hivescum-class

[frigid basalt]

DT combat feels so brainless sometimes

no shields to change it up

bulwarks you jsut toss a nade

[winter tusk]

dont play vet

ez

[fast gust]

So called 'hive scum has a high skill floor' when I run rampage with caxe:

[novel oracle]

HyperCritical procs and it calculates 1200 total dmg
it doesnt do this

thats not what hyper crit does

it forces an instakill, it doesnt double the damage of the attack

[frigid basalt]

"hive scum is hard to survive as"

Desperado
Vulture granting immunity to all attacks

[fast gust]

And still no enemy compares to the single clanrat hitting you on the rear for 50% of your hp

[obsidian cipher]

Thats what Im wondering, how it calculates it

check this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWYXO_1j8vw

It does have an overkill, no clue how its calculated

[frigid basalt]

I really wish we got some spear or pole arm weapons back

[main wagon]

Hilarious how scum was released to intentionally play like most newbies who gravitate to veteran

Just mag dump the horde, ez

(so long as you have desperado or pickpocket otherwise im coming to your house)

[frigid basalt]

I think it would also be cool if they finally added in plague bearers as pseudo faction

[winter tusk]

still have to be able to dodge though

[frigid basalt]

to fill that gap of more beefy melee fighters that aren't elites

[main wagon]

With hope...they can shoot anything that gets close and outlined in bright blue

[main wagon]

But I understand that is asking a lot of pugs

[frigid basalt]

because bruisers have gotten gapped

[kind zodiac]

i dont wannabe that one guy but allot of hive scum suck

[frigid basalt]

yes

[main wagon]

A lot of players suck*

[frigid basalt]

most people struggle with dodging and blocking

[compact oyster]

which is also why it doesnt work with hyper violence

[main wagon]

Doesnt matter what class they're playing, the average player is just not very good lol

[radiant cosmos]

did they buff the karnak twins or something

[compact oyster]

dregs should def have daemons as their elite units

[main wagon]

no they nerfed the players by bringing back ~25k people who haven't touched the game in ages lmao

Some of those people are doing their first twins

[novel oracle]

No
Theyre easier than ever

Cuz of how strong we all are

[kind mist]

I need a Dreg rocketeer

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/superstore-amy-sosa-hold-on-while-i-write-that-down-ill-write-that-down-noting-gif-24935714

[radiant cosmos]

They go down like chumps yeah but 2nd phase they spawn a pack of mixed rager hordes

[frigid basalt]

I hope we a goofy ass boss fight where we just melee a leman russ

[kind zodiac]

dont give the devs ideas you dope

[kind mist]

too late. I already have their ear

[frigid basalt]

it does fucking borderlands ram attacks

[radiant cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yDoZ2iUrNk

[novel oracle]

Rizzler hears this and makes it apply 50 corruption in its explosion aoe regardless of your toughness
Cuz he wants us to suffer

[warped quiver]

sorry to ping again
are those default curios, or is there a reason to take stamina on one instead of just 3x toughness?

[novel oracle]

I am a creature of habit and a stamina goblin
And I typically take the stam attack speed so its also an additional 6% more attack speed

[dense hollow]

an extra 3 stamina is just comfy

[novel oracle]

Its up to you if you swap it for toughness

[main wagon]

When not using a stam curio, doing a single push attack and watching like 60% of my stam disappear is PAINFUL

Even with our cracked regen

[torpid cloud]

Say
The invulnerability after ranged crit
Is there a CD on that or could the scum, as long as ammo lasts, be theoretically immortal

[winter tusk]

Imo +3 stamina curio is still very worth it on scum if you push/push attack alot

[dense hollow]

if you keep critting then itll keep refreshing

[frigid basalt]

you're effectively immortal

combined with shit like

sliding makes you immune to melee attacks

hivescum is only squishy until you realise guns are the best melee

[livid raven]

It doesn't work for undodgeable attacks

[vernal sluice]

I run 1 hp 1 tough 1 stam curio. Idk what else lol, this has been working well for me so far

[frigid basalt]

yeah you still gotta dodge mutants or dogs or fire

[winter tusk]

ive still been taking 2 toughness

[main wagon]

"oh no im stuck in a corner and there's 3 crushers about to kill me"
Just mag dump them and become immortal for a moment

[livid raven]

Crusher overheads, bombs and flames still damage you

[torpid cloud]

Cause I'm tryna get thru heresy rn and every time my team dies it's pretty much gg
Add to that if they just triggered a daemonhost or a boss is around

[dense hollow]

you'll still be killed by crusher overheads if you dont move out of the way

[vernal sluice]

Tbh the hp curio in my build is exclusively a hedge against poxbursters that pug scummers LOVE to shoot

[glad latch]

Was always dumb some cannon fodder starving to death slave rat can do so much damage

[frigid basalt]

It's kind fo the sme with DT

[tight musk]

Bruh.

