hivescum-class

[dense hollow]

they probably just never figured out how to fix it

[spice cloud]

I thoight it counted

[dreamy rover]

Same way as the rocket launcher doesn't count as range damage

[spice cloud]

Wat

[rare stirrup]

Tbh I think it's intentional

[manic wolf]

Gets ranged damage bonus' though, which is super weird

[tender forge]

I got 500 damage from somewhere on my launcher

[manic wolf]

Still need to try that with Lethal Proximity and Pocket Toxin tho

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, rocket launcher is in a weird place right now

[manic wolf]

Ima do that later

[steep gyro]

which is weird bc im pretty sure other explosion damaging sources count as ranged

[spice cloud]

Nah that aint design choices thats just the obese shrimp being the obese shrimp

[chrome cloud]

whats our go to melee weapon

[tender forge]

depends

[limber cradle]

Shiv is my favorite, personally

[manic wolf]

Build and personal choice dependent

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[tender forge]

my favorite is the cleaver

[chrome cloud]

are the new weapons good?

[limber cradle]

Ime yes

[dim moth]

dots don't and have never

oh rocket

[manic wolf]

Tbh, if you're on a melee build, you can run any option you like, Scum has the kit to make most, if not all of thier arsenal viable

[tender forge]

Isn't the base damage 6k?

for the rocket launcher

[steep gyro]

i legit just run dclaw for melee and its the funniest shit ever

[chrome cloud]

i assume the needle pistol is the only range option?

[steep gyro]

no

[chrome cloud]

lies!

[tender forge]

murder a spawn in under 10 seconds

[manic wolf]

No, again, nearly everything is viable

I wouldnt use a combat shotgun tho

[tender forge]

needler sucks on desperado

[manic wolf]

Even with reload speed buffs, it aint enough

[steep gyro]

if anything twin autos or iag are probably just about their most versatile ranged pick

[tender forge]

IAG is so much fun

[steep gyro]

"sucks" is an understatement

[tender forge]

desperado+rending stim

[steep gyro]

it doesnt even refresh duration unless projectile is what lands the kill

🥀

[limber cradle]

Needler feels like the perfect melee back up gun

[chrome cloud]

that gun might get a nerf. ran some auric missions while still leveling everything and that gun wrecked things

[manic wolf]

Thats exactly what it is

[tender forge]

mulches crushers in like 20 bullets

[limber cradle]

Its a goddamn shame you can't spin it tho

[rose flax]

I mean, it's dps is very weak

[steep gyro]

the needle gun?

[rose flax]

The dot is its real damage

[chrome cloud]

and? 3 shots or so kills everything aside from bosses

[steep gyro]

needle gun is fine, even for hordes

[chrome cloud]

blue setting and pop a few needles in lol

[steep gyro]

yerp

it'll mulch decently well

[rose flax]

I'm just saying other guns can do it better
Needle just is better for those who want to mainly play melee

[dreamy rover]

which mark though?

[steep gyro]

just go back to piss colour for anything with armor

[steep gyro]

whichever one deals more damage idk

[manic wolf]

Dont even need to do that tbh, just melee them coz melee spec 😄

[chrome cloud]

i guess i dont see it. i can shot 3 to 6 bullets and kill 5 things in from ranged vs other guns that cant

[dim moth]

the stub pistols are bugged and their best stat doesn't work

but they still murderize shit

[steep gyro]

finesse aye?

[chrome cloud]

the one that gives toughness?

[dim moth]

the autopistols are "What if Inferno Psyker was even stronger?"

[dim moth]

critical damage but yes

[rose flax]

The single stub pistol can literally insta kill a reaper if you headshot and crit

[manic wolf]

Yesnt

[chrome cloud]

IF

[tardy citrus]

bro it is beyond me why people HOLD ON to the ammo crates

[chrome cloud]

or 2 needles and move on

[manic wolf]

Purgatus Psyker skill has infinite cleave (which i will always argue shouldnt be a thing)

[tardy citrus]

you see 3 of us are yellow or red with horde incoming DROP THE DAMN CRATE YOU APE

[cedar cairn]

The autopistols give me less carpal tunnel while using

[manic wolf]

FullAuto mod, easy fix

[rose flax]

There's a blessing that gives crit Chance while aiming lol
Plus your playing the hive scum

[steep gyro]

oof

[dim moth]

or like "critical boost"

[cedar cairn]

I don't trust mods for online games

[steep gyro]

ya ik

[chrome cloud]

again "IF" you crit and "IF" you head shot. while i can just shoot 2 needles and blow him up and either hurt or kill things around it.

[dim moth]

it's a stat on guns that boosts crit chance and crit damage

[manic wolf]

They're gonna be absurdly strong when thats fixed

[supple torrent]

everyday I wake up to a new scum issue

[steep gyro]

idk you're already definitely playing with people who use em so i dont get the fuss chief

[cedar cairn]

Actually let me rephrase I don't the insanely overactive anticheat programs for online games

[steep gyro]

that is a completely different sentence

[night nymph]

why do trappers get to shoot through hordes 😭

[steep gyro]

cuz i said so

[placid drum]

Needle gun is great yes but it doesn't have the fun factor or style the dual firearms have

[night nymph]

why 🙁

[steep gyro]

[chrome cloud]

because fuck you ( us) thats why.

[cedar cairn]

Yeah I said that badly mb

[steep gyro]

felt like it

[night nymph]

find the emperor

[worn canopy]

the defensive stimm node like the tank need some rework

so max out toughness regen are work on cohersioncy regen?

[sturdy marsh]

What's the best blessings y'all have found for shivs? I do so much worse with them than other weapons for some reason

[trim wind]

Uncanny riposte/precog

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah that

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah that's what I've been using. Just a skill issue I guess

[shadow hamlet]

Same as your standard armor piercing weapons blessings

[shadow hamlet]

What are the buffs?

[sturdy marsh]

Carapace/flak?

[thorny ginkgo]

replace cara

[hazy vector]

What blessings for quick shooting revolver?

[shadow hamlet]

I use flak and maniac on all of my range weapons unless they're something unique

[hazy vector]

BLESSINGS

[shadow hamlet]

Oh mb

I'm drunk and high

[sturdy marsh]

Any recommendations? Just maniac?

[shadow hamlet]

And dumb

[thorny ginkgo]

maniac or unyielding

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks

[shadow hamlet]

I made my revolvers so long ago that I can't remember let me check real quick

[shadow hamlet]

I use Trickshooter and Sustained Fire

[manic wolf]

This for Desperado?

[shadow hamlet]

Oh yeah is terrifying barrage worth running on the dual machine guns?

It seems like it'd be good since it'd keep mob enemies from hitting you

[trim wind]

Never on any weapon

[dim moth]

melee enemies are immune to suppression

[shadow hamlet]

Oh yeah I forgot about that part

Would've been cool if it made a shitty perk useful

[fierce python]

where do i find a good bossmelter build

[trim wind]

chem toxin

[empty bear]

question about enchanced penance

[fierce python]

my iq is like 12

[empty bear]

how do you achieve it

lol

[trim wind]

bazooka will chunk em if you have grenades

[thorny ginkgo]

FEIN FEIN FEIN FEIN

[trim wind]

get the tougness regain nodes in stimm lab, run supply crate spam on team

[empty bear]

tysm

[ocean fiber]

Toughness stimm with the instant 25% toughness back node, play on a lower difficulty and let yourself get hit occasionally to refill

That’s what I did and I got it in like 2 hours

[fierce python]

oh also is blessed stimms functional? it doesnt seem to do anything for me maybe im dum

[trim wind]

crate method gets it done in like 2-3 games

[ocean fiber]

Yeah well if you’re not throwing matches and playing intentionally bad builds to get penances done you’re doing it wrong

[trim wind]

i mean if you wanna punish yourself sure

[ocean fiber]

They’re called “penances” for a reason bro

[digital drift]

having to download a mod because devs made it so i have to move my mouse slightly and click again to see if its grims or scripts in a mission 😐

[manic wolf]

What is this?

