hivescum-class

[livid raven]

don't you love when you have a team of 3 melee scum and 1 flamer psyker and the psyker not only does he do the least damage out of everyone but also takes a total of 1.1k damage

[main wagon]

Also new rocket pretty gud

[north meteor]

I mostly play psyker and hive scum and I perform fine. But when I play zealot, Im going in to be support only (especially because people don't know how to deal with burster bug atm, and book just works for that)

[dim moth]

I wouldn't waste my time playing book zealot for support

[torpid cloud]

How

[storm patio]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-simpsons-gif-21258017

[dim moth]

I would just play voc veteran

the direct upgrade to it

[torn ember]

1.1k? Was the Psyker asleep?

You mean 1.1m?

[livid raven]

1.1k damage received

1100

[exotic temple]

Lol bolter desperado hive scum would be hilarious

[north meteor]

I mean that's fair. I just don't have a Vet leveled

[torn ember]

oooohhhh okay

[main wagon]

The RoF would be so beautiful

[random shuttle]

Desperanto is one thing

[livid raven]

he was m1 the bursters

[tender forge]

Noone should play bubble psyker, taunt ogryn, shout, or book zealot

[random shuttle]

but Bolter + Pickpocket

[tender forge]

Only dps all the time

[near mauve]

i think support zealot is just funny to me
the entire point of going zealot is frontlining and killing shit and spamming your high dmging ults

[livid raven]

he died three times to bursters

[random shuttle]

would be downright criminal

[near mauve]

just play voc if u wanna spam "support"

[torpid cloud]

Man I wish I could make the double barrel work better

[north meteor]

best thing about purge staff is that you can use bubble and still dps

[blazing cove]

Ive just switched to book because all my characters take the "berserker rush time!" Ult and it was getting very samey.

I think its very useful in over confident PUBS to prevent team wipes... You just need to only pull it out when its actually needed.

I do agree the others are better pocks though.

[tender forge]

Yeah you know what ban that too its a crutch

[north meteor]

honestly fair

Surge staff takes skill

[dim moth]

I personally find the best way to prevent team wipes is to just kill enemies that cause team wipes

Which book cannot assist with in any way

[torpid cloud]

Like zealots not liking if I wanna run my beloved dueling sword on a zealot

Too op they say
Fun I say

[brittle sierra]

Just kill everything 😈

[tender forge]

Because a book user has no weapons

[limber cradle]

I find book zealots do not use their ability proactively very often

[livid raven]

hardly op

[limber cradle]

Its only after someone dies the book comes out

[blazing cove]

When they all fuck up and a crusher pack is bulldozing them, its a better save imo. But its niche.

The charge is better, I just find it boring cos I use similar things on other characters. Not gonna pretend it isnt better

[stoic halo]

you had it in the first half

[north meteor]

I find book great at making space to move to a better location a lot of the time. Which that being said, you just bubble psyker or shout vet and get the same result without being locked in animation

[stoic halo]

you lost it in the second half

[livid raven]

or like

2 blinder grenades

[near mauve]

the cdr nerf made people save it
pre nerf book zealot entire offense existed to farm cdr lol

[brittle sierra]

I lost it from the start

[near mauve]

24/7 book

[random shuttle]

It is funny to be

how Scum has now selection of best blitzes

[north meteor]

the good ole days

[limber cradle]

I was thinking about that recently too

[blazing cove]

The rocket insults my ogryn frag nuke

[north meteor]

I still need to have a blinder build

[limber cradle]

They have better flashes, better fire nade, and a pretty fuckin good area removal too

[north meteor]

chem nades are too fun

[dim moth]

Do you think for a fucking second that I consider "oh the stagger will let the others kill them" to be an acceptable method of preventing team wipes?

I wouldn't think book was a shit ability if I trusted my teammates

Even good players

If there is a problem and you can see it you should kill it

And if you can't that means your build has a gaping hole in it that you need to fix

[blazing cove]

I think the books better the shitter people are lol

[verbal orbit]

Book is a good boss bullying tool

[north plank]

damn we are having the book conversation again?

[dim moth]

No

2 staggers is comically outclassed by the other zealot abilities

Veterns with krak grenades

Ogryn anything

[north meteor]

you know what, valid. I hate when I ping a trapper while using book and its alive still for more than 3 seconds

[dim moth]

The other zealot abilities just kill the boss outright

Chorus is uniquely shit at boss bullying on zealot

This is what it is weakest at compared to Fury and Shroud

[blazing cove]

Saved borked situations with it too often to agree. Trick is not relying on it and not actually contributing.

The charge is hands down better though for sure

[north meteor]

BUT you can knock them off the edge in very niche scenarios

[verbal orbit]

If your team can't finish off a boss with about 8 seconds of gimme time then your teams damage is garbage.

Mind you Book is still bad overall.

[dim moth]

You can finish it off yourself in 2 seconds with Fury or Shroudfield

From full, on havoc 40

[north meteor]

Also though, I'd much rather see a book zealot than a shroud zealot in pubs

[main wagon]

I dont know how some players take so much damage on psyker and scum

[dim moth]

Both of them can do it

[main trellis]

You need to choose better teammates or better yet; teach them as the more experienced one; duty calls 🫡

[blazing cove]

I think we are agreeing to different extents haha

[random shuttle]

Eww, a Shart

[main wagon]

Sure they're fragile when you get hit but it's so fragging easy to just not play every single class like zealot, or if you do at least know what you're doing lol

[main trellis]

This is nice

[north plank]

This happens all the time, ppl seem convinced buildcrafting is a DPS race

[keen timber]

has the scoreboard been fixed yet?

[dim moth]

It's not a DPS race so much as it is bringing things that help do damage while Chorus actively lowers your damage by a significant amount

[north meteor]

Hive Scum good

[tender forge]

Technically book has the fastest ttk on bosses

Just knock it off a cliff

[dim moth]

Shroudfield and Fury can both be instant

[main wagon]

mfw it doesnt count the bot's tremendous contribution

[stoic halo]

brother, i'm agreeing with being proactive in solving problems ahead of time by killing specials and elites before they can be a problem, but saying that book has no place in stabilizing a situation is blatantly false.

[dim moth]

Shroudfield damn well better be instant even

Because that's the whole point of the ability

[livid raven]

bro had like 50k total damage

[north plank]

And massively increases your toughness and staggers everything around you essentially making you immortal

[main wagon]

Where are Colette (bot)'s frags?

[main trellis]

Even better; pls stop glazing

[dim moth]

It's not that it has no place it's that it is hopelessly outclassed in that place for an ability who has that as its only use case

[main wagon]

I know she solo'd 3 daemonhosts

[tight musk]

I haven't used the zealot book...like, at all.

[keen timber]

Has the scoreboard mod been fixed yet so it stops bringing up error messages near vendors?

[north meteor]

yea except no one in pubs uses it for damage. They use it to deaggro and kill their psyker

[livid raven]

the bot watched 2 times as a poxburster exploded on his face

[main trellis]

Its time to learn how 2 book then

[torn ember]

Truly, the Emperor gives his greatest challenges to his most faithful soldiers

[near mauve]

book on gloriana

is the best blitz

knock everyone down

[main trellis]

ain’t exacly prone to making good bot AI

[torn ember]

Blitz

[tight musk]

Sorry, hive scum can't read.

[pale sandal]

I feel like a video of a guy smoking Chinese Herbs finding its way onto my homepage is not coincidental

[limber cradle]

Hey don't talk shit, some of those bots do more for me than randoms.

[main trellis]

They can sponge more thats correct

[near mauve]

i mix the names up all the time

[chilly charm]

I def prefer FotF but there is something very satisfying about staggering a boss by waving an icon and yelling at them

[keen timber]

bots actually pick u up

[stoic halo]

how so? please actually explain how fotf and shroudfield overlap in role with book.

[limber cradle]

I've never had a bot continuously run 5 miles away from the team to farm numbers and repeatedly go down

[keen timber]

calling chorus "book" but not just calling fury "fury" feels hilarious

[main trellis]

Wild take to compare offensive abilities to a support one

[tight musk]

Book and dash slop.

