hivescum-class

[woeful hill]

how long till do you think it will take to fix the dodge buff talent

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-press-cat-to-cat-gif-16880368844157370268

[limber cradle]

Whats wrong with it

[woeful hill]

it halves dodge frames

[broken bear]

its not broken pre sure

[woeful hill]

instead of adding 50% more

[limber cradle]

Nimble?

[broken bear]

i think it only adds to melee

[tender forge]

btw do y'all think wrath or decimator for the saw

[broken bear]

not ranged

[limber cradle]

So you mean to tell me I've been playing scum on hardmode and doing this well?

[tender forge]

been trying out wrath and it seems to be working, but am not sure if decimator increases the dot damage

[manic wolf]

I dunno that its bugged, it just only applies to melee and the distance is still mahoosive vs ranged

If you're getting clapped with that talent on, I must diagnose you with terminal skill issue

[thorny ginkgo]

desperado comes close to inferno psyker

way more fun tho

[compact oyster]

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

I TOLD ALL OF YOU

[woeful hill]

well

its just worded poorly

"Yes, because Nimble’s second buff (dodge_distance_modifier) is modifying dodge speed down the line. The velocity during dodge is increased but not the dodge distance, so the dodge is over sooner. This obviously affects dodge actions against any attack. The linger buff still helps dodges against melee attacks."

its weird

[thorny ginkgo]

drip 2 hard

[hallow creek]

so if youre spamming slide with slippery customer your essentially untouchable lol

[manic wolf]

Pretty much

[shut grotto]

So the Mk6 is just flat out better?

[manic wolf]

You can slidedodge your way out of incredible levels of bullshit with Nimble

[hallow creek]

loooooool

[limber cradle]

I be running nimble with shivs with the stimm that gives 10 percent more dodge

I be schmoovin

[versed spruce]

Plus the melee immunity while sliding talent

That one seems to just choose to not work sometimes though

[manic wolf]

Yep

[versed spruce]

A little inconsistent

[manic wolf]

Not experienced it not working personally

[near vapor]

yea

[manic wolf]

Been hit as a I queued it, and as it got to the end, but thats about it

[near vapor]

i dont use the alt fire anyways

[torpid cloud]

tat moment when i get killed right in front of the excape shuttle

by a burster xD

[versed spruce]

Noticed it mostly with vacuum capsule but that could be latency stuff just barely making that happen

[manic wolf]

Bursters are so fucked this patch D:

[tender forge]

so chemnades count as your kills huh

[limber cradle]

I thought the invulnerable on slide didnt actually make you immune but it stopped tracking in the code

So like if you slide wrong you're still eating shit

[tender forge]

for sample collector

[versed spruce]

They weren't always?

[near vapor]

yeah you still can get overheaded

[hallow creek]

well for HS it fixes that apprently because you get the lingering effects of dodge

[tender forge]

nah they are more scuffed than normal

[manic wolf]

Lmao, yes, but also not like this

[tender forge]

I've been having way more silent ones than normal

[signal nebula]

They become increasingly more fucked with every update

[tender forge]

and some that do longjumps

[limber cradle]

I really wish FS would word shit properly tbh

[unreal stirrup]

overhead are technically "aoe"

[tender forge]

and blow up 20 feet from you

[spring glacier]

Bursters always have some nonsense affecting them every other patch

[limber cradle]

Immune to melee on slide and sliding stops tracking are very different things

[manic wolf]

Getting hit from twice the usual distance they would go off in previous patches, pushes not registering, them not exploding when pushed.. they're a shitshow atm

[unreal stirrup]

also isn't the mk2 special spread to other enemy on death

while mk6 does shitty explosion

[manic wolf]

Oh an they're sometimes still equipped with stealth modules

[compact oyster]

Toxin explosion yeah

[tender forge]

them spawning literally right behind you isntead of a spawn door

[versed spruce]

Pushes not registering usually happens with them being locked on teammates

[compact oyster]

Its amazing for hordeclear

[versed spruce]

I hate that

[torpid cloud]

this worth building out?

[versed spruce]

Naur

Well

[unreal stirrup]

no

get 76 in all stat

[torpid cloud]

damn

[unreal stirrup]

[versed spruce]

It's decent

[manic wolf]

Not had that one, but it wouldnt surprise me

[tender forge]

its really an issue with repentance modifier

[versed spruce]

That's perfectly fine if that's what you're working with, ordo-wise

[torpid cloud]

I can roll more

[unreal stirrup]

what the total cost for empower again

[devout bison]

What are some good targets for the thrown shivs? Too many things seem to survive them

[unreal stirrup]

assuming from 300

[thorny ginkgo]

why am i not critting a lot with dual autopistols?

[tender forge]

I just do ragers and crushers

[torpid cloud]

luck

[willow vine]

Mk 3 shivs heavy attacks feel so fucking slow like their attack speed is capped

[low harbor]

No crit string

[tender forge]

build maybe

[versed spruce]

They don't string??

[thorny ginkgo]

im using the pinned one, idk

[versed spruce]

Almost any specialist enemy tbh

[devout bison]

What's the abse crit chance on the autopistols? Do we know?

[versed spruce]

They won't die on-hit but the tox will kill

[low harbor]

No afaik

[low harbor]

Idk I’m lazy

[thorny ginkgo]

i had a game and only had 56 crit hits

[unreal stirrup]

i don't think chain crit is a thing on semi auto weapon

[torpid cloud]

hm

[shut grotto]

Cool, thank u

[devout bison]

I chose to dump collateral on mine

[manic wolf]

Thats more like it

[versed spruce]

Unless you want it to suppress enemies a lot (can be detrimental, can be helpful), mobility is the dump

Both work great though

[thorny ginkgo]

weird lol

[torpid cloud]

i like being fast xD

ill stick with that one for now

[obsidian crown]

Do you…dodge?

Just wondering since I remember your almost 1k dmg taken game

[thorny ginkgo]

that was from poxbursters mainly, but i usually play back

[broken bear]

ok those scab gunners didnt stagger at all tf

[tender forge]

anyway think fatshark is going to fix the blinders replenishment?

[devout bison]

I hope they fix toxings not counting for kills for most hive scum mechanics and ruining things

[cedar cairn]

I heard 80 collateral uzis with Powderburn is worth it

[shut grotto]

What's wrong with it? Is it because it's not actually replenishing every 20 kills or something else?

[hallow creek]

just take of hyper critical for now if you want it that badly 🙃

[tender forge]

yeah

try it in psykanium and see how fast they regen off kills

[shut grotto]

Hopefully a fix soon, thought i'd noticed it not doing that

[tender forge]

vs in game

[torpid cloud]

:)

[tender forge]

in psykanium every 20 kills whether melee or ranged replenished if in close range (10m)

[shut grotto]

Anyone know what best Shiv blessings/perks are btw?

[obsidian crown]

A way to replenish rockets would be my only ask

[tender forge]

in game its like 10% chance a melee kill counts and 30% for ranged

no numbers because am too lazy to check it

[hallow creek]

i do mercy + bleed on crit

[hazy vector]

anyone else having massive lags in games?

[tender forge]

my first damn crashed 4 times

[torpid cloud]

so I assume i have a bis uzi now

neat

[lapis raft]

i use flesh tearer + uncanny, even nerfed uncanny is still op

[shut grotto]

Was thinkin bleed on crit tbh, seems quite good. Was thinking Lacerate which is bleed on non-weakspot but idk

[devout bison]

For shivs I would actually say riposte and precog. Go look at the damage table for the shivs heavy attack, they have a ridonkulous damage multiplier for crits against carapace and unyielding, boss killers

[hazy vector]

Crashes is different

[torpid cloud]

I got three points left

[devout bison]

plus, DOTs ruins some hivescum mechanics by taking kills that needed to be melee

[tender forge]

I mean the game also lags like a bitch on ascenscion riser

[thorny ginkgo]

so weird i dont crit that much

[hallow creek]

the sheer amount of attacks that go out with moderate amount of crit is a numbers game in your favor imo. but im also using crit aura, rampage etc

[tender forge]

could get chem blinders if you want

ohy wait

you are missing the crit node

[torpid cloud]

the aura?