[shadow hamlet]

It seems that basically everything is immune to suppression

[manic wolf]

Not in here mucka

[shadow hamlet]

It doesn't work on any specialists or the plasma gunners

[limber cradle]

I'm convinced mucka is shorthand for motherfucka

[trim wind]

the autopistols will also supress the fuck out of everything anyway

[manic wolf]

Its not

[shadow hamlet]

Why is this even a blessing?

[cedar cairn]

That sounds 40k enough

[ebon talon]

Am I the only one having trouble with poxbursters for this class?

[digital drift]

im still an Arbi main until i finish all the Scum penances and decide whether im changing or not

[ebon talon]

I shove them and they still somehow hit me

[manic wolf]

Disgusting. Undercover pig

[limber cradle]

You can tell me it means something else but I'm gonna keep hearing it as that

[shadow hamlet]

I have but it's mostly been an issue of not swapping to my melee fast enough

[ocean fiber]

Everyone hats poxbursters more than usual this patch I think their ai may be slightly bugged

[manic wolf]

Its a slang term for "worker" or "labourer" lule

[ocean fiber]

And their radius may have been increased ever so slightly but I need to test that myself

[mental hollow]

Yeah I was wondering if their blast radius got bigger or something

[sturdy marsh]

I need my scum to go scrap some air conditioners for diamantine

[placid drum]

They got funky ai bugs and the unstoppable node might not also be helping

[ebon talon]

Auspex scanner appears bugged on my end as well

[manic wolf]

Instructions unclear, gonna go scrap Hadron

[ebon talon]

Signals don't flash when you are heading in the direction of a signal

[shadow hamlet]

Did anyone else think that levelling this class up was kind of a slog?

[placid drum]

I wish I had the clip of the burster doing a 360 before jumping at me

[shadow hamlet]

I'm having a lot of fun now that I have a full build

But before I hit my keystone it was kinda shit

[sturdy marsh]

I'm sure she has plenty of copper. I mean diamante

[manic wolf]

Honestly not really

[modest patio]

The real question.. What're your favorite backgrounds for the scum

[placid drum]

Yea i did quick play added 10% exp to my curios when I could

Made leveling more faster

[ocean fiber]

I think it was tougher than normal because of lack of knowledge pertaining to what was good on the class day 1 and also the fact that literally everyone was scumming it so everyone was way glassier than usual

Knowing how to play it now would make levelling again so much easier

[hazy vector]

yES

[subtle fern]

i played desperado all the way to 30, then i tried the other stuff

[hazy vector]

[random shuttle]

Nope. Done in 2 days, smooth as buttah

[dim moth]

yeah

and of the enemies that CAN be suppressed

[undone falcon]

Pretty smooth, the only real slog was teammates coming to grips with a fragile class.

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah this was probably it tbh

[dim moth]

Stalkers and Reapers are effectively immune to it outside of weapons with comically high suppression

which leaves literally just Shooters and Gunners

[random shuttle]

Don't forget Groaners!

[shadow hamlet]

But I think Arbites was much easier for me

Guess it's just all of the new mechanics with this class

[tawdry tusk]

does using stim supply give stack of chemical dependency?

[undone falcon]

No

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054469893094912040/1219795235488661644/RDT_20240317_2206286612888269186543251.gif

[tawdry tusk]

why the fuck...

alright

[ocean fiber]

That and some of the talents are bugged so people were playing with unintentionally shafted builds

[hazy vector]

How scoreboard is not updated yet

[random shuttle]

Not only ti doesn't, but if you have a stack of Dependency it takes it away and installs latest Ubisoft game on your PC.

As punishment.

[shadow hamlet]

Ah

Any idea what ones?

[undone falcon]

Could be a bug or intended. Waiting on FS for that

[winter galleon]

thers a community fix, the guy who made it doesnt play anymore

[tawdry tusk]

This class is literally half cooked wtf

This doesn't work, that is bugged

[random shuttle]

LOL\

Dood

[tawdry tusk]

ObeseFish as per usual

[random shuttle]

for FS standards?

[urban island]

Right??? Absolutely pointless

[random shuttle]

This class is almost perfectly delivered XD

[dim moth]

oh my goodness gracious

[winter galleon]

and ya everyone saying class needs buffs but really fixing the bugs and removing some of the jank would prob go a long ways without any actual numbers tuning directly

[random shuttle]

Veteran on first rework getting no keystones

[ocean fiber]

I know hypercritical doesn’t work correctly rn, chemical dependency doesn’t work with stimm supply, blinders don’t regen on dot kills, these are the few that I know of but I’m pretty sure a few more are not working as intended

[dense hollow]

everyone has atleast something that is still broken to this day i think

[tawdry tusk]

I dont remember troubles with Arbi tho

This is just.. pathetic

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah that's annoying

[random shuttle]

You don't? XD

[undone falcon]

Coming from being the undisputed best class pre-talent trees to the lowest of lows.

[random shuttle]

infinite bleed explosion dog

[tawdry tusk]

Oh that

[dense hollow]

the broken keystone for 1 month

[random shuttle]

or that

[dim moth]

dog ai was bugged, dog was bugged to cause bleed stacks on the way to enemies

EO didn't work

infinite bleed dog

[placid drum]

The class itself is honestly decent and fun aside from some jank and bugs that need squishing

[dim moth]

damage over time benefitting from dog damage buffs

[manic wolf]

Probably Speedloader and the damage blessing of your choosing, but I'll warn you, its clunky as fuck to play on Desperado. Reload simulator

[tawdry tusk]

Alright, then it's FS standart then

[random shuttle]

Seriously for FS, Scummy is almost polished

[shadow hamlet]

I actually noticed that hyper critical seemed useless when I was testing it out but I figured it was just an issue of the weapons I was using

[random shuttle]

Most things works as written!

amazing

[hazy vector]

that's deseprado in general

also i said specifically that quickloading revolver

[manic wolf]

Yes. You still want Speedloader.

[hazy vector]

what bugs

[hazy vector]

probably going to feel weird without rending on crits

[warped grove]

Is the Chemical Dependency penance bugged?

[placid drum]

Some are pinned im pretty sure here

[manic wolf]

Just as well you get Rending from a Desperado sub-node then aint it

[plush spade]

Nope, just doesnt benefit from stimm supply.

Because youre technically not USING the stimm

[shadow hamlet]

Is there a way to make reloading less of a hassle when I'm running Desperado?

Would it be better to just use speedloader?

[flint granite]

Speedload

Simms

[shadow hamlet]

Damn

[hazy vector]

15% is nothing

[plush spade]

yeah just grab speedload + stimms

[dense hollow]

miss less shots/speedload

[placid drum]

Speedload or take some nodes in the stimm lab

[shadow hamlet]

I already have the speed tree with the stimms

[rotund agate]

btw, am I the only one who picked Iron Riders when making an Anrachist-personality Hivescum, just because red looked cool (and also so that I can aptly say that THE PAIN TRAIN NEVER STOPS!!)?

[plush spade]

i picked anarchist water cartel

[sturdy marsh]

Is the toughness tree in the stim lab not worth taking?

[dense hollow]

15% rending and 15% ranged damage

[plush spade]

because i really like their urple

[dim moth]

bounty hunter water cartel

I love my boys in purple

[manic wolf]

Well you asked. I've tried it, and even with Speedloader it is absurdly irritating to be reloading 5/6 shots every second or two.

