hivescum-class

[muted holly]

because weak spot damage isn't calculated the sensible way

[placid drum]

One causes a explosion and one causes the chem toxin to spread to others nearby as the alt fire

[amber sundial]

6 applies +2 stacks on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies explode for stagger
2 applies +1 stack on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies apply chem tox to others

[muted holly]

and whichever dev at FartShack made that decision needs to be dragged into the street and shot in the weakspot

[compact oyster]

there isnt a meta build for the sawn off

[lyric shuttle]

Blue needle pistol - capreace yellow toxin for other??

[hazy vector]

This shotgun just clears entire lines of enemies

[amber sundial]

blue is the AOE yellow is single target

[compact oyster]

all needle pistols can penentrate and deal DOT damage to carapace

[lyric shuttle]

Oh then what's the difference between the marks im confused

[manic wolf]

I do be enjoying Manstopper gaming, but it became significantly less good with the Havoc release

[whole wren]

so for 2K hours i have been unknowingly handicapping myself. i absolutely hate this so much

well i guess it helped me get better at dodging because i took longer to kill shit

[amber sundial]

6 applies +2 stacks on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies explode for stagger
2 applies +1 stack on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies apply chem tox to others

blue and yellow are the firing modes

[manic wolf]

Still funny to turn an entire clown car of ragers into chum tho

[lyric shuttle]

Oh thank u

[whole wren]

either way this is so painful.

[lyric shuttle]

So 6 better for caprace I guess

[whole wren]

i hate this.

[muted holly]

I'd still say 2 is superior

[lyric shuttle]

Or would 2 be better for crusher trains to spread toxins

[amber sundial]

it depends if you want to use alt fire

[manic wolf]

2 is just better all round tbh

[amber sundial]

if you plan on using alt fire def use 2, if you dont, use 6

[muted holly]

getting free chem toxin stacks on surrounding enemies is vastly superior to staggering enemies

[manic wolf]

Horde delete in blue mode, single target delete in yellow mode

[novel quest]

doom super shotgun

[manic wolf]

People aint talking about Hotshot on Needler tho, which is super good as you pierce more trash with the spread needles and thusly spread more toxin = bigger horde control

[dense hollow]

too bad there's not a DB stance victory pose

[muted holly]

I hate all of the victory poses for Scummer

[placid drum]

I normally use the needle pistol only really on specials,ogyrn enimies and bosses

[versed spruce]

Why are they allergic to making actually neat poses

[manic wolf]

Needler is just chem grenade, but with more than 3 uses in some scenarios ngl

[versed spruce]

Who cares about a guy standing in the default shiv standing stance

[placid drum]

True

[dense hollow]

honestly just seeing one of the victory poses is the idle pose for shivs is kind of painful

like it could be anything else

[versed spruce]

Most victory poses are awkward and/or hunched over dudes trying to look cool

[placid drum]

I have a build centered around spreading as much chem toxin to debuff foes and just dance around them

[dense hollow]

it could be a pose of scum lunging at the screen with the shivs

[manic wolf]

Objectively the best Scummer pose

It has that "Yeah I didnt die and outdamaged you all" arrogance Scum should have

(I died like three times)

[placid drum]

I still use that one pose myself

[exotic lynx]

boom bringer takes way too damn long to shoot

[placid drum]

I look like a discount slayer bardin with how i made my scum look

[pale sandal]

Bone Saw Cosmetic Idea?

[exotic lynx]

I thoguht it'd be my favorite grenade but it turns out its the worst

[manic wolf]

Holy mall ninja

[manic wolf]

"Worst" but still has its niche

[exotic lynx]

too damn long

to shoot

[manic wolf]

Its not outright bad, its just not competing with the other two options

It also gets significantly better with Pocket Toxin

[muted holly]

it's actually outright bad

[exotic lynx]

often times i pull it out and that 2 seconds that it needs to lock on to a target, i get shot or something and my reticle gets knocked off target and then I miss

[pale sandal]

Personally, idc, Rocket Launcher

[muted holly]

problem with rocket launcher is that it's worse than kraks in every way

[manic wolf]

Nah, it can remove Bulwark walls or remove everything around someone for a res

[compact oyster]

how it feels putting some actual fuckshit on my needle pistol since it legit makes 0 difference on a grey or gold one

[muted holly]

it's full damage radius is smaller than a krak

[pale sandal]

Ok but bad Kraks or No Kraks?

[hazy vector]

event servers are unplayable mess

[placid drum]

Boom bringer has its uses as a blitz tbh

[muted holly]

doesn't matter that it has a maximum blast radius of 25m

[hazy vector]

i cannot do a single fuckn match

[muted holly]

compared to chem grenade? the answer is obvious

[novel quest]

you know what other grenade the hive scum has that can do that with double the efficiency

[sturdy linden]

Much better aoe

[manic wolf]

Full damage, yes, but thats not factoring into still passable damage for most of the AoE and the entire AoE can apply Pocket Toxin

[novel quest]

the blinder🥀🥀🥀🥀

[muted holly]

ammo limitation negates that argument entirely

[hazy vector]

No, rocket can headshot

[placid drum]

Blinder with added chem toxin on top is lovely

[pale sandal]

Blinder 😭

[manic wolf]

This is the biggest issue with it yeah

[placid drum]

A mini chem nade

[bronze glade]

i think i'm fucked

[manic wolf]

If it had 4 charges by default and an extra one from perk, it would be S tier

[muted holly]

I really wanted to make rocket launcher my go-to

I had high hopes

[eager hull]

you ran out of supplies 🥀

[novel quest]

same but it's just not good

[whole wren]

so out of curiosity, does crit damage actually do anything or is it also worthless

[novel quest]

it needs buffs

[muted holly]

it just isn't

[placid drum]

Mmhmm but then i feel like they would need to give the ogyrn more ogyrnhimer grenades to be fair

[sturdy linden]

Idk why people complain about rockets, if we had a regenerating Ogrynheimer-on-a-stick, everyone would be losing their minds

[muted holly]

as a perk on weapons? avoid as well

[manic wolf]

Like this isnt poxy damage or radius at all, its just avaliability where it falls flat

[plucky girder]

any bonesaw enjoyers? i dont really get it, im prolly coping but i swear the brittle mode isnt even worth using

[muted holly]

you can shoot at a group of crushers and kill only 2 of the 5

[whole wren]

does it reduce the damage as well or is it just not as valuable as increasing how many crits you can get

[pale sandal]

Yeah fuck brittle mode Chem Tox all the way

[sturdy linden]

Brittle mode is only worth vs Crushers IMO. And you need cleave talents for the saw in general

[manic wolf]

Nah, thats a literal screenwipe, Big Boomer dont do that

[tender forge]

I mostly use it on crushers and bosses if another scum is there

[muted holly]

same damage calculation as weak spot damage, so avoid

[versed spruce]

It's only giving you a + to that specific part of the damage calculation
Armor type +25%s are always, always more worth

[plucky girder]

am i crazy or have they fucked up like every single "stance switch" special

[whole wren]

im going to fucking loose it.

[plucky girder]

outside of power up ones like yknow

power sword

[whole wren]

HOW

HOW DO YOU FK THIS UP???

[manic wolf]

Like I mentioned, Pocket Toxin massively increases its efficacy in nearly every situation

[muted holly]

or, hear me out, just throw a chem grenade

[pale sandal]

The Crowbar secondary mode FUCKS

[manic wolf]

Bulwark wall? Not any fucking more

[muted holly]

vastly superior

in every way

[plucky girder]

did NOT feel good when i used it last, nothing has felt comparable to the shivs for me so far

[muted holly]

rocket launcher needs to do full damage to a much wider area

[novel quest]

it's really good yeah

[sturdy linden]

It's guaranteed stagger.