[versed spruce]

With Pickpocket I would personally ditch the aura you have for 10% melee damage or 5% crit chance aura

[shut grotto]

Yeah i'm running rampage and crit aura. So basically anything with more crit damage and chance on the shivs then?

[tender forge]

no

[sand tendon]

how it feels to crowbar

[tender forge]

top right section

[obsidian crown]

It could just be bugged with scoreboard

[devout bison]

with melee or range? shivs can get 40% bonus crit chance just for dodging.

[versed spruce]

Unless you were taking the stim duration talent, which I would actually recommend if you're doing CDR stim for Desperado

[vast surge]

Perks and blessings for needle pistol?

[thorny ginkgo]

probably

[torpid cloud]

ah butterfly
yeah im debating that or sample collector

[thorny ginkgo]

ranged

[hallow creek]

yeah pretty much

[devout bison]

you should still be able to get 20% from dodging

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-fuck-out-the-way-gary-squidward-gif-9946015729319185180

[torpid cloud]

sample collector would allow me to lean more into my chem buffs

[tender forge]

I'd get that crit one or your desperado will be sad

af

[shut grotto]

Alr cool, will take a look then. Still need to finish weapon mastery for them so I got time to play around and see what works

[devout bison]

Does anyone know if negating/avoiding damage using SLippery Customer counts as a successful dodge?

[tender forge]

20% crit rate you are missing out on

[limber cradle]

I really like sample collector tbh

[torpid cloud]

alright alright ill get it xD

[obsidian crown]

It’s most likely is. I just checked one of mine and it says 1 crit. Which I know isn’t right. Because I usually sit in a horde of gunners and just shoot and take 0 dmg (because of vulture’s dodge) out of desperado

[thorny ginkgo]

thank you i thought my shit was fucked

[torpid cloud]

a very complex stimm indeed

part of me is debating going for the 50% passive regen node instead of on kill
cause sometimes i got not much ammo to work with

[thorny ginkgo]

does hyper crit mess with precison violence if you barely use melee on a desperado build

[shut grotto]

Imo the ability regen just aint worth it. I usually take Strength or Attack Speed

[tender forge]

left bottom has more reload speed

[obsidian crown]

It’s probably just not tracking Uzis at all (new weapon might not be coded), and its tracking your melee crits

[shut grotto]

At least for melee builds

[thorny ginkgo]

that makes sense now

[torpid cloud]

yes, it bugs it and disables it

[thorny ginkgo]

damn ok

[earnest hull]

does coated weaponry overwrite flesh tearer on shivs? you get toxin stacks but no bleed stacks

[torpid cloud]

im pure ranged xD

[thorny ginkgo]

i just took off precison violence and replaced it with tetrium welcome

[dim moth]

you get both

[low moth]

hey what's the difference between the two model of needle pistol

[thorny ginkgo]

only to get to float like a butterfly

[earnest hull]

are we sure @dim moth ? It really doesn't look like it's giving both, maybe it's a visual bug?

[tender forge]

what my vultures build looksm like

[shut grotto]

Oh fair, still I prefer attack speed even for that. I like having an insane rate of fire

[tender forge]

no idea if optimal or not

[dim moth]

I can see both occuring just fine in game mysel

[sleek grove]

I straightup prefer dope for 30-40% cdr over the invul

[dim moth]

and in psykhanium there's visibly 2 DoT ticks

[rotund obsidian]

Anyone else noticed the game bugs tf out if you press your stim button when its not ready?

[thorny ginkgo]

your stims is pure attack speed?

[torpid cloud]

atack speed on a weapon iwth already insane amount of output seems silly but more power to ya

[earnest hull]

ah i'm seeing the two dot ticks now, maybe i have it on potato quality or something but i only get the toxin visual

cool thank you

[torpid cloud]

im tryna achieve better trigger discipline myself

[dim moth]

yeah bleed vfx despawns itself on low specs iirc

[tender forge]

on desperado?

[sleek grove]

Ye

[tender forge]

hole up what node are you talking about?

[thorny ginkgo]

whats dope

[sleek grove]

I even just like having a str only chem and run all 4 points, 40% cdr, 20% crit and 20% dr perma up

Chemical Dependency

over Vulture's Mark

[tender forge]

ah

yeah I need vm

for the penance

[ripe seal]

I actually got some untouchable value today, I had a few times where the reduced detection let me get a few easy backstab, and I was able to run up to gunners and shooters a few time while they were focused on someone else so I was able to avoid their fire, but its just hard to notice if its actually working or not, and sometimes it just doesn't

[tender forge]

[sleek grove]

Oh yeah i did that one first 😂

[tender forge]

I did 2000 seconds of chem dependency first

[limber cradle]

Does cooldown stimm affect its own CD rate?

[ripe seal]

I also did notice a few times that thing where enemies you're fighting in melee just runs away from you, that felt annoying with rampage

[sleek grove]

With the insane amount of suppression you generate anyway, the invul is rarely never needed

[ripe seal]

cooldown should just be your active ability

[tender forge]

also my desperado stimm

[limber cradle]

Alright, thanks. Never sure with FS.

[tender forge]

brrrrrrrrr

[dim moth]

75 ssecond cooldown

augh

[thorny ginkgo]

thats for desperado?

[ripe seal]

your stim doesn't cooldown until after it wears off anyway

[sleek grove]

Honestly, i think just str and ignoring AS is better for the 10% cdr, 5% crit and 5% dr

[tender forge]

yeah sample collector makes it ok

[sleek grove]

(if you run chemical dependency)

[limber cradle]

Never noticed with the UI

[tender forge]

yeah the stims are sorta scuffed I feel

with that

[ripe seal]

otherwise with sample collector you can probably get your stim off cooldown by the time it ends

[tender forge]

I would love this

[sleek grove]

i still want them to fix the box and the stims -_-

[tender forge]

literally a loop to keep killing

[thorny ginkgo]

should i take this if i dont have sample collector on my build

[tender forge]

that stim

frick no

[thorny ginkgo]

rn i have pure cdr

[ripe seal]

some active abilities like volley fire has thecooldown starts as soon as you use the ability so if you chain it long enough, its off cooldown by the time it ends, but none of the scum ones do

otherwise you can spam desperado and rampages back to back

[tender forge]

you need smaple collector fot the 75 second stims

[sick notch]

Anyone ran into a bug where your ult won't recharge?

[tender forge]

the icon is bugged

[sick notch]

I have Stimm Supply equiped. Used it once then it never charged after that.

[sick notch]

Ah

[thorny ginkgo]

u think i should take attack speed over cdr?

[tender forge]

depends on you

tbh

I got it for reload speed

to pretty much instant reload

m10s

[thorny ginkgo]

hmm ok

[ripe seal]

the final attack speed node feels pretty lame outside gun builds, reload I think is more more generally useful on some guns like shotguns

[tender forge]

mine has the reload node

[ripe seal]

the smgs have a high enough fire rate that extra fire rate is nice, but they also do have a long base reload speed

[nova tangle]

Oh hey its this video that was being talked about yesterday

[tender forge]

[tender forge]

the attack speed on a rampage build goes hard

[ripe seal]

yep

[tender forge]

I mulched 6 crusher packs, like 3 mauler packs and the rager train car on damn yesterday

just spamming lights with crowbar

[hallow creek]

man when did the new gen start riding mister E so hard

yall love him

[brittle sierra]

He's not getting carried by his possie anymore 😞

[tender forge]

*he died so many times his possie couldnt carry him

[near vapor]

Mystery E...

