hivescum-class

[radiant swift]

still not particularly good, in comparison with shivs at least

[fair oar]

Relic swords and power swords and force swords and thunderhammers and we are talking about maybe bringing a crowbar or a shovel

[livid raven]

apart from shiv, i'm very underwhelmed by all the other scum unique melee weapons

[limber cradle]

I really wanted to main crowbar ngl

Its my aesthetic preference

[radiant swift]

same

[livid raven]

Same

[radiant swift]

usually not a fast weapon enjoyer but both the shiv variants have felt great

[livid raven]

Also because i like the shovel

[loud eagle]

hi everyone im not sure if this is really ok to ask or relevant to chat but i recently got hive scum and i dont really know what talents to use but i was wondering if anyone could help with my build at all?

[livid raven]

Check the pinned builds

I think they are updated

[fair oar]

Bring out your dual autopistols. That's it. That's the build. Left side talents.

[reef skiff]

me personally i just went all in on speed and melee

[loud eagle]

thank u so so much!!

[zenith fern]

vraks infantry autogun*

[fair oar]

No no no. Always pick akimbo

It's just cooler

[arctic imp]

If I’m using shivs on a high crit tox build, should I take the crit chance stim nodes? Or finesse? Finesse seems to net me more damage, is the crit chance overall still gonna be better for my damage?

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think it's personal.preference

[zenith fern]

nuh huh

[limber cradle]

I do like Vraks letting me skip out of sticky hands rn tho

[zenith fern]

I like roleplaying as dreg gunner

with vraks desperado

[limber cradle]

Vraks 67 round mag feels crazy

[arctic imp]

I’ve heard it’s exceptionally good, is it comparable to the autopistols?

[radiant swift]

the heavy braced gets to like 87 or something

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

[fair oar]

I am a pistol enjoyer in every game I play.

[limber cradle]

Very much so, it crit chains which the autos don't do but the autos are more mobile ime

Yeah vraks IAG fucks

[sturdy linden]

You should get CDR on melee kill only and pop it the instant you run out of Rampage to get ir back up faster. Or if you're running crate then yeah crit in str line, and attack speed line, can max both

[zenith fern]

it does quite funny boss damage when hitting weakspots

[limber cradle]

And it's supremely capable of doing so ime

[sturdy linden]

I still find Uzis better. Yeah they kinda suck vs Crushers but that's what the rocket in my pocket is for

[arctic imp]

I’m using the stim crate, and I currently do have both attk speed and strength line, but the finesse seemed stronger. I do notice more tox stacks with the crit line

[neon fern]

i need to write an apology from to the other shiv mark

for not trying them sooner

[sturdy linden]

Crit lets you get higher tox stacks, finesse is more direct damage. Pick your poison really.

[arctic imp]

I see

[zenith fern]

thats okay, I just like using my two handed gun for aura farm

[arctic imp]

Also the fix to medi crate is gorgeous. You can run a high cooldown stim with crate and still keep your 60 second dependency up

And get your stim back fast through tox

[candid furnace]

the machine pistols could be dogshit and Id still use them, theyre too iconic to not use with desperado

[arctic imp]

Absolutely gorgeous I’m in love. Nothing like desperado but still enjoyable

[fickle lark]

sadly you the buffs wont activate without the stim not beeing on cooldown

also i just found out the medicrate works with heretic stims to including healing stims
but they will be used

[arctic imp]

True but what I care about is the bomb usage of the crate and the fact that it gives you a stack of dependency even if you get no stim effect

[candid furnace]

did they stop the thing where using the crate gets rid of your stim

[fickle lark]

fair enough

[radiant swift]

fairly sure it should be giving buffs with every usuage

[arctic imp]

It still uses your stim, but the idea is you use your stim first and then your crate later. They can both give you a stack of dependency

[radiant swift]

no matter if your stimms are up or not

[arctic imp]

It doesn’t give you your stim buff I tried it

[sturdy linden]

? Just hit the crate with the stim available. Thanks to Sample Collector and the subnode in crate, stimm will be available very quickly and also make crate available to throw down again.

[arctic imp]

this is very true but not ideal if you want to spam the crate

[sturdy linden]

That's a terrible idea

[arctic imp]

You don’t want to use them together

[lapis raft]

yea but then your stimm will go on cd only after the stimm ends right if you do that

[sturdy linden]

Your crate does fuckall

[lapis raft]

so thats like

[sturdy linden]

If you use stimm before

[lapis raft]

pointless

[sturdy linden]

???

[candid furnace]

that's fair, I just wish it didnt do that tbh. Would be nice to just juggle them as you like

[arctic imp]

7 stacks and corruption protection is beautiful

[sturdy linden]

The purpose of the damn crate is to stim yourself AND YOUR TEAM

[arctic imp]

that’s ONE usage of it

[tender marten]

is that a rocket in your pocket or are you just happy to see a crusher patrol

[sturdy linden]

If you use the damn stimm before you drop the crate then why are you using it at all lmfao

[arctic imp]

I don’t use it to support my team unless a boss shows up

[sturdy linden]

Ok dude

[arctic imp]

Because it gives 7 stacks of tox and I’m gonna get it again in 25 seconds

[obsidian crown]

I mean that’s fair

[candid furnace]

darktide players when they find out there's more than one playstyle per character in a game where each character has a whole skill tree

[hallow creek]

Yeah but if you have stimm supply up already before your cartel special…. Just use? Tf you mad about a free charge for?

[arctic imp]

literally

[sturdy linden]

Yeah I mean people can play what they like, it's just a pve game, but I'm free to find it utterly stupid

[arctic imp]

Bro acts like because I’m not using it the single most optimal way I’m just bad

Like I know it’s not optimal but it’s what I want to do

[obsidian crown]

I mean more so his reasoning is fair. Boss or large horde, stim crate . Otherwise nah

[arctic imp]

And it DOES work

[arctic imp]

I delete bosses

[brittle sierra]

Now you are getting it

[lapis raft]

i dont think using stimm before box is worth it even for box tox spam ngl

because the stimm wont go on cd then until it falls off

[obsidian crown]

Ok. Cool.

[lapis raft]

so that means your box will take longer to go off from cd

from the stimm cd

but if you let box use stimm the stimm will start cd right away

[loud herald]

Me when the skill tree is meant to encourage variety and different styles of playing the game

[sturdy linden]

Again, people can play what they like, and I can think what I don't like is stupid

[brittle sierra]

I think it is worth because 7 stacks of toxic into a horde gives me big numbies 😈

[arctic imp]

that’s literally it

[north meteor]

I feel like the aoe is too small though

[loud herald]

I've been getting gooder at hive scum

Pretty fun

[arctic imp]

I bet YOU don’t 😒

[sturdy linden]

It's pretty terrible aoe yeah

[tender marten]

JUST ANOTHER DAY IN THE BIG T

[loud herald]

It's hilarious to see giant plated crushers get deleted by dinky little shives

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah chainsword goes crazy

[obsidian crown]

I’m more so replying as to why are you telling this? Has nothing to do with the conversation. Like ok, no one asked?

[candid furnace]

if my teammates dont run the builds I find optimal for their class, I explode their brains through my computer screen

[loud herald]

I've not tried chainsword on hive scum yet

[north meteor]

I don't even take the chem explosion node bc:

1. aoe is bad
2. it insta pops bursters on top of me
3. its more efficient to use other means of getting 7 stacks lol

[loud herald]

Is it poggers

[sturdy marsh]

It is

[arctic imp]

Didn’t you just say? Might have been the wrong comment I clicked on

[hallow creek]

If you had a crackhead stabbing you in the gaps of your armor you’d die to

[loud herald]

True and based, fact checked by real meta gamers ✅

[obsidian crown]

No?

