hivescum-class

[woeful hill]

caps

[drowsy relic]

Here I was thinking you were mad at me

[woeful hill]

type mid horde

valter is dying

[azure mist]

is that the joker again

[woeful hill]

he is back

he said hi

[tepid elk]

have we all considered that the hive scum is using a shitty disposable trash can with a bomb in it and not the imperiums finest explosive dispensary device

[sinful matrix]

bitch so are you lmao

[tepid elk]

it should have random deviation like the beggars bazooka in TF2

[marble flower]

In true warhammer fashion, it should deal d6 damage because fuck consistency

[patent bone]

Junk time is fun time

[tepid elk]

hazardous so it has a 1/6 chance to kill you instantly

[marble flower]

Now we're getting to ork levels

WAIT

[patent bone]

Roll a 1 and it just explodes, downing you

[marble flower]

I just discovered what I want the next class to be

[patent bone]

Orks?

Or their Goblins?

[marble flower]

Here me out

Aren't there canon to the lore instances of orks cooperating with and/or working with the imperium at times?

[spark gyro]

You vile creature

[tepid elk]

generally if the enemy puts up a better fight than the umies

[patent bone]

Yeah, but you think Atoma can risk it?

[tepid elk]

[spark gyro]

I think the "cooperation" with orks was more along the lines of "these guys will give an epic fight", then they dropped everything to fight the other guys

[marble flower]

If the inquisition can make an alliance with and field hive scum operatives which are clearly criminals, I'd think they could field orks too if they wanted

[tepid elk]

they definitely wouldn't bring an ork to the planet if they could help it

[patent bone]

Ummmm

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[tepid elk]

if orks were already on the planet then maybe

[candid flare]

As long as you can give the orcs a good fight their interests can align. But as soon as you look like the best fight, it's on.

[tepid elk]

I want a genestealer enemy faction before another class

[marble flower]

Just paint an ork tan and pretend its an ogryn

[tepid elk]

gsc have all the perfect stuff for an enemy faction in a horde shooter

damn i just peeked over in the arbites chat and they're arguing politics lmao

[spark gyro]

arbeetus

[marble flower]

Certain ingame voice lines have long been interpreted as subtle nods to there being an active genestealer infestation on Atoma. Specifically some psyker lines about them sensing shadow presence in Zola's mind or something

[tepid elk]

imagine an abominant or kelermorph boss fight

[barren pebble]

tertium is a hive city, it has at least one genestealer cult

[tepid elk]

[limber cradle]

Yk

[barren pebble]

it comes with your hive city

[limber cradle]

After playing scum for 4-5 days

Im convinced I could kill a plague marine with these shivs

[tepid elk]

the darktide crews could always kill a plague marine tbh

that's just what happens when you have both an ogryn and a psyker

[limber cradle]

I'm aware, it's just funnier if you do it with a bit of rusty pipe

[kind zodiac]

plague marines when lol

[tepid elk]

imagine if tetanus was their weakness

[marble flower]

As long as its nothing like per-nerf GSC on the tabletop. Fucking unit of abominants respawned like 5 times in one game, thankfully they can't do that bullshit anymore.

It'd be like "Oh you won the abominant bossfight? Cool, now do it 4 more times, and fuck no you aren't getting your health restored between fights."

[tepid elk]

LMAO

imagine getting hit by a ridgerunner mortar from the sky that makes enemies ignore your toughness

[marble flower]

Ahh so we're gonna just start giving armor penetration to the heretics now. Yeah I'm just gonna go run this by Rannick cause that sounds like some HERESY

[manic wolf]

I reckon its the Show, mucka, can't trust those gits

[tepid elk]

its a miracle we don't have a representation of lethal hits in game anyways since it's nurgles thing now lol

[limber cradle]

Uh huh

[manic wolf]

If we see a Plague Marine it'll be the last boss they release for the game, an it will push our shit in

[marble flower]

Stop giving the heretics ideas!

[tepid elk]

ogryns (book main character ogryn of course) have broken terminators spines over their knee

[hallow creek]

if there is even a single plauge marine the world is fucked. they have the ire of chaos

[limber cradle]

My bad for making a one off comment about marines and immediately causing the braincells in this chat to hit room temp

[marble flower]

As long as it isn't a Lord of Contagion leading deathshroud terminators that are deep striking 6" away from me and then charging it'll be fine

[tepid elk]

the world is already pretty fucked tbf

[mighty belfry]

Shivs with Fervor stim are so fun

[hallow creek]

i would have exterminatus already like rouge trader but thats neither here nor there

[limber cradle]

Which one is fervor again?

[tepid elk]

rooting out nurgle corruption from a hive world is like whack-a-mole with 30 billion moles

[mighty belfry]

Movement speed and dodge efficiency node

Behind the attack speed

[limber cradle]

Yeah, thats one of my favorites

[manic wolf]

For sure, but we're a bunch of random nobodies been thrown into the shit

[worn gull]

This is like a 2 out of 10 in planet peril honestly

[split halo]

is this ok or did i make trash ? i have no clue what im doing

[limber cradle]

You get one with 60 mobility

[tepid elk]

yeah but even nobody ogryns are generally physically stronger than chaos marines

[limber cradle]

You guys are way too into marine diefication cause I've seen those idiots die to humans with wooden spears in the horus heresy

[manic wolf]

Physically stronger, but dumber, slower and more prone to doing stupid shit. Like stealing my rations. Fuckin ogryn gunna get shanked

[split halo]

i got this one from a mission

[tepid elk]

i genuinely believe 2 ogryns, a psyker, and a plasma gun vet could kill a plague marine with relative ease (ignoring the whole getting close to them drives you into uncontrollable illness)

[manic wolf]

Wouldn't be the first time I've thrown up on myself mucka

[tepid elk]

because the idea that you can't get close to plague marines without shitting yourself to death is pretty much just dependent on whether or not you're a named character

[worn gull]

Any one of those things could do it if they rolled a 6, figuratively and literally. I think the real problem is the existence of plague marines represents a massive escalation in chaos investment

[tepid elk]

for sure

i think beasts of nurgle being there is already a pretty big deal in terms of warp incursions

[hallow creek]

all you did was kill maybe a scout

[worn gull]

Marines die to everything in lore. Lasguns included.

[tepid elk]

its crazy that we don't see nurglings tho

[marble flower]

I mean, it's really funny playing this game and seeing my hive scum slaughter a horde of 100 poxwalkers, and then playing the tabletop game where it's absolutely possible for 20 poxwalkers to walk up to a squad of 5 space marines and come out on top.

[limber cradle]

"No you don't understand marines are the best ever they cant die" people who never read the lore

[candid flare]

The dice hate us

[manic wolf]

I do want a legitimately scary boss though

[tepid elk]

one of my friends was dead set on the poxwalker horde detachment for a while

[manic wolf]

Coz they're lacking at the moment

[limber cradle]

Tbh I want a boss thats 80 gazillion nurglings with a shared hp pool

[tepid elk]

genestealer patriarch

[limber cradle]

I think that would be funny

[tepid elk]

[worn gull]

fatshark hasn't the bravery, but that would be glorious

[tepid elk]

after reading lords of silence i wouldn't be able to take nurglings seriously

[marble flower]

It's funny detachment but I don't want to have to purchase, assemble, and paint that many models, let alone move them all on the tabletop

[manic wolf]

We'll see, but I think Fatshark know that none of the bosses are particularly dangerous if the players know what they're doing

[tepid elk]

the first chapter has a nurgling shitting itself into the crook of a plague marine's arm while hes chillin

[limber cradle]

Nurgle is a chronically unserious chaos god tbf, dudes the chaos god of pee pee poo poo jokes

[tepid elk]

yeah he used skaven as proxies for poxwalkers lol

[marble flower]

I used to think demonhosts were scary but the new event has the shrines spawning them on top of you and most teams are still melting them

[worn gull]

I did play a game against a friend who tried going like 1400 points of poxwalkers

It was hilarious, it did not even kind of end well for him though

[limber cradle]

Terminus Est list?

[manic wolf]

Yeah... all you need it to do is target the guy who can kite it an the rest of the team just kinda delete it

[tepid elk]

its the kinda list where if you don't bring anti horde stuff its the worst game of your life, but if you do its the worst game of their life

my friend described that detachment as getting stomped in slow motion

[limber cradle]

I thought terminus est died tbh

[hallow creek]

yeah but 80% of the time i can tell you the guy who triggered it will make it the most difficult thing in your life to track cause he panic dodges

[marble flower]

You need taunt ogryn

[rough perch]

is this bugged?