[muted holly]

it's also a talent tree design fail that none of the grenades have any upgrade nodes

[versed spruce]

On demand staggering a crusher is crazy good

[plucky girder]

death is my prefered method of cc

[pale sandal]

Bulwarks? Wrong! The Chem Tox is coming

[versed spruce]

Same with opening a bulwark if you dodge around its side

[novel quest]

probably just missing something. crowbar requires a good investment

[whole wren]

meanwhile me running the stuns with the chemtox stacks, I love being able to have regenerating grenades that do soemthing

[hazy vector]

I KEEP DISCONNECTING FROM EVENT

[manic wolf]

Im not sure I agree with that. Its very strong, but its not targeted in the same way, an its got the same avaliability problem, but way I see it, they fulfill different roles entirely. One is area denial, an the other is "Fuck those guys in particular"

[rustic zinc]

Personally I'd be fine with Ghetto Ogryn Bomb if there was just a little "every 300 kills near you, you scavenge a free rocket" or something like htat. Just some bit of sustain to the blitz.

[muted holly]

but it's not "fuck those guys" at all

[sturdy linden]

You can bully an entire pack of crushers with it because their stagger reduction doesn't work against it.

[plucky girder]

i mean i am still leveling

[manic wolf]

Though Ima be real, neither the Boom Bringer or Chem Nades hold a candle to Blackouts

[burnt barn]

is it just me or is there some crazy sound bug with the dual submachines

[pale sandal]

It just feels absolutely brutal to tear off a dudes skull cap with the forked end of the crowbar

[muted holly]

it's "fuck at best a couple of the guys, inconvenience the rest, and oops I have no more ammo"

[hazy vector]

actually pretty sure with same build shivs would do it faster

[novel quest]

yea you need a full build for crowbar to shine. it's great tho

[burnt barn]

that just replays the sound when nobody is firing

[plucky girder]

i cant lie the chem tox grenade is "fuck everything not in particular"

[vernal sluice]

yeah I hate this penance so much

[novel quest]

I can try it

[vernal sluice]

ts makes no sense 💔

[manic wolf]

Its area denial

[rustic zinc]

They're my favorite, but honestly I do think Chem Nades are probably better.

[placid drum]

That ones not to bad just time consuming

[plucky girder]

it kinda just kills everything personally

[muted holly]

the rocket launcher needs to do what the ogryn's big grenade does

[manic wolf]

Which is super valuable, Im not arguing that its not, Im just sayin I dont think Boomer is useless like people make it out to be

[plucky girder]

wheres that one taner clip

[muted holly]

it needs to clear a room

[vernal sluice]

it really showcases how rancidly bad that part of the stimm tree is

[torpid cloud]

That's so sad ngl

[muted holly]

either lean into the blast aspect of it, or lean into the armor piercing aspect of it

[versed spruce]

[muted holly]

one or the other

instead it does neither

[placid drum]

Yea once i was done with it i switched back to my old chem set up

[manic wolf]

I would 100000% take more charges/a way to renew charges over bigger AoE an like its not even remotely close

[rustic zinc]

Got a double-Monstrosity rocket kill earlier. Was nice haha.

[pale sandal]

Oh you think THAT takes a long time? Try being a Show Enjoyer and having the penances all be "Be High for 2000s"

[vernal sluice]

I can already tell you I can't wait to ditch that entire branch lol

[plucky girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKPtTu74JGc

[muted holly]

like I said, it's in identity crisis

[plucky girder]

the funni

[whole wren]

honestly I'd like it to not be as large as the ogryns grenade but still it should 100% have a bigger AOE

[torpid cloud]

Tanner watcher

[muted holly]

it's not as good as krak grenades

[pale sandal]

Or "Apply 6 bajillion stacks of Fent Poisoning while High"

[placid drum]

Yeeeeea i did do that one but i was like this is fine as i was zooted on chems for so long already

[plucky girder]

yall hate literally all of the darktide utubers it kills me

[muted holly]

and using it for its AoE is really bad compared the alternatives

[manic wolf]

Noone hates Reggie?

People just dont like the certified clowns

[torpid cloud]

Reggie my beloved

[pale sandal]

Reggie is pretty cool

[novel quest]

it's about the same ttk

[manic wolf]

Ye he's a top guy

[pale sandal]

Got called a Neo Nazi for enjoying his content though.

[manic wolf]

Tf?

[calm aurora]

How?

[manic wolf]

Why??

[plucky girder]

reginald or is there another guy literally called reggi?

[neon fern]

https://tenor.com/view/hotline-miami-jacket-gif-14814157847756369915

[versed spruce]

I tolerate them all except for Tanner, because he's an annoying little 4channite who harasses community managers and tries to painfully integrate himself into communities that don't want him

[manic wolf]

Reginald

[torpid cloud]

Well you need to learn to separate the art from the artist

[pale sandal]

He... makes edgy jokes?

[placid drum]

Feel like if one breaths the wrong way you get called that sometimes

[manic wolf]

Ahh yes, because that qualifies you for being a nazi in this day and age, I forget sometimes

[oak cipher]

Wtf the Enhanced penence is super dumb, you can only get progress on it by regenerating Toughness but you have super good regeneration and you have to play bad to get hit all the time to loose any Toughness. Wtf?

[calm aurora]

Reginald? Edgy??!

[pale sandal]

Cuz Fent

[torpid cloud]

It's better on stim supply, I'd hope it counts that

[whole wren]

no no he's just clinically insane

[placid drum]

I got it done by walking up to a add screaming "HIT ME IN THE FACE" and when they did i injected my chem and said thank you and then killed them

[calm aurora]

You mean Tanner.

[muted holly]

tox bombers are how you get the enhanced penance done faster

[whole wren]

unless we're talking about a different reginald

[muted holly]

that and using stim box

[toxic dagger]

Wait Reginald? That can't be right. He's a golden retriever

[tight musk]

Full hive scum team and...no one died. There were some downs, but no one actually died.

Not bad.

[calm aurora]

Tanner is a femboy that likes cocks. Reginald is a regular guy.

[whole wren]

dude i never watch darktide youtubers unless someone puts a video in my face and even then i sometimes just don't look

[plucky girder]

ngl ive yet 2 use anything other than rampage

[random shuttle]

Yeah I am Confused too 😄

[plucky girder]

i love me fent

[calm aurora]

Also Hank you can mod me.

[pale sandal]

He's a slime guy who has taken what I've taken

[whole wren]

now wait a minute what's wrong with the first one

[random shuttle]

Plenty, but none of what's listed in that sentence.

[calm aurora]

That's 2 different persons

[pale sandal]

Exposed yourself

[toxic dagger]

Yeah let's not be homophobic or something please

[whole wren]

lmao

[trim wind]

That Reginald is a maniac, tanner is on the straight and narrow for sure

[whole wren]

maybe

[muted holly]

hopefully not in public, that's illegal

[torpid cloud]

Hey now calm down there

[gray wharf]

I'm increasingly convinced that nimble is broken

[whole wren]

im going to be honest i didn't even take that as homophobic

[toxic dagger]

Nimble has a misleading description but its code works correctly

[tight musk]

Tanner is Mr E's...wife? Husband?

[torpid cloud]

I'm increasingly convinced that nimble is fun as hell and everyone should take it

[sturdy linden]

I tried a few games with and without and got hurt more without so Imma just roll with it

[gray wharf]

Nimble is fun

[versed spruce]

The dodge recovery speed....

So yum

[gray wharf]

But I feel like I get shot to shit with it

[whole wren]

don't worry im too much of an anxiety ridden mess to do that

[calm aurora]

It's not homophobic lol. But some people well...

[pale sandal]

Can we get a Yuri Blast ability

[toxic dagger]

It increases your dodge distance but actually decreases the duration because it speeds up your dodge, so the window to dodge bullets is a little smaller. It does actually improve dodge linger which is the stat that prevents enemy melee attacks from tracking you while you move so it makes you more slippery in melee combat.

[calm aurora]

Works correctly. Are we sure that the code is doing what was specified?