[lilac ermine]

My friend in party finder is so picky abt teammates lol

[loud herald]

True

[lilac ermine]

He doesnt accept other hive scum

[north meteor]

If you're running Havoc 40, its fair

[sturdy linden]

Havoc kinda toxic like that

[loud herald]

(For legal reasons this is a joke)

[arctic imp]

The aoe could be improved but it’s essentially a mini tox grenade the way I use it. If it wasn’t something they intended, they wouldn’t have given us that as a node. Also acting like it doesn’t work just shows that someone hasn’t actually tried it and is just prejudiced against it

**because it does work if you just try it

[lapis raft]

was improving my mini overlay in left i think it looks a lot nicer :d

[loud herald]

That's poggers ngl

[lilac ermine]

Yes 😔

[north meteor]

No one said it didn't work

[brittle sierra]

Let me guess they need everyone to carry them 😈

[north meteor]

I just said that its bad at what its meant for lol

[lilac ermine]

Then were waiting for 10 years for one non melee psyker

[zenith fern]

fancy hand

[candid furnace]

tbf im levelling up my hive scum right now and the other hive scum teammates im getting are NOT very good

[arctic imp]

Oh, that guy definitely did. But I also agree it could be better.

[loud herald]

This is the main reason why I put off leveling scum for a bit lmao

[lilac ermine]

Just team comp he usually carrys us

[plush cove]

so first time doing desperado dual macs in H40, yeah no idea what MrE was on about xD

[sturdy linden]

Feel glad you're levelling it after the talent reshuffle and the free weekend

[loud herald]

The low level hive scum teammates are insane(ly shit)

[sturdy linden]

First few days were hell

[mighty belfry]

If only demotion wasn't a thing.

[hallow creek]

You fell for the slop 🤌

[arctic imp]

it’s insane isn’t it? By far some of the strongest stuff I’ve seen hive scum put out

[candid furnace]

I was playing arbites yesterday with 3 HS and had no ammo for half the round because the HS was taking it all
I asked them to let me have some and they spent the game telling me im shit for 'not using melee'

[plush cove]

I didn't but seriously gotta wonder how someone could come to that conclusion lol

[brittle sierra]

My team:

[north meteor]

unlocking Auric changed leveling entirely

[candid furnace]

keep in mind I had no ammo so melee was the only thing I could even mechanically do lol

[mighty belfry]

Tbf I kinda get it but at this point I just don't care anymore. Multiple hive scum in a lobby is kind of a gamble.

[loud herald]

What a bunch of weirdos lmao christ

[brittle sierra]

What was the take?

[plush cove]

he thinks ranged scum is shit or sth

[loud herald]

Yes

[hallow creek]

When you gotta shovel your slop, you come to many conclusions

[candid furnace]

yeah I mean that's what living in toxic sludge will do to you

[north meteor]

that is nice ngl

[loud herald]

real

[lilac ermine]

Since were vet+hive scum he usually wants a psyker and zealot/ogryn/arbtier

[arctic imp]

He’s clearly not very bright. It’s better than melee

[loud herald]

Also Klenne if you want help leveling lmk

[lilac ermine]

So psykers is in demand

[loud herald]

I will get on my vet or ogryn and delete everything

[brittle sierra]

HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA 😭

[north meteor]

the only two classes I haven't played

[loud herald]

That way even if we get shitcan teammates I can still carry lol

[loud herald]

Fair

[candid furnace]

that's nice of you, luckily im like 4 levels away now so ive gotten out of the worst of it :)

[loud herald]

Same actually

[lilac ermine]

Do you solo havoc

[rich sluice]

the fact that chem toxin or bleed and many more things DONT give kills for Blackout grenades is a hilariously bad bug

[hallow creek]

Anything besides x4 hive scum, I can’t take anymore 😭

[lilac ermine]

Or with team

[north meteor]

tbf I want to try shout vet

[ancient mica]

Ogryn is so fun

[loud herald]

Wanna hive scum together ?

[lapis raft]

yea also made it remember the data when coming back to hud so its only reset when entering new mission so i can check after

[plush cove]

tbf tho, if you dont know movement for Darktide, starting out as scum is PRETTY tough.

[rich sluice]

like how can this be still in the game after release and a hotfix??

[plush cove]

yes

[ancient mica]

Rock is my all time fave “grenade”

[loud herald]

It is

[arctic imp]

They’ve also changed the incredibly beneficial toughness nodes to be easily accessible early on. Very weird for them to have been at the bottom of the tree

[sturdy linden]

You shouldn't play with someone that stupid tbh

[loud herald]

Shout vet is fun af

[plush cove]

im also playing in 200+ ping lol

[candid furnace]

I currently cannot :C

[lilac ermine]

Ppl arent even accepting hive scum for me 😭

[loud herald]

I run chainsword and bolt pistol with the weapons specialist

Fun af

[plush cove]

tis why I host my own lobbies lol

[ancient mica]

Oh yea.. you really feel the fact that you are just a human out here in the chaos lol

[loud herald]

Oh ye ye you're good homie I just meant sometime in general

[lilac ermine]

Oh tru

[north meteor]

Oh thats nice. Also, did you ever try chem explosion stimm pack?

[loud herald]

I'm a bit busy too lol

[ancient mica]

I’ll always accept you

[lapis raft]

yea im running it atm. but the explosion is just for the effect xd

[ancient mica]

Which gang yall choose?

[arctic imp]

You really have to have some serious credentials, I’ve found success playing lower 30’s and proving myself to the team to then continue on up the ladder

[lilac ermine]

Ty water cartel

[loud herald]

The railroad and metal one

[lapis raft]

i will probs grab more cleave instea dor some shit

[loud herald]

Idr the name

[candid furnace]

sounds good, if im around then I will mention to you C:

[ancient mica]

Awesome I was gonna pick that until I Read the Show

[north meteor]

If the AoE radius was like 5 more meters, I'd run it

[loud herald]

sounds good, I sent you a friend request

[ancient mica]

Coool

[lilac ermine]

Water cartel are obviously dual autopistols gang cause the autopistols is purple

[brittle sierra]

I'm my own gang

[lapis raft]

it saved me like idk

like once maybe

ooh but you know whats fun

[fair oar]

The show is the best. They have the best pants

[lapis raft]

in mortis trials with stimm pack you can get arbi shock mine on it pretty much

so then the chem explosion is funny

[candid furnace]

im excited for the hype to die down a bit around HS though
very fun class but groups of 3-4 HS is just a bit much

Honestly I just miss ogryn teammates. Rarely do I ever see one unless im playing the highest difficulties

[north meteor]

I need to see all of the mortis trial mods

bc that does sound fun

[haughty slate]

How do we all feel about Hyper-Violence?

[obsidian crown]

It died a lot in aurics so

[mighty belfry]

Hive scum is just a weirdly finicky class to have multiple of in one party too I've noticed

[ancient mica]

Anyone else notice that all 4 gangs… are kinda connected to the 4 chaos gods?

Iron Riders-Red-Khorne

Tread Lightlies-Blue-Tzeench

The Show-Green-Nurgle

Water Cartel-Purple-Slaanesh

[lapis raft]

you can also get extra uses on stimm pack there too

[north meteor]

good and consistent

[lapis raft]

even though that completely bugged out stimm for me

lol

but otherwise it worked :d

[ancient mica]

Release The Clownz

[obsidian crown]

It’s almost like these colors aren’t popular colors or anything.

[arctic imp]

I love having an ogryn or arbites on the team as hive scum, I feel protected

[north meteor]

hmm I kinda wonder what desperado gets in Mortis

[winter galleon]

What talents taking in h40?

[main wagon]

HL3 confirmed, obv

[candid furnace]

HS is fun but my loyalty will always be to ogryns

[main wagon]

The signs are down there, in the trash compactor

[obsidian crown]

Bloodbourne 2 confirmed. Because red.

[lilac ermine]

Isnt there yellow and black gang

[candid furnace]

I find them the most fun in personality, mechanics and aesthetics

[arctic imp]

An ogryn main? Oh we appreciate everything you do

[main wagon]

Treadies and The Show both like hazard paint

[lilac ermine]

🤔

[candid furnace]

yes sah

[arctic imp]

I liked the stud pants of the water cartel but the show got these clown ones instead

[main wagon]

Admonition is yellow…technically

[grand jewel]

I wish they had a full set of the gold plate armour looking stuff they have on one arm on one of the gangs

looks so good

[main wagon]

I hate that the blade master garb is wearing a potato sack

[grand jewel]

I'd drop unfortunately large amounts of aquilas on that

[loud herald]

I've been an ogryn main since day 1

[spice mural]

I hope you’re not referring to the leopard print ones. Those are amazing.