[nova tangle]

I still stand by hive just does have as prevelant tools to disregard fundamentals

Doesnt*

[brittle sierra]

Who's Hive?

[crude matrix]

mr e literally threw me outside naked into a blizzard and put coal into my stockings

[nova tangle]

Mr scum in the flesh

[tender forge]

i don't know but he's scoming

[brittle sierra]

😔

[tender forge]

anyway orckas you've been scumming or still just ogryning?

[brittle sierra]

I think rampage is boring so I have been playing a lot of Cleaver build

Pretty funny giving everyone on my team a bunch of stamina and dodge distance

[ripe seal]

rampage is just another headroll skill like arbite stance or zealot charge but those are also fun and effective

[tender forge]

I've been enjoying using a stimm supply build myself

[dim moth]

I have crit chance stimm on my stimm box build

and just have flesh tearer riposte shivs

[hallow creek]

tbf mister E's release schedule is a bit much, he just comes up a lot

[dim moth]

every crit kills everything it touches

[tender forge]

pretty much copied whta cole gave me, but had to swap some nodes to take out hyperviolence

[dim moth]

and I'm spamming lights at mach speed

[crude matrix]

bro its view farming slop

same with tanner's content

lmao

[tender forge]

because I had a game where hpyercritical broke precision strikes for the game

[ripe seal]

i want to run attack speed and crit chance on my stimm box build but i'm waiting for dependacy to work right on it

[tender forge]

which sucked balls

only coherency toughness gen

[gray wharf]

Has anyone checked on the claims people have been making that nimble is bugged and hurting your iframes?

[dim moth]

It technically does against ranged fire specifically because that checks a different dodge duration modifier than what Nimble boosts

Against melee attacks you are getting the boost as advertised

[hallow creek]

thats not overall impression/sentiment i get, but its the internet w/e 🤷‍♂️

[gray wharf]

Thanks

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[tender forge]

why 6?

and not 12

[brittle sierra]

Six?

[tender forge]

the needle pistol

[dim moth]

Not taking Punching Above One's Weight and Close & Deadly for increased tox damage?

[tender forge]

the 12 is the toxin spready one

[compact oyster]

I hate silo cluster i hate silo cluster i hate silo cluster

I hate geomotry making grenades useless i hate geomotry making grenades useless

[brittle sierra]

Above weight spreads too thin

Quick and Deadly is only range damage

[limber cradle]

Whats the cap on bleed stacks?

[woeful hill]

16

[limber cradle]

Thought so, ty

[nova tangle]

how about chem stacks?

[woeful hill]

uh

check kuli guide

iirc 31

[nova tangle]

kuli guide?

[woeful hill]

pins

[dim moth]

r u sure

[brittle sierra]

Ranged

[tender forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a087a738-a48f-4fca-8724-41a884169040

my build

rn

[candid flare]

Close Ranged as in ranged damage within a close range, not close-range damage of any type

[vernal sluice]

okay rocket launcher penance really turned out to be no bother at all

had an auric mission with packs of shotgunners and I got the remaining 40 kills ezpz

[limber cradle]

I did the same thing tbh

[vernal sluice]

now I will never use it again 🫡

[tender forge]

when they fix chem dependencyu I may drop pickpocket

[compact oyster]

if a daemonhost spawns because of the atonement and there isnt a thammer just pack it up its a guaranteed wipe

[candid flare]

Eventually ill find a melee gun combination that likes the rl to fill gaps

[manic wolf]

Nah, super easy to kite it round terrain as Scummer

[dim moth]

daemonhosts aren't that bad provided they don't lock onto an idiot first

daemonhosts are shockingly easy to fight if you know how to

but would you believe that most people don't practice that or even think to because the usual thing to do is just avoid them?

[vernal sluice]

it's ezclap if there's any scummers with needlers

[dense hollow]

i dont think daemonhosts have the corruption aura on the event do they

[vernal sluice]

like the fight will end before it even begins

[dense hollow]

i dont remember getting corruption damage from it

[dim moth]

nope

[tender forge]

If I am in an open area I could probably solo one

or at least mostly solo one

[dim moth]

I could solo a DH anywhere tbh

[mortal hearth]

how do I do those chemical dependency penances and the one for the heavy attacks ?

[dim moth]

genuinely 2nd easiest monstrosity below pogryns

[vernal sluice]

I don't really know how to solo a dh if I get cornered

[dim moth]

you just dodge in a circle around them and they can't hit you

[vernal sluice]

[tender forge]

chem dependency: get up to max stacks, hold it for 2k seconds; then let it drop to 2 stacks

[dim moth]

takes a bit of practice to get the timing right so you don't run yourself out of dodges

[tender forge]

I used a 15 second stim to get it up fast

[hazy vector]

Surprisingly few hivers on auric

[dim moth]

but DH attacks have very poor sideways tracking

[tender forge]

my issue is if the team lures 15 crushers into the mix

and they block my side dodges

[vernal sluice]

also so many hs penances already done and I'm not even at 50 missions completed lmao

[hazy vector]

can it not hit you when you recover dodges

[nova tangle]

oh yeah just wanna double check that im not doing my math wrong but does the cooldown regeneration from kalma 1 reduce the cooldown by 6.25 or am I just misunderstanding the text?

[mortal hearth]

so u mean I shouldnt put any poitns into my stim to get it up fast and keep spamming that share skill ?

[dim moth]

I'd still prefer to be fighting a DH there over like a chaos spawn

[tender forge]

share skill does not count for chem dependency

[dim moth]

chaos spawn will stunlock you into a wall and you get overheaded and legit nothing you can do

[tender forge]

you have to inject yourself

3 times

and then keep yourself at max stacks for 2k seconds

then let it drop

[dim moth]

best done on desperado/rampage builds

[grave venture]

Mister E. literally every video (he will never quit darktide)

https://tenor.com/view/baby-lol-haha-funny-cringe-gif-17994252

[dim moth]

since they get quite a lot of value out of the cooldown reduction

I use a cooldown stim+dependency on my primary desperado build

just for the infinite ammo uptime

[mortal hearth]

guess ive been doing it all wrong then if I kept using the share skill build , guess ill go into sefonis trials and try that

[tender forge]

yeah that skill is bugged

and doesnt proc chem dependency

[dim moth]

tbh I don't think it'd be that good even if it did proc dependency

the keystone doesn't synergize with it for more reasons than it just not applying a stack

[twilit canyon]

anarchist stacks with prescience right?

[dense hollow]

i dont personally use cooldown stim on my rampage builds tbh

[dim moth]

they're different auras so I'd assume so

even if they do the same thing

[vernal sluice]

yeah they absolutely should

I don't feel anarchist is that good of an aura pick compared to psyker though

I'd rather have ruffian

[dim moth]

the anarchist stays ON during tox+flesh tearer build

observe

100% crit chance

[twilit canyon]

knowing fatshark i feel like i need to ask

[vernal sluice]

based

[dim moth]

(the other scum was using a crit chance crate and I was too)

[vernal sluice]

I'm still slightly miffed Enhanced penance only progresses when your crate actually replenishes someone's toughness

unless you luck out and have bots it's incredibly hard to catch another player not having toughness even on auric

[grand jewel]

tried a shivs/rampage/adren build earlier and good lord I see why people like rampage now

[dim moth]

it's partially because that toughness regen is only coherency toughness

which is a pathetically small number to begin with

[grand jewel]

OI, ROTTERS, COME AND GET IT

[vernal sluice]

LET ME SEE THOSE SPLEENS

[limber cradle]

Can we dump stopping power on needle?

