hivescum-class

[limber cradle]

Rocket got a bunch of buffs

[tight musk]

Don't know if it's overkill, but with these 2 cleave talents and shock & awe the saw feels pretty smooth.

[candid flax]

thats a big aoe increase

[young herald]

"if you hit 2 enemies with the same attack, the first dies to hypercritical and then the second dies to the damage of the swing, does hyperviolence get damage from this swing?"

And the answer is "yes, because it's a kill within 1s"

[turbid yarrow]

yeah this with shock on saw feels like a warm knife through butter

[tropic crag]

on a side note is the scum wave decreasing? i've had a few games today that i was the only scum

[worn gull]

I feel like half the hivescum difficulty is all the bugs that came out with them lol

[young herald]

the problem with hypercritical + hyperviolence is not that hypercritical procs and then hyperviolence instantly loses all damage

[worn gull]

I want my small old hitbox back, pox bursters are butchering me rn

[young herald]

that's not how the buff works

[candid flax]

a lot of people left scum after getting it to 30 aye

[limber cradle]

So Hypercrit and Hyperviolence aren't antagonistic with eachother now?

[lost bear]

They are on paper, in practice HV fuels HC

[flat mist]

And if you overkill your first target, and then HC the second, the third target (in the same swing) will have no benefit from HV?

[lost bear]

Especially on Brutal Momentum weapons

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna try that out, neat, ty.

[turbid yarrow]

the hype dying down is pretty normal. happened to arbites, though scum probably dwindled faster due to the fragility of the class

[lost bear]

Scum also didn't stroke people's egos off nearly as hard

[limber cradle]

Ime i stopped getting 4 stack scum games like 6 hours post scum release

[tropic crag]

yeah i don't think its the hype actually dying more that the class is for less people

[limber cradle]

I started seeing Arbs and Ogs first then other classes

[winged dawn]

Arbites lasted way longer though

[young herald]

HV feeds HC by giving you a larger window, but HC is anti-synergy to HV because HC proc means 0 overkill, which means nothing to continue growing HV. If you're able to get another kill within the 1s window though, and its number is bigger than your existing number, it will refresh the buff just fine

[lavish parrot]

Scum showed us how many people don't know how to play the game

[worn gull]

Scum might be my favorite class now, but hoo boy the bugs are pretty killer. And the right side of the tree needs some love

[young herald]

no, it would get the HV damage from the first target

HC procing doesn't immediately turn off HV

it just means that kill does nothing for HV

[tropic crag]

lol as an oggy main forever at heart i know why you saw them first

[flat mist]

Bruh this is what I was asking at the start 💀

[turbid yarrow]

right, as i said, dwindled faster probably due to the fragility. arbites is a walking tank, i know some people who stuck with it because they didn't have to micro their positioning as much

[winged dawn]

But it's normal that scum's hype last less, even if the class was just as loved and broken than arbi, it's not the same thing to be the first class In 3 years or the second class after a great one

[flat mist]

You couldn't articulate it, it turns out

[tight musk]

I heard that arbites on launch was also bugged and broken, but like, in the class's favor, unlike hive scum.

[lavish parrot]

Because arbites can just spam lights and win when scum can't

[placid prairie]

I personally take them both yeah, hc is fueled by hv. Plus I take shivs so if I’m going to get hc off, it’s probably going to already be a strike down so it’s not conflicting with hv

[young herald]

and a 1s window is very small, so missing a single kill from an HC proc will often be enough to lose the chain

[mighty belfry]

Bleed dog was quite possibly the worst experience I have ever had playing this game

[lost bear]

You don't need to keep growing it intentionally though, it already picks up hefty buffs just attacking

[narrow dagger]

which mark of needle gun better

[sturdy linden]

it's crazy how full my lobbies are of Arbies and Ogryns

the Ogryns are fine, the Arbies are just giga annoying

[limber cradle]

So it's kinda like having a fucked up version of decimator?

[mighty belfry]

Because the game just, could not be played.

[sonic pumice]

hey folks, how is the prospect of running the knifes with bleed? is it a good blessing setup?

[astral wing]

maintain the agenda

run scum

[narrow dagger]

why

[sturdy linden]

especially in event missions where they keep unloading the fucking shotgun into mutated poxxers and tossing the whole team all over the place

jackasses

[lost bear]

Flesh tearer and Uncanny/Riposte is a mainstay

[manic wolf]

Yeah, it can be pretty good on Scummer

[young herald]

i gave you the answer immediately; it didn't change from the initial response. Each kill on a swing triggers its own individual instance of the HV check

[worn gull]

Glad I'm done with the event, the fact that it was anti-ranged and everyone was levelling desperado was a bounce castle

[young herald]

no, but the HV feedback loop is a big part of what makes it so insane

[lost bear]

We know this, we're not talking about those interactions

[misty condor]

are ppl taking HC with combat axe? im undecided (going totally by feel)

[placid prairie]

Hv is part of what I love with shivs

[tropic crag]

i def like hive scum more than arby and i like arby, i think oggy will always be my fav class but i'll be playing alot of scum now

[misty condor]

feels like you pwn everything in one swing anyway

[sturdy linden]

Fleshtearer / Riposte

[manic wolf]

HV is just so much better on 90% of weapons imo

[tight musk]

I got overkill damage on the event.

[lost bear]

The feedback loop is cool on paper but as you mentioned, the 1s buff duration is a hard check, it makes it very fragile to upkeep in practice. Defensive responsibility has to come first

[candid flax]

The class doesn't really run anything that compliment bleeds. I'm much more a fan of running precog riposte, the numbers are simply better.

[misty condor]

ya HV non-negotiable

[worn gull]

Did Nimble get fixed btw?

[young herald]

if you can't extrapolate "HC proc leads to an HV value of 0" and "each kill in a swing is its own HV check" to "HV triggers on each individual kill, and an HC proc on the swing just means that HV check has a value of 0", something is severely wrong

[sturdy linden]

there's a bunch of generic +damage you get that affects DoTs. Synergizes decently with a tox setup

[lost bear]

I had to drop Nimble for Precog knives, didnt wanna have to jog back into the fight

[placid prairie]

Personally, because of how short hv’s duration is, I find I don’t care if I lose it

Obviously I’ll try to keep it running, but I’m not upset

[lost bear]

Dude you're repeating yourself like you're saying something new and persuasive when that was never the point made by Irosk

[young herald]

yeah, this shit is hilarious, ngl

[manic wolf]

It doesnt really matter if you do, just whack a random poxie and get shitloads of overkill for your next swing

[gray wharf]

what's dump on crowbar, mobility or defense?

[placid prairie]

Defense

[tropic crag]

honestly HV's 1s uptime kind of needs to be like that otherwise gamers will start gaming it and setting up really dumb things all the time

[gray wharf]

Thanks

[placid prairie]

Oh yeah

[candid flax]

either

[placid prairie]

Hv on paper can still set up incredibly goofy stuff

[young herald]

the guy asked a question and I answered it, and then I got insulted because he couldn't understand the answer

so I'm mildly annoyed

[tight musk]

Speaking of hyper critical, I am stupid and need someone to explain the math behind it to me.

Like, if an enemy has, say, 1000 health, how much damage does my crit need to do to proc insta-death?

[lost bear]

Does it have a buff icon yet with the hotfix?

[young herald]

500+

[tender marten]

501

[placid prairie]

Honestly I don’t care about the math, i just need to know that if I hit hard on a crit I can potentially instakill it

[lost bear]

You missed out on the element about interactions with other shit though, that's why he said you couldn't articulate what he was asking

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm still not sure i totally understand this convo

[tropic crag]

honeslty tide games are made in such a way that you can (usually) play like this and thrive

[placid prairie]

Yup

[limber cradle]

I think missing the beginning of it fucked me

[young herald]

that's the explicit design intent, fwiw

[last marsh]

not gunna lie, fellow crackheads

i fucking love rampage heavy sword

[young herald]

that's a big part of why all the tooltips are super vague and feelycrafty

[placid prairie]

Lol

[young herald]

you're supposed to learn by feel and vibe

it's unhelpful as fuck, but that's what they're going for

[thorny ginkgo]

anyone else having bad server lag?

[young herald]

yes

[tight musk]

I played one mission without Jittery and it felt kinda bad, ngl. My dodges were running out too fast.

