hivescum-class

[azure mist]

the moment the crusher came around the corner it was already slamming the club down

[timid acorn]

What’s precision violence again?

[dense hollow]

toughness recovery on melee hit

top of the tree

[placid prairie]

Toughness regen on melee hit

That

[timid acorn]

Oh HELL no

[placid prairie]

Yeah lmao

[tender forge]

yup

[tender forge]

[placid prairie]

It’s a tragic bug because it would go so hard otherwise

[azure mist]

Also can we just state how Outlaw using Rampage is the epitome of hypeman

[timid acorn]

That’s like one of her strongest talents lol

[placid prairie]

Im literally running a crit build

[azure mist]

"YEAH!!!! LETS GO!!!!"

[vale remnant]

gun scum is fun

hope they fix all the recoil problems and synergy issues

[dense hollow]

OI ROTTERS! COME AND GET IT!!!

[inner void]

You mean Hyper-Violence?

[vale remnant]

also make vulture better, it's buns

[placid prairie]

Nope

Hyper criticals

[amber sundial]

hyper violence works perfectly fine

[placid prairie]

Left most tree

[inner void]

Ohh what the F
That's cheeks

I'll drop Hyper Critical then

[placid prairie]

The moment it’s fixed I’m taking it again lmao

[tender forge]

^

[manic wolf]

So from my testing, Lethal Proximity has no effect on Boombringer

Which is kinda sad honestly

[azure mist]

ALRIGHT! WHO'S FIRST!

[manic wolf]

So I have to conceed it needs a small AoE increase

Though more charges would be my primary buff if I had a say in the matter

[timid acorn]

Is that what’s making the dual autos feel so bad?

[vale remnant]

Yes

recoil perks are +, not -

so it makes them less stable. Fatshark has the quality control of a wet mop

[random shuttle]

hehe classic

got tossed off the map

[glacial gyro]

You mean the nodes in the tree?

[random shuttle]

team instantly folds without me XD

[glacial gyro]

certified hood classic

[vale remnant]

typically how it goes

Oh, let's not forget dual snubs are also bugged

[steep oak]

Are the servers broken

[vale remnant]

wanna know how? Go inspect its modifiers, find the odd one out

you're welcome

[steep oak]

I cant seem to get in the game

[novel quest]

I'm hoping dec 9th fixes a lot of karking problems

[drowsy relic]

why the 9th in particular

[vale remnant]

fatshark is 2 steps forward, 1 step back no mattter the patch

[manic wolf]

They're already giga strong. When that finesse issue is fixed, they're gonna be OP as shit

[vale remnant]

they'll find a way to break something else

this is the same company that still finds ways to repeat the same mistakes 3 years later.

[novel quest]

the 9th, another update drops iirc

[glacial gyro]

THE NUMBERS FATSHARK

[vale remnant]

isn't it funny

they managed to not notice

one of its most important stats straight up GONE

[trim wind]

They said this in the launch notes

[vale remnant]

darktide players don't read, don't be absurd

[random shuttle]

raaaaah

and now crashed on wave 6

game really dont want me to pick my talents

[final comet]

An expectation of anything significant being fixed prior to FS going into blackout until like Feb is liable to disappoint

[vale remnant]

like the class having more than one viable playstyle

[novel quest]

expecting scum to be jank for 2 months is kinda doomposting

[vale remnant]

It's jank, not unplayable

relax, it'll get worked out

[novel quest]

yea

[vale remnant]

you can still dumpster auric and most of havoc

[novel quest]

yea

[final comet]

It's tradition that the holidays are the buggiest time of the year, you might as well celebrate it

[vale remnant]

it's just got some issues to iron over, and some stuff does need buffs or reworks

[trim wind]

That's where "bah humbug" comes from

[vale remnant]

gun scum feels fine, even if it could use a touch up here and there

[manic wolf]

Not a vast amount thankfully. All things considered its mostly pretty good

[vale remnant]

melee is just ugh. Fun as hell, but so many downsides

[novel quest]

melee and ranged scum have both been stomping auric maelstroms for me with ease so that's all I need to be happy

[manic wolf]

Wait whats wrong with melee Scummer?

[final comet]

Auric HS works fine on each of like 4 builds I've used so far

The bugs and broken nodes are to make you feel grateful when the tree gets reworked later like psyker

[vale remnant]

and support toxin, the style I really want to lock in on, is just so anti-synergy.

[novel quest]

lol true

[naive imp]

they should go back and add some more penalties to abilities, i think itd be funny

[novel quest]

ngl I don’t feel the +25% damage intake with exhaustion

[vale remnant]

when you shout as vet, you take everyone's toughness away and reduce all toughness gain for the next 20 seconds

[naive imp]

ogryn bull rush should have you exhausted for 10 seconds after so you cant sprint

[novel quest]

I was thinking it should be 30-45%😭

[vale remnant]

that'll teach you to use your ability

[amber sundial]

imagine if rampage made you take the reduced dmg at the end of the duration when you get exhausted

[manic wolf]

Gold toughness being removed? Its a win in my book

[vale remnant]

ALL toughness

[naive imp]

zealot relic should take prevent the rest of your party from doing damage too

[vale remnant]

you get nothing

zealot bible thump just kills the zealot

[amber sundial]

zealot shroud field should make everyone else but the zealot invisible and deal -100% dmg for 3 seconds

[naive imp]

every half-second you have it up drains more and more of your health

[amber sundial]

the zealot also gets netted instantly on activation

[novel quest]

I'm a fan of all the scumbag playstyles so far I just think the anti-synergies need to be fixed

it seems... kinda easy to fuck up scum building

[naive imp]

shield should instead guide all incoming fire/projectiles directly to the psyker who placed itt

[vale remnant]

I am amazed that they found a way to not give melee scum movement speed and critical damage

[dense hollow]

probably for the best

[vale remnant]

some kind of anti-ranged node or SOMETHING

[novel quest]

in the game where it's notoriously hard to fuck up builds you just have a class with almost every anti synergy under the sun

[vale remnant]

no, not for the best

[naive imp]

isnt your anti-ranged node the one that gives you toughness back on ranged hit

and also sliding, forever

[manic wolf]

Additionally, casting the Purgatus secondary fire applies Dot damage to the Psyker

[amber sundial]

scriers gaze should make you progressively more blind the higher your peril is

like straight up -100% gamma at 50+ peril

[novel quest]

irl

[vale remnant]

also exec stance on vet should give you 1000% bloom on it ending

just saying, for balance sake

[frigid sluice]

On a desperado build with stub/auto pistol do I aim for the head or the body of maulers

[manic wolf]

It already does that

[amber sundial]

but like even more so

[vale remnant]

body

[naive imp]

venting shriek should hit allies, and make kinetic flayer work for good measure

[placid drum]

Body

[frigid sluice]

Rad

[amber sundial]

nah that should be infiltrate

since you put on night vision goggles

[novel quest]

100% peril = you just get flashbanged and go blind irl

[vale remnant]

shove them right against the chest or back

[amber sundial]

exestance should make every enemy that isnt highlighted invisible and silent

[vale remnant]

use smite should just crash your game

oh wait

[naive imp]

ogryn taunt should have friendly fire and it makes your cursor lock on to the ogryn if you're in the area

[amber sundial]

brain burst does what its name implies

[vale remnant]

Warning: not enough memory

[naive imp]

but it already does that

[manic wolf]

Casting smite should delete your Psyker save file

[limber cradle]

Smite usage should not only crash your game but uninstall it if you continue using it after the first game

[novel quest]

rampage can do this apparently btw

[vale remnant]

we're smart, fatshark should hire us

[amber sundial]

smite should just straight up delete from thge tree after you finish the penance

[naive imp]

using castigator's stance should, instead of giving you 80% DR, make all allies in coherency take 80% of your damage

[amber sundial]

it also takes all talents put into it permanently

[thorny ginkgo]

when do you use the purple mode on bonesaw?