[stoic halo]

that's my point

[limber cradle]

Dbd player

[stoic halo]

they fill different roles

[near mauve]

zealot's entire kit is designed around being as offensive as humanely possible and frontlining (you can literally ignore dying every 2 minutes) and nothing about the skill tree screams "support"

[random shuttle]

Obviously Ogryn Chorus of Insults is best book.

[abstract wasp]

Hello. Could someone please Post Meta Talents for pushing havoc on desperado ?

[main wagon]

Scum absolutely rips. I'm having a blast

[tender forge]

Now the real reason to not use book is the fact that they dont actually use a book

[vast stirrup]

Hivescum-class
look inside
Zealot discourse

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/creature-feature-the-creature-creature-gif-9724223658463006281

[near mauve]

nooooo u must always stay on topic!!!!

[limber cradle]

Some class channel has to talk about zealot

[limber cradle]

They don't

[main trellis]

Bruh pls don’t make me go ham on this take…

[keen timber]

has scoreboard been patched to not crash the game now?

[sonic pumice]

Ogryn calling every heretic snivellers on the press of a button...

[main wagon]

It was funny because even in games where I'm just chilling, not even sitting on the edge of pickpocket because Im just enjoying a good melee

[near mauve]

hamburger

[sonic pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[main wagon]

Then I find out I absolutely decimated the whole match

[near vapor]

its only called book because of the icon 💀

[main trellis]

Nooooo! Pls no food yap; i came to work & all i ate were 4 taffies

[brittle sierra]

U think we can read?

[main wagon]

There's a fix in the modding server

[abstract wasp]

Can someone Post h40 Talents for Scum? Desperado

[keen timber]

ah, meh cant be fucked, ill just wait for a proper patch

[near vapor]

idk man Im just reading

[tight musk]

Extra rashuns incoming.

[brittle sierra]

Ok I got u

[north meteor]

I love how skill intensive the class is, but it having an insane payoff. At least for melee anyway. Gun Scum kinda just "press button to kill everything on screen" still a great build though

[verbal orbit]

1/3 blitzes and auras would disagree with you.

[near mauve]

which

[stoic halo]

I agree. but the thought that book and things like fury and shroud are used in the same way is a dumb argument. Book is used as a stabalizing agent for when things get so dense or out of controll that you need an immediate "this is our space" button. Fury is used to increase the base capacity of density and pressure that a zealot can handle without giving space.

[obsidian crown]

I’m still seeing a ton of floor pov gun scums

[near mauve]

ogryn taunt just does this but better

[north meteor]

fair

[main wagon]

Guilty, I am gun scum. I realized earlier that Shadow Warrior being one of my first games may have influenced my decision

[stoic halo]

this is a seperate argument and thus not relevant.

[north meteor]

rn Im having too much fun on shivs to be gun scum, but I'll eventually make a desperado build lol

[verbal orbit]

Book and the corruption clear.

[obsidian crown]

Had 3 of them rage quit my last game last night. 2 insta died, left. Third joined and died to burster immediately then left. So was just a psyker and me on high int auric on hab dreyko

[near mauve]

i remember not getting accepted into havoc when it had the green goop modifier because i didnt have cleansing aura

[main wagon]

Im baffled how much ammo some of these scum are sucking away from the fireteam though. Like I wont always be riding on the edge of pickpocket but if the homies are getting low, I know I can give up the next few boxes and fall back on it. These other scum pugs are RUTHLESS and devour everything

[near mauve]

good times

[main wagon]

After cranking out all the penances I've settled on gun scum with rocket lawnchair

[nocturne anvil]

I heard argument that optimal scum doesn't have a high uptime of peak killing power compared to the other classes and that makes them slightly weaker in terms of higher difficulty while forcing high competence from players.

[half arch]

It's DPS/TTK when cooldowns are down is like almost double what every other class can do. It feels like all risk, no reward sometimes. Like, vet can kill a boss way faster than scum can, even when scum has everything up

[main wagon]

I did not enjoy the tox build myself, although soup can is still devastating with no investment

[half arch]

I still love it, but yk.

[main wagon]

Melee with crowbar was fuggin sexy

[pulsar aspen]

@main wagon How do they take so much damage? They either suck or get fucked. Usually the first.

[main wagon]

Crowbar def needs that melee investment because imo on its own, she just aint it :(((

[obsidian crown]

Wym? Desperado isn’t needed for fast TTK

[north meteor]

I have more encounters with Ogryns dying recently than anything. I'll usually have a gun scum and ogryn go down at the same time and then the ogryn leaves lmao

[toxic dagger]

vet has a bunch of stuff that is specifically very good against bosses, I think desperado scum does much better at streetsweeping through mobility and ammo sustain. the total dmg output of a desperado uzi build is immense

[random shuttle]

I hope it's a process of learning and later down the line it will get better

[tender forge]

It should be a book in game too

[near mauve]

ive seen the funny videos where this argument happens and they forget to mention that u need powersword/ ds4 to make this happen on vet while melee scum can make anything work

[random shuttle]

literally yesterday I had a PUB team that thanked me in chat for pinging and leaving them ammo

as a despacito scum

and I was like

[north meteor]

I still need to the rest of the penances

[main wagon]

I think a lot of scum aren't taking advantage of desperado properly. They're using it to become a Helldivers 2 gatling sentry instead of using it to blitz right past the melee blob and hose down every soft gunner that all die in 1-2 shots and keep your train going

[random shuttle]

Bro, I don't need ammo

I make my own

[half arch]

Melee scum with cooldowns has like a 12 second TTK against a boss, 20 seconds without, meanwhile vet is like 7 or 9 always

[tender forge]

Also the testin was done on the saw and dual uzis

[half arch]

Excluding niche things like rocket launcher

[tender forge]

Saw is known for its fast ttks

[limber cradle]

Power Sword is Power Sword and an outlier for balance ime

[random shuttle]

as a ZOOKA main I will gobble up every nade pickup

so that's that

[tender forge]

That 20 second ttk was with a weapon whose main form of damage was a dot

[nocturne anvil]

My first impression of the crowbar was that it'd be the best melee for non-melee builds. It's funny that it isn't very good without investment...

[obsidian crown]

“I don’t pick up ammo. You give me nades. Is a fair trade”. Someone needs to make a meme out of that trade meme

[near mauve]

the testing is flawed since powersword/ds4 are beyond broken weapons that's the point
if every new thing needs to be as good as these 2 then this game is cooked

[north meteor]

Im never really say this, but this sounds more like a skill issue. I'm having a blast and usually outputting top two (and a lot of the time, the most) damage on team. I'm also melee though. Could feel like a different experience altogether

[tender forge]

Like use a rashad

[half arch]

True I can probably get faster with combat blade or taxe

[tender forge]

It should get faster ttks

[eternal quail]

cant believe powersword is still overpowered after not having played the game for 2 years

same as it ever was

[near mauve]

mfw powercreep is so high 12 second ttk is bad

[main trellis]

Watching tanner vids i see
Bad idea

[livid raven]

it has been nerfed actually

[tender forge]

Yeah both of those fellows are making slightly disengenuous points

[half arch]

Im also playing melee and top damage on the team almost every game. I'm just saying, other classes can do the same thing or better while also being way safer doing it

[tender forge]

With some biases

[stoic halo]

fr

[near mauve]

gut them

im serious

[north meteor]

I think you're really only getting away with this argument on shout vet or shroud zealot, ironically

[mortal hearth]

60 more missions till I have all penances with hive scum, having to play 100 missions is kinda excessive tho

[stoic halo]

12 second solo ttk being bad is fucking insane

[main wagon]

My go-to strategy has been

Pop desperado (+optionally stim)
Shoot a hole in the horde
Slide thru
Ventilate anything with a ranged weapon
Return to team, gun down remaining enemies, reload before desperado ends

[half arch]

Martyr zealot would like to know your location

[north plank]

Remember in Vermintide 2 when GKs double stab ult only did like 1/6th of a bosses health

[main wagon]

If I dont play like a total selfish dick shooting everything, I can still walk away with a pretty hefty contribution and insane ammo economy because you can sort of just not reload until your desperado comes back to effectively have infinite even without pickpocket

[north plank]

now we got

[north meteor]

this is usually in tandem with shroud, no?

