hivescum-class

[alpine hazel]

needle spam pickpocket is really good, just did a 3x clutch maelstrom.

had a good havoc pug yesterday where someone dropped a mil on this build while I was the psyker, I did 800k. Seems really good just have to play safe against ranged.

also does it trigger vulture's dodge

[rotund agate]

I'd assume there is at the very least a point after which the increase becomes smaller and smaller due to animation speed cap, but I'm not sure about there being a max percentage for reload speed (or any stat).

[loud herald]

holy shit

[zealous ravine]

even borderlands 40k would still have awful netcode lmao

[loud herald]

he said this earlier lol

[celest cypress]

Why is he so mad?

[loud herald]

it's a bit lol

[celest cypress]

okay than

[keen timber]

do u know who randy pitchford is?

[livid raven]

the devil himself

[compact oyster]

randy pitchford is the CEO of gearbox and borderlands

[sturdy linden]

Why

[livid raven]

you could say he was

[haughty slate]

I think I might have actually found a decent no stim crate build

[livid raven]

desperate

[haughty slate]

wish me luck

[near vapor]

oh hell naawwwh

[rare stirrup]

Somehow I know which blitz he's using

[novel oracle]

ranged build gaming

[radiant swift]

taxe fucks pretty hard

[sleek grove]

i don't know. I really, really REALLY don't know.

[woeful hill]

might take mele dmage for mutahnt 1 tap

[rigid grotto]

quick question i found no answer yet

"what are if there are the breakpoints for the needel gun with no talents involved?

[calm aurora]

I was afraid to be different by topmaxxing. I feel validated.

[compact oyster]

ngl i dont think there are any breakpoints for needle pistol

[novel oracle]

its exactly what my ranged scum build does

[compact oyster]

kinda just shoot and watch the enemy slowly die

[novel oracle]

like thats what it looks like now

[calm aurora]

Validation feels nice

Hyper critical / violence works on range too?

[neon fern]

no

[manic wolf]

Topmaxing as you deservedly refer to it is sort of the norm in a lot of cases now due to new tree arangement

[radiant swift]

hyper crit ought to imo it is in the ranged tree

[calm aurora]

Depends on the class

[neon fern]

we don't need that

[manic wolf]

Its weird to have to spend this much points int top half of tree tho compared to every other class

[livid raven]

no

[neon fern]

let's not get hyper crit on ranged

it's already absurd on melee

[radiant swift]

location is silly rn

[manic wolf]

I would rather have HC on ranged than HV

[novel oracle]

no they are melee only
i take hyper crit cuz its near forced in pathing but its whatever cuz its much less investment in melee to get use out of than hyper violence

[manic wolf]

That would be giga-more broken

[keen timber]

imagine hyperviolence with a revolver

[radiant swift]

the two random melee nodes right before the ranged keystone is just wierd as fuck,

[keen timber]

shoot a few poxwalkers then oneshot god

[compact oyster]

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[manic wolf]

Nah fuck that, imagine it on Double Barrel... Shoot one Manstopper proc into a crowd and the Crushers on the other side of the room evaporate

[compact oyster]

hyper crit on stubs wouldve been so funny

[signal nebula]

Layout needs work. Hoping for a tree update early Q1.

[compact oyster]

it isnt that busted considering its man sized enemies

[signal nebula]

Never know with FS tho

[neon fern]

way too much shit is man sized

[calm aurora]

My question was stupid but i don't remember the tooltips being clear on that

[neon fern]

like mutants for example

[manic wolf]

They did just change the layout though, I doubt its gonna change all that much

[neon fern]

the famous man sized enemies

[radiant swift]

mutants are just wide

[signal nebula]

Guess we'll see

[trim wind]

the idea feels like "well here's some melee safety if you can't shoot" but in practice you're basically always shooting

[manic wolf]

Even on a ranged build, I would still be taking HV over HC every day of the week

[neon fern]

i think they did it cuz of finesse themeing going on on left side

[trim wind]

i dont take either one, at least in auric

maybe i'll feel different if i ever get around to havoc again

[acoustic quail]

what are the nodes for the new nuke rocket build?

[neon fern]

they expect u to have shivs or a finesse weapon on left path

[trim wind]

just take boom bringer

[neon fern]

which is silly because shivs are for rampage

[obsidian crown]

I see a single poxwalker. I’m taking out the boomstick for it

[acoustic quail]

no i mean there was a node that did not worked on the bb
now it does

[obsidian crown]

Don’t @ me

[acoustic quail]

which was it

[trim wind]

shivs are the best melee out of the box of the scum weapons, the other two need to be built around to work

[neon fern]

year

[keen timber]

Ok so with desperado setups, what're the stim setups to go with it? Atm my stim is just full cooldown and nothing else

[naive imp]

last i checked the "refund 1 rocket when you kill a specialist" boon in Mortis worked with elites too, so you can have almost infinite rockets

[manic wolf]

Chat, I got the thing

[neon fern]

but they can go even further beyond

even fully built the other options don't compare to shivs

[near vapor]

attack speed or strength

[compact oyster]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[neon fern]

they still p good

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ssj3-ssj3-ssj4-daima-dragon-ball-daima-gif-6467791187769114682

[neon fern]

and this....is

to go

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14009600512155580183/275CF5C36E6140D41560DE385EE864336069B3D4/

[sturdy linden]

Shivs are more than fine without it too

[neon fern]

yea

[young herald]

Shivs are good, but they're no heavy sword

Or even chain axe

[keen timber]

chain axe? really?

[neon fern]

i doubt chain axe compares to shiv no offense

[trim wind]

mmm as a default i just need to take care of this dude i have no melee talents i think shiv is gonna serve better

[rare stirrup]

Chain axe is very different to shivs in terms of role

[keen timber]

Oh right, I saw a hvs running a triple barrel shotgun, how is the shotgun setup on scum?

[young herald]

Chaxe is goated on scum, though yeah def very different from shivs in terms of what you're doing with it

[neon fern]

it's p good, but atp i think any ranged option would be good with desperado

it's just that good

[atomic quiver]

how are u killing carapace with small shivs

[young herald]

Tap em in the head

[neon fern]

uncanny

[keen timber]

uncanny

[neon fern]

and rampage

[young herald]

Or use the special to poison them

[keen timber]

me when 40% rending

[neon fern]

don't forget ur riposte

[modest patio]

anyone have a rampaage build I can copy?

[neon fern]

for a free 20% crit chance

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle

[keen timber]

did someone say ribcage spelunker?

[ripe seal]

grind grind grind kill kill kill

[keen timber]

@novel oracle so what does ur desperado setup look like? because I've got this rn, and I'm not sure if giving anything else up is worth it for more top nodes really

[novel oracle]

i dont take the chem nodes
i dont take the ranged dodge and take hyper crit instead

[rare stirrup]

I think most of the nodes in top chem are wasted

[novel oracle]

actually lemme just fix my build on GL

[keen timber]

hmm

actually to be fair

my stim is just 45 sec cd

i could probably give sample collector up

I will miss pocket toxin though, that feels neat

[ripe seal]

boosted stim cooldown is always graet but its kinda a big investment, very easy skip

[keen timber]

yeah

it helps it's near extra blitz + pocket toxin

whjich are both also good

so it's not so much investment for a single node

[winter galleon]

if dont take stim cooldown feel like gotta run just cdr stim and no damage to have good desperado uptime which feels a bit bad

[keen timber]

I feel like calling for a time out is not worth it

[winter galleon]

its 25% toughness dr with very high uptime

[keen timber]

when using your ranged weapon though, generally probably shouldnt be getting hit too much with them out

if you are, you should probably be putting them away

it's good DR, with good uptime, during points you shouldn't be getting hit, that's the issue

[hasty agate]

What is the consensus on Slippery Customer?

[winter galleon]

run out of ammo and desperado while fighting gunners and you lose vultures dodge during reload

[keen timber]

time to start sliding

[winter galleon]

true it is slidetide, what was i thinking

[keen timber]

also paying attention to ur shit will stop that happening

running out of ammo whilst fighting gunners whilst using pickpocket ???

that's such an unrealistic scenario like

[ripe seal]

you do have to only do 50% with your stim without sample collector to make it feel reasonable, but I feel like everything besides toughness is still a good option, the other benefits of desperado is super good but pickpocket does make that a lower priority

[haughty slate]

I'm putting bigger radius for stim crate on my Christmas wish list

[keen timber]

fast acting stims.