[young herald]

servers have been shit all day

all weekend, really

[sturdy linden]

Jittery is a lifesaver on this class

[flat mist]

Apologies. I was under the misapprehension that a lower HV value overrode a larger one. I think a lot of people are.

[manic wolf]

And Fatshark isnt particularly good at descriptions to begin with

[tropic crag]

which i prefer SOLELY because DT and tide games in general are so player skill focused... if DT was a numbers game then i'd care

[lost bear]

Yeah they explicitly said players would optimise the fun out of a game

[young herald]

servers should start clearing up soon though as the free weekend ends

[lost bear]

And they're right

[young herald]

oh 100%

[sturdy linden]

I really should do some weeklies for my other classes but scumming too fun

[manic wolf]

Ended on the 8th didnt it?

[last marsh]

i wish the berettas had stripped down

would be hot

even though you cant really strip down pistols i guess

[small grail]

WHY are random enemies exploding

[tropic crag]

sometimes its a case of the player not knowing what is actually helpful info to have more than it being unhelpful but sometimes yeah its unhelpful

[young herald]

oh did it? I thought it was ending this evening

[sturdy linden]

event mobs

[manic wolf]

I could be wrong, I just heard the 8th the other day

[sturdy linden]

you shoot the tentacles and they pop

[manic wolf]

Which every Desperado player is doing atm

[young herald]

could go either way

[tropic crag]

when one is in the game you can not stay in melee

[young herald]

regardless, servers should be recovering and go back to relative normality soon

[sturdy linden]

ngl I'm doing bodyshots personally

[manic wolf]

Very bizzare choice for a modifier when they release a class with a massive ranged bias

[young herald]

unless it's the event missions that are fucking the servers, then it'll take a couple more weeks

[sturdy linden]

the ttk difference is minimal for regular ass mobs

and it's not like you care about the wasted ammo

[lost bear]

I don't think it's worth trying for headshots with autopistols honestly

[tropic crag]

the class has just as much of a melee bias, just people are afraid to melee

[lost bear]

The weak spot multiplier is so mid

[drowsy relic]

15k just because not too shabby

[candid flax]

you aim?

[crude swallow]

why shivs feels so broken... not in a bad way, but i can't get that feeling from any other weapon HS have...

[candid flax]

i don't

[manic wolf]

Ofc it does, but people are gonna enjoy playing "oh look I never run out of ammo" and thusly this modifier is uhh... putting melee players on the struggle bus

[sturdy linden]

in the general direction

sometimes I will aim, for like snipers and shit

[limber cradle]

Tbh I kinda only use the weakspot damage if I'm using the MW2 ACR that is the Vraks

[lost bear]

Return of the Wutelgi

[tropic crag]

lol maybe i played too much slayer but i just accept that its the price i pay for enjoying the noble art of bonking heads

[zealous ravine]

the shivs defo feel quite a bit stronger than the other 2

[crude swallow]

bit?

[young herald]

hmm, I wonder if this is worth running with chaxe

[manic wolf]

Ive QP'd into the ammo recovery mission like 5 times today lmao

Idk why this one is now so popular

[tropic crag]

probably the only weapon its good on would be my guess

[lost bear]

Fully staggered is on the floor, no?

[young herald]

or getting ripped by a chain weapon (or electrocuted), according to kuli

[gray wharf]

How is finesse on crowbar? Is it still worth grabbing all the crit?

[tropic crag]

i guess its good with rampages knockdown but i would only bring it with a weapon that also knocks down like chaxe

[lavish parrot]

Am I correct for thinking all melee options on hvs are good including the vanilla ones

[lost bear]

Ah right just saw

[crude swallow]

kerillian i guess?

[spark gyro]

Gamers, has anyone tested if this affects the 3 BFFs in your team?

[young herald]

Generally, for most enemies, an enemy is in a 'heavy stagger' state when the animation shows the enemy as being knocked down to the ground. Note that, for this talent, enemies also count as 'heavily staggered' when they are staggered because of (1) ripping heavy attacks from Bone Saw or Crowbar, because (2) a revved up chain weapon is stuck on them, or because of (3) electrocution caused by Zealot's Stunstorm Grenade, by Arbitrator's Shock Mine, by the (Arbites) Shock Maul weapon special, or by weapon blessings Lightning Reflexes and Overwhelming Force.

[tender marten]

oh yea you found it

yes it works

unfortunately you are still the squishiest class in the game and being stuck for a full rev is horrifying

[lost bear]

Just keep in mind that chain weapons were bugged with Adrenaline Smiter

[spark gyro]

I could swear I was restoring more than my stimm's 50% to people, but I can't prove it

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[lost token]

High and attack speed mobility finesse weapon. They tend to towards feeling very good.

[young herald]

yeah, big part of why I like the mk4, it's just light attack spam

[crude swallow]

nah. not "good" - broken

[young herald]

that does stagger rages like a full special does too though, which is why I'm curious if that talent is worth running

[tropic crag]

the really short reach might be part of it, they have tiny hitboxes that don't reach out far

[lavish parrot]

I wouldn't call them broken

[crude swallow]

because i don't feel them having actual downsides

[lost token]

Broken is like the duelling sword when it was finally bounced around to other classes.

[lost bear]

Before the hotfix, if your chain rip kills the target, you don't get any adrenaline stacks for the kill. Haven't tested it post hotfix.

[young herald]

the mk4's light attacks work just fine

[lost bear]

It's a big deal when that's like 10 Adrenaline stacks for an elite

[tropic crag]

they hurt my hand i if i used them too much

[last marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266811599669428234/1448112432214970398/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-09_7-41-21_PM.mp4?ex=693a134c&is=6938c1cc&hm=15bcdc8cecaff11cd2d0ce8ec0d5adf09403d557772742ba66dbee615646dd38&

[astral wing]

good attack pattern alongside decent cleave from tree makes it feel better

[last marsh]

also boom bringer do be boomin

[young herald]

haven't tested the special though

[crude swallow]

hah. well that's yeah

[lost bear]

If the initial bonk kills them you do fine and and you get the Adrenaline stacks, but rip kills don't

[lost token]

The downsides in this case feel more compensated by the rest of what the class is doing.

But i haven't been strained enough yet so my longer thoughts on scum haven't evolved yet.

[crude swallow]

thats not the case for other weapons HS have 🙁

[light phoenix]

What kind of Stimm is everyone running?

I'm thinking of going toughness route to compensate Hive Scum glassiness

[small grail]

Ey didn't notice the boom bringer got buffed. Neat

[gray wharf]

Rending, mostly

[tropic crag]

honeslty daggers are like most fast weapons in tide games, they are really realy good but mostly scale with the player holding them, so alot of people use them and just don't do anything with them

[lost bear]

Nooo

The toughness route is a trap

[gray wharf]

Toughness is the worst route, only for penances

[young herald]

oh my god

it does give you stacks

[gray wharf]

Maybe I'll do it with my shotgun

[young herald]

but never enough to trigger adrenaline

[astral wing]

str and cdr or speed for stims

[amber sapphire]

dude, i swear the same garbage was happening during tainted food missions. These events 100% screw with servers

[tropic crag]

i actually like the toughness route because it lets me trade more toughness to get what i need done, done

[lost token]

I just forgo toughness so much when I get enough to be stable while fighting and taking any chip damage.

[lost bear]

Seems they broke it in a new and interesting way

[tropic crag]

i go above what i need so i can start trading it to do things you can't do without trading damage taken

[sturdy linden]

CDR only. Ability uptime > all. If using crate then I go str + speed trees

[lost token]

I just can't be bothered to look at toughness any more than what's serviceable for my more risky setups between all classes. Scum just has even more in the tank to allow it to intentionally play with being at risk.

[sturdy linden]

you basically stimm the second you come out of Despacito / Rampage so that the abilities come back up ASAP

[young herald]

oh wait no i figured it out

that was initial impacts getting the kill

and those work fine

but the actual rip damage does not

[lost token]

That's totally fair. I'll see how i move with that when i get to it. I explained the rest of my reasoning earlier above this post too.

[lost bear]

Beat me to it heh

[placid prairie]

If anything I worry that toughness regen on melee hit is still gonna reinforce bad habits lol

[sturdy bluff]

Which weapons and marks on good on this char?