[arctic imp]

No no the purple rarity ones

[spice mural]

Fair enough then.

[dim moth]

yeah almost like they're show offs or something

[arctic imp]

two of the gangs got leather stud pants for that rarity

[ancient mica]

It’s more than that tho.. the culture of each gang also matches the chaos gods

Iron Riders are upfront and brutal

Tread Lightlies are schemers and have their hands in everything produced

The Show are all about joy and entertainment and stims(already connected to the cult), their symbol being a rotten bear skull.. (nurgle has also been known to “finance” carnivals)

Water Cartel is the “newest” and “weakest” of the e gangs in the conclave, but also very “necessary”

[arctic imp]

Show offs would be better than clowns 😔 but clown is also their aesthetic so I understand. I just mishmash stuff with the leather pants

[sharp dune]

May be a fun wee Easter egg

[ancient mica]

The Show uses yellow and black.. but if you notice the pattern is triangles..

[radiant swift]

it's likely a bit of both

nothing storywise will come from it

but the implication is there

[ancient mica]

Nurgle’s symbol Is a Triangle

[arctic imp]

👀

Not the heretic propaganda

[main wagon]

It’s kinda funny that the Iron Riders legs have Arbites boots from the TORRENT PRECINCT

Like not the Water Cartel

The TRAIN GANG

[ancient mica]

Not propaganda

Warning

Danger

[main wagon]

Must’ve intercepted the supply transport lma

[arctic imp]

I’m excited for more cosmetics and I hope they continue to have cosmetics that are expressive of the cartels we chose from

[sturdy marsh]

I don't think I can put into words how much I hate bombers and flamers

[ancient mica]

Chaos Gods aren’t always obvious in their schemes and how they appear within the material.. as they all represent core components of how life is and literally thrive off of it.. it makes sense they appear in some form

I doubt the gangs THEMSELVES know about the influence

[ancient mica]

I cannot STAND

Gus

[main wagon]

You and my German friend I play with after work lmao

[candid furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

[north meteor]

bombers specifically like to mess you up when you're already in a mess

[ancient mica]

(Plasma Gunner)

[arctic imp]

what the hell is a flamer

[main wagon]

Bomber throwing 3 grenades directly on your body while you’re downed

[arctic imp]

Love hearing that “DING”

[ancient mica]

“Got me slab o’ me’al sah’ I can stan’ ‘ere sah’”

[candid furnace]

if Klunk cant spell it, then it cant kill Klunk

and Klunk cant spell anything

[sturdy marsh]

And trappers and flamers always seem to work together. Trapper traps you, pulls you towards the flamer that burns you to a crisp.

[north meteor]

for me its trappers and crushers

[lilac ermine]

What are best hive scum names you guys have seen

[north meteor]

I dodge 9/10 traps. I get hit by 1 and all of a sudden theres a crusher

[grand jewel]

fuegophobic

[ancient mica]

“OUT O’VE DE WEY SWEETHARTZ” ~the Heavy

I like the heavy cuz it’s implied he’s a Hive Scum Ogryn

[radiant swift]

"look at the cadian gate's o you"

[obsidian crown]

For me, it’s teammates with the awareness of a 85 year old grandpa

[tight musk]

Ok, I can achieve like 2.8k dps on a crusher with a crowbar in rampage without even switching to special mode, and like double that if I get a crit.

[ancient mica]

“Go ahead, say somfin about Cadia, ya know yew wont tew”

[candid furnace]

my HS is just called Sheila but I do like my Arbites Sgt-Hill-Keretics

[radiant swift]

he picked up rhyming slang no way he isn't

[ancient mica]

Exactly

[sturdy marsh]

That's close

[limber cradle]

Jeffery-Fentstein still gets me tbh

[ancient mica]

I love the Anarchist

[candid furnace]

he's an orc painted purple

[ancient mica]

“OH Hello Ground :D”

[north meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-war-gif-9661210

[lilac ermine]

😬

[hazy vector]

So for hiver mobility is not a dump stat?

[limber cradle]

Also good

[sharp dune]

It’s always the dump stat

[north meteor]

oh no

[lilac ermine]

Lol

[radiant swift]

the usually choice yeah,

[sturdy marsh]

One of my biggest teammate related pet peeves is when they don't immediately let someone out of a net, instead trying to kill everything around it first. I end up dying that way.

[north meteor]

on the needler specifically, you don't care about damage

[ancient mica]

An Ork that was surrounded by Ogryn in battlefield during a Wagh.. but the Ogryn thought he was just a green Ogryn and eventually even he believed it.

So after the fight when he was about to return he splashed a puddle and the “green paint” washed off

[obsidian crown]

Yeah that’s mine as well.

[exotic temple]

I think it was more that desperado is redundant because you can slide for ranged immunity and pick pocket means you never run out of ammo. Desperado didn’t give much in the way of direct buffs like rampage.

[radiant swift]

a couple of guns can dump collateral as well

since it won't effect a stagger breakpoint

[ancient mica]

I named my guy

Dejay-Spytt

[north meteor]

yea sounds about right

[exotic temple]

But I still think it’s a shit take

[ancient mica]

I go for the Trapper then grab

[lilac ermine]

Ranged hive scum is strongest buld in game

For dps

[ancient mica]

Luv me crowbar

[candid furnace]

have you considered how cool it is

[lilac ermine]

Its like assail psyker when that was op

And shredder veteran

[spice mural]

I watched a video of one in auric using the defense debuff bonesaw and a needle pistol. Looks like a lot of fun.

[candid furnace]

I hated that

joining a game with one assail psyker and then not getting a kill for the entire game

[grand jewel]

🫃

[hallow creek]

bonesaw is the most refreshing weapon, definetly something different aside from needler

[ancient mica]

I also enjoy the Shivs much more than I thought I would

But the Crowbar just feels delightful

[radiant swift]

set my character's height to max so I can just sit my camera easily in the middle of my screen and swing

[candid furnace]

the extra damage you do just by pulling it out of them is such a cool mechanic and aesthetic

[exotic temple]

Oh no I love desperado it’s a very fun build and I think it has lots of applications. Like you can’t bitch that the class is squishy and shit on free immunity

[hallow creek]

shivs is like vanilla ice cream... its good we all knew it was good

[lilac ermine]

Set my character heihgt to max so I can cosplay junkerqueen

[ancient mica]

Yes, im not usually a knife guy.. even though its meta

[spice mural]

Tbh I normally don’t like DoT builds or classes in games but the hive scum has changed my mind on the matter.

[livid raven]

they are not the meta

the normal knife that is

[ancient mica]

Was for a while on Zealot

[hazy vector]

Why people are so dogshit in maelstrom

like holy shit

[livid raven]

how many years ago

[ancient mica]

I have just returned so maybe it’s changed

[hazy vector]

all 3 die within first 2 minutes

like 7 games like this

[candid furnace]

the worst player you know is up against 50 trappers. who wins?

[haughty slate]

probably a ton of hivescum thinking their damnation builds will translate to aurics

[hazy vector]

Not all of those were hivers though

[amber sundial]

the random pox hound that ran around the map for the 10 previous minutes without dying

[hazy vector]

Also normal auric people normally good enough

maelstrom auric is complete cesspool

[haughty slate]

then I got nothing for you... shitters gonna shit?

[ancient mica]

That and that Sword that u can use to parry

[sturdy linden]

I actually feel a little bad for my teammates when i play Despacito scum tbh

[lilac ermine]

Is there way to beat 6 poxbursters coming at you close range

[ancient mica]

look im usually an Ogryn

[livid raven]

run away and let them explode on the psyker

[ancient mica]

Push

[lilac ermine]

Ok ill try that

[lilac ermine]

If you push the second one jumps on you

And the first one detonates it

[livid raven]

yeah depending on the spacing it might just not be possible

[tender marten]

If you hear multiple poxbursters you need to play them from around a corner.

