hivescum-class

[low harbor]

not sure

[brave wadi]

So would practiced deployment be worth it on a 75s cd stim with chem dependency?

[keen timber]

like i would actually remove everything here

i dont think 5% crit beats 10% melee damage ever

[unreal stirrup]

i have the countdown mod and it working

lemme test real quocl

[dim moth]

yeah easily

[main trellis]

Beats it when you use crit weapons & crit talents below ALWAYS
10% melee dmg is like the worst aura you can take; if i would go melee non crit i would take gunslinger for the team

[rose flax]

Oh right, never specifically say what was the issue usually lol
Also what do you mean? Sample collector never was broken

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/Eh5IHZh just kill them

[dense hollow]

@rose flax you can spend the exact same amount of points pathing down at the start like this and it'd be an easy improvement

[keen timber]

yeah that's a huge improvement already

[unreal stirrup]

@low harbor

crate doesnt count as being stimmed ig

[calm aurora]

are you using in your face?

[unreal stirrup]

since it long lasting and blessed stim doesnt seem to work with crate

[keen timber]

if i were going for crit I'd probably end up doing something like this. roughly.

[rose flax]

Does anyone know if untouchable seems to work?

[keen timber]

i dont think hyperviolence is even worth it tbh

[calm aurora]

it worked for me

[main trellis]

Could be better

[keen timber]

I tried to preserve some of the original build

[calm aurora]

try it on a weapon with brutal momentum or deathblow

[split lagoon]

I'm not sure how I feel about the stimm supply

[dense hollow]

hyper violence is like possibly one of the most insane nodes on the tree on some weapons

[placid prairie]

Hyperviolence makes for some very fun mulching

[keen timber]

does it work with hypercrit now?

[placid prairie]

The true blender experience with shivs

[drifting heron]

No

[split lagoon]

On shivs are meh, I believe

[dense hollow]

they're mutually exclusive because hyper crit will kill your overkill damage

[keen timber]

ok so we're back to "I dont think hyperviolence is worth it"

[azure mist]

Personal opinion run chem dependency if you’re using anything but crate, practiced paired with sample collecter and a high CD stim with like Adrenaline keystone is pretty fucking insane

[drifting heron]

It probably won't ever

[keen timber]

yeah i jmean

that's sort of the point

this build has hypercrit

so

[plush cove]

honestly what is this supposed to do?

[drifting heron]

Swift certainty

[keen timber]

lets you run at shooters and dodge their shit even when u hawve no stam

[azure mist]

It’s been fixed so it’s not terrible now but it does directly clash with violence

One or the other not both

[fickle socket]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1pi50cz/visualization_of_the_hive_scum_skill_tree_shuffle/

[plush cove]

ohh I see

i see

[main trellis]

Even on a crit build i don’t take hypercritical
I take hyperviolence

[keen timber]

yep I think that's the better option

[drifting heron]

Hyperviolence is just better for melee

[keen timber]

again, tried to preserve some of the original setup

[halcyon adder]

what about hyperdrama

[keen timber]

it's not remotely close to what id run

[split lagoon]

Isn't fixed the synergy between stimm supply and chemical dependency?

[keen timber]

im not running crit atm either, i much prefer raw power

[main trellis]

Not including 25% weakspot talent is diabolical tho

[keen timber]

i really dont think it's worth it

[azure mist]

Yeah they finally fixed it but imo if you’re upkeeping your kills from Sample

[keen timber]

im heavily biased against a lot of the weakspot stuff

[random shuttle]

the biggest win of this hotfix

legit

[keen timber]

because i know they calc weird

[azure mist]

I just run Practiced + sample with a 75s Stimm

[keen timber]

and aren't like, 25% total damage

[main trellis]

Why do you think vet takes precision strikes all the time?

[random shuttle]

is the ackonwledgement that the explosions being bigger wasn't a mass hallucination

[fickle socket]

the reddit pose is pretty nice visual

[main trellis]

Think mah boi; think

[plush cove]

tho probably not necessary with Desperado lol, not TOO needed anyway

[keen timber]

Chief the last time I played this game was 2023, I don't even know if vet HAD that as a node back then

I am four talent tree reworks behind

[radiant swift]

it very much didn't have that node

[calm aurora]

you're lucky in a way

[split lagoon]

I'm running the 15 secs cartel special, not sure if it's worth anymore now

[rose flax]

#hivescum-class message

[unreal stirrup]

is stim crate suppose to give stim bonus when it is on coooldown

[dense hollow]

no

does it?

[calm aurora]

25 wp dmg is roughly 10-15% dmg

[main trellis]

Well then know this;
Not including 25% weakspot talent on a melee build is hyperpepega move; don’t be a pepega - be smart

[keen timber]

ok that's better than expected

[calm aurora]

and on a finesse weapon it's goated

[azure mist]

Dependency at that point seeing from basic experimentation the % back on kill with a lower time on stimms is just not worth much investment even though it’s an insane talent

75s giving you like a full second per kill vs .2 on a 15 second stimm

[split lagoon]

Any suggestion to try out?

[keen timber]

im a zealot main, I don't think being smart is in my talent tree, sorry

[unreal stirrup]

worked in both psykarium and real game

@dense hollow

oh nvm it didnt

[ruby marsh]

I've come to the conclusion that I don't like the Rocket Launcher

[unreal stirrup]

but i swear sometime it does

[fast surge]

Oh looking at the patch notes bursters actually were bugged wow

Or rather they still are

[winter galleon]

*are

prob wont be fixed until after new years, id imagine team headed into vacation

[azure mist]

I’d honestly say a full CDR + whatever else you’re feeling on like really anything you plan to spam out as much as possible

[ruby marsh]

What was up with them?

[lilac marten]

i just saw from the hive scum another update... and for me the weird thing is... Bone saw Fixed an issue where the weapon could get stuck in the blocking animation? what does that even mean?

[ruby marsh]

Or is

[drowsy relic]

They might get a hotfix in soon they've done 2 a week before

[fast surge]

Increased explosion radius

[drowsy relic]

You would sometimes get stuck blocking until you switched off the saw

[azure mist]

Literally in the wording, I’ve had it happen a few times

Just switch off the saw to fix it

[high gull]

@limber cradle Man it's been a while since I played arby

[lilac marten]

[high gull]

I forgot how it just lets you play god

[split lagoon]

And any path in particular in the stimm lab?

[turbid fulcrum]

What are the best saw combos btw? For hordes, Ive just been doing push into light

[hazy vector]

I Bet most of those were chinese

[lilac marten]

[high gull]

Fucken walk down a pack of literally anything and just go

"Nope"

[calm aurora]

what if we made vet exhausted after exec stance ? 😄

[unreal stirrup]

full stamina on rampage

[azure mist]

Seeing it’s dependency this is quite literally a “Experiment” response lmao

[unreal stirrup]

full strength on desperado

[winter galleon]

honestly every class feels like playign god after playing scum, since can ignore fundamentals and just blast. scum is fun but its definitely a difficulty increase to play vs like arbi or vet

[unreal stirrup]

use stim inbetween rampage so you dont get caught lacking

[azure mist]

Basically you either go a low investment cartel special for more uptime or a high investment with sample collecter so you get good buffs also but you have to get kills to keep that uptime

[turbid fulcrum]

pls halp

[azure mist]

That is if you’re running the 4 stack node

If not youll always have 15 seconds to spare for the base keystone

[calm aurora]

you can check reginald's video on youtube

he describes the combos

[autumn hazel]

Has anyone encountered bug on blinder grenade. Suddenly i cant use it midgame

Pressing it doesnt work

[calm aurora]

you use mods?