[whole wren]

tbh it was just a goof, considering the ammount of queer people here i highly doubt that it would ever be intended to be like that in the first place

[sturdy linden]

Ohhh.. so basically it's really damn good for melee

[cedar cairn]

You can just say Tanner's a fuckin idiot without being whole nazi about it

[sturdy linden]

which is fine IMO

[random shuttle]

I love being slippery ||in melee combat||

[versed spruce]

Venting Shriek

[gray wharf]

Ah, so it gimps the dodge against ranged?

[azure mist]

Biden blast

[gray wharf]

Maybe I just won't use it without toughness regen on ranged hits

[toxic dagger]

Gimp is a big word

[knotty grotto]

should this clarification maybe be pinned since nimble's a big faq rn

[versed spruce]

If that's what you're Periling to, that's what's coming out

[toxic dagger]

I think it's worth getting the extra distance. Use it to get behind cover or something.

[plucky girder]

despite his feral nature ive yet to hear anything falt out wrong from tanner? granted ive watched like a total of 3 videos

[versed spruce]

No. Fatshark loves misinformation so this server should represent those core values.

[sturdy linden]

feel free to watch his Ogryn videos, they're full of misinformation

[pale sandal]

That's Austism Shriek

[sturdy linden]

[knotty grotto]

LMFAO

[muted holly]

I think discussing youtubers on a personal level is a waste of everyone's time

[robust talon]

best settup for crowbar?

[toxic dagger]

There was the time when he claimed that a Fatshark developer asked him to give his thoughts on how he'd rebalance Darktide to be more like Vermintide

[whole wren]

yes!

[toxic dagger]

While he's blacklisted as fuck and nobody from FS speaks to him

[toxic dagger]

That was funny

[pale sandal]

Side Note: being a Psyker must be sensory hell

[unborn glade]

hive scum

[tulip axle]

my unbiased opinion

[whole wren]

also, another question, can you stack both bleed and tox or does it not work like that?

[dense hollow]

2 seperate dots of course you can

[manic wolf]

No, because ranged targeting is broken on your dodge anyway, and given you can dodge again straight away afterwards, you're essentially able to chain them together and dance around ranged enemies like they're not even there

[dim moth]

all of these things on the left seem like things I already do???

[knotty grotto]

bone saw dump's also mobility im assuming?

[sturdy linden]

always run Opportunist because alt mode guarantees stagger basically. I use Superiority alongside

[pearl ore]

might i reccomend the fire shotgun with crit change per multiple enemies hit, and crit causes bleed perks

[random shuttle]

No Can Opener? Criminal 😄

[pearl ore]

what with its

infinite cleave fire shot

that can prob the bleed

[pale sandal]

Gordon Freeman from WhatsApp

[pearl ore]

and maxes the crit bonus every time you shoot

[sturdy linden]

honestly, Opportunist is just better. No stacking required, damage is available from the get go.

[pearl ore]

and toxin

[muted holly]

can opener is way too good to not take on the crowbar

[random shuttle]

Well sir

[sturdy linden]

could run both though but overkill IMO

[muted holly]

you might as well not even use the crowbar, then

[random shuttle]

that is why I run Can Opener + Opportunist

[sturdy linden]

[pearl ore]

incidentally

[sturdy linden]

I like Superiority more

[pale sandal]

I can only get so aroused stop

[pearl ore]

crowbar works really good on a heavy sword setup

[whole wren]

now that would be pretty silly

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/count-dooku-christopher-lee-star-wars-gif-23719747

[calm aurora]

You could even do 3

[pearl ore]

id been trying to make the funny dot shotgun work as a gun zealot build for a while

[manic wolf]

If only Crowbar could swap mode mid swing an didnt get stuck on random shit as you try to pick a Mauler out in a crowd ¬.¬

[sturdy linden]

also the alt mode light attacks have pretty crazy stagger too fwiw

[muted holly]

the light attacks also apply brittleness

[pearl ore]

but it's found its home

[sturdy linden]

found that out yesterday while bonking a mass of ragers in an atonement event

[random shuttle]

There is only one Combat Shotgun

Agri my beloved.

[versed spruce]

gealot will never be real

[dim moth]

zarona my beloved

[alpine hazel]

What jank annoys you on this class

[pale sandal]

Just keep it in Gordan Freeman Mode

[random shuttle]

So many people are so surprised when I whip out my Agri and destroy a boss with shooting

[whole wren]

-# ok so my brain may have SLIGHTLY died on me when typing that.

[muted holly]

the requirement to not be in an animation in order to switch modes is the only downside for the crowbar, imo

[sturdy linden]

the jank where I sometimes eat 2 hits and die

[pearl ore]

it actually didnt suck as a support build

[sturdy linden]

[knotty grotto]

im forgetting where the info on this is, but how does rending and brittleness differ again?

[pearl ore]

but like

[alpine hazel]

Nothing

[random shuttle]

Rending is attached to you, Brittleness is a debuff on enemies.

Functionally do same thing.

[versed spruce]

Did it need a vet for ammo upkeep?

[muted holly]

so very wrong

[pearl ore]

there wasnt a specific reason to use the funny shotgun on zealot over arby over psyker

[whole wren]

after learning about both crit damage and weakspot damage being ass im questioning everything a little

[alpine hazel]

Nope

[muted holly]

yep

[tight musk]

Rending is a buff for you, brittleness is a debuff on enemy and helps the rest of the team.

[pearl ore]

nah, i was only really using it as a fire hose with the special to apply dots so it was SUPER ammo efficient

the thing is

[muted holly]

location of the buff/debuff matters

[pearl ore]

psyker can also run it AND soulblaze

[manic wolf]

Yeah for the most part, though I really dislike a random poxwalker eating the beak end because it decided to cross your reticule as you swung at something armoured

[pearl ore]

so whats really the point of taking it on zealot

[calm aurora]

There's one source of rending but can't be several 3 sources of brittleness

[knotty grotto]

oooh i should experiment with both can opener and opportunist then lol

[versed spruce]

Personality

[pale sandal]

I wish Scum got a couple more weapons

[random shuttle]

Works like a charm

[pearl ore]

IS there away to get chem toxin on ranged shots?

[knotty grotto]

do yall just light spam for hordes on crowbar? or pa > heavy spam?

[vast yoke]

how the fuck do i complete this. it does NOT seem to apply from self injecting the cartel special unless its some fucked up bullshit

[calm aurora]

Iirc vet and hs have their own brittleness existing separately from general brittleness

[kind mist]

heavy 2 light

[sturdy linden]

PA-heavy to build up my cleave stacks and then start bonking

sometimes PA-heavy in between for safety

[versed spruce]

The first heavy is technically a strikedown, so I like to do PA, Light, Heavy

[manic wolf]

Pretty sure Penetrating Flame on Psyker stick is like that too

[versed spruce]

And loop light heavy

Mix in more PAs whenever I feel like it

[alpine hazel]

I’m ngl the heavy attack cleave on crowbar seems mid, it takes forever to kill hordes. I’m like 90% sure the 50% cleave on hitting 3 enemies buff doesn’t trigger

[knotty grotto]

when rampage is up im assuming the buffs get so nuts you can just light spam tho? lol

[alpine hazel]

It does not appear on the buff bar

[versed spruce]

Pretty much if you want to spam uptime

[sturdy linden]

the issue with that talent is that it literally only applies to the next attack, so i just don't use it

[knotty grotto]

gotcha

[pearl ore]

here there my crowcurious chap

[knotty grotto]

im still undecided between chem dependency and adrenaline

[thorn prawn]

Inject whenever your thoughness is low with the bad toughness regen stim lab branch. The +25% thoughness and the rest of the regeneration gives you something more like 50-60% toughness

[alpine hazel]

Fr? I thought they stopped doing this when they fixed that shitty zealot talent which had the same problem

[pearl ore]

how would YOU like to run my crowbar build and give me gamefeel feedback?