[novel oracle]

very good

[ripe seal]

I normally go reload speed for max amount of general output but after seeing how nicely the stub pistols do against carapace on crit, i'm debating either extra rending or crit ch ance on my stim there

[keen timber]

cole what's ur take on calling for a time out

[haughty slate]

I still want a bigger radius. Feels bad having to take it every time.

[hasty agate]

I just don’t find myself sliding in melee combat at all.

[winter galleon]

dodge slide very good

[haughty slate]

It even reduces the cooldown of the ability by making the crate expire faster. The ability feels like buttcheeks without it.

[keen timber]

you'd probably still want to take it. it's just too good. 5 seconds less on the duration potentially, for infinite radius.

[haughty slate]

I do. I take it every time.

[young herald]

https://tenor.com/view/quote-gif-7739296

[haughty slate]

The ability should still be better by default.

[ripe seal]

i've never ran the dodge slide but I really only use it for running up on ranged guys, I know it's nice but just not for me

[keen timber]

with 80 mobi do dual autos get 3 dodges

[keen timber]

this gif is actual eye torture

[woeful hill]

no weapons get extra dodges past 51%

[haughty slate]

yeah

[haughty slate]

lets get that out of here

[vale remnant]

I really like rampage

just dislike the downside of using it

[haughty slate]

for us eyeball havers

[keen timber]

ok my autopistols have 49 mobi

[ripe seal]

there's situations where you'd be ok with having the case stay around for the full 20 seconds but overall the 5 second with the linger is just generally better

[keen timber]

that's why I have 2 dodges

[woeful hill]

yes

[keen timber]

yeah that's why i asked if they got 3 eventually

i can skip the extra ranged dodge then and take hypercrit

[haughty slate]

I think once you hit around 60 you get 3

on every weapon

[woeful hill]

.

[haughty slate]

thats it

[ripe seal]

i can't think of the last time I used a weapon with less than 3 dodges that wasn't unpgraded

[keen timber]

that's the case with my daps

[novel oracle]

its useful in situations where you need to reposition or kite
you need to leave melee combat to move somewhere else, potentially avoiding gunfire as well
or carrying an objective from a to b

[woeful hill]

braced auto

has 2

[keen timber]

[ripe seal]

I felt that recently with my braced autogun which wasn't really upgraded and I can't think of the last time before then

[compact oyster]

it isnt that bad

the debuff is only for like 5 seconds

you just gotta play a bit more careful during the downtime

[ripe seal]

you do get to get alot done during that time, and I haven't tried rampage since I slotted inthe shout at the start and end but I'm hoping that helps out

i've just been too stuck on stim builds now that the case and keystone work together

[keen timber]

rampage gives crazy good boosts

u become an actual blender whilst it's up

[vale remnant]

It does, my setup has been amazing for light attack spam to melt mixed hordes

it's also insanely good at killing bulwarks in like two hits with heavies

[trim wind]

I don't really play rampage, but fem anarchists line for it is maybe the best skill voice line in the game

[vale remnant]

It also is no slouch with boss damage either

Kinda nukes em all if you just have the space to chain heavies to the head or ws

[ripe seal]

one of fem anarchist's ult lines for rampage with her little squeel is one of my favorite ult lines in the entire game

yeah, against bosses you get to farm rampage forever and just go to town

[unborn egret]

People I need help figuring something out. Do I stack Hyper-Crit and Hyper-Violence or do I pick whichever suits the melee weap I'm using?

[radiant swift]

yes

[placid prairie]

Silly question, but what’s the consensus on stamina curios with the swing speed talent

[radiant swift]

they have a bit of anti synergy, but honestly your fastest horde clear times are probably gonna be with both, but really pick what ever suits your weapon and if ou have extra maybe get both

[manic wolf]

Imo Hyperviolence is pretty much always better outside of maybe Knife and Shiv, and even then im not sure

[keen timber]

if ur focusing melee imo hyperviolence wins every time

[placid prairie]

Do we go 2 3 stamina curios or the full 3

[manic wolf]

Take it on my ranged setups too, Hyperviolence is just too good to pass up in moments you need a bunch of stuff dead quickly

[keen timber]

i run hypercrit on ranged

decent strength without too much investment

[rustic axle]

chat, devils claw sword, dump mobility or cleave targets

[keen timber]

also it's on the path and ur kinda forced into it

[young herald]

i run 2x toughness and 1x stamina curios

[manic wolf]

Mobility

[radiant swift]

mobility, it still uses it's cleave values not an "ignore hitmass" blessing afaik

ie like the heavy sword

which does dump cleave targets iirc

[manic wolf]

It gets Wrath, but you still want Cleave on base stats

[rustic axle]

oh and when i upgraded it to transcendent and guess what

Thunderstrike and Wrath

lol

[unborn egret]

Thank you very much!

[radiant swift]

that's what I mean, it has to use a stat cleave, not the full "ignore hit mass" ones that some weapons get

[manic wolf]

I still dump everything with mobility just out of habit tbh, if it needs cleave or not

[rustic axle]

i think the only godroll melee im missing is the tactical axe now

Shivs; Crowbar; Bonesaw; Knife; Heavy/Devil's Sword and Combat Axe i got lol

[radiant swift]

me with my mobi dumped needle pistol (there is a 2 damage difference between 60% and 80% damage)

[rustic axle]

oh theres also the assault chainaxe ig

[manic wolf]

It really doesnt matter what you dump on that provided it isnt ammo

[rustic axle]

and chainsword

[manic wolf]

Chainsword is good on Scummer

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-sigma-bale-gif-27128046

[radiant swift]

my warframe sleeper agent no

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23725523

[noble crypt]

Hey can someone confirm if the Nimble talent actually is bugged? seen people say it is bugged and people saying it isn't

[winter galleon]

cole what stim you use with build?

desperado build*

[novel oracle]

it isnt, people are confusing how it interacts with the dodge system for it being bugged

[novel oracle]

raw cd stim

[rustic axle]

im not cole and i admit this is from reginald but

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[charred bronze]

No brittleness?

[novel oracle]

that also works i just cant be fucked with the long cooldown

i already get 15% rending from desperado

[rustic axle]

i save the stim for huge crowds, sticky situations, groups of unyielding/carapace and monstrosities

[novel oracle]

lemme type out what its actually doing

[rustic axle]

other than that, desperado basically does the rest

[rustic axle]

combined with jittery yes

[winter galleon]

just the flat 25% end node or the 75% on range kill?

[obsidian crown]

What do you think

Ranged class that kills everything it looks at

What do you think benefits it more

[rustic axle]

TO BE FAIR, and i cant do it rn because im still levelling my hive scum, its meant to by paired with chem dependency so that can reduce the cooldown of the stim and in turn your desperado

until then im using vulture since its just on that side

[novel oracle]

its not bugged because what its doing is making your dodge faster, which results in it ending sooner
what people think is bugged about this is that its reducing your dodge duration, but theyre only checking this with ranged
what the talent also does is massively increases your dodge linger, which is a melee only thing, so despite the dodge ending sooner, you are in a dodge state way longer
this dodge linger doesnt apply to ranged due to how dodges have worked since the game was released

so the talent makes normal dodges slightly worse for ranged but significantly better for melee

and thats just due to the nature of how dodges work

[keen timber]

if only hive scum could become immune to ranged attacks, hmmm

[compact oyster]

Julia said shed look into it nana boo boo

[trim wind]

That would be too op

[noble crypt]

Ah that is interesting, thanks for the replies

[novel oracle]

yeah and taking a look into it doesnt mean "its bugged and itll be fixed"

[pallid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[novel oracle]

it means "interesting, ill see if its bugged"

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-smiling-friends-vanish-smiling-friends-sand-dust-smiling-friends-old-man-smiling-friends-funny-gif-3985486506214228246

[radiant cosmos]

Infantry Autogun vs Uzis? On paper it seems to have a slightly faster reload and better accuracy at the cost of mobility and dps

[main wagon]

Julia said she’d look into my dad coming back with the milk too

[novel oracle]

if you want a more in depth version, kuli basically directly debunked it with the actual code
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hive-scums-nimble-talent-reduces-dodge-time/115867

[manic wolf]

Trick question. Shredder AP

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-there-youll-be-okay-gif-4184945

[radiant cosmos]

Shredder Autopistol does better than both?