[ruby marsh]

Honestly I've been doing the same, Push into light and depending on the situation just spam a little. If you have troubles with hordes, invest on Cleave and reduced hitmass

[turbid fulcrum]

Oh shit, didn't know he had one on the saw. Thanks!

[turbid fulcrum]

Yeah cleave and/or hitmass blessings are a must

[autumn hazel]

Yes im using mods.

[reef spoke]

Oh yeah do toxin kills count for Blackouts now or is just solely needle pistol kills?

[calm aurora]

update them, there was a problem with guaranty something swap

[signal nebula]

For Saw to work, imo you need shock and awe and the 50% stacking cleave talent

[iron patrol]

tox counts

[signal nebula]

Feels very bad without but very good with

[calm aurora]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/331

[iron patrol]

you can now toss a tox blinder into a horde and get blinders back

[autumn hazel]

For real

[unreal stirrup]

it doesnt fix the fact that toxin dot will cuck you out of shock and awe proc lol

[iron patrol]

wasnt usin it

[signal nebula]

Luckily shock and awe is insanely easy to proc

[lost bear]

Pocket sand build time

[reef spoke]

Hell yeah :D

[brave wadi]

More like pocket fent

[neon fern]

usually the first enemy hit will die and u'll proc shock so it's fine

[hazy vector]

??? when that got changed

[compact oyster]

the humble dullahan

[iron patrol]

this very update

[hazy vector]

There is an update?

[turbid fulcrum]

It will? Fatlark, fix your stuff goddamn it. This class is so close to being amazing.

[reef spoke]

Yeah just today

[hazy vector]

Ok damn, then blinders going to be way more useful

[reef spoke]

Indeed c:

[hazy vector]

goddamit, i have to redo all trees now

[unreal stirrup]

blinder is really good for sample collector proc

and its infinite

[sleek grove]

so stim box with 4 charges has pretty much the same uptime as a 45sec stim

[iron patrol]

they fixed tox basically voiding all kills for any procs

[reef spoke]

There was a talent adjustment too so you'll want to relook at them

[low harbor]

cuz it helps weapons hit noticeably better 1 taps and is pretty good value for 1 talent

on hvs I think it depends

[hazy vector]

"Fixed a crash which could occur with ‘Blinder/Blackout’ and ‘Boom Bringer’ projectiles in combination with flame-throwing weapons"

bruh how THAT code even happened

[unreal stirrup]

look at sample collector

[iron patrol]

they did buff the rocket launcer to be in line with kraks

[unreal stirrup]

its better than krak now

[radiant swift]

it's quite fun now

[hazy vector]

big buff to rocket, is that good now?

[trim wind]

old rocket was basically krak, now it's stronger

[limber cradle]

Walking sim gameplay

[neon fern]

the radius is insane

[radiant swift]

it's much much better

[sleek grove]

oh no.

[unreal stirrup]

because krak cant do this

#hivescum-class message

[random shuttle]

its amazing

[sleek grove]

They bugged the Stimm crate and Chem Depedency

[unreal stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447933188398645308/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-09_7-49-06_PM.mp4?ex=69396c5d&is=69381add&hm=b12c088207a46fbe4878744181ae992fb606eb4aa53c3bb60d8b45ec36540965&

[sleek grove]

Now it always procs the stim even if it's in cooldown

[unreal stirrup]

h40 crushers

[reef spoke]

Stub pistols get boosted by Crit Bonus stat too c:

[main trellis]

You go for weakspots always (unless desperado) so why not more dmg? Silly

[reef spoke]

Should perform better now

[unreal stirrup]

.

[iron patrol]

rocket is basically now "i cannot be fucked to deal with whatever is in that room" weapon

[random shuttle]

https://youtu.be/y_nB1MDs_So?si=N-gg6I-oetbd7EVy&t=196

[glacial gyro]

ROCKET BUFFS????????

[radiant swift]

and that's not including all the other little enemies that would have been killed as well

[iron patrol]

cause scum is still scum and you can just circle a lone crusher to death

[unreal stirrup]

I find hivescum already good even when half of mfs talent is bugged

[random shuttle]

Giga ZOOKA BOOFS

[placid prairie]

Same lol

[unreal stirrup]

you can also see that it does 1.7k to the ragers a mile away

[neon fern]

rpg buffed so hard the projectile is on the outside now

[sleek grove]

Yep, Stimm Crate now always uses the Stimm even if it's on cooldown, so you can run a 75sec stim, 4 chemical dependency and it's perma up

[reef spoke]

Bigger AOE = bigger rocket

[hazy vector]

Sounds amazing

[unreal stirrup]

yeah i thought i was delulu

[digital drift]

I can’t wait to log on a see that I can’t make my build again because of the node changes

[low harbor]

chemist build kinda doesn't have to take it

[unreal stirrup]

so you can run 100% viscosity stim and use crate 2 time

[lost bear]

Did they buff the backblast too?

[reef spoke]

Stimm crate now works with stimm leystone truly revolutionary 🙏

[sleek grove]

Pretty sure they bugged it trying to fix it ahaha

[neon fern]

it didn't reset

[abstract wasp]

Was hyper critical node fixed for ranged damage ?

[unreal stirrup]

without needing to wait for either cooldown

[neon fern]

just swapped some nodes around

[dense hollow]

never meant to work for ranged damage

just melee

[lost bear]

Bigger boom out the front, bigger boom out the back

[digital drift]

I know

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-logo-intro-dp158-gif-25201118

[hazy vector]

but i don't see mention of this in the noteas

[sleek grove]

like technically it shound't give you the buff if the stimm on CD

[placid prairie]

I wish I could get hyper criticals off on crushers but maulers are still welxome

[sleek grove]

now it gives it anyway

[abstract wasp]

How did you come to this conclusion

[unreal stirrup]

run 75s cd stim, thank me later

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-confetti-happy-joy-gif-8761415

[reef spoke]

Because Fatshark hates us UwU

[sleek grove]

yeah that's what i just tried

[main trellis]

You still melee alot as chemist

Cmon man

[sleek grove]

75sec cd, you can even run the 4 charges of Chemical Depedency

since it's perma up anyway

[plush cove]

ok but I assume when u use stimm supply while the stimm is on CD, it won't have the stimm effects, but at least counts as dependency?

[iron patrol]

do people actually pick any of the stack grant thingamajigs? i can see both would get you 6 stacks on a weakspot kill but with the hiver crit chance you tend to get it in less that 5-6 seconds with the swing speed anyways

[unreal stirrup]

I use it with taxe/knife for hyper crit

since it got fixed

[low harbor]

yea just that there're other talents worth more

[unreal stirrup]

I just use the 2 on the right

[low harbor]

I never said it's bad

[lost bear]

Adrenaline Smiter is pretty worth

[sleek grove]

No, if the stimm is on CD the case still gives you the stimm buff AND the chem depedency buff

[unreal stirrup]

that all you need for 100% uptime

[placid prairie]

Excited to use hyper criticals again

[low harbor]

I just said it's a bit more optional

[glacial gyro]

Chemist is especially incentivized to go for weakspots because coated weapons applies two extra stacks if you crit a weakspot

[lucid raptor]

sounds kinda broken

[hardy spruce]

i only pick the 20s duration and toughness gen

runs fine

[unreal stirrup]

it is

[brave wadi]

Thanks I needed to know this

[sleek grove]

Yeah pretty sure they bugged it with the patch to make the combination work

[limber cradle]

Hows the tree change? Yay/nay?