[tropic crag]

yeah i don't even think one way is better, its more to make sure you're actually using what you set out to do, extra toughness is wasted if you just like... sit with it

[lost bear]

Makes the chainaxes very rough rn

[sturdy linden]

I feel like for certain weapons you're better off just getting stacks on hit

[young herald]

yeah

[bronze glade]

There's a lot of good weapons, just comes down to build

[young herald]

i just run this with the chaxe

[tropic crag]

on bone saw i found that using stacks per hit is best

[lost bear]

Weak spot hits?

[sturdy bluff]

My least favorite use of the english language.

[young herald]

it's still permanent uptime on adrenaline while in the thick of things regardless

[lost bear]

Could be another way to make up for lack od Smiter

[bronze glade]

I mean your question was really broad

[lost token]

Mhm. Intent is always important with buildcrafting.

[lost bear]

It's really just the start up time yeah

[sturdy bluff]

Just like my shoulders, yes.

[bronze glade]

But standout melee would prob be Rashad. Standout ranged prob DAP, Vraks IAG and Agri Brauto

[tropic crag]

on bone saw i also take uncontrolled aggression just to make it even easier but its honestly not the most needed node

[fading ruin]

Guys should I buy the hive scum class ?

[lost token]

For me, toughness is a suggesstion until enough of what's going on in the game pretty much forces me to reconsider sliding more of it into a build. Otherwise, I'll take just about anytbing else.

[sturdy linden]

I mean, he's right. Off the top of my head: Rashad, Vraks IAG, Taxe (any), Chaxe (any), knife (any), shivs (any), bonesaw, uzis, regular Shredder, Agri Brauto, Graia Brauto, DB shotgun, hsword, chsword...

you get the drift

[tender marten]

Needle Gun fucks.

[young herald]

yeah, i waffle back and forth on that point. Right now, in my current build it's either that or 15% damage on dodge, and I prefer the extra damage

[lost token]

Entirely up to you. If you like playing with risk to show off for yourself, scum is great even if you don't care for the flavor.

[last marsh]

true

[tropic crag]

depends on what you want from a class, but the class is great fun and really good, a bit on the difficult side for new players tho

[fair oar]

It's not the best but I love dual wielding so I bought it

No ragrets

[last marsh]

i fucks with the heavy sword with rampage + adrenaline surge big time.

needle gun is very good

[sturdy bluff]

I like heavy sword, which mark?

[last marsh]

bone saw is good too

[last marsh]

the middle one

[tropic crag]

yeah the damage on dodge is better probably, i'll probably end up taking it out of my build too but i'm not sure

[last marsh]

lemme get the actual name

[young herald]

mk7 is the most fun

[last marsh]

its russian as fuck

[lost token]

Scum is definitely a little more on the side of a class that requires a more conscious pilot to not constantly flounder/fail with.

[last marsh]

this one

[tawny fossil]

What blessings should i be running for needle pistol and why? thank you!

[lost bear]

All of them are good, 9 is easiest, 7 and 6 are best if you csn drag

[last marsh]

desperato, stripped down

[bronze glade]

I hate the 3s uptime on that

[last marsh]

desperado because crits effect poisons

stripped down because its actually really fucking stupid on the gun

[young herald]

why? 3s means it's functionally permanent when you're in the middle of combat

[last marsh]

you can ignore so much gunfire fo so long

[lost token]

If that intimidates you a lot, hold on to them monies for later.

Or if you haven't already done so, just buy arbites for an effective class with more immediate staying power and accessibility. @fading ruin

[young herald]

if you're not dodging every 3s, it means you're not in the thick of things and therefore the damage buff doesn't matter

[bronze glade]

I tested and its close to 33 percent

[last marsh]

also atlas, for my desperado build ive b een using the pistols, not the uzis

[bronze glade]

Dodges often just don't proc

The talent

[young herald]

ah see, that means you're not dodging an attack

[sturdy bluff]

Which blessing on hsword

[young herald]

you're prepositioning to avoid it

[last marsh]

uHHHHHHHHHHHH

fuck i gotta log on

[lost bear]

Scum really struggles to make space outside of a few exceptions that prove the rule

[lost bear]

Deathblow Headtaker

[last marsh]

i think its headtaker- this is it

[sturdy bluff]

Thanks everyone

[young herald]

'swhy I run blackout nades tbh; best way to make space on the class

[tropic crag]

naw alot of melee rotation styles use dodging more for movement and dragging hitboxes than anything else

[young herald]

that and the rampage shout

[lost token]

Scum makes space by hitting hard and fast imo.

[last marsh]

rawket lawnchair is really good to make space rn too

[lost token]

Like just outright killing

[lapis raft]

rampage makes a lot of space ngl

[lost bear]

Rampage shout has been clutch so many times

[young herald]

absolutely not. In fact, the lawnchair is among the worst ways to make space on the scum

[lost token]

Not too different than other methods of playing the game.

[lost bear]

Thought it was meme, but I always find space for it now

[lapis raft]

yea the shout is best part about it just knocks back almost anything

mandatory rampage node imo

[young herald]

the charge time before it shoots makes it a really, really bad idea to pull out the chair when it's times to make space

[lapis raft]

great for revives too because of the AS debuff

[tropic crag]

i've been able to crash into hordes with armor in them and bring them to a dead stop with the bonesaw, scum can make space as well as anyone

[lost token]

Plus yeah. Rampage has the shout attached to it so people that love staying in that lane of tide cc get to have it.

[tropic crag]

just move in funny circles

[lost bear]

Next April Fools FS needs to add a folding steel chair as a weapon

The special is to deploy it and sit down, thus becoming a spectator and invulnerable

[last marsh]

idk man the buffs on it is fat

[lost token]

And crowbar ain't shabby at all in the department of marginal stagger antics.

[lavish parrot]

Zealot coming with a metal chair

[last marsh]

i also dont play havoc; just auric

so maybe its a havoc thing

[lavish parrot]

Havoc fucking sucks

[lost bear]

Is more an immediate pressure thing

[last marsh]

true!!

[tropic crag]

its like the oggy shovel but less choppy more bonky

[last marsh]

i hear nothing but how unfun it is!

[young herald]

the rocket launcher is fantastic now. It does exactly what it should and feels great. It's just... not a great tool for making space

[lost token]

I nowhere near havoc ready on scum.

[lost bear]

Boom Bringer doesn't do well when someone already tonguing your rim

[lapis raft]

best way to make space with bunch of heavies is throw gas nade and then everything in that direction is dead :d

[young herald]

like, if you're surrounded by a horde and they're pressing in on you, pulling out a rocket launcher, spending 2s charging and then shooting it at your feet would, theoretically, kill that horde

[lapis raft]

outside of it being limited theres nothing else that can mke as much space as 1 gas nade i dont think

[lavish parrot]

Rocket launcher is for removing general direction of enemies

[young herald]

but they'd kill you while it's charging

[lost token]

I get there when i get there. Idm chilling out in auric maelstroms and low havocs for now.

[tropic crag]

havoc is fun but only if you find aurics like... super relaxing, like if you're day dreaming during aurics then havocs and be a fun thing to do sometimes, but not always

[lapis raft]

well chem nade

[lost bear]

Whereas damn near everything Arby does makes space bar maybe the axes

[young herald]

yeah, the launcher is for "oh hey, I see a rager patrol in that next room. I don't want to."

[lost token]

I've ignored rpg for now. Can you even slap things with it out? Forgot the footage.

Like the baby shoves from batteries

[tropic crag]

i've seen people using the rocket today and it did well from what i saw

[lost bear]

Launcher is for problem deletion when you have a couple seconds to breathe yeah

[amber sapphire]

flashbang is god tier for throwing away those dogshit floor pox walkers, that always seem to appear when dodge is needed

[lapis raft]

best gamemode for scum is mortis trials anyway, keeping up rampage the whole wave is 10/10 fun :d

[lost bear]

Pocket sand is for when you need to breathe

[lapis raft]

i think i got like 250 kill combo there once with the kill tracker mod

[lost token]

Is it possible to headshot with rpg?