[rare stirrup]

is mobility or defence dump on crowbar?

[limber cradle]

Its anything but mobi right?

[grand jewel]

def

[dim moth]

ammo is the only stat that matters really

[tender forge]

I use pushes a lot so mobi

[rare stirrup]

my boy melk is hooking me up

[limber cradle]

Making sure SP didnt affect tick in some strange way cause FS ngl

[low zenith]

Having done my own testing and pushing havoc 40 on the new class.... Why are people saying this class sucks, exactly? Most of their stuff is hella useful. I think the only bad thing they've got is the rocket launcher

[grand jewel]

god this guys accent is so damn good

[hazy vector]

anyone tried bonesaw with melee build?

[rare stirrup]

skill issues mostly

[grand jewel]

very very good

[hazy vector]

its base attack speed very slow though?

[sturdy linden]

Incredibly fun

[north crow]

saw sucks

[dim moth]

class squishy

[grand jewel]

melee is the way to go to buff it lol

[wooden musk]

Is rashad the best crusher killer if you arent going any melee talents?

[dim moth]

bad/average players make up the bulk of the playerbase

[sturdy linden]

You get attack speed per stamina and also from Adrenaline if you use that, or Rampage ofc

[dim moth]

scum is VERY VERY HARD

[broken bear]

they were babied by arbites infinite hp never die

[vernal sluice]

they skip defensive talents and they stand still out in the open and they completely ignore ranged enemies

[wooden musk]

I feel like the only thing I want to use the melee for is sometimes crusher help, trying to optimize it

[north crow]

shiv beats rashas without build

[broken bear]

and forget fundamentals

[dim moth]

if you are a pretty okay player on any other class

[north crow]

rashad needs a lot of AS to be good

[grand jewel]

🫦

[dim moth]

you are going to be shit at scum

and die

[low zenith]

Even among the youtube crowd people are talking smack on this class tho. I think Reginald and Ryken are the only ones who aren't. Even Tanner 'get gud lol' Lindberg says this is whack and honestly it's got me wondering if these people are just not as good as they say they are.

[dim moth]

which makes them seem weak

even if their tools for aggression/damage output are comically strong

[wooden musk]

So what would you think raw would kill a crusher the fastest?

obv any blessing or perks on it

[grand jewel]

shivs probably

[low zenith]

I take the attack speed and rending stim w/ desperado and can basically punch holes through every other wave of enemies in havoc 40.

[tender forge]

shivs with three thrown knives into them

[north crow]

knife or shivs

[crude swallow]

eh. one thing i wanna for scum aside for some fixes - some more "heavy" weapon.

[rare stirrup]

youtubers? having massive egos? who could possibly have seen this coming

[wooden musk]

yea but then you kill one crusher and you're out of shivs

[broken bear]

certain talents are bugged rn and the stim side of the tree has some stuff that doesnt syngerize well... but thats it

[wooden musk]

does the melee still kill them good?

[twilit canyon]

i feel like it sort of goes against the class

[grand jewel]

[tender forge]

kill a couple ragers and they are back

[broken bear]

otherwise its a fine class and love it

[north crow]

knife with OP uncanny is prolly best

[twilit canyon]

scum is very hard, just like me

[tender forge]

stims feel clunky with their cooldowns

[dim moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205760412507840572/1229588319801835561/IMG_3696.gif

[tender forge]

and the bugs are rough

[grand jewel]

how

[rapid mango]

anyone have this skin that i can see a first person screenshot for?

[grand jewel]

what bugs

[vernal sluice]

sure I can take a screenie

[tender forge]

hyper critical broke precision strikes for me

[vernal sluice]

do you want it normal or in inspect pose

[crude swallow]

not greatsword of course 😄 just something with more cleave

[tender forge]

the chem pack icon bugs out and doesntg show cd

[broken bear]

yea hyper crit is a known bug

[wooden musk]

whats op? and you talking combat blade?

[low zenith]

Mid synergies aren't really a big issue, but I know what you're referring to on that end. As for the bugs - I feel adrenaline frenzy kinda sucks 'cause something isn't working when I was testing it but.... What's worked for me is like... ENTIRELY left tree, except I use crit chance aura to push higher vultures mark invuln

[rapid mango]

normal and blocking if thats alright

[tender forge]

chem blinders dont replenish properly

[twilit canyon]

grab rampage and that cleave node, ezpz

[broken bear]

nrlly they feel great for me

[low zenith]

Been able to true survivor on a havoc 38, and done like 6 havoc 40s.

[tender forge]

are you running stim supply or straight stim?

[sturdy linden]

There's like 1 bug that people are pissing and moaning about, as if Arbi didn't have a broken keystone for a solid month lmao

[broken bear]

desperado, pop stim, desperado, repeat

[naive wing]

honestly ive maxxed every class, and have a build on each that can run havoc 30+ and it still took me til lvl20 to get used to scum, now ive got a solid chem/melee build that is a blast to play and ive gotten the hang of them

[tender forge]

I'm not a fan of the cd for the stims srtarting after the stim wears off

[manic wolf]

They do need to fix stim crate cos thats goofy atm

[tender forge]

feels like forced downtikme

[vernal sluice]

there ya go, in all my low spec glory

[broken bear]

a talent breaking one of the only toughness replenishment nodes for a squishy class is sorta valid

to be mad abt

[tender forge]

chem pack's stim cooldown feels so much better

though

because it starts... after you use the stim

[broken bear]

i mean

its just like an ability

[sturdy linden]

Valid yes, to this degree, no

[naive wing]

its balance. if it didnt have the forced downtime it would never be on cooldown ever, if you run the node that reduces the stim cd whenever you kill a chemmed enemy you get it back so quick

[low zenith]

Honestly I feel the cooldown is a trap. The attack speed into immunity, and strength into rending has been insane for those situations where there are like 10 crushers and the uzis can take all of them out in less than 45 bullets each .... So I use the stim and deperado at the same time relatively often

[eager hull]

best stim when going for support?

[dim moth]

strength/rending prob

[broken bear]

its rlly not even bitching and moaning to a high degree, we just have to tell people over and over to not take it cuz its broken

[tender forge]

yeah but that doesn't happen with stim pack

[dim moth]

lots of damage

especially into armor

[tender forge]

and it just feels so muich better

[manic wolf]

Ima be honest, I dont feel like it really makes much difference, the class lives or dies by its mobility, toughness gains are kinda whatever. Tis But a Scratch and Hive City Brawler are all you really need

[floral cape]

Hive scum is solid, but it can feel like you have more downtime than other classes. Especial y when you're playing with skilled players, and you don't get to keep everything up easily with kills

[broken bear]

ability cdr for me fr

[eager hull]

fair enough no other ult gives straight up damage to the group afaik

[broken bear]

With my desperado build the melee hits for toughness come in clutch

[dim moth]

more downtime than other classes because you kill everything faster

very sad

[low zenith]

The people really do be undervaluing it. Also, W gnoll pfp

[broken bear]

while waiting for desperado

[exotic temple]

I wish they’d add some Goliath inspired goodies from necromunda.