[north plank]

RPG

Poison

Thunder Hammer

[zealous ravine]

bosses have like 9 health in this gam yea

[half arch]

I mean you run martyr with everything but nah I do charge

99% of the time

[dim moth]

stun grenades

outclass book on zealot

in terms of stalling

[north plank]

martyrdom with book...

[near vapor]

saw?

[eternal quail]

nerf player power (there will be a riot)

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/saw-gerrera-andor-crazy-saw-gif-2676523781363347074

[random shuttle]

I hear you all, guys and guyettes

[dreamy rover]

debatable

[north meteor]

piety with book is the only way

[dim moth]

FOTF and shroudfield both have shorter staggers on use

[random shuttle]

I know what we need

[dim moth]

except they kill things

[tender forge]

Anyway shout vet is not no cd

[random shuttle]

We need DARKTIDE: CLASSIC - a 1.0 Darktide release.

😏

[dim moth]

not the locks again

[toxic dagger]

who's making you?

[zealous ravine]

saw ttk is good against bosses at least

[half arch]

Marty gives you more CD back over time than the CD critical node. Like the CD based on missing health one

[cedar cairn]

tbh it's not a steam achievement and it doesn't get you anything but clout

[near mauve]

think of penances as something u do overtime and not something u grind in a week

unless u wanna lose your mind

[limber cradle]

You're not required to do the penances

[north meteor]

whats the reward for this penance again

[limber cradle]

I've played this game for 3 years and I still refuse to finish Og and Zealot penances

[drowsy relic]

Win pose

[grand jewel]

Id take in game penances over steam achievements lol

you get drip in game most of the time

tf does a steam achievement get you

[drowsy relic]

This one

[near vapor]

took me 1 year 1/2 to bother completing all zealot penances

[tranquil fjord]

why is such a penance as the missing health one only available in private matches

[drowsy relic]

Because the community asked for that lol

[tranquil fjord]

...but private matches can only be started with 2 players in a party

[cedar cairn]

I got the Ogryn 100% by accident because a Zealot ran so far ahead and went down it triggered like 3 hordes lol

[tender forge]

Malleus monstrum

[near vapor]

because back when its not, people do it on public matches and it became a hindrance to regular players

[tranquil fjord]

martyrdom builds doing martyrdom things yeah we hate that

[drowsy relic]

That one can go public now probably

[stoic halo]

stun grenades are a finite resource, removes your ability to carry knives, doesn't supply gold toughness, and also doesn't suppress gunners in nearly as wide of an area. Stun grenades are strong, but they aren't that common of a choice for a reason. In terms of opportunity cost they are worse than just playing zealot with book in a multitude of ways.

[limber cradle]

Psykers penances being "yeah literally sandbag the team" will never not be funny to me

[random shuttle]

Hank, so toxic, smh.

[dreamy rover]

That makes sense

[limber cradle]

OG 4 penance design really is something else

[drowsy relic]

That was pre marty

[dim moth]

book makes you lose half or more of your damage

[drowsy relic]

1.0 babey

[tranquil fjord]

ik

[dim moth]

how is that a worse opportunity cost than having to press 2 on your keyboard to kill specialists instead of pressing the grenade button

[near vapor]

ay remember when psyker has to do like 100% of damage for malleus

[tranquil fjord]

im just surprised it hasnt changed

its due for a rework

[stoic halo]

how so?

[near vapor]

or Vet needing 100% accuracy to complete the accuracy penance

[limber cradle]

I do, I got malleus back when it was "yeah kill the boss by yourself dumbass"

[limber cradle]

I got this one in closed beta iirc

[random shuttle]

Fortunately that one was easy

[near vapor]

I asked a random shieldgryn one day and they were kind enough to do it for me 💀

[dim moth]

I did several auric runs a while ago pre-tree rework which I should probably do more now that the rework is here to see if my hatred of Chorus is still justified

[random shuttle]

because I unlocked it by playing Ogryn

[dim moth]

Using fury and book

[random shuttle]

[dim moth]

Identical builds

[high gull]

Cheesed mine ngl

[dreamy rover]

I did that with just a magnum. Expend all the ammo

[dim moth]

martyrdom getting down to 1 wound with the first fire barrel I find

[limber cradle]

I used a combat shotgun

[dim moth]

The very act of picking chorus alone resulted in me doing about half the damage as I did when playing fury

[high gull]

Low ammo bolter

[dim moth]

on an identical build

[high gull]

Mag dumped into the bosses void shield

[cedar cairn]

That one is easy, the "no hp damage" one is the pain

[near vapor]

theres a bug on the old version where you can alt f4 a game and it resets the tracking of your accuracy

so you can go a whole game missing shots

alt f4 > come back > fire 1 shot and have no ammo left > win

[high gull]

I remember people would jump off of ledges

And purposely die

So they could be rezzed with less ammo

[neon fern]

i did this legit using plasma

[stoic halo]

-auric runs. The place where everything works and nothing matters?

[neon fern]

runs out of ammo p fast

[low harbor]

vet is 12~14s in melee solo

[dim moth]

I could do it in havoc and the numbers would be even more hopeless for book if you'd like

because zealot with fury can really flex their boss damage in havocs

and that's not a guarantee in aurics

[dreamy rover]

The cliffhanger penance?

[cedar cairn]

I just brought a regular revolver and shot a bunch of scabs point-blank lol

[dim moth]

Book absolutely demolishes your ability to do damage

[high gull]

Make every shot count

[dim moth]

Just to be a slightly worse VoC veteran

With less utility

Lower damage

And a worse stagger on your ability usage

[high gull]

You had to finish a match with like 95% accuracy as vet

So it was just easier to die

And get rescued

It took almost all your ammo away

[limber cradle]

Yeah but that's not earning it

[keen timber]

lmao

[tender forge]

I just didnt play a game to get the toughness one

Was a private game though

And we each did it

[keen timber]

nor is picking a low ammo weapon spamming into a crowd and not picking up any other ammo really

[tender forge]

Because we thought it was funny it worked that way

[keen timber]

so i dont see a problem

[dim moth]

Because like in havocs I really cannot stress enough how valuable zealots boss damage can be

[limber cradle]

I mean one of these is still playing the game and not being a burden

[dim moth]

Do you think your shitty little piss toughness is comparable to fury zealot 2 shotting melee twin?

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, just different solutions

[dim moth]

One shotting a captain?

[high gull]

These were ye olden days when power sword got them 3-4 free charged heavies with no power cycler.

[keen timber]

i mean u can play normally after the rescue

[cedar cairn]

Doing 0 ammo Veteran was NOT hard lol I just did that shit with a chainsword

[high gull]

And that infinite cleave

[dim moth]

3 bosses spawn and 2 are one shot in 10 seconds because a shroudfield zealot is actually good at the playstyle?

[turbid fulcrum]

I did this the haed way. I also got the on overwatch penance before the talent trees were a thing in the early days. Nerve-wrecking.

[keen timber]

does PS not have infi cleave anymore?

[neon fern]

ur out until they rescue u tho

[low harbor]

don't they have 20% of max HP as dmg gate

[dim moth]

Yes, but Eviscerator special

[low harbor]

no

[near vapor]

the review bombing when that happens 💀

[high gull]

I still remember this

[keen timber]

is power sword still good on them then?

[low harbor]

power sword has 10.9~11.7 cleave

[limber cradle]

On vet?