[ancient mica]

True

[radiant swift]

spam push more(mainly joking poxies are fucked rn)

it's got more range then you'd think as well both the push and explosion

[north meteor]

Poe changed my mind on this. I love poison builds now

[lilac ermine]

Ogryns usually take poxburster explosion well

Ill let them explode

[north meteor]

yea honestly you just let your team die from them, let them know they're all bad because they died first, and then die shortly after from the same thing

[hazy vector]

What are HS blessings? Headtaker and death blow?

[tender marten]

Yes

[haughty slate]

Hive City Brawler or Toxic Renewal on a saw build?

[tender marten]

Brawler is very good

[manic wolf]

Both probably if you can get them

[tender marten]

Renewal is less reliable even if its good.

[haughty slate]

I would love to have both

[tender marten]

I never use renewal tbh

[haughty slate]

but I'm all out of points

15% on any kill is nice for saw but

[tender marten]

You'd be surprised how many kills you don't earn from it.

[trim wind]

brawler on pretty much any build

[manic wolf]

Nor me, but if you were gonna use it on anything it'd be the saw

[haughty slate]

yeah... I probably have enough toughness anyway

[grand jewel]

blueberries and their never ending thirst to remind me why I hate rolling steel, fucking can't do objectives and better yet, can't even stay alive doing nothing important

[plush cove]

man, that's like saying "you're immortal becasue you can perfect block 100%", it's just not practical to be immune to ranged via sliding alone lol. Especially if you're in a lot of situations where you got no room xD. Pickpocket is goated but from my Havoc games alone, a lot of situations are just simply much better with infinite ammo from Desperado lol.

plus, I think ppl use it mostly for the rending. Also, "ranged scum" doesnt necessarily have to be Desperado-specific yknow

[livid raven]

it kinda has to

[plush cove]

not really, I play stimm supply with dual pistols and dual macs a lot before and you can still do "ranged scum" with it.

[unique dagger]

Here's a video of me and homie @hot edge true duoing havoc 40 on hive scums. Enjoy!

And people say scum can't do damage. (I admit it dies so quickly lmao)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgqUQqKfxE&t=187s

[plush cove]

Pickpocket alone just enables it

[exotic temple]

I agree 100% with what you are saying I was adding context to what e was saying.

[compact oyster]

orjan gonna catch a nasty stray for even daring to do havoc 40 hive scum

[unique dagger]

class is glass and no cannon brother

[manic wolf]

But Scummer is weakest class in the game and a chore to play with no payoff from playing well, remember?

[zenith fern]

there is no glass in the cannon

[radiant swift]

who put glass in my fucking cannon

it's gonna fuck up the barrel

[manic wolf]

Thats a warcrime

[tender marten]

more like ass cannon cause they're shit

[placid drum]

I honestly dont really run pick pocket and just use desperado with chem depency to try and keep up time on it as much as i can. Also a extra 15% crit chance for my shivs feels nice with coated weapons

[haughty slate]

got em

[plush cove]

honestly tho, it's crazy to me how many more survivability talents Scum has than Vet lol, despite being glass cannon

[unique dagger]

vet has goated talents for survival tho

[compact oyster]

vet has iron will and catch a breath

[plush cove]

Vet has like Iron Will

[unique dagger]

and an insane base toughness

[compact oyster]

legit unbeatable talents in the entire game

[manic wolf]

At this point im convinced people dont even read the talent descriptions and just click buttons at random

[placid drum]

I feel that

[tender marten]

I pick talents based on the icon art.

[marble flower]

Is it just me or does anyone else prefer crowbar for the melee weapon of choice on ranged desperado builds? I see many taking the shivs but I just keep coming back to crowbar. For the little downtime between desperado it just feels better imo with the stagger it does providing more breathing room when you're actually forced to take out your melee.

[haughty slate]

imagine pulling out your melee on a desperado build

[plush cove]

i'm not saying Vet has shit survival talents, but im just saying Scum despite being "glass cannon"...they sure have A LOT of talents to keep them alive for VERY long, NOT counting abilities.

[placid drum]

Crowbar is my other pick for desperado due to the alt swing you can do on armored targets

[dim moth]

this gun SUCKS

but it's very cool

[compact oyster]

vet also has close orders drill lmao

[tender marten]

I prefer the shivs for consistency. The crowbar is good but the wind down time they have when you miss a swing in its alt fire mode has gotten me killed too many times.

[near mauve]

cowboy revolver is fun as fuck

[dim moth]

like it be so fun

[compact oyster]

hive scum requires you to be in active combat for toughness

[dim moth]

then I shoot a fucking poxwalker

and it doesn't one shot

[broken bear]

Bait used to be believable

[dim moth]

like holy fuck

[compact oyster]

all other classes have a passive toughness regen

[haughty slate]

it really do be fun

wish it got a buff

[marble flower]

My build isn't finished yet, but even once it is you can't have it up all the time right? Like there's gonna be some downtime if only a few seconds here and there.

[compact oyster]

hes being ironic lmao

[unique dagger]

bro I just did a true duo with the class ofc its satire lmao

[broken bear]

Dawg I’m at work I’m not scrolling

[compact oyster]

go back to work

[broken bear]

Nah it guy is transferring SSD to a new computer for me

[haughty slate]

With Pickpocket giving you constant ammo refills and some wacked out crit talents, you can shoot your way through pretty much everything, even without Desperado

[placid drum]

I will say i do feel like hive scum has way better fun factor for how jank it can be then most other classes

[plush cove]

I suppose it does require them to be more active

you stand still u dead

[broken bear]

Hivescum is genuine fun

It’s less of the simple hack n shoot

[compact oyster]

on ogryn braced toughness on zealot ewew on vet catch a breath on psyker quelling tougness on arbites walk it off

[broken bear]

It’s got a higher cycle of actions

[lapis raft]

vet has rly rly good one shot protection and thats about it, especially if you are melee vet and you cant utilize the 5% regen well then toughness sustain on vet i found rly bad

[compact oyster]

its my 1 genuine issue for hive scum

[broken bear]

Like most class it’s dodge hit shoot specialist

[haughty slate]

The talent tree node swaps honestly made a massive difference in my enjoyment of this class. It's friggin great now.

[exotic temple]

I run full cdr stem with chem dependency. It’s pretty much 100% up time when it matters

[near mauve]

dodge slide braced gun toughness regen is so funny

[lapis raft]

so vet is basically the 1 one shot protection node + golden thoughness, but both are very op ofc

[broken bear]

Scum is that plus stim, etc

[compact oyster]

i doubt you can call it oneshot protection against a crusher overhead

[placid drum]

My two go to classes now for games are either ogyrn or hive scum

[lapis raft]

i mean you can def tank crusher overhead as a vet

once

xd

[sturdy linden]

I haven't played any other class in a week and i feel like it's gonna suck going back

[marble flower]

In my experience I've screwed myself over a few times relying on pickpocket, by hosing down some elite or special thinking to get my ammo back, only to have a teammate do that last 1% damage and steal the kill. Have that happen a few times in a row and then you hit 0 ammo left and it feels real bad. Wish the perk could somehow function as "While under 20% ammo, if an elite dies with you having dealt 80% of the damage to it, you refill back to 20% ammo."

[placid drum]

If you play ogyrn your REALLY gonna feel it

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/aku-puddle-samurai-jack-sad-gif-15786053

[boreal sentinel]

just kill something with your melee lmao

[amber sapphire]

despasito speed crack addiction is real

[manic wolf]

I guess you're maining Scummer from now on then

[dim moth]

like really how is this gun real

[plush cove]

im gonna stop playing scum tho, cuz it's gonna wreck my muscle memory

for a bit

[haughty slate]

I feel ya there but the node is broken enough as it is

[haughty slate]

skill issue

[near mauve]

funny adms

it can melt reapers

but not the might poxwalker ig

[sturdy linden]

Why is it not oneshotting them

[marble flower]

The really bad thing is that it incentivizes me to be a bad teammate and run ahead of the team a little so I can kill all the specials/elites before my team can kill steal 🤣

[placid drum]

Yea thats how i felt a few times using pickpocket so i simply went from the vultures mark tree to chem depency so i get more cooldown and have 15% crit on my shivs as a solid back up choice if oops gun out of ammo

[haughty slate]

sheeeit that's just playing scum! them slow-asses will catch up and then they can have the remains

[compact oyster]

i be scumming it

[dim moth]

because the fanning revolver fucks (fucking sucks)

like it hasn't been buffed since it was added like a year or more ago

[near mauve]

that's just what being a frontliner implies

[dim moth]

and it was bad when it was added

[marble flower]

Oh shit, I forgot fan the hammer revolver exists. Could that be kinda broken and good with desperado?