[thorn prawn]

Share with us, pal

[dim moth]

veteran, zealot, and psyker

zealot and psyker from the brittleness blessing on the flamers

[sturdy linden]

if you're using Rampage, chem dependency will get you more uptime of Rampage. If you're using crate, then Adrenaline is better

[dim moth]

and veteran...

[dim moth]

wait exploit weakness doesn't do that anymore

[umbral dagger]

Get the toughness replenishment in the stimm i think you NEED Barrage 5 and if you want Regain.
Then when you low on toughness use the stim to regain. that should do the trick i think.

[dim moth]

so not veteran

[knotty grotto]

lmao RNGesus is trying to tell me something, hive scum has to be the fastest i've gotten perfect rolls for weapons

just from the shop too

[random shuttle]

Nothing crazy but

[knotty grotto]

i havent bought generics yet

[random shuttle]

I like it.

[pearl ore]

the idea of the build is constantly shoot up stims and beat everything to death

[knotty grotto]

thank u!

[vernal sluice]

praise be it's fucking done

now I just need to win 50 more missions

[brittle sierra]

What's the melee?

[knotty grotto]

beautiful

[calm aurora]

You are so right:
This blessing's rending debuff is unique: rending_burn_debuff. It stacks 20 times and applies a rending_multiplier of 1% per stack. This debuff being unique also means that it is, in regard to the total rending amount on an enemy, in fact a separate debuff which stacks additively with the regular rending debuff ('brittleness') from weapon blessings Armourbane, Can Opener, Rending Shockwave, Shattering Impact, Supercharge, Thunderous, and from Arbitrator's Serrated Maw, Ogryn's Brutish Strength, and Veteran's Onslaught. It also stacks additively with the other unique rending debuffs from Exterminator Shotgun Mk VIII (weapon special) and Bone Saw Mk IV (weapon special coating

[pearl ore]

crowbar/ heavy sword

knife and shivs work too but you gotta be way more mobile

[thorn prawn]

Here I am having spent half of my net worth to do the same

[oak cipher]

did you stand in fire or smth to get the Enhanced done?

[brittle sierra]

bottom Right side is weak without the cleaver

[knotty grotto]

BRUH

[amber sundial]

legit the easit way lol

[knotty grotto]

i just got dual stub, needle pistol, and dual auto all perfect roll

[calm aurora]

And arbites with the mk8

[knotty grotto]

in one shop

[pearl ore]

if you try it let me know how it feels

[knotty grotto]

unless dual auto dump is collateral and not mobility? lol

[novel quest]

what Mark on the Devil's Claw and Heavy Sword?

[thorn prawn]

Personally, yeah

[brazen basalt]

Best desperado range weapon?

[dim moth]

Dclaw VII, hsword IX

[calm aurora]

Dclaw mk7 or mk4

[random shuttle]

IAG Vraks

[thorn prawn]

Collateral makes things jitter and stagger. Harder to shoot head

[vernal sluice]

yeah, and tox gas

[oak cipher]

lol

[sturdy linden]

no DR nodes, no +1 dodge, no double shout, no base damage increase from tox'd enemies despite taking tox on crit... what tomfoolery is this

[dim moth]

7 is better by miles

[tight musk]

Can't wait to be done with boom bringer penances so I never have to use it ever again.

[dim moth]

has actual flak damage

and best parry combo

[knotty grotto]

like lmao damn ok fatshark i'll main hive scum

[vernal sluice]

trying to plop the crate down when teammates lost their toughness barely worked

[calm aurora]

Depends. HS 7 pretty goated too

[pearl ore]

I needed those points for other stuff

[knotty grotto]

i just need shivs now and a good vraks

i miss vraks

[alpine hazel]

Managing your team’s toughness is a fool’s endeavor anyone who’s played vet as a “””support”””” would know this

[calm aurora]

Some people like the H1 on mk4. Like Cole.

[versed spruce]

Funny that my rampage build's ranged weapon is brauto and is used nigh exclusively as a suppression stick

[pearl ore]

I was trying to cheat into dumping the grenade talent point earlier

[thorn prawn]

Teammates just run off out of the range anyway

[novel quest]

this is also the answer to "best ranged weapon" just saying

[dim moth]

and they are wrong for this

[vernal sluice]

preach

[vernal sluice]

[calm aurora]

Accatran shotgun is pretty good at that too

[novel quest]

can't believe I almost got gaslit by mr Pee into thinking the Vraks IAG is bad

[versed spruce]

I barely entrust it with the task of killing what I'm shooting, and when I do, it doesn't do it very well

[vernal sluice]

teammates are allergic to crate

[dim moth]

I "manage" my team's toughness by playing exe vet and just shooting things

[calm aurora]

You can just shut down reaper instantly

[brittle sierra]

Yeah this build is kinda cheeks ngl

Like where is he damage?

[dim moth]

THE death laser that instantly kills anything you shoot at close range

[pearl ore]

🤷

it reliably beats everything to death for me

[novel quest]

yea that's "bad"💔💔💔💔

[versed spruce]

Will have to test this out in the psykh

[sturdy linden]

that's good but that doesn't mean you're not making objectively shit choices in the tree. Like, who the hell takes +75% coherency

[umbral dagger]

Mk4 has a way easier combo allowing you more easily to focus on other things. Because attacking requires very little to no thought. Tho i did eventually swapped to mk 7 But i can def see the charm of 4

[glad latch]

Yeah, kind of annoying when they do that. The crate needs a lot of work to be better anyway.

[versed spruce]

Columnus Vraks IAG was so good they had to change the name

Now people don't run it anymore out of confusion

[pearl ore]

I like 75% coherency

[calm aurora]

You can also burn to death bullwarks buses with the special

[brittle sierra]

I can beat everything in my auric games with a grey weapon

I don't think that means it is good

[versed spruce]

This is Fatshark's balance methodology

[pearl ore]

you could take pouches I guess

[sturdy linden]

I think the crate is fine tbh, I just don't appreciate the interaction between crate and chem dependency.

[random shuttle]

The moment I realized I can have Vraks on Despacito build

[sturdy linden]

the crate is a quick-to-deploy 15s buff for your team

[random shuttle]

I ascended to godhood.

[vernal sluice]

crate needs work

[sturdy linden]

that's basically it

[pearl ore]

i wasnt saying here is my cracked refined havoc build

I was saying heres a fun build what swings the crowbar fast

[vernal sluice]

by extension, the toughness branch of custom stimms needs to be reworked into something worth using

[random shuttle]

Amd with my IAG Despacito build did my first and only Solo Auric Maelstrom today

[amber sundial]

change instant replenishment to toughness per second, change coherency regen to replenishment

ez

[calm aurora]

Why do people like +1 dodge on ranged? It's not like you can't get them back fast.

[amber sundial]

it actually does something compared to reduced threat lol

[glad latch]

Yeah, but HS using an actual ult will outdo whatever the allies will do with the buffs generally, if the allies even decide to get the damn buffs

[sturdy linden]

emergency button for when a Reaper gets a bead on you in the open

[random shuttle]

Well

[muted holly]

because the alternative is dropping aggro on sprint

[burnt barn]

what stim setup is everyone running

[brittle sierra]

Because untouchable is literally useless

Hell it can be detrimental

[muted holly]

which is a bad teamplay-oriented choice anyways

[random shuttle]

once you're out of dodges when surrounded by goons and trapper is click clacking their net that +1 extra dodge feels pretty good! 😄

[versed spruce]

And on a Rampage build at that

[amber sundial]

man i sure do want my enemies running past me when im trying to melee

[muted holly]

the way the talent tree is right now, that choice is a point tax

[amber sundial]

this is definitely helpful

[versed spruce]

Who actually gaf about their ranged weapon on Rampage build

?