[placid drum]

Then speedloader is your next step up for reload speed

[plush spade]

Its not bad really, maxxed toughness tree lets you tank some stupidly huge amounts of damage

[nova tangle]

what ranged weapon have yall been having the most fun with for higher difficultys?

[hazy vector]

how it is different from smg

[dim moth]

double barrel xd

[nova tangle]

no

[manic wolf]

Bruh because it has 5 shots in it. 6 with a perk.

[plush spade]

Double barrel, dual autos

[dim moth]

wh-

[dense hollow]

db fans rise up..

[hallow creek]

its all the little anti synergy stuff in this character that is just straight up FRUSTRAING to interact with

[sturdy marsh]

Does anyone have a stimm supply build I could try out?

[plush spade]

stimm supply + adrenaline if you wanna use saw

[placid drum]

Id try a double barrel but all mine been rolling like garbo

[plush spade]

just those two should be enough for anything

[dim moth]

I run mine like this

with shivs

[hazy vector]

Actually great gun for desperado

[dim moth]

unga bunga light spam into everything

damage over time will kill them

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks

[dim moth]

Quick & Deadly, and Battering Momentum are the least important talents if you want to take upgrades to the keystone or smth

[sturdy marsh]

I don't see many people use chem dependency, is there a reason?

[dim moth]

only good for Desperado specifically

and kind of annoyin to upkeep

[sturdy marsh]

Youd figure it'd be good for the stimm build. Weird

[eager reef]

timers are a funny thing

[dim moth]

you'd think but

[zealous nimbus]

Does my stim need to be off cool down for the stim supply ability to apply its effect or will it trigger even on cool down?

[dense hollow]

people dont run dependency on stimm box because it doesn't work

[hallow creek]

I use it. bonesaw + needler, 2xstam 1xtough

?

[radiant cosmos]

Currently stimm box doesnt count as using a stimm because FS programming

[rose flax]

What gun has the best horde clear?

[rotund agate]

I myself use zarona revolver with reload speed perk (because I want more crits via Crucian and having passive reload speed more reliably than Speedload blessing is easier for me to use) as a sidearm for my axe meleescum build, but while it is fun, I do sometimes think about using the ammo share aura instead of the melee damage just so I can get more revolver ammo sustain (I can't afford pickpocket)

[thorny ginkgo]

for shivs, uncanny and riposte or precog

[sturdy linden]

do the cleave talents actually benefit the shivs?

[sturdy marsh]

Intentionally?

[dim moth]

slashy shivs yes

higher cleave and faster lights

[radiant cosmos]

Db shotgun but oy behind barns

[sturdy linden]

not the corkscrew ones??

[radiant cosmos]

No its a bug

[dim moth]

yeah

[sturdy linden]

I thought those were garbage

[placid drum]

I feel like they need to fix that first honestly out of most of the bugs. Along with the 360 buggy burster ai

[dim moth]

for a melee build they sure are

but this is a toxin build you see

[manic wolf]

Should benifit those too, they still have decent cleave for what they are

[rose flax]

Is man stopper and scatter shot still really good?

[dim moth]

kill crushers by dropping a fart bomb under their feet

an chucking a piece of glass at them

[dim moth]

I do Both Barrel+Deathspitter on mine

[hallow creek]

so shivs but not bonesaw on a toxin build?

[radiant cosmos]

I think so but I only use it on WS vet who doesnt need to reload

[dense hollow]

you can run these but you pump out a lot more with both barrels and deathspitter

[dim moth]

yeah shivs have nicer mobility

[manic wolf]

Hasnt been S tier since the introduction of Havoc as armour counts went up across the board

[dim moth]

and Ironically Flesh Tearer makes them feel a lot better DoT wise

[manic wolf]

Its still decent, and fun, but its not BiS anylonger

[radiant cosmos]

Wait how, in psykanium they cant cleave carapace

[hallow creek]

smh call yourself toxin but dont use bonesaw

[rose flax]

Slashy skivs feel the same as kerlilian dual daggers, even doesn't have that weird delay between light 1 and 2 corkscrews have
Push attack + heavy is very strong too

[grizzled mulch]

Anybody made a straight edge hive scum build yet?

[placid drum]

Im gonna try crowbar and db on my desperado scum later today

[hazy vector]

Stupidity or wanting to experiment

[cosmic edge]

should I go carapce + unyielding or flak + carapace for the shiv?

[hazy vector]

chem dependancy the best keystone

and they guy who asnwered you before is wrong

[rose flax]

Slashy skivs are also really good for ragers with its heavy 1

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks, whenever the fix the bug I'll try this out

[hazy vector]

Do chem dependancy with melee or ranged bild

It is free + 20% crit, 20% toughness reduction and 40% cdr

CONSTANT

[hallow creek]

so is the CDR not working on the active CD of the medpack?

[random shuttle]

The secret to Hive Scum power is picking Ogryn Taunt and Vet Weapon Specialist

[hazy vector]

which is probably the strongest keystone in the entire game

[mighty belfry]

stimm supply is bugged with dependency specifically

that's why some people aren't using it

[rose flax]

So it never got nerfed then, since this video?
https://youtu.be/24v8ly9JU2k?si=ZtnAYIlzqiJZW_NT

[sturdy linden]

I think 4-stack is a little bit bait, harder to actually maintain

agree otherwise

[manic wolf]

Not directly, no, but passively because armour counts went up

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks I'll def try it

[placid drum]

I should honestly play ogyrn for a bit today. Big fella is my main after all

Taunt and watch the scum get wild on chems

[manic wolf]

I think Manstopper was changed slightly just before the DB was released, or mightve even been the same patch, but at one time it was actually infinite cleave, now its just a shit-ton of cleave

[dim moth]

no it's still definitely infinite

[sturdy marsh]

Is the best way to only take 1 of the stim trees so you can get more than 1 stack before it wears off?

[dim moth]

just can't cleave carapace

[hallow creek]

so is the CDR of dependency not working on the active CD of the medpack?

[hazy vector]

No, it is easy as long as you don't make your chem too high cd

[mighty belfry]

It's infinite, but carapace overrides cleave mechanic completely.

[hazy vector]

well don't have to use it with supply

[hazy vector]

yes

[rose flax]

Thanks for answering

[mighty belfry]

ya but ya said they were wrong

they aren't. it is bugged.

[manic wolf]

Ahh ok, still, I remember discussing with someone a while back that it did change in some capacity, though maybe that was just for the rankings with mastery gubbins

[thorny ginkgo]

how does enhanced blitz affect desperado on maelstrom?

[mighty belfry]

also

Desperado builds really like Vulture's Mark.

[placid drum]

Yea

Its nuts

[mighty belfry]

But it's a very specific synergy with that ability. Otherwise, Chem Dependency is usually the best.

[hazy vector]

He is worng in saying "only good for desperado"

when it is way better for melee

[placid drum]

Mmhmmm I run frenzy on my melee rampage scum for that berserker feeling

[manic wolf]

Yw, but its hard to choose it now over power blessings as they do help you into all targets. Manstopper is still super fun tho

[mighty belfry]

It... Doesn't? All that does is give you more nades (or rockets in this case).

[thorny ginkgo]

oh shit i meant that lmaoo

[rose flax]

So what would be the best horde clear blessings then now?

[bronze glade]

i don't think so tbh

adren is way too important for melee

and rampage has a much shorter cd

[dense hollow]

you really dont need manstopper to clear hordes

[dense hollow]

you almost never even reach the cleave cap shooting hordes in aurics

[manic wolf]

Deathspitter/FullBore is probably the strongest setup now

[sturdy marsh]

Have y'all done mortis trials with scum? I saw a free rocket on elite/specialist kill. I haven't seen the other scum unique ones yet

[mighty belfry]

oh i thought you were talking about the one that answered more immediately. I didn't see anyone mention that being only good for desperado.