[vale remnant]

wait, hold on a second

why isn't this a zealot thing

[amber sundial]

mmmm is that a yummy barrel i see?

[near vapor]

what is jank about hive scum

[vale remnant]

that would actually be neat

[naive imp]

man what the fuck

[near vapor]

I thought the class is working as intended, barring the bug with precision violence and hyper critical bug

[dense hollow]

yo this is a sick build

[inner void]

Shock & Awe doesn't always trigger on kill... -_-

[novel quest]

bugged talents, perks, stats on its exclusive weapon (inspect and hover over crit bonus on stub pistols)

[naive imp]

stub pistols are fucked somehow apparently

[novel quest]

aww ty

[vale remnant]

I am in shock and in awe

[thorn prawn]

Right side ability and keystone working against each other for one

[rapid mango]

the supply was also supposed to give dependancy stacks

[shut grotto]

You use it for Armour, so like fighting Maulers, Scab Ragers, Crushers etc. Purple applies brittleness i'm pretty sure so it's good vs armour

[amber sundial]

the toxin got the kill then

[naive imp]

as in zealot takes some of the teams damage or as in zealot forcibly gives some of its damage taken to the team

[amber sundial]

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[sturdy marsh]

For the mk 3 shiv, for horde clear are y'all light spam or heavy spam?

[near vapor]

I wouldnt say that classifies as jank but I get your point

[shut grotto]

Just use Mk1, it's better

[manic wolf]

Not that it hurts them at all

[zenith pagoda]

DMG modifier doesn't affect dot on needle pistol right?

[dense hollow]

i don't know what this ability that gives you 30 seconds of invulnerability is but that's pretty cool

[vale remnant]

It would be cool if you can lean into the martyr aesthetic more

[dense hollow]

too bad when it ends you realize you now have purple in your health bar

[rapid mango]

perks do affect DoT

[near vapor]

yea just direct hit

you can dump damage

[naive imp]

replace beacon of purity

[manic wolf]

Stubbers have faster TTK's on all threatening enemies than Autos even without thier proper crit values

[vale remnant]

like you can pick a ally to brand or bond with them and take some of their damage voluntarily to make them stronger

more tanky

[sturdy marsh]

Idk I've been digging the mk 3 more. With a stimm supply build. I might try the 1 out again now that I finally have it up to 500

[naive imp]

ive missed warrior priest's bubble shield

[near vapor]

it runs out too fast

[naive imp]

relic just doesnt do it for me

[vale remnant]

Same, bubble was such a clutch ability

[manic wolf]

Yeah, coz you cant mow down trash for upkeep, they're still giga-stronk in Desperado tho

[vale remnant]

so good at letting slayers just jump in care free and beat ass

[naive imp]

maybe the instant heal is too much for this game but at least the "pick a guy to kill everything" part

[manic wolf]

Hell, they're giga-stronk out of Desperado

[shut grotto]

Not a massive fan of the Mk3s tbh, they just feel weird. The MK1s have enough horde clear when i'm running a strength/attack speed stimm and rampage, and also do great against armour when I need them too

[vale remnant]

I kinda wanna stream a run of my setup and do some auric stuff

[near vapor]

heavies and weave in some lights

I genuinely think in 9/10 cases

[vale remnant]

since some people aren't sure if how I'm running it is actually like, properly optimized

[near vapor]

the mk3 shiv is better than the mk1

[bronze glade]

nah for mk3 just light spam

[vale remnant]

Cuz I do wanna take this into havoc eventually

[novel quest]

it's funny you say that, in the time I was loading in I'm pretty sure the bot got fucked so hard I had 30% purple health and like 40hp

[near vapor]

no you can combine both heavy sweeps and lights

[bronze glade]

the heavies are too slow

[near vapor]

the weapon is fast enough for you to do that

[naive imp]

i never noticed until someone pointed it out to me but aside from venting shriek they really tried not to put any directly damaging abilities in

[sturdy marsh]

And just push attack for single right?

[near vapor]

yes

[bronze glade]

for mk3?

[dense hollow]

yeah you wake up from a dream and are missing a bunch of hp suddenly

[bronze glade]

it's PA Heavy

[near vapor]

push attack > heavy > light > light

or just push attack > heavy > repeat

[novel quest]

might've been Tzeentch fucking with me

[sturdy marsh]

I always forget about the bolt pistol. Is the dump collateral or mobility?

[novel quest]

mob

[near vapor]

i like mob as a dump

[naive imp]

mk 1 shivs is just sword and dagger moveset right

[near vapor]

yea

[novel quest]

from kerillian? I believe so

[bronze glade]

collat on the original mark

[astral canyon]

Pretty sure mobility affects your accuracy while moving so i think its collateral

[bronze glade]

idk about the new one

[naive imp]

for some reason i like it more in this game

[bronze glade]

prob could dump collat too

[naive imp]

maybe because its attached to a stimm addict instead of an elf

[near vapor]

you just put run and gun really

[naive imp]

huh... how well does bistol desperado go

[near vapor]

and whatever you vibe as a 2nd blessing

[bronze glade]

on the explode one? pretty good

[astral canyon]

You dump the pistol itself in that case

[bronze glade]

nah bistol's a good sidearm

[sturdy marsh]

The new mk bolt pistol is the same as the new mk bolt rifle right? An explosive shot

[near vapor]

bistol is the most mobile ranged weapon you can have

[astral canyon]

On the new mark i mean

[near vapor]

it pairs well with a weapon with shit dodges and sprint speed

[dense hollow]

does hive scum have a melee weapon with 3 dodges

[near vapor]

i think caxe is

[naive imp]

aw man but i hate the explodey mark

[thorn prawn]

Chainaxe

[near vapor]

been awhile

[bronze glade]

idk i only run it with desperado anyway

[near vapor]

yea

[dense hollow]

true i forgot chainaxe is on the class

[near vapor]

but less direct damage

le caveat and all that

[naive imp]

im interested, hows chaxe perform with the melee tree, it sounds funny

[near vapor]

i dont like the chaxe so I cant tell you

[thorn prawn]

Funnily enough, it's my favorite weapon for melee scum

[sturdy marsh]

Did they make any changes to the new mk bolt weapons? I remember it not being great

[naive imp]

i cant test it right now because my headphones are fucked

i dunno, people liked the exploding bolt gun apparently

[dense hollow]

its probably similar performance to what it is on zealot except less crusher damage

[inner void]

Playing Darktide without headphones would be ass

[dense hollow]

but i couldnt tell you because i didnt use it

[thorn prawn]

The new mk bpistol is really underwhelming imo

[naive imp]

ive got one functioning ear but it feels terrible hearing everything in one ear

[limber cradle]

You're acting like headphones even matters when the audio engine breaks

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m playing darktide rn with airpod max

it’s so bad

[near vapor]

it took FS like

[inner void]

Surely you get bluetooth lag

[obsidian crown]

I play darktide without audio everyday

[naive imp]

now i get all the stealth bursters/trappers except the regular audio is now in one ear and im getting tinnitus

[near vapor]

3 years just for crusher voicelines to be properly heard in matches

[naive imp]

i still dont know a single one of the crusher voicelines

[sacred estuary]

I play darktide with echolocation

[thorny ginkgo]

no it’s just when in discord calls the sound quality of the game is terrible lol

[limber cradle]

I'm still not convinced crushers dont literally just spawn behind you with how quiet they are walking.

[thorn prawn]

I hope Spyder Sense will help with that

[pastel wasp]

so does the needle pistol stability stat effect first shot inaccuracy or is it exclusively the very tiny amount of sway when firing?

[near vapor]

is better now at least because you can hear them go HUAAAGHH

[naive imp]

look, i aint installing spider sense

because im not confident i wont crash even faster if i reinstall my mods

[sturdy marsh]

I just randomly guess when im supposed to dodge and hope I get through the match.