[manic wolf]

Or he just instantly folds like a wank tissue in a stiff breeze

[tepid elk]

the worst part is a speedy zealot or psyker proccing it and having to lug my fat arbites double shield ass after it

[rare stirrup]

Pins

[tepid elk]

[manic wolf]

Or now, a Scummer who dodges super far

[tepid elk]

exactly

like damn if we're gonna do this let me poke it lmao

[manic wolf]

Had that experience last night actually.. kited a DH round a couple boxes on the end of Vigil Station an the only dude who could keep up was the other Scum

[cobalt valley]

Cheap Shots - 15% damage against fully staggered enemies. What is 'fully staggered'? Only applies when they're on the floor?

[manic wolf]

I dont think we even know yet, but Scum struggles to stagger anything so its kinda hard to test

[patent bone]

Found a pretty good song for Hive Scum

https://open.spotify.com/track/45bwcq8x0C98NazTC43JsQ?si=D6JMGnT_RO6TEYvmsKSypA

[cobalt valley]

ok thanks. for context I'm trying to see if I should slot this on a crowbar adrenaline build

[amber sundial]

From kulis guide

[limber cradle]

I cant tell if its worth taking tox melee crits/tox nades on a primarily ranged desp build tbh

[manic wolf]

There ya go^ Kuli in with the save

[limber cradle]

I like, am only using my guns even in havocs

[tepid elk]

tox nades yes, tox melee only if you're running shivs iirc

[limber cradle]

I do run shivs

[tepid elk]

yeah i think doubling up on the dots is worth it

[manic wolf]

Anything fast that crits a good amount. TacAxe, Knife, Shivs, Chainsword etc

[hallow creek]

so basically, blackouts

[limber cradle]

I just don't use them is the thing, I'm never out of ammo and I'm rarely out of Desp

[tepid elk]

better to have good melee and not need it, than need it and not have it

[amber sundial]

yea scum doesn’t do too well with stagger on their own outside of utility

[limber cradle]

Ig, yeah. If nothing else better for bossing.

[tepid elk]

plus dots are good into crushers, which desperado can struggle with

[limber cradle]

I think my issue is that if I go over into that tree

I want tox melee, tox nades, and stimm CD on kill

So it ends up being like 4 points

[tepid elk]

could always do chem dependency instead of vultures

[limber cradle]

Lmfso

You're a funny guy, yk that?

I hate chem dependency tbh

[tepid elk]

i know it sounds crazy, but chem dependency gives crit chance too

[limber cradle]

Ik

I dont really like it tho

[tepid elk]

fair

[amber sundial]

chem dependency is cool and all I just don’t remember I have a stim and I’ll never be able to keep the stacks up

[limber cradle]

Same

[hallow creek]

i hate it as well, it just exists to be always at the back of my mind

just for CDR

[amber sundial]

also being forced to use your stim in times you don’t need it just to not lose value is

[tepid elk]

yeah, some people like to run it with like a 15 second window to stim but I can't do that, skip the 4 stack perk and run a 45 second cool down stim so i've got plenty of time to forget about and remember it

not optimal but ensures uptime

[limber cradle]

Popping them things in the elevator to keep up stacks like a real addict

Tbh I do not really fuck with CD stimm that much

[thorn sapphire]

💔

[amber sundial]

I’m probably just going to stick to dmg stim once I finish all my stim penances

I’m not spamming ability off CD so I don’t think I’d get value outta that branch

[limber cradle]

After using all the variations to finish penances my favorite is Fervor/Vultoprene

Tbh my issue with using the CD stimm is that I like popping raw damage stimm into my ability

[tepid elk]

i've been running pure vulto

[amber sundial]

which ones vulto again

[limber cradle]

Strength and crit

[amber sundial]

ah

[tepid elk]

wait my bad

[amber sundial]

havent really looked at node names tbh

[tepid elk]

pure wildfire, the finesse one

[supple torrent]

IDK what I was doing wrong but I was struggling to stack dependency with long lasting stims and a 50% stim. With no toxin

[amber sundial]

I’ve been stuck on top left toughness regain branch for a bit now

[limber cradle]

Stand in bombers and use loose coherency

[amber sundial]

Stim crate doesn’t give dependency

[limber cradle]

Or farm it in uh, mortis trials

[tepid elk]

cuz stims don't start charging until they run out, but the timer for dependency starts as soon as you hit it

[amber sundial]

I have I’m at like 1900 now

still takes a bit

[supple torrent]

Maah I wasnt running crate. I thought the 1% was more than it was

Extremely easy to stack once I dropped long lasting stims.

[tepid elk]

also hypercrit and enemies that die from toxin don't trigger it

so for the 2% something has to have chem toxin, but die to your weapon

[supple torrent]

wait what

Not surprised about hypercrit but

what

There's no way toxin doesnt give you the cd

[tepid elk]

it isn't tracked as your kill iirc

[rare stirrup]

Toxin doesn't trigger any on-kill effects

[radiant garden]

is gunslinger improved based on the weapon of the amount of ammo the person picked up from the pickup or just giving you 10% of an ammo pickup

[amber sundial]

2nd paragraph

[supple torrent]

Wait .., thats why the on kill bonus is for melee kills while they have toxin.

[tepid elk]

yeah it's really finnicky

[radiant garden]

that doesnt answer my question

[amber sundial]

it’s based on the ammo

[tepid elk]

based on the ammo from the hive scum's weapon i believe

[radiant garden]

if a veteran with a bolt pistol picks up ammo do i get like 2 rounds

[amber sundial]

It’s a very meh aura tbh

[radiant garden]

or is it 10% of what the pickup would give me

[limber cradle]

Why run ammo aura when pickpocket

[tepid elk]

the most insight i can offer here is that one time someone with the aura picked up ammo, and my shotpistol on Arbites got 10 rounds from it

on a weapon that had a max of 70-ish

[supple torrent]

If you're going melee or poisnon you can skip pickpocket and save 3 points.

[candid flint]

For team

[limber cradle]

If youre running melee or poison why in the name of god would you run the ammo aura anyway

[limber cradle]

They can have 5 percent crit chance

[radiant garden]

so its good if you run the auto pistols and hoard all ammo drops to feed your team ammo

[rare stirrup]

Especially since the other auras actually do something

[radiant garden]

i'll take 5% crit tbh

[tepid elk]

if your team is all running low ammo count weapons then possibly

like revolver users will love it

[radiant garden]

revolver, bolter, plasma, any shotgun

[green granite]

for the dual stub pistols, mobility or collatral as dump stat?

[tepid elk]

mobility

[radiant garden]

personally i always dump mobility

waste of a stat tbh

[ruby token]

Is there any difference between hip fired and braced on either of the duals?

[candid flare]

Yes

[tepid elk]

reduced recoil and accuracy improvement

[spark bough]

Is it just me or are the servers just kinda ass right now?

[ruby token]

By how much? I barely feel it?

[green granite]

aan okish amount. if you combign it with the talent on the weapon that redices it by anothr 30, it feels really nice

[ruby token]

I find it's good enough without

I just wanna know how much bracing actually changes

[urban gull]

"oh man i fucking LOVE using rampage"
the poxburster:

that wasnt a very funny joke nevermind im going home

sorry guys i gotta go

[spark gyro]

I heard the agri brauto had a thingo where the hipfire was actually more accurate than braced or something

[mint fable]

How do I get full stacks of chemical dependency? Ive been using every stimm as soon as I found it

I somehow made zero progress

[spark gyro]

Try your own stimm, methinks

[sacred estuary]

Middle of free weekend until December 8, so more player traffic than usual

[marble flower]

I mean I laughed. Damn bursters ruining my happy doped up rage room sesh

[candid flare]

Use your own, space it out to keep yourself high until the next stimulus check

[mint fable]

What do you mean by next check?

[candid flare]

It's a joke

[main wagon]

You running a health curio in these dark burster times?