[neon fern]

good

[iron patrol]

on god?

[calm aurora]

yay

[random shuttle]

big yay

[lucid raptor]

fatshark moment

[random shuttle]

all the things big yay

[dense hollow]

lot of builds save a point

[neon fern]

easy acess to crucial toughness nodes

[sleek grove]

god?

[lost bear]

Big things yay, small things nay

[neon fern]

points saved

[limber cradle]

Wicked sick, thanks.

[low harbor]

yes but needle pistol gets barely any more ranged dmg from weakspot hits (and chemtox DOT is unaffected by weakspot bonus) while bonesaw alrdy has refined lethality

[iron patrol]

wait cant we re-do the infinite crate aura bullshit again then?

[turbid yarrow]

Its good

[limber cradle]

Whats a nay for you?

[main trellis]

I dunno; i manage to get myself that one on crit chemist but you know; choices

[unreal stirrup]

use crate while stim on cd
stim effect end
stim regenerated
stim again

[sleek grove]

Technically, if the stimm is on CD the crate shouldn't give you the stimm buff, but at the moment it does

[unreal stirrup]

idk if you can stack stim effect

but that would be so fucking funny with +40% strength and attack speed

[lost bear]

Some minor pathing fuckery with the increased dodge regen on >75% stamina talent

[plush cove]

yeah that's kinda...silly ngl

[lucid raptor]

someone test this i need to know

[sleek grove]

Now i need to check if you can jumpstart the 4 charges without the CDR nodes

or if you do need it

[unreal stirrup]

I already turn off my laptop

[random shuttle]

Gobless Merica

[sleek grove]

at 4 stacks already it's fine you can keep it up no matter what

[high gull]

Whatisgamebalance.exe

[plush cove]

are we having another Arbites bug moment for Hive Scum xD

with the stimm supply thing always applying stimm buffs

[unreal stirrup]

bleed dog on launch

[north meteor]

does it? I thought it didn't

[unreal stirrup]

it's broken rn

[glacial gyro]

the only bad thing about the tree update is they ruined the holy trinity

[sleek grove]

Atm it does, pretty sure they bugged it this hotfix

[unreal stirrup]

we don't know if it intended

because the implication is funny

[high gull]

It probably isn't.

[sleek grove]

i mean, you can still run a 45sec Stimm and have it like 80% uptime

without killing stuff

[high gull]

There's no way something like that is intended.

[lost bear]

Shit looks like chakras now lmfao

[brave wadi]

The description on stim supply doesn't mention the stim needing to be off cd. Only that you copy the contents if its "equipped"

[zealous ravine]

holy hell

[sleek grove]

And that's legit

[zealous ravine]

stimm crate real

[glacial gyro]

oh no, the new positioning of sticky hands is not good

[random shuttle]

[limber cradle]

Gotcha, I dunno if I like where sticky hands went tbh cause I actually like that talent.

[idle lava]

You always have the stim equipped, even if you cant use it.
It only cares if the stim is equipped.

[sleek grove]

I mean, technically

[limber cradle]

I'll have to see when I actually open the game for now tho, brekkie and shower.

[sleek grove]

ok

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think this is how it worked before the hotfix

[turbid yarrow]

So does this mean we should shoot up our drug and then drop supply so the stimm comes back and resets the cd?

[unreal stirrup]

but i think this might be actually intended

[sleek grove]

you can still work the 75sec stimm with 4 Chemical Depedency even without CDR

[unreal stirrup]

because dependency interaction

[zealous ravine]

holy hell

stimm crate might be worth trying

[idle lava]

Use stim, wait 30 seconds, drop crate, crate is up in 30ish seconds assuming minimum kills, repeat

[unreal stirrup]

it is kinda brokey rn

[sleek grove]

the CD is a bit worse without CDR tho

[unreal stirrup]

might be a bug

[sleek grove]

the uptime is like 60% ish

[unreal stirrup]

someone test if you can get double stim effect from 2 crate

like if they stack

[sleek grove]

that works

[near mauve]

ogryn big boom the sequel

[sleek grove]

it did work before patch

[hazy vector]

I don't see mention of that in the patchnotes

[sleek grove]

or at least, the audio for it worked, my pistols were going insane 😂

[random shuttle]

bazooker is a fantastic tool now

big blog blobbing your team?

[unreal stirrup]

damn, no 40% strength+ attack speed then

[random shuttle]

use BLOB B-GONE

Delete anything!

Fuck'em!

[limber cradle]

Actually, no nerfs to nothing? I didn't miss that right?

[winter galleon]

yet, they arent doing balance pass yet

[radiant swift]

I mean

[limber cradle]

Infinite ammo lives on

[radiant swift]

they just buffed stuff

[sleek grove]

without CDR you have 15 sec buff and 25 sec cooldown, let's test with CDR

[limber cradle]

Huzzah

[sleek grove]

(at 4 stacks of chem dependency)

[placid prairie]

I know, right? I’m shocked that fat shark is capable of it

[winter galleon]

though honestly i doubt will see major nerfs, prob see some tweaks to make the class more casual friendly since right now its fun but high barrier to entry for non-tryhards, that might come with some nerfs though

[iron patrol]

i forgot how to get 3 stamina curios, what was the reject level needed to hit the minimum 410 drops from melk?

[dense hollow]

just be level 30

[unreal stirrup]

maxed

[lucid raptor]

moving the nodes around is a bit of a balance pass but yeah nothing got changed really other than the rocket, just bug fixes

[limber cradle]

I'm not one of the people who complains about em tbf, I'm genuinely amazed pickpocket wasn't touched.

[iron patrol]

aye, time to gamble then

[sleek grove]

with CDR stim you have 15 sec uptime and 19 second CD

i think you can have a perma stim now.

If you take the 5 sec duration

let me check it.

[drowsy relic]

Not worth the controversy

[dense hollow]

fatshark doesn't do nerfs anymore

last time they bug fixed arbites they got screamed at by a loud minority

[placid prairie]

Pickpocket is great and I don’t even really like the ranged build, fun as desperado is

[unreal stirrup]

infinite ammo is extremely strong especially in havoc

[calm aurora]

how does that work in game?

[placid prairie]

Melee just feels better

To me

[unreal stirrup]

and it not very out of the way either

[limber cradle]

It's comically strong ime

[sleek grove]

checking it right now

[reef spoke]

I hope Pickpocket isn't touched, I'm having a blast with needle pistol

[limber cradle]

I think melee is more fun but desperautos is way less input for big output.

[reef spoke]

I need to try Rampage with tac axe

[zealous ravine]

yea melee is more joyous now with 2 extra points

[drowsy relic]

It's very very good but the current popular opinion (popular not correct) is its the only "good" build

So do you nerf it or just let it ride for a bit and buff other stuff when you snipe it

[placid prairie]

Pickpocket is crazy, it’s infinite ammo if you have good target acquisition

[lapis raft]

alright so stimm crate + chem dep actually feels pretty nice, 45s cd stimm with the cd on kill node has only like 10s downside

on average

or less even

[iron patrol]

wait, glory hunter works on fent blaster now, no?