Toxin nades, stimm supply, 2 full branches on your stimm, and sample collector. Drop a toxin grenade in a crowd and you can get your stimm supply back before the stimm effect even expires.

[frigid basalt]

It's never the 2ton behemoth with a concrete sledge hammer that gets you

[main wagon]

It's getting command grabbed by the cspawn and lit on fire :)))

[frigid basalt]

It's the starving braindead zombie that accidently stumbles into you with a broken glass bottle

[main wagon]

Current pugs also have a habit of having 0 urgency when un-dogging or de-netting teammates

[torpid cloud]

My shivs to terrible damage against crushers tbh

[sudden jolt]

does slippery customer work against crusher bonks

[torpid cloud]

No

[sudden jolt]

or have I been misinformed

[main wagon]

I have enough time to stop killing horde, reload, turn around, kill the horde around someone, and take the net off and nobody else has even pivoted

[frigid adder]

Speaking of.. what's a good way to get better at dodging the unseen trapper?

[main wagon]

Throw knives silly

[torpid cloud]

Sure but against a wall of like 4 of them
Uh

[sudden jolt]

fair, I thought that sounded too goofy to be true and I wasn't about to test that in combat

[glad latch]

So it's bugged?

[main wagon]

2 knives + a heavy or two usually kills them and restores a knife, which means 1 more and a final for the other one that usually spawns

[dense hollow]

being hopeful that its sound didnt bug out and you can hear it's sound queue for spawning in and running around

[torpid cloud]

It's intentional

[main wagon]

Last ones hope your team is pulling their weight because shit dawg you just killed two of them lmao

[frigid adder]

So your saying its not me being garbage.

[glad latch]

But it says "melee immunity" and crusher bonk is melee so idk how that can be intentional.

[frigid basalt]

Wait nvm it has my name and address

[torpid cloud]

Their melee works differently

[sudden jolt]

slippery still fantastic for just running away from enemies as it's intended to be

[dense hollow]

if you're netted more than the sub 1% freak accidents of sound bugs then it is you

but everyone makes mistakes

they catch you while you're focused on other things

[glad latch]

Well then the dev should make it work like normal melee, that's like half the reason to even take a skill like that is to avoid 1shots.

[frigid adder]

I tend to get netted probably once a match at least every other match

[vernal sluice]

Is it actual mechanical immunity or is it 'count as dodging' immunity

[torpid cloud]

Or to take like
Two steps back

[frigid basalt]

I think it's counts as dodging

[glad latch]

yeah, but sometimes the crusher enemies bug out and iceskate like 10 meters and down you no matter what.

[sudden jolt]

it can be another pile to the list of things fatshark doesn't tell you but anything under crusher overheads should be non negotiable

[torpid cloud]

Never seen that, sounds like a silly visual

[sudden jolt]

crushers don't skate nearly as badly as in vermintide

[glad latch]

Oh it's not common, like it is with chaos warriors in VT2, but it does happen rarely.

[torpid cloud]

I need to play vermintide again

[glad latch]

Seems like they semi-fixed the iceskating attacks for DT, but every so often VT2 bugs shine through.

[sudden jolt]

crusher overheads are still very lenient in terms of spacing and tracking though

[dense hollow]

you can hear them preparing to fire the net and shooting it, to give you time to react, the timing on your dodge comes to you with time

[torpid cloud]

According to this mod I got

I have 28% crit chance without any in session buffs
That's good right
Wonder if I should take the crit chance aura

[sudden jolt]

they are only really dangerous if you're getting swarmed in a corner or someone tracks an overlapping bonk into you

[dense hollow]

i can't give that many tips on them other than just kill them before they get to you and rely on the sound queues of their existance

they're directional so if you have map knowledge you'll know where they spawned from

[sleek grove]

honestly, i just love this class. You can just play 100% gun and never pick up ammo and be a cancer to the rest of the team

[torpid cloud]

With my desperado obsession, some of my biggest weaknesses have actually become the dogs

I'm used to primarily using melee and then it's just a shove
Don't have the muscle memory to switch and shove those little beasts yet

[glad latch]

Yeah or a ally drags one around a corner and you happen to be standing there and not know it is coming since sometimes they're silent af when they swing lol.

[hot moth]

being an infinite ammo class is fun but I expect it to change soon

[sleek grove]

Fuck that è_é

[hot moth]

surely they'll slap an egregious ICD on pickpocket

[torpid cloud]

Can't allow fun to stay around you know

Fun isn't allowed

[hot moth]

even if I'm really enojying how it makes zarona shotgun and shredder actually vialbe to use as main weapons

[sleek grove]

Like i can finally just play brauto/iag/whatever and not "force" everybody to be with 0 ammo forever

[hot moth]

they nerfed infinite recon las a long time ago

(never mind that it's returned in the form of infinite laspistol)

[sleek grove]

btw, the vrak iag was great, but i'm missing the knockback of the agrippina brauto

[pearl ore]

hey friend, you got any 305ks?