I saw someone else mention that they've just picked one up until the shit gets sorted

[green granite]

damn.short of poison, hive scum has dick against carapace

[mint fable]

Theres the crowbar

[manic wolf]

Love that the Burgle just catches you like lunch was thrown into his mitts at a drive through

[candid flare]

Give em the Jason Todd Special

[marble flower]

crowbar does serious work

[dawn portal]

Also combat knife

[urban gull]

went in for my tertium special, crowbar up ass out. captain tossed in 3 tox mines. instant fucking death

[candid flare]

It just wants to give hugs.

[candid flare]

Scum of all classes should be able to dodge out of tox mines

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446546937015963779/2EC0501.MP4?ex=69365b91&is=69350a11&hm=2025e7cbf596ab56075848f3a58574c949bfef77eac144a0f725f78bf2a619ef&

[last marsh]

how do you guys feel about this talent

[bronze glade]

also HIV scum at level 25

[bronze glade]

thoroughly meh

[proud rapids]

anyone else having trouble with heresy+ missions?

[last marsh]

im just trying to think on how i can better help and drag ppl to the finish in damnation

keep having gangers who kiss the floor every horde fight

[bronze glade]

take one or two revive speed perks on your curios

will make your life much easier

[main wagon]

Killing things before they kill your fireteam is generally going to be better than planning for them being hit

[sinful matrix]

a rare milkman win

thanks milkman

[main wagon]

I admire the altruism though. Respect, homie

[sinful matrix]

Pay attention to audio cues, keep your head on a swivel(Literally, always be looking around you), don't leave cover until you know you safely can, don't be afraid to post up in a spot, don't suicide yourself to get someone off of floor sniffing duty - they can safely be ignored, don't use all of your resources every single fight - work on managing them. Use your stim one fight, your ult the next, grenades the next one and so on and so forth

copy-paste from a message yesterday I sent to someone

or the short form: be good at the game /s

[scarlet sentinel]

can you spot the difference

[sinful matrix]

61% mobility

[scarlet sentinel]

why is it like that LMAO

[last marsh]

ye. i mean, im good enough to hold my own + maybe one bad player. but im not good enough to carry +3 bad players plus do objs plus pick ppl up

[sinful matrix]

Every stat can be 0, .5, or 1

.5 is rounded up to 1

[scarlet sentinel]

but the 2nd image is from the inventory

[sinful matrix]

its fairly rare to get an x.5 though

[last marsh]

but as the great warrior poet, tupac once said. gg we go next.

[scarlet sentinel]

i have that on my bone saw as well

😭

[sinful matrix]

Uhhh

play maelstrom

I guess

and havocs

[solid valley]

does anyone us ethe stim crate?

[sinful matrix]

Once you're used to getting punched in the genitals by those difficulties, carrying morons in damnation is sleeper mode

[last marsh]

i can do maelstrom auric just fine on my vet; my main class. but its i, with my team, does fine.

just the damnation pit w a lot of newer players and ppl still getting comfy with scum

[sinful matrix]

I mean it really is just a case of "get better at the game"

I've had like 10 or 15 matches so far where I had to do solo-carries cause everyone else died

[last marsh]

sure

[sinful matrix]

And thats just a game of patience

attract small groups of roaming enemies at a time

kite them back to a safe spot

kill them, move back to the next group

[last marsh]

right

[urban gull]

rushed by 8 whole poxbursters lets go

[sinful matrix]

so on and so forth

Deal with whatever random horde is thrown at you, then you can get people up off of the BDSM respawn pole

[spark bough]

i actually am lost for words. the Dual wield Uzi's are better then the braced autoguns.

[lyric shuttle]

Do you guys think Hive scum is balanced right now or could use some tweaking?

[tepid elk]

had a game where we were limping through and somebody hit a shrine, i got thrown by a mutant directly into a burster, who bounced me into another burster

[last marsh]

fix talents first then we can talk about tweaks

[tepid elk]

bug fixes is pretty much it

[sinful matrix]

Inherently unbalanced on purpose

Very easy to die, but very powerful with correct resource management

[last marsh]

but its also not a class most ppl will pick up and just play and top things like arby

[tepid elk]

balance wise the class as a whole feels fine, clear downsides, clear upsides

[solid valley]

almighty arby of doom and despair

[rustic axle]

oh god i forgot about milkman

[solid valley]

Everything goes right regardless

[tepid elk]

awesome hive scum couple

evil and intimidating fed

[urban gull]

I like how I'm getting a lot of tread lighties armor

[tepid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gif-24861618

[urban gull]

except I AINT A TREAD LIGHTIE FUCK TREAD LIGHTIES!!!! SHOW FOREVER

[sinful matrix]

damn

darktide crashed so hard it crashed my display drivers

Been a long time since that's happened

[sinful matrix]

I was thinking I had to go and farm brunt with 1.5mil gold but nah

milkman's got my back

[lethal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-gun-bang-gangsta-crew-squad-gif-14459213

[lyric shuttle]

If ur not representing water cartel idk what ur doing with ur life

[hallow raft]

hydro homies

[lyric shuttle]

Fr like what's more 40k than a literal water cartel

[sinful matrix]

I picked the train gang

[lethal aspen]

whats the current meta for the shivs?

[sturdy linden]

Haymaker will disable Precision Violence

Bug

Heretics will peg you with Nurgle's diseased dong

[lethal aspen]

haymaker is really fun but i understand.

should i build for bleed then?

[sturdy linden]

Just take Precog

[rare idol]

I jump on my psyker with wall, empower, assail, mk5 ds and flurry rending trauma.

I then use wall to keep people from getting rinsed by specials, assail to clean up blobs of shooty stuff, trauma stick to assplant crushers and open em up for easier killing and the ds5 to slowly duel out bosses and other stuff.

Usually the newer players/bad scum can survive auric histg with that level of protection. And it’s a solid time

I’ve tried going a more damage route but what inevitably happens is I end up being aloooone

[sturdy linden]

I bet scummers love it when you Assail their toughness targets

[last marsh]

ya i have more success as support

[young herald]

so, um, heavy sword scum is goated, even with mostly focusing on objectives and ignoring fighting for the end event. On auric at any rate

[rare idol]

I don’t really care, I’m tired of them all dying

[sturdy linden]

Rampage/Chem setup?

[digital lynx]

best stim for dual uzis?

[rare idol]

90% of them fail the basic test “could you find the two talents that keep you alive in the tree”

[digital lynx]

ive been using reload recoil

[rare idol]

Cooldown like pretty much everything else

Despacito and rampage again >>>>> any stim buff

[near relic]

Is the Enhanced penance bugged? I have points in the toughness regen part of the stimm tree, but I have been stuck at 96/2600 for like 5 missions

[young herald]

nah, this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0889c11-6123-4373-8bab-1d01ccfa4dde/chop-suey

[rare idol]

It works, I got it

[near relic]

Then why am I making no progress?!

[sturdy linden]

Ah, whole hog

[rare idol]

Idk how it works 😂 I just know I maxed out the toughness replen and jabbed myself with it until I got the penance

[lethal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-bardin-nod-gif-25545419

[near relic]

I have been jabbing myself constantly, often when not at full toughness, and 0 progress

[young herald]

easiest way to do it is to spec your stim into the "give me toughness immediately" nodes (nodes 4 and 5 in the top left branch) and then go into games, wait til you get low on toughness, then pop your stim

it's really obnoxious and unfun, but it works

[near relic]

"Play badly and take damage to get a penance"

what fun

[young herald]

usually get 2-400 points per game doing it that way

[grave venture]

The fact that this could be one of several penances is sad

[sinful condor]

Been thinking of getting this class, but Steam reviews are dogpiling it. Is a glass cannon build really off meta in thsi game?

[near relic]

Class is good. People are bad at it.

[grave venture]

Only if you suck about getting hit

[flat mist]

Can I clarify whether you were using instant toughness stim nodes or just regen?

[lethal quartz]

too many people let meta crutches delude into thinking their OP kits were baseline performance

[radiant garden]

even psycher is tankier?

[mint fable]

What is up with Chemical dependency

[near relic]

Regen at the moment. Does that matter? Way it's worded, it should be any toughness regen

[grave venture]

No, they're at worst the same afaik

[mint fable]

I cant get full stacks to do the penance

[flat mist]

Maybe the game can't read the toughness coherency regen as counting for the penance

[near relic]

Thanks Fatshark.

[young herald]

the class is as good as the player is. If you're really good at the fundamentals of the game, then you wreck all kinds of face and slaughter everything. If you're bad at the fundamentals, then you get wrecked and die to anything near-instantly.