[high gull]

This is why I feel like arby is still in the state it's in

[keen timber]

yeah

[low harbor]

10.9 if u optimize ur stat roll

[limber cradle]

Power Sword is still like, one of if not the best melee in game ime

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230805863663796226/1444969178678296668/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.01_-_02.24.59.1392.DVR.mp4?ex=693a816a&is=69392fea&hm=7967b27dcb20d3e80d4b0d08a1ee6db5277895cac2aebba0a74e5431ed188afe&

[north meteor]

what melee weapon do you use on shroud

[keen timber]

kid called caxe

[near vapor]

yea but you play like youre being held back by concrete

[keen timber]

but yeah ok at least it's still good

[dim moth]

relic blade usually

don't like how one trick pony thunderhammer is

[near vapor]

the most unfun mobility you can have in a weapon

[high gull]

Rampage crowbar is by far the most fun I've had with melee in this game ngl.

[limber cradle]

Caxe is defo not better than PS, but it is easier to use

[high gull]

Beating the absolute shit out of a captain and LT while losing almost no hp

Is so funny

[north meteor]

Im gonna test shroud relic when I get home as well

[keen timber]

i should play my vet again

i havent played him since i returned

[low harbor]

combat axe is ~1 tier below power sword for melee dps

[fast gust]

Try rampage chaxe

[high gull]

[near vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1430276192422072542/daemonhost_1_shot.mp4?ex=693a7241&is=693920c1&hm=d45eecadf5d681bcf0af853eec197296aea233e8b330e20a4ad0a68c440246ee& harder to setup but hey you can 1 shot DH with it

[drowsy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can't-have-this-conversation-again-tony-soprano-the-sopranos-gif-16274142811887245291

[keen timber]

still have this from 2023 when u had to actually win the lottery for a good weapon

[abstract wasp]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/crackhead-john-wick-high-havoc-build

is this valid for h40 or should i change something ?

[high gull]

Wait

What's the set up for ganger chaxe?

[low harbor]

this is usable but not optimal by today's standards

[limber cradle]

You dump cleave targets on it now

[dim moth]

yeah for relic blade shroudfield you have to be both in combat and quick about it to get one shots

[keen timber]

damn

[dim moth]

thunderhammer just kinda does that but is a mediocre weapon when not doing that

[low harbor]

cleave targets dump
unyielding carapace
power cycler + BM/sunder

[limber cradle]

Yup

[low harbor]

sunder is better at mixed horde

BM is better at pure horde

[high gull]

I'm still pissed it took me 2 years to finally get power cycler

[keen timber]

i still never got PC4

[limber cradle]

THammer feels so meh tbh me outside "haha I'm oneshotting boss"

[near vapor]

you can now

[tranquil fjord]

swap run like the wind for vulture's dodge and it should be fine

[obsidian crown]

Did they fix powersword getting interrupted and losing charges

[low harbor]

vet with power sword is more consistent high melee dps
rampage hvs with rashad is higher high and lower low

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[keen timber]

I know I can now, that's not whjat im saying

[low harbor]

yes (but not quite)
they fixed getting stunned causing u to lose remaining charged atks
they didn't fix losing remaining charged atks if stunned while attacking
this however can be fixed by using executioner's stance which gives stun immunity

[compact oyster]

the most reliable relic oneshot ive gotten is on captains and beasts of nurgle

but thats a backstab into weakspot for both

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[obsidian crown]

Elaborate

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl I don't think i gel with zealots kit buy in large, I've tried to so very hard

[high gull]

SEE

Thank you

[keen timber]

with sunder, do you swap to heavies for bigger targets in hordes then?

[high gull]

I can play melee so well on every other class

[keen timber]

since i remember the PS not haivng a great heavy chain for hordes?

[high gull]

EXCEPT zealot

And I have no fucking idea why

[keen timber]

I love zealot melee

[north meteor]

what blessings do I run on relic? Rampage and Energy Leakage? Also which Mk

[stoic halo]

okay, but the entire point of this discussion is the analysis of opportunity cost of abilitys, and with shroudfield you give up stabalization ability for boss damage. The entire argument was "why would I take book over things like shroud and fotf?" and this doesn't counter the argument. It's a red herring skirting the argument. If your team already has boss damage in other forms, and lacks stabalization power you take book. If you have boss power and stabalization you take fotf to be more flexible. If your team is extremely stable you can take shroud and obliterate bosses.

[neon fern]

i know why

[keen timber]

im by far the bestr with them in melee

[high gull]

I can play a low hp vet or orgyn or ganger like a monster

[low harbor]

no

[high gull]

But that shit just doesn't click on zealot

[limber cradle]

My favorite pure melee class is Psyker ngl

[dim moth]

if your team needs stabilization I wouldn't pick zealot at all

[stoic halo]

objectively it is.

[dim moth]

I'd pick ogryn, arbites, psyker, or veteran who are all vastly better at it

[limber cradle]

Like if I'm gonna run a mission with no ranged I'm playing SG/DD/FGSker

[keen timber]

what does heavy melee attack damage mean then?

[dim moth]

if you REALLY want to play zealot you should play zealot to their strengths

[keen timber]

or am i doing it purely for the cleave?

[obsidian crown]

Heard psyjker doesn’t overload now

[dim moth]

rather than shooting yourself in the foot to play them as a support

[low harbor]

it means exactly what you think it means

[limber cradle]

Ime? Nope. I sit at 97 peril and gain a shitton of stats for it.

[stoic halo]

Again, red herring, argument. The point is that it gives you options.

[keen timber]

ok so its purely for cleave

[obsidian crown]

The bug since yesterday

[high gull]

Ngl I pick arby when I feel like playing when I wanna feel that power fantasy

[near vapor]

if in doubt, consult the kuli guide

[limber cradle]

Oh, on that I cannot say.

[dim moth]

You have the option to jump through the nearest window at any time

[near vapor]

Kuli the 🐐

[dim moth]

But you obviously don't do it because that would be harmful to yourself

[limber cradle]

I cant play arby anymore tbh

[obsidian crown]

You don’t die at 100 peril

[low harbor]

@keen timber

[dim moth]

And yet zealot book builds choose to do this willingly

Every game that they play

[limber cradle]

If I want to play arby I'll just play CS vet

[dim moth]

They are jumping through the nearest window causing great harm to themselves

For little benefit when they could just go through the open door instead

[limber cradle]

I think i saw someone asking about that in genchat yesterday

[stoic halo]

"WAH WAH WAH"👶 🤡

[neon fern]

i have 2 penances left on arbites, i'll have to play it again, it's bleak

[north meteor]

my buddy popped yesterday?

[limber cradle]

Power Sword is fuckin stupid bro

[keen timber]

what's the plasma gun setup now?

[near vapor]

blaze away and whatever you vibe with

[limber cradle]

@shy solar

[obsidian crown]

Ask in psykerchat

[near vapor]

remind me why this the logic for it again

[tranquil fjord]

i like book for a team without any cc but it really hurts the class to not have the higher dps as with fury or with the burst damage of shroud

[limber cradle]

8 shots with good charge up on fire rate vs 9 shots total with slower charge up iirc

[signal nebula]

People take book in one of two circumstances:

1. They are good and understand when a party needs it over the other 2 abilities.
2. They are bad and take it because it feels safe but is the objectively wrong choice

[low harbor]

Thermal Resist stat doesn't matter above 68.?% since it still shoots 8 times before auto-vent.
Charge Rate reduces pre-fire delay for hipfire & braced fire, so it's good to have it be higher.
For safety sake, I recommend aiming for 69% in Thermal Resist for the guaranteed 8 shots.
A 70% Thermal Resist & 70% Charge Rate stat roll is perfectly fine (barely any difference).

[limber cradle]

I should not i am hardcore not a plasma guy

[north meteor]

is it blitz/weapon dependent?

[dim moth]

The opportunity cost for book is that you either choose book to have a shitty stagger and piss toughness, or you choose fury/shroudfield and you can then stabilize a situation by having the damage output to instantly remove whatever the biggest problem is

[dim moth]

Shroudfield will then have a short cooldown from that, and be able to do it again in 10-ish seconds

[keen timber]

am I cooked?