[dense hollow]

fullbore bad

every pellet has to hit the same enemy to get the strength buff

[bronze glade]

wa

[manic wolf]

For horde? Sure, but if you're gonna be dumpstering Reapers an what not, kinda gud

[bronze glade]

it's so easy to proc

[mighty belfry]

Adrenaline's good but I honestly do think Rampage builds generally like Chem Dependency more

[hazy vector]

Goddamit, game crashed mid session

some mod still crashes it

probably scoreboard

[bronze glade]

eh i don't think so

rampage cd is so short

[manic wolf]

Honourable mention to Both Barrels ofc, thats pretty neat

[bronze glade]

what do you even need dependency for

[mighty belfry]

Solely because of Rampage shout actually being really strong.

[wind crane]

how does hive scum perform in havoc 40? has anyone here tried?

(im new to the game)

[mighty belfry]

And on some builds, 15% crit chance is really good.

[hazy vector]

and? There is also crit and toughness dr

[bronze glade]

so does adren

crit's what, 15%

[sturdy marsh]

I bet infantry auto and brauto is good on a desperado build.

[bronze glade]

doesn't offset the benefits of adren

[placid drum]

Ive had it save me from a few dog pounces

[scenic ravine]

maybe i wrong but it's useless when i take stimm supply with chemical depedency or i don't understand something?

[mighty belfry]

Must pick for that ability tbh

[dense hollow]

fullbore might not be bad on a non despy build but you wanna have atleast both barrels on otherwise because shooting double blasts nearly twice as often is cooler and deathspitter is more strength than fullbore

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings are y'all using for the the needle? None of them really stick out

[manic wolf]

Stripped Down/Hotshot

[random shuttle]

Stripped Down only one that matters tbh

[placid drum]

Yea it really is gives you enough free time when it ends to dip out of a horde if need be

[manic wolf]

Nah, Hotshot is actually a pretty sizable DPS multiplier because you can get the blue mode spread needles into more dudes

[dense hollow]

run and gun for less spread in hip fire is not nothing too

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stove-cooking-tendies-snapsauce-gif-15647429

[hazy vector]

ok it seems game crashes on picking up ammo

[warped dagger]

I wish FS to add node to chemist tree when you can instantly replenish stim by picking up usual stim

[hazy vector]

20

If you people suggest not taking 4-th stack of chem dependancy you are fuckn insane

[bronze glade]

yeah if you take 4 stacks, which is of dubious usefulness

[manic wolf]

I am indeed cooking with that. People be sleeping on that blessing for needler

[drifting heron]

Taking 4 stacks highly limits the usefulness of your stim

[bronze glade]

constantly popping stimms in situations where you don't need it

just to get 5% extra crit chance and cdr 🙂‍↕️

[sturdy marsh]

I just realized scum doesn't have the bolt rifle. That's kinda lame

[drifting heron]

2/3 abilities also can't use cdr half the time

[manic wolf]

Gets Bolt Pistol tho

[random shuttle]

Bro.

[mighty belfry]

nah it's not that good

3 stacks is enough

[manic wolf]

Still wanna try Lethal Prox' with Pocket Toxin on Big Boomer

[random shuttle]

Bolter + Desperado free ammo

would be unhinged 😄

[bronze glade]

ur fuckn insane

[mighty belfry]

true

[sturdy marsh]

That's why I was looking for it lol. I understand why they don't

[mighty belfry]

it would be good if it didn't affect the cooldown so significantly though

[sturdy marsh]

Damage is the ideal dump for needle right?

[mighty belfry]

it makes the buff really awkward to upkeep

[bronze glade]

anything but ammo/mob

[warped dagger]

What does explosive toxin in needle gun do exactly?

[manic wolf]

Not to mention Hadron would have a meltdown if a holy Bolter ended up in the hands of Scum. Arbities would probably shoot them too

[bronze glade]

light stagger

[sturdy marsh]

Ok thanks. I have one stability dump and one damage dump. Didn't know if it mattered too much

[mighty belfry]

but even then it's debatable because that's a whole subnode for an extra stack of sometihng that isn't that impactful compared to other nodes that scum has

[warped dagger]

Doesnt it spread on explosion?

[bronze glade]

no

[warped dagger]

Ugh

[bronze glade]

the one that spreads, Mk II

does not have an explosion

[manic wolf]

The spread and explosion needle effects are on differting marks of the weapon

[bronze glade]

yup

[warped dagger]

Wait there are different marks?

[tight musk]

I got 2 with 60 stability, one is a roll from shop and the other is a random drop.

[cedar meteor]

I haven't played them much, is there a way to give the stim to others?

[mighty belfry]

No.

[drifting heron]

Right side ability

[bronze glade]

i dumped stab yeah

[mighty belfry]

Other than stimm supply

[limber cradle]

I think my needle is stopping power dump

[cedar meteor]

Oh yeah, the medicae one. I will say the rocket launcher is fun.

[rose flax]

Yes, because it only affects initial damage

[nova tangle]

are dual autos and shivs both mobility dump?

[tight musk]

Finally, I can once again use good buffs on my stimm.

[random shuttle]

Oh right...

I must do this one

[frigid thorn]

Jittery isn't broken, is it?

isn't it basically just Hypercritical that's broken?

[mighty belfry]

hate this penance

[rose flax]

Huh? Mark 2 is completely worse based on this
Aoe attack isn't even better

[sturdy marsh]

Last question, needle perks?

[random shuttle]

Carapace+Unyielding 😄

[mighty belfry]

i'll be real

i run crit chance + reload speed

[random shuttle]

also fair tbh

[mighty belfry]

because i usually take it out for quick pot shots and go back to my melee

[sturdy marsh]

I'll try em both

[nova tangle]

sprint effeciency unyielding lmao

[rose flax]

Why reload speed though? Do you use Run and gun?

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[rose flax]

Oh, that makes more sense

[mighty belfry]

Reload speed + desperado

[bronze glade]

i guess you can horde clear with it better

[rose flax]

It's reload speed is only an issue when close to enemies so run and gun benefits even more too

[bronze glade]

and it does allow spreading toxin

which can proc some of your talents

[rose flax]

How?

[bronze glade]

from tox spreading

[mighty belfry]

yeah and I'm extremely aggressive with the build I run it on

[bronze glade]

with special

[rose flax]

The other mark already does that

[mighty belfry]

Nice to take pot shots on priority targets and just let the toxin do its thing while you're rampaging

[scenic ravine]

What blessings and perks i should use on autopistols and dual stubs

[bronze glade]

the other mark doesn't spread tox to nearby enemies on alt fire

[zenith pagoda]

The reload speed of needle pistol is already great, take crit chance instead

[mighty belfry]

...

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message >:O

[trim wind]

pf blaze away for autos, stubs run n gun speedload

[limber cradle]

I kinda feel like you can run basically whatever tf you want on needle pistol

[rose flax]

You mean they don't need to die to spread?

[tight musk]

John Scum is ready to cook some stimms.

[mighty belfry]

i run crit and reload speed

[bronze glade]

they still need to die

[mighty belfry]

nothing else feels like it really does anything

[bronze glade]

but mk6's on-death effect is just an explosion

doesn't spread tox

mk2 does spread tox on death

[mighty belfry]

even the efficiency perks since, hive scum needs like no help with stamina lol

[manic wolf]

They really need to buff the explosion mode for needle pistol. Make it do the damage of the total HP of the enemy that pops by it or something

[limber cradle]

Gun simply works, no anything else required

[mighty belfry]

except maybe blocking

[manic wolf]

In most cases thats not gonna be more than 1000, an even that'd be rare

[rose flax]

Wait huh? I could have sworn I was using Mark 6 not mark 2

[mighty belfry]

It's my favorite ranged weapon by far honestly

[obsidian oasis]

I hate this class 😭 (I'm bad at dodging)

[limber cradle]

My favorite is stubs tbh, most stylish.