[compact oyster]

id say its strong

[marble flower]

on paper it sounds cool

[near mauve]

it fills a weirdly decent boss killing role

other than that its a cool factor gun

[high gull]

I can

I literally got true survivor after tanking a crusher overhead on H37

[compact oyster]

insane

[zealous ravine]

fanning revolvers aint even the coolest gun no more...

[placid drum]

The crusher gave ya the gamer dent as payment for true survivor

[compact oyster]

that toughness do be reductioned

[marble flower]

After spending over 10k at Melk's for NOTHING, thank you brunt good sir

[near mauve]

i got true survivor after being carried
We are NOT the same

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/whomp-mario-mario64-gaming-gif-27306995

[zealous ravine]

ermm ermmm is 400 real or not

[near mauve]

its not a true 3+

[limber cradle]

That's a 2 stam, it needs to be 410 to be 3

[amber sapphire]

fake one

[near mauve]

its so over....

[limber cradle]

Sorry man

[zealous ravine]

its hecking over

[manic wolf]

Brunt just cucked you even more

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/r8VcandAsY.gif

[marble flower]

it literally say +3?

[near mauve]

i just get all my curios from checking the shop or luck
milk is a waste

[amber sundial]

its fake

it rounds down to two

[zealous ravine]

yeah but this game is ma de by fatshark

[manic wolf]

410+ or not a real +3

[compact oyster]

btw

[marble flower]

FUCK ME

[limber cradle]

Rounding error, like when you get a 4 80 1 61 gun

[haughty slate]

OKAYYYY!

[near mauve]

real 3+ stam curios are above 410 rating cause fatshark logic

[compact oyster]

a fake 3 curio still gives you extra stamina

[amber sapphire]

There is a bug / rounding error, that only 410+ base curio gives actual 3 stam

[compact oyster]

just not an entire bar

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/bTEoF.gif

[marble flower]

Okay so while I'm still on the hunt for a true +3, if its a rounding error does that curio still give me more total stamina than a +2?

[tight musk]

Changing my Scum into a dude and calling him Mr Horizontal because...that's what scum do, they go horizontal.

[marble flower]

If so it isn't entirely worthless

[haughty slate]

Is there a reason to ever not take Anarchist aura?

[lilac ermine]

If another hive scum has it

[haughty slate]

It don't stack?

[tight musk]

Auras do not stack.

[placid drum]

Auras dont stack

[haughty slate]

[placid drum]

Yea thats why if im in a match and i see 3 hive scum with the same aura i just go into my build and switch mine

[amber sapphire]

Honestly, not sure.

[trim wind]

it will just be 2

[rotund agate]

I feel like Chaxe sucks on scum. I tried making it work, but its bad dodges make it very hard to avoid anything...

[opal bramble]

400 curio with +3 Stam gives 3 Stam currently. Put it on and count the bars

[zealous ravine]

chainaxe was miserable

[wanton prawn]

chaxe was fine, but I did only use it for levelinng my scum

[sturdy linden]

I mean, a scum with chaxe still has as much dodge as any other class with a nimble melee

[compact oyster]

chainaxe was miserable cause it wasnt a 2 hander

[sturdy linden]

And chaxe damage is wild

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-berzerker-warhammer40k-chainaxe-chaos-space-marine-khorne-gif-16797644

[haughty slate]

did they get rid of additional stam bars?

mine always reads 4 bars

[amber sapphire]

change in settings

[woeful hill]

its a Hud bug, its not actually giving +3

[opal bramble]

There's an option in the yi menu to display number

[wanton prawn]

It's a visual change, you can go into the options and get the old setting back

[haughty slate]

preciate it Guts

[compact oyster]

a 400 stamina curio gives you 2.9 stamina

[opal bramble]

I can check again in a sec, but im pretty sure it gave me the HS atk speed buff correctly

[amber sapphire]

Waiting for a final chapter before my death is a life long gamble

[rough perch]

Does hypercritical work for range?

[trim wind]

the stam curio bug has been with us a long while

[compact oyster]

any day now

[bronze glade]

This has been a known issue for some time

[north meteor]

no apparently

[trim wind]

melee only

[marble flower]

Oh, if thats the case then it's definitely an improvement over my 370 +2 stamina curio and really not that worth to chase for a perfect +3

[rough perch]

sadge

[compact oyster]

looks prettier and you get the benefits of an extra bar

[limber cradle]

You'll get one eventually man, I believe.

[compact oyster]

like hive scum's attack speed stamina thingy

[calm aurora]

Oo

[opal bramble]

I know, I'm here way too much. I wouldn't be saying it if I didn't think I saw it with my eyes. I'm checking when I get off the shitter regardless

[bronze glade]

Make sure you check in a live game

[haughty slate]

your profile goes crazy dawg

[bronze glade]

Psyk is wrong apparently

[opal bramble]

I don't even know how to check a non-live game

[limber cradle]

Is your name a reference to the video

[north meteor]

ayo

[marble flower]

Shit, I just realized that yeah, 0.9 doesn't actually do anything for that perk, I'd have to hit the full threshold of another bar for it matter. The hunt continues!

[opal bramble]

Video? I'm an ogryn main, and gunch just sounded like a sound they would make

[amber sapphire]

What hiveussy does to a man

[limber cradle]

Enjoy, it's seasonal https://youtu.be/PWmatn0gGtE?si=PJGBZOvb8kOgIEUk

[compact oyster]

unc done lost his mind

[haughty slate]

the hair IS cute ngl

[compact oyster]

oh nah unc is interrested

[limber cradle]

This is some #general-chat behavior

[hazy vector]

ok hsword is meh

combat axe way better

[tight musk]

What the fuck.

A bot completely ignored me when I got dogged, even tho he was right next to me.

[woeful hill]

yes

[marble flower]

Okay after only a little preliminary playing around in the psych with hammer fan revolver for desperado, yeah this thing prettymuch sucks compared to dual autopistols. I guess its better into carapace but the autopistols just perform better overall

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-kairos-fateweaver-warhammer3-tzeentch-gif-26150136

[bronze glade]

Yeah cuz agrivolver is kinda not very good in general lol

[haughty slate]

they're becoming sentient

[versed spruce]

Watching my bot deadass spam light attacks into chaff with a dclaw while I'm trapped next to them

[amber sundial]

revive priority upped, saving teammates priority downed 🥀

[compact oyster]

fun fact

darktide bots still operate on vermintide gameplay logic

theyd be godlike in vt2 matches

but theyre bums in darktide matches

[versed spruce]

I mean VT2 bots use their abilities

[limber cradle]

Sometimes the bot does some mind boggling good play

[versed spruce]

Even if not amazingly

[compact oyster]

inb4 ainz says im wrong

[neon fern]

they still ass in vt2

[versed spruce]

Ye

[neon fern]

but they're slightly better cuz they can carry books

and potions and shit

[limber cradle]

IB Bardin bot is better than most IB players

[neon fern]

u need to see my ib

i will redeem my clan

[versed spruce]

Bots in DT will always be vet and they will never use grenades or abilities

[marble flower]

They're the abominable intelligence, we cannot trust bots to do the emperor's holy work

[placid drum]

When i played vermintide 2 i played either slayer bardin or engineer

[haughty slate]

I miss Bardin man

[limber cradle]

I was recently told he's melk and I can't unhear it

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'd be down for VT2 eventually

[neon fern]

i'll re-install soon

[haughty slate]

I wish Melk sang beautiful shanties at me

I can't tell you how bad I want speedloader to work with the needle pistol

like I'm bout to cry

[limber cradle]

I cant stop rewatching the Gunch

[neon fern]

can they just rework the auric board already and get rid of all the boring ass maelstroms

[hazy vector]

These contracts go oop!