It's very much "Skill Check: The Class", and a lot of people on the internet will rage out when they get skill check'd

[near relic]

I guess it doesn't count kill toughness regen, either.

[sinful condor]

Ahh I see.

[flat mist]

You don't get that from stims anyway though

[sinful condor]

Oops wrong reply lol

[near relic]

No, but I would have thought it was toughness regen while stimmed.

[flat mist]

Bc the regen from stims only buffs coherency regen

[near relic]

As in, from any source

[flat mist]

Fair

[near relic]

What a terrible stim it is

[young herald]

no, it counts coherency regen and the actual toughness generated from the last couple nodes in the top left branch

that's it

[near relic]

How awful.

[sinful condor]

I'm new, so I generally suck, but I've gotten really good at kiting and countering with how many times I've failed Tertium 1 lol.

[lethal quartz]

and certain content creators can't cope with that reality

[tepid elk]

yeah you only take it for the shot of half toughness

[lethal quartz]

[radiant garden]

is the brutal blugeons penance 1000 heavy attacks that kill something or 1000 kills

[near relic]

So if I am in the thick of melee, where coherency regen doesn't work, the stim doesn't do shit.

[young herald]

basically, yes

[near relic]

Wow.

[mighty belfry]

the toughness stimm is a prime example of fatshark being kinda out of touch with their game in a way i think

[trim wind]

Use crate supply for the toughness penance, spam on team be done in 2-3 games

[near relic]

I am amazed no playtester said, "Hey, this sucks."

[supple torrent]

Is it buffing coherency toughness?

[mighty belfry]

yes

[young herald]

correct

[main wagon]

I remember back during launch when we first discovered that curio "toughness regen" was only for coherency

[flat mist]

I have no doubt that they did

[main wagon]

The fact that Scum is here years later with the same shit

[supple torrent]

I dont get it. Why.

[main wagon]

It's a big lmao

[lyric shuttle]

Is it just me or is it weird scriers gaze has no downside on melee psyker but rampage debuffs you at the end of rampage

On melee hive scum

[near relic]

Increasing peril is a "debuff" in Fatshark's eyes.

[main wagon]

Scrier's with Warp Unbound basically carries you INTO your next Scriers

[radiant garden]

it also gens toughness :)

[supple torrent]

SG just broken

[main wagon]

Because of the 10-15s lingering effect lol

[flat mist]

Does the stimm regen even reduce the delay before coherency regen kicks in like the curio perks lmao. Because that's the unsung hero part of a still dogshit curio perk

[lethal quartz]

rampage is nastier on its own while scrier's doesn't peak as high but is just consistent for longer

[main wagon]

You get all the benefits of still being in your super mode like archdemon mode in Monster Hunter

[young herald]

kinda? This is one of those design intent vs player behavior things. Coherency regen is the "stand there and hit trade with shooters" mechanic, and it does work for that, kinda. The problem is just that it only really works for low to mid difficulties where the hyper casuals and bads play, and kinda falls apart above that.

[sturdy linden]

that's really funny

[young herald]

honestly, the whole top left branch shouldn't even be toughness generation anyway though

[spark gyro]

Does Chem Dependancy trigger off of the Medcrate? and is it just one stack on use or do I get a stack per pulse if any at all?

[sturdy linden]

it does not

[trim wind]

Not off crate

[young herald]

the "survivability" branch of the stim should be focused on dodge stats and movement speed

not toughness

[sturdy linden]

the ability and the keystone are completely anti-synergistic

do not use them together

it's fucking absurd

[spark gyro]

Gross, I was excited

[supple torrent]

This is a bug right?

[young herald]

they haven't said as much, but I would assume so

[supple torrent]

Please I cant take much more of these weird hive shenanigans

[split halo]

what else can i do for reload speed

[young herald]

isn't speedload non-functional on the autopistols?

[sturdy linden]

can I ask what you're doing for damage though

[split halo]

bullets

[mighty belfry]

that's what i'm saying. if there were some nodes that had toughness replenishment, it'd make more sense

[trim wind]

Ze stopping power

[mighty belfry]

but it's all coherency regen until you get to the special nodes

[supple torrent]

Also has anyone gotten maxed out chems to work with 100% stim?

[mighty belfry]

and even then, those aren't that good either

[supple torrent]

Just curious to see how consistent it is

[flat mist]

Auto pistols already have built in shoot while sprinting

[sturdy linden]

you are missing, what, 65% more strength by not having Blaze Away and Pinning Fire? So you effectively need 1.65 mags to do the job of 1. So your reload speed investment cannot possibly make up for that kind of damage loss.

[split halo]

also idk what to replace run and gun with i more often dash backwards and shoot than i run forward

[trim wind]

Pinning fire blaze away

[obsidian crown]

Speedloader and blaze. All you need

[limber cradle]

Tbh I do not care for speedloader

[flat mist]

I still haven't run a single scum game (at 30) without +9 stam curios

[split halo]

i dont like spending an entire minute reloading

thats soo much non damage

[flat mist]

Those 17% toughness curios I got from spending 50k melk bucks just sitting there feeling rejected

[limber cradle]

The reload is really not that bad

[sturdy linden]

I have blown I think 15k melkbux and only gotten 5 fake +3 stams, the swindler

[limber cradle]

I had a 3 stage anim cancel to reload the plasma gun, the macs dont even run out of downtime on Desp reloading

[split halo]

when im standing there waiting for my character to reload it feels like its too long especially when my team is clearing out like 1000 guys while im doing nothing

[novel quest]

honestly you want run n' gun
if you really want speedload, go ahead, but I'd say pinning fire run n' gun is the ideal combo

[flat mist]

I got literally 3 x 420 rating curios from 50k. It's an absurd probability curve

[young herald]

it only took me 40k milkbux for 2x 17% toughness and 3x +3 410+ stam curios, so I'm pretty happy

[obsidian crown]

Why do you need run n gun on autopistols…?

[charred bronze]

never used a tac axe. Perks, blessings, mk?

relentless strikes and decimator look interesting, what with scum attack speeds

[sturdy linden]

lucky buggers

[mighty belfry]

spread

[young herald]

someday i'll replace my 16% toughness curio with a 17%, but I'm not in any rush

[obsidian crown]

Do you have aim issues or something

[novel quest]

spread

the spread bonus is nice

[obsidian crown]

…?

[sturdy linden]

....

[novel quest]

no lol

[obsidian crown]

You don’t even need it 💀

[novel quest]

I just like being pinpoint

[limber cradle]

I really like run and gun on the macs tbh

[sturdy linden]

I play this game on controller and I don't struggle with spread, I take down snipers at range with uzis..

[obsidian crown]

So do I, without run n gun

[flat mist]

Headtaker, bromentum

[novel quest]

I dont have aiming problems with spread either it's just nice to have an easily fixed spread

also having run n' gun all the time even without desp is nice

[obsidian crown]

You want to talk about wasted blessing, that would be one. You can take a blessing that actually deals more dmg

[young herald]

DAP crosshair is approximately the size of rhode island, rng makes it significantly more reliable to hit distant targets. It's not something you need, but it's a nice boost to midrange damage

[sinful matrix]

"Hmm, I would like less RNG in my RNG based weapon aiming"

"No that's dumb and stupid"

[novel quest]

oh my god

[split halo]

what can i do with this? it was the only knife game gave me soo far the shop never has them the damage being low is probably really bad...

[flat mist]

You get more damage from taking other blessings than you do hitting heads.

[obsidian crown]

Do I need to stream how to aim with Uzis?

[sinful matrix]

In any case, being able to sprint and shoot is good enough on its own too to get out of or into sticky situations

[charred nexus]

what dump stats do people run on Branx dual stubs?

i want to keep mobility

[split halo]

i only really swap to knife for the poison dart during named bosses

[sinful matrix]

throw it in the trash

[young herald]

the difference between a god roll and the worst possible roll is not that large

[sinful matrix]

unfortunately

[novel quest]

I don't care about minmaxing my damage, the most I play is Auric Maelstrom. having a blessing on for convenience's sake isn't gonna kill me and I still instakill everything smaller than a Crusher anyway

[sinful matrix]

You know you can just mass buy them from Brunt's armory right?