[lapis raft]

looked funny

[young herald]

this is what makes the launcher so weird for the class btw. Scum is all about being hyper reactive and aggressive, while the rocket launcher is all about being predictive and deliberate

[lavish parrot]

Oh boy you wanted to dodge that single crusher's telegraphed overhead?
Would be real shame if poxwalker with increased hitbox appeared outta nowhere

[lost bear]

Poison pocket sand is also terribly funny

[young herald]

it's a weird mix

[tropic crag]

pocket sand just has the most use cases, group of ragers? pocket sand. Government asks you for your id? pocket sand.

[young herald]

and yeah, blackouts with the pocket toxin thing is just wild

[lavish parrot]

I use poison pocket sand with poison crit shivs

Atp I even have an idea of replacing precog with flesh tearer for poison+bleed

[lapis raft]

i think the rpg is more in theme of the actual character, but not the class :d

[young herald]

yeah

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a086ba12-2d12-456f-82c0-231dee223a07/ride-the-meat-bicycle this is what i've been running for the last couple days, updated with the hotfix today

I quite like it

[lost bear]

It is incongruent with the class philosophy but it's a nice change

[obsidian crown]

Rocket would be S tier if it had regen

But for now, I fuck with poison blackout

[lost bear]

Rocket would be BS if it regenerated

[young herald]

it would be so broken

krak grenades but better

[lost bear]

Vets malded again

[obsidian crown]

[lapis raft]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a089693e-d041-4165-83a0-06d61f3db065/dot-knifeshiv im running this atm. funnily enough i barely lost any boss dps after dropping rampage and going for stimm supply instead but clear def suffered quite a bit

still stimm supply very fun

[lost bear]

Do people run Nimble now? I didn't find it helpful, kept ending up as an OSHA case study

[lapis raft]

helps a lot for dodging away from poxbursters doing stupid shit :d

[lost bear]

I dodge twice out of paranoia, and because free weekend I just didn't deal with them and let it be someone else's problem

[manic wolf]

I do yeah, once you get used to the distance is godly

[covert obsidian]

Did they buff HS

everything is SO much easier

[amber sapphire]

Btw, anyone uses immunity to all attacks for 1 sec in vulture nodes? Seems kinda useless, well, during active desperado for sure, outside of it, i guess if u mag dump into gunners

[lapis raft]

one downside of nimble is that i managed to straight up clip through a wall today

and fell through a map

lol

[lost bear]

Dodged into the backrooms

[manic wolf]

I really wish game would stop putting me in matches with floor inspectors ngl, maybe it is free weekend an they've all just hit Auric. Nightmare atm

[obsidian crown]

If you consider desperado 2.0 useless, sure

[amber sapphire]

What, I'm talking about a single node in vulture key stone

[manic wolf]

No, he's saying its literally another form of Desperado

[obsidian crown]

Well. That explains a lot. I’ll not waste my time

[lost bear]

Floor polisher modifier heh

[manic wolf]

It puts you in dodge state for 1s whenever you crit, so provided you're moving, you'll not be getting hit, maybe occasionally, but most of the time, no

[manic wolf]

It do be feeling like that

People going down like 10 times a game to all manner of enemy types

[lost bear]

Had people fucking starting the event altars mid horde

[amber sapphire]

Lol, asking a legit question to learn, and clown posts - won't waste my time

[lost bear]

Like bro, your pronoun is he because you definitely ain't him

I saw you eat shit to three poxers

[trim wind]

it's extremely good

[lost bear]

Extremely good and hard to notice, until you're used to having it and suddenly don't

[manic wolf]

You joke, but that is exactly the kind of shit ive been witnessing this evening. Like we're back to the stage of the game where people dont know you can block or push istg

[amber sapphire]

Ye, i get it, was just wondering if it triggers often enough

[lost bear]

Nonono, not poxbursters, poxwalkers

[manic wolf]

Yes. Poxwalkers.

Its bad out there atm man

[trim wind]

you are always mag dumping as gun scum so yea it's up a good amount

[lost bear]

With how auto fire weapons work you crit a hell of a lot, I wouldn't worry. Also the way Scum ranged plays is usually hold LMB until something pressing comes up anyway

[lost bear]

Ah good we on the same page, and yeah it's dire

[worn gull]

So glad they fixed chem dependency

Chem build feeling a lot better

[amber sapphire]

Alright, sounds very good then

[tight musk]

In the game where I died to a bullshit 180 turn and round the corner jump from a burster, I was spectating an arbites, and he heard a trapper coming behind him while there was no horde, he reacted to it slightly but didn't turn around, didn't react to the sound of the trapper charging up her shot, and got netted. Another scum-mate saved him from the net...only for arbites to get netted literally while in the animation of getting up from the floor, and then die.

Don't know why arbites didn't just turn around and blast the trapper.

[tulip magnet]

It's funny that they needed to reset the trees when they made a functional change that didn't affect the build, but the trees didn't reset when they shuffled which abilities did what

[lavish parrot]

Fent maxxing back on menu?

[manic wolf]

Just got barrelled off the edge at start of gloriana... Ogryn goes to rectify his mistake, get barrelled off by the Zealot... Zealot goes to get us, barrels themselves off whilst fighting a shotgunner ¬.¬

Can't write this shit

[tardy citrus]

my woman just left me. time to fill the hole with mindless darktide i guess.

[manic wolf]

Ahh, thats rough man. Hope you're doin alright

[lost bear]

Take the time to feel shit through and process it as well, when you in the space for it

[tardy citrus]

i am emotionally constipated. automotically started killing the grief soon as it showed up uninvited.

[lost bear]

Idk how you feel about therapy but it may be worth looking into

[tardy citrus]

cannot afford.

[rich sluice]

so is boombringer like, the best blitz now?

[tardy citrus]

but not a bad idea.

[lapis raft]

for basically support build passable i guess, with legit half of my crit missing as i dont have dodge up here

[tardy citrus]

toxin nade still probably

[fair oar]

You're never alone. My beloved is always with you

[tardy citrus]

boom bringer is much better now though

[rich sluice]

i vote boom bringer because of the dopamine aspect, it increases effectiveness and long term usability by 30%

[lost bear]

Some of these teams are comedy skits in composition and in play

[rich sluice]

and thats actual stats

[lost bear]

I'm including myself I got launched again from an Ogryn Kickbacking a horde

[lavish parrot]

Why do we get launched anyway

[main wagon]

My buddy trying to get me up in fire, tox, and with a every disabler in the game running at him:

[lost bear]

Ranged attack kill on the tentacle heads

[main wagon]

I admire his heroism

But god pls don’t throw trying to get me up, just lemme die if you gotta lmao

[lavish parrot]

I died because some ass blew up a fire barrel under me so couldn't dodge out and got stunlocked enough to get oneshotted by crusher

You can't make this shit up

Actual fucking teamkill

[lost bear]

Reports indicate a sizeable number of enemies in this sector are infected with a head parasite"

• Enemies affected by the modifier have a different head model.
• When shot it will explode.
• Head armour-type becomes infested
• 1.25x faster move speed
• Hit mass increased by 1.5x
• Suppression Immune

[mighty belfry]

Are you expecting the average arbitrator to have situational awareness?

[dreamy rover]

Does chem nades enemy poppin lag for you guys?

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/aiming-two-guns-t-pain-that's-just-tips-song-i'm-gonna-shoot-you-you're-going-to-get-shot-gif-10700293614839780253

That’s cool however

[weak hatch]

does the 20% crit from Float like a Butterfly talent proc on ranged attack dodges while Desperado is active?

[lapis raft]

with many enemies sometimes yea

[limber cradle]

Any dodge iirc

[mighty belfry]

Me with my 3 shot double barrel making sure every single one of my teammates will never get close to a horde without being blasted away

[lost bear]

The effects for the chem grenade are not beating the hivescum allegations

First time I saw the puddle I felt spiritually attacked

[limber cradle]

Atp it simply amuses me

Fuck I'll bounce myself point blanking them

[lost bear]

New move tech just dropped

[dreamy rover]

What? You don't like making popcorn?

[cedar cairn]

I support the Boom Bringer because it's hilarious

[limber cradle]

I've taken the vraks pill

Also this weapon skin looks great for scum imo

[lost bear]

Is that the Vigilant muzzle brake?