[near vapor]

theres sound cues that tells you when an enemy is about to land a hit

[naive imp]

no there arent theres no audio

okay so were crusher voice lines actually broken all this time or was it a bit

[near vapor]

broken

for years

[naive imp]

when was it fixed

i need to know if im deaf or if its fatsharks fault

[near vapor]

you can hear them play in the training area with creature spawner back then

[hollow venture]

what is the Cartel special? looking at that one Penance for crits while Cartel special is active but not sure what that is

[near vapor]

idk but prolly some hotfix or so after arbys is released

[sacred estuary]

The audio is both fixed and not fixed

[naive imp]

its your drugs

[near vapor]

your stimms

[astral canyon]

I play darktide like a silent movie where every voiceline has a cutout screen with it written for 5 seconds

[astral canyon]

Custom drugs

[hollow venture]

ahhhh thought so but couldnt find where it named them as such, thanks

[sturdy marsh]

Does anyone know the max stack of toxin, and how much each shot of the needle applies?

[modest patio]

what perks for bone saw do we want? Flak and unyielding?

[naive imp]

i have no audio so i play with 3 of my friends who are also in the same room and if something gets near me they yell loudly to warn me

[thorn prawn]

30, 6 bodyshot, 8 weakspot/crit

I think

[sturdy marsh]

Cool thanks

[thorn prawn]

I believe so, yeah

[obsidian crown]

At least you can hear

[modest patio]

Thank you, it seemed like hat would make sense

[rare stirrup]

Wait so is mk6 just better in terms of straight toxin?

[near vapor]

yea

[naive imp]

i cant, there's a fourth friend who shakes me violently from behind when they hear the other friends shouting

[obsidian crown]

You can hear with one ear

[near vapor]

like maybe if you like to use the alt fire mode the mark2 is better

[obsidian crown]

I’m born deaf. So yeah.

[near vapor]

but I genuinely dont use the alt fire

[thin crag]

what blessings do yall run on your crowbar?

[sturdy linden]

I'm sorry but that is incredibly funny

[thorn prawn]

Do you use Syder Sense?

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

[naive imp]

nope, not even that sorry, its just my headphones completely fucked

glad you coul find a way to play the game though

[obsidian crown]

Kinda have to or I’m fucked

[thorn prawn]

Fatshark should make it a built in accessibility option

[amber sundial]

Who gets the duty of shaking you? Do your friends pull straws when you all want to play?

Or is it just last person to sit in a seat

[naive imp]

its whoever i favor most this month

[obsidian crown]

I remember first playing this game and trying it out without mods with my friends

This was me

https://tenor.com/view/railway-empire-2-railway-empire-trains-i-like-trains-ich-mag-züge-gif-8780022177388201347

Every damn mutie

[naive imp]

blissfully carrying on as 8 crushers line up to turn your innards into outtards

[thorn prawn]

They take turns, of course

[mint fable]

Have the lowest success rate as the hive scum

I am so squishy

[naive imp]

yep

feels weird not to have 60% dr

[amber sundial]

Calendar on the wall purely for the schedule of who gets to shake them today

[mint fable]

Like once the boss targets me, Im down

[naive imp]

its an honourable role

[thorn prawn]

There there. It's a bit of an odd class

[high gull]

You can't just light spam mobs and be back at full toughness

Or pres a button and be a damage sponge

[idle ore]

post build

[thorn prawn]

"I can do this Tuesday 7pm and double duty on Sundays."

[amber sundial]

calling in sick to shake him but still being in the room to watch the others play

[somber frigate]

Is it just me or should like half of this tree just be made default to the hive scum? 🤔 It doesn't really feel very nice.

(The dodging nodes section)

[naive imp]

its not like jury dutyyy

its a fun position to be in

for both parties

[amber sundial]

now the real question

How violently do they shake you

and is it left to right up and down or a mix

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/what-whatd-huh-confused-lost-gif-13055027

[somber frigate]

No? 😔

[naive imp]

chair shaking, scuffing the floor, misaligning my spine, in every position every which way

but i successfully shoot the trapper in the face

[thorn prawn]

Might be a bit too much

[naive imp]

barely anyone gets passive base class features now

ogryns got its 40% dr and...

vet has immunity to suppression

[near vapor]

it wouldnt be balanced

[high gull]

I'm waiting for the obligatory "Scum should have a healing tree" comment

[thorn prawn]

Oh I completely forgot we lost that talent node

[somber frigate]

Regained Posture and Sippery Customer just sort of feel like part of the identity of the hive scum to explain my thoughts a bit more, which is a lot less than half

[naive imp]

when i was reading the zealot changes i thought they just baked until death in but no they just made it mandatory to take (well, more mandatory)

[thorn prawn]

Scum should have a healing tree

[naive imp]

scum should have a hurting tree

[near vapor]

shouldve seen the posts

[sturdy linden]

nature is healing

[high gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452219191580295168/1392348183438557306/freeze-2.gif

[near vapor]

about scum being weak (its not)

[naive imp]

there should be realistic consequences to inhaling your friends mysterious stimms

[novel oracle]

Vet can peek over cover too!!
Dont forget!!

[naive imp]

oh right thanks cole

so useful

[manic wolf]

Fuck I hate Psykers.

[near vapor]

Mystery E parroting that scum is weak...

[manic wolf]

Up an down like a yo-yo

[high gull]

It's wild people are just listening to that.

[urban pecan]

whatre the two modes on the bone saw?

[high gull]

Toxin and brittleness

[hexed lava]

i wish scum have a super fast reload after killing special, elite tree like vet

[warped grove]

Whoever listens to Mr. E in the big 25 is a moron

[sturdy linden]

if you're a Youtuber you have 10x the authority didn't you know

[naive imp]

piss and grape

[amber sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1273014407395545159/GifMeme22241213082024.gif

[urban pecan]

toxin green and brittleness purple?

[amber sundial]

When can we get this as a stim

[high gull]

yes

[thorn prawn]

Isn't our entire tree mostly a hurting one?

[urban pecan]

do we think crowbar or bone saw?

[high gull]

We?

[hexed lava]

i love bone saw more

[high gull]

[naive imp]

only to the enemies, allies should suffer consequences for taking stimms

and debuffs for being sober

[warped grove]

Shivs

[manic wolf]

Shriks you to the size of a rodent and forces you into Tertium's ventilation system, you may or may not appear at the next objective

[low zenith]

Doin' some havoc 40 build theory RN.... Considering dropping my 60 mobility for a 60 collat dual autopistols because I use speedload and blaze away over pinning fire.... Thoughts?The collat doesn't seem terribly useful w/ vultures mark

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/whos-we-silco-arcane-who-are-you-talking-about-we-gif-23774379

[near vapor]

ay who personality you playing as

[urban pecan]

im struggling to make them work tbh

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/bonesaw-ready-spiderman-wrestling-mic-gif-5061365

[dense hollow]

mister e says melee scum is hard but you barely get punished for some mistakes that kill a veteran with no gold, like taking 45 health damage from a mauler overhead

[high gull]

I'm playing the fan favorite

Anarchist

[warped grove]

Light spam into horde and heavy on flak and carapace, easy as

[amber sundial]

Im 100% changing off BH next time I log in

[near vapor]

man sounds like a fuckin goblin when I hear him

cackling like crazy

[high gull]

He's British

So that makes sense

[somber frigate]

You mean bounty hunter voice? Not a fan?

[warped grove]

Mr. E when the class doesn’t explode any enemy they look at automatically

[modest patio]

Does the stims bottom right tree make the stim cooldown faster or only our skill?