[tender forge]

nah, being only able to get any form of regen from coherency is not a fun experience

[naive wing]

because stimpack uses your equipped stim up, so its not like you're getting two uses, you're getting a locked location version of your own stim

[floral cape]

No, it's just that sometimes you go in after hitting your f, and somebody has vaporized everything, and then you've just lost your rampage

And you don't have to deal with that with the other classes

[crude swallow]

isn't our scum a little small for that? otherwise i would like too

[tender forge]

I know, but the effective cooldown on the stim is still 15-20 seconds less

[floral cape]

LIke I said, it's not bad

[naive wing]

where as just stimming yourself is more potent, and requires longer cooldown that is non-existent with the specific node

[manic wolf]

Really? Shit man, I dont even swap to melee unless absolutely forced into doing so against a Crusher wall or because everyone else is dead

[hazy vector]

is collateral dump stat for smg?

[tender forge]

mind you due to my complaints I mostly just use the stimm pack

[manic wolf]

An a Crusher wall.. toughness regains dont really do much, you either avoid them all and dont get hit or you miss an overhead and just die anyway 🤷‍♂️

[tender forge]

and it works fine

[muted holly]

for anyone dreading/struggling the enhanced penance, tox bombers are your friend

[tender forge]

the thing is more chip damage like gunfire or gas or fire

[muted holly]

that and stimm supply

[rapid mango]

take the breathe and go node

thats what i do

[broken bear]

i dont like shooting pure trash hordes

its just a habit

if theres ANY enemy above trash, desperado is popped

[tender forge]

trust me it sucls being at like 30 toughness a whole game

[broken bear]

also if im surrounded melee clutches

[tender forge]

especially

when you have to clutch 3 times

[hazy vector]

also what blessings for saw?

[tender forge]

with 20 toughness

[manic wolf]

Sure, but Tis But a Scratch does a better job of covering ranged damage than the melee talent does, couple that with Hive City Brawler unless you really get caught in the open by a bunch of gunners you're kinda sorted

[vernal sluice]

stimm supply, tox gas and having bot teammates seems like the best way to progress the penance

[low zenith]

If you run pickpocket you can afford to shoot trash hordes quite a bit tbh. Just make sure to dedicate the last of your free mags to taking out an elite or special

[muted holly]

and you set stimm supply for 5sec (so you get 15sec of buff)

[hazy vector]

What is better, wrath or shock and awe?

[broken bear]

ik

[vernal sluice]

shock and awe and decimator, also watch reginald's vid on it if you haven't yet

[broken bear]

but old habits die hard

[tender forge]

both

the cleave is really bad

[exotic temple]

The chain glaive is my personal favorite but they have normal human size ones

[muted holly]

and I'm basically sold on the crowbar as my main melee weapon now

[manic wolf]

All gun, all the time Stub Pistols are too fun not to abuse 😄

[floral cape]

Crowbar just feels really good to use

[mighty belfry]

He literally changed the title LMAO

[naive wing]

what dif are you on? cuz im rarely running out of toughness on auric atm, but aurics as high as ive gone so far now that ive ironed out my build

[hazy vector]

what about weakspot blessing?

[muted holly]

I absolutely love charging an enemy while sliding and readying a heavy swing

[tender forge]

auric

[muted holly]

"batter's up" and head go flying

[tender forge]

but I will caveat this

with the fact that its a slow drop that happens

cuz you don't notice it is missing for a hot minute

until you actually gotta rebiuild your toughness

from 0

[muted holly]

everything that buffs weakspot damage in this game doesn't work the way you think

it's not a multiplier on the final damage when you hit a weak spot

[hazy vector]

Actually i do know how it works

[tender forge]

but playing like a level 1 in an auric for 15 minutes is not fun at all

[muted holly]

it's a multiplier on just the extra damage a weak spot hit gets

[hazy vector]

I know

[naive wing]

my toughness pretty much never really hits 0, becuase i got that refill toughness to 50% note and i normally survive long enough to last the 10 second cooldown

[crude swallow]

i guess that would be lovely. and some fixes

[muted holly]

so avoid everything that gives weak spot damage outside of shiv/knife Mercy Killer

[noble canopy]

so are most dump stats on ranged hivebanger weapons Mobility? what about Collateral on stub pistols?

[tender forge]

yeah but imagine that and the bottom triangle are your only toughness nodes at all

[low zenith]

Honestly the dual smgs are all I use because their only problem is range kills - and frankly the ammo economy on them is so good I can just tap fire and miss a few shots .... End up killing them in the same amount of time as the pistols

[manic wolf]

Stubs get Pinning Fire, so dont dump colat, simple as

[tender forge]

It is not the best feeling

[noble canopy]

aight

[floral cape]

In aurics, I do feel invincible most of the time. I'll brain fart and die instantly occasionally, though.

[tender forge]

but yeah talents just stopping working

is no fun

[muted holly]

which talents just stop working?

you mean buffs drop?

[tender forge]

precision strikes with hyper violence

combine that with broken stim pack icon

[sand tendon]

hyper critical no?

[tender forge]

and blinders not regening

[vernal sluice]

when hypercrit procs precision violence stops proccing

[muted holly]

I don't bother with blinders

chem grenade is simply too good to not use

[floral cape]

Yah, I've noticed my blinders sometimes don't regen even though they should be

[tender forge]

I do like the chem nades

[vernal sluice]

I love the blinders

[manic wolf]

Thats probably due to tox dots getting kills

[tender forge]

they are broken like the arbies keystone

[tender forge]

no

[vernal sluice]

and I love their actually cool regen condition

[muted holly]

be aware that the kill count for blinders isn't counting kills via chem toxin

[mighty belfry]

Blinders are really strong. Just, broken.

[muted holly]

that toxin is kill stealing

[floral cape]

🤦‍♂️

[manic wolf]

Ive not had any issues with blinders not regenning since i unspecced Pocket Toxin 🤷‍♂️

[tender forge]

I've gone on rampage massacres

[devout bison]

yeah toxins break a lot of on-kill triggers :/

[tender forge]

no chem tox talents

[devout bison]

they need to fix that

[tender forge]

no lbinders restored

[muted holly]

and some nodes are consuming events (in code) instead of just acting on them

like Rampage

[hazy vector]

ffs i cannot tell if i am lagging because of my internet or because of fatshark

[tender forge]

or hell my level 15 ass with no chem toxin at all

[muted holly]

Rampage interferes with heavy melee kill counting while stimmed

for that penance

[tender forge]

0 regens for a whole game

[devout bison]

Does "close range damage" apply to melee?

[tender forge]

then vI hop into psychanium

[floral cape]

The one for the pants?

[muted holly]

the penance, yes

[tender forge]

and the regen is consistent

[floral cape]

Ahh, that makes sense.

Was wondering why it was going up so slowly

[muted holly]

I confirmed this myself last night, as I was getting frustrated with not seeing penance progress at all over an entire mission

[tender forge]

something is consuming kills that should be regenning the nades

[nova tangle]

when???