[hardy maple]

https://tenor.com/view/edna-mode-newspaper-incredibles-gif-13839758

[neat delta]

Why does scum have access to bistol but not bolter

[dim moth]

man

[radiant swift]

what are we thinking for the tac axes for hive scum

[astral coral]

has hypercritical been fixed with the patch from 2 days ago?

[neon fern]

extremely good

[neon fern]

yes

[radiant swift]

BM + shred or decimator or headtaker

[astral coral]

worth picking it up then?

[neon fern]

the bugged interaction with precision has been fixed

[haughty slate]

something tells me taxe is just a better version of the saw right now

[grand jewel]

big damage

[neon fern]

extremely so

[grand jewel]

hyper crit goes pretty hard now

[dim moth]

just filling my burning need for limb damage penalties to be removed

[grand jewel]

filling? 🥺

[radiant swift]

kinda wierd for the hive scum to have a big clunky weapon gameplay wise

also I imagine it'd be disgustingly broken

[raven matrix]

how to build crowbar?

[grand jewel]

Bend a metal pole

[raven matrix]

yeah I should have rephrased that. what perks and blessings for crowbar?

[ancient basin]

power stim, rampage rending node, 30% power on 3 special kills blessing

Big overheads on crushers

big golf swings on hordes

[sturdy linden]

I think if you give a Desperado scum access to bolter, you completely invalidate the game

[grand jewel]

wouldn't you like to know

[raven matrix]

YES THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING

[versed spruce]

Because they know the children yearn for the lethal proximity

[limber cradle]

Old ES Vet vibes

[grand jewel]

stagger rending and whatever can opener is called

are popular

[hallow creek]

bolter doesnt do that much clear once you start getting dense carapace, especially after the health buff. but for anything else yes

[compact oyster]

i wouldnt use the stub pistols anymore thats for sure

[astral coral]

should I drop "Like the Wind" or "Chem Fortified" ?

[manic wolf]

The real answer is Hadron would go into meldown if someone as low as hive scum were to touch the Emperor's holy boltgun

[radiant swift]

something I am realizing about HS, it is very hard to rez under pressure

[sturdy linden]

Depends

[radiant swift]

it's coming up enough i'm considering swaping stamina regen to res speed

[sturdy linden]

If you have chem grenade or blackouts it's more than fine

Especially considering your stam regen

[radiant swift]

it's more so getting shot at (while not having desperado)

[bronze glade]

Just take 9 stam

It's what I do

[radiant swift]

i'm good thanks, also not quite the kind of pressure I am having trouble with

talking mainly toughness breaks from being shot(while using a rampage build)

[bronze glade]

Clear out shit first

[opal bramble]

@woeful hill @bronze glade y'all were right, it doesn't count it in an actual mission, but does in the meat grinder. I misremembered seeing it in there I guess

[radiant swift]

that is what I am realizing yes

[opal bramble]

(the +3 stam at 400 curio)

[bronze glade]

Burst of energy and tis but a scratch will have you covered in some situations

[bronze glade]

Yeah it's a shitty bug

[opal bramble]

that said, how much stamina should I have base as a hive scum with a bolt pistol? Does the gun give extra base stamina?

[bronze glade]

You really only need to take stamina if you want extra attack speef

[compact depot]

got back into darktide is this class fun

[bronze glade]

Otherwise I don't take stamina

[last marsh]

nah shit class. cant even do damage

yes its fun lol

[bronze glade]

HIV has by default the best stamina economy in the game

[last marsh]

do crack and kill ppl

[bronze glade]

HIV so trash!

[last marsh]

inject estrogen into ppl and they explode

[compact depot]

is it more fun than ogre tho

[last marsh]

yes but no but yes.

[compact depot]

okay

[last marsh]

does the class work now? yeah mostly, i think.

is the class fun? if you like high risk, high reward gameplay

[fair oar]

HIV isnt a good abbreviation any agreers

[bronze glade]

No

[last marsh]

class relies a lot on dodging, more so than any other class, to live and theres very little safety nets for failure

[winter galleon]

i mean HIV fits in hivescum circles given they are druggies

[neat delta]

Yeah

[warped grove]

"b- b- but the class doesn´t do as much dps as psyker and has less health!!!!"

[last marsh]

heavy sword go swing

[warped grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854758481566105611/1433348903943802900/image.gif

[fair oar]

True but who cares I like pistols

[last marsh]

ya

[warped grove]

I love mac 10 desperado

[last marsh]

class has sauce

[warped grove]

close enough, welcome back The Son from Hotline Miami 2

[last marsh]

numbers can come later but -- GOTTA GET A GRIP

-- what matters is that its fun (to me)

[warped grove]

Chemical Dependency and Desperado

https://tenor.com/view/billy-crystal-gif-20878197

[woeful hill]

Offline (solo mod/testing room) is different then online

[last marsh]

also take note im not a sweaty person and i dont play havoc

[opal bramble]

I was in meat grinder in game, but it's still broken there. I just don't know if meat grinder is "offline" or not

[last marsh]

i just swing dat thang

[last marsh]

aka i wait for nerds to give me builds and i hop on and smack stuff

[warped grove]

Ive used all 3 builds, desperado is the most addicting so far

[last marsh]

is good

i feel the same way about rampage

[warped grove]

Activate ult, run in and kill everything and your ult usually stays on till then

[uncut moss]

Does pocket toxin work with the rocket launcher and stun grenades?

[muted pivot]

what do we like for the dual autos?

[amber sundial]

it does, if it didnt it'd be a dead talent

[muted pivot]

I'm dumping mobility and have gone flak/elite, blaze away/run and gun

is this de wae, or is there a better one?

[warped grove]

yes

any grenade (even chems, I guess)

[sturdy linden]

dual autos have run and gun functionality built in. Better to go speedload

[uncut moss]

neat

[muted pivot]

oh wow speedload looks better than I was expecting

only skim read it before

reload blessings don't seem as sexy, but the reload on it is really annoying usually

[sturdy linden]

it's goated for more shooty during despacito

[ancient basin]

more boolet

try an attack speed stim on dual smg some time, even faster fire rate

[muted pivot]

do I want flak/elite, or something else?

[livid raven]

do flak maniac

[muted pivot]

I got flak carapace shivs to go with it

with flesh tearer uncanny

[bronze glade]

DAP speed load doesn't stack with the reload speed talent right?

[lilac ermine]

Whats DAP

[reef spoke]

Dual Auto Pistols

[tight musk]

Almost finished getting a teammate up and then rampage is like "fuck you, zero stamina" and I couldn't pick up the teammate.

God, I hate this shit.

[lilac ermine]

I use both talent and blessing but if I dont need blessing then

Thats let me use another

[kind mist]

Sliding into pickup is normally enough time to get them up without getting any hits in.

[tight musk]

I didn't get hit, I lost all stamina from Rampage ending and that instantly canceled the revive.

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-wallet-i-am-broke-no-money-no-cash-gif-24120042

Stamina stocks getting high

[tight musk]

I really hate the downside that rampage has, it feels horrible.

It just makes me not want to use it.

[fair oar]

So dont. Embrace the guns

[rotund needle]

Then don't bro it's simple. Rampage last for multiple minutes if you're good at the game

[hasty agate]

What is the best blessing combination for dual autopistols?

[fair oar]

Blaze away speedload

[kind mist]

dual auto blessings are flexible.

[hasty agate]

What kind of mileage does pinning fire get?

[tight musk]

If I'm making a melee build that doesn't use Sample Collector and doesn't really work with Stimm Supply, I have to use Rampage, there's no other option for melee.

[bronze glade]

It's not that bad at all

[radiant swift]

I won't say it's a nonissue

but it's not a big deal

[bronze glade]

It's pretty easy to work around yeah

It's basically entirely within your control

[tight musk]

I can't really work around it when I need to pick up a teammate right here and right now and then rampage ends and instantly cancels the revive cause I run out of stamina.