[naive imp]

which ones the australian voice

[high gull]

Trust in the Tanner builds

[thorn prawn]

God roll one with 0% collat so it's like 30% once fully upgraded

[high gull]

Trust trust

[amber sundial]

I gave it time to see if he had some cool lines, but he’s very one note and also an ass to everyone without any personalities he’s chill with

[low zenith]

That sounds kinda wild tbh lmao

[somber frigate]

Fem BH is chill with Ogryn

[dense hollow]

theres very few tide youtubers i even like watching these days

i like khandones because he just plays the game

[amber sundial]

I was male BH

[somber frigate]

"You don't think much do you?"

"No! Only fight!"

"If that's what you want big man"

[warped grove]

Makes sense, hes only in it for the money not friendships

[high gull]

To be fair, can't think anyone hates oggy.

[mighty belfry]

thing is that every sloptider kept going on the tangent that hive scum is just not good and now they're at the point of saying it's just janky and antisynergetic

[somber frigate]

Yea just giving my experience

[high gull]

Maybe Maul.

But maul hates everyone

[mighty belfry]

Like why didn't people just say that before

[sand tendon]

gloriana type barrels lmao

[mighty belfry]

That's actually true.

[warped grove]

Desperado Mac 10s are ridiculously good

[high gull]

View baiting

[near vapor]

playing as Maul and this bitch really thinks everyone being dead = purest form of the Lex

[high gull]

Gotta squeeze a topic for all it's worth

[near vapor]

like damn talk about police brutality

[low zenith]

Hive scum singlehandedled removes the gunner problem in havoc, which is the ONLY problem now that we have insane crusher killer metas. It's by no means weak.... Wild that people can't do everything perfectly with a class and cry for buffs

[amber sundial]

One line I found funny when playing was anarchist shooting a teammate and when they get mad about it, the anarchist just laughs

[mighty belfry]

Also.

[manic wolf]

Because they're getting skill-issued so fuckin hard right now that saying its anti-synergistic is the only save they can pull to not look like total clowns. However true the statement may be.

[high gull]

Nooooo you don't understand

I want a totally unique class that plays exactly like the other classes

[mighty belfry]

Stimm Supply with Full Combat and Full Attack Speed stim is basically Rampage lite and I'm loving this build

[high gull]

Waaaaaaah

[warped grove]

As classes should be, they are strong in a category and weak in another and not like Sesbian Lex over there

[placid prairie]

Tbf the shivs suck at early levels, blue hit indicators on flak is
Put uncanny strikes on there as soon as possible, trust me

[low zenith]

They're no match for us gigachad lex offenders

[urban pecan]

hmm will try that thanks

[warped grove]

I for one am GLAD that I can’t inf stagger a crusher group

Would make the class a pisswalk

[mighty belfry]

Lmao just run blackouts

[warped grove]

I can dance around them but not stagger them all

[naive imp]

what exactly is a pisswalk

[manic wolf]

You kinda can with Blackouts, but they're a blitz

[low zenith]

The people have yet to try fury 2 one track stimm lab... 44 second cd crusher delete button

[urban pecan]

so is mode 2 on crowbar just for amoured guys?

[mighty belfry]

Blackouts best blitz

[high gull]

regenning blitz that can apply toxin

[coarse patio]

so, is it possible to get an 80 alls for the autopistol? whats the best dumpstat for grinding them

[warped grove]

Too easy, like you can stagger with Ogryn or Arbi

[high gull]

Fooken mental mate

[naive imp]

im aware, but this word for it is a new one to me

[manic wolf]

Correct. But the Chem Grenade enjoyers will never agree

[naive imp]

how exactly do you go about a pisswalk

[mighty belfry]

Chem grenade overrated

[warped grove]

Wouldnt you wanna know

[naive imp]

do you keep the pants on or off

[broken moss]

you walk while pissing

[amber sundial]

Optional

[manic wolf]

Simple, you walk whilst pissing and need new trousers afterwards

[coarse patio]

so, is it possible to get an 80 alls for the autopistol? whats the best dumpstat for grinding them

[amber sundial]

depends how you feeling

[warped grove]

I used all three blitz, I don’t know which I like most tbh

[manic wolf]

Massively overrated tbh

[high gull]

You can't get full 80s

[low zenith]

TFW I regen 4 blinders every single fight and can constantly shimmy my way out of every single problem situation I ever find myself in :3

[naive imp]

[broken moss]

you wear pants?

[coarse patio]

so what should be the dumpstat for them

[manic wolf]

No, I wear your pants

[mighty belfry]

Like yes they are hella strong

[warped grove]

I like running Chem for Desperado and Blackout for Rampage, synergy and rhat

[high gull]

I dump mobility usually.

But das just me

[mighty belfry]

But they don't really, provide much for Hive Scum I think.

[broken moss]

i dont have pants

[thorn prawn]

Usually collateral if you don't intend on using Pinning Fire

[placid drum]

I feel like people will slowly shift over to using blinders with pocket toxin

[mighty belfry]

While Blackouts provide something that Hive Scum does significantly benefit from and also regen.

[high gull]

I mean it's much more handy

[broken moss]

something aint right about this class

[amber sundial]

Damn Jean stealers got to em

[naive imp]

not anymore.

[warped grove]

Chems are nice for revives, so are blackouts

[manic wolf]

Guess some unfortunate sod is gonna be finding pissy pants in thier cupboard then

[mighty belfry]

PLUS

[high gull]

I can save nade pick ups by just sawwing mobs

[mighty belfry]

Chem nades are loud.

[high gull]

I'm surrounded by pox?

Nade the cround

Toxxed the pox

[mighty belfry]

This game already has enough sound issues as is.

[placid drum]

Yea specially the fact you can regen them is huge i have them on all my builds

[naive imp]

are blinders as crazy in super high density as i think

[high gull]

Thiiiiiiis 100%

[amber sundial]

Don’t forget the particles ruining FPS

[mighty belfry]

Extremely.

[manic wolf]

They absolutely are

[warped grove]

The only thing that it kills better than Poxers is my perfomance

[dense hollow]

id use saw more often with blinders if chem toxin or the 2nd rip of the heavy 1 gave me blackout stacks

[naive imp]

i feel sad i barely see boom bringer brought up

[high gull]

I just one of them sum bitches in a massive horde and watch them all die from fent overdose

Tox is fucking insane

[naive imp]

it should refund on a headshot like bh ult

[placid drum]

Also best part you dont gotta fight over grenades in matches

[high gull]

Especially when I have a needler

[warped grove]

Its alright, good for an elite horde but not much use beside that

[mighty belfry]

Because unfortunately, it's just not that good right now compared to the other blitzes.

It's just the facts.

[thorn prawn]

I eagerly wait for I Wanna See to include that effect so I can disable it so my game no longer runs like a slideshow

[placid prairie]

The single target moveset is ideal for elites in general, yeah

[manic wolf]

It just doesnt have enough uses to be good. With Pocket Toxin you can nuke the fuck out of Bulwark sandwiches, but it just doesnt have avalibility going for it

[amber sundial]

Yea

[warped grove]

Doesn’t do enough monstrosity damage and sometimes doesnt even kill a crusher

[high gull]

The problem arises when you have a team of black out tox users, now you're fightin over kills to regen nades

[last kelp]

wow scriers gaze melee psyker really is just melee hive scum but better and no downsides, crazy

[amber sundial]

You’re always fighting over kills lol

[naive imp]

i know grenade upgrade nodes are kind of eh to take but i do miss them in arbites/scum

[warped grove]

Mods send a mauler horde to this guy

[high gull]

Oh you know what else is good

[placid drum]

hahah that is very it becomes a compition and before you know it everythings dead in a frenzy

[dense hollow]

monstrosity damage on a blitz doesn't really matter if it doesn't regen unless it's doing half of a bosses health

[last kelp]

the movement speed alone is insane

[high gull]

Sample collector with tox black outs

[manic wolf]

Lets be real, thats only gonna be a problem for a few more days, then the filter will have worked its magic and only the people who really love Scummer will be playing it

[fickle lark]

can anyone tell me wtf ''Cartel special'' is ?
is that just the hive scum stims ?