They're hyuuge compared to the IAG ones

[limber cradle]

Think so, yeah

Looks like it more than any auto muzzle brake

[manic wolf]

Fck it, lobbies are so bad rn im gonna use the solo play mod

[zenith pagoda]

Tanner just released a video saying scum damage is awful, when I literally got 1.4 million tox damage, higher than psyker in havoc

[lost bear]

Haven't bothered reinstalling mods will wait until they finish the hot fixes

[lapis raft]

idk why tanner refuses to use the almighty needler

[cedar cairn]

"Oh cool a mob of 6 Scab Ragers"

[lapis raft]

for melee scum damage

[weak hatch]

Sweetspot talent 25% weakspot damage, this doesnt effect ranged weapons it seems , only melee?

[zenith pagoda]

It affects both but it's ass anyway

[lost bear]

Ironically more useful for melee than ranged

[manic wolf]

It should be universal, but its 25% of the bonus damage you get by weakspotting an enemy, not 25% extra damage, so in other words, its ass

[weak hatch]

ah yeah i was gonna say i literally cannot tell a difference in psykanium with it on

[lost bear]

A lot of Scum ranged has ehhh Finesse/Weak Spot Modifiers

[weak hatch]

is Cheap Shots good with autopistols? i feel like things are dead before they get staggered lol

[dreamy rover]

I think it affects both, actually

[lost bear]

But on something like the Vraks IAG you will feel it

[manic wolf]

Cheapshot isnt really all that good in any context tbh

[limber cradle]

Vraks is the only weapon I use it for rn

But it defo feels good on Vraks

[weak hatch]

sick

[lost bear]

Cheap Shot is a bit of a meme, apparently works with chain weapons. But otherwise, you need mfs to be knocked prone to get the bonus.

[manic wolf]

As a Chainsword enjoyer, I can catagorically tell you..

..I still wont take Cheap Shot

[lost bear]

Cheap shot with Pocket Sand is thematic but so mid

[manic wolf]

Maybe it has an impact for the Crowbar's beak mode heavies, however, they're kinda buns to begin with so 🤷‍♂️

[lost bear]

If it was 30% yeah sure it'd be worth considering

A mini, nerfed Skullcrusher

[unreal osprey]

lost my last 4 scum games in a row and im not even on auric yet

[novel oracle]

You son of a bitch, Fat Shark! You had 175 resilience and 150 health on Difficulty 3 Heretics, and just because you were 20-30 health less, that enemy self-destructing grenade blew me up instantly! You son of a bitch, Fat Shark!

[manic wolf]

Yeah, at 30% it most certainly would be as its not impossible to leverage it, but 10% is a hard sell compared to what else is on offer

[weak hatch]

what blessings and Mark do you like on scum chainswordin?

[limber cradle]

Hey, what're you running on Tac Axe? Flak/Un/Headtaker/Brutal?

Playing around with it and hyper crit rn

[manic wolf]

Rampage/Shred because Chainsword is fast and thusly procs Coated Weapon all the time, which means more base damage, which means more things get chopped into bits

[patent bone]

Can we just get gang colors accurate arm wraps for the Cartel Proud cosmetic? Is all I ask

[novel oracle]

I do cara unyielding bm ht with hv and not hc

[limber cradle]

Gotcha, thank you.

[zealous ravine]

god i hope darktide releases soon i heard it'll have an ogryn class

[manic wolf]

Chainsword Scum is actually like super fun too

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its called the Arbites

[lost bear]

Try Dclaw Scum too

[manic wolf]

Have been meaning to do that actually

Funny parry is funny

[limber cradle]

Oh, one more question, you running tox on crit?

[weak hatch]

mk iv or 3g?

[novel oracle]

For taxe and shivs yea

[limber cradle]

Thought so, thank you

[manic wolf]

Whichever moveset you prefer, it really doesnt matter much

Chainswords are a bit like TacAxe in that respect, all marks are usable, its just down to preference

[tender marten]

with the new locations for these nodes i often find myself with one left over talent point and nothing particularly interesting to put it into

which is a first for any class

[lost bear]

Gonna bring out a Lethal Proximity poison pocket sand build

Let's see how this goes

New grenade Vet just dropped

[tender marten]

lethal prox on the rocket is laughs

[lost bear]

"real sick of your shit, director"

[tropic crag]

i kind of want to try poison rocket now for giggles

[tender marten]

poison rocket is shit

[tropic crag]

i don't expect it to be good, i just think its funny

[tender marten]

its mostly completely imperceptible

everything in the explosion already dies, nothing gets the poison stacks, sadly

[tropic crag]

well yeah, its 3 poison stacks attached to an anti tank weapon

its about the message

[tender marten]

i was hoping things in the extreme edge of the blast would get the stacks

but nada

[trim wind]

there's only one course of action, the rocket needs to be buffed again

[tender marten]

frfr

[tranquil fjord]

xiig has easily accessible heavy strikedowns which is nice for scum on melee builds

[tropic crag]

they should allow the rocket to target the ai director themselves

[obsidian crown]

homing rockets

[tropic crag]

give each rocket a smaller rocket launcher that shoots more rockets

[main wagon]

Nothing stung worse than perfectly threading the needle between a bunch of bulwarks with my rocket

[tender marten]

i did that last round, actually frowned

thankfully we get four of them now

[main wagon]

Only played one game with it since the update but I feel like the longevity of soup can is so much more valuable than just deleting a handful of Ogryn instantly

Like on the off chance my vet tosses a krak or something, my rocket is completely wasted vs maybe chem nade’s AOE remaining on the floor for a few seconds to maybe help clean up the ragers + horde

[obsidian crown]

just got on

the range is goated

[main wagon]

I love the rocket thematically but I just can’t justify it in my setup

[limber cradle]

I'm glad rocket is better

Blinders tho>>>

[tender marten]

tincan has the benefit of ease of use

[main wagon]

I’m so happy it got a facelift

It really needed some help

[tender marten]

big area, long lasting, doesnt matter if you whiff it because you can just reposition to make enemies walk into it

[obsidian crown]

blinders best for sure

[tender marten]

but rocket still has much higher potential and its value is immediacy

[main wagon]

Pocket sand is GOATED

Toxic pocket sand is just disgustingly good

[radiant swift]

tox blinders are very funny

[obsidian crown]

just a fun meme build to take into aurics wiith rocket sometimes

[tender marten]

but yes tox blinders are still the best and honestly it needs a nerf lmao

[limber cradle]

Toxic pocket sand check so many boxes

[obsidian crown]

not everything needs a nerf, jesus christ

[tender marten]

nah they do

nothing crazy

just 2 stacks instead of 3

[limber cradle]

I mean what do you even nerf

[obsidian crown]

"this work well....-nerf"

[limber cradle]

Thats the talent tho

[manic wolf]

Rocket is "oh shit, theres a wall of Bulwarks" removal on demand

[tender marten]

yes

[limber cradle]

Not pocket sand

[tender marten]

but the talent is what makes them ridiculous

blinders by themselves are fantastic

its the tox blinders that are ridiculous

[main wagon]

Rocket prolly better for bosses and such because I don’t think daemonhost even gets chem buildup from the floor BUT I have shivs for fighting bosses

[drifting heron]

Hearing today's update broke a bunch of stuff, how true is that

[lapis raft]

idk if they deserve nerf before they fix the trigger condition not being counted by dots, after that sure. but if you play toxin build then blinders feel actually terrible to use

[tender marten]

lots of grumbling but i have had no issues. conclusion: people suck at computers

[manic wolf]

Not heard of anything being broken that wasnt already, but thats just what ive heard

[lapis raft]

and if you nerf them on top then amazing for sure

[drifting heron]

Like in game

[dreamy rover]

Is Uncanny strike worth it on shivs?

[manic wolf]

Yes

[main wagon]

Idk I run mods and my shit is fine

[drifting heron]

Broke the game not the mods

[ocean fiber]

probably depends on what you're running

[main wagon]

Can you like, clarify what you heard?

Are you concerned about talent tree bugs? Game breaking crashes? Idk what you’re asking about

But I haven’t had any since the update

[fair oar]

I heard psykers just dont explode

I need to try it when I get home

[main wagon]

Apparently they fixed a couple game breaking interactions in the patch

Wouldn’t surprise me if they introduced a couple new ones bc you know, Fatshark

[obsidian crown]

aight, time to test this rocket in an auric

[lost bear]

Doesn't help that it's like 50% of the people using this engine

[fair oar]

They better not have fixed psykers

Let me have some fun before the fix

[lost bear]

How'd they break Psykers?