[limber cradle]

Thank you for this

[dim moth]

Fury will gain extra melee damage and attack speed to help with the horde

[low harbor]

yes

[obsidian crown]

Bruh I said ask in psyj chat

Idk

[keen timber]

[dim moth]

You either stabilize by permanently removing the problem with Fury/Shroudfield

[fallen coyote]

You explode when you do anything that generates peril while at 100 peril. Reaching 100 peril is fine and doesnt do anything outside of a spooky soundqueue

[dim moth]

Or you're picking chorus and effectively just pushing the problem to the side and hoping you can deal with it later

[low harbor]

if ur broke just dump thermal to 60%

[north meteor]

I mean fair, but you're the one that brought it up in here

[obsidian crown]

We’re talking about a bug since yesterday where you don’t overload

[north meteor]

gotcha

I thought that's how it always worked

[near vapor]

oh so its just some kind of breakpoint you have to aim for the optimal Plasma yea? past 80% on thermal and 80% charge doesnt offer any benefit?

[keen timber]

I'll just push for something in the realm of 70

[obsidian crown]

You just spam over 100 peril now

[north meteor]

nvm too many different statements lol

[low harbor]

after 68.?% thermal does nothing for hipfire, and charge rate is best as high as u can go

[blazing wave]

Hive Scum build focused on Survival. For average Auric players.
I have no aspiration to be a content creator for Darktide, this is just my way to give to community. Hope you like it, despite the frankly low effort editing. Gameslantern link is included.
https://youtu.be/ViW3YeSZutU?si=veXi4BOe4TmSrCeJ

[keen timber]

I have 0 mastery on both PS and plasgun anyway so i need to level them first

[low harbor]

but u can only get up to 71.?% because u want the other 3 stats maxed out

[signal nebula]

Depends right. If you have 3 other players on high DPS builds and there's no safety tool, book is a good shout.

I personally like it the least of all 3 but it has it's place.

[near vapor]

gotcha

[obsidian crown]

Ignore him. He’s confused and didn’t read convo

[dim moth]

If you have no safety tool you should play a class with a good safety tool

[keen timber]

what's the other dump?

[limber cradle]

My favorite zealot ability is FotF tbh

[dim moth]

Veteran with VoC+Smokes can fill both psyker and zealots safety tool roles

While still having damage

Psyker+Trauma staff can do the same

[signal nebula]

Is your argument here that book is a bad safety tool?

[limber cradle]

FotF feels like it let's me do some neat stuff, like the "iframes" on it

[dim moth]

Yes. It is

[low harbor]

wdym other dump
I just told u, dump thermal resist to 60% if ur broke and can't roll a perfect

[dim moth]

It is hopelessly outclassed by every other classes safety tools

[main trellis]

Every class has one wdym

[dim moth]

I assumed they were talking about team safety broadly

[keen timber]

yeah but if i push for a 70%

[dim moth]

Which is not something everybody has

[keen timber]

what's the other dump

[low harbor]

#hivescum-class message

[signal nebula]

Bad faith argument but whatever.

[keen timber]

ah ok

[dim moth]

If your team REALLY needs the safety because all 3 are DPS Zealot is the absolute last class you should think about picking

[keen timber]

and is your build guide in vet's pins up to date?

[tender forge]

Also a marty book player could work

[low harbor]

no

[keen timber]

[low harbor]

I went and levelled hvs

[keen timber]

uh oh

[low harbor]

lol

[signal nebula]

"book sucks guys but smoke grenades? Yeah they are the shit"

[low harbor]

and I'm working on steam ver

[tender forge]

Its basically just marty fury zealot without guarunteed crits

[dim moth]

Yeah smoke grenades provide irreplacable utility that even psyker dome can't match

[tender forge]

But piss toughness

[compact oyster]

book is a very good tool for mass stager and helping your team with survivability

[signal nebula]

Hahahahahahaha

[dim moth]

Smokes turn off gun twins AI completely, and the only thing dome counters that they don't are bombers

[compact oyster]

what.

[dim moth]

lmao

[tender forge]

Yeah but kraks can just remove the target

[compact oyster]

can you repeat that

[toxic dagger]

So you should back out of the havoc ready up screen or what

[signal nebula]

Yeah guys I could run smokes to turn off the twins AI

[toxic dagger]

Explain the plan here lol

[drowsy relic]

Welcome to hive scum chat we talk about anything but hive scum

[signal nebula]

When I could just kill them with kraks

[keen timber]

do you know where i could find a setup for shout vet now then?

[dim moth]

kraks do fuck all damage to twins

[low harbor]

dude if the game was using my draft idea for smoke this would hold somewhat true but in the game's current state it's not close

[tender forge]

I use coles ainz's dual barrel build for it

[signal nebula]

They seemed to die pretty good last night when I killed them

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1440127153697062993/Screenshot_2025-11-16_222036.png?ex=693ab02d&is=69395ead&hm=60961b5aaee04af882c4c5215f4d7c399c9b39b4d62d8398612474c2d2201b37&
modify according to ur needs, this is abt as basic as vet builds go now

[dim moth]

Then it wasn't you killing them

[signal nebula]

Twins aren't even hard to kill, why do you need to turn off their AI.

[dim moth]

Or at least not the krak grenades lmao

[keen timber]

is this shell focused on range or melee then? or is it more hybrid

[main trellis]

And trappers… and any other projectile… and burgle trivilization…

[dim moth]

If you were stabbing them with psword sure

[compact oyster]

i know i just didnt read that smokes are better than psyker bubble

[limber cradle]

Tell this to my randoms man

[low harbor]

this is hybrid

[dim moth]

they force trappers to walk face first into your sword to do anything

So stab them

[high gull]

Randoms tunnel vision so damn hard it's insane

[dim moth]

Again with this whole "if you see a problem you should kill it yourself" shit

[high gull]

The amount of times they will just walk directly by a ammo or med crate

[low harbor]

How it plays:

[signal nebula]

If you haven't fought them before or like once or twice, sure. But once you've gone through it a few times it's not a scary fight

[limber cradle]

I find it impossible to clutch twins when 3 people go down tbh

[dim moth]

Well yeah twins in isolation aren't shit

[main trellis]

They do… but if you don’t know where they are cause audio gets fked or you focus on smth else… you get fked

[dim moth]

Kinda the same for every monstrosity

[signal nebula]

Well yeah that's the issue right there

[dim moth]

But it's havoc so they don't spawn alone

[limber cradle]

Trust me, ik

[keen timber]

I assume weapon specialist is a good way to go here then?

[high gull]

No boss is difficulty really when you play with a coordinated team/friends

[main trellis]

Its not easy but it can be done (build & weapons matter tho)

[near vapor]

uhm I like book

[high gull]

It's when you get placed with the mouth breather who's got his tv blasting through his mic, buddy is mumbling when he talks

[near vapor]

[sonic pumice]

Feels that Melee scum needs the flashbangs because when on density he doesn't have much cc to safely fight some hordes, melee seems to have punch but feels somewhat weaker than expected outside of rampage skill uptime

[limber cradle]

Defo, I don't normally play classes that are good for it tho as of late

[low harbor]

both WS and FT are pretty easy picks here, FT is more dmg but WS is usually better

[high gull]

and he has the awareness of a dead squirrel

That's the issue

[limber cradle]

Like if I was playing shock mine arb it'd be easier

[high gull]

Now multiply that times 2

That's pubs

[keen timber]

any of the keystone modifiers good, and how good is close quaters killzone?

[main trellis]

CC is king

[winter galleon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083b09a-d2f2-44ac-a211-369becf76c68/so-anyways

kinda want to get coated weaponry but dont know what could drop.. speedloader since already have it on gun?

[main trellis]

[limber cradle]

Chat wish me luck on my job interview, I actually want this one.

[high gull]

We finally getting the job as a tank commander

LETS GO

[limber cradle]

Lmfao nah, mailman.