[manic wolf]

Idk about Vraks, I've not used it on Desp, but in my experience the Shredder does better than the DAP's, and unlike an IAG, you dont really have to aim it, you just point it in the general direction of what you want to die and well, it tends to just fall over

It also, like the DAP's, has built in run'n'gun

With a faster reload

[keen timber]

daps goated

[main wagon]

I take any Fatshark “acknowledgement” as

“Neat!”

[tossed into massive to-do pile alongside “try to make sure candle cosmetics don’t glow at your feet again next update]

[sturdy linden]

I tried Shredder and didn't enjoy it

[main wagon]

To be fair a lot of things are non-game breaking. It’s just a lot of cosmetic bugs mostly

[sturdy linden]

it's like.. 70% of the uzis' damage

[radiant cosmos]

I don't see the point in using Shredder, DAP or IAG outside of despacito builds tbh

[sturdy linden]

for the same mag size

and marginally better reload

[manic wolf]

From my testings its more damage

[keen timber]

i mean that's kind of the point of them

[rare stirrup]

There isn't one

[sturdy linden]

talking per shot, you can inspect and check both. Didn't see a noticeable improvement in ttks either, in fact I saw the opposite

[rare stirrup]

Which still makes them the best scum ranged

[sturdy linden]

idk I guess you can use it because it's not bad or anything, and per that guy who was using it in h40 he said that the Vulture uptime is significantly better because Cavalcade

[sturdy linden]

Vraks IAG is a solid, dependable firearm whether you're going despacito or not, tbf, though I personally love the fentgun

[dim moth]

we need cavalcade on more guns

[trim wind]

Dual autos definitely outdmg shredder

[sturdy linden]

give scum Ripper gun. Let me magdump into a horde and propel myself backward across the map

[trim wind]

Shredder just has a bit better long range acc and more stagger if you brace

[rare stirrup]

I mean yeah, it's fine, but like you said, why use it when there's needle?

[manic wolf]

I'm getting more damage out the Shredder regardless of the listed per shot, though I also have better blessings on it, because I dont need to shell out a slot for Speedloader, so in practice, its better. You're not pissing near as much into the wind either like what tends to happen with DAP's, the Shredder isnt accurate, but its more accurate than those, by a good margin. Like proper sleeper pick

[novel oracle]

i dont think there would be much of a difference between live game and psyk testing for raw damage here but i found that the dual autos kill literally everything faster save for dreg ragers and maniac specialists

[manic wolf]

This also plays a much bigger part on Shredder, as its a stagger machine

[sturdy linden]

dunno, I tried it with Blaze/Pinning personally. I didn't see a net positive on damage anywhere. Like I said, not a bad gun but not something I'd wanna pick over DAP. IAG at least has a strong case to be made because crit strings + better ADMs

[trim wind]

I did both with same blessings just doing basic ttk on elites in psyk and duals won easy

[sturdy linden]

stagger is nice I guess. I think I'd appreciate the gun more if I went chem dep instead of vulture's perhaps

[novel oracle]

every day im so disappointed that chem dep isnt the "my playstyle IS stims" keystone

[sturdy linden]

Vulture's is just too comfy

[sturdy linden]

wdym

[novel oracle]

its ability cdr instead of stim cdr

[sturdy linden]

ah that way

[bronze glade]

Shredder is a good sidearm

[novel oracle]

like it makes more sense

[sturdy linden]

Sample Collector is pretty good though

[limber cradle]

Tbh reload speed secondary blessings feel way better for desp ime

[sand tendon]

there's honestly not a lot of talents on the tree that interact with using a stim

outside of keystone/ult

[sturdy linden]

yeah for DAPs I take Speedload. Was talking about SAP here

[novel oracle]

theres 3 normal talents that actually affect the stim in both effect and uptime
and only 1 in keystone

[compact oyster]

Chem dependency is intentionally gimping your stim for a shorter cooldown or taking the talent that reduces stim cooldown

[placid prairie]

I personally really enjoy adrenaline rush, very easy to proc

[limber cradle]

My b, missed that

[sturdy linden]

is Blessed Stimms any good btw, in Havoc

[novel oracle]

theres +5s duration which can be a detriment
theres up to a wound in corruption healed from kills while active
theres 1-2% restored from kills
and then theres 50% toughness on stim use from chem dep

[sand tendon]

yeah but like... you could do more no? like effects while cartel special are on cd or something

[sturdy linden]

since I cba to waste an hour finding a party in Havoc

[novel oracle]

i think it is tbh

[limber cradle]

I really like Vultures entirely for the movement speed stacking

[novel oracle]

depending on the team setup i like to take it sometimes

[placid prairie]

Idk if I’d trust myself to take scum into havoc tbh

[sturdy linden]

[novel oracle]

if its blight i always do even with a crate or bop zealot

[manic wolf]

The only thing on my setup im getting meaningfully faster TTK's on is Maulers with DAP, an thats a decent bit different, but everything else, its either the same, or as you say, in the case of maniac worse

[limber cradle]

Tbh I like it in havoc but I also played vet in havoc and I prefer scums movement survival to IW based survival

[novel oracle]

cuz one is strong anti corruption but has downtime and the other doesnt outpace it if you need to get goopy
plus if either dies, thats gone till theyre back up

[sturdy linden]

I'd do it on despacito scum, probably not on melee scum yet. The Havoc experience just sucks unfortunately.

[novel oracle]

so having a pocket stim as a method of removing it is always nice

[manic wolf]

I might enjoy DAPs a bit more if I didnt feel like you needed to be sniffing ass to make them consistent and if they didnt make your screen vibrate like your Scummer was sitting on a hitachi on full blast

[limber cradle]

Havoc queues are awful rn ime

Idk if it's the returning players or what

[novel oracle]

attack speed buffs ruin it

[sturdy linden]

when are they not awful

[novel oracle]

its miserable

[rare stirrup]

Were they ever good?

[limber cradle]

I've never seen so many extra wound runners tbh

[novel oracle]

but you can get some decent range on them

[compact oyster]

Or both the zealot and scum get overheaded instantly

[novel oracle]

this might be cuz of bursters and hitboxes ngl

[limber cradle]

Yeah if you tap DAPs they feel good ime

[sturdy linden]

classic , create a really engaging game mode, gatekeep it behind dogshit party finder, make sure to add in at least two utterly garbage tedious modifiers every rotation

[limber cradle]

I think i prefer DAPs to IAG

[manic wolf]

That costs a blessing slot to get real accuracy out of them, which is just eh, at that point its losing its advantage

[limber cradle]

IAG just means I don't have to run sticky hands

[compact oyster]

I prefer stub pistols

[novel oracle]

what costs a blessing slot

run n gun?

i dont use that

its baked in to the gun

[manic wolf]

I mean, yes thats the real answer, Stubs are the most fun to play

[limber cradle]

That might be it tbh

[novel oracle]

you could double stack it but i dont think thats worth it

i run blaze away speedload

[placid prairie]

Fair lol. Maybe once I’ve gotten a lot more comfortable with scum I’lm take it into havoc

[manic wolf]

Whatever the one with spread reduction is. Unless you're playing on giga-high FoV on that clip, I aint getting nowhere near that level of accuracy out of them

[compact oyster]

Oh autopistols are really fun to run too for sprint shoot playstyle

But stub pistols are more methodical

[placid prairie]

I do ok with scum but once I can reliably do missions without going down once is when I’ll consider it

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

[novel oracle]

i take the talent for these, sticky hands

[radiant swift]

do you have a "more accurate" reticle here?

like more accurate to what the gun actually shoots like

[novel oracle]

no

[placid prairie]

Wtf why is american psycho doing that

[novel oracle]

thats the default crosshair

im just tapping the trigger which is why it hasnt spread

[rough bison]

its the sequel after he goes to therapy and becomes a good guy

[radiant swift]

huh, I remember it being a much worse crosshair

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. I have that talent specced for the Shredder, im testing it on the same build I was using

[placid prairie]

I find melee scum much more interesting, desperado is simultaneously fun and boring for me lol

[radiant swift]

I may be tupid

[limber cradle]

I really do not like the new sticky hands position ngl

[novel oracle]

shredder is more accurate but i dont fell like that extra accuracy is needed

sometimes accuracy by volume is what you want lol

[trim wind]

With near infinite ammo it does not matter much

And generally you're near stuff for your desperado extensions

[placid prairie]

I see, thank you
(Jokes aside there is an actual sequel but it actually has nothing to do with american psycho, the connection is like super forced lmao. You can tell it’s one of those movies where it was meant to be its own thing, and is 100% the product of studio interference)

[peak bloom]

what customization options are limited by your gang affiliation?