[muted holly]

most likely culprit is chem toxin

it's not an attack

[tender forge]

I noticed this before I had chem toxin

at all

[mighty belfry]

#hivescum-class message

[knotty grotto]

has anyone figured out the ideal attack patterns for single target/armor/horde on the hive scum weapons yet? shivs seem simple enough but im second guessing crowbar and saw

[muted holly]

frankly, I'm surprised that the node where you get stimm cdr on kills works

[tender forge]

not to mention there is an icon for the blackout nade recovery that appears in psykanium that doesnt in game

[muted holly]

typical FartShack and their lack of testing and inconsistent code

[woeful hill]

🍝 code

[manic wolf]

Thats probably coz it doesnt take priority in the buffs bar vs other things and you're just gonna have more stuff up in a live mission than you will in psyk

[tender forge]

that can get so funny with chem nades

[dense hollow]

the blackout nade recovery has worked for me

[tender forge]

because they don't count kills

[dense hollow]

but kills made with chem toxin dont give you blackout

[tender forge]

it works but is very inconsistenmt

[muted holly]

nope, it's highly inconsistent

[dense hollow]

or kills with the heavy 1 attack of bonesaw

[knotty grotto]

if mister e gets this class buffed to a point of blandness and arbitepsyker 2 he should be stoned in the town square

[tender forge]

like the arby keystone was

[manic wolf]

I think Fatshark know to listen to thier testers over some random vibetuber

[pearl ore]

I saw his new video in my reccomendations and scoweled

[muted holly]

frankly, it's amazing that this game is as good as it is

[mighty belfry]

At least he actually admitted it's basically a skill issue rather than the class being "set up to fail"

[knotty grotto]

clickbaiting jackass

[muted holly]

every time FartShack puts out new abilities, they make the same code bugs over and over again

[dense hollow]

true this is the same issue as disrupt destiny

[pearl ore]

well the build they develop on IS known to have a tempermental machine spirit

[knotty grotto]

mister e be like "hive scum bad bc it doesnt do the same 10 morbillion damage dog bleed did "

[manic wolf]

How did that change with the recent skilltree update, if at all? Not been on Psyker

[muted holly]

my brother in the Emperor, FatShark made the engine

[mighty belfry]

The one major thing I've gathered about hive scum is that it is very tricky to have multiple in a party with random people because of how they work on a fundamental level.

[muted holly]

they've made two whole games previously with the same engine and shared code

[pearl ore]

that doesnt have any bearing on the engine's personality though

[eternal ibex]

"When firing from the hip or bracing" so always? when else would there be

[muted holly]

the programmers on Darktide simply refuse to refer to lessons learned on previous releases until the community beats them over the head about it

[dense hollow]

disrupt destiny works fine but kills with dots and rev attacks still don't give you stacks i think iirc

[pearl ore]

its cantankerous

[manic wolf]

Its really hard to say if that the class design or if its just down to players, as someone who is very guilty of not being a team player outside of Havoc, I can at least admit it doesnt do a full Scum stack any favours

[trim wind]

it's not their engine, but they have modified it since it's been out of production forever

[dense hollow]

that's def down to players

[eternal ibex]

i just played with a lightning psyker and it combo'd so good with scum desperado build

[dense hollow]

you could have 4 coherent scummers or 4 incoherent scummers

[pearl ore]

I was amazed how my crit attack speed bleed dodge focused zealot build mapped onto scum

[muted holly]

so, with psykers, every psyker on the team gets procs for warpfire kills when they have the talent nodes

[candid flint]

smite combos with everything cuz its busted

[mighty belfry]

Nah there's some fundamental backing to it I think

[manic wolf]

Gotcha, is it the same as it used to be with its shitass random targeting?

[muted holly]

I wonder if that's not happening with scummers and chem toxin procs

[vivid crystal]

im curious, to anybody that plays ranged scum, how do you guys deal with armor?

[pearl ore]

replacing chem for bleed and its almost 1 to 1

[novel quest]

toss a shiv and heavy jab the fuckers to death

[manic wolf]

Shivs/Toxin special throw

[knotty grotto]

classic uncanny strike shivs

[novel quest]

yeah

[dense hollow]

i mean yeah it'll target a random dude but you can keep perma uptime on it mostly with lingering psionics and cruel fortune

[vernal vessel]

Is the Stimm Supply ultimate meant to use up your stimm?

[vivid crystal]

ok yeah same i had a feeling it was consistently gonna be shivs

[bronze glade]

brauto's ok

[novel quest]

uncanny strike, just jab em on the head

[mighty belfry]

Given its the one class where you are 100% incentivized to run a -% threat node.

[bronze glade]

yes (though prob shit design)

[dense hollow]

i dont have -% threat on any of my builds

[obsidian coral]

Bit unclear on the top left and bottom right paths of the Cartel Special Stim: Bottom Right is faster cooldown on you ability and top left increases the Toughness generated from all sources but does not generate any by itself?

[manic wolf]

Im nto sure I agree with that, but please elaborate further, its an interesting take

[novel quest]

Shiv is just the ideal "one size fits all" as far as ranged builds go. it doesn't need any help and can perform well in every context

[bronze glade]

the toughness gen is just a multiplier to yopur coherency toughness regen

in other words, pretty bad

[manic wolf]

Aye thats fair, i'll mess with it at somepoint no doubt, though Scum is incredibly hard to put down

[hazy vector]

the last nods do give toughness

[muted holly]

did Scoreboard mod finally get fixed?

[bronze glade]

ot

pretty shit sadly

[obsidian coral]

Does not apply to other forms of toughness regen? Not even melee kills toughness regen?

[muted holly]

nope

strictly coherency regen

[mighty belfry]

It throws off enemy AI and can sometimes result in really unexpected aggro shifting. I've seen it happening in Havoc quite a bit.

[supple torrent]

Is the stuff about chem toxin messing with close range kills true?

[bronze glade]

you can get 50% toughness back

that's about it

unless you take keystone

for another 50%

[muted holly]

those +toughness nodes are only for immediate toughness gain

[viral monolith]

What should the dump stat on the needle pistol be?

[mighty belfry]

It's basically like having a partial stealth zealot almost.

[muted holly]

which is a shit use for a stimm

[mighty belfry]

But at all times.

[dense hollow]

anything that isn't ammo

really doesn't matter

i dumped damage

[viral monolith]

I kid you not the first one I rolled was an ammo dump

[manic wolf]

I can see it having more value in Havoc, but at the same time, one of the huge advantages is being able to pull all the ranged stuff in any given room with no consequence to your survivability so thats kinda an anti-synergy

[dense hollow]

making ranged enemies hit your allies instead of you is so troll while running despacito

[obsidian coral]

Bottom Right stim path is just faster cooldown on you ability, right?

[mighty belfry]

It's in Havoc where I'm seeing it a lot and it's caused some really weird situations.

[obsidian coral]

Also does casting Stim Supply use up the Stim you're carrying?

[umbral sigil]

yes

[mighty belfry]

I got overheaded by a crusher that suddenly turned their aggro on me mid animation when it was going for a hive scum by me lmao

[muted holly]

all aggro-dump talents for all classes are troll nodes

[obsidian coral]

Ok so you can't abuse the Cooldown Cartel Stim and the Talent to get Stim Supply back on gaining stim to spam it, got it

[versed spruce]

Really feel like they shouldn't be able to change mid-swing

[split lagoon]

Easiest weapon to complete it?

[muted holly]

why not?

[vivid crystal]

shiv

[manic wolf]

I can see that being problematic if its a regular thing for sure. Aggro drop talents are seemingly always problematic in one way or another

[azure mist]

Ainz has a clip of a crusher hitting him when it got staggered instantly killing him lmao

[muted holly]

regardless, you're better off going stimm cooldown on kills

[split lagoon]

Really? I was thinking a swinging weapon like the crowbar

[gray wharf]

I feel like my dodge is more consistent without nimble but that might just be confirmation bias

[manic wolf]

Nice Pfp btw

[versed spruce]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lD61ifBi2REEDh18o

[supple torrent]

Is Untouchable/stealth causing this?