[bronze glade]

You have time. You don't need to pick up a teammate immediately

Sustain rampage by killing the threats first

Then pick them up

You can always take the Stamina recovery talent too

There's a lot of ways to do this

[tight musk]

The teammate was literally about to fully die, cause they were in a fire for a while and were getting shot for a while by enemies we couldn't really focus on.

[bronze glade]

Too bad for them then

[lilac ermine]

Let go of them

[rough bison]

god DP is so much fun

[manic wolf]

Jesus I hope noone takes that out of context

[radiant swift]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5273247718297236208

[rough bison]

i can take on so many guys

[woeful hill]

meat ginder is the test room, so yes. Offline

[tight musk]

In a fight?

[fair oar]

I think after 2 it's no longer dp

[rough bison]

it's hardly a fight

[trim wind]

adult wrestling

[lilac ermine]

Really I havent anyone using double barrel yet

[mighty belfry]

It's very good.

Like, genuinely surprisingly good #hivescum-class message

[random shuttle]

Woo new keyboard all set up

Feels weird, as usual.

[dreamy rover]

Just jam on them a bit like its your piano

[random shuttle]

Oh just a few days to adjust with its weirdo magnetic keys.

[pearl ore]

Why is paced stub shooting into a horde so fun?

[signal nebula]

Havoc?

[broken bear]

Let them die

[turbid fulcrum]

Do you happen to have the build for this?

[tight musk]

Why should I let a teammate die when I can very reasonably save them?
Or could, if my ability didn't fuck me for no particular reason.

[mighty belfry]

No actually.

It was a high intensity atonement

[signal nebula]

Fun

[mighty belfry]

I don't think I've ever done that kind of damage on an auric before.

I definitely want to take it into havoc

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08eaf88-054e-4679-aa8a-3a67fad25ffa/this-is-dumb

[turbid fulcrum]

Thanks!

[broken bear]

Cuz it ain’t always the move

[mighty belfry]

It also works with shivs but I'd trade Battering Strikes for A Tertium Welcome for better single target

[livid raven]

ehrm

[rapid mango]

save them if its safe to do so, otherwise, pull back the team and try to get a close res if its reasonable to do so

[livid raven]

the weak should die for the strong, maybe

[mighty belfry]

Because sometimes, your teammates are floor inspectors that put themselves in a bad spot

[torpid cloud]

I am of the opinion that hivescum

Is a support

Okay hear me out.

• We can horde clear like no tomorrow.
• we can (if running desperado) shut down huge swarms of gunners that are suppressing our allies
• we make excellent attack dogs that shut down priority targets and can chunk bosses
• desperado makes picking up teammates much easier since we can just ignore gunfire

But we are very brittle and reliant on our team to help out with certain targets/ huge swarms where there's not just one point the entire enemy force funnels through

[rapid mango]

one dead teammate is better than 2 dead

[livid raven]

that's the opposite of a support

[dense hollow]

it's better to have 3 people that are alive than 3 people that got fucked because they got baited by their downed teammate doused in 5 different aoe effects and infront of reapers

[torpid cloud]

It's a uh
Offensive support
Damage support

[final temple]

I support by shooting things dead. real gud.

[loud herald]

I absolutely am letting a teammate die if they're in an unrecoverable spot

[mighty belfry]

Tbf good stimm supply is actually a good utility ability for support

[loud herald]

i'm not gonna troll the rest of my team by trying to save them if it's too much to do

on my own

I don't like leaving them for dead but sometimes you gotta

[torpid cloud]

My ogryn senses kick in so I usually go for a hail maryto save anyone who's down

[loud herald]

typically same but I can't do that all the time on scummers

[tight musk]

It was very easily recoverable after the fire went away.

[torpid cloud]

With some creativity it's usually possible, but I only play on auric so what do I know

[mighty belfry]

You're also an ogryn. You can take that risk more than most.

[loud herald]

i'm saying generally

[torpid cloud]

This carries over to my scum

[dense hollow]

with revive speed curios and the shout on rampage end there should be no situation where you can't revive someone in that scenario

[rapid mango]

if your stamina breaks, its not safe to res. if your toughness breaks, its not safe to res

[foggy phoenix]

I'm of the opinion that HS will fold the moment rotten armor shows up as a modifier again, and no amount of grenade pickups will give them enough blitz charges to save themselves from the wall of ogryn meat they'll inevitably have to face.

[mighty belfry]

It's not that bad lol

[loud herald]

I even run revive speed on all 3 curios on my ogryn

[rapid mango]

hear me out... leave it to the inferno psyker

[hardy maple]

always secure your own survival first before trying to save someone else, ive seen many people make a bad situation worse by trying to save someone as soon as they went down

[sturdy linden]

there's a lot of anti-carapace melees available though idk

I think that's kinda cope

[torpid cloud]

Oh yes we do
I get the hell putts dodge if I see a wall of ogryn coming towards me

[mighty belfry]

I seriously don't see where people continue to get this impression that hive scum has no damage against crushers

[hardy maple]

netting though you should always be able to get someone out of netting

[loud herald]

I did this way too many times than i'd care to admit by trying to help get people back up only to get deleted myself and then now there's 2 people trying to stave off a giant horde lol

[kind mist]

shivs, knife, chainaxe, crobar are super effective carapace weapons.

[hardy maple]

2-3 heavy shank crits do the job

[rapid mango]

hive scum too weak pls buff, all glass no cannon pls buff

ignore the soloing of daemonhosts for fun, that means nothing

[torpid cloud]

We do, sure, but it depends on build and setup

[loud herald]

do people actually have that impression

[compact oyster]

crobar

[final temple]

I think by now people just parrot

[torpid cloud]

I love that. Crobar

[mighty belfry]

Like it's straight up just ignoring their kit to say that at this point.

[hardy maple]

you arent gonna be doing much i dont think (I havent tried) shooting the crusher with your dual autopistols is gonna do much

[loud herald]

i'm only 26 on my hive scum but I soloed a 6-7 ish crusher pack by just playing good with my shivs and they kept getting deleted one by one lol

on auric

[foggy phoenix]

The crowbar is meh.
All hail the tac-axe.

[sturdy linden]

there ARE other things you can do that don't involve autopistols though

[main wagon]

“My Zerg build I got from YouTube isn’t good at shooting them and I’m too dogshit to engage with the melee combat loop of the melee focused horde shooter”

Probably idk

[hardy maple]

oh 100% im just thinking of an example where a scum doesnt do much against carapace

[reef spoke]

If only the hive scum had a pistol that could annihilate crushers with ease

[main wagon]

I tend to stay away from Twitter, Reddit, all the crying spots

[winter galleon]

still annoyed that effectively lost a talent point with the patch if go into vultures mark since they moved reload, makes me prefer chem dependancy more except not a fan of the mandatory stimming during any downtime occassionally

[torpid cloud]

Actually von someone help me figure out the blessings my crowbar should have if I just want an answer to carprace on my desperado builds

[foggy phoenix]

There's no need to larp as freeman when you apply poison literally every other hit with the tac axe on a crit build.
Left click anything- Including crushers, to death.
In a span of seconds.

[hardy maple]

make sure you sit still while we take your picture
Me:

[main wagon]

I made a mental rule years ago that “if you see something unfathomably stupid get off the app you’re on and do literally anything else”

[kind mist]

Canopener, hit them twice and go back to shooting

[foggy phoenix]

All the crowbar does is give you misery.

[loud herald]

dude I hate this bug lol

so much

[mighty belfry]

If only hive scum had means to apply dots that almost completely ignore armor.

[compact oyster]

aight imma head out

[foggy phoenix]

They... Do

[loud herald]

it was sarcasm lol

[torpid cloud]

That's... The point

[hardy maple]

I got precog and uncanny on my shivs what do i want for perks?

[sturdy linden]

off the top of my head, dealing with crushers on a full desperado build:

1. rocket
2. chem grenade
3. uncanny shivs
4. chaxe
5. crowbar
6. caxe / taxe

Like anybody who thinks they're bad into carapace is just coping at this point

[loud herald]

wondering this myself

[calm aurora]

He deleted his old posts btw

[main wagon]

Goblin has sarcasm dripping from their mouth like a cartoon bear with honey rn

[tender marten]

Carapace elite on mine

[torpid cloud]

Chem grenade?