[radiant cosmos]

I'm currently rolling at lower diffs due to the issue with hitboxes and I found that with Despacito I'm always fighting my team for kills

[tulip magnet]

tattoos

[placid prairie]

Yeah, it’s a weird spot. Why the hell would it be on the melee tree

[limber cradle]

Changes your starter pants too iirc

[novel oracle]

i think its whatever

[limber cradle]

Cause someone had no idea where else to put it

[compact oyster]

Equilibrium is a movie about a goverment killing tool gaining independant thought and finding out theyre actualy evil

[tulip magnet]

Yeah, ig it's also your "crime" for rejects

[novel oracle]

its always within reach of ranged builds, and melee builds arent fucked over between two talents they dont want

[placid prairie]

Prolly lol

[limber cradle]

Tree just feels really top heavy for ranged builds to me now

[placid prairie]

I will have to watch it lol

[trim wind]

It changed basically nothing for me

[novel oracle]

i mean it already was

there was only 2 melee exclusive talents there

and 3 that were applicable to melee

[manic wolf]

Ehh, idk, accuracy by volume is what both do, but there is accuracy by volume an then theres feeling like you're hitting air with half the shots. I dunno man, I get more milage out the Shredder so ima stick with that

[limber cradle]

Ig thats fair

[sturdy linden]

it is pretty brain off I agree

[radiant swift]

melee scum is like crack ngl

[sturdy linden]

Desperado is just killfeed dopamine

[radiant swift]

tox melee scum specifically

[sturdy linden]

but I feel kinda bad for my teammates

[tulip magnet]

Desperado is more fun for me with stubbers

[keen timber]

it's so clean

[radiant swift]

must keep the rampage going longer

[tulip magnet]

more satisfying

[rough bison]

i wish there was an equilibrium 2

[compact oyster]

Im gonna be honest

[sturdy linden]

because there's no fun in watching 1 guy blaze past you mowing down every threat every encounter

[novel oracle]

yeah i dont think the differences are enough to say one is good and one is bad
they both are perfect fits for the build but i just think one outperforms the other

[compact oyster]

Hive scum doesnt really have any outstanding melee variation

[keen timber]

Me injecting dopamine stims irl

[round jay]

jesus DOT

[compact oyster]

(Yes this is me being annoyed about no chain glaive)

[radiant swift]

i'm getting a hold of the non-specific weapons

and it's like taking off training weights compared to the saw and crowbar (not the shivs though)

[keen timber]

i mean the crowbar is not really a traditional melee weap

[tulip magnet]

the saw is so good tho

[keen timber]

it's kind of a gimmick weap

[manic wolf]

Saw feels awful to use imo, its undoubtebly good, but man I do not like it

[sturdy linden]

tox + support scum is an interesting playstyle at least. I will agree that Rampage builds are not super interesting but they do make whatever melee you like work

[limber cradle]

I completely agree tbh

I hate how the melees feel like they bite

[placid prairie]

I get that with rampage and shivs, assuming I’m allowed to actually keep rampage up

[tulip magnet]

did you max out cleave?

[radiant swift]

do yourself a favor and get a tac axe (and keep swinging)

you'll get arthritis if you don't have keep swinging

[compact oyster]

Any class that doesnt have a 2 handed melee is just inherently less interresting to me

[sturdy linden]

I do not want to put Rashad and taxe on yet another class, even though it's good

[limber cradle]

I hate that I have to cleave max to not get stuck on a poxxie

[placid prairie]

I’m not sure I follow

[sturdy linden]

it's a feels thing, Saw's user feedback is very janky for some folks

[radiant swift]

the dual wield kinda makes up for it for me

[sturdy linden]

• it has shit base cleave

[clever wren]

Getting stuck like chainaxe lights used to

[limber cradle]

Saw lights feel akin to chainsword revs for me, like they bite into the enemy for a split second

[limber cradle]

This

[placid prairie]

Oh yeah that’s true

[tulip magnet]

I like saw, it has good mouthfeel

[placid prairie]

Yeah I don’t like saw either, you def gotta build into

[sturdy linden]

I really like it

[placid prairie]

I prefer nice horizontal cleave

[sturdy linden]

it actually has a super interesting moveset

[placid prairie]

I can use it fine, I can switch coatings as needed

[sturdy linden]

so making it work is itself rewarding

[placid prairie]

But I guess if I’m gonna use a two hander I like crowbar

[clever wren]

I love the saw
||by that I mean Eviscerator, I don't like scummer saw either||

[radiant swift]

the crowbar feels like it needs way way more damage on some attacks

[compact oyster]

Imagine hive scum rocksaw

[limber cradle]

Shivs are easily the melee winner for scum ime, they feel good and they just work.

[clever wren]

Or swing at half life 1 speed

[radiant swift]

imagine a rocksaw

[keen timber]

I've never been big on melee builds before tbh, but this is such a satisfying feeling. Just mowing things down

[compact oyster]

The attack speed stim is absurd

Pair that with rampage and you have an actual blur

No skipped attacks either

[radiant swift]

I was doing that before swaping into running cdr stim

[zealous ravine]

man i hope they nerf the shredder autopistol not that its strong it just would be hilarious

[radiant swift]

I can just about click that fast with the shivs

[keen timber]

then i hope they buff daps jsut to really fuck with people

man pocket flashbangs with pocket toxin is so fun too ngl

[clever wren]

Sad that "GW said hive scum can't use it because it's a Genestealer Cult weapon despite being a very common Imperial mining tool that fucking anyone would have access to" is completely believable

[compact oyster]

Bro what

In rogue trader we can use rocksaws and even a drill

[full sleet]

whats the best infantry autogun mark for a allrounder desperado build?

[clever wren]

GW is tyrannical and inconsistent enough that I would still believe it

[tranquil fjord]

vraks

[random shuttle]

The event pubs can be so hilarious 😄

[keen timber]

yeah and the enemies that use them? genestealer cultists.

[clever wren]

Vraks (the fast one, formerly known as Columnus) is the only Infantry Autogun worth a damn

[tranquil fjord]

it performs the most dps and reloading wont be an issue for its easily spent magazine

[random shuttle]

The guys all died like 2 times before first altar in first 2 minutes of match, then ofc they summon altar and wipe immidieatly XD

[keen timber]

This is so funny to me. Squishy class > get netted > take zero damage

[compact oyster]

Guess which symbol is shown in no mans land

[tranquil fjord]

on this class i recommend speedloader/fire frenzy/deathspitter, dum dum with flak, unyielding/maniac/carapace

[radiant swift]

I mean the alternative happened to me earlier where I just about instantly died after getting netted

[keen timber]

not sure

do u mean in RT or this?

[compact oyster]

Oh man

I gotta show you this

[obsidian crown]

Try the rocket

It’s funny as hell

[exotic lynx]

stupid ass class
couldn't drop the chem box for some reason
i thought it was fixed in the patch. Guess not

[obsidian crown]

Deletes a pack of 15 crushers if you time it right with 1 rocket

[keen timber]

rocket seems cool, does a big aoe and gets big screenshot clips

yeah

[exotic lynx]

Stimm Supply

[keen timber]

nurgle cultist stuff in a nurgle cult uprising???

[compact oyster]

The moebians have intel on a genestealer cult

[keen timber]

wait

[compact oyster]

Look closer

[keen timber]

no that's a nid symbol

[limber cradle]

Getting close

[manic wolf]

Thats fair, for me its the need to hold onto block for longer than normal for the push attack to go through, that messes with muscle memory really badly. Its also a very high commitment weapon, which I generally avoid

[keen timber]

it's a symbol detailing the many armed emperor?