[rose flax]

So what does it do?

[mighty belfry]

Simple, effective if not kinda busted at what it's meant for when you get used to it and I like feeling like an assassin and it really fits that vibe.

[dense sphinx]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but how does the talent "Maxed out Chems" work if the Stim has a CD of 75s?

[teal nova]

I love this class (I strafe and dodge out of habit)

[rose flax]

O I'm blind lol

[frigid thorn]

Crit chance works with the toxin pistol?

[dense hollow]

it doesn't, take less points in your stim tree

[hallow creek]

my guy had a litte accident on the way to the morning star lul

[mighty belfry]

Yes. You get more stacks on crit.

[dense hollow]

or hope you get enough kills with sample collector

[dense sphinx]

Ooooooh. I didnt noticed that the CD increases thanks

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[rose flax]

Your supposed to use it with sample collector

[mighty belfry]

The one issue I've had is being overzealous with dodge sliding in this game since it takes two dodge charges

This class fucking loves dodge sliding

It was designed for me.

[dense hollow]

yeah but 75s is super uncomfy with sample collector since your stim'll last 15 seconds and then once it starts the actual downtime then you can get kills and it'll reduce the cooldown

[rose flax]

Rude

[tight musk]

You can use less stuff on your stimm to have shorter cooldown, or just use sample collector talent and restore your stimm faster through kills.

[spark gyro]

I unmapped crouch from control to stop sliding

[mighty belfry]

Wait, you had crouch mapped to control?

[supple torrent]

does threat interact with hordes in a similar way to stealh?

[teal nova]

Joke's on you I never slide

[spark gyro]

Aye

[teal nova]

Just don't like pressing Ctrl

[spark gyro]

Now it's alt

[supple torrent]

Like do they switch targets and such?

[mighty belfry]

I use C tbh

[spark gyro]

Sociopathy, but alas

[manic wolf]

Bind it to your mouse instead, problem solved

[rose flax]

No idea, but I don't think anyone knows but dodge crouching adds a stack of threat for some reason, nothing else does it either

[mighty belfry]

I bind my dodge to mouse 4 lol

[tight musk]

C to crouch and cslide, space to sdodge and ctrl to cjump.

[spark gyro]

Bind attack to wheel click so you can crouch with LMB

[frigid thorn]

I had to double take to remember it was you because you changed your avatar lmao

[mighty belfry]

Feels really comfy.

[arctic imp]

Is maxed out chems not working?

[mighty belfry]

yuh

[manic wolf]

Still got mine on space, but i have crouch on mouse4

[spark gyro]

My dodge is space alongside jump

[hazy vector]

You are all animals

[frigid thorn]

crit chance + reload speed seems good? I was running unyielding and carapace lol

[manic wolf]

Jump should be alt and I will die on this hill

[arctic imp]

I can’t get it to go to 4 stacks it will only refill the 3rd

[teal nova]

No thanks sliding still looks goofy ahh to me

I'd rather not take the aura loss

[hazy vector]

be sure to take stim cdr on kills

[drifting heron]

I'm actually on this one now

[supple torrent]

working fine for me

[drifting heron]

Not as bad as you think

[mighty belfry]

Thing about the needle pistol is that you're usually waiting for the DoT to do the job. You'll usually switch to melee while that's happening, meaning whatever damage perks you take on needle pistol are null since they won't be active while your melee is out.

[drifting heron]

Makes the game way easier

[manic wolf]

You're only gaining aura by sliding through a rager clowncar to flank them from behind

[frigid thorn]

Ohhhhhh, I had no idea the damage perks went away

[arctic imp]

No it’s not that my stim isn’t ready in time, it just won’t go to 4 stacks. It will only refill the 3rd

[frigid thorn]

thank yo ufor telling me lmao

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it always works that way.

[frigid thorn]

ok

What did you take for the blessings?

[muted python]

alt is where the reload button goes so that i can use q and e for more precise swapping between weapons and r for interact

[hazy vector]

Then you did not take it lol

[arctic imp]

But it says it’s on

[mighty belfry]

Run n' Gun and Desperado.

[arctic imp]

Unless it’s a visual bug

[teal nova]

Sliding through them would place my head at the perfect dick-sucking height, which is too tempting for me 😔

[hazy vector]

could be numeric ui bug?

[zenith pagoda]

Not if you're using melee build

[mighty belfry]

I am extremely aggressive on my main build I run needle pistol on.

[arctic imp]

I’m on Xbox I don’t have mods

[mighty belfry]

That's how I run it. And it works for me.

[hazy vector]

this man b elongs in psychic ward

[frigid thorn]

me too

i just use it to put poison on lol

[arctic imp]

you should always be aggressive with scum, it’s how you keep your toughness

[frigid thorn]

I love this class because it fits me being super aggressive all the time

[zenith pagoda]

Point blank is great

[teal nova]

Space is jump. Alt is dodge. Q is quick weapon swap. E is interact.

[hazy vector]

i wish crits added more stats for needle

[manic wolf]

Yous need to run the Chainsword on Rampage. Legit so much fun

[arctic imp]

So has it visually gone to 4 stacks for you? Because I’m not sure what’s going on

[hazy vector]

how do you deal with carapce though

[manic wolf]

Rev the saw and watch them die because Rampage

[hazy vector]

yes, but did not use numeric ui with it

[undone falcon]

Pump those dwarven legs in the other direction

[mighty belfry]

Point blank is nice, but 3.5s is noticeably shorter than desperado's 6s

[manic wolf]

Or alternatively, if its not up, Needle gun

[arctic imp]

That’s so weird. I’ll try again I guess

[mighty belfry]

It really isn't hard to switch to needle pistol and get a dodge pretty immediately when you switch with how stupid this classe's dodges are.

[dim moth]

should get a 4 stack wtih stimm supply and have all 4 dodge stimms

since stimm supply stacks

dodge and clip through a wall from sheer velocity type shit

[arctic imp]

🫠it stacks?

[fervent compass]

anybody have success witht he bonesaw in aurics yet? i cant figure out how to build this thing

[dim moth]

yeah multiple stimm supply buffs stack

[fervent compass]

it just feels so meh

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/JvD0Wlm

[hazy vector]

I think it is a supplement to ranged builds, that's it

[limber cradle]

I love when you get multiple attack speed stimms stacked and stop having animations lmfao

[arctic imp]

The second I lose a lot of stamina it sucks. Because I have the node that gives attk speed for stamina. It sucks with low attack speed and its lock on attack can make fighting maniacs annoying but its pretty solid

[mighty belfry]

Decimator and Shock and Awe are my picks tbh

You really want more cleave

[fervent compass]

thats about what i figured so far but even on a desperado with vultures mark i still feel like it falls short of other weapons

[rotund agate]

I have noticed that crowbar heavies struggle against multiple crushers as a melee build, so I will be lightspamming the single target attacks with it from now on...

[arctic imp]

this a thousand percent. Any other bonesaw sucked without these blessings

[oak bramble]

whats the difference between the needle pistol marks?

[undone falcon]

This is the way

[arctic imp]

Oh my god

It’s too bad the stim pack has so many problems, because that’s a great neat stackable

[oak bramble]

cool thanks

[dim moth]

tbh it's not an awful ability

[mighty belfry]

Can Opener helps a lot with light spam

[dim moth]

it shaves 15 seconds off your stimm cooldown from using it instead of your stimm

and 7 tox stacks from it exploding is a LOT of damage

[dim moth]

the chem greandes that instagib everything?