[novel oracle]

Most sources of peril dont overload you
Same with plasma, but most people drop to 3fps when firing it
Helbore is always considered max

[low harbor]

It is true

Psyker got historical buff (peril is not a mechanic anymore)

Plasma tanks u to PowerPoint tier fps

[novel oracle]

If i load into a game with a psyker im instantly leaving until its fixed

[low harbor]

Psyker now only needs ~96 nerfs to be balanced

As opposed to ~95 before this hotfix

[tender marten]

double infinity smite

[fair oar]

Let me have my fun ok I shouldnt be punished for having a job

[amber sapphire]

holy fuck, real?

[low harbor]

Yea real lol

[latent belfry]

too busy scummin for allat

[novel oracle]

I dont see how having a job means youre being punished when you use the gamebreakingly op class without it having 2x the gamebreak

[zealous ravine]

NEW PSYKER BUFF DROPPED!!!!!!!!!! 🔥 🔥

[low harbor]

I hope 2026 is filled to the brim with good psyker nerfs

[zealous ravine]

nope

[stuck bobcat]

Psyker buffs only

[zealous ravine]

studios ACTUALLY haunted they'll end up as buffs no matter what they do

[amber sapphire]

Lmao, ok, I'll have fun on h40 for a couple of days

[fair oar]

These muggles think us witches should be nerfed. Filthy mudbloods

[woeful trellis]

"soulblaze was not doing as much damage as chem tox. as such, soulblaze damage has been doubled"

[zealous ravine]

at best the buffs can be delayed a little

[stuck bobcat]

"we've decided to nerf psyker by making it harder to vent by reducing passive vent"
everyone liked that

[haughty slate]

why is the range on the stim crate 2 inches in diameter?

[novel oracle]

Its been overdue for about

Uh

How long has darktide been out again

[fair oar]

Muggles

[low harbor]

At this rate they could do x200% toughness damage taken while >50% peril and giving every enemy x30% warp damage taken

[zealous ravine]

it comes out tomorrow

[low harbor]

Then psyker could prob be a balanced class

[limber cradle]

Ive decided theres no worse silent enemy than a fucking poxburster

[zealous ravine]

just obliterate inf cleave please

turn it to dust

[manic wolf]

Yeup. Infinite cleave is fucking bogus

[low harbor]

Psyker as a whole needs to get obliterated sorry

[zealous ravine]

nope

[limber cradle]

I just had one of these fucks run up behind me in the dark

[zealous ravine]

they have 1 good thing so that cannot happen

well maybe you can give the force gs to hive scum then im fine with it

[limber cradle]

Hell yeah

[zealous ravine]

hive scum with 2 hander...

[lost bear]

At minimum the LMB puffs on inferno are doing too much to keep it safe

[low harbor]

Give every enemy x30% warp damage taken and give psyker x200% toughness damage taken while above 50% peril

[lost bear]

No class should be able to run through the game on just their secondary weapon

[low harbor]

Also when psyker dies the character gets deleted

Consumed by tzeentch or smth

[lost bear]

Daemonhost spawns

[low harbor]

(I’m joking obv)

[lost bear]

Unbound daemonhost

[fair oar]

You're nerfing hive scum

[azure mist]

Im so excited to do nothing but M2 Smite all game!!!!

[zealous ravine]

delete all psyker staves and smite

[lost bear]

Yes

Change Psyker to Biomancer

Muscle Wizard

I cast Fist (Hammerhand)

[fair oar]

It's the 41st millennium. We should all have infinite ammo

[versed spruce]

My electro staff :(

[lost bear]

Every wizard archetype is invariably insufferable, both inherently and from the people who make it a personality trait

[zealous ravine]

sorry no1 even uses the electro part of it

might as well remove it

[brittle sierra]

*felids

[fair oar]

Muggles cant handle being inferior to us magic wielders.

[azure mist]

Pot Bellied Pig

[brittle sierra]

Wait is that a Harry Potter reference??🤕🤮

[versed spruce]

Everyone who didn't use the electro part of it stopped using it when they removed being able to quell cancel

[lilac ermine]

Guys is patient hunter worth it

[amber sundial]

Has the imperium made a capsule that you can put around a psykers head that mimics the splitting headaches of a blank yet?

[lilac ermine]

Or is there enough enemy in havoc to not need

[versed spruce]

Which would only be 95% of people who used it

xd

[zealous ravine]

electro staff moment

it doesnt even ahve any cool mechanics

[lost bear]

Well there was the period when EP broke it

[amber sundial]

Just turn electro staff into smite and remove smite

[lost bear]

Gave it like triple damage

[versed spruce]

Well you see, it's the only cool electricity that psyker has

[brittle sierra]

Yes it does

[versed spruce]

That's its mechanic

[zealous ravine]

thats a specimen

[lost bear]

And also the period where hit location was completely randomised without any normalising so it was complete ass on the secondary fire

Warp lightning shocked someone's pinky for 1/4 damage or something

[low harbor]

It still is randomized body part hit

[near vapor]

@high gull ya boy got a look he vibe with now

[lost bear]

They tweaked it to be less punishing since, IIRC

[limber cradle]

Yeah, this is good set up, ty.

[low harbor]

Don’t remember that happening

[limber cradle]

Running it as a secondary to Vraks

[high gull]

I fucks with it

[low harbor]

It’s still randomized body part maybe they tweaked it to favor torso more

[brittle sierra]

Demonhost after you accidentally shot a toxic dart into it:

[high gull]

I got background noise for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMBimz_d8bM

[lost bear]

Yeah that's why I mentioned they didn't normalise anything in the original draft

[zenith pagoda]

Demonhost when I shoot 10 more:

[lost bear]

Also unrelated

Hyperviolence + Hypercritical conflicts on paper, in practice it's mondo damage, no?

[near vapor]

sole survivor analog horror

[high gull]

I mean it's fucking scary when you think about it

Imagine being some normal ass person in post apoc america

[low harbor]

in practice it's fine to take them together

[high gull]

And then this dude just shows up

And kills 5 dudes flat

[low harbor]

most other melee dmg talents not as good as them

[sinful matrix]

I feel like it'd depend on when you're recruited by a FO protag

[low harbor]

bro is just jorking his sword

[drifting heron]

Infinite peril

[sinful matrix]

Like at the start of FO3? Yeah whatever, you're mostly just helping a kid find his dad nbd

[drifting heron]

Infinite sword stroke

[sinful matrix]

But you hop in half-way through and now this kid is murdering super mutants left and right with a pair of boxing gloves in downtown DC

and you're wondering when it'll be you next

[versed spruce]

I think NV's protag is scary from the start

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, FNV protag would be a terrifying employer at any part of their journey

[lapis raft]

huge buff

[charred bronze]

just played with it and it was pretty delightful, ngl.

Sometimes elites would just drop if I brushed them lightly. Maybe numbers would say otherwise, but I'm playing without mods right now

[amber sundial]

Is this also the reason I had a plague ogryn a few hours ago deal zero damage at all?

[limber cradle]

I really like the psychotic courier art

[versed spruce]

One of the first conversational options you get with most companions is
"Who's Benny?"
"He put me in the grave, but I climbed out"

Scar on the forehead so you know they're not just talking crazy

[high gull]

Idk

I'd feel somewhat safe around the courier

Brother took two to the head

Got up

Got his brain, spine, and heart scooped out

And survived this

Brother walked the divide

[versed spruce]

Plus couriers in lore are already known to be very dangerous IIRC

[plucky nymph]

i was wondering how i died, that force field got a big explosion range

[high gull]

Caesar's assassins are usually employed as couriers

I guess it's a way of talking yourself out of

"Why are you here"

[charred bronze]

explosion ranges is too big right now. They're aware but not hotfixed yet

[versed spruce]

That's a new one

[high gull]

No one is gonna question a wandering mail man

[versed spruce]

Where do you see that lore?

[high gull]

Talk to Ulyssess

That was literally his profession

[sand tendon]

is the rocket supposed to be visible

[high gull]

And I believe either him or Lucius or Vulpes talks about this aswell

But I'm pretty sure Ulyssess says it

[latent belfry]

frumentari can be just about anyone, theyre spies meant to infiltrate enemy structures

[high gull]

Ulyssess was suppose to originally get the platinum chip

[versed spruce]

The only way I talk to Vulpes is ten mines and forty grenade launcher shots from a rooftop away at level 5

[latent belfry]

one of them is a captain in the ncr sent to infiltrate the army years before they ever even met in combat

[tropic crag]

thats just your pet rocket

[near vapor]

bear bull bear bull...