[limber cradle]

Bingo

[keen timber]

I know what a genestealer cult symbol looks like

[limber cradle]

I also have commitment issues

[compact oyster]

Fatshark is 100% teasing a genestealer cult as the new faction

[keen timber]

That would be cool tbh

[cedar cairn]

"Admonition accidentally destroys a gene-stealer cult"

[compact oyster]

Why else put a cult symbol on intel we steal

[keen timber]

I do like that we have a lot of variety in enemies, but vermintide had northlanders, scaven AND beastmen

we can at least get a little extra

[pallid quail]

i want orcs

[compact oyster]

Norsca skaven and beastmen

[pallid quail]

so i can smash em

[keen timber]

Orcs would be cool, but I think nids cooler rn

[pallid quail]

imagine an orc power claw on ogryn tho

[keen timber]

how tall are grechin actually

[compact oyster]

Really small

[clever wren]

Beastman AIDS took years to add and was kind of a half baked faction. Haven't played in years, dont know if they added anything more

[compact oyster]

Like a squat i think

[exotic lynx]

how do i tell if my stimm is ready

[manic wolf]

Lmao, it do be like that

[keen timber]

press the button

[trim wind]

Mod if you're on pc

[keen timber]

there's a cooldown bar on the icon for your stim but it's pretty hard to see

[clever wren]

Squint at it really hard (or press the button and see if it works) or get a mod

[limber cradle]

Me mashing 4 cause the cooldown looks like it's down or will be done in 4 seconds

[exotic lynx]

i thought that it would be greyed out if it's not ready and white if it is ready but that doesn't seem to be the case. It's just grey all the time? I googled it and the only answer is just "use a mod". I am not using a mod

[trim wind]

Otherwise the cd indicator is absolute dog

[exotic lynx]

what do you mean squint at it really hard

does the color change?

[keen timber]

playing darktide and not using mods?

I cant actually imagine that ngl

there's way too much qol

[clever wren]

I've been told it does, can't confirm it myself

[trim wind]

There's a bar that fills but it's so faint it may as well not exist

[keen timber]

it does

but it's fucking hard to see

yeah

literally just get the mod

[dense hollow]

idk why they made the bar like that

[exotic lynx]

yes yes yes i know i used to use mods and then i just got tired of opening notepad every time and renabling it every update so i just gave up.

[limber cradle]

I play vanilla atp tbh

[dense hollow]

it doesn't seem like it'd take too much effort to just make it really dark when it's recharging and bright when it's up

[keen timber]

i like healthbars too much. watching healthbars go down is too much dopamine for me to give up unfortunately

[dense hollow]

but that'd be unnoticeable too

[clever wren]

Fatshark takes the Japanese hatred of good interface design and marries it with Swedish minimalism

[exotic lynx]

tbh it's easier mentally counting down 55 seconds in my head every time I stim, as opposed to enabling mods every single time

[keen timber]

nono your jrpg needs 4 button clicks between each party members inventory

[trim wind]

Counterpoint: mod show me in seconds and tells me when it's ready

[exotic lynx]

jesus

fatshark epic fail

[limber cradle]

Couldn't tbh, I'm a minimalistic hud person

[keen timber]

me when i have to open my mods folder and click one file every few... weeks? each month? idk

[limber cradle]

Like muh immersion

[manic wolf]

Is Weapon Customization dead?

[exotic lynx]

me when i

dont want to go through all that

[limber cradle]

Believe so, could be wrong

[keen timber]

this is like crack-cocaine for me

[limber cradle]

Heard it stopped getting g optimized

[manic wolf]

Big sadge, set to hidden on Nexus

[keen timber]

that's a shame actually. the ability to have a lasgun sight on my autoguns was really big

[limber cradle]

Visual clutter to me, reminds me of borderlands

[keen timber]

it is visual clutter, but watching the bars go down makes my happy go up

I'm unfortunately a numbers addict

[limber cradle]

God, the numbers too

Yeah

Lmfao

[clever wren]

In the grim dark future there are only dogshit irons (which is absolutely not true but a few redditors will continue to insist)

[keen timber]

NYOOO YOUR BOLTER CANT HAVE A SCOPE NYOOOOOOO

[limber cradle]

I do wish more guns had bolter irons tbh

Bolter irons are nice and clean

[trim wind]

I only use a few mods, pretty easy to maintain

[sturdy linden]

wouldn't a genestealer cult completely outclass the warband and mandate an exterminatus of the planet, given the fucked condition it's already in

[keen timber]

i hate the way the bolter moves when you shoot it though

[manic wolf]

I just used the mod to make some melee weapons look better :/

[keen timber]

it's like the worst way to do recoil possible

[limber cradle]

Tbh I really wish the IAG had like, AK irons

[compact oyster]

No.

[clever wren]

"REJECTS CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!" he said while clutching his Force Sword

[keen timber]

rejects would defo get force swords, bolt pistols PLASMA GUNS

[sturdy linden]

I thought genestealer big daddies (idr their name) are like super tyrannids

[keen timber]

and not just lasguns and devil swords

for sure

[clever wren]

Yeah, it's too bad they used Dark Age techno-wizardry to link the iron sights to the fire selector switch

[sturdy linden]

and considering even gaunts can slaughter humans I thought only space marines can mess with genestealers

[random shuttle]

Patriarchs are high level tyranids but hardly super

[compact oyster]

A genestealer cult is only a problem when one person evolves into a patriarch

[manic wolf]

Wait till they put in Volkite weapons

[random shuttle]

lots of bigger and nastier beasties out there

[limber cradle]

Don't get me started on that bit

[compact oyster]

Because the patriarch can contact a hive tendril to come to the planet

[keen timber]

the guard can 100% do it

[main wagon]

Damn Sheen’s VA just died

[keen timber]

They'll likely lose a LOT of fucking people in the process, but that's how the guard works

[sturdy linden]

ah.. so maybe the Admonition is trying to turn Rinda into a genestealer Patriarch?

idk if gender applies

since it's space bugs

[keen timber]

problem arises
throw bodies at it
problem goes away

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/sheen-brain-sheen-giant-brain-sheen-jimmy-neutron-jimmy-neutron-sheen-brain-bolt-gif-15761962392470487726

[compact oyster]

Noooo

Rinda is currently the herald of admonition

And its aluded to that shes been changed

[brave beacon]

no idea if some youtuber has already set this up but what do yall think?

[compact oyster]

Also not even chaos wants to fuck with tyranids

[clever wren]

Chaos and Tyranids don't typically mix, but when they do, just eat a bolt round because you are already worse than dead
(the only time I've read about it happening was in the short story A Sanctuary of Wyrms and even that is unclear how much Chaos was actually involved)

[exotic lynx]

what's the optimal stat spread/blessings for the shredder autopistol? I dont like using the uzis

[sturdy linden]

I see

[rain ravine]

Does Gunslinger improved increase the amount of ammo you pick up yourself by 10% as well?

[compact oyster]

Because for some godforsaken reason the tyranids have evolved to consume chaos corrupted biomass without issue

[manic wolf]

Pinning Fire/Blaze Away

Ditch Mobility, same as near on everything else

Flak/Unyeilding for perks

[keen timber]

That feels like such bullshit ngl

[brave beacon]

not that i have seen

[exotic lynx]

🙂‍↕️ this just sounds like shredder autopistol on every class

[clever wren]

You know that just made me realize - In Space Marine 2, how is Chaos doing stuff during an ongoing Tyranid invasion, doesn't the Hivemind suppress Chaos by jamming every Warp frequency with hunger noises?

[fallow swan]

Whats nurgles rot to a non believer

[rain ravine]

has that bug been reported yet?

[compact oyster]

Fun fact

[keen timber]

I've seen me get +90 +9 when i pick up ammo before

but there was another scum in the party

so im not sure if it was their aura or not

[exotic lynx]

@manic wolf what are your thoughts? Do I have to play shredder autopistol hiver any different than I play shredder autopistol veteran?

[keen timber]

death

[compact oyster]

Tyranids can and will evolve into being able to have immunity to nurgle's rot

[brave beacon]

shrug

[fallow swan]

Yeah they cut the area off from the warp, or at least make it very difficult to draw power from and reach the warp

[keen timber]

imo nids have been written as way too op ngl, it kinda makes them really hard to take seriously and it makes it hard for GW to actually do anything with them

[compact oyster]

Dont ask he how since nurgle's diseases are based in the warp and not physical

[rain ravine]

ok because I also don't think I'm getting 10% more ammo from my own pickups, I'll report the bug

[compact oyster]

@tepid cosmos how much of this am i getting wronf

[keen timber]

The shadow in the warp

[unreal osprey]

are mods fixed

[limber cradle]

Iirc its cause hive fleet hydra went to war with the death guard

[keen timber]

it's not hunger either, it's the oppressive force of the hive mind

[limber cradle]

Idk if thats a justification for you or not

[brave beacon]

most are workingnow tho i beleve score board is still borked

[compact oyster]

I call it inconsistent writing

[keen timber]

who would win, god of plagues or some buggy dudes?

[clever wren]

Same way daemons can be "killed" by men with guns, they have to interact at least partially with the physical world, so some rules of the physical world still work

[limber cradle]

Inconsistent writing? In my warhammer? Perish the thought.