[loud herald]

eyyyyyy booboo

[dense hollow]

is chaxe really that good though on a desperado build without much melee power? i haven't used it on HS in desperado

[reef spoke]

I just wish hive scum had some easier methods to do objectives with besides chem nades but that's a shitty teammates problem rather than hive scum

Crushers are a non-issue

[sturdy linden]

chaxe damage is very good in general, and even on a left side build you pick up some generic damage on the way

[radiant swift]

it applies stacks, why not?

[sturdy linden]

tox is OP vs carapace

[lilac ermine]

How does hive scum solo demonhost

[radiant swift]

really can use tox stunners too

[loud herald]

blackout grenades with the talent that applies toxin stacks on grenade hit is beyond fun for me I cannot lie to you guys

[radiant swift]

dodge carefully back and fourth opposite it's swings

[sturdy linden]

it's less effective because iirc blackouts don't hard stagger ogryns, though they do soft stagger them

[torpid cloud]

Yah, it just struck me more as a way to deny a mixed horde more than... Crushers

[sturdy linden]

they hard stagger all else though

[loud herald]

sometimes blackouts do hard stagger them in my experience

[lilac ermine]

With the box build and tox stacks?

[loud herald]

pretty inconsistent tho

[final temple]

try the boomstick with it. nothing says ‘lowlife’ like a tactical nuke.

[sturdy linden]

yeah I mean, just saying. Most mixed hordes have some carapace tossed in

[torpid cloud]

That's what I run

I love those things, can't go without them

[radiant swift]

ye, but does apply tox so helps quite a bit

[loud herald]

they made the boomstick better yeah? it isn't just a worse krak now?

[reef spoke]

Very big buff

[radiant swift]

I mean that's just generally how you solo daemon hosts

[mighty belfry]

Rampage can be turned into vet shout to lock it down while you wail at it. Desperado with Vulture's Dodge gives you pure immunity to damage against it.

And Hive Scum in general has crazy dodges that let you kite it more than the other classes can

[sturdy linden]

I wish I had a clip from my game earlier today where one rocket took out 3 crushers, 4 shotgunners, 2 ragers and a bulwark

[dense hollow]

boombringer does enough damage to one shot all crushers in an 8m radius

[torpid cloud]

Yup, try it
Huge blast and dmg now

[loud herald]

I have seem some pretty crazy boomsticks in my lobbies lately

[dense hollow]

does like 60-70% of crusher hp on havoc 40

[loud herald]

I guess it's time to try it lol

[reef spoke]

Boombringer is a lot more fun now

Definitely would fire into a poxwalker horde

[radiant swift]

I think you need the tox explosion on h40 for it to 1 shot

[glad latch]

Boombringer actually lives up to its name now

[dense hollow]

tox explosion's gonna add like

1k damage after 5 seconds maybe

[lilac ermine]

For vulture dodge is 35% crit enough with auto pistols

[dense hollow]

not worth taking on boombringer

[loud herald]

so don't take the grenade tox thingy on boombringer?

[radiant swift]

it does allow for it to 1 shot on h40 though. but i agree

[mighty belfry]

You probably want a fast firing weapon.

[glad latch]

Not really needed, even for bossing.

[reef spoke]

You should be able get better value from another talent

[dense hollow]

you don't need grenade tox talent to one shot outside havoc 40

[loud herald]

fair

I use my talent elsewhere then

[dense hollow]

and you can't one shot in havoc 40 with the tox talent

[lilac ermine]

Whats everyone think abt the vulture talent that extends to 12s vs the one that knocks every thing back

[dense hollow]

it's not really that valuable on the boombringer

[reef spoke]

It also has 3 rockets now instead of 2

[versed spruce]

Heh... it might not be safe for you to be associated with me.. kid....

[dense hollow]

the one that staggers enemies close to you is bait

[radiant swift]

can you not? I was sure I saw a video of some one doing just that in the physk

[winter galleon]

increased duration is nice but theres better talents

before patch was easier to take

[mighty belfry]

Personally, Vraks IAG with Desperado and Vulture's Dodge is bonkers

[lilac ermine]

Dangg

[reef spoke]

I like the 12 sec duration because the stagger talent is Light so it's like 1-2 sec safety at best

[sturdy linden]

knockback is really irrelevant

[sharp drum]

it is now very easy to keep 4 stacks of chem dependancy even with a maxed stim

[versed spruce]

Nerf Vulture Dodge and buff Vulture Knockback :^)

[reef spoke]

VoC knockback tier pls UwU

[winter galleon]

i like chem dependancy but sometimes its annoying stimming right at end of a fight because got to take an elevator or something,

[reef spoke]

Kill more people

[radiant swift]

cooldown stims feel less bad doing that

[versed spruce]

Give Cheap Shots or whatever it's called ANY REASON TO EXIST PLEASE

[astral sundial]

Is hypercrit fixed yet?

[reef spoke]

Indeed :c

[dense hollow]

cheap shots is so bait on hive scum it's not even funny

[lilac ermine]

Cheap shots should work with any stagger

[dense hollow]

like what do you use it with

[reef spoke]

The toughness gain not applying issue?

[dense hollow]

crowbar? they have to be fully staggered

[radiant swift]

I mean

stunners

[versed spruce]

Crowbar, the dedicated stagger weapon, can't even proc it

[astral sundial]

No idea. just heard that hypercritical was broken

[sturdy linden]

blackout probably, but it's just a very mid winmore node

[radiant swift]

still not a good talent, but it does work well with blackout

[versed spruce]

Idk, doesn't seem that huge imo

[reef spoke]

Ah, the biggest issue was you didn't get toughness back on kills. It seems fixed on my end

[versed spruce]

It's something at least but still

[dense hollow]

cheap shots giving 15% more damage against the enemies that can die very fast regardless isn't really that big of a deal

[radiant swift]

if you have like an explosive ogryn maybe be a use case where it's ok

[versed spruce]

Yeah your strongest enemies aren't even getting Fully Staggered by blackouts

[dense hollow]

rumbler ogryn could help proc cheap shots so if you have that build archetype spamming rumbler shots everywhere i guess you could benefit from it

[versed spruce]

So you can kill small elites/specials and chaff 15% faster after using a blackout

[mighty belfry]

Also, if you're actually crazy enough to try and solo a DH with stimm supply and just dodging, stimm supply completely nullifies their corruption damage

[radiant swift]

soloing a dh is less complicated then you'd think (in theory) just really easy to fuck up when other factors get inolved

[reef spoke]

Ledges 😭

[radiant swift]

dodge the same direction as they swipe is fairly consistent with no external factors

[astral sundial]

Ah okay. Ty for the info

^^

[left plume]

Devils Claw go brrr

[mighty belfry]

It's less complicated but Hive Scum having nimble makes a significant difference in making it more viable to do under pressure.

[reef spoke]

Fuck up those maulers 💪

[radiant swift]

as in making it harder or easier?

[mighty belfry]

Easier.

[radiant swift]

ah yeah I see now

[mighty belfry]

Just gotta make sure you're not in a really closed in space.

Which isn't always possible but, then it was just never meant to be anyway

[dim moth]

yeah it's not like a chaos spawn a dh isn't going to jam you into every bit of chest high cover on the map

so you just dodge in a circle until you win

[mighty belfry]

Max stamina also helps lol

I'm considering Hive Scum may be the one class you want to just have all stamina curios on

[woeful hill]

yes.

[dim moth]

attack speed gaming

[dim moth]

you missed a node

can't just leave it incomplete

[grand jewel]

stack hyper violence on trash and 1 shot it

[mighty belfry]

Fill the last node. Please I'm begging you.

[grand jewel]

[versed spruce]

HS top part of tree looks kind of like a D20

[keen timber]

slightly too many sides

[keen timber]

what was that?

[loud herald]

my head hurts looking at this

[haughty slate]

is there a maximum amount of reload speed?

[sleek grove]

The amount of literally brain dead Hive Scum you find in Havoc is insane

[woeful hill]

sorry

[sleek grove]

Just had an aneurism on a Havoc 34 with a god damn desperado HS picking up every single god damn ammo