[versed spruce]

me when I'm excited about large mammals or something

[sand tendon]

is the rocket supposed to cleave through sniper head

[latent belfry]

I can't bear to hear you say another word...

[tropic crag]

snipers don't have alot of head to cleave through tbh

[latent belfry]

not to mention d*rktide but uhhh how do yall run your needleguns w blessings/perks

and is it damage dump stat

[sand tendon]

i lied it's not just the head it's their body

[high gull]

You know what's funny

[azure mist]

God everyone is playing Psyker

[high gull]

Out of everyone in the Legion

[tropic crag]

i dumped stopping power and use run and gun and ghost but i might be dumb... either way it doesn't need anything

[high gull]

And all the shit done to him by them

[azure mist]

why is everyone playing Psyker

[high gull]

Ulyssess doesn't hate anyone

Except Vulpes

[versed spruce]

Why him?

[low harbor]

they giga buffed psyker again

mistakenly

[high gull]

He was there when his tribe got taken over and assimilated.

[versed spruce]

Nipton was cringe but probably not nearly the worst the Legion has done before

Ahh

[azure mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1400646027362697228/1420525714720952370/fatshark.gif

[versed spruce]

That would do it

[tropic crag]

how did they get buffed?

[worn gull]

What are the chem axe blessings and perks?

[high gull]

Another thing.

[rose flax]

👀

[low harbor]

peril bugged out as a mechanic

[near vapor]

run n gun & stripped down

[high gull]

If you go back and listen to the conversations

Ulyssess was apparently sent to kill Joshua

[low harbor]

u can't blow urself up unless u use inferno or EK charge atks

[sand tendon]

rocket cleaves the body

[latent belfry]

im guessing flak cara

[near vapor]

I like flak and unyielding to buff the dot against those

[low harbor]

so now psyker does 10x everyone else's dps

[high gull]

Just like real life

[near vapor]

3 needles to a crusher should kill a crusher

[low harbor]

while having inf ammo

[high gull]

[near vapor]

without cara

[low harbor]

and no "downside" from peril mechanic

[near vapor]

not sure cara 25% would change the breakpoint

[azure mist]

Yeah im just not gonna play with psykers

ever

till this is fixed

issue is everyone is playing Psyker

[versed spruce]

I almost wanna guess internal Legion manipulations but it was probably just because Joshua was a high ranking officer

[sand tendon]

there is a max cleave on it?

[tropic crag]

its just like machine gun kruber has come back from the grave... with less BOOOM BOOOM ear bleed

[high gull]

No idea

But I mean it's easy to put 2 and to together

[sinful matrix]

what issue

[high gull]

You meet Joshua

He says he was expecting a courier, just not you

Guess who else is a courier

Ulysses

[tropic crag]

aint that a kick in the head

[high gull]

I do wanna see how a fight between Graham and Ulysses would play out tho

Cause they're both stupid strong

[versed spruce]

Sometimes I wonder how NV would have been if the devs were allowed the time they needed to actually finish it

[sand tendon]

only cleaves 1 groaner/walker or whatever these are called

[azure mist]

bro holy shit its nothing but Psyker stacks

[tropic crag]

the day obsidian doesn't have a deadline is the day the perfect game will come out

[azure mist]

8th match so far

[latent belfry]

Graham has a much better strategic mind but Ulysses would probably win in a straight up confrontation

[versed spruce]

Bethesda malding that NV is (arguably) the most beloved title

[high gull]

Fallout NV woulda been golden with like maybe another year or two in the oven

[versed spruce]

And they didn't even make it

[high gull]

How so?

They both seem hyper intelligent

[near vapor]

ulysses is a dumbass bro

[high gull]

Especially seeing how Ulysses can just hack military robots

[near vapor]

bro's solution comes down to petty nihilism

[tropic crag]

they can't be mad man, obsidian does everyone's rpg's better because they do characters so well, even the buggy mess that is kotor 2 has amazing characters for the day

[versed spruce]

Ulysses is a centrist doomer 😞

[near vapor]

Im gonna fucking nuke and condemn more millions to death bro

[high gull]

I wouldn't call him dumb

The way I see it right

Bro is smart as shit

But he's overly emotional aswell.

And I kinda get that right

[latent belfry]

Someone can be smart and not make good decisions

[high gull]

You're trying to run away from the life of a glorified assassin

You finally find the ONE place at the end of civilization that's somewhat rebuilt

And it just gets fucking nuked

[glacial gyro]

"You see, the corrupt democracy is just as bad as the actual slaver fascist"

like bro get off reddit

[high gull]

You also almost fucking die if not for pure luck

So yeah I can get the crash out

[near vapor]

like he unfairly conflates the unfortunate incident at Hopeville with the Courier being actively malicious

[high gull]

Especially when you know the person responsible.

[near vapor]

when bro is just doing his job as a....Courier

[tropic crag]

i'm actually looking forward to the next season of the fallout show... its not perfect but its fun

[high gull]

It's gonna be weird lore wise cause

The Legion still exists

And House is still alive

Along with the NCR

[gaunt umbra]

How does one "proc" adrenaline frenzy ? I assume proc means procure?

[high gull]

That makes no sense because in ALL except one ending

House dies

[tropic crag]

i'm just accepting whatever lore it throws at me, i survived the fall out 3 lore craziness so i can survive the show

[low harbor]

yea it's chalked

[versed spruce]

Enlightened centrists when they step up to the microphone that no one handed them and say: "Both sides are bad"

[low harbor]

u wanna play private games? @azure mist

[rich sluice]

I thought you guys are talking about current us politics, I was reading back this chat being confused for 3 minutes straight I was trying to figure out which youtuber Ulysses is

[near vapor]

Programmed random occurence

[latent belfry]

We lost more from fo2 > 3 than we will here tbh

[versed spruce]

Oh we were starting to get there anyway LMFAO

[latent belfry]

I miss a lot of the supernatural aspects of early fallout

[versed spruce]

Er I mean

Yeah bear and bull

[versed spruce]

The newer titles still hold some of the supernatural stuff

[high gull]

There's no wanamingo

[tropic crag]

its def less weird tho

[versed spruce]

I think it's neat for it to be a suggestion that you have to read into

[tropic crag]

more silly

[near vapor]

Hitting an enemy with a melee attack grants stacks of Adrenaline (up to 30); can generate multiple stacks per swing when cleaving. Critical melee attacks generate 1 additional stack per enemy hit. These Adrenaline stacks last for 2s and are dropped one by one. When 30 stacks of Adrenaline have been reached, all stacks are dropped at once and Adrenaline Frenzy is granted for 10s; can be refreshed during active duration.

Note that revved up attacks from chain weapons generate stacks only on the initial hit, the individual sawing damage ticks do not generate stacks.```

[tropic crag]

both are weird and silly tho

[glacial gyro]

I'm waiting for Trump to call me into his tent and ask me to fix the surgery machine he needs to live

[high gull]

Fallout been trying to lean into the Dunwich thing

I forgot the name of the genre

But it's like the Cthulu mythos shit

[near vapor]

ong tho

[high gull]

It's been pushing that since FO3

[versed spruce]

I was gonna say

[near vapor]

thats literally Ulysses

[versed spruce]

Eldritch horror

[gaunt umbra]

Is it a perk I need to stone in or is it just something that happens with melee weapons?

[high gull]

I got it

[tropic crag]

yeah they've been putting in some sort of outer god stuff in the newer fallout series, even some in 76 i think? i've not played it just have friends who have tho

[high gull]

Cosmic horror

[near vapor]

oh the republic is just as bad as the slaver marauders graaaa

[near vapor]

its a keystone for scum so you need to have it activated first yea

[mighty belfry]

Survivor's guilt is never based upon rationale.

[high gull]

In all fairness, both factions are utter dog shit, but I'd take the NCR over slavers any day.

[gaunt umbra]

Aiight then

[mighty belfry]

Ulysses isn't dumb. He isn't rational either though.

[high gull]

The ncr are corrupt as fuck and incredibly homophobic.