[manic wolf]

I dont know, I don't use it on Vet, but if this is for Desperado just press F and win the game

[fallow swan]

I mean they aren't even the most op, just the most op kinda fucked themselves

And let's not talk about the planet were orks fight tyranids in unending war and the hive mind is evolving stupid creatures that we have yet to see

[keen timber]

well as i understand it for daemons to manifest they need some form of physical tether normally, no?

[compact oyster]

Thats different because daemons need to manifest into realspace

[sturdy linden]

tbh when you have an entire library of writers writing novels, short stories, game plots, codices, etc. for a single setting, it is humanly impossible to maintain any semblance of consistency and I respect GW for the consistency W40K does have

[compact oyster]

And i believe daemons are also weaker in realspace

[keen timber]

GW do a solid job of trying to keep things together

[limber cradle]

Daemons die better to melee weapons iirc

[sturdy linden]

even when just 2 or 3 writers are involved, timelines and logics kinda fall to pieces

[keen timber]

sword logic ahh

[sturdy linden]

these guys have dozens if I'm not wrong

not easy

[limber cradle]

Something about the intent or symbolism behind it iirc, could be wrong.

[trim wind]

You have to get scoreboard fix from modding discord, i think ovenproof has a link to it also on its nexus page

[clever wren]

As far as I know every effect of Chaos that happens in real space does so because the Warp is able to leak through in at least some small way, whether via a Psyker or just because people did a little too much [REDACTED] and the barrier grew thin, or whatever

[rain ravine]

I was told hivescum can regenerate ammo with two talents, do you guys know which two those are? I can only find "Pickpocket"

[compact oyster]

Angron getting his head caved in by the lion that just woke up 15 minutes ago

[exotic lynx]

I am told that the stimm supply is better than desperado because I can get much the same effect as desparado with pickpocket and vulture's mark. What are your thoughts on that? I have been using stimm supply but I don't think it's any good. Sometimes it bugs out and doesn't let me drop the box on the ground. And I don't really know how to use it. The stat increases are minimal, and it doesn't really benefit my teammates as much. Like, 4% attack speed is barely noticible on the other end, especially for only like, fifteen seconds. Anyways, I've just been using it like a mine (with the Booby Trap talent). Is it worth switching back to desperado? What do you think?

[sturdy linden]

it's just Pickpocket. Desperado allows you to reload without consuming your reserve

[clever wren]

To be fair, Angry Ron is the worst primarch and it isn't even a contest

[compact oyster]

I really really wouldnt want to be the person fighting angron in melee

[limber cradle]

I was watching someone in lore or theory talk about how much mkre powerful the daemon primarchs are than loyalists like they haven't eaten shit in every recent showing

[trim wind]

Whoever said that is wrong

[sturdy linden]

I think whoever told you that is huffing some Cope Stimms™ a bit too hard

[compact oyster]

Angron also had the misfortune of meeting the lion

[limber cradle]

Define worst

[manic wolf]

You'd be better off asking someone else mate in all honesty, I dont play support builds and thusly have never touched the chem dispenser ult. But I have done Rampage, and yes, you can get similar bonus' as Vulture with Chem Dependancy and Rampage is cracked, but yeah. Idk about the box. If you wanna go all ranged, go Desperado, if you want melee capability aswell, take Rampage/Chem Dependancy

[brave beacon]

anyone wana check my work?

[rain ravine]

There's a lot of reward in killing highlighted enemies, they mean tagged enemies, right? If I rebind tag to left click along with keeping shoot as left click, will I pretty much be covered?

[fallow swan]

Give them 10k years, they just need to win once and the loyalists are screwed

[manic wolf]

DO NOT bind ping to left click.

[rain ravine]

oh, okay, why?

[compact oyster]

Arent skarbrand and be'lakor in 40k too?

[manic wolf]

That is the most aids thing to have to put up with for your teammates.

[clever wren]

Terrible by a set of metrics such that it makes Angron by far the worst

[sturdy linden]

no, Desperado auto highlights nearby enemies

[rain ravine]

ooh okay 🙂 Sweet, I don't want to annoy my teamies 😄

[limber cradle]

Its annoying for everyone else

[limber cradle]

Lmfao, alright

I like Angron tbh, he has good writing in the HH

[manic wolf]

pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpinging = votekick

[sturdy linden]

where's that amazing Angron quote about the Emperor

[brave beacon]

ping bound to L1 + semi auto / melee = kinda annoying

[compact oyster]

Angron getting his head caved in by the lion is pretty funny

[limber cradle]

There's a lot of those, dude spits facts every single time he talks about the Imperium but is totally incapable of being better.

[ancient basin]

there were 2 more in that clump after

[clever wren]

American literacy made them believe the more you ping the enemy the more stacks of Focus Target you build

[compact oyster]

Imagine getting your ass kicked by a grandpa who just woke up

[sturdy linden]

found it

[rain ravine]

Stimm supply just copies stims right? Like if I get a hold of a med stim I can just spam it every 60 sec? Once I get high level enough to get stimm supply 😄

[exotic lynx]

as long as you're not spamming single-fire weapons it's not too annoying 🤷‍♂️ I don't mind if you're using a recon lasgun or something, and not a helbore. Well, in the #hivescum-class , i think most of us are using the uzis anyways, so

[brave beacon]

it uses the stem u have so you would need to pick up a med stim each time

[manic wolf]

Ping spammers should be confined to Uprising and I will die on this hill

[rain ravine]

what? o.0 it says "copy" though. It just eats it? D:

[limber cradle]

Shivs do not like HyperV right?

[brave beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-character-chewing-character-hd-chewing-character-hd-gif-22077966

[manic wolf]

Everything likes HV

[limber cradle]

Touché

[brave beacon]

hyperV got fixed

[limber cradle]

I thought HyperC was the broken one?

[trim wind]

last time i had a ping spammer i threatened to stop attacking if he kept doing it, he kept doing it. so i stopped attacking and started pinging everything that wasn't an enemy, i still outdmged him

[keen timber]

HV is the stronger

[brave beacon]

you are corect

[limber cradle]

Tbh man I cannot judge this proper cause I do not like right side of the tree much, sorry

[obsidian crown]

Controller

[brave beacon]

thank you for trying

[limber cradle]

I feel bad cause you posted it and it kinda got glossed over but I also can't help persay

[rain ravine]

Anyone have a recommended build for a pew pew hivescum for a noobie to this game, but not to shooters in general? 🙂

[trim wind]

chem dependancy won't do much for you since sample collector guarantees stim is ready first

[obsidian crown]

Play another class

[exotic lynx]

scientific evidence that starting to ping everything makes you outdamage your teammates

[rain ravine]

🙁

[exotic lynx]

trvth nvke

[brave beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/stezo-streety-gif-23465755

[manic wolf]

Bit blunt, but this is not a very new player friendly class

[tropic crag]

the left side of the tree has more of the ranged stuff

[exotic lynx]

i tried the top gameslantern builds and they're all gimmicks and i tried the youtuber builds and they all kind of suck

[obsidian crown]

I wouldn’t play scum until you mastered the basics/foundation of general combat

[exotic lynx]

maybe next patch lol

[obsidian crown]

Otherwise you’re just gonna struggle

[brave beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08a8238-a34f-4ddf-ba12-d8a126af698a

[keen timber]

ranged scum, is giving me bad habits

[tropic crag]

and in general with all classes you'll usually have to learn how to melee so try not to get stuck in the noob trap that you can just shoot everything like you're playing l4d2

[sturdy linden]

rough but fair, this is NOT a beginner friendly class. You will either hate the game and uninstall, or you will push through and learn habits that will make you fail on other characters.

[limber cradle]

God tier show

[brave beacon]

cemD was fixed to work with stem suply

[trim wind]

that's not what im saying

[tropic crag]

ehhhh i learned vt2 launch slayer first and it made me a weird player not a bad player

[exotic lynx]

omg... im scumming... i'm scumming~

[tropic crag]

i played vt1 but i only really got into stuff above middle difficulty in vt2 lol

[trim wind]

the cdr from dependancy just doesn't matter, it's wasted because sample collector gets your crate up before cdr matters

[obsidian crown]

Not the reason I said that but all right

[exotic lynx]

yeah well all the gameslantern builds suck but I'm going to try @brave beacon's build. I have faith that his is better , it looks better

[brave beacon]

regardless of fundamentals or effectiveness scum is fun to play y yuck his yum?