[sleek grove]

pushing back exploers being able to gun butt away dogs with the alt attack

[glad latch]

It's still basically double ammo recon las which is quite good.

Imagine how broken recon las would be with desperado

[sudden jolt]

given reception of nerfs in the past touching the funny infiammo node will likely result in brigading though

[subtle yacht]

Hey people ! Would Shred & Wrath be good on the Bone Saw ?

[arctic imp]

I know it’s been discussed, but does blessed stims clear only the current wound?

[dense hollow]

yeah

[torpid cloud]

Add to that that I don't thing infinite ammo is particularly broken

[livid raven]

Shock and awe is much better than wrath

[subtle yacht]

Ive got Decimator + Shock & Awe on right now

[glad latch]

I use Shock n Awe and uhhhh Decimator I think the other is called. They seem quite good. You can also swap Decimator with Savage Sweep for even more cleave.

[sudden jolt]

especially given ranged capabilities of psyker, I would agree to some extent

[arctic imp]

So the two corruption cleanse nodes are automatically much worse than zealots one? We require an ability proc to recieve it, That’s wonderful

[livid raven]

All three suck dick

[sudden jolt]

but they have been rather touchy on overperforming single nodes

[hot moth]

needle pistol will SURELY catch a nerf

reduced damage versus either unyielding, maniac, or both

[arctic imp]

There’s a reason why people ask for a zealot to take theirs. It’s a decent support node to ensure everyone can still benefit from medikits in modes like havoc. Cleansing corruption in small doses however is a bit pointless

[warped quiver]

I just realized.
does that also make +2 stamina trait on the weapon worth it? it's basically +4% attack speed, which is otherwise not a trait option

[round jay]

Trying out HS with the Quickdraw revolver... feels good not having to worry about ammo

[glad latch]

I hope not.

[hot moth]

I can't think of a single weapon that would trade a 25% line for 4% attack speed

I am, however, running +6 stam on curios for it

don't need the toughness/HP

gimme that 12% attack speed

[arctic imp]

I personally don’t think it’s strong enough to catch a nerf. But the consensus here seems to be it’s too strong—though if you nerf it or tox you directly hurt numerous parts of Hive Scum’s kit

[warped quiver]

I've really never liked the +25% "only relevant in one specific situation" so I just always take 5% crit 10% crit damage

[glad latch]

Nah, +2 stam on weapons is trash. Damage is better.

[hot moth]

every weapon benefits from flak, SO MUCH in the game is flak

[warped quiver]

true I guess

[hot moth]

and the average amount of muties you deal with makes maniac always relevant

[sudden jolt]

breakpoints help a lot when dealing with fleeing specials as well

[hot moth]

I can't see everdumping one of these for just 4% attack speed on a class that is already stacked full of it, meaning the impact of another 4% will feel diluted

[sudden jolt]

most of which are maniac

[glad latch]

It's strong, but HS is glass cannon so it seems fair to have a weapon like that. Besides it's nowhere near as powerful as flame psykers deleting literally everything they shoot fire at.

[pearl ore]

im really instested to see how fucked you can make hyper critical

[random shuttle]

tbh attack speed is such an op stat it never feels bad to have more off

[warped quiver]

off the top it's the body and head armored trash guys, a bunch of the specials, maulers, armored maniacs

[torpid cloud]

If they Nerf it then scum will turn into a glassy zealot cause it's the one thing that makes the ranged archetype work well

So it's just gonna be melee

[warped quiver]

I might take +25% on flak, yeah

[frigid adder]

ive always wondered if there's a cap though

[random shuttle]

afaik there isn't

[warped quiver]

what about the other though? +5% crit is solid, no?

[warm dust]

somebody can tell me please how can i complete this penance ? because i cant understand how i can complete it and i struggle to do it

[sudden jolt]

at some point attack speed was causing issues with taxe swings on zealot

[random shuttle]

you need to get 3 stacks of ChemDep and then let it run out before ending the mission

[radiant cosmos]

take all the stimm cd reductions and dilute ur stim

[frigid adder]

same but sometimes I feel like there is but it most likely is all in my head.

[arctic imp]

The primary way to get free semi-consistent attack speed is from that one node on the ranged side, it’s technically only a small boost for most weapons.

Any attack speed boosts with a semi-consistent uptime does net in more damage though

[radiant cosmos]

and also don't extract while its still on

[random shuttle]

if you don't let the stacks run out you wont count

[glad latch]

They shouldn't nerf HS, it'll become trash if they start nerfing a bunch of things on it. Having insane DPS is balanced by the fact that you can die really easily if you fuck up even once, meanwhile classes like the arby can fuck up a bunch of times and still be alive.