[tropic crag]

lol basically

[high gull]

If you talk to the guy at the long 15 outpost

Brother tells you they don't tolerate homosexuality in the NCR

[gaunt umbra]

Found it

Gonna work on my dependency challenge then swap roots

[high gull]

Which is fucking funny cause Caesar's legion also has that policy, but the guys still engage in same sex partnerships

[near vapor]

Cass's quote sums it best

Nobody's dick's that long, not even Long Dick Johnson. And he had a fucking long dick

overstretched and outmanned..

[tropic crag]

cass is a good character

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings have y'all been using on the stubs

[versed spruce]

Who up revengeing they shit rn

[manic wolf]

Hmm... Event modifer, no Maelstrom an pushing nearly 1mil with hybrid melee/gun setup.. might be somethign to this

[sinful matrix]

aw

that's the one thing I miss from the scoreboard mod

[limber cradle]

Yes man best faction

[sinful matrix]

crit%

that and weakspot hits tbh

[tender marten]

tunnel snakes rule

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. I mean you can infer how much you're gonna get by your average crit chance, but seeing it is nice

[sinful matrix]

kinda funny seeing all the people who aim centermass with melee weapons

[near vapor]

I should get power DI

[sinful matrix]

and ammo useage

[tropic crag]

headshots matter alot in melee yeah

[near vapor]

Ive uninstalled all my scoreboard mods before

[versed spruce]

A shame that Yes Man ending doesn't let you choose more how the ending goes beyond "muh anarchy"

[sinful matrix]

Just those tree stats are the things I've missed running vanilla dt for so long

[versed spruce]

Other than decisions you make in quests, that is

[sinful matrix]

Ammo one is mostly seeing my gungryn picking up 17 fat bags of ammo every match

[azure mist]

@low harbor if we say fuck it pubs im making it my mission to make it as miserable with any Psyker we get matched with as possible

[manic wolf]

Mine is so low in that game coz Shredder go brr

[sinful matrix]

I've been playing vanilla darktide since like late '23 or something

Took a big break and couldn't be assed to update mods and stuff and just stuck with vanilla since

[tropic crag]

i've been playing vanilla tide since they added chat block to vt2, before that i just used chat block and the mod that turned friendly fire indicators green... but they added that to the game also

[modest patio]

azre the builds in pins bugged?

[near vapor]

use auto mod loader

it removes the need to write your own load order

[tight hinge]

i'd like a boom

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I meant literally updating mods to get rid of crashing issues etc

[near vapor]

most mods are updated already

[limber cradle]

Doesn't matter, I'm in charge with my big ass robot army

[tropic crag]

because i uninstall dt so much i just can't be bothered to mod on top of that

[near vapor]

honestly run n gun & whatever

[manic wolf]

Just keep it minimal

[near vapor]

sustained fire prolly the best

pinning fire procs too slow..

[tropic crag]

i feel like alot of the scums weapons have options for blessings, like there are some clear best but still good options besides those

[sinful matrix]

On the DSP? God I'd need to open the game 😭

[manic wolf]

The only things you really need is stuff like a scoreboard/data board, show crit chance and creature spawner

[sturdy marsh]

Cool I'll give it a try. I've been trying to use the stubs on a desperado build, it's kinda fun.

[sinful matrix]

If I'm opening a game its so I can stare at the world map of CK3 and end up not choosing anyone to play

[near vapor]

apart from the necessities I got many QoL mods

for one. Being able to open the inventory Using I on the psykh

[obsidian crown]

man just had an iinsannely high eliite count game in auriic

[manic wolf]

No reason not to if you update it regularly

[near vapor]

because why not Fatshark

[obsidian crown]

that was not normal

[sinful matrix]

this is in vanilla by the way

[manic wolf]

Though I must admit, I cant live without FullAuto

[sinful matrix]

I don't know when it was added but you've been able to do that for awhile now

[manic wolf]

Oops all ragers?

[obsidian crown]

177 ranged elites, so no

[near vapor]

it wasnt available for a solid 1-2 years iirc

[manic wolf]

Oh ranged, I just saw big number lol

[near vapor]

weaponfov

[modern harness]

is maxed out chems bugged its not displaying 4 stacks only 3

[manic wolf]

?

[near vapor]

because why cant I modify my weapon fov fatshark

[sinful matrix]

that ^

[near vapor]

default FOV (like in TF2) sucks

[manic wolf]

Oh gotcha

[sinful matrix]

Changing FOV on weapons is nice

You can zoom out IAGs

[obsidian crown]

rocket was funny to use though

[sinful matrix]

or zoom in stuff if you want

[obsidian crown]

deleted a huge packk of like 15 crushers

[manic wolf]

Rocket is really good now imo

[tropic crag]

lol someone insulted the directors mother

[manic wolf]

Like actually worth taking

Plus people will feed you grenade boxes like candy, so thats nice

[near vapor]

I get fed ammo boxes

especially if Im the plasma vet

[versed spruce]

Yeah I just headcanon my Yes Man endings

[sullen ridge]

they fly now?

[near vapor]

it happens

super impact..

[somber frigate]

I just had a funny enought, pickpocket can just ammo dump their guns can't they

[charred bronze]

question: is it actually better than the tox grenade?

[high gull]

Something Ithat's wild is, without player intervention the Legion woulda won, then lose weeks if not months later.

[carmine solar]

i was top damage by a very large margin every game from lvl 21 in auric as hivescum with a ranged pickpocket build. its that busted if you know how to use it correctly

[somber frigate]

Though i guess if it also lowers magazine size that means more reloads. Meh.

[somber frigate]

Did you ammo dump your weapon of choice? Just curious.

When I said ammo dump I meant

the stat

[carmine solar]

oh

[manic wolf]

At this point, Im not sure tbh. It has much more on demand elite removal potential. People are still gonna shill for surstromming grenade but I think its a competative choice at this point

[carmine solar]

nvm

[somber frigate]

lol

[carmine solar]

i thought you meant just ammo dump the weapon tbh

lmao

[charred bronze]

no, because it affects magazine size

[somber frigate]

#hivescum-class message

yeah i mentioned that too

i sads

[manic wolf]

Like at this point, if im not running Boombringer and I end up in a lobby with someone who is, I will feed them grenades, whereas I wouldnt with someone with surstromming grenade so if thats the marker you're looking for 🤷‍♂️

[charred bronze]

interesting

would you say it's better than kraks?

[obsidian crown]

having 4 rockets is fun

[somber frigate]

Hmmm, you could ammo dump needle gun if you're desperado/pickpocket maybe? You only lose a few shots I think

[trim wind]

alot more aoe than a krak

[manic wolf]

In a per-shot value basis, yes, but in practical terms, probably not because kraks regen, however it has a lot more killing potential

[charred bronze]

maybe, but why would you play needler with pickpocket?

[trim wind]

why would you lose shots doing pickpocket

[charred bronze]

there's a chain of suboptimal choices leading to that

[manic wolf]

Like it really is "all that shit over there needs to die" juice

[somber frigate]

some people have been talking about desperado with needle gun

[somber frigate]

Misreading, i'm saying you lose shots going 60% ammo on needle gun

[obsidian crown]

why though

just why?

[trim wind]

oh

[charred bronze]

person was asking whether you could dump the ammo stat on a gun instead of mobility because pickpocket is infinite ammo

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. Desperado is not a good fit for Needlegun

[charred bronze]

it really doesn't make sense to me. The needler is a very very very good secondary to melee or tox, but it's not a good despacito weapon imo

[obsidian crown]

because it doesn''t benefit from the ranged nodes at all

💀

[manic wolf]

The one thing I would question about it though...

[novel oracle]

I mean you can use the alt fire of the 2 and spam that now cuz it does now refresh its duration

[manic wolf]

Is do kills made by the toxin spread effect count towards uptime? Not the initial target that gets hit with the spread needle, but the ones that die from the spread DoT

[charred bronze]

it also kills slowly. I don't even know if the tick kills count toward keeping desperado going either

[novel oracle]

Id assume so but I personally havent checked

[somber frigate]

I could see it maybe if the rending and damage increase of Pick Your Targets of desperado applies to chem toxin

[obsidian crown]

it does, but like, it doesn't benefit from the ranged buffs at all

[somber frigate]

like does it benefit from rending