[reef spoke]

And you can take it further with blackouts

[placid prairie]

Im surprised people shit on melee scum, shivs are insane

[sleek grove]

Ok the +5 sec Stim duration it's not actually 5 seconds it seems

[winter galleon]

i think main argument for not nerfing it is fact that vet, arbi, psyker all exist

[hazy vector]

STOP IGNORING ME @sleek grove

[lapis raft]

the +5s stimm duration doesnt work on the crate sadly

[reef spoke]

To be fair a lot of people can't play Scum let alone melee scum

[radiant swift]

true and real

[plush cove]

@sleek grove wait are you sure? I mean dunno if I did this correctly but I shot at the crusher here and then use the stimm supply with stimm on CD and it didnt apply the stimm buffs. I have full strength+rending stimm.

[lapis raft]

even though it should smh

as the linger even counts as actual stimm duration

[placid prairie]

TRUE

[lapis raft]

at least when you check teh stimm buff

[sleek grove]

i'm testing with a stopwatch i lose stome stuff 😂

[placid prairie]

I admit hive scum im more prone to having rough matches

[zealous ravine]

well the problem is

i dont use shivs

lmao

[split lagoon]

Using bone saw or other weapon?

[placid prairie]

But usually i do alright

[limber cradle]

I'm not complaining, simply surprised.

[placid prairie]

Crowbar is decent ngl

[main trellis]

Tbh tho i’m curious; what is better than that? 🤔

[lapis raft]

shivs/combat blade usually

[zealous ravine]

crowbar is ok ig

[lapis raft]

i wanted to test combat axe and heavy sword as well

both looked rly good

[placid prairie]

Needs cleave talents, sure, but I find it handles well

[hardy spruce]

also checked and it's definitely not a thing

[placid prairie]

Pulls crushers out of overhead on the alt mode

[split lagoon]

And what's your stimm lab path?

[placid prairie]

And that’s insane

[lapis raft]

full str 1 branch

for rending on shivs

[sleek grove]

I gotta be honest, i tested with AS since i find it a bit more noticeable the swing speed

[lapis raft]

and crit on combat knife

[plush cove]

then again im not using Chem Dependency here, maybe it's Chem Dependency-specific.

[lapis raft]

as on combat knife i run uncanny + flesh tearer

[hardy spruce]

ill check in a moment

[low harbor]

cleave, TGH replenishment

[lapis raft]

i think the str branches are just best in general

[low harbor]

both are debatably better, depending on the weapon

[unreal stirrup]

actual lobotomite

[lapis raft]

and when you actually have uptime on them its so good

[sleek grove]

But yeah, no i think you may be right and it just gives the special effect but not the actual effect

[reef spoke]

Can't go wrong with multiplicative damage c:

[hardy spruce]

its not

it's straight up not a thing

[sleek grove]

and simply when i was trying it i jsut kept hitting the actual Stimm* one xd

[unreal stirrup]

rampage is basically "be martydom zealot but better for 3 minutes"

also try taxe on melee scum

shit is insane

[plush cove]

lmao

[placid prairie]

Whuh

[hardy spruce]

nvm

[lapis raft]

easiest way to check is to grab crit + str stimm

and use the mod that showscrit chance

[hardy spruce]

i think i made it work

give me a second

[lapis raft]

that would be 100% guaranteed test

[hardy spruce]

i need to double check

[high gull]

Let's say it together

[split lagoon]

What do you guys think of Maxed out chems modifier?

[main trellis]

Unless you use stimm crate; rampage gives you enough cleave as i tested it

[high gull]

People are use to being face tanks while mashing the melee button

[hardy spruce]

@plush cove disregard the last statement, it's not a thing

[iron patrol]

taxe is good but shivs are so much better

[hardy spruce]

id be dealing 100 dmg here if it was

[main trellis]

TGH?

[plush cove]

I think rending should be noticeable, cuz with the stimm buffs I deal like 130-150dm or sth, while without I deal 70-80dmg

[radiant swift]

tbh, you still kinda can, with rampage, shivs and speed stim

[low harbor]

toughness

[sleek grove]

Nope rip dream, i simply checked every time the stim was actually up by pure coincidence 😂

[hardy spruce]

stimm

[zealous ravine]

stimm crate still eh then? its over

[calm aurora]

tufness

[plush cove]

ok ok wow

damn

[placid prairie]

I’m confused why I was called a lobotomite for liking shivs :(

[glacial gyro]

lots of really good weapons for scum that are mid everywhere else. Chainaxe is a good example

[plush cove]

had me worried xD

[muted python]

how's the tree layout looking now with all the nodes being shifted around?

[unreal stirrup]

I wasn't talking about you lol

[main trellis]

I have all of those on every build
Still can afford weakspot dmg

[zealous ravine]

way better

[lapis raft]

well if theres enough enemies you can have 100% uptime on it almost

[high gull]

This is how work place hostility works.

[sleek grove]

Rip 75sec dream, gotta be a 45sec stim

[lapis raft]

on the stimm buff

[plush cove]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

lol, all good but still

[lapis raft]

but yea 75 sec too much

[plush cove]

xD

[glacial gyro]

I've noticed a couple extra points on my builds

[rocky socket]

So today we got a hotfix . Whats the “best” build to lvl up as scum?
Im pretty new in darktide
Have 600+h in older titles

[lapis raft]

45sec good

[placid prairie]

LMAO

[hazy vector]

Which is why i was asking where you got that info in the first place
WHICH YOU KEPT IGNORING

[rotund agate]

what about chainsword?

[neat dagger]

whats the sauce? 👀

[calm aurora]

go in a straight line from the top maybe

[glacial gyro]

lets see if they fixed adrenaline not proccing on rip though

[high gull]

This is gonna sound really rude right, but I wanna ask.

Are you British?

[dreamy rover]

Best to run and gun it

[hazy vector]

none?????? just test things out

[sleek grove]

It's not intentional, i was literally checking my stopwatch to check the CD

[rocky socket]

Haha no! But close

[iron patrol]

do you guys take the hyper critical or ammo jack to get to pickpocket with needle gun?

[low harbor]

what's ur chemist build

[high gull]

Welsh?

[hazy vector]

bruh, why
Just use numeric ui mod

[fast surge]

People one second after new patch drops: GIB BUILD PLS

[glacial gyro]

Fuck. Adrenaline still does not proc on chainaxe heavy rip.

[hollow mural]

how are the new builds feelin

[unreal stirrup]

hypercrit is better imo

[hollow mural]

i guess melee in partic

[rocky socket]

Born in germany raised in hungary
Parents from wels! Good job man 😂👏

[honest shale]

80% of American's can't read past a 3rd grade reading level. Be prepared.