[obsidian crown]

Just saying I wouldn’t start with this class as my first class in darktide

[keen timber]

this is a really bad class to start with yeah

[limber cradle]

I am gonna run the fuck out of ammo when/if I play vet again

[keen timber]

it's like starting with arbite then wondering why everything dies so easy

[tropic crag]

i think its fine if they learn how to melee on scum first, but yeah if they actually went ranged only i've seen the results of that first hand already

[keen timber]

yeah i am perma holding the DAPS out

the second i try and play something else im gonna be scrabbling for ammo

[trim wind]

play whatever class

[keen timber]

yueah infinite ammo is a recipe for bad habits

[sturdy linden]

another bad habit is charging into a gunner line with not a care in the world

[obsidian crown]

Psyker was my first class personally and I’m glad I did that

[charred bronze]

Someone else said play anither class and it's good advice. Your previous shooter experience won't be ultra useful. Start with another class (recommend arbites or zealot, with arbites being most forgiving).

Get the fundamentals of gunplay and melee down, dodging, blocking, and overall mechanics. Scum is a bad choice for starter class and does a poor job of preparing you for the other careers.

[trim wind]

plenty of classes do that

[tropic crag]

play the class you want to play, and i'm being honest here, just try to be aware of the pitfalls of the class once you start to actually learn the game. Try to also play other classes at the same time to learn skills that will let you have more fun overall

[brave beacon]

i9 have no idea if its "meta" for the class but im having alot of fun with it

[sturdy linden]

without bothering to dodge / slide?

[unreal osprey]

sure is

[tropic crag]

thats something that gets corrected pretty quick tho since its a hard "you do this you die" sort of deal when they hit that wall

[sturdy linden]

true, just saying

[tropic crag]

theres alot more bad habits that can get backed in that are worse lol, like me never swapping off melee

i will fight through hell and back to walk up to a sniper across the board because i'll forget my gun is a thing

[limber cradle]

I think I'm gonna stop trying to dip into the tox side of the tree on desp builds, I think that's my issue

[sturdy linden]

I think the one thing that'll kill me the most is getting used to not having Nimble + Jittery

[obsidian crown]

How far do you dip though

[limber cradle]

Well it starts with pocket tox, then I want melee crit tox, and yk what while I'm over there I'd go for Stimm CD.

[keen timber]

this is not conclusive with learning how to actually play the game

[obsidian crown]

Personally I just go +1 blitz for rocket or tox pocket sand for blackout and that’s it

[tropic crag]

the constant kiting backwards hurts my soul

[obsidian crown]

For desperado build though

[trim wind]

there is a fix available, just not on nexus since og scoreboard has been out at pasture for a long time

[limber cradle]

Idk what 3 points i would drop for tox pocket

[obsidian crown]

I can share mine

It’s pretty goated

[young herald]

legitimately, the toxin on crit talent is super good too

[limber cradle]

I'll look, I can't promise I'll agree with it tho

[young herald]

especially for weapons with low cleave damage

[obsidian crown]

I’ve had many games where almost 0 dmg taken and someone ruins it but yeah

[tropic crag]

like the big difference between other difficulties and auric and up is that once you hit auric people start walking towards the fight instead of backing out of it

[limber cradle]

Damage taken isn't my issue tbh

[limber cradle]

My issue is I'm a greedy bastard who wants 5 more points

[obsidian crown]

Rocket vs blackout ^

[limber cradle]

we have almost the same set up

Hold on

[young herald]

this for everything, forever IMO

[brave beacon]

you realy thing hive city brawler is worth?

[young herald]

[young herald]

it's some combination of DR and extra damage, so yes

[brave beacon]

20% of nothing is still nothing

[young herald]

it's not the best node in the tree, but it's still very good

[young herald]

20% DR is enough to save you from poxburster one shots in havoc, for example

[limber cradle]

You run tox instead of PV, Float, and Scratch basically

I really do not like toughness reduction on reload personally

[obsidian crown]

Yeah I go all in on ranged tbh for this since if you’re good, you’ll barely melee tbh

[keen timber]

imo its worthless

[young herald]

timeout is not particualrly good, no

[limber cradle]

I only run PV to get to Float to hit more VD immunities tbh

[obsidian crown]

I mag dump a LOT so I find it useful

[limber cradle]

Tbf

I run scratch instead

Whereas you do the tdr

[obsidian crown]

I run TDR on rocket

[limber cradle]

You're consistent on the TDR

[brave beacon]

so waht are yall doing for stems?

i see a use case for 3 of the 4 paths

[dense hollow]

rending stim&attack speed on melee

cdr for gun

[limber cradle]

Pure cooldown into klay rn, but my favorite for fun is movement speed

[modest patio]

mobility the dump stat on auto pistols?

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-2077-edgerunners-cp-edge-2077-sandevistan-gif-14081357244930633920

[obsidian crown]

Some game examples with the builds I use

[limber cradle]

Yk it buddy

[limber cradle]

Or collat I believe

[grave venture]

God when you finally clap that mosquito that has been terrorizing you its the best feeling

[keen timber]

what else am i gonna do there? walk into the bulwark and get surrounded?

i needed to regen a pocket flash so i could open him up like a tin can

[young herald]

though I swap crit for rending depending on my weapon

[hallow raft]

@novel oracle something went weird with your knife build thats in the pins, points are entirely missing that connect nodes

[limber cradle]

Maybe one day I'll reinstall scoreboard

[unreal osprey]

the person activating the atonement terminal thing

should be the one that the demonhost aggros on

[keen timber]

then nobody would want to actrivate it

[obsidian crown]

It’s super useful. It’s helping me min max my builds for my playstyle

[unreal osprey]

not the person who didnt even know the terminal was there

[manic wolf]

Going back on older characters for a bit made me wish I could make Scum as drippy as Vet

[young herald]

it uses ritual rules iirc

[obsidian crown]

I compare them each game

[young herald]

furthest person gets the agro

just be closer than the other guy and problem solved

[high gull]

This man looks aggresively British

[young herald]

or learn how to dodge, that also works

[keen timber]

for daps, what perks are we running?

[tropic crag]

circles, kiting like that just strings them out and makes it so no one can fight with you, so you end up kiting things around and sometimes you'll lose them and people will get caught in the back.

really really you need to pull out your melee and control the horde so things can be killed fast and easy.

[keen timber]

he's holding a gun not a knife

[obsidian crown]

I’ve been trying to get a high int 0 dmg taken auric game as practice for not getting hit in havoc

[keen timber]

my team was halfway across the map

[manic wolf]

Well, as a British man, he bloody well should

[keen timber]

I was trying to get back to them

[limber cradle]

I haven't bothered to reinstall them but tbh the more I play DT the more I feel obligated to pick up inspect in party finder and the scoreboard tbh

[tropic crag]

lol probably because you're not fighting in one spot, you're letting the heretics control your movement

[manic wolf]

Its not a knife, but it still fits the stereotype

[obsidian crown]

It’s good if you use it to min max builds yep. Not to be toxic like some folks

[limber cradle]

Ig i do not need HyperV on a ranged build

[keen timber]

i mean yeah shit hit the fan so I needed to get out of there

I know what I'm doing believe it or not

[tropic crag]

piratesoftware style thinking lol

[limber cradle]

Nah, I'm not normally performance toxic

[novel oracle]

cuz the tree was updated and i havent updated some of the builds to match

[manic wolf]

I got someone the other day who managed 21 kills in a high STG. Im allowed to be performance toxic over that ¬.¬

[heady jungle]

Does the stimm crate still gain the benefits of cartel special even when CS is on cooldown?

[tropic crag]

but really that sort of kiting is something that used to be fairly rare among "high level" vt2 players who weren't actually confident in melee... but it was rare... its just common in dt and it pains me see players never learn how to control hordes

[hallow raft]

yea i thought that might be the case

[limber cradle]

Hey man, just makes me look better by comparison

[keen timber]

LMAO

HAHAHA

[sturdy linden]

I feel like people are actually illiterate

[tropic crag]

i get it man, you ran out of mana

[obsidian crown]

Personally I would have thrown a pocket sand there in the middle with bulwark, ran around side to kill bulwark with Uzis then shoot horde but that’s just me

[keen timber]

I mean I normally play melee setups, I've very little experience with ranged setups (This is my first time doing a ranged focused build)

I'm fine with melee though

[tropic crag]

anything to fight for space, like you don't need to melee on scum but just not stringing them along like that

[keen timber]

I'll run into anything you want no problem

[keen timber]

I didn't have one

[young herald]

it does not and never has. Crate needs the stim to be off cooldown to give more than the base anti-corruption effects.