6 tox stacks

[arctic imp]

No I think it’s great but it does have problems the other abilities don’t have. Also the bug that makes it not give stacks of dependency

[muted python]

maybe, it's probably not efficient to have my swaps on 2 keys instead of 1 but i just like having it that way, and i think jumping isn't frequent enough for me to warrant putting it on alt

[mighty belfry]

I feel like Stimm Supply really likes when you have a shorter cooldown on your stimm

[muted python]

i'd say it's worked for the past 3 years well

[mighty belfry]

Which, is kinda awkward.

[dim moth]

though come to think of it if I had dependency on my tox build

I could have 100% crit chance just naturally

because i normally have 82% crit on tox build currently

[arctic imp]

Seeeeeee

[bronze glade]

what weapon? 🤔

[arctic imp]

But dependency silly with stim pack right now

[dim moth]

shivs

[mighty belfry]

Probably shivs

[dim moth]

riposte+flesh tearer

[bronze glade]

no uncanny? 😱

[dim moth]

no uncanny

kill crushers with tox spam

[mighty belfry]

I run riposte uncanny. Shivs attack so damn fast that I barely feel the need to have bleed on them tbh

[bronze glade]

maybe i'll try riposte

[mighty belfry]

I know it guarantees kills with bleed on some enemies but I would want to try and specifically get melee kills more often since the tree synergizes with that instead of DoT kills better

[dim moth]

dreg ragers lmao

[arctic imp]

where are you getting all that crit chance? 20 from 4 stacks dependency, 5 from the aura, 10 base. That’s only 35.

[bronze glade]

dodge talent and riposte for another 40 ig

[mighty belfry]

Shivs have innate crit bonus like knife

[hazy vector]

i start to think shiv s are better than combat knife

[bronze glade]

and yeah innate class/weapon bonus

[mighty belfry]

I know some people are using knife because it has the better uncanny but

I genuinely don't see it doing that much because shivs just have a significantly higher volume of attacks

[hazy vector]

and better cleave

[mighty belfry]

Meaning they also work a lot better with coated weapon too

[hazy vector]

combat knife is a bit better heavy single target damage

but just marginally

[arctic imp]

Yeah but how much is that? 5 percent?

[bronze glade]

yeah i've coem around to shivs

[mighty belfry]

Believe it's 15%

[dim moth]

10% base crit, 12.5% base shiv crit bonus, 20% Float Like a Butterfly, 20% Riposte, 15% Vultoprene stimm, 5% crit aura

[mighty belfry]

oh

I was close.

[arctic imp]

I figured but he said innate, that’s not innate if you have to dodge

[arctic imp]

Oooooo that’s nice

[mighty belfry]

Knife and shivs now are the only weapons that do that

[dim moth]

If I had 4 stack dependency I could hit 100% crit chance

[mighty belfry]

Which make sense, given they don't have the greatest base damage

[dim moth]

but realistically just 3 stack dependency would be fine at 97.5

[hazy vector]

crit aura better than 15% damage?

[dim moth]

well I'm not doing damage with the actual melee attacks

[dense hollow]

if it's not 100% it's 50%.. just kidding 97.5% is good enough lol

[dim moth]

it's literally all bleed/toxin spam

[vast ferry]

bonesaw is REALLY good with the stim-supply build, the guarantee toxin procs the 2% stim cd talent and gets your supply back up super fast 😌

[mighty belfry]

On a crit build, ya tbh

[dim moth]

from shiv's ridiculous attack speed

[mighty belfry]

Because base melee damage for shivs isn't ideal

[dim moth]

it is absurd how fast it kills shit

just because toxin and bleed stacks tear through enemies health

also makes cleave very good

[obsidian crown]

Heard someone said the bleed is bugged and doesn’t proc with toxin at the same time

[dim moth]

the animation doesn't play

but the damage is infact there

can be seen in psykhanium

[random shuttle]

this is me on my DOT shivs 😄

[dim moth]

bleed vfx doesn't play, visibly 2 DoT procs

[obsidian crown]

They said they can’t see it in psy 🤷‍♂️ I didn’t test but yeah

[mighty belfry]

wot

It worked just fine for me when I tried it

[tight musk]

Bruh, 2 missions in a row already I join directly into a fail screen.

[dim moth]

and it's just like you spam lights at absurd speed and any enemy that gets hit by a crit light is going to die to DoT

[random shuttle]

One mission so little progress, this one suuucks ass 😄

[drifting heron]

I'm just not doing that

Life is so much better when you ignore penances you don't like

[near mauve]

arbeetus had like no annoying penances meanwhile scum has like 10 i wont even touch

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/wind-in-hair-fabulous-wind-nicolas-cage-con-air-freedom-gif-5261079

[fervent compass]

@random shuttletis but a scratch and burst of energy, let gunners target you and stim

[bronze glade]

me when i just play the game for fun

[dim moth]

mandatory for Bladesman's Garb

[random shuttle]

10? For me its only that single one tbh

[sturdy marsh]

With stimm supply, if you put cool down reduction on your stimm do you benefit from it? I thought I saw somewhere cooldown reduction doesn't start until the ability finishes

[dense hollow]

your stimm supply instantly consumes your stim instead of waiting til the 15 secs are over

[hazy vector]

AND AGAIN

[random shuttle]

Dead game dead game dead game

[hazy vector]

Why everyone wants to be a giant

[dense hollow]

so it starts recharging immediately

oh wait you mean the cooldown stim tree?

[sturdy marsh]

Okay so I do get the cdr from it. Thanks

[hazy vector]

30k online

[drowsy relic]

So perk wise what's best for all the scum weapons we got a list yet?

[random shuttle]

nobody plays mortussy no mo 🙁

[dim moth]

Free 15 second cooldown reduction for stim gaming!

[vast ferry]

you do big time, so long as you spec'd this talent

[lusty moss]

FOR THE COOOONCLAAAAAVE

[sturdy marsh]

I do every once in a while. Once I got that 50 match penance I had to take a very long break though.

[vast ferry]

along with this the cd on the actual supply itself becomes a non-factor 😌

[manic wolf]

I might do later tbf, need to do the no medicae, no ammo penance

[sturdy marsh]

I did want to check out the scum unique modifiers tho. I've only seen free rocket on elite kill

[dim moth]

high stim uptime

even on long cooldown stimms

and the 7 tox explosion

and your teammates can get your stimm too

[random shuttle]

same

[dim moth]

and corruption immunity

[random shuttle]

but also gonna farm that toughness nonsense penance here

[vast ferry]

you can greed 70 sec stim, so long as you get to kill toxin enemies your stim goes back up SUPER fast, it is the most goated mechanics 😌

[modest patio]

What would you say the main differences between the cleaver and crowbar are? Are they both strong crowd control?

[mighty belfry]

aura farming: the class

[manic wolf]

Makes sense yeah, two birds one stone an what not. I gotta go up the road an walk my grandpa's pupper for him, but if im on shortly flick me an invite

[tender marten]

its super trivial to keep stim uptime high with the crate tbh

[sturdy marsh]

I didn't think I'd like a stimm supply build but it's a lot of fun

[dim moth]

I've been sticking with 50 seconds

[bronze glade]

i like how the characters with shivs equipped look like they're completely constipated

[dim moth]

Don't see a substantial reason to go up

[round jay]

I swear to god, if I play HS, everyone dies to a sneeze or everyone else is also HS, if I play anything else, then everyone I play with magically becomes top tier ffs

[tender marten]

in some instances you will have borderline 100% uptime even with a max viscocity recipe

[mighty belfry]

LOL

[dim moth]

but I am SERIOUSLY considering getting the dodge distance stimm

[mighty belfry]

it's the same as the shot pistol shield for arby

the stance just looks awkward

[bronze glade]

yeah weird decision on the part of FS

well maybe they just used the defaul melee weapon stance or something

[spark gyro]

Name your HS Incontinentia

[sturdy marsh]

And I think I found my problem I was having with shivs. I switched to mk 3 and they are really fun

[bronze glade]

mk3 is maximum lawnmower memes

though the ST really does kinda suck ass

[dim moth]

just lawnmower a crusher too with 82% crit cahnce

that's what I do

[azure mist]

The HS Dilemma of them dying immediately whilst everyone else usually lasts longer LMAO

[vernal sluice]

mk3 just isn't distinct enough for me to use it

[bronze glade]

yeeah i don't think i'll bother with the "ST combo"

[dim moth]

nice carapace armor dipshit here's some poop knives covered in chem toxin

[sturdy marsh]

Might be a dumb question. What's ST?