[dreamy rover]

Lets be honest, that would have been too easy

[dim moth]

I don't get pickpocket with the needle gun because I use it at what it's good at

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[dim moth]

instead of wasting it on poxwalkers

poxwalkers that I could be stabbing to death

[sleek grove]

if i don't have it using a stopwatch it's faster

[glacial gyro]

I mean stacking it up is still pretty easy but its still annoying

[unreal stirrup]

adrenaline already easy to maintain 100% uptime lol

[high gull]

Ain't nothing wrong with a lil two tapping a elite to get 20 something ammo back

[dreamy rover]

It would have been meta if it did worked though

[unreal stirrup]

I think pickpocket need like cooldown

[iron patrol]

dude you can just fent blast specials and run out of ammo, crusher are 4 ammo if you are patient and 5 if you arent, maulers and the gunners eat 1-2 each

[dreamy rover]

Probably would have given chain ax a chance to shine on scum

[compact oyster]

10s cooldown or 15

[zenith pagoda]

I wish there was a higher penetration autogun

[unreal stirrup]

too low imo

[hazy vector]

so get it

[compact oyster]

i agree

[unreal stirrup]

i think like 30s

[compact oyster]

120 seconds

[hazy vector]

how people even play without Numeric Ui mod

[unreal stirrup]

nah 120s is too harsh lol

[hazy vector]

it is just unplayable

[honest shale]

are you.... push attacking and using high stamina to break attack speed? Chain axe with all this and Rampage! dominates.

[unreal stirrup]

also you have more chance of finding ammo lmao

[digital drift]

okay we good i just needed to shift a couple nodes around and wasnt locked out of my build by the shifting of nodes XD

[somber frigate]

Yeah I’d like more synergy for hive scum stuff. But like Apeosule says chain axe is good on hive scum

[unreal stirrup]

aka just use knife

[iron patrol]

i keep reading this as ramping backshots and do a double take

[hollow mural]

nah you read it rigth

[somber frigate]

Doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel unfortunate to be lacking some synergy that would feel cool imo

[slender plinth]

what is cartel special

[radiant swift]

crack

[slender plinth]

so the stims?

[radiant swift]

ye

[slender plinth]

thank

[iron patrol]

is uncontrolled agression even worth it for adrenaline

[radiant swift]

I need to reset my blessings up

[keen timber]

melee scum CAN do this though

[radiant swift]

whats good on the bone saw? Shock and awe + something I assume

[split lagoon]

This is what I came up with. Any way to improve it?

[honest shale]

Yeah it can, just sliding on its ass.

[somber frigate]

On that note how do you consistently get backstabs on hivescum? Am I missing sometging or is this like basically never realistic without stealth

[keen timber]

not even remotely. u can just walk at things and cleave everything to death with rampage up

[iron patrol]

i literally face tanked a 18 rager armada and came out unscathed cause rampage is a funny ability

[sleek grove]

get the 4 stacks of chem depedency, it's still 5% crit 5% DR

[slender plinth]

probably the threat loss node
or just shamking units your allies are fighting

it doesn't seem like something you'll consistently have access to though

[honest shale]

You mean you don't push attack while sliding? What kind of lazy fucking scum are you?

[dense hollow]

threat loss node is so troll

[calm aurora]

I would do that until lvl 12, it's more melee oriented though

[split lagoon]

What should I dump?

[keen timber]

mash lights > win

[iron patrol]

dodge around them, you can just slide and dodge circles around everything, its the ancient tech knife zealots used to employ before DS got giga buffed and replaced it

[flint granite]

Not home yet, how do the buffed shivs feel?

[main trellis]

There you go; if you want you can swap to crate and pointwise it will still be the same if you wanna take all subnodes for it
If you go for chemnades you replace 3 stacks on explosion to +1 blitz
If you want battering strikes i guess you can leave either crit on dodge or base dmg on chem infected nearby (probably better for the latter)

[placid prairie]

I got bitched at for using the node by a smyker who was honestly kinda dogshit

[radiant swift]

what's the a good combo of blessings for the crowbar

[somber frigate]

Thats enough to count as a backstab?

Sounds ok if so

[placid prairie]

I kill everything I see brother, don’t get mad at me

[somber frigate]

Good thing scum doesn’t have DS

[honest shale]

So glad.

[iron patrol]

when the enemies swing they cant turn around, you can just shank their asses with this, alternatively you can just be a menace and do it before it and just shank them anyways

[dreamy rover]

Huh, the psykers I've been with were pretty chill. Maybe I lucked out?

[high gull]

Yeah true, not without a lil bit of effort tho

And effort is the bane of the pub player

[rustic lava]

If you are using ranged you should invest in pickpocket

[frosty pumice]

Shivs > ds

[keen timber]

not even slightly

lmao

[hazy vector]

yeah, not use that ult

[high gull]

What about dueling shivs?

[iron patrol]

i was so relieved they didnt have a fucking coked up murderhobo be proficient in fucking fencing

[zenith pagoda]

This is the most underrated talent

[honest shale]

Hive Scum fencing is just the Crowbar.

[winter galleon]

not underrated at all, its overrated

[dense hollow]

it def is not underrated by people

[high gull]

Imagine that shit on a recon las

[dense hollow]

it gets mentioned every other hour

[zenith pagoda]

What?

[iron patrol]

its the desperado talent, no others can really make use of it

[split lagoon]

Yeah but I do want to try that ult, I'm tired of rampage

[hazy vector]

It is relevant just about never, lol, waste of a talent

[limber cradle]

Its a pretty default talent to run if you're running vultures ime

[sleek grove]

for desperado Chemical Dpedency is probably still better for lowering the CD

[zenith pagoda]

No, you just need a relatively fast firing gun

[winter galleon]

good positioning, dodge, slide, desperado uptime all reduce its strength

[final temple]

supply is fine now after the hotfix

[limber cradle]

Third grip style where you flip it around and poke with the straight end

[zenith pagoda]

Being able to mag dump something while being immune to infinite crusher overheads

[dreamy rover]

Do dual stub pistols count?

[iron patrol]

supply gives a stack regardless of you shoving the needle

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/reagitator-verum-verum-the-lovesick-butler-lovesick-butler-fencing-gif-8840485701443609830

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

[hazy vector]

too unreliable for that

[limber cradle]

What a specific gif

[zenith pagoda]

Yes they are fast enough to keep up immunity if your crit chance is high

[north meteor]

did you play auric mortis trials yesterday? This name seems familiar

[hazy vector]

JUST SLASH AT HIS HAND REEEE

[honest shale]

that's some alan wake shit. surreal af.

[iron patrol]

or slide, lol

[winter galleon]

wouldnt say its unreliable, only time it drops off is during reloading really, its just that can simply solve it by positioning/fundamentals

[zenith pagoda]

It's not that simple

[winter galleon]

and spend the point elsewhere

[iron patrol]

oh no! crusher! agressively cosplays a roomba

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-halflife2-achievement-04-trusty-hardware-gif-21479722

[keen timber]

like hive "floor inspector" Scum wasn't doing that anyway

[tepid elk]

Glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking this, the crit chance is nice too

[high gull]

The invasive species of Tertium roombas

[dreamy rover]

And then some poor psyker gets in the way instead

[compact oyster]

doesnt this not work on crushers due to their overhead being an aoe?