[sonic pumice]

Reason why ogryn is king and melee scum feels that needs flashbangs

[keen timber]

My dad's a postie actually

[high gull]

You got it

[low harbor]

for FT, target down and redirect fire both gud, take 1 according to ur needs
for WS, always prepared gud for revolver/boltpistol/shotguns, OYT always gud, invig gud for knife
for MF, usually the point cost to get there is aids and I'd only consider it for helbore sniping builds

[limber cradle]

It seems nice tbh, I like being outside.

[near vapor]

good luck!

[limber cradle]

Thank you.

[main trellis]

Don’t need speedloader on uzis as in the blessing - unironically get run & gun for even less spread so you can reliably kill at midrange

[sonic pumice]

Good luck mate

[limber cradle]

Thank you

[limber cradle]

And thank you

[main trellis]

GL mah boi 🙏 🫡

[limber cradle]

I appreciate it

God willing I will deliver mail and get a pension

[keen timber]

Yeah I think I'll go for OYT for my plasma setup and I'll grab always prepped if i go for a revolver setup later then. What about CQK? seems like a nice damage boost

[winter galleon]

that doesnt help me get coated weaponry though xD

[low harbor]

red nodes not worth taking atm outside marksman but even that is kinda niche

[sonic pumice]

Doesn't need it? It feels that the reload is quite slow without it to constantly chain reloads on desperado

[compact oyster]

weapon specialist double barrel is at the peak of vet joy

[opal bramble]

The last hotfix corrected the bug between hyper critical and precision violence, yeah?

If so, can we get someone to unpin the message about it being a problem in the pins?

[compact oyster]

i just do bolter tho

[stoic halo]

"I have no conception of the value that holding space provides in high intensity situations and thus my view of how to use the tools to me is extremely limited and they are shit because of it. People run book in havoc because they are stupid and stinky and I am the cleanest bestest boy in the emperors army and nobody can tell me otherwise." crosses arms and pouts

[limber cradle]

I like combat shotgun or IAG vet tbh

[keen timber]

damage boost just not worth it then? Ok, I've got this, with 2 points left over, I'm thinking possibly rending or melee attack spd, but I'm not sure where else they could go

[dim moth]

Oh no I know holding space has value I just think chorus is shit at it compared to any other classes options lmao

Think the only class worse at holding space than zealot is scum

But even then

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think I'd rather have an arb mine than a zealot book

[near vapor]

@toxic dagger oy hand of god

[dim moth]

Yeah

Arby mine, ogryn...ogryn

[low harbor]

ykw just use this lol

[dim moth]

trauma psyker

gun psyker

[limber cradle]

The default

[dim moth]

double barrel vet

[low harbor]

take off the 2 grenade modify talents for auric

[dim moth]

the usual

[limber cradle]

The "yeah this shit just works"

[keen timber]

with exe?

[dim moth]

psyker actually can't hold space against monstrosities maybe they're worse than zealot too...hm

[limber cradle]

I feel like vet has a "the build" now

[low harbor]

stance is gud now

[compact oyster]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[main trellis]

Speedloader talent is all you need; test it yourself

[tender forge]

Yeah exe is good

[keen timber]

im still sort of not a fan of it ngl

[limber cradle]

Exe is stupidly good tbh

[tender forge]

It works on melee too

[low harbor]

get constantFov mod

[tender forge]

[compact oyster]

psyker has the best dodges alongside force greatsword dps

[dim moth]

yeah they can against burgles but they're the only class that doesn't have any way to stagger them

[dim moth]

Yeah I get that but I mean not being pushed back by them

[low harbor]

psyker has 2nd worst dodge distance of all classes

[compact oyster]

dont need to stagger if you can dodge

[tender forge]

I still like my trench fighter serrated blade shovel

[dim moth]

You know..holding space like I said

[near vapor]

laspistol exe stance with the headshot keystone

[keen timber]

fov isnt an issue, I'm just used to having stuff like fotf

[compact oyster]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sonic pumice]

Will do, I think someone said that the perk used to be bugged, will give it another try

[keen timber]

wait what

[tender forge]

Yeah exe is nutso

[limber cradle]

Speedloader defo works now ime

[main trellis]

It never was

[low harbor]

just think of stance as
10% TGH/s
stun immunity
wallhack

[tender forge]

For at least 8 seconds

[limber cradle]

Exe can swap weapons now, as long as you're killing piss boys it stays up

[low harbor]

the ranged dmg bonus is more of a secondary benefit (it does help a lot for breakpoints in havoc)

[dim moth]

also potentially teamwide regen if you take born leader

very fun ability

[low harbor]

meh

[limber cradle]

Fuck em

The team can regenerate their own toughness

[keen timber]

Ok so, I'll set that up too

[dim moth]

true but like

[keen timber]

for shout, what's the play with 2 points left over

[dim moth]

they can regenerate from me too :)

[compact oyster]

vet also has an insane toughness regen node

[main trellis]

Imagine using a ranged focused ability for a melee oriented build

[tender forge]

Do you have tf and serrated blades?

[main trellis]

Poor exec stance

[keen timber]

tf?

I dont have serrated though

[tender forge]

Trench fighter

[keen timber]

no i had neither

ill grab both

[low harbor]

@keen timber basically just think of it as arb's EO but u press F to use it

[keen timber]

ok there that's that done

[limber cradle]

Power sword really likes trench fighter

[keen timber]

I haven't even used EO I just like btl

[tender forge]

Trench fighter is 10% attack speed and serrated blade makes any weapon with uncanny go ungabungs

[limber cradle]

EO is a keystone

[low harbor]

EO is keystone

[keen timber]

wait

OH right

i forgot

I confused it with castigator

[wind crane]

have u guys swapped to rpg? from chem nade

[livid raven]

tho you won't take forceful without BTL

[limber cradle]

Tbh I do not think I prefer Vraks to DAPs

I'm gonna try it again today

[keen timber]

ok if im skipping the grenade nodes, is it worth getting always prepared and OYT? or should i grab trench and just one of them

[limber cradle]

I never used either to begin with tbh

[compact oyster]

best node vet has

its undefeated

[plush spade]

im honestly really happy that all of them feel powerful in their own way now

[static isle]

anyone know when they changed like the wind and cheap shots passive?

[plush spade]

RPG is pure destruction
Chem nades is area of denial
Blackouts are panic buttons

[limber cradle]

Blinders "open the fuckin door fat boy I'm coming for you"

[keen timber]

LMAO

[echo python]

They repositioned stuff yesterday

[low harbor]

for plasma, u don't need always prepared

[near mauve]

should have named the nades peaky blinders

[low harbor]

I literally just sent u a functioning build

[compact oyster]

toxin blackouts are just throwing a glass jar of poop

[stoic halo]

Book has the highest capacity in the game for what it can hold space against. It could be 35 demonhosts and your team still gets the full duration of the book to stabalize the situation and reposition. You can make the argument that book may be more spikey in its ability to provide its value, but that's the whole crux of the argument. Book has it's own unique use cases and if you go into its evaluation based on it's ability to solve problems that you would usually solve with fotf or shroudfield that is dumb and misses out on books strengths.