[calm aurora]

[novel quest]

dual stubs and needler are good options

[random shuttle]

On Rampage build you get a COVID Pistol and that's the build 😄

[woeful hill]

I use shredder auto

[sturdy linden]

sometimes? If you have an exec stance bolter vet on your team then you don't really need to go Despacito. Rampage Scum is great but if you already have Zealot / Ogryn / Arbi on your team then a crate will let all of you pump out serious hurt. Again, I really do think it's pretty decent even if it's not bonkers OP like Despacito

[novel quest]

is shredder auto even good on this class

[dense hollow]

yeah

[woeful hill]

yes

[novel quest]

or is it just for the gangster style aiming

[amber sundial]

honestly stim crate will be better when lobbies arent 4 hive gangers

[umbral dagger]

Shredder is honestly pretty good on all classses xD

[woeful hill]

it has run and gun built in

I sprint shoot it

[novel quest]

oh

huh

[azure mist]

Shredder auto is busted on it lmao

[novel quest]

with the bonus close range on sprint?

[azure mist]

Shit you can run Calva on it also can’t you

[glad latch]

I usually just default to taking the dual stubs or a needle gun and then invest a single point for sticky hands, bam, ranged sorted out for melee build.

[versed spruce]

Stim crate will be better when it's not stim crate and they turn it into something much more interesting

Which is to say never

[azure mist]

Pinning + Calva so you can abuse Vultures Dodge

[devout bison]

How do hyper critical and hyper violence affect each other? Does hyper-crit break hyper violence?

[versed spruce]

(Has never used stim crate ^)

[amber sundial]

hyper crit makes you deal 0 overkill dmg

[sturdy linden]

hyper crit breaks Precision Violence, is the more important thing

[novel quest]

ye this is an anti-synergy

[sturdy linden]

so do not

use

[brittle sierra]

So why did you post it? 🤔

This is the chat room that revolves around giving people advice about the class

[azure mist]

I can tell cause you don’t understand peak

[novel quest]

take one or the other but never both

[amber sundial]

what yall run for stim on crate builds (actual stims, not just tox bombing)

[obsidian crown]

Or go on a skill based rant about why this class is dogshit

[pearl ore]

someone asked me too

[sturdy linden]

mix of strength and CDR because generic. Gets it to ~56s CD

[brittle sierra]

And you think it is good advice for them?

[glad latch]

I find the crate very situational (well apart from the crate bomber build, then it can be spammed everywhere) and getting the random allies to comply with taking the buffs is kind of annoying and makes the crate less useful because of that.

[pearl ore]

I think its a fun build

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-woman-vivian-slippery-suckers-gif-22766047

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[pearl ore]

I could care less about ''good''

[novel quest]

that sounds strong

[devout bison]

so our only real toughness-sustaining ability? 🤣

[novel quest]

when I look at it

[brittle sierra]

So what did they ask for?

[pearl ore]

"A" crowbar build

I mentioned I was messing with one they asked me to post it

[sturdy linden]

I mean you just throw it down at their feet when they're tangling with a mob right, the lingering buff does the rest. It's particular good in chokes. Hell they just need to pass by it, the radius isn't even that terrible

[obsidian crown]

You baited a guy into asking you. This doesn’t count as someone straight up asking

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-2-gordon-freeman-crowbar-realcool27-gif-18008032247282433826

[devout bison]

I'm assuming Rampaging Backstab is also trash outside anything but backstabbinga boss?

[pearl ore]

oh yeah

[versed spruce]

Are you also a nuncio aquila liker

[pearl ore]

I forgot I did that

[glad latch]

Yeah, in chokepoints they can be forced to take their medicine so to speak.

[amber sundial]

if you have DOT active the talent is worthless

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[devout bison]

Does the second part of this have a stack cap? How nasty can it get on a double-barreled shotgun?

[zealous ravine]

behold

awesome stimm

[amber sundial]

lean stim

[azure mist]

No lmao

[muted holly]

I wish the stimm cooldown was easier to see at a glance

the fade effect is too subtle

[azure mist]

It literally nullifies all forms of corruption including Rodin mines

[trim wind]

MOD

err caps

[azure mist]

I’m unironically going to defend Chem crate

[muted holly]

is there already a mod for that?

[trim wind]

yes

[verbal dew]

ye

[muted holly]

figures, alright good

[verbal dew]

two even

[trim wind]

crate is solid

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sturdy linden]

are mods working now?

[azure mist]

God I love getting crate on stim and just removing all CDR from my tree cause it’s now based on getting the stimm and force feeding my team every buff in the game + corruption heal and immunity

So fucking dumb

[night moon]

uhm

[amber sundial]

20 kills.

1 grenade

[night moon]

a

thanks

[dim moth]

I be spamming stimm crate into blight spreads

nurgle can't hurt me because I don't want him to

[brittle sierra]

STIMNS HERE!

[random shuttle]

Not really. There are some temporary fixes up on modding server for big mods

and some new mods work well

[sturdy linden]

oh

[forest escarp]

all the ones i care about seem to be fine (mostly just hud and small qol stuff, granted)

[sturdy linden]

guess I'll just wait then

[dim moth]

also chem crate

[compact oyster]

for context i activated the altar at the end event

[manic wolf]

Show Crit Chance, FullAuto and PowerDI and Creature Spawner all work so thats enough for now

[dim moth]

giving the ENTIRE TEAM 20% strength and 10% crit chance/15% rending/25% finnesse

is a lot

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hulkenberg-eiselin-hulkenberg-metaphor-metaphor-refantazio-atlus-gif-17442015153544193767

[zenith pagoda]

Why do ppl say needle pistol desperado doesn't work?

[amber sundial]

chem tox kills dont count as ranged

[trim wind]

Doesn't synergize

Yea

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah so?

[dim moth]

the ABILITY not the blessing

desperado the blessing

does infact work

[trim wind]

That means you can't extend the duration

[amber sundial]

you're essentially playing with unenhanced desperado

[obsidian crown]

Why even use desperado ability with something that doesn’t work with it

[manic wolf]

I guess two or three freeloads are nice, but also massive overkill for Needler as its one of the most ammo efficient weapons in the game

[obsidian crown]

Most ranged talents don’t even work with needle pistol

[tranquil berry]

none of them do.

you buff the 30 damage the needle does

[winter galleon]

i wish could get into needler since it seems to be one of the stronger builds for this class but i like the uzis and pistolas too much :/

[bronze glade]

i really wished the radius was bigger but yeah the stimm crate as support is... ok

[tender marten]

give me the bisexual stim pls

[random shuttle]

@woeful hill out of pure interest, how you built your Shredda?

[bronze glade]

would be really good with a coordinated team

[brittle sierra]

Best range atm in general is probably the Vraks

[zenith pagoda]

The problem is that it only extends duration from ranged attacks

Otherwise it's fine

[woeful hill]

flak maniac, collat/mobility dump. pinning + blaze away for max power. swap blaze for calvacade for vulture cheese

[azure mist]

LMAO

[random shuttle]

nice pretty much exact as mine then, but need to try the Pinning

[woeful hill]

pinning best dps boost

[azure mist]

Okay? I’d say it’s finally a support tool that nearly rivals toughness Gen ones

[woeful hill]

blaze is close but always needs a full clip to empty to come close

[bronze glade]

80% of the time pubbies just ignore it

and never end up getting the benefits

[random shuttle]

gonna try it now thanks

I use Vraks on my Despacito

to grrrreat effect

[tranquil berry]

columnus culling

strong, but somehow feels too... professional....

[random shuttle]

I hear ya

less Hive Ganger

[muted holly]

is shredder comparable dps to dual smgs?

[random shuttle]

More Domestic Terrorist 😄

[woeful hill]

havent use twin smg

[muted holly]

not at all?