[young herald]

you'll want to replace it, but it's not the end of the world to use a 65% damage roll in the meantime

[sinful matrix]

to fish for perfect grays

I'll admit, its a good 500k or so gold before you find the perfect stat spread

more if you're unlucky

[limber cradle]

You say that but like, its rng

[split halo]

whats a perfect grey look like ?

[limber cradle]

Ive gotten 3 god rolls withing 3 buys on scum

[near relic]

I like Blaze Away + Speedload on the autopistols.

[sinful matrix]

80x4 60x1

[limber cradle]

Ive gotten like 4 out of the shop

[dense hollow]

it hasn't taken me 500k for a roll in a long time

[young herald]

your options are mobility or collateral. Either works for the dump stat, though I prefer to drop mobility because of how much movement the scum has already

[dense hollow]

on average i spend 100k-200k dockets

[sinful matrix]

with the 60 being on mobility/defences most of the time

[novel quest]

very unfortunate roll, turn that into mastery or discard

[split halo]

what do i put here ?

[last marsh]

really unfort that hyper violence and precision violence is bugged together

[flat mist]

Putting coherency regen on my curios and removing tis but a scratch to get this stupid penance

[near relic]

Uncanny + Precognition for blessings.

[split halo]

i only upgraded it so when i need to swap to knife i can atleast do some damage instead of being useless until i find ammo or die

[novel quest]

the thing is I just wanna be able to run through hallways and shoot everything down without stopping, and also having tighter spread is just nice to have and significantly decreases my probability of my guns' spread fucking up from farther ranges

[near relic]

Perks are... probably Flak + Carapace or Flak + Unyielding

[sinful matrix]

Not gray, but it gets the idea across

[last marsh]

which of these keystone perks do you guys like the most

[hexed lava]

If u have spare gold just buy from armory until I get god roll stats uusally 60 mobility or defense or stability in a gun that don't fire in burst

[flat mist]

The dual autopistols have sprint while shooting while unbraced built in

[dense hollow]

adrenaline smiter and adrenaline unbound

[hollow venture]

quick question for people that read better than I can, How do you gain more of the Shiv's special throwable ammo?

[limber cradle]

2, 3, 5 if going left to right

[near relic]

2nd, 3rd, and 5th

[flat mist]

Duration and on stacks on kill

[novel quest]

even so, the tighter spread is still good

[split halo]

what is rending and finesse?

[obsidian crown]

Kills give it back to you. 2 for big guys, 1 for small elites

[last marsh]

thank you, fellow crackheads

[near relic]

Rending is ignoring armor modifiers, finesse is headshots and crits

[hollow venture]

ty

[dense hollow]

i dont think you need uncontrolled aggression like ever

increasing adrenaline stack duration isn't really that big of a deal

[sturdy linden]

that's a really unlucky set if it takes you that many bucks to get a perfect spread. Unless you refuse to settle for like a 78/79 I guess, maybe, but even then. I maxxed out all the class weapons (consecrates, empowers, blessings, perks) for I believe sub 2mil bucks

[young herald]

it buys more time in between enemy packs

that's it really

[split halo]

i play with controller, headshots are kinda hard to hit constently is there a better blessing for leg and arm hits

[flat mist]

But you don't need to hit heads with the autopistols. It's got god awful finesse

[novel quest]

you know what I need to do with autopistols though

hit

what does spread do

ensure I hit

[near relic]

Finesse boosts crits as well

[novel quest]

it's that simple

[split halo]

what do i puti n the perks?

[obsidian crown]

It’s not even a hard gun to aim either 💀

[novel quest]

it isn't

I agree

[obsidian crown]

You can even flick shot with it

[split halo]

is there anything to buff the throwing dart part of this weapon ?

[novel quest]

you know what I wanna do though

[lost bear]

I'm dogshit at FPS and the dual autopistols are very accessible

[flat mist]

20s between enemy packs retains 10 stacks... meh. That's like 2s of attacking with a high attack speed weapon

[novel quest]

make sure my rng-based aiming has better rng when I hit the target

[near relic]

Flak + Unyielding is a safe pick. Or Flak + Carapace

[split halo]

i tend to wait for a named boss like the nurgle beast to shot up and launch all 3 of my darts into its back

[sturdy linden]

btw does the recoil talent at the top of the tree actually make uzis worse or nah

[near relic]

Alternatively, Riposte is a good pick. Crit chance on dodge

[digital lynx]

Autopistols would be so much worse if you didnt have 2 differnt methods of inifinte ammo

[sturdy linden]

I have not tested without it yet

[lost bear]

Like, vaguely heretic sized area at a little beyond close range is plenty good

[digital lynx]

but you do and dumping mags is so good

[hexed lava]

I prefer dual pistol than dual smg but that my personal taste

[novel quest]

same

[lost bear]

You don't want to be controlled with it because it's so shit at stacking Pinning Fire otherwise

[digital lynx]

if pickpocket didnt exist i might

but you can just free spam autos like crazy even without desperado

[sacred estuary]

The +10% Chem Toxin strength node directly under Stimm Supply blitz

[split halo]

i didnt see reposte it looks like this now

[hexed lava]

Yeah hope pick pocket wont be nerf with ridiculous cd

[lost bear]

I do want a single stub pistol though

[digital lynx]

maybe 10% and it requires a ranged kill

[lost bear]

As a generic weapon for everyone

[near relic]

Pinning fire should work if you stagger the same target repeatedly, too. At least, I am fairly sure.

[limber cradle]

with two 17 percent toughness curios and 3 5 percent toughness boosts you get 187 toughness which is conveniently also the police code for homicide on a cop, coincidence? i think not.

[near relic]

The %s for stats are not ideal, but those blessings and perks are good.

[lost bear]

Yeah as in, it doesn't stack well on short controlled bursts, because even at max collat the stagger is kinda mid

[near relic]

Ah, I misunderstood. Thought you meant in regards to spread

[split halo]

game did not give me a new knife yet in the shop every tiem i check its every otther weapon in the game

[near relic]

Such is the pain of Darktide.

[vale loom]

[near relic]

Used to be you couldn't even change blessings and perks.

[lost bear]

I did pick up way too many 76 spreads levelling

Unusual

[near relic]

Then you could only do it 2x per weapon

[novel quest]

god I remember that

that sucked

[dense hollow]

you can go to the other tab and buy whatever weapon you want for dockets to fish for rolls

[novel quest]

I'm glad fatshark is taking steps to improve qol though

[near relic]

Back then, you didn't get rewards from winning missions, either. Brunt's casino all the way down

[lost bear]

Used to be that you'd never run out of Diamantine it was just Plasteel

[dense hollow]

you don't need to wait for the vendor to restock a new one unless you're stingy on spending dockets

click on brunt's armory instead of requisition weapons

[flat mist]

15s CD, only restores 10% ammo

[young herald]

tbh, even that's probably too strong

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket is conceptually broken

[lost bear]

Also, maybe FS should revisit shit like Haymaker while fixing Hypercritical

[supple trellis]

i have a question on chem toxin.... only the grenade version will cause mobs to explode and spread the toxin?

[split halo]

soo went to try the knifes and i got matched with 3 afks

[obsidian crown]

Gotta let the class have its identity. Arbites exists after all.

[lost bear]

Let them generate toughness on kill

[split halo]

team wiped in 20 seconds

[flat mist]

And only on crit weakspot killing blow with atleast 80% stamina, full dodge count, and a blood alcohol level of 0.2%

[near relic]

I think Scum is largely in a good place, not counting the issues with Chemical Dependency and other bugs.

[novel quest]

needs a lot of bugs and anti-synergies fixed and it's goated imo

[lost bear]

The chain weapons also bug with Adrenaline stacks

Tested with chainaxes and revved chainsword

[novel quest]

how so

[near relic]

That is what I meant with chemical dependency

[lost bear]

If the rip kills them you don't get a stack

[dense hollow]

chain weapons always bugged with on kill effects

[near relic]

The anti-synergy

[dense hollow]

unlucky

[lost bear]

If the bonk kills them you do

[low drum]

what's the consensus on the dual pistols

[young herald]

syou get the stack on hit, not on kill

[flat mist]

Same with blackout regen and disrupt destiny procs. Bonesaw latching attacks have the same issue.

[novel quest]

good weapon

[young herald]

oh wait you mean with the subnode

[novel quest]

just needs the crit bonus fixed

it's borked atm

[young herald]

yeah, that's technically not a melee kill

[mint fable]

This chemist dependency is impossible to complete

[near relic]

Currently, I believe a very good Scum is second only to a very good Psyker. But a bad scum...