[zenith pagoda]

You can't slide backwards unless you dodge slide, which will avoid the attack anyway

[winter galleon]

crit chance, lower cd, and better tougnness dr, dependancy is nice

[dense hollow]

it'll work if you get out of the way since sliding with that talent makes melees stop tracking you (puts you in melee dodge state)

[somber frigate]

Sprint slide though

[hazy vector]

it literally is

[high gull]

Can be tested in the psychan

If anyone felt so inclined

[zenith pagoda]

You play auric I assume

[somber frigate]

Slippery customer probably neat to use with desperado where you can sprint slide like

[hazy vector]

I play your mom

[somber frigate]

A morbillion times

[zenith pagoda]

EE is considered one of the best psyker talents, this is arguably better

[somber frigate]

Roomba with gats

[sleek grove]

technically you still get it from the other one, but not CDR and since you just want to spam Desperado honestly why not

[high gull]

This is such a stupid comment

Why is it making me laugh so hard

[hazy vector]

Yes

[limber cradle]

What's it like being mentally 14

[placid prairie]

Pfffft

[somber frigate]

I’d rather be mentally 14 than mentally 80

[high gull]

FAAAANTASTIC

[limber cradle]

Glad you're having fun, buddy

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/akuma-unc-evil-unc-unc-status-demonic-unc-gif-8070622459024361770

[placid prairie]

Also I’ve never seen a need to take slippery customer because I never find myself sliding in melee

[high gull]

It's not even the your mom bit

It's just the random hostility that's sending me

[placid prairie]

Sure sometimes I’ll slide dodge sniper shots but that’s it

[high gull]

[sullen ridge]

its a little hard to test this one, does anyone know if toxin kills/explosions give you toughness?

[limber cradle]

Oh yeah, we do enjoy some random acts of violence here

[hazy vector]

yeah, becaujse you never use it, so it makes sense lol
But with it, you can, and it is really effective

[glacial gyro]

Unless they changed something, no

[somber frigate]

Sprint sliding in desperado though

[placid prairie]

I mean I sprint slide anyways to close gaps in melee

[winter galleon]

learning to dodge slide is part of slidetide

floors wont mop themselves

[placid prairie]

I dodge slide where it’s needed

Otherwise I just dodge regularly

[sullen ridge]

i think they specifically allow chem toxin to work with desperado now!

just unknown if all toxin now counts as "ranged" or if it's hardcoded to work for desperado

[glacial gyro]

holy shit the radius on the new rocket, I am filing a complaint as an ogryn main, this is 3-4 direct fire frag bombs

[zenith pagoda]

They don't

[placid prairie]

Sucks to suck :)

[brittle sierra]

My build is complete behold my creation

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[placid prairie]

Lmao I love that thumbnail

Re4 my beloved

[high gull]

porf

[amber sundial]

Drugs got to him

[zenith pagoda]

Ogryn dead class

[somber frigate]

I just think sprint slide to dodge stuff in desperado has its place since it doesn’t use any dodges right?

[sullen ridge]

what did you rebind slide/dodge to?

[somber frigate]

And you got infinite sprint during it and stuff

[glacial gyro]

Dont get me wrong I love it. Now I just want to carry more frag bombs!

[sullen ridge]

asking for a friend

[placid prairie]

Yeah that’s fair lol

[sullen ridge]

unlike me who never fumbles a dodge and sits there crouching in front of a mauler overhead like a dummy

[placid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-edit-i-saw-what-you-edited-i-saw-gif-27672816

[winter galleon]

i have dodge on space and slide on both control and c, you could make a bond that puts them both on one button to make it easier i guess

[sullen ridge]

dodge on space

[dense hollow]

i have dodge bound to spacebar, jump bound to alt and crouch on ctrl

[sullen ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-flying-universe-butterfly-earth-gif-18122225507406219426

thank you scum.

[winter galleon]

jumping is so rare in this game that space is a waste to have it there, alt is much better

[zenith pagoda]

3 is great with the maelstrom modifier

I also think frag bomb should stagger all enemies with like 100m

[dense hollow]

jesus christ 100m radius is bigger than most arenas in this game

[glacial gyro]

I want to luck into grenade mods in mortis with this thing and just become soldier from TF2

[zenith pagoda]

It's stupid that it kills everything then a tonne of stuff comes running forward immediately like nothing happened

They should be suppressed or stunned

[sturdy marsh]

How is the patch feeling?

[glacial gyro]

Theres a gremlin in my brain that keeps whispering to swap to rocket on my melee builds and I have to fight it, arguing that blackouts are too good of an escape tool or for knocking down distant gunners to safely close, but the gremlin just goes 'but rocket' and its hard to fight it

[reef spoke]

Just do it, most randoms are barely sentient let alone use nades well

I've stopped caring about sharing resources beyond basic stuff like ammo and meds

[glacial gyro]

Which is kind of why my choices have to be smart, my team is hitler on 3 computers, I'm on 1

[winter galleon]

no if they were hitler they would be using chem grenades on cd

[hazy vector]

good

fuck ogryns

[tranquil fjord]

how do the chainaxes perform on hive scum

[reef spoke]

I mean if it breaks pressure off you then you can stop bad situations from forming

[glacial gyro]

easily my favorite

[hazy vector]

meh

[glacial gyro]

I fucking love the mk12

[tranquil fjord]

i like the look of the rending and cleave buffs

[light linden]

stimms! only the best

[unreal stirrup]

knife but worse

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-commando-arnie-arnold-shoot-gif-19215950

@random shuttle

how the new launcher feels

[clear steppe]

Tried out a desperado build with the rocket launcher good heavens this is fun

No thoughts only dual auto pistol

[bronze glade]

is hypercrit fixed now?

[foggy phoenix]

How do ya'll think Scum will feel when Rotten Armor comes back

[glacial gyro]

They implied it is

[glacial gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/infinitestratos-0814-attack-gif-14776258

[dense hollow]

fine probably, siphon grenade boxes to chem nade/rocket launcher scum and veteran with kraks will still help tremendously because they wont need grenade boxes

[glacial gyro]

we unironically have one of the best tools for dealing with that shit now

[foggy phoenix]

Bold of you to assume you'd still have ammo

[solar dirge]

How does hypercritical work, the wording makes it sound like how damage normally works

[hazy vector]

this is such as tupid talent tbh

[dense hollow]

why wouldnt you use it

[glacial gyro]

enemy has 1000 hp. You crit for 500 damage. Enemy dies.

[solar dirge]

Ok so is it worded wrong in game?

[unreal stirrup]

no

[winter galleon]

no thats exactly what it says

[unreal stirrup]

reading comprehension

[iron patrol]

its free hound immunity

[dense hollow]

no its worded correctly

[glacial gyro]

No?

[dense hollow]

what part of this is free hound immunity

[unreal stirrup]

yeah but rotten armor have ranged damage reduction

[solar dirge]

Ok guess I’m stupid

[unreal stirrup]

I think bb count as ranged since all the related talent proc

[dire shore]

toxin mania good or bad?

[hazy vector]

also did anyone ever make this work?

[glacial gyro]

I don't think you understand how much damage the rocket does, 50% of infinite is still infinite

[iron patrol]

hounds are stuns, when this procs hounds cannot actually pounce you

[iron patrol]

it works wonders shanking the ogryns and bosses

[unreal stirrup]

I'm aware but it take like 2 rocket to kill a crusher in epicenter

[bronze glade]

dogshit

[unreal stirrup]

h40

[versed spruce]

Once every ten seconds, if your toughness breaks, no it didn't

[unreal stirrup]

if your toughness break every few seconds that on you

[iron patrol]

you are allotted one skill issue every 10 seconds with this

[unreal stirrup]

burst of energy is amazing

[glacial gyro]

you have to be trolling

[bronze glade]

yeah burst is a great "on toughness break" talent

unlike the dogshit that vet gets

in GBITF

[dense hollow]

stun immunity does not prevent hounds from pouncing on you

[sturdy marsh]

When making a chemical dependence build what's the Max amount I should use one the Stimm? Like 1 tree?

[iron patrol]

gamer they literally slide off my shit when it procs

[hazy vector]

??????????