[high gull]

I'm seeing less now

[mighty belfry]

Hive Scum inadvertently has also made psyker even more annoyingly apparent that it needs to be put in check in some way tbh

[thorn prawn]

Stim

[high gull]

Yes

[warped grove]

I am addicted to scummer like scummer is to stims

[fickle lark]

thanks

[high gull]

I still wanna see how viable a no stimm scummer is

[manic wolf]

As if that wasnt already hugely obvious ¬.¬

[amber sundial]

Oh yea I have yet to play with stimm crate at lvl 30 does sample collector just instantly give your crate back if you drop it to explode into a horde

[naive imp]

psyker should get penalties on all three abilities because its the risk class

[high gull]

I wish I had a clip

[obsidian crown]

Tbh a vulture’s dodge desperado would do just fine without stim

[mighty belfry]

Like who on Earth asked for Scrier's to quell peril

[warped grove]

3% chance to summon a rotfly on use

[amber sundial]

Stimm lab stims

[fickle lark]

thanks

[naive imp]

im surprised there wasnt a "sober" keystone but i guess the stimm is a pretty big draw

[thorn prawn]

I did that a few times. People who knew always gave me green stim to heal everyone

[high gull]

But if you just needler aoe and tox nade into a pack of literally anything, especially dense packs.

[manic wolf]

All my homies hate Psykers

[high gull]

That cooldown will just zip away

[amber sundial]

Even full 30 point stim?

[manic wolf]

Got a level 4000 Ogryn, this run is assured

[mighty belfry]

Ah yeah let's take the ability with an actually sensible downside of needing to be wary of your peril to then get insane ammounts of damage that no other class really can on a regular basis.

[high gull]

Like a chem nade in a densely packed room use to just give me my crate and stimm back before the effect ended

[mighty belfry]

And take away the downside!

[high gull]

Yep

[mighty belfry]

Great idea, Obesefish!

[high gull]

I've posted 2 screens in here a few days ago of my stimm coming back and being ready to use while I'm still under the effect of my current stimm

[mighty belfry]

Rampage having the exhaustion debuff just makes Scrier's Gaze piss me off even more lol

[high gull]

A 100% visc

[amber sundial]

I gotta try it out then

I played stim crate at like lvl 15 and got the penance then havent touched it again yet

[marble flower]

For anyone struggling with hive scum survivability, I went from hating this class for being a stupid glass cannon that required perfect play with zero mistakes, to loving it after speccing into certain perks.

You can get 40% toughness DR practically forever with "hive city brawler" and the chemical dependency keystone with the "chem fortified" enhancement. Combined with "tis but a scratch" and "burst of energy" you actually start to feel pretty damn tanky, especially when in rampage where you get another 25% damage reduction for 65% total DR.

Also I run "coated weaponry" and "toxic renewal" and have specced into a fair bit of crit chance in the build, so that plus the early "precision violence" talent means as long as I'm whacking and killing stuff in a horde there's massive toughness generation.

[obsidian crown]

Is a rant incoming

[high gull]

It's a damn good team support ability.

[limber cradle]

Psyker players need the training wheels

[naive imp]

as far as ive seen there's always at least a few rants wherever you go

[warped grove]

You guys die as scum? Damn

[amber sundial]

I’m def gonna enjoy stim crate now that I’ve finished all ability specific penances

Only gotta do the 100 games penance now lol

[obsidian crown]

Welcome to the party. About 3-4 days late but glad you realized.

[near vapor]

theres situations where youre left wanting as scum

[vale remnant]

Alright, I've played enough gun scum for a while

[obsidian crown]

Now apologize to the guy you were being incredibly toxic to

[placid drum]

Till they sorta fix the stim supply now giving you chemical dependency stacks il run frenzy with my toxin support build

[vale remnant]

time to be shot to death as melee

[near vapor]

for one, Shiv not having enough stagger

[high gull]

This isn't factoring in the talent that makes tox'd mobs do 15% less dmg and mostros do 30% less is it?

[naive imp]

why doesnt stimm crate give me gold toughness and 100% strength, does fatshark want this class to fail

[thorn prawn]

Should it have stagger?

[vale remnant]

I will admit rampage or melee keystone needs a bit more juice

[zenith pagoda]

I really want to see scum cosmetics with stims on them

[sturdy linden]

I know JUST where you should comment this if you want a tide of updoots

[silver mural]

Definitely relatively speaking its a big difference.

Once i reach tis but a scratch and burst of energy i saw a huge improvement

[sturdy linden]

[vale remnant]

It has way too many aux modifiers

[marble flower]

Nope good catch to bring it up though. Sadly I can't find room for it in my build but I'd like to

[near vapor]

I mean I wouldnt mind stronger stagger on the shiv heavies personally

[naive imp]

itd be nice

[exotic citrus]

Can I say hivescum with quickdraw and the fan the hammer attack is absolutely goated lmao.

[near vapor]

like they differentiate by having the mk3 shiv have more stagger on its heavy sweeps

[high gull]

I'd pay dividends to have a backapck with a stimm crate or stimm needles hanging off of it.

[amber sundial]

Rampage used to be even stronger than it is now lol

#hivescum-class message

[versed spruce]

I found a bug

[high gull]

I guess if you coodrinate with someone

[marble flower]

For real, while leveling this class felt like garbage but it actually does have good survivability. You just don't get to see it until very late in the tree

[high gull]

You can aoe a chem nade or tox blinder

[naive imp]

ineed one of those beer hats but full of stimms

[high gull]

And boom

[versed spruce]

Make sure not to have Forge's Bellow and get caught by a cspawn on a staircase

When Rampage ends you fall through the map xd

[obsidian crown]

Guess you owe puri an apology

[zenith pagoda]

Maybe a mini lab or medcrate as a backpack

[amber sundial]

does stimm crate or rampage have cool mortis trial indulgences?

I know desperado straight up has 200% dmg while active

[zenith pagoda]

Mortis trials? What's that

[thorn prawn]

FatFish printing money with that one

[silver mural]

Well idk if id call it good, its still below psyker, zealot, arbites, and ogryn imo but definitely becomes a ton easier.

The class is extremely bottom heavy

[obsidian crown]

Huh?

[placid drum]

All i can picture is this right away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_FQU4KzN7A

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/money-take-my-rich-yay-gif-20581785

[naive imp]

i mean its strong sure but im disappointed

[silver mural]

Durability, we are speaking about durability

[obsidian crown]

Do you consider damage avoidance a part of durability though? If not, dw

[coarse patio]

idk how to send images

but im wondering if this gun is worth getting from Melk

its a HS Dual Autopistols with stats all in the 70's

worth?

[limber cradle]

No, and you have to have a red name

[coarse patio]

why no, and over 80's with a 60 mobility dump

does anyone use melk?

[daring lichen]

I dumped collateral because i enjoy having movement on a class focused so much on avoiding hits

[obsidian crown]

I actually almost went an entire high int auric with 0 dmg taken on Desperado to end up with 53 dmg taken because teammates liked to shoot 3 barrels on me. Was planning to show it here at 0 dmg taken. Sad face

[naive imp]

these days, not really, aside from gambling for curios

[limber cradle]

Can you rephrase this? It isn't clicking for me.

[naive imp]

i just get grey items with the right stats and upgrade em

[marble flower]

Nah, a troll response is still a troll response. Could've replied with all this knowledge of how to make hive scum actually feel decent and tried to be helpful, if truly I'm several days late to the party and this was all already known by the community at that point. But instead said "smells like skill issue" when skill had nothing to do with it. It wasn't about becoming some godly level uber sweat and avoiding mistakes in mission, it was "oh hey maybe the issue is you just don't have certain perks that are must takes yet."

[queen apex]

Anyone have a good suggestion on what melee weapon to use just for crushers?