[low drum]

I like them a lot but I'm struggling to find a reason to use them over the smgs in a desperado build

[mint fable]

By the time I get a stimm back, the stack is already gone

[low drum]

besides armor I guess

[young herald]

put less popints in your stim

[dense hollow]

then you put too many points in the stim lab

[flat mist]

Someone said you have to lose all stacks during the game (or something)

[obsidian crown]

Is your psyker a 500-600ish level psyker named Six

[trim wind]

Abuse sample collector

[lost bear]

Yeah but the spirit of it though...

[novel quest]

pistols are much, much more ammo efficient so take that as you will

[viscid sleet]

how fragile is hivescum compared to other classes?

[mint fable]

I do have sample collector

[young herald]

extremely

[low drum]

it's not really like I'm struggling to be ammo efficient in a desperado build lmao

[obsidian crown]

Can be pretty immortal unless teammates fuck you over

[mint fable]

But 90s stack is not long enough

[viscid sleet]

how so?

[trim wind]

Pistols are fun but autopistols definitely outperform them currently

[lost bear]

No Man's Land is difficult though, lots of greebles to get your dodge stuck on

[low drum]

although you are right that in every other use case they're insanely more efficient

[little pivot]

Ill admit Im not that far yet, but 60 sec stims getting reduced by 1-2% per kill seems like fairly high uptime to me

[obsidian crown]

Only times I’ve gone down is if I get bursters pushed or shot on me when trying to push.

[trim wind]

You should be getting your stim well within the timeframe even if stimm lab is maxxed

[young herald]

okay if you're running into issues with the 90s dependency buff and sample collector, that's 100% a skill issue

[novel quest]

I think once the crit bug is fixed we'll see a lot more desperado pistol ppl

[young herald]

doesn't even matter what your stim looks like at that point

[lost bear]

Burster changes plus scum were definitely a combo of all time

[trim wind]

Hopefully!

[viscid sleet]

but like are they similar to psyker in terms of durability or are they worse in terms of durability

[sacred estuary]

Psyker-fragile before the talent tree rework in September 2025/Bound By Duty

[low drum]

it depends on what you mean by durable

[dense hollow]

psyker is like extremely tanky these days

[low drum]

if you get hit twice you will die

but

[viscid sleet]

wait what

[low drum]

it has ways to mitigate actually taking said damage more than most other classes

[obsidian crown]

You can practically be immune to ranged and melee if you use your foundations properly

[wind urchin]

I like how the loose cannon and bounty hunter are pals

[little pivot]

if you only look at required passives and stats, HS is on par if not worse than Psyker in terms of toughness and toughness regen

[little pivot]

I think durable means tanking hits not ignoring them personally

[low drum]

HS doesn't have to deal with the mental stack of avoiding both ranged and melee because it can just choose not to engage with that facet of the game if you don't want to

[viscid sleet]

how did psyker become more durable in the rework?

[lost bear]

Have you seen the tree

[woeful hill]

They got 35% dr

[near relic]

No, I am Spoony-Threepus. Why?

[viscid sleet]

no i have not played psyker after the rework

[obsidian crown]

Played with a Six earlier in no ammo pure melee mael. Was wondering

[near relic]

Ah. They are impersonating me

[low drum]

then it's the least durable class

[lost bear]

Suffice to say "glass cannon" is Psyker propaganda

[low drum]

does it even have damage reduction besides through chem dependency

[dense hollow]

yes

it has 20% from hive city brawler and 25% from rampage (if you go that route)

[little pivot]

Hive City Brawler is 20% flat dr

[obsidian crown]

The other HS kept pushing bursters on me in that game, was kinda annoying

[low drum]

right hive city brawler

forgot about that

[dense hollow]

you're also forced into a 10% TDR node

to path down anywhere

[near relic]

What's the dump on needle pistol? Damage?

[low drum]

yes damage

[near relic]

Cool

[low drum]

so still quite significantly less than anyone else though no?

[obsidian crown]

I dumped stability myself

[lost bear]

During the free weekend I've just been positioning teammates between bursters and myself

Not taking chances with pushing at all

[low drum]

rampage isn't an innate damage reduction so I wouldn't count that towards how durable the class is overall

[dense hollow]

yeah probably but it's enough to take a hit without losing all your toughness and not be in the realm of a chip hit dealing 50 damage

[near relic]

Psyker also has insane toughness regen.

[lost bear]

Had a thing earlier on one of the assassination missions where an Arbites shot a clod of the tentacle head trash mobs, got chucked off the level outright

[spark bough]

I just cant with HS, it takes FOREVER to kill anything that is Carapace, i want to use the crowbar but the secondary mode takes forever with the animation and it pisses me off, like... if it didnt have that or it was negligible id actually like it.

[wind urchin]

Rampage annoys me. Why is it just worse scriers gaze

[dense hollow]

gaze psyker is like usually atleast 40-53% TDR and giga regen so he's way tanky these days

[low drum]

you will become needle pistol pilled and you will LIKE IT

[spark bough]

not when its Melee only.

[frigid basalt]

Rampage is worse sciers

[lost bear]

Rashad?

[little pivot]

I inject drugs into meself and drugs into me enemies. Whats not to like?

[dense hollow]

you have a ranged weapon on a melee build

[low drum]

you will become rashad pilled and you will LIKE IT

[normal steeple]

it's way too scary to use anything other than desperado in auric+ anyway

[vast ferry]

This class and that needle pistol is the most OP thing since inferno

[frigid basalt]

But desperado is arguably better exec stance

[wind urchin]

It frustrates me so much

Its so lame

Its just scriers gaze but on a worse class for melee and you take more damage lol

[inner gust]

what blessings we rockin g on needle gun?

[vast ferry]

case and point:

https://youtu.be/qf0eCjEoBcQ

[frigid basalt]

Desperado with vulture gives so much safety it's kinda crazy

[wind urchin]

Fun fact most of the blessings dont affect the dot at all making them worthless

[wind urchin]

Desperado with chem dependency is goated

[low drum]

it's so fucking stupid

[frigid basalt]

I don't use Chem decency on desperado

[low drum]

you spend over half the game immune to ranged damage

[frigid basalt]

I prefer vulture

[wind urchin]

You should the cooldown reduction is amazing among other things

[spark bough]

wtf is Rashad.

[frigid basalt]

I did before

[wind urchin]

Vulture is good its just not chem dependency

[sacred estuary]

Sorry, I meant Bound By Duty update which gave Psyker new talent nodes that reduce damage related to the class's Peril system:

Immaterial Focus

• +10% Damage Resistance, in addition, while at Critical Peril and for 4s afterwards, you are Stun Immune.

One with the Warp

• Gain Toughness Damage Reduction of +10% to +33% based on your current Peril.

Just a Dream

• While below Critical peril, 25% of Damage Taken is converted into Peril.

Warp Ghost

• -80% Passive Quelling, +2 Stamina, and +25% Toughness Replenishment.

[wind urchin]

The middle one sucks

[frigid basalt]

But I find vulture to be better

[obsidian crown]

Because it is

[vast ferry]

spec stim purely for cooldown for chem depend and desperado is the way to go

[frigid basalt]

Because the stim j can just give full cooldowns

[wind urchin]

Not the stim

Chem dependency is the keystone

[frigid basalt]

And then I get all the damage buffs and full attack immunity from vulture

[lost bear]

Which weapon though

Because dual autopistols don't benefit that much from crits

[obsidian crown]

People sleeping on the team 15% toughness too

[frigid basalt]

And full infinite ammo as long as I can kill a single elite or special

[wind urchin]

Actually its kinda confusing. Theres a stim theres a stim supply ult and theres a chem depency keystone about stims

[dense hollow]

that team toughness is so nice

[wind urchin]

But yeah idk looking at the numbers vulture seems mathematically worse then chem dependency but its not bad

[frigid basalt]

I like Chem depency

[wind urchin]

The middle one bad

[spark bough]

oh nvm, i tested that axe, its not bad but i dunno, i need cleave as well, i guess i cant have everything.