[woeful hill]

no

doesnt seem fun

[zealous ravine]

stimm pick up icons i think

or stimm icons or wahrever

new update

[tranquil berry]

the braced auto is funny as desperado

[muted holly]

well, I enjoy them

[azure mist]

Exact reason why I mark exactly where I’m gonna drop it even if it annoys them

[muted holly]

but I'll play with shredder as well, then

[azure mist]

Hell I need to get a mod that just gives a heads up when I’m dropping the crate

Like this is 90% why I’m even playing Scum

[tranquil berry]

quick_chat

[azure mist]

If I want melee or ranged gameplay I just play Vet

[bronze glade]

brauto is peak on HIV

[manic wolf]

Ranged Scummer is massive fun tho

[winter galleon]

i like scum ya but everytime i hop back on vet its like a different game

[bronze glade]

it's prob the only desperado build i'll run

[winter galleon]

so much easier

[azure mist]

I’ve just dumped too much time into Veteran so I’m simply always gonna roll back to him lmao

[tranquil berry]

cause VoC is OP, but otherwise... eh

[thorny ginkgo]

the autopistols have good stagger right

[bronze glade]

HIV is my side bitch

[knotty grotto]

i feel like i can't justify running stub pistols over needle/auto other than aura farming

[obsidian crown]

I’ve said this before. I’ll say it again. You can tell who’s really bad at awareness/aiming on desperado. The countless barrels or poxbursters going off has been crazy this update

[knotty grotto]

crazy given how desperado highlights the things u should be shootin

[sturdy linden]

I accidentally offed myself yesterday because I shot a burster emerging from tox gas

was doing pretty well till then actually

[knotty grotto]

is the shadow buff to bursters intended btw? or is it more a result of jank code?

[obsidian crown]

Except for barrels but yeah

[tranquil berry]

you missed the "should" part I think....

[knotty grotto]

if the burster's far enough away from everyone i do tend to shoot it, i don't trust push + backdodges this update

[obsidian crown]

Just a lot of spray and prayers is all

[knotty grotto]

it's burned me way too much

[sturdy linden]

I don't trust pubbies to push at all tbh

[obsidian crown]

If I’m in front, I’ll shoot it

[knotty grotto]

LOL that too

[sturdy linden]

I've eaten a lot of bursters because some clown refused to push

[obsidian crown]

If I’m in the middle of the group and I see a pox coming towards us

I just backup

[knotty grotto]

usually im on push duty but this update i just end up eating shit

LOL same

i just run atp

[vast yoke]

It seems you need Regain, from my limited testing you straight up dont get any Penance progress outside of the +25 toughness regain nodes. It's fucked

[manic wolf]

Kinda have to, risking it not getting pushed, shot or just randomly deciding to detonate is too much of a problem

[bright dove]

it feels like bursters are fucked rn

[manic wolf]

They are

[bronze glade]

laughs in spidey senses

[obsidian crown]

I’ve been knocked trying to push a few times to the point I gave up pushing

[mighty belfry]

They are

[sturdy linden]

bursters, dogs, netters, I think muties too

[toxic dagger]

Anyone have a build that focuses on the needle pistol?

[bright dove]

yeah and the bots being EXTRA fucked doesn't help

[obsidian crown]

Because teammates shoot it on me

[sturdy linden]

I had netter snatch me at 90 degrees day before yesterday

(after I dodged)

[bright dove]

i've had bots literally chase me while a burster chases them

[mighty belfry]

Something has changed with their explosion radius and targeting

[sturdy linden]

dogs don't have their wind up animation

bursters are just broke

[bronze glade]

huh

[bright dove]

so the burster can hit me

[obsidian crown]

They’re just jumping earlier

[mighty belfry]

That's been there.

[bronze glade]

i haven't noticed bursters tbh

[obsidian crown]

It’s more noticeable if you have shivs in my opinion

[compact oyster]

Bursters spawn alot more now

[bright dove]

oh i fucking noticed them alright

[manic wolf]

Idk ive had instances where they've been able to hit from nearly twice as far away as usual

[compact oyster]

Really really annoying

[mighty belfry]

Not even. I have been pushing with them in range and either they ignore it or they blow up and hit me despite being pushed back enough.

[tepid compass]

I agree, multiple times I swore I was far enough I was out of their zone but still took damage

[woeful hill]

I got my Dclaw stuck...

help

[obsidian crown]

Are you using shivs

[mighty belfry]

Any weapon

It happens on other classes too.

[obsidian crown]

I see. I notice it way more on shivs personally

[manic wolf]

Shame you missed his 'ead, mucka

[compact oyster]

also completely silent bursters

[bright dove]

feels like pushing them is a gamble, like they sometimes just dont start the explosion normally

[obsidian crown]

There’s a weird delay with push and backstep on shivs

For me

[compact oyster]

was fighting then legit around the corner spawns a burster

no noise or anything

[placid drum]

Pushing them is the proper way to deal with the bursters its just we got alot of people lost in the sauce that might shoot said burster

[bright dove]

shivs feeling off is smth i need to look into myself, i legit just used normal combat knife instead

[compact oyster]

nope

bursters didnt feel this bad before

[bright dove]

nah even when nobody shoots them they are tweaking

[placid drum]

I only really noticed the increase in bursters but thats about it

Maybe its just because as soon as i hear a burster beep im always on guard and back away from any doorway

[bright dove]

my man i have played this shit for long enough, i used to get hit by one burster per week of playing

[mighty belfry]

No there's legitimately something wrong with them.

[bright dove]

now they just feel completely off

[mighty belfry]

I've played this game for well over 3.3k hours and they've never felt this inconsistent before.

[shut pier]

Hey would anyone know what are the best perks and blessings for the needle gun on havoc 40?

[alpine hazel]

Is the extra dodge duration talent bugged? I was taking overheads like crazy using it but now I’ve removed it barely any issues

[placid drum]

ive played only just 1k hours of this game but yea i guess there being way to many is a thing but also chem toxin is a thing

[bright dove]

listen

it's not chem toxin

it's not people shooting them

[placid drum]

I aint saying your wrong

[bright dove]

people shoot them more as a response to them being fucked

[tight musk]

So far the only time I enjoyed using the rocket launcher was when a bunch of elite gunners were in a small corridor and I said "fuck you" and made them disappear.

[glad latch]

yep burster ai is completely borked.

[novel quest]

shivs are good in every context of build

[mighty belfry]

It is.

If you're running a slower weapon, it is much more noticeable.

[bright dove]

the obese megalodon is afraid of giving us a strong rocket launher because you're supposed to still be afraid of crushers

ignore the infinite krak printer

please god

ignore the infinite krak printer with a plasma gun

please you don't understand you are supposed to have high damage output but still be afraid of crushers please

[mighty belfry]

I usually run shivs and the dodge distance is so significant that it barely matters but it is 100% a bigger issue on say, bone saw or crowbar

[compact oyster]

reginald has also noticed that bursters and dodging are weird

[mighty belfry]

And the movement stim because movement stim best stim

[placid drum]

If i see a crusher and i have a bonesaw i slap on the slag surprise and just smack em

[glad stone]

anyone tested if this counts all kind of toughness gain?

[compact oyster]

nope

only the 25% or 50% from the stim

[mighty belfry]

You need the Regain stim

[bright dove]

i've been using regular combat knife because leveling the shivs from scratch feels so fucking bad

[winter galleon]

knife also has unnerfed uncanny

[placid drum]

If you want a easy way to do that one just dive deep into the toughness branch of the stim lab and get the one that gives you 25% toughness back right away

[mighty belfry]

What

[versed spruce]

I'm jealous that you get to play it that much

[bright dove]

i will just sink my whole stash of cash into hadron sacrifice instead

[winter galleon]

the shivs have like a 60% uncanny nerf on them

[compact oyster]

i wonder why...

[azure mist]

Every fucking time I see Stimmy-Turner I see a poxwalker before realizing it’s them bro

I’m going insane

[bright dove]

lmao yeah that too shivs have nerfed talents

[mighty belfry]

Yeah that's completely intentional.

[compact oyster]

a WHAT

[bright dove]

meanwhile the combat knife, my beloved

[torpid cloud]

okay hear me out
MOAR DODGES

[compact oyster]

stimmy turner is genuinely genious

[bright dove]

pure crack in weapon form

[glad stone]

if i inject stim and go inside psyker bubble
will all toughness gain from that regen count?