[silver mural]

No i wouldnt, when i think durability i think of taking punishment, not avoiding it

[obsidian crown]

People were responding to you and Cole even told you what to take as the “holy trinity” build for you to insult everyone telling you otherwise. Just saying. Good lesson for the future though

[daring lichen]

Combat knife is pretty solid, especially with the high crit chance you can build on scum

[coarse patio]

so, the one i got from brunt is 80/80/80/80/80/60 mobility dump

the one i saw from melk is like, stats in the 70's

[silver mural]

How many punches in the face can the class handle type shit

[queen apex]

Totally forgot they could use combat knife, thanks

[hollow venture]

anyone know what the diff is between the 2 needle guns?

[obsidian crown]

Ah. I take it as the ability to not take damage the entire mission or least dmg taken. That’s durable to me. But good to know

[dense hollow]

a class that takes 45 hp damage from mauler overheads is tanky enough for me

[limber cradle]

Keep the one you got from Brunt, you want to maximize output for damage and ammo capacity which you won't do with statlines in the 70s, you're not losing a lot of mobility on 60 mobility vs 70 something.

[coarse patio]

alr

[naive imp]

skill issue happened first

[near vapor]

combat axe

[naive imp]

but frankly thats internet standard by this point

[limber cradle]

First one explodes and toxs everything around what exploded, second one explodes and staggers and does a bit of raw damage around what exploded

[coarse patio]

as for curios for HS, i feel like they give the "omg i need all the toughness curios" vibe, no?

[naive imp]

or more accurately it has been forever, it just wasnt called skill issue before

ive been running 2 toughness 1 stam

[hollow venture]

ok so 1st one way better then, ty

[naive imp]

so what i play vet with usually

[near vapor]

i run 2 toughness 1 stamina

[limber cradle]

Thats also my thought

[placid drum]

2 toughness 1 stamina is normally the way to go for HS

[limber cradle]

I also run this

[obsidian crown]

Unless melee. Triple stamina

[daring lichen]

Why is stamina considered good? I'm never low on stamina due the stamina gain on dodge

[bronze glade]

for "normal" builds i think 2 toughness 1 hp is better

[near vapor]

you can block attacks, spam push and push attacks

[dense hollow]

theres a node that gives you more attack speed per stamina

[silver mural]

All classes are tanky enough, but that doesnt make them tanky af ;)

[dense hollow]

also on weapons like tacaxe if its something you wanna run

[near vapor]

you dont break your blocks too when blocking a pogryn charge

[dense hollow]

you have no stamina without it

[coarse patio]

is it worth grabbing a 16% toughness curio from melk or should i gamble? or just wait until brunt rolls something higher

[thorn prawn]

Talent node that gives 2% attack speed per stamina block

[near vapor]

16% is good

[zenith fern]

Grab it

17% is very rare to obtain

[near vapor]

also this

[idle ore]

Can gamble too, melk is pretty worthless for anything else but curio gambling

[daring lichen]

Yeah i have that too, but having +2/3 stamina doesn't seem to do a whole lot compared to 15-17% toughness or 19-21% health

[zenith fern]

Also people should bring out ally revive speed perk for Scum, it saves so much trouble due the low toughness resistance

[placid drum]

Most things will simply smack through that toughness anyways if its a mauler or crusher

[obsidian crown]

It does a lot when you have precision violence

[zenith fern]

Been doing amazing on me

[naive imp]

still waiting for the day they add offensive curios

(the name "defensive curios" implies their existence)

[coarse patio]

i got like 20k with them, should i see what i get or wait?

also im trading out 19% max hp for 16% toughness, from another curio

[idle ore]

You can grab the 16% and gamble some if you want

[amber sundial]

Utility curio major node for 50% CDR when

[zenith fern]

Do both

[daring lichen]

Yeah, i mean we're talking about crushers and maulers here. when ranged damage and fire tickles your toughness down it's solid to have some more toughness to fall back on. Or more health for the "oh shit" situations

[zenith fern]

Grab the 16% and gamble if you lucky

[idle ore]

Melk gambling is how I get my +3 and 17%

[tender forge]

anyway so 3 of the gangs are ran by women huh

[thorn prawn]

You got your orange name, congrats

[tender forge]

wonder if the new ragged king is also a woman

[zenith fern]

Gooner deadasses

[placid drum]

There is a node near the bottom middle tree that gives back toughness apon getting shot by ranged

[coarse patio]

awsome

[tender forge]

seems so

[naive imp]

what

[coarse patio]

this was the weapon btw @limber cradle

[tender forge]

cuz, treadies, the train people, and the show

[zenith fern]

Scum is literally the class that is preferred playing in females lmao

[near vapor]

I like Male Outlaw

[limber cradle]

Yeah, it's not worth spending melkbux on. He very rarely has things in his shop worth buying.

[placid drum]

With this class you really wanna be sliding and dodging around anyways and not really wanting to take any sort of damage

[coarse patio]

i also gambled with melk and got, doo doo, trash curios

[thorn prawn]

Oh yeah, typical stinky Melk weapon

[naive imp]

scum is my only female character

i thought of the pun name first so i had to

[near vapor]

I tried female Outlaw for a bit but her voice is too quiet

and delivery isnt as hype moments and aura as the male

[limber cradle]

Yup, now you're gonna keep doing it till he graces you with good ones.

[obsidian crown]

Got a bunch of +3 stamina from
Melk but no 17% toughness

[daring lichen]

I'm also running that, feels like one of the few consistent defense nodes for scum. But still, unless i'm playing a ranged autopistol build (Scum easy mode) having more toughness is always good, so is health. But a litte more attack speed? I'm not really sold

[tender forge]

female bh is a good, better than the male bounty hunter

[zenith fern]

Mandatory to any build

[bronze glade]

this is why i run 2 toughness 1 hp, unless i go full meme and run 9 stam

[dull dagger]

A good placeholder until you can find one with Mobility 60

[tender forge]

m,ainly due to the inability to pronounce H

[daring lichen]

Same

[naive imp]

i use push attacks a lot and like to sprint everywhere even more than scum lets you

[limber cradle]

Brunt has sold me 2 17 percent toughness curios and a +3 stam curio and at least 5 god rolled weapons out of his actual store but melk hasn't given me dogshit on scum

[coarse patio]

do i keep gambling? i dont wanna waste the melkbux, but you cant exactly spend them anywhere else. except maybe for other class gambling

[limber cradle]

Thats all you spend em on, unless you'd prefer the curios on another class I'd keep gambling.

[obsidian crown]

You didn’t specify builds. Anyways, 2 tough and 1 +3 stam is what I use

[near vapor]

male outlaw also voices malakai makaisson from total warhammer and the oathbreaker knight from bg3

[rapid mango]

survivability? apparently, yes. . . i facetanked a crusher overhead and somehow lived with like 30hp left

[coarse patio]

hmm, i think i'll wait on brunt instead

[placid drum]

Mmhmmm toughness is good so if you do want to run 3 toughness nothing wrongwith that really. But if your running a rampage build for example more stamina for that attack speed is great

[dull dagger]

Personally I just check the armory often. I already got all scum weapons with ideal dump stats that way, cheaply

[thorn prawn]

Melkbux only for curios. Dockets for weapon gamba

[zenith fern]

https://x.com/sister_ames/status/1997490875220525512?t=Rhwl5xJkMGmCzp5njrMXRg&s=19

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putting on my crazy-ass quirky gucci pants and sabatons to slaughter ppl

X · Dec 7, 2025, 2:18 AM

[coarse patio]

i got 2 15/16 tough curios, and 1 stam 2 curio

[obsidian crown]

If you’re gonna run health, just go triple toughness tbh.