[wind urchin]

Adrenaline rage is annoyingly bad

[frigid basalt]

But I prefer it for stim pack and rampage builds

[obsidian crown]

Especially if the HS is super good at killing everything

[lost bear]

Bruh what

[kind zodiac]

why is this a phone case lol

[obsidian crown]

Can really help the team

[wind urchin]

Honestly I feel like rampage and stim supply suck

[coral mirage]

Nurgle

[frigid basalt]

Stim suplly needs some quality of life

[low drum]

stim supply is good but I feel like it's not good for the buffs it gives

[lost bear]

What blessings are you using that the combat axes don't cleave

[low drum]

booby trap is goated

[frigid basalt]

Bigger range

[wind urchin]

Rampage feels awful to use and stim supply is decent but has alot of weird anti synergy rn

[limber cradle]

Rampage feels amazing imho

[wind urchin]

It has a bunch of weird anti synergy all over the place with it as well

[low drum]

that too

[novel quest]

same I really like rampage

[sinful matrix]

yippee another one from a team-wipe that I had to clutch

[frigid basalt]

Habe booby trap reduce the duration, not the one that gives longering

[wind urchin]

It's just scriers gaze on a class with bad melee and it makes you take more damage

[novel quest]

big fan of pairing rampage with adren

[low drum]

why is chem dependency genuinely worthless with the stim pack, that shouldn't be how that works

[sinful matrix]

maybe one day people will learn how to manage health on hs

[lost bear]

Brutal Momentum is necessary on the combat axes never leave home without it

[wind urchin]

Like its a ult with a downside 😭

[novel quest]

huh?

hive scum
bad melee

LOL

[wind urchin]

What is so weird yeah its own keystone is complete anti synergy 😭

[sinful matrix]

Scrier's Gaze can't go forever

[dense hollow]

most of your guns instantly ruin rager packs, gunner packs and shotgunner packs so it's just easy toughness most of the time

[limber cradle]

Scriers is so insanely broken so yeah, I would imagine it feels worse.

[sinful matrix]

With enough enemy density, you can make rampage last forever

[wind urchin]

Yeah hive scum melee isn't very good compared to like anyone else

[lost bear]

Hive Scum is not bad at melee lmfao

[obsidian crown]

You melt anything that isn’t crusher tbh

[wind urchin]

Melee scum is worse then gun scum

[lost bear]

And it takes certain weapons to ridiculous heights

[dense hollow]

yeah true crusher is the only full carapace enemy

everything else dies

[obsidian crown]

I was destroying the fuck out of mauler packs in the melee mael

[novel quest]

what heresy is this

[wind urchin]

Maybe some of the multi class ones I guess

[lost bear]

Not the same position though

[wind urchin]

But its own ones kinda suck

Crowbar sucks

[mighty belfry]

this, is one of the takes, of All Time

[wind urchin]

I was disappointed by crowbar

[novel quest]

seriously

[wind urchin]

I like the bonesaw tbh

[novel quest]

crowbar two shots crushers

[low drum]

crowbar is probably fine I think I just hate how it feels

[wind urchin]

And the dual knives

[novel quest]

wha

[wind urchin]

And everyone else can one shot them?

[lost bear]

You want Brutal Momentum as one, and probably Headtaker as the other. Test in the Psykhanium for perks, I currently have Cara + Unarmoured, because you want to be able to oneshot all trash

[mighty belfry]

shivs are absolutely gross with rampage

[spark bough]

i dont know if im just overestimating the HS and trying to Bonk shit like its Zealot with a Hammer or what.

[formal venture]

Rampage is 1/3 of Scrier's Gaze + downside

[low drum]

I've been really liking rampage bonesaw scum but idk if it's actually very good

[flat mist]

ok im finally actually trying stimm supply properly... practiced deployment is basically garbage, right? seems like at most you're getting a few seconds off of the cooldown of stimm supply

[low drum]

I feel like I'm killing everything efficiently besides crushers

[wind urchin]

I have regulary one shotted crushers with zealot and psyker in melee and arbites can melee fight entire crusher swarms with the stagger

[obsidian crown]

#hivescum-class message

was annoyed at the other HS for pushing bursters on me 3-4 times that game. But other than that. Was smooth

[formal venture]

maybe a bit unfair, but only a bit

[wind urchin]

It's one of the best rampage builds rn but still struggles with carapace thats the main weakness there

I imagine rampage combat axe might be pretty good

[flat mist]

actually i suppose it lets you use it as a bomb more often

[wind urchin]

But combat axe is just good in general

[coral mirage]

I think they should buff da cartel special stims

[vast ferry]

the stim supply cooldown itself is a non factor, what matters is your stim cool down getting reduced by kills on toxin enemies talent and your supply getting insta up when stim gets up

[wind urchin]

(Also like anyone can use that

[novel quest]

I have been having absolutely no problems with HS ngl

well

there are some problems

but not melee related

[wind urchin]

The only 2 things I think genuinly need a buff are the stim lab and rampage

[mighty belfry]

i just topped damage in a civi with hive scum

[wind urchin]

Most other stuff just needs to be unjanked

[mighty belfry]

idk why people say this class can't deal with carapace

[novel quest]

neither

it's

[lost bear]

Shiv Rampage is deffo cracked

[low drum]

I've been seeing content creators say the class is underpowered and don't get it

[novel quest]

interesting

[novel quest]

Mr. Pee?

[low drum]

yes

[novel quest]

yep

[lost bear]

The smoothbrain ones or the skilled ones?

[limber cradle]

Because the player can't deal with it.

[frigid basalt]

Not one shottong crushers is considered bad now

[novel quest]

Mr. Pee

so smooth

[low drum]

I wasn't gonna mention by name in case people here liked him cause I don't use this discord that much

[limber cradle]

Dw we hate that moron.

[low drum]

but he seems both not good and uninformed

[dense hollow]

that's pretty good, honestly hive scum is just as safe as the other classes for me. the types of mistakes that'll kill my HS also kill me when on like half of the classes, like ogryn, vet out of gold toughness etc

[vast ferry]

the needle gun more or less "one shots" them 😏

[flat mist]

yeah i guess, you're right. if youre using a 45s stimm and take 30% off its a 32.5s CD which is lower than anything you're going to get from CDR (bad maths but whatever)

[little pivot]

Im debating between a Crit focused and non-crit focused Bone Saw/Needle Gun build. Anyone have reasons for/against crit?

[novel quest]

he makes... builds. that exist

[vast ferry]

nooo no need to hold back on stim you can greed full 70sec stims, and they'll still come up super fast, it's insane

[wind urchin]

They can just not as good as any other class

[sinful matrix]

Don't think I'm getting this one done any time soon(roll up a heavy sword or catachan I guess, cause I refuse to use the other mark of knife)

[austere topaz]

Which one are the good ones? I don't really pay attention to content creators

[wind urchin]

The issues with hive scum arent it being unable to do certain things its just parts of the tree are worse then other classes in those areas

[low drum]

it's time for you to lock in on bonesaw

[flat mist]

that was the plan just theorycrafting having a shorter CD

[limber cradle]

I used crowbar+rampage+every cleave perk in the tree and got it done in 5 or 6 games fwiw

[obsidian crown]

When I don’t get teammates fucking me over, games looks like this generally

[austere topaz]

But it would be nice to know who's like actually informed and whose just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks

[dense hollow]

khandones is a good creator

they just play the game

[low drum]

yeah that's my biggest takeaway so far. janky != op/underpowered

[next cedar]

ive had no issuesin hc

[wind urchin]

Scum is just jank and has a few skills that are badly designed rn

[next cedar]

already almost to my 56th of 66 penances

[digital lynx]

could use some tweaks the stuff thats good is super good and the bad feels kinda janky

[next cedar]

but i played a lot of shade in vt2

[low drum]

I really dislike chemical dependency conceptually

[mighty belfry]

i mean this is straight up not true but pop off

people misunderstand what this class is supposed to be. it's not high burst like the other classes, it's high dps. if you play to that strength, you'll realize hordes of crushers can die pretty fucking quickly if you're on your a game

[vast ferry]

Depends entirely on the build, especially with the needle gun I predict this class will be the most OP thing since inferno psyker. People don't know yet it's only been less than a week out

[supple torrent]

ngl I'm sorta getting annoyed at tox nade

[lost bear]

I can't give you an authoritative listing because I don't remember their names, I just subscribe. But Mr E is to be treated as entertainment not information, and anything Tanner Lindberg spits is kinda suspect

[mighty belfry]

other than psyker because psyker is just completely fucking broken and needs to be nerfed

[wind urchin]

Like legit the only 2 weak things I can think of is ramage and the stim lab. And rampage is as easy as removing the pointless downside or making it give alot more

[limber cradle]

almost done

[novel quest]

Truth nuke?