[low harbor]

just take off grenadier and tinkerer for auric

[keen timber]

yeah and u also said "dont take the grenade nodes if ur not doing havoc"

so I have two points left over

where do they go

I'd rather work out why I'm taking things than simply copy because then I can actually start learning and not just relying on being told what to do

[limber cradle]

Call me a chimpanzee the way I be flinging shit around then

[compact oyster]

LOL

[low harbor]

OYT is gud, +25 TGH also gud, the choice doesn't matter as much

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-monkey-gif-26066711

[keen timber]

fair enough

[static isle]

ahh ty

[tender forge]

Also if running dual barrel you probably want the reload on weapon specialist

[dim moth]

Yeah and its "unique use cases" all file neatly under "shit that happens once every 100 havoc 40 games"

[tender forge]

Maybe plasma too

[dim moth]

So never effectively

While Fury/Shroudfield help you in situations that happen in all of them

[limber cradle]

I don't use it on Plas fwiw

I don't normally reload plasma more than between every elevator

[tender forge]

Fair I dont really like plasma

[dim moth]

Yeah Havoc 40 sometimes spawns 5 fucking bosses at the same time, and then Book is REALLY NICE to stagger them all and give the team a chance to breathe

[vocal saffron]

Book suckz

[limber cradle]

Also just learn the simply and intuitive 3 step animation cancel for plasma reload

[dim moth]

And have your boss killer kill a boss or two at least

[vocal saffron]

99% of most in game use cases it's overkill or somewhat of a detriment

[limber cradle]

FotF is the only zealot ability I am personally willing to use

[keen timber]

same

[wet heath]

Trying HS with shredder rn, it works but holy it feels bad

[near mauve]

fotf buff when

[vocal saffron]

As it takes 1 of the highest dps classes and removes a significant amount of burst damage by stripping them of fotf or shroud and turns them into a shitty lighthouse for a couple seconds

[limber cradle]

3 charges

[calm aurora]

that's jad no?

[vocal saffron]

It's almost always better to just kill everything rather than delay enemies

[limber cradle]

I don't like shredder much tbh

[near mauve]

not enough
i need like 10000 effects cause that's how we do ults now

[stoic halo]

you say this, but it is literally an argument for bringing book as a way to plan for the exception when you can handle the rule with solid normal play. You are making my argument for me.

[vocal saffron]

It's the reason why people hate Smite

[dim moth]

Your argument for book

Is the exact same reason most people don't take the Thunder Hammer

[limber cradle]

Death is the best CC.

[compact oyster]

however

[dim moth]

Thunder Hammer is REALLY good at boss damage exclusively

[near mauve]

when you fotf, regain 2000% toughness, stun all enimies in 100 meter radius, your next 10 swings have 200% crit rate, your gun insta reloads and your dad comes back from the super market

[dim moth]

And kind of mediocre everywhere else

[compact oyster]

there is room for creating a space within a horde or a wave

as in shock mines

theyre amazing to create breathing space

[dim moth]

Book is REALLY good at stalling multiple bosses exclusively

And kind of mediocre everywhere else

[vocal saffron]

U can literally just run backwards for the most part

And Zealot has grenades

[compact oyster]

run backwards into this-

[vocal saffron]

Havoc 40 is generally that

[dim moth]

Do you use the thunder hammer all the time on the off chance its extremely high boss damage becomes relevant?

Or do you use the much more consistent Eviscerator, Relic Blade, Dueling Sword, whatever

[vocal saffron]

The hyperbolic 28 Daemonhosts situation only happens if you push up too far too quickly in H40

[near mauve]

darktide the type of game where big thundy is mid at horde clear but two rusted pipes mow down mixed hordes

[vocal saffron]

H40 gameplay loop is forward one step back two to ease out boss spawns at the triggers

[vocal saffron]

If you spawn in 3 or 4 bosses on accident and you need book to make space then you're already probably fucked

[compact oyster]

the shrine event is currently the best way to experience havoc in the normal game mode

[vocal saffron]

Ironic consider book doesnt stagger bosses except on the final pulse

[near mauve]

yeah its cool

[dim moth]

the first and final pulse

[near mauve]

this is like the third "havoc lite" event and i fuck with it

keep em coming

[dim moth]

it staggers them twice

[vocal saffron]

And every boss but the DH has a displacement attack that can stagger you out of Book

[limber cradle]

The event is really fun tbh

[unreal stirrup]

after playing with thammer more in havoc it not that bad

[compact oyster]

i like it but sometimes theres so much shit

[limber cradle]

More events like these

[dim moth]

yeah but like you aren't gonna get jumped on by a chaos spawn that's in book range, or charged by a pogryn in the same

[limber cradle]

Less events where I look at the ground pressing 1 and 2

[near mauve]

that;s why its fun

[compact oyster]

you activate the shrine and the game director just gets all of its spawn pools reset

[vocal saffron]

Yes you are

[dim moth]

yeah tbh the only reason I'm even talking about shroudfield like it isn't a joke is because I've seen thammer zealots in some havoc games

[unreal stirrup]

it kinda struggle against cara packs for obvious reason but its fine everywhere else and good for deleting thing

[dim moth]

that do freak shit

[stoic halo]

the problem with thunder hammer is that your normal function is below a threshold that makes it an actual detriment, IE: the opportunity cost is too high to be worth the payoff.

[near mauve]

u basically gotta clear the wave before praying

[drowsy relic]

I want to fight 5000000 things

I am here to HARM others

[vocal saffron]

You are as likely to be aggrod by the bosses as any of the other characters

[compact oyster]

shroudfield is very good for burst damage

[vocal saffron]

Book doesnt change your priority

It staggers twice

[dim moth]

And you think willingly stunning yourself for 5 seconds every time you press book isn't somehow an actual detriment?

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1434950560766886051/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-11-04_12-00-24_AM.mp4?ex=693a5019&is=6938fe99&hm=20edf99ca2a38f2d409529173ba078619f7d4f09999bd91c72033384bbd82976&

[near mauve]

but i had a situation where team didnt clear and we had two captian and two bosses on our asses
they were also all cracked so killed them anyway

[compact oyster]

instakilling a boss or a captain makes it so the team doesnt have to deal with that

someone downed?

[dim moth]

Straight up -1 player on the team every time

[near mauve]

havoc players warming up in aurics are built different

[vocal saffron]

And between the first and final pulse cspawn and plogyrn have all the time in the world to aggro to you

[compact oyster]

ill just rez in 2 seconds with shroud

[near mauve]

they just bing bong wahoo and boom entire map is dead

[vocal saffron]

If an a plogryn charges youre fucjed

[unreal stirrup]

there better clip of one shotting bosses but I can't find them

[vocal saffron]

You have to cancel book early to block it or tank the bash and get flung

[dim moth]

And if shit ain't dying and you need the stall?

[vocal saffron]

Same w a cspawn

Youre gambling

[dim moth]

You putting your stupid little fucking holy symbol up in the air isn't going to magically deadify the enemies

[near mauve]

book is only cool cause yelling at people while waving a stick is cool

[vocal saffron]

Holy funko pop

[near mauve]

[unreal stirrup]

lmao just block

[dim moth]

If anything it'll make the problem worse because chorus' stagger is a light stagger so they will all bunch up

[unreal stirrup]

also dodge

[vocal saffron]

That's what i call it

[dim moth]

and the bulwarks/crushers in the crowd will eat all the damage :)

[unreal stirrup]

plogryn is easy to dodge as hell

[vocal saffron]

Read what I said earlier for context

[unreal stirrup]

also block the charge

[vocal saffron]

The context is youre ulting with book

[unreal stirrup]

book is so ass nowadays

[vocal saffron]

That's literally the whole issue Cy

[dim moth]

of course doesn't matter to inferno psyker because inferno psyker goated

but everyone else

[vocal saffron]

You cant dodge the charge the Plogryn will track you

[near mauve]

alright gamers we heard your complaints, chorus will now apply a dot chem toxin bleed aoe during its duration

[vocal saffron]

You have to block or tank the blow

If targeted

[dim moth]

You can sometimes

[dim moth]

Sometimes when you dodge they'll miss and get their head stuck in a wall

[dim moth]

God knows what triggers it

[vocal saffron]

It's so inconsistent Cole cant do it and Cole is literally a Skitarii

[compact oyster]

i genuinely want chorus to have a node where it deals fire stacks

[vocal saffron]

For all intents and purposes it's functionally impossible in normal gameplay

[pulsar aspen]

@zenith pagoda living up to his name.