[near vapor]

The Show >

[limber cradle]

This style of pants goes so incredibly hard

[naive imp]

i clapped when i saw ogryns leopard skin pants

[placid drum]

When i was gambling with malk he finally gave me a +2 wound curio but on scum

[near vapor]

we got sex booze drugs and entertainment

[naive imp]

(same with the shirtless ogryn cosmetic)

[placid drum]

i died on the inside

[naive imp]

so fucking peak

[narrow dagger]

YOUR HOST HAS LEFT A LIKE FOR THIS BANGER

THE SHOW RAHHHHHHHHHH

[bronze glade]

it was a tossup between 3x toughness with 3x hp perks, or 2x toughness and 1x hp with 3x toughness perks. i just went with the latter, don't think it matters either way

[warped grove]

a what

[bronze glade]

having HP is pretty important

[placid drum]

Yes you can get +2 wound curios but they are so fucking rare

[bronze glade]

rather than going all toughness

[daring lichen]

Don't feel like making it in the buildmaker, but i'm running a crit build with dependency, crit chance and rampage. High crit chance and attack speed for applying chem and bleed.

[obsidian crown]

With the amount of toughness % nodes you have and the amount of toughness gating you have with burst of energy, etc, I would go triple toughness tbh.

[naive imp]

yeah how else would you play 10 wound zealot

[bronze glade]

i don't think +2 wounds is a thing

[dull dagger]

450 hours in and I've never seen one

[warped grove]

There is not a thing such as 2 wounds

[narrow dagger]

1.2K me neither

[naive imp]

the government is lying to you

[placid drum]

1000 hours in and i finally got one

[bronze glade]

having some bonus hp is very important for enemies that don't care about toughness

[daring lichen]

Not a thing

[coarse patio]

alr im gonna grind ig. i got tac axe for mastery grinding reasons

[trim wind]

They don't exist, a myth invented by a youtuber

[placid drum]

you can check online and with folks builds

its a thing

[bronze glade]

proof?

[warped grove]

Screenshot

[rapid mango]

give me your fatshark code and put it on

[naive imp]

big toughness just wants you to believe that you should only ever have 2 wounds

[obsidian crown]

Like what other than snipers which you’re immune to anyways

[naive imp]

don't let them deceive yo u

[narrow dagger]

tzeench lied to you

[bronze glade]

bugged bursters

[zenith fern]

Erm actually there is

Use two 1+ wound curios

[obsidian crown]

Crusher and maulers just gonna one shot you

[bronze glade]

i don't think mauler overheads will one shot me

[warped grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/678342746200866821/1446492797233397780/image0.gif

[last kelp]

imagine not being enlightened by +3 stam curios and being a triple toughness mind slave

[obsidian crown]

Havoc maulers absolutely will

[last kelp]

i pity you

[bronze glade]

i don't play the meme mode

[daring lichen]

Banking on going down more (more wounds) will not yield as much value as banking on success in my experience. Focus on not going down rather than being able to go down more.

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[narrow dagger]

nah 2 thness 1 stam is the way

[naive imp]

we're discussing the existence of 2 wound curios and you think im making a serious suggestion

[near vapor]

[warped grove]

Talen has gone quiet, he is searching for a screenshot of the 2 wound curio

[last kelp]

I prefer 2 +3 stams and 1 17% toughness personally

[bronze glade]

give him a few years

[naive imp]

the toughness lobbyists got him.

[near vapor]

the toughness mob

[amber sundial]

Give him a moment pirated photoshop takes a bit to load

[tender forge]

reject toughness

[naive imp]

they sent the pinkertons after him

[tender forge]

embrace

the +9 stamina

[daring lichen]

Nah, just throwing it out there, i run 2 toughness and 1 health, somtimes 1 tough, 1 hp and 1 stam

depends

[narrow dagger]

what is your fav persona muckas

[near vapor]

outlaw

[obsidian crown]

2x tough and 1 stam for me. The convo is just mainly sir saying he takes 2 tough and 1 HP so that’s why triple toughness came into picture. I wouldn’t run either though personally

[narrow dagger]

im going in between outlaw and anarchist

[thorn prawn]

Neko Shogun

[narrow dagger]

1 day anarchist 1 day outlaw

[near vapor]

anarchist is pretty insane

[narrow dagger]

outlaw is too wholesome

[naive imp]

ive just been hearing repeats because 3/4 scum lobbie

[narrow dagger]

just a silly old gang member

[near vapor]

outlaw is a just a chill guy (as chill a cartel member can be)

[narrow dagger]

THAT MUTIES ASKIN FOR A KICKIN

[placid drum]

Fuck im stupid thats my bad it is only a +1 curio and i have nothing to blame but my dumb brain and dyslexia

[naive imp]

so are any of the voices actually australian

[rapid mango]

fem outlaw outright says "somebody help twitchy before i lose my temper"
she do be wholesome, and likes twitchy (the psykers)

[naive imp]

my god, the toughness lobbyists got them...

[amber sundial]

He couldn’t get photoshop to load :(

[naive imp]

they're right behind you right now arent they

[zenith pagoda]

Does vultures mark get stacks from needle pistol dot?

[naive imp]

DON'T LET THE TRUTH DIE OUT

[abstract condor]

What's the dump stat on shivs?

[thorn prawn]

Got me all excited that there might've been a secret glitched 2 wound curio

[bronze glade]

mob

[thorn prawn]

[placid drum]

Nah i own up for my silly mistakes at the very least sorry about that folks

sadge

[rapid mango]

i love the constant "kick his teeth in!"

[abstract condor]

Thanks

[zealous basin]

Mobility

[naive imp]

this is clearly a coded message

[placid drum]

Yes

[near vapor]

ok chill it out guys

honest mistakes is all

[naive imp]

if i decode it i can get the 2 wound curio and my wife will finally love me again

[abstract condor]

Which shiv mark is better?

[obsidian crown]

Someone should take notes

[daring lichen]

BURN THE WITCH

[zealous basin]

If it's not a dot weapon and it has defences or mobility as a stat it's dump stat is probably mobility or defences

[naive imp]

i aint mockin im i just find my own messages funnier than i should

[near vapor]

its more pference

[abstract condor]

Cool

[near vapor]

I like the mk3 better

[rapid mango]

same

[amber sundial]

Which ones mk3

[zealous basin]

The first one has better single target

[rapid mango]

pushattack to stab

[near vapor]

like both marks have identical push attacks and lights

[zealous basin]

The corkscrew one

[naive imp]

mk3 looks less stupid

[near vapor]

sweeping heavies

[daring lichen]

dude the push attack into 5 quick stabs go hard with crit builds

[narrow dagger]

ALL I HAVE IS 2 BROKEN PIPE

[rapid mango]

mk3 felt like it had better cleave, but that also could have just been me

[zealous basin]

I like the stabbing heavies more tbh

[naive imp]

okay so first step is to get a refund

[abstract condor]

What's better, the shivs or the OG knife?

[daring lichen]

you can get a stabbing heavy with push attack into heavy with the mk3's

[rapid mango]

same

[zealous basin]

Oh I didn't know that

[zenith fern]

The overhead heavy animation just looking like a toddler running lmao

[rapid mango]

someone please

[near vapor]

ngl

[zenith fern]

Fitting for scum

[rapid mango]

HAS to have that image

[zealous basin]

Also the stabs r similar to knife zipping on zealot

[near vapor]

push attack > heavy is faster

[rapid mango]

the overhead heavy chasing a sniper

[zenith fern]

Lmao

[rapid mango]

pls i beg, anybody

[zealous basin]

That weapon is so mobile

[near vapor]

than heavy > heavy single target (for the mk1 shiv)

[daring lichen]

push attack also gives access to 5 lights in a row that stab, making it really solid against mauler bodies and unyielding enemies

[zenith fern]

I actually gonna have to grab a clip of me doing it

And caption as London

Or a tourist asking for directions about to get stabbed

[manic wolf]

Level 4000 Ogryn made that a fuckin breeze ngl

Big man do big work

[narrow dagger]

holy scoreboard 2

[zealous basin]

Ogryn is so fun I didn't really touch him until I started blowing shit up

[naive imp]

40% base dr go brrr

[manic wolf]

Its not the class for me, but its giga-stong yeah

[odd jetty]

Does anyone know if reload speed affects the dual pistols? Speedload, stimm, perks whatever nothing seems to make them reload faster

[near vapor]

The Show must go on...