[wind urchin]

Every other class can also do that and easier

[austere topaz]

Oh so kinda like metro with deadlock

[obsidian crown]

Also higher skill floor. So bigger barrier to entry for the class

[next cedar]

im slowly working on the heavy kills while stimmed

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-touch-grass-alphabet-soup-meme-gif-25868068

[wind urchin]

Psyker and vet have been like this for ages you cant just plug your ears and ignore them when talking about how the new class performs

[low drum]

why

[digital lynx]

i really dont like non move speed or cd stims

[limber cradle]

Not till I'm done like 43 more games.

[lost bear]

Would recommend Reginald, RykenXIV, milkandcookies, and I'm sure there's a lot others people will stan. Metro with Deadlock?

[digital lynx]

the DR is worhtless and the strength feels to annoying and limited to use in a real right

[vast ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf0eCjEoBcQ try it, it's braindead broken 😏

[wind urchin]

Desperado is extremely fun

[low drum]

how do you think they'll go about nerfing chem nades

if they do

[next cedar]

people posting stuff like that

gets it nerfed even harder

[lost bear]

Chem nades are wild

[next cedar]

and its already been majorly nerfed since the testing

[mighty belfry]

Zealot 100% cannot. Veteran needs kraks or a melee that will most likely severely hurt their horde clear. Ogryn while it can, has a limited amount of weaponry that can do that. Arbitrator also isn't good damage against carapace. They can just crowd control

And then there's, psyker

[next cedar]

like ed for example

[mighty belfry]

That's just, there, being annoyingly broken in every single metric in this game

[lost bear]

I threw one down at the boss fight elite spawn in assassination

It wiped a whole pack of plasma gunners

[obsidian crown]

TH zealot but yeah

[digital lynx]

to bad scries gaze psyker is almost 1 to 1 play type as hive scum melee

[limber cradle]

Arby can stunlock carapace but good luck killing it

[low drum]

it's two blitzes in one with four charges

absolute bs

[mighty belfry]

It's much slower and you have to be self stunned with the special attack which is its own issue.

[next cedar]

i do fine fighting crushers as arb

[obsidian crown]

Forceful BTL deals with carapace easily ngl

[lost bear]

Tbf, power sword, but most people struggle with that

[next cedar]

the struggle

[mighty belfry]

Well, yeah power sword but uh

[limber cradle]

It's fine. It's not PS or FGS. But it's fine.

[next cedar]

is thei near 3k healh bump they gave crushers

[opaque quiver]

as it should 😄

[austere topaz]

Okay yeah I like those guys too, although milk and cookies is more total war

[next cedar]

lol

[mighty belfry]

There's clear reason why power sword is a little scary to go toe to toe with a group of crushers with lol

[obsidian crown]

I’ve mowed down crusher hordes in h40 with shmaul on forceful BTL dog build so it’s pretty good.

[next cedar]

i miss week 1 pc

[lost bear]

You dodge about as far as that thickass blade?

[sinful matrix]

yeah I just haven't used anything that really utilizes heavy attacks yet

[obsidian crown]

Tact axe and shock mines also goated as well

[next cedar]

i have fun vs crushers with bonesaw

[mighty belfry]

fucking lethargic ah dodges

[lost bear]

Hive Scum makes Heavy Sword actually take all comers

[next cedar]

purple toxin apllies brittle on hit

[limber cradle]

I also like to lie on the internet.

[sinful matrix]

resource poor 😔

[kind zodiac]

oi what you got against veteran

[mighty belfry]

I mean it was able to. Once upon a time.

[limber cradle]

Ive played arb, I've used schmaul, arb feels like rancid dogshit to to kill cara with in any set up ime.

[sinful matrix]

started patch out with 2mil gold and 30k plas/diamantine lmao

[lost bear]

Yeah people don't seem to pick shit up these days

[mighty belfry]

also yeah vet was pretty damn shafted until the rework

[obsidian crown]

I’m serious lol.

[mighty belfry]

They may be, a little overtuned.

Now.

[wind urchin]

Nothing I'm just saying vet is good

[flint granite]

Havoc weeklies

[next cedar]

i got like 48k plasteel left and only 31 k of the other left

[sinful matrix]

I only play aurics where I don't give a shit. 85 bursters with 85 dogs with 85 trappers. I've got enough on my hands without everyone spreading out for plasteel

[next cedar]

and am nearly out of creds

[coral mirage]

They should buff zealot then

[lost bear]

Arby Maul does well against Cara, shmaul is hot rrash against Cara

[mighty belfry]

THEY ARE MAD BECAUSE I SAID THE TRUTH. 🗣️

[obsidian crown]

Not on forceful BTL with strength node

[coral mirage]

And make it so fire nades make poxwalkers explode..

[next cedar]

the issue people are having

[sinful matrix]

Yeah this is the thing I don't do

[next cedar]

is people running mark 4 needelr

[quaint rivet]

anyone know the dump stats for the hive scum weapons? the gameslantern builds in the pinned are all at 80% for some reason

[sinful matrix]

I don't have a reliable group of friends to play darktide with anymore

And I don't really feel like playing havocs with ALL randoms

[novel quest]

I never did

💔

[lost bear]

25% str doesn't go so far as to rehabilitate the shmaul against Cara

[next cedar]

nobody likes being bounced cause they used the stim that makes the guys pop

[sinful matrix]

auric damnations/maelstroms are already annoying enough

[next cedar]

puri

[obsidian crown]

I mean do you want me to demonstrate?

[next cedar]

did you get your a.s.s title yet

[sinful matrix]

wait that's a stim effect

I thought poxwalkers just randomly exploded when you shoot them now

[next cedar]

thats from the mark 4 speical chem

[mighty belfry]

I have a group of friends that I play darktide with but I am terrified to take them into havoc lmao

[charred bronze]

I was using it to do the penance and it was pretty fun. I still prefer melee that has some option to kill armor though, even with a needler available

[next cedar]

it makes

the infected enemy a explosive

[supple torrent]

it was funny seeing it wipe out a horde but its starting to get annoying after a couple of times. makes my launcher feel inadequate.

[next cedar]

its why i use mark 2

[lost bear]

Lmfao

[next cedar]

it causes the toxin to spread through the entire horde

[novel quest]

THAT SENDS PEOPLE FLYING??? THATS WHY I KEEP GETTING PUSHED BACK MY FUCKING TEAMMATES ARE DOING SPLODEY NEEDLES

[next cedar]

as they start popping

[obsidian crown]

It’s wild to me that people think because they can’t do something, others can’t

[next cedar]

instead of exploding

lmao

yes

the mark 4 needle gun makes stuff explode

[mighty belfry]

I mean arbitrator is not really known for good carapace damage tbh

[supple trellis]

i think its the event zombies.. when you headshot them

not the chem explosion

[mighty belfry]

It can crowd control the fuck out of them

[next cedar]

did you all not test both marks in the meat grinder

[lost bear]

I got fucked up once by an Arby shooting a wave, got yeeted off the level by about 12 of them exploding

[mighty belfry]

But, it feels lacking in the actual damage department.

[supple torrent]

Wait that's from toxin? I thought it was a mdoifier

[limber cradle]

Thats not why, I genuinely dont believe you cause I ran a bunch of arb set ups and I stopped playing them cause the damage felt like ass compared to vet.

Especially shield Maul

[next cedar]

the thing the explosive one doesnt do much dmg aoe

[dense hollow]

no the event is causing the infected poxwalkers to explode

[limber cradle]

I wanted to like that thing

[coral mirage]

It’s a modifier

[next cedar]

and it has knockback thats about it

[lost bear]

The impulse is deffo from the modifier

[next cedar]

the mark 2 spreads the chem dots to all in the horde

[charred bronze]

if you use the arbites maul and chain light heavy it kills the absolute shit out of armor

[supple torrent]

ok phew. got real concerned

[novel quest]

ooohhh I see

[obsidian crown]

Sure.

[lost bear]

Tbf Arby Maul is DS level good

[mighty belfry]

Still not as fast as other options. But it is better than shmaul at least.