[keen timber]

I was trying to regen one

[obsidian crown]

I’m basically saying I would have gone in melee range as ranged

[young herald]

the patch fixed the crate with chem dependency to give stacks though iirc

[tropic crag]

yeah i get you

[keen timber]

if I had a flash I could've killed the bulwark and that's the big issue gone

With dual autopistols, which perks are typically run?

[limber cradle]

Restarting darktide cause the game got a little framey for a literal second and ik what that means if I queue for a mission

[keen timber]

I'm guessing something like flak unyielding?

[tropic crag]

i'm bad a ranged setups because the urge to pull out melee and just start swinging is too strong tbh but yeah i'm not saying you're bad at the game i just dislike that style of kiting because i've had to chase after people waaaay to much over the years

[versed spruce]

Smite user?

[keen timber]

yes that's after I regenned it

[obsidian crown]

No I’m saying. In that moment, I would have dove that horde

[keen timber]

I hate when people do it too, but fuck me I'm not used to ranged setups

[obsidian crown]

With pocket sand

[keen timber]

Oh I see

yeah fair

[obsidian crown]

You can throw it behind the bulwark and it’ll open him up then you go left and shoot him in side

[tropic crag]

i also watched a dual uzi scum shoot at a crusher swarm for like 10 mins in a mortis trial the other day so maybe i'm just touchy about kiting atm

[keen timber]

surely my autopistols will cut through carapace

[sturdy linden]

3 graphs and testing to conclude what anyone with half a brain understands in a single game with that weapon...
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pjhlnh/differences_in_melee_experience_a_dissection_of/

[keen timber]

This is why I am running pocket toxin and shivs

[sturdy linden]

DT Reddit is actually full of illiterates I'm not even kidding

[heady jungle]

So then no matter what stimm crate with dependency is kinda bad. Which stinks because I love support builds but the crate is just… blah?

[sturdy linden]

??? Just use Sample Collector

you can regen the stimm (and the crate) with it in like 30-40sec

[heady jungle]

I do use it

[keen timber]

Ok how do these look then? Looks good to me

[obsidian crown]

But ye you’ll get it the more you play

[manic wolf]

Nope. They didnt even die that often, think they went down twice? They just didnt kill anything

[sturdy linden]

idk what to tell you then, I run 100% visc stimm and never struggle with keeping chem dep stacks up

[charred bronze]

are DMF and DML still borked?

[sturdy linden]

the box is always available

[obsidian crown]

I’ve always been very fast at learning since I’m very visual being deaf and quick thinking

[tropic crag]

a single crusher swarm kept them kiting the whole time, his kiting killed most the team as well because he aggro'd them first and brought them to each of our backs while we were fighting... then held us hostage for 10 mins kiting and shooting that swarm, it was insane but i couldn't stop laughing

[charred bronze]

darktide modloader and darktide mod framework that is?

[tender marten]

i'd seen a thread a couple days back where someone said that Scummer has zero recourse against Crushers. Someone else mentioned that shivs with uncanny strike do just fine. OP then replies that being expected to hit heads to maintain the buff is unrealistic. Guess who had the most upvotes.

[keen timber]

[obsidian crown]

Know what to do vs a wall?

[keen timber]

The shivs are neat for it actually

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-ayutha-pooja-arnold-schwarzenegger-heroes-gif-hollywood-gif-13768401820019360728

[keen timber]

I was a bit unsure but im liking them

[versed spruce]

They're a pacifist, and those 21 kills haunt them even now

Have some compassion

[heady jungle]

Then what is the point of running dependency if using the Practiced Deployment node?

[obsidian crown]

I legit don’t ever use rockets unless crusher pack tbh

[charred bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-guns-gun-rocket-gif-15498819

[tropic crag]

the needle gun goes "tink tink tink tink" and the crusher goes "thud" in like a second and thats just the easy armor out scum has

[bronze glade]

saw the post, didn't even read the tl;dr

the weapon is ass either way

[keen timber]

i had someone in pug tell me that the needle pistol sucked and took too long to do anything

[sturdy linden]

uhhh, it does give stats other than CDR? Crit and TDR are super valuable

[charred bronze]

I'll use one if the squad is getting completely overrun, but I save them for big armor packs

[obsidian crown]

My hot take is rocket is way better than chem nades tbh.

[keen timber]

because (paraphrasing) it takes a second to kill a hound and a revolver kills it instantly

I think rocket might mog chems now

since it has same charges

[heady jungle]

But that’s only with additional investment

[obsidian crown]

Deleting a pack of 15 crushers with 1 rocket and chem nade kills 3 in same time frame, idk man

[sturdy linden]

I mean sure, but that's any keystone (arguably not Vulture maybe)

[charred bronze]

it benefits us when people do optimization testing imo

[tropic crag]

this is the sort of stuff you figure out in the first couple hordes not even mission lol

[heady jungle]

Maybe I am just stupid 😭

[dense hollow]

chem nade/blackouts for mixed hordes and rocket for crusher bulwark blobs

all three are good honestly

[obsidian crown]

I’ll pick blackout over chem any day tbh with pocket toxin

[sturdy linden]

it's just a preference thing, lots of people use adrenaline with box instead

I just play box on a high crit build so I like chem dep more

[keen timber]

same tbh

[obsidian crown]

But if I had to choose chem or rocket for havoc, it’s rocket

[keen timber]

blackouts are SO. GOOD.

[limber cradle]

Do you lot run Flak unyielding or flak maniacs on the DAPs?

[keen timber]

I am running flak unyielding atm

[limber cradle]

I'm also on FU rn

[obsidian crown]

But I actually know how to maximize rocket dmg by aiming properly so idk if folks struggle with this

[keen timber]

and how do you do that

[obsidian crown]

Flak maniac for me

[tropic crag]

honestly scum feel like of like oggy, you can build them weird more than stupid

[sturdy linden]

aiming being "point in general direction"

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[dense hollow]

8m radius is super generous

[keen timber]

Is flak unyielding not better for boss damage

or is maniac that big a deal?

[limber cradle]

Its probably confirmation bias but I feel like I see so, so many ogs

[keen timber]

Maniac's only really hounds and muties no?

what else is it

[manic wolf]

No, that wouldnt be very Scummery of me

[obsidian crown]

Ragers, etc

[keen timber]

oh right yeah sorry

[manic wolf]

Dogs are infested

[keen timber]

hounds ragers and muties

[tropic crag]

flamers have it too i think... on body?

[sturdy linden]

trappers, ragers, flamers

[keen timber]

oh

[sturdy linden]

scab flamers not tox

[obsidian crown]

Uzis already does good boss dmg tbh

[keen timber]

is that scab or

oh scab ones too

[neon fern]

u really want flak unyielding imo

[manic wolf]

Flamers, Bombers, Rager, Trapper

[neon fern]

u'll be shooting a lot of reapers

[obsidian crown]

You destroy reapers even without unyielding

[limber cradle]

thats my experience

also

[obsidian crown]

Test it in psy

[jolly elbow]

Is there an easy way to do the critical hits penance?

[obsidian crown]

Not much of a diff

[keen timber]

u mow ragers down without maniac too though

[tropic crag]

bombers being more of an honorable mention here because killing them fast is not a good thing

[obsidian crown]

Yeah but I like to mow a train of them down

[limber cradle]

its the same for maniacs and unyielding

[tropic crag]

wait i'm thinking bursters and i'm dumb

[obsidian crown]

You’ll encounter them more than reapers tbh

[manic wolf]

Uhh? Its not?

[tropic crag]

my oggy main is showing

[tropic crag]

lol i was thinking bursters because i'm dumb

[keen timber]

yeah but boss damage too

[neon fern]

it also gives more boss dmg

which is never bad

[obsidian crown]

I run unyielding on shivs

[cedar cairn]

Use Dependency

[obsidian crown]

And shoot

Depending on my positioning

[manic wolf]

I was gunna say, why would you not want to kill bombers quick

[limber cradle]

Whats the name?

[keen timber]

how does shiv perks interact with the throwing knives? is it only the initial hit that is effected?

[tropic crag]

MAYBE I MADE NEW FRIENDS OK?

[sturdy linden]

people are actually insane

[obsidian crown]

I recommend experimenting with flak maniac and unyielding on Uzis in games and see what you like better