[glacial gyro]

Its fucking amazing

Its insurance against a fuckup

[hazy vector]

Ok, you are also stupid

because that's what i said

[drowsy relic]

I think they meant stupid good

[hazy vector]

It is stupid

[drowsy relic]

Goobers stop arguing

[hazy vector]

because it is too good to be such an early no investment pick

[hazy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[severe zephyr]

I wish corruption purge on stim were more centered, i miss that

[iron patrol]

well it wasnt a early investment before the update

[glacial gyro]

"Everyone who read what I typed interpreted it a certain way; Its not my inability to communicate, everyone else is the dumb one"

pound sand

[fast surge]

Stun immunity has no effect on dogs

[dire shore]

is this any good or not worth it?

[hazy vector]

other people understood it

[drowsy relic]

Pretty solid yeag

[versed spruce]

If you got nothing better to spend it on, probably

[calm aurora]

rip thy grenade be swift

[glacial gyro]

Great with the saw

[bronze glade]

good if you're running a tox build obviously

[versed spruce]

Conditional 5% up to 15% but on a build meant for it yeah

[dire shore]

ok thank you

[reef spoke]

If you have toxin stuff, can work

[iron patrol]

what? then dogs decide to not randomly eat you but instead ram into you with pounces every now and then????

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/corgi-smirk-dog-gif-6683204149097368318

[versed spruce]

Dogs have stuns but it's not their pounce landing on you

Even then, dog stuns have no way of being circumvented IIRC but could be wrong

[hazy vector]

what about this talent

[dense hollow]

i still think this node is bait

[reef spoke]

Yeah I don't think you can stop dogs (but you can block the corruption damage)

[keen timber]

it looks like super bait

[versed spruce]

Depends on what "fully" Staggered means

[trim wind]

dog can be dodged, hell dog will miss you if you're picking someone up

[hazy vector]

esepcially on a class that kills rather than staggers

[versed spruce]

Some stagger things mean that they have to be on their ass on the floor

Meanwhile some just mean in any state of stagger

[amber sundial]

Fully is on the floor

[versed spruce]

Yeah that node's bait

[trim wind]

stun immunity never stops dog, otherwise twbs would be even more busted on zealot

[reef spoke]

Fully staggered is ass

[versed spruce]

In that case

[bronze glade]

dogshit

[reef spoke]

You'll basically never proc it

Unless you do like direct hit Blackouts

[keen timber]

is twbs even worth it now? since its not needed for gunner knockback immunity

[turbid fulcrum]

Since we're rating talents, what do you all think about this one:

[versed spruce]

Even crowbar, the dedicated consistent stagger weapon, does not knock enemies on their ass

[versed spruce]

Poopie imo

[keen timber]

imo not needed

[hazy vector]

Can be useful ,but if youplay correctly, never going to be relevant

[iron patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mm7lgu/just_look_down_when_pox_hound_leap/

wait what?? what??????

[unreal stirrup]

fym is twbs is worth it

stun immunity is huge

[dense hollow]

i think this node should specify that it cant heal corrupted wounds, i see so many new players taking this, for most of us we know that corruption healing doesn't heal a corrupted wound but new players might not

[versed spruce]

On a Desperado build, you're already using Desperado
On a non-Desp. build, you don't need it because you're not holding your ranged weapon as much

[versed spruce]

Depends on the weapon

[trim wind]

still use it for slow weapons in melee

[versed spruce]

It's always worth but only if that's your only pick over something better

[hazy vector]

Anyone using Focused Resolved btw

[versed spruce]

Slow weapons require it ye

[hazy vector]

5 seconds of cd don't seem worth a talent point ot me

[unreal stirrup]

most build can fit twbs

[iron patrol]

I WAS LOOKING DOWN ALL THE TIME CAUSE OF BLINDER NADE KNOCKS DOWN SHIT, I LEGIT THOUGHT BURST OF ENERGY GAVE YOU HOUND IMMUNITY LAJKSLKAJLKDJALKSJDLKAJSDLKAJSD

[unreal stirrup]

it actually hard to not fit it in

and you don't even need to go out of your way to get it

[reef spoke]

I do because more desperado uptime is worth imo

[hazy vector]

5 seconds out of 45? Nah

[reef spoke]

You do you

[dense hollow]

my desperado builds fit it easily because i didnt go for chemical dependancy

[gritty elk]

hyper critical fixed?

or still buggy

[hazy vector]

So is Hypercritcal worth using now?

[hazy vector]

at the very least you want to have sample collector though

[keen timber]

not worth when it stops u using hyperviolence tho really

[atomic escarp]

Does this talent currently work properly? It doesn't seem to prok in the meat grinder. Or at least the icon doesn't come up.

[low harbor]

yes, op

[hazy vector]

I am thinking ab out ranged builds mostly

[hazy vector]

Duality of man

[low harbor]

they don't conflict as much as people think

[fair oar]

i'm part of the 10%

[hazy vector]

@bronze glade what do you think of hyper critical now?

[low harbor]

do u want crit 1 tap mauler/scab rager with rashad

[oak bramble]

i never thought i'd be low on materials ever again,

finally on the plascrack withdrawal again

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[unreal stirrup]

just play havoc

[gilded acorn]

Can you "double up" and get double damage/attack speed from your stimms if you stim and place the stimm pack down right after?

[hazy vector]

Do i want to lick these abs? What kind of question is this

[unreal stirrup]

a single h40 give you like 40k each

[low harbor]

then take both hypercrit and hyperviolence

ez

[oak bramble]

this is why we cant have nice things

[keen timber]

hypercrit procs stop hyperviolence stacking though

[hazy vector]

i don't see much point in hyperviolence or ranged build though

[low harbor]

yea not the same enemies tho

[keen timber]

hypercrit is melee only

[hazy vector]

This is HOW we have nice things*

[keen timber]

fyi

[lucid raptor]

embrace the +10% ordo dockets curio meta

[lilac ermine]

Omg they buffed the rocket ❤️

[low harbor]

u inherently build a lot of overkill with rashad in the first place for hyperV

hypercrit allows u to 1 tap stuff u couldn't otherwise

[eager topaz]

Using Enhanced Desperado with an Attack Speed stim finally allows me to fulfil my blood frenzy crackhead dreams. Thank you Fatshark

[hazy vector]

ah, right, because critical strikes are melee, forgot

[lilac ermine]

Increased radius, extra rocket

More damage

[keen timber]

no, hypercrit is just coded as melee only

[lucid raptor]

it’s like rashad was built for hive scum

[high gull]

I still that that shit is a funny game mechanic

[hazy vector]

ffs for the third time, i am talking about RANGED Build

and ranged build does not really want rashad

[high gull]

Inject space meth to make bullets shoot out gun faster

[low harbor]

would u prefer taking 2 hits to kill (and getting overkill for next atks)
or 1 with hypercrit (and not building overkill) to then BM through and hit more stuff

[high gull]

[low harbor]

yea still take hypercrit

[tulip axle]

thoughts on shredder auto pistol?