[tranquil berry]

No

[placid drum]

When i use shivs as hive scum i feel like a kerillan main from vermintide 2

[mighty belfry]

Until it gets nerfed

[glad stone]

ok thanks

[tranquil berry]

stim toughness regen is coherency regen, same as the curios

not great unless you stack a ton of it and hope to have allies that don't run all over the place

[azure mist]

That’s his Hive Scum

[compact oyster]

good name

[azure mist]

Blicky-Oblong is mine

My beloved

[tranquil berry]

best hive scum name is Gary

[glad stone]

wait im confused so the regular coherency regen is counted towards the penance?

[tranquil berry]

just Gary

[obsidian crown]

Thought it was Bob

[forest escarp]

oh wow, dbs desperado really is pretty cracked

[placid drum]

Yes if your chem is active its pretty shit way to do the penance

[tranquil berry]

nope, Gary

[glad stone]

as long as i have stim active

[forest escarp]

dr manhattan gaming

[bright dove]

yeah when they also nerf the dueling sword (for real this time), psyker cheese builds, and make the rippergun viable

[azure mist]

Long lost brother to @hardy spruce’s OblockySwitchion

[bright dove]

[obsidian crown]

Nope, Bob

[versed spruce]

Wdym

[sturdy linden]

mk6 ripper is fine, if you're not in Havoc anyway

[versed spruce]

Giving it a different weapon's entire schtick IS a nerf

[sturdy linden]

mk5 and mk2 are both great sidearms as well

[random shuttle]

Hmmm I didn't hate the Shredder but IAG is still my fav for Despacito

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I sense the shivs having nerfed uncanny is a tell that something is happening

[tranquil berry]

dunno what counts or not for the penance, but it doesn't matter. run a toughness stim maxed out until it's complete

[versed spruce]

When said weapon fucking sucks outside of said shtick, because that shtick is so strong

But yeah no DS just gets it

[mighty belfry]

Because it's still one of the top performing blessings even while nerfed.

[random shuttle]

nothing can beat my beloved

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-chud-chudjak-soyjak-90-seconds-to-nothing-gif-9277709574191520604

[bright dove]

oh no woe is me i cannot stunlock this enemy but have a designated panic button for dealing with rager swarms safely!

[random shuttle]

WEAPON OF GUN

[azure mist]

Trust me I want an uncanny nerf also though

[vernal sluice]

ALWAYS BET ON NOTHING 🗣️

[placid drum]

I still havent tried flesh tearer with coated weapons yet with the shivs

[azure mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[versed spruce]

It makes me sad that Fatshark's CEO's teenage son is clearly a dueling sword heresy main

[vernal sluice]

I played a bunch w flesh tearer on shivs

It was mid

[mighty belfry]

It's kinda awkward if I'll be honest.

[versed spruce]

Because why the fuck else would it get a tap on the wrist and then a massive reward in compensation

[bright dove]

i still yearn for the eventual 1:1 minotaur port from vt2

[torpid cloud]

what kinda stats do yall tke on your curios

[azure mist]

Imo I’d rather just run chem coated with precog and uncanny

[shut pier]

Hey would anyone know what are the two best perks and blessings for the needle gun on havoc 40?

[mighty belfry]

Especially since bleed doesn't really benefit from Hive Scums talents like say

Vet.

[azure mist]

Cause your DOT comes from Crit

[random shuttle]

I think it's important to always remember that FS doesn't cater to us - the few hundred power nerds storming the game like lunatics - but to the majority of their player base.

Last I recall MALICE was still most played difficulty 😄

[vernal sluice]

Or is a hindrance if you're running blinders

Bleed kills don't count to regenning blinders

[bronze glade]

def the difficulty level the devs are playing on too

[versed spruce]

, however it doesn't make sense even with that consideration

[placid drum]

I take 2 toughness curios with 1 stam and have revive speed on all 3 with 2 gunner resist and toughness added on

[mighty belfry]

And in general there's not much buffing the bleed either.

[bright dove]

immune to ranged attacks while sprinting above 50% stam, whatever else you fucking feel like, and whatever for perks because god knows you are using DoT for everything anyways

[mighty belfry]

It's all melee damage other than the stims.

[random shuttle]

Nah, the devs and testers play the hardcore stuff

[torpid cloud]

im thinking putting even more ability cd on XD

[fair oar]

am i making a mistake trying to get this last level on auric

2 fails in a row

[shut pier]

Dot?

[bronze glade]

well the devs aren't beating the malice allegations with the gameplay they've released

[bright dove]

damage over time

[random shuttle]

and ofc by hardcore stuff I mean the highest difficulty in the game

3 Random Pubbies Heresy

[placid drum]

Thats also viable yea you could drop a revive speed for that if you feel like you need it

[bright dove]

you are using a 32 damage weapon what do you fucking think the DPS on it comes from

[torpid cloud]

its not need its a want

[shut pier]

Ohhhhhh oki

[hardy spruce]

hi

[placid drum]

Then go for it and become true zerker

[bright dove]

no joke today i had a randoms damnation fail because people are unable to comprehend you need to play aggresively as scum

[torpid cloud]

why gunner resist btw
we are immune to thewm like half the time

[random shuttle]

I sweat to gods, I sometimes would prefer Darktide brainless BOTS over some Heresy players I played with, because BOTS, at least, doesn't try to actively fuck me

[toxic dagger]

Every studio releases gameplay previews of people playing their game like ass

[bright dove]

i still canr get it to 30

[toxic dagger]

I don't know why but it's always done

[amber sundial]

the other half the time you arent though.

[bronze glade]

former gaming journalists

[placid drum]

Also rate my slayer bardin fit as a give scum named bardin-gore

[azure mist]

Blicky-Oblong

[bright dove]

false, bots will literally sit next to my downed ass and not pick me up to prioritise shooting 3 lasgun shots a minute at hordes

[azure mist]

It’s me your brother

[bright dove]

i swear the bots have gotten so much worse

[random shuttle]

SO still way better than some Heresy players who will take the crates, never use them, and die falling off a cliff so you can't even pick it up

[hardy spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-handshake-meme-my-man-warhammer-gif-16490395860613617777

[torpid cloud]

water cartel for life

[amber sundial]

bots will prioritize sitting in flames for 5 years til they die

[bright dove]

false, those people at least leave and spawn bots to distract people

[compact oyster]

nioh 2 is yearning me back for axe gameplayu

[knotty grotto]

@random shuttle btw what blessings/perks do you use on vraks? idk if anything's changed since i last played

[azure mist]

Sometimes I play sedition to watch new players wrap their heads around basic mechanics of the game

[toxic dagger]

Anyway Fatshark has a small handful of game designers who work on the combat and talents and so on. They play at a high level. And then they have like 50 more devs working on particle effects and audio and UI and lighting and all that shit. They don't necessarily play at a high level but they don't need to lol

[tight musk]

They really should add a way to do melee attacks by just holding down a button instead of having to click 5 million times a second when playing with very high attack speed.

[compact oyster]

gale pookie according to discord were besties <3

[bright dove]

"they don't need to"

[compact oyster]

forget about that stinky b1ade

[placid drum]

Im waiting for that nioh 3 to come out

[elder mortar]

is run and gun worth considering for db shotgun? desperado having infinite sprint seems fun

[compact oyster]

very very soon

[bright dove]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST I WAS IN THE WINDS OF MAGIC BETA TEST THEY NEED BETTER TESTING

[compact oyster]

also bakematsu era which was the setting for rise of the ronin

so hopefully well get bayonet in nioh 3

[toxic dagger]

It's not relevant for Sarah the VFX doing her job how good she is at Havoc

[ruby token]

They need public testing

[torpid cloud]

this is cursed but trust me bro

[shut pier]

Also no I am just testing something out I would rather use my John wick loadout bc I really like the stubs and hey the most fun loadout to you is the best loadout

[ancient basin]

fire frenzy (10% damage per close range kill, up to 50%) or death spitter (6.5% strength on close range kill) on the combat shotgun?