[unreal stirrup]

real

[near mauve]

nah straight up holy dmg
or holy debuffs
debuff tf out of everything

[vocal saffron]

So if youre Bookin it u have to cancel book to block or tank the hit

[unreal stirrup]

book now give 31 stack of soulblaze

[vocal saffron]

Same if a Cspawn leaps at you

[unreal stirrup]

psyker who

[compact oyster]

if i was on the testing team zealot would have a node that gave us burn stacks on heavy attacks

[near mauve]

could bea beat debuff tool
make them 50% slower and eat more dmg
oh shit its nuncio aquilla

[stoic halo]

the difference between thunder hammer and book is the scale of cc. You stagger and supress everything for the duration of the book at the cost of taking yourself out of the fight. Thunder hammer can stagger or kill 1 target per instance of self stun. Again, opportunity cost.

[unreal stirrup]

thammer literally delete boss in 1 hit in havoc

[near mauve]

cool on paper but zealot kills everything too fast for stacks to mean anything

[unreal stirrup]

book and thammer is not comparable

book still suck ass though

[vocal saffron]

I think you're missing the forest for the trees here Sure

[stoic halo]

genuinely can't tell if you're being disengenuous at this point or not.

[drowsy relic]

A level of conversation never had before

[compact oyster]

its cool tho

and it would help with thammer hordeclear

call the talent righteous fury

and cap the stacks at 3

[tender forge]

Anyway on scum I tried out a fun build

[honest shale]

Just saw this on reddit if you haven't. After the update to the talent tree this is my only complaint left for Hive Scum.

[unreal stirrup]

thammer horde clear isn't that bad

[tender forge]

Csword with shred and the bleed on special

[dim moth]

yeah lol

[tender forge]

It did some pretty good boss damage

[zenith pagoda]

Real

[dim moth]

It's not exactly good

[near mauve]

my experience

[dim moth]

But then you aren't taking thammer for that

[near mauve]

lmao

[drowsy relic]

Average tanner testing conditions

[dim moth]

It's a one trick pony that does a pretty cool trick

[zenith pagoda]

Teammates don't know to stand inside the chem nade or behind choke point

[dim moth]

Making that h40 plague ogryn disappear

[final temple]

don’t throw the nade if your team advances like maniacs. throw it where the team meets the horde.

[unreal stirrup]

punishment help wonder considering enemy on their ass have decreased hitmass

[near mauve]

thunder hammer will always be cool because thunner hammer is cool

[unreal stirrup]

also help stagger rager n shit

[compact oyster]

REAL AS FUCK

[vocal saffron]

If I understand Tox Scum correctly, they arent speaking as to the efficacy of their stuns individually on their own, but to rather the roles they both fulfill and the detriments they bring due to occupying a spot better suited for something else; Thunderhammer "stuns" you similarly the same way Book does due to the nature of the weapon; you must take the time to power it up, proc Thrust, get into position, and then swing - this all takes a tremendous amount of time, said time arguably being much better spent with another weapon which could put out more damage in more scenarios then in the specific use cases where the THammer does

[compact oyster]

now i do want a new thunder hammer mark thats a mining hammer

either an aoe

[vocal saffron]

It's not the stuns that make them similar, but the big voids both the THammer and Book introduce to a team if a Zealot takes it

[compact oyster]

or it works like m bison in street fighter 6

[tender forge]

@low harbor you have any idea if shred works on the csword special (as in each tick increases crit chance of next tick)

[unreal stirrup]

so just power maul but good

[calm aurora]

desperado or speedload on stubs for despacito?

[compact oyster]

you hit something with the special and it sticks and electric charge to them that explodes after 2 seconds

[tender forge]

Seemed to get ~4 stacks of chem toxin and 14 bleed stacks from a rev

[vocal saffron]

It's a significant opportunity cost for a scenario you generally would be better off playing around in-game rather than making a build designed specifically for that one scenario

[tender forge]

But not sure if shred is doing that

[near mauve]

ive said this before and will say it again
thammer horde clear is fixed by adding a big aoe blast on fully charged attacks and add a cooldown or whatever

[tender forge]

But the bonk

[compact oyster]

nothing can beat thunder hammer damage cica

[tender forge]

On mixed horde

[near mauve]

smite them to dust

[unreal stirrup]

or just pull out the flamer when shit get real

[lilac ermine]

How do I use crowbar it seems not that good

[tender forge]

Actually you know what Im in

[compact oyster]

seems like youve got a bar to clear

[unreal stirrup]

it's like zealot have the second best mixed horde clear weapon in the game or smt

[compact oyster]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHHHAHAHAH

[tender forge]

Rampage and spam catching lights into boss

[near mauve]

they added what i wanted to ogryn power maul instead of big thundie

[tender forge]

Has been my most fun with it

[compact oyster]

ogryn power maul is fucking cracked now

[lilac ermine]

What abt with non rampage

[compact oyster]

but because ogryns are stupid

they dont realize that

[vocal saffron]

DS

[tender forge]

I dont really use it out of that specific scenario

[vocal saffron]

Evis horde dps

Relic horde dps

Relic boss dps

[compact oyster]

im talking bossing

[unreal stirrup]

duelling sword have crippling horde clear problem in havoc lmao

[tender forge]

Its pretty much a worse shovel in wide mode

[near mauve]

i didnt play much with it but it still feels weaker than pretty much every other weapon idk lmao

[compact oyster]

thammer does the highest damage on a single target hit

[near mauve]

the aoe blast is cool tho

[vocal saffron]

You can two shot bosses w the relic blade

[near mauve]

BIDEN BLAST

[tender forge]

Reject playing the game embrace agile

[compact oyster]

use the special

[near mauve]

every 10 seconds or so

[vocal saffron]

Which also has amazing horde clear

And excellent armor damage

[lilac ermine]

Aw ok I was trying to make cleave build with it but it still isnt do much dmg

[calm aurora]

hello I am new here, I have heard Tanner is a nice guy. Now that I have your attention what are the blessings on stubs for despacto, kthx and long live toxic parasocial relationships

[unreal stirrup]

or just learn to dodge and not spam it

[tender forge]

Yeah I dont like the crowbar that much

[unreal stirrup]

also it isn't fast enough to put a dent on h40 horde

[vocal saffron]

The THammer is simply outclassed by the Relic due to power creep encroaching on its like one thing it does best

[tender forge]

Yeah but thats less funny

[compact oyster]

ngl

[unreal stirrup]

I saw like relic blade martydom once

[dim moth]

relic stops one shotting havoc monstrosites around the 30s

[unreal stirrup]

with shroud

[vocal saffron]

Why I said 2 shot

[compact oyster]

i think evis thunder hammer and relic blade all have their place

[dim moth]

it gets damn close though

[vocal saffron]

And u dont need to build around it to ur teams detriment w the Relic

[dim moth]

but close doesn't cut your cooldown in half

[vocal saffron]

U can take Fury and be an active frontline participant

[unreal stirrup]

evis is like inbetween of them

[dim moth]

yeah

[compact oyster]

evis is really fun

[lilac ermine]

We dont neeed hammer now get on that book zealot

[vocal saffron]

Instead of a lily livered weak wristed soft skin kissable shroudfield usin librul

Hawk tuah

Spitz into spitoon and listenz 2 it rattle

[compact oyster]

hey there libshart

nice soft lips you got libshart

and those soft holdable sissy hands

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-superman-flying-tongue-meme-ai-gif-12285929760681474519

[calm aurora]

@compact oyster don't ignore me

[compact oyster]

unc your too old to do tanner baiting

[low harbor]

no

[vocal saffron]

Mpreg

[low harbor]

sawrip atk is 1 singular atk

[tender forge]

Ah

I probably should fix my csword then lol

[vocal saffron]

Ok call me A Lil Babie

But not having a twbs-like node in HS makes melee kinda Bunz sometimez

[compact oyster]

shawty

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-lied-mpreg-monday-mpreg-monday-gif-1842710475312011376

[tender forge]

Also does the rev count as a heavy if you charge it

[lilac ermine]

Is vet job to kill shooters or hive scum

[vocal saffron]

And no tness break givez u stun immunity doesnt count

[tender forge]

(For rampage)

[astral canyon]

yes

[vocal saffron]

U take like 5 morbillion chip damage and it can proc while you're stunned from the hit that broke ur tness

[lilac ermine]

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