[broken bear]

Even I’m not this down bad

[tender forge]

If you kill 10 ragers with a hsword heavy

[keen timber]

Give me an animation where i inject the drugs into my gun instead

[tender forge]

Does the extra damage stack

[hazy vector]

?
I am talking about description, it says right away that it is only applied to melee, because "Critical strikes" means melee hits

[reef spoke]

I hear it works well

[keen timber]

then give me an "your uzi is having a crack withdawal" mechanic

[lucid raptor]

faith in the emperor is the only meth i need

[low harbor]

I think hyperV checks last enemy

[high gull]

Dude just clanks the guns together

And suddenly they shoot faster

[dense hollow]

i'll be honest i think it really is just coded as melee because the game uses critical strike chance everywhere and it applies to everything

[hazy vector]

shoo into the degenerates cave zealot chat

[tender forge]

So it should stack

[keen timber]

hive scum is actually an ork in disguise

[dense hollow]

this applies to all crit

[hazy vector]

You sure?

hmmmmmmmmm

[dense hollow]

maybe they'll make it apply to ranged hits in the future

[abstract wasp]

How to reload boombringer

[dense hollow]

but i doubt it

[hot moth]

You don't

[limber cradle]

Take the stimm, hit for me, offer it to the macs, hit for you

[iron patrol]

you fart into it

[gilded acorn]

Yeah, don't take hyper critical with ranged build. I out damage flame staff psyker on havoc without it

[hot moth]

The animationliterally involves throwing the spent tube away

[lilac ermine]

Wha build do u use

[low harbor]

complicated

don't think abt it too much

[hazy vector]

Riposte vs Precognition for combat knife for ranged build?

[iron patrol]

use shivs

[high gull]

Something I never got to test

[low harbor]

riposte

[iron patrol]

100x better than combat knife for scum lmfao

[high gull]

Does desperado give you a full mag if you're completely out of ammo?

[hazy vector]

I think combat knife has better single target damage, and that's what i need

[lilac ermine]

Yes

[hazy vector]

on melee build yes, not surte about ranged

[limber cradle]

Ime it's 2 for the macs and like, 4 for the pistols

[gilded acorn]

I'll DM you a link when I got home from work. I assume the talent tree got reworked from the fix today

[lilac ermine]

Oh true

[astral canyon]

Not really reworked

[tranquil fjord]

is hyper critical meant to work with ranged? or

[astral canyon]

Just had some stuff swap places

[trim wind]

ranged it doesnt even matter much, you barely will ever melee

it is melee only for some reason

[lilac ermine]

Is this worth in range builds if I dont dodge alot

[hazy vector]

Also wonder if it could be wroth to replace speedloader with pinning fire on uzis

[tranquil fjord]

youd think being stuck in the goddamn ranged part of the talent tree

[tranquil fjord]

itd work with ranged, right above the keystone with ranged critical chance

[astral canyon]

Yes

[gilded acorn]

Oh okay I gotcha

[arctic steppe]

is it just me or did they change the stub pistol mastery skin to make it ugly...

[dense hollow]

i think its still worth it, you should be dodging anyway

[compact oyster]

the launch skins were factory new but because we used the hive scum weapons extensively they degraded to well worn

[hot moth]

line up to push a burster
idiot pub shoots it right on top of me
line up to push a burster
idiot pub shoots it right on top of me
launch him off of the map with a barrel
leave

[tranquil fjord]

it feels as though it really handicaps the ranged weapons such as the dual stubbers and vigilant autogun which rely on crit, hyper critical not applying to ranged

[hazy vector]

Then you are playing wrong class

[novel quest]

how are things looking scumbros

[tender forge]

Its scum, I dont think

[arctic steppe]

ill pay a million ordo dockets to repair them

[tropic bough]

just run behind your teammate and let them face tank :)

[lilac ermine]

I mean I dont have to dodge alot cus im immune

[tranquil fjord]

the immune state is just dodging, no?

[hazy vector]

you still need to dodge from melee

[radiant swift]

I believe that should count as dodging

[novel quest]

did our trees get reset again?

[radiant swift]

changed but not reset

[hot moth]

no, because the increased blast radius and weird jump behavior will mean a burster will explode close enough to them to hurt me

[novel quest]

God bless I have like 5 presets

[dense hollow]

relying on your "immunity" for it to then run out in a bad streak of luck is not a recipe for success

[keen timber]

you're gonna need to edit them though

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-celebrating-gif-6529507804860980052

[grand jewel]

which you'll need to adjust on HS anyway

[novel quest]

FUCK

[lilac ermine]

When I run out of I hide and wait for it to come back

[novel quest]

it'll probably just take a minute or two

[radiant swift]

stuff got moved around (generally for the better)

[neat dagger]

Ok so does hyper crit work with ranged? I’m seeing different opinions. Whats the actual fact?

[tender forge]

Yeah scum is way better now

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[grand jewel]

they moved a bunch of nodes but didn't reset trees, so you'll have to see what you actually want from their moved nodes anyway

[novel quest]

how much better

[radiant swift]

i'd recommend giving the rocket launcher another go

[tender forge]

They have ~2 more points to work with

[hazy vector]

Anyone using scoreboard?

[novel quest]

did it get a buff?

[hazy vector]

Mine keeps crashing the game

[grand jewel]

its just pathing and some buffs to things, toxin proccing buffs when it wasn't before

[compact oyster]

actualy all of the issues now stem becuase our character hitboxes are bigger now

[tender forge]

Rocket also got a buff

[sleek grove]

just had a match where i couldn't use nades at all

[grand jewel]

rocket launcher gooder

[compact oyster]

were just fat and get hit more

[neat dagger]

@dense hollow hyper crit doesn’t work with ranged right?

[dense hollow]

it doesn't

[tender forge]

Even if it did it wouldnt count as a ranged kill

[neat dagger]

Thank you 🙏

[lilac ermine]

I think theres fixed scoreboard in mod discord

[novel quest]

man I don't wanna be tanky as hive scum bro

[grand jewel]

yes, and you need to get the updated version from modder discord

[tender forge]

Assuming you have the prereqs already

Which you may not have

[neat dagger]

Man.. I would love it if the skills were better explained

[grand jewel]

dunno if that'll work cuz I forwarded a forwarded message lol

[tender forge]

Yeah hyper crit just counts as an "execute" so doesnt trigger any on kill effects

[grand jewel]

original

[compact oyster]

it counts as an instakill so doesnt give overkill damage to be used against other enemies

slay man sized things yes yes

[tender forge]

Yup

[lilac ermine]

Whats overkill damage do

[grand jewel]

usually nothing

[tender forge]

Hyper violence

[compact oyster]

absolutely nothing until hive scum

[lilac ermine]

Is there perk that uses it

[tender forge]

I wonder if I can onetap the twins

[compact oyster]

hyper violence takes 25% of your overkill damage and gives it to the next hit

[grand jewel]

its just the amount of damage you kill something by over the top of their healthbar, so if you do 2000 damage to something with 1000 HP

you did 1000 overkill

[lilac ermine]

Oh Ic

[neat dagger]

How cool would it be if both the hypers actually synergize

[tender forge]

Is it possible to onetap twins btw on like uprising?

[grand jewel]

no

[tender forge]

Or do they have specific anti oneshotting measures

[hazy vector]

link pls

[grand jewel]

HP damage to twins is capped to 20%

[grand jewel]

alr did

[tender forge]

Dang

Wanted to phase skip

[grand jewel]

per hit

[compact oyster]

only during the bossfight]

[lilac ermine]

So is hyperviolence best on like shotgun or rashad

[dim moth]

eviscerator zealot

[grand jewel]

its not only bossfight

[tender forge]

Im playing with friend so want to do twins... fast

[dim moth]

eviscerator