[azure mist]

Like it fell over and just manifested a shockwave that instantly killed him

[limber cradle]

I used crowbar with all the in tree cleave perks and unstoppable

[muted holly]

they're heavy, they fall heavy, it's simple physics

[lapis raft]

combat knife and just spam swing heavy is pretty quick too

[manic wolf]

Crushers have killed enough Psykers to start absorbing warp powers

[torpid cloud]

okay hear me out
what if i take moving target
dodging is fun

[split lagoon]

Yeah, that one too

[whole wren]

You fucking what

Nah that's awful

[tender marten]

simpuhl geo - geomtr -- grut it -- angle good

[azure mist]

Something something skill issue

[obsidian coral]

If using Stim Supply uses up your Stim and you don't get to reduce the cooldown until after it's expired, by the time you get the stim back and could use it to reduce the Cooldown of Stim Supply you've already gotten Stim Supply Back normally unless you go for low viscosity

[manic wolf]

Based and Ogryn-brained

[versed spruce]

It looks like that was because bulwark melees are an AoE and the scum happened to dodge right around to make it hit me

[young aurora]

im doing a rampage adreline knife build what gun should i use?

[muted holly]

like I said, you get the talent tree node for stimm cdr on kills

[manic wolf]

Damn he really hit you with the roundhouse

[whole wren]

That is foul lmao I have never had that happened before

[muted holly]

and you also make your stimm box have only 5s lifetime

which also gives you 15s of stimm buffs

[supple torrent]

anti specialist like revolver/bolt pistol/twin stubs or needle gun could work

[main elm]

I used crowbar heavies on Poxwalkers. I guess Heavy Sword or the Devil Claw that goes horizontal sweeps on H1 H2 should be good as well

[muted holly]

stimm box is the absolute best way for getting the most use out of your stimms

[azure mist]

@versed spruce wait I did that to my team

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lDYfyDpGvf59Y6Zpl?invite=cr-MSxCaVosMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=19

[young aurora]

i will try thx

[muted holly]

and avoid using Rampage

[obsidian coral]

Okay wait too many people writing I ned a thread

[torpid cloud]

[muted holly]

Rampage is eating melee kill proc events

[split lagoon]

Doing it with the crowbar. Still find it a bit slow to complete it compared to the others

[muted holly]

don't use Rampage

[torpid cloud]

whats the dump on the shivs

[muted holly]

use stimm box

[manic wolf]

Little short on penetration there bud.. (Thats what she said moment)

[azure mist]

Mobility

[calm aurora]

Use taxe. The loop is PA H1

[supple torrent]

You could also grab pickpocket + dual autopistols for horde clear.

[split lagoon]

Why?

[azure mist]

PA H1 or H1 L2

[main elm]

Also do a very low spammable Viscosity Stimm to spam and use Stimm Supply

[azure mist]

That’s Taxe 7

[muted holly]

because Rampage is interfering with heavy melee kill tracking for the penance

[gray wharf]

mobility, presumably

[split lagoon]

Oooh I see, I see...

[pallid quail]

that would explain why it feels like hot garbage

[manic wolf]

Yeh, mob' for shivs

[main elm]

That’s How I did it and it was reasonable

[calm aurora]

That's the only one that matters

[limber cradle]

vraks scum making me glad i picked this up many moons ago

[muted holly]

yeah, just for the penance, don't use rampage

once you have the penance done, use Rampage (it's too good not to for melee)

[torpid cloud]

do i just say screw it and tank the missing 1%

[knotty grotto]

whats the dump for stub pistols?

[limber cradle]

No

[knotty grotto]

collateral or mobility?

[whole wren]

like to run the bleed on non weak spot hit and then bonus weak spot damage on bleeding enemies, it works surprisingly well

[muted holly]

mobility

[torpid cloud]

mobility

always mobility<

[knotty grotto]

thank

[muted holly]

except for needle pistol

[mighty belfry]

Waiter, more broken crusher animations!!!

[manic wolf]

I dumped it on that too The only not-dump is ammo on that thing anyway

[whole wren]

I had a guy in my match die to a crusher overhead right after he killed it

[muted holly]

keep mobility just so you aren't losing any sprint speed while using it

[tranquil berry]

Dump damage, for the memes

[whole wren]

Wasn't near him but I wish I was

[torpid cloud]

the omnissiah is with me today

[whole wren]

Praise be!

[manic wolf]

Yeah maybe i'll roll another at somepoint, I only have one setup with it on atm so not in any rush

[random shuttle]

dang the shivs fucks

[whole wren]

Yeah the shivs are nuts

[manic wolf]

Still upset we didnt get brass knuckles on Scummer tho

[torpid cloud]

shiv was carprace and flak right

[whole wren]

Yeah

[random shuttle]

Who knew a piddly sharpened piece of metal pipe can fuck so hard

[muted holly]

ogryns need brass knuckles first

[manic wolf]

We can have both?

[muted holly]

you don't want carapace on shivs

[vernal sluice]

flak and maniac on shivs

[muted holly]

you don't want carapace on anything that does close to 0 damage to carapace

[torpid cloud]

but the shivs are for crushers arent they

wouldnt carprace be good

[muted holly]

not specifically, no

[random shuttle]

I want Carapace on Shivs

[vernal sluice]

no but you can use them vs crushers

[muted holly]

shivs are great for applying chem toxin

[knotty grotto]

whats with bursters today

this patch rather

[vernal sluice]

you want to use the special action vs crushers however

[muted holly]

but chem toxin isn't affected by any damage nor ADM modifiers

[dim moth]

shadow buffed explosion radius and leap distance

[knotty grotto]

good lord

[manic wolf]

I run Carapace on shivs an its pretty decent tbh

[dim moth]

it is affected by +damage on your weapon

[random shuttle]

It is affected by ADM modifiers on a weapon currently held

[azure mist]

You want carapace 25% and uncanny solely to nuke maulers and crushers cause like

[random shuttle]

but that's beside the point

[young aurora]

we fr

[rotund agate]

am I weird for using the toughness nodes of the stimm tree on a melee build? I like having bonus DR for when something goes sufficiently wrong, and getting 25% toughness back immediately is decent for when Burst of Energy is on CD...

[dim moth]

as well as Toxin Mania, and Quick & Deadly on the talent tree

[azure mist]

That’s 90% why you’re using them

[random shuttle]

point is Shivs have uncanny strike

[muted holly]

no it's not

[torpid cloud]

praise be

[random shuttle]

so vs Carapace is good

[azure mist]

Nerfed uncanny mind you

[muted holly]

it's a unique dot

[manic wolf]

Uncanny/Precog mate, trust me

[torpid cloud]

that requires being behind

[dense hollow]

the toxin dot is affected by damage perks on your weapons

you can test this easily with the stim pistol

[manic wolf]

Huh?

Its just finesse damage on dodge

[torpid cloud]

wasnt finesse backstab

[azure mist]

Uncanny is headshots

[manic wolf]

No sir

[azure mist]

Finesse is Crit Weakspot and Weakspot

[torpid cloud]

okay finesse it is

thats way bettzer

[azure mist]

Click head to win

[quartz hearth]

Finess is weakspot, crit, and backstab I think.

[muted holly]

it needs to be tested with the shivs

[quartz hearth]

Maybe just weakspot and crit.

[neon fern]

it doesn't affect backstabs

[azure mist]

Not backstab

[muted holly]

as needle pistol is designed for applying toxin

[azure mist]

But those 2 + Critical Weakspot

[neon fern]

nothing affects backstabs except some talents

[rustic zinc]

Honestly a good suggestion though (adding +Backstab dmg to Finesse for certain weapons).

[night nymph]

god damn do i love the dual stub pistols lol

[random shuttle]

It's the same dot

DMG perks on weapons always buffed DOTs of all kind when that weapon is held

[azure mist]

Yes theres a difference between Weakspot and critical Weakspot

[muted holly]

historically yes, but I could have sworn one of the early testers said that chem toxin was different

[torpid cloud]

how i just need max rolled curios and im golden

[neon fern]

it's not a party without a mutie

[muted holly]

well that's definitive, thanks

[random shuttle]

Well let me assure you it works like any other DOT 😄

[quartz hearth]

Should I be going for a 79% ammo roll to proc Blaze Away with more of my magazine?