[round jay]

No, it's just whenever I play HS, everyone else also crumbles like paper, but if I decide to play any other class, then everyone else instantly gets gud

It's driving me insane

[fervent compass]

poop spoons in 40k lore confirmed

[bronze glade]

single target

[sturdy marsh]

Duh, thanks

[chrome cloud]

im going to blame it on having to many beers but where is cartel special? im losing my brain here LOL

[tight musk]

Literally died because my scum wouldn't drop the fucking stimm supply.

I pressed the button and instead of dropping it my character just held it in his hands. I wanted to quickly drop it and continue fighting, but I couldn't block or push cause this stupid shit happened so I died.

[muted holly]

did you try clicking again to drop it?

[drifting heron]

This is because stimm supply is lame

[bronze glade]

it's the name of the custom stimm

[dim moth]

yeah can't drop stimm supply directly in enemies

or walls

annoying

[bronze glade]

yeah i had this happen before

[terse creek]

Congrats, you found one of the many bugs that plague Scum, bet you feel real special eh? Lol

[chrome cloud]

0_0

[dim moth]

it doesn't come up super often but the times it happens are the exact times it's probably going to kill you

[spiral horizon]

Please respect people's wish to not be misgendered

[mossy tapir]

auric difficulty is being obnoxious with just tox flamer and tox bomber spam like ok let me just not be able to stand anywhere and also let me not be able to see where to shoot and then a crusher comes out of the mist while i'm death spiraling

[bronze glade]

that's part of the fun

[drifting heron]

Oh are we doubling down

[mossy tapir]

god knew i would be too powerful if i had the ability to see

[terse creek]

Do you tend to ignore em or do you kill em on the spot? Auric, even Mael or high intensity usually spawns like 2-3 of each which is annoying but generally, not bad

[drifting heron]

Oh ok no we aren't

Almost disappointed

[chrome cloud]

so i just toss it on and heavy attack for the brutal Bludgeons right?

[mossy tapir]

it's not like i'm trying to let them live yknow what i mean

[dim moth]

I'm so sad that they had better judgement

[bronze glade]

uhh not sure, i haven't paid attention to penances

[obsidian crown]

Almost. Yawn reacted

[mossy tapir]

also like 9 out of 10 missions i'm seeing on the mission table is high intensity or some variant of high intensity

[terse creek]

No, I get it but asking cause I see a lot of people let em live then complain about then later

[azure mist]

Probably just getting insanely unlucky, it is free weekend so I’m going in with the expectation to clutch literally every match

[terse creek]

Hey, it’s all about knowing the right limits

[mossy tapir]

sometimes its just hard to pick them out of a crowd of other specials and dense hordes to be able to single them out

by the time you see them they're already winding up their shitbomb

[terse creek]

As long as you don’t funnel yourself to a place you can’t retreat from, they are generally never a pain

[dim moth]

yeah because tox bombers have broken audio and are the only specialist in the game whose audio queue gets quieter over distance

[terse creek]

Tbf tho, tox bombers are the least treating of the both

[sweet chasm]

Easy answer to the problem kill em all

[dim moth]

tox bombers are by FAR the most threatening specialist in the game imo

they are so much worse than the disablers

[bronze glade]

hate these fuckers so much

[mossy tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didn't-i-think-of-that-mrboss-smiling-friends-frowning-friends-of-course-gif-14810131280811766713

[dim moth]

straight up earlier today I ran out of patience for tox bombers broken audio and downloaded the fucking spidey sense mod

[terse creek]

Eh, get into a bad spot, sure, but compare to normal bombers? I can get away with letting em live for a few seconds

[dim moth]

SPECIFICALLY for them

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-memes-funny-cat-funny-gastric-problem-cat-meme-gif-15255722995904760258

[dim moth]

since their audio never ever plays

[spark gyro]

fard

[sweet chasm]

It works just fine for me

[terse creek]

^

[hazy vector]

So i keep sometimes playing other classes just to always keep in mind differences

And you know what

[north plank]

The most effective killer in this game is the special wombo combo

[bronze glade]

once the fart clouds start building up it becomes so fucking hard to hunt down tox bombers

esp if twins are also present

[hazy vector]

turned out all my fav builds on zealot and vet are basically light versions of hiver

[terse creek]

Audio usually gets bugged from time to time but generally speaking, it doesn’t happen as often and neither has it fuck a run for me

[north plank]

the trapper into the flamer or the mutant into the poxburster

[mossy tapir]

dude this

[calm aurora]

Exec stance is a godsend

[terse creek]

Ok but you gotta admit, mutant into burster is always kinda funny

[mossy tapir]

its the main problem i'm having where like as soon as the tox gas winds up like everything is way harder to see and react to especially while ticking away my health

[vast ferry]

the gas, just like fart, moves THROUGH rooms instead of having a static aoe 😒

[hazy vector]

Pretty sure it gets disabled inside gas

[dense hollow]

nvm it does indeed get disabled

[dim moth]

yup

[calm aurora]

What???

[bronze glade]

yeah except gas counters that too

also fucking muties reeeeee

[dim moth]

exe stance turns off if you're standing in pox gas

[dense hollow]

nevermind lol

[calm aurora]

NOOOOOOO

[dim moth]

which btw is a b u g

[dense hollow]

i didnt know that actually

[mossy tapir]

i swear to god every single fire aoe regardless if i kill the flamer or bomber or not just decides to follow or go in front of me for the next several seconds

[north plank]

Watching the NPC zealot from the marketing and the cutscenes clutch this game

[north plank]

This is kinda exhilarating

[zealous ravine]

if pox gas was made to ki ll peoeple why it smel so go o,d ?

[north plank]

Way better than the Arbitraitor who hasnt learned their melee weapon yet

[mossy tapir]

like dude i'm walking into fire like a fuckin mmo dps player

[amber sundial]

someone post the arbite my favorite image

[hazy vector]

it does

[mossy tapir]

shittin my pants

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-sniffing-sniff-obsessed-seat-gif-14956103

[tight musk]

Just watched a crusher kill a scum and an arbites in a single blow.

[dense hollow]

does it reactivate when you get out of pox gas

[hazy vector]

Devs said that?

[calm aurora]

Does it apply to execution order too ?

[hazy vector]

Yes

[zealous ravine]

eh close enough

[hazy vector]

because gas disabling auras seems like expected thing to be

also desperado auras get turned off

[mossy tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[hazy vector]

So i am confident it is ont abug

[sweet chasm]

Wtf is that

[drowsy relic]

why the needle pistol sometimes got recoil

[hazy vector]

unirionically easy to understand

[terse creek]

Idk why people struggle against that variant of the bombers, cause imo, he generally ain’t too hard to deal with, not even on my H40 games does he screw me or my team over

[hollow venture]

whats better to have as the main on Relics for this class? toughness?