Praise Messelina and pass the ammo

[manic wolf]

Methalina*

[naive imp]

it is funny that i can kill crushers faster with vet shovel than ogryn shovel though

[narrow dagger]

hell yeah

[zealous basin]

I realized he's basically troll cannon Bardin at some point and it made me play him non-stop till scum released

[naive imp]

i choose to believe i was the first to name my scum saint methelina

[manic wolf]

The best Vet Shovel is the original one and I will die on this hill

[amber sundial]

All others are but drug induced hallucinations of you

[naive imp]

yes, of course, that makes sense

[naive imp]

only ever used the folding one

because funny crusher oneshots

i acknowledge the other one is probably better but im not a fan of instant use special actions

[manic wolf]

The original one has one of the most comprehensive and fun to play movesets of any weapon in the game. It is so well put together. Is it OP as shit? Fuck no, but it is exceptionally fun to play

Whats the threshold for +3 stam to actually be +3 again?

[novel oracle]

You dont need to die on that hill

Cuz its true

[amber sundial]

410 and above

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/based-sigma-ryan-gosling-ironic-gif-7777846084008282349

[manic wolf]

Fuck. The one int shop is 400 D:

[naive imp]

buy it anyway so you forget its fake

[manic wolf]

No, I like to live in the current reality, no matter how horrendous it might be

[amber sundial]

Mythical +4 stamina when

[thorn prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-together-smile-gif-20682410

[manic wolf]

In other news, I did the last mission with Boombringer an you know what? It actually put in work

[amber sundial]

boom bringer was just a “oh I forgot I had these” and just blasting the nearest elite when I was doing that penance

[naive imp]

once you find a 2 wound curio, only then can you start searching for a 4 stam

[trim wind]

people hate on the boom bringer a bit too much

[manic wolf]

I got all the grenade pickups in the mission pinged for me because it was just evaporating troublesome groups and bosses 😄

[amber sundial]

man too bad they silenced talen

[manic wolf]

Was well happy

[amber sundial]

My quest will be a dangerous one, but I will find it

[rapid mango]

you failed me so i went and found it myself

[limber cradle]

I think the issue with boom bringer is that it's perfectly serviceable in comparison to the god forsaken toxic floor nade which is wildly strong

[manic wolf]

Now thats a meme to become a classic

[high gull]

Brother was fucking TERRIFIED

[trim wind]

yea floor piss is a bit out of hand

[limber cradle]

We've been busy down here.

[manic wolf]

I dont think its out of hand, its still limited by pickups, an its only area denial at the end of the day, very good area denial, but area denial all the same

Its uhh... not very flexible

It does one thing really well, and thats about it

[chrome lava]

does sample collector not proc while stim effects are up? feel like i'm not getting any procs at all right now

[rapid mango]

but i also have this from earlier today so here

[manic wolf]

The last one was better 😄

[trim wind]

it hard stops anything that walks into it

[amber sundial]

It doesn’t start CD til stim effect ends (if you don’t get the effect from a stim crate)

[naive imp]

make boom bringer refund if you headshot

[chrome lava]

ah so after everything is dead

awesome

[manic wolf]

Honestly just let it have 5 charges without perk

[naive imp]

i think this is very fair

[manic wolf]

Then it immediately becomes S-tier

[rapid mango]

i just dont know what she was doing but she did get me

[naive imp]

celebrating early

they're giddy like that

[manic wolf]

I wish a creepy girl would come and net me irl

[amber sundial]

this is how you end up in a dumpster with no organs

but a wins a win

[manic wolf]

Wouldnt be the first time I ended up in a dumpster

[thorn prawn]

I wish scum blitz had modifier nodes

[manic wolf]

Also yes, that would be nice

[naive imp]

i miss em, even if its just a way to take one more point away

neither arbites nor scum have grenade upgrades

[manic wolf]

Arb kinda doesnt need them

[limber cradle]

Isn't it only vet

[manic wolf]

But Scum? Yeah Scum could benifit

[amber sundial]

Ogryn and psyker are the only ones with blitz nodes right?

[naive imp]

psyker and ogryn

[limber cradle]

Oh, thats what we mean

[high gull]

It technically does

[naive imp]

now some say they should just be part of the blitz by default

and to you, i say, go away

[manic wolf]

Oh, nice, I got the funny insignia and aquillas from the event

[flint granite]

how do you build tac axe on this freak

[amber sundial]

I can 100% see blackout getting a node that changed its recharge requirement to a timer but losing kills

if it were to ever get one

[manic wolf]

Headtaker/Brutal Momentum, Flak/Maniac

Let Hyperviolence do the work, which it absolutely will

[flint granite]

ty

[manic wolf]

TacAxe has gotta be top three strongest Scummer melee options

[naive imp]

whatre the other two

[flint granite]

if only theyd JUST BRING BACK THE SINGLE SKIN IT HAS

[last kelp]

the decay consumes

[manic wolf]

Rashad is probably non negotiable number 1

3? Idk, not tested Saw to any real degree, but the Shivs are very good

[manic wolf]

No, you will use the Branx skin and you will be happy about it

[analog hazel]

this enhanced penance is making me lose my actual mind I am making like 2 progress per mission

[flint granite]

I GOTTA USE MY EVENT BUCKS

[naive imp]

whats the taxe skin look like

[near vapor]

deadass

[flint granite]

black with skull ornamentation its sick

[near vapor]

the crowbar is what the folded shovels supposed to be

[amber sundial]

Bombers are genuinely your best friend

[flint granite]

enhanced my beloathed

[naive imp]

is enhanced the one with the stimm toughness regen or whatever

[analog hazel]

yuuup

[naive imp]

dont really enjoy crowbar much

[trim wind]

do it with supply crate

spam on team

[analog hazel]

the hard part is getting a bomber to stay alive for more than 0.3 seconds

[trim wind]

profit

[bronze glade]

except folded shovels (mk3) are actually good

[amber sundial]

Just play in the average pub lobby, nobody kills specials

[analog hazel]

dude I BEEN doing that

[limber cradle]

Mortis trials bomber waves

[worn portal]

so whats consensus on 'blessed stims'?

[manic wolf]

Jsut dont sweat the penance, like seriously, thats just one of those that will complete as you play

[amber sundial]

it’s certainly a choice, I haven’t had much issue with corruption dmg over just straight up dying

[manic wolf]

It really has no special condition to finishing it, you dont have to use a specific setup or nothin

[bronze glade]

i see no point to taking it

[worn portal]

ive been playing with randoms, but even with my 4 stacks, weve been eating a lot of poxbursters

[manic wolf]

Yeah, Blessed Stim is kinda just a dead node

[worn portal]

long lasting stim? It sucks that CD doesnt start until after

[manic wolf]

If it makes you feel better, the general concencus is that 'bursters are super fucked this patch

[analog hazel]

true

[amber sundial]

Long lasting stim is decent

[worn portal]

i feel like my build is kinda meme, but ive been going zarona, scattershot, manstopper, and full crit

with special shot, it sends almsot everything on their ass

[amber sundial]

if you want extra CDR on your ability or just longer dmg duration it’s nice

[manic wolf]

Huh, this is actually quite nice

[worn portal]

what does that do?

[tender marten]

hot take, im pretty sure bursters are working exactly as intended. i think the actual problem is that your lobby is going to have somewhere between one to four people who are all fairly likely to be running this talent node and this makes a fucking mess of the threat priority of the burster's AI and makes them seem insanely inconsistent

[manic wolf]

Its just a cosmetic for doing the event

[analog hazel]

this node is useles NOBODY is using ts

[amber sundial]

I never take this node