[muted holly]

if you've looked at the code as much as I have, you wouldn't be so surprised to hear that something worked differently from everything else like it in this game

[torpid cloud]

i swear theres reverse scaling oin damnation

game gets easier somehow

[random shuttle]

I know. I was a playtester for FS.

Might come back.

[muted holly]

it's the players

[random shuttle]

If they have me

[azure mist]

Mind you a lot of shit isn’t explained and it’s literally just the Testers + Community digging through the scraps of the game to make sense of like 90% of it

[uncut elbow]

Is there a cap for reload speed? I'm at +190% on the DB and don't notice too much of a difference past +100%

[azure mist]

This is just me but sometimes I think going overkill with more minor things like reload is more detrimental cause you could invest into damage more

[muted holly]

unless time reloading is what's hampering further dps gains

[whole wren]

the heavy is like 60% though it's just the light attack that does like nothing, I also run lacerate and mercy killer and use lights to apply stacks of both bleed and toxin before spamming heavy

[dense hollow]

you def don't need that much

both barrels is all you need

taking both barrels and speedload means you're not taking deathspitter

[muted holly]

that works

[lyric shuttle]

Bone saw or shivs for havoc?

[azure mist]

Tbf HS has speedloader as a talent

[whole wren]

my stats aren't exactly the best but I'm too lazy to bother hyper optimizing

[muted holly]

drop weak spot damage

[versed spruce]

Does anyone have a build where double barrel actually does anything on scum

[muted holly]

put crit chance on there instead

[manic wolf]

Yeah, weakspot damage is giga-doodoo

[azure mist]

Vet is still king with DB

[muted holly]

it's noob-trap

[versed spruce]

I tried a desperado triple barrel build last night and it sucked

[zealous wing]

wtf is cartel special?

[manic wolf]

So is Lacerate, but thats another discussion

[whole wren]

2K hours in and i just now learn this lmao.

[versed spruce]

Weapon Specialist exists, more at 7

[muted holly]

your custom stimm

[zealous wing]

isn't it the rampage move?

oh

[azure mist]

But Desperado HS and SG Psyker are competitors

[dense hollow]

ive been having success with HS using double barrel desperado on auric quickplays

[muted holly]

I go with the bleed-on-crit and mercy killer

[neon fern]

u can make do with it and not have the blessing and it's completely fine

[versed spruce]

HS?

[zealous wing]

so just need heavy kill while im stimmed up?

[neon fern]

but it's always more optimal to have the reload blessing too

[manic wolf]

Yeah, thats the better pick, there is no world in which Lacerate outperforms Flesh Tearer

[azure mist]

Hive Scum

[versed spruce]

Oh ya

[dense hollow]

i can share mine if you want

[muted holly]

not when you have attack speed out the ass

[versed spruce]

Idk it didn't feel strong with desperado

[eager hull]

or Hurensohn in german which means son of a whore

[versed spruce]

At least not compared to other builds I have at level 22

[manic wolf]

Still dont think anything beats Precog/Uncanny on Shivs, but I cant speak for knife as I havent ever run it much

[uncut elbow]

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping to take advantage of the infinite ammo from desperado to get as many shots off as possible. I suppose pickpocket already does that, though. Just wanted to try something different. I'll probably dump speedload then

[neon fern]

Desperado with autopistols makes me feel bad playing it

[eager hull]

yeah theyre not really made for hordes or a gunner build

[hazy vector]

Has anyone tried desperado build with needler?

[eager hull]

rather something to take out specials on a non gunner build

[eager hull]

sounds awfull

[azure mist]

Vraks IAG desperado mag dump into a horde

[hazy vector]

just normal desperado build lol? It is maazing

[neon fern]

probably doesn't kill fast enough to make full use of it but desperado is so strong it shouldn't be awful

[manic wolf]

Kills with Toxic dot dont contribute to Desperado duration stacking, so little reason to outside of the two or three freeloads you get out of it

[whole wren]

yeah that doesn't sound that great, i considered doing it for a build but decided against it

[manic wolf]

Which is honestly kinda overkill for Needler anyway

[hazy vector]

Also wtf with the event

Are its servers only in US

because every time i try to join one i have heavy lags

[whole wren]

huh?

[grand jewel]

did some testing on needler and that thing really do be pumpin pretty good

[tender forge]

nah it isa just a laggy mess

[versed spruce]

Compared to dual stub and dual auto, not nearly as good

[neon fern]

it just lags

not related to location

[hazy vector]

I would argue it is better

[neon fern]

i've played both us and eu

[manic wolf]

not for Desperado its not

[hazy vector]

I asked other people in multiple lobbies, onl yme was lagging every time

And i had no lags outside of specia levent

[whole wren]

honestly it just seems more like the usual player influx straining the servers

[neon fern]

everyone was lagging when i played so idk

[dense hollow]

i am a strong defender of the double barrel and it cannot come anywhere near the auto pistols

[neon fern]

auto pistols are BiS

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. weekend after new class drop, the servers are gonna be struggling like fuck atm

[neon fern]

with desperado

[muted holly]

FartShack servers struggle on normal player load these days

[neon fern]

uncontested

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/a10-kill-it-brrrt-gif-13624632

[manic wolf]

However.. Stubs are way more fun

[grand jewel]

depends

[thorny ginkgo]

whats the dumpstat?

[manic wolf]

Make me feel like a proper Scumlord gangster

[neon fern]

stubs are for aura farming

[azure mist]

Mobility

[lyric shuttle]

Bone saw vs shivs for melee hive scum

In havoc

[neon fern]

both good

[grand jewel]

what about them

[muted holly]

a free-to-play weekend is going to severely stress the servers, and I doubt FartShack upped their server counts to accomodate the weekend specifically

[grand jewel]

they're both good yeah

[manic wolf]

not inaccurate

[lyric shuttle]

Any preference

[neon fern]

but u need to invest into cleave for saw

[versed spruce]

Maybe I shouldn't have run&gun and speedload on the shotgun but those both seem synergistic with desp

[muted holly]

or go crowbar

and enjoy the sound of crunching heads

[grand jewel]

not terribly difficult

[neon fern]

mind controlling u so you go run and gun BA on autopistols

[versed spruce]

Already do 💪

[neon fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1438284929141178430/patronjolly.gif

[wooden musk]

double barrel is pretty great

[lyric shuttle]

Mk 3 or mk 1 shivs

[dense hollow]

deathspitter + both barrels is better

[wooden musk]

perma up time on the ranged damage and toughness on reload talents

[manic wolf]

Stabby ones

[rustic zinc]

Mk1. is clearly better. Mk3 just seems worse.

[manic wolf]

Not even a contest

[hazy vector]

brittle poison seems tobe pointless overall

[gritty arrow]

Run N Gun on stub pistols make me feel like an action hero.
Pop Desperado and I am happy being rewarded running directly towards gunner swarms

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-holly-jolly-christmas-ltg-christmas-low-tier-god-gif-1431977317207580677

[hazy vector]

bruh, no wonder you are of bad opinions on shotgun

[lyric shuttle]

What's the difference in the needle pistol marks

[whole wren]

ok, i just did that and I wanted to test it and now im wondering why the hell im doing more damage on a crit? did they screw up the calculations for crit weakspot damage or something??? im kinda pissed I finally learned this after several years of playing

[muted holly]

aoe goodness

[dense hollow]

what part of it is bad

[hazy vector]

not sure ab out perks, but these blessings are mandatory

[compact oyster]

no lmao

[dense hollow]

bro 💀