[dim moth]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/398 mod that fatshark hasn't taken down that fixes it

[hazy vector]

me and sefoni chair

[vast ferry]

wait, does gas actually turn off desperado 🤔

[hazy vector]

Nah, i am sure it is intended

[hazy vector]

It does not turn abilities, only auras

Damage bonuses stay

[bronze glade]

ahhh good to know

[hazy vector]

DON"T BE A PUSSY

EMBRACE GAS

DON"T INSTALL THAT MOD

[hollow venture]

or Curious rather

[terse creek]

The answer is always toughness my dude, lock in, lol
Or you can be like me and run 1 stam curios for you know what

[hollow venture]

im running stam as the perks, I never stop running

[hazy vector]

2 toughness 1 health?

[hazy vector]

all 3?

may be i should do that

[rapid dune]

"blackout" grenades dont always work, right? or is it just me?

[terse creek]

Usually go to for vet, my go to for scum is 2 toughness 1 stam

[dense hollow]

i run 2 toughness 1 stamina here with just revive speed, cdr and toughness

[bronze glade]

what do you even need stam for tho

[vast ferry]

you add health if you scared of been one shot, real chads go all in on tough 😌

[hazy vector]

I always take +hp, + toughness, gunner resistance

[hollow venture]

I dont trust them big pharma chems, I make my own

[terse creek]

Don’t forget one +5% health at the least

[bronze glade]

i don't think 6% attack speed is worth losing a hp or toughness curio

[mossy tapir]

i take 2 toughness + 1 health curio with me

[dense hollow]

im not knowledgeable on this, could you tell me specifically what this is for? i havent played havocs yet or maybe im not seeing something

[dim moth]

+18% attack speed however

[mossy tapir]

just let me not die to one crusher shart

[hollow venture]

I only have 2 unlocked rn but I have sprint and stam regen as perks on both

[terse creek]

Pox-bursters insurance

[vast ferry]

this is the same thing again just like vet deadeye, yolo memers will go hard on 9 stam

[novel quest]

just you

[dense hollow]

ooh, okay i see thank you

[bronze glade]

ig i should try this at some point

would be very funny

[dim moth]

you fuckin' know it

[hollow venture]

this class feels so fast and its getting me killed lol

[low harbor]

It’s 12 vs 18 for Rashad

[dense hollow]

what would you suggest i swap? one cdr, one toughness or one revive speed

[vast ferry]

what a madlad 😂

[hollow venture]

have almost dodged off the edge several times, especially on that archive level with the stairs

[placid drum]

So for the crowbar what perks do you normally run with it i already have the blessings for can opener and take a swing

[dim moth]

also makes revives easier

[low harbor]

6% isn’t that big of a bonus, stam is mostly for sprinting, blocking and pushing

[dim moth]

I ain't taking +toughness curios just to die instantly anyways

[rotund agate]

I myself use 2 health 1 stam (with each of them having gunner res, +5% health and +5% toughness), but I am thinking of going 1 health 1 toughness 1 stam at some point...

[amber sundial]

I am extremely annoyed that you don’t keep your curio subnode bonuses in the same slot for all 3

[vale garden]

I kinda hate playing with desperados

[dim moth]

might as well go attack speed

[terse creek]

I actually don’t use CDR on my scum; which as wild as it sounds, I essentially don’t need it since for my stim build, I am under the stims effect every 40-60 seconds(stim crate build)

[vernal sluice]

i switched to 1 tough 2 stamina curios on my ganger

[hollow venture]

same, wish I could re arrange them

[dim moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436310003666911232/1081465814768701510/wall-1.gif

[spark gyro]

SO TRUE BESTIE

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[vale garden]

The amount of shooting into handled melee is real frustrating, can't regen toughness if everytime I get into melee a desperado decides .1 second longer ability is more imporatant than my survival

[fleet lantern]

Toughness or Health curios?

[vast ferry]

I'd do it but I'm broke, blasted Melk took 110k of my bucks and I still don't have 3x 3-stims, just bunch of scammed fake 400 curios

[mossy tapir]

for my stimm supply chem tox build I go 3x toughness 3x gunners 2x health 1x stam regen for the nodes

[dim moth]

Stamina don't be a coward

[hollow venture]

max % for toughness bonus is 18% yeah? and Health is 21%

[dense hollow]

17% for toughness, 21% for hp

[calm aurora]

They also don't take ammo crates

[hollow venture]

toughness and health no matter if they cant catch ya

[hollow venture]

ty

[fleet lantern]

I've seen this echoed enough that I'm beginning to think it's not trolling.

[placid drum]

Having +3 stamina curio and 3 curios that have revive speed makes for some really clutch pick ups

[dim moth]

embrace the violence

[terse creek]

It’s not…..

[fleet lantern]

You know, that's true.

[vast ferry]

it's not trolling, it's meme'ing 😏

[fleet lantern]

I do like me some rampage.

[vale garden]

The true pro social move right now is to play a revive speed vet with the super ammo crate/medkit

[north plank]

BECOME SQUISHY CLASS

[vale garden]

To pick up all the squishy scums and give them more bombs for penances

[north plank]

DESTORYER OF MY NO DOWN RUNS

[fleet lantern]

[dim moth]

I don't go donw but the HERETICS SURE DO

[calm aurora]

I'm playing tauntgryn tho

[mossy tapir]

i use my chem grenades extremely liberally i pray for a vet with field improvisation every run

[north plank]

its true, stamina is huge for dodging shots and pushing things

[muted holly]

and that's why you're still single HEYYYOOOOO

[dense hollow]

if you're running something like tacaxe

[mossy tapir]

so help me god if i feel threatened (all the time) i will drop one at my feet

[dense hollow]

a +3 stamina curio gives you like 75% more stamina

[terse creek]

I keep saying this, hive scum ironically wants to get hit with random las-shots every so often, actually does help with survival if ever smacked

[fleet lantern]

I don't have a +3 yet, but I have 2 +2 curios.

[fleet lantern]

This is also true...

[north plank]

Im of the 1 tgh 2 stam curio persuasion

my arby was 2 tgh 1 stam

[fleet lantern]

That's what I'm going to try for a minute.

[lament stirrup]

Is anyone getting horrible frame issues

like it’s unplayable

[zealous ravine]

try dlss or restart ig

game was the same as usual for me

[clever wren]

My frames have been fine, but the servers have been 2004'ing me a lot

[rotund agate]

I have those mostly when I look at chem nade particles...

[zealous ravine]

despite me using a decent amount of mods my game is pretty stable somehow

[lament stirrup]

idk if it’s just Xbox cuz this has been happening since i first started and now it’s back

[vast ferry]

it aren't the frame issues you got really worry about 😏

[lament stirrup]

My frames die when I look at a certain place of the map and it’s ALWAYS the place where the objective is

I go from 60 frames to like 20

[spark gyro]

My frames died in that uhh snow map

Like holy shit

Wasn't happening before

[vast ferry]

Also mem leak crash came back with a hate

[muted holly]

FartShack has always suffered bug regressions

[vast ferry]

used to be I could last 10 games

[muted holly]

they have zero DevOps

[vast ferry]

now maybe 2 or 3

[tight musk]

Spent like a minute blocking and dodging an event daemonhost while everyone else cleared the horde. Surprised I didn't die there.

[vast ferry]

does this work?

[drifting heron]

Yes

[zealous ravine]

i use this yeah

[muted holly]

it won't fix anything server-side, though

[drifting heron]

I haven't ram crashed since I put it on like a year ago

[zealous ravine]

i was crashing when updoot released and had to put it back there

[muted holly]

how much is default for heap in Lua?

[zealous ravine]

no idea

[muted holly]

because as far as I can tell, I don't get crashes from that

[sand tendon]

@azure mist

[tender marten]

bootyner hi hello