[bright dove]

we're not bashing sarah the vfx artist for the update breaking special animations

[compact oyster]

actualy i think fathsark's financing division needs to clear havoc 40

[kind mist]

Explosive bolt pistol is a bit ridiculous on the desperado.

[bronze glade]

lol was thinking about trying that out

[toxic dagger]

Oh yeah I agree with that.

[civic plinth]

hoowwwwww

[toxic dagger]

But that wasn't the topic at hand

[random shuttle]

Why not escalate, and make TENCET investors Exec forced to clear H40

[torpid cloud]

how what

[azure mist]

Discord showing me people I don’t fw anymore

[bright dove]

explosive bolt pistol is a bit ridiculous on anything, the original mark is just straight up better

[toxic dagger]

@random shuttle give me your supply bomb build pls

[civic plinth]

how is your luck that good

[azure mist]

Literally a gut punch bro

[civic plinth]

i have never even gotten one of those

[torpid cloud]

its not, you can put whatever you want on there

hit up hadron

same for guns n stuff

[compact oyster]

thats a bit sad

[civic plinth]

really?

like you can change the toughness part

[compact oyster]

this sounds WILD out of context

[torpid cloud]

yeah, plasteel and thas tother resource the name of which i forgot is the only limiting factor

[torpid cloud]

oh. no not that

[random shuttle]

"Ello der. It's Chewsday, innit?"

[civic plinth]

thats what i was talking about

[compact oyster]

i really dislike bionics on hive scum atm

[torpid cloud]

just check brunt regularly

[compact oyster]

they clip so much when they didnt before

[echo plaza]

[digital drift]

its huge jackedman

[civic plinth]

ok

[azure mist]

Yeah just not a good topic to talk about and Discord casually reminding me about it is kinda upsetting

[digital drift]

the bomber killed my run

[exotic temple]

I like it but you have to boost the cleave or it feels jank. Rampage and wrath work but I saw someone say the reduced enemy mass is better.

[sturdy linden]

Wrath is pretty bad in comparison to Shock & Awe yeah

some people run both but I'm not a fan, I'd rather use Deci

[compact oyster]

youve always got me

[placid drum]

Im running wrath and shock n awe just so i can apply more toxin to more mobs or brittle more things for the team on my bonesaw

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-not-a-chud-you're-not-a-chud-sorry-you're-not-a-chud-gif-12732191522489462721

[echo plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-toy-story-you-are-a-toy-you-are-a-chud-gif-2887627200340906462

[alpine hazel]

does hypercritical count for desperado?

[shadow umbra]

can someone tell me what this means

[compact oyster]

a brony?

[shut pier]

What's that?

[sturdy linden]

PSA #hivescum-class message

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-jones-uzbek-gif-9108365450976190246

[neon fern]

newborn

u ar 12

[random shuttle]

@toxic dagger

[shadow umbra]

i got no clue
for reference this is my name cuz fatshark didnt let me name myself druggyhooves

[shut pier]

....
...why you looking at me like that?...

[random shuttle]

And for stim just pick one talent to have 15s stimm cd

[compact oyster]

ohhhh

i believe your being called a good player in spanish

[shut pier]

Actually I am 21 I can show ya

[neon fern]

no no

i'm fine

[compact oyster]

thought it was a brony cause of the derpy and hoovy mentions

[placid drum]

How good is stim supply bomb in practice

[dim moth]

7 tox stacks will almost immediately kill any enemy that is not a crusher

for reference

the chem grenade

applies 6

[bronze glade]

ehhh does a lot of damage, but radius is pretty shit

[sturdy linden]

it's capped by your team, which is why a lot of people don't like it

[dim moth]

I run stim supply bomb but iwth like

a real stim

[random shuttle]

radius is shit but with 15s cooldown and 5s duration I get a free "nade" every 20 seconds 😄

[dim moth]

because in practice you don't really use it on cooldown

and imo it's better to get +strength to make tox procs do more damage

[placid drum]

So pretty much you would make your ability into another grenade slot pretty much that could be useful in a pinch

[bronze glade]

yeah that's true, but i still didn't like it much

[main wagon]

I hate this SO much aaaaaaaaaaa

[shut pier]

Sooooo...
What is the two best perks and blessings for the shives on havoc 40?

[bronze glade]

maybe i'll try that

[placid drum]

But i love feeding my ogyrn fellas rending stims

[random shuttle]

Its more flavour - I run bonesaw, needler and toxic box for maximum toxicity

[shut pier]

OMG TORBEK

You want a cookie

[dim moth]

I use +10% crit chance +20% strength, and 2 attack speed stimm normally

for blight spreads I drop the attack speed nodes for better uptime

[bronze glade]

i run something similar for stimm builds

[dim moth]

since the stimm bomb itself is very good at killing enemies en masse the 51 second cooldown for the stimm is usually like

25-ish seconds

give or take

[full portal]

Attempted a build for toxin DPS. Care to share your thoughts people what I can do better? If possible try it out and let me know if this works best with high mobility
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a087e68c-cddc-4115-8f4b-77b391a2b451/toxin-pump

[dim moth]

which is about how often I want it

[random shuttle]

using my special gun

[dim moth]

this boosts toxin damage

[zenith pagoda]

What's the best way to use box? As a quick tox mine or cooldown for teammates?

[dim moth]

unless Kuli's guide is a LIAR

[dense hollow]

literarily no toughness nodes

[dim moth]

"Oh jee that's more than like 5 poxwalkers time to drop stimm box"

[random shuttle]

both really. I have two box builds. One is for bomb

another for super big stimm to buff team

[kind mist]

close ranged is just distance, it doesn't mean ranged damage while close.

[zenith pagoda]

What do you get? Cooldown and strength?

[random shuttle]

for my big box?

[full portal]

I know hence the high mobility. It's WIP so I am open to suggestions but I also know all the rage is the kite notes people wanna take

[placid drum]

Im normally running big stim buff for the team because if i see a boss or a giant wall of metal i plop it down and just watch them go ham

[shut pier]

Hey what are the two best perks and blessings for the shives on havoc 40?

[kind mist]

Uncanny haymayker

[twilit canyon]

thoughts on long lasting?

[placid drum]

Riposte is also pretty solid choice since your dodging alot already specially in havoc 40 so thats a normally a free 20% crit

[zenith pagoda]

Are normal stims used up upon deploying box?

[full portal]

I might encorporate that into my build. Will find replacement node for it that gives max output. Thanks man

[zenith pagoda]

Doesn't that take too long before box regen?

[placid drum]

Not if you have sample Collector

[random shuttle]

for big box build/ Nah

its 70s

with chem samples talent

more like 50~60~

[vast ferry]

new settled science just dropped

[compact oyster]

haymaker hmmm

finally sees an use

[placid drum]

Im always torn between picking one of 3 talents for my stim toxin build the toxic renewal or targeted toxin

Or coated weapons

[zenith pagoda]

I haven't tried mines yes, but you can get box every like 14s

[obsidian crown]

Remind me what happens if I don''t complete a havoc this week and my assiignment rank iis 30?

demote by 1 or?

[twilit canyon]

testicular torsion

[vast ferry]

yeah but which way, that's important

[twilit canyon]

counterclockwise

[versed spruce]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lEDVsyLl7ZJfkLgTu?invite=cr-MSxSd2ssNDA1NDMwNDgz&v=10

[zenith pagoda]

I'm gonna do tox mines, tox nades, and infinite ammo needle gun

[nova tangle]

what stim do people run on gun scum?

[kind mist]

reload speed and rending

[nova tangle]

ah so just max top right bottom left

[dim moth]

cooldown speed :)

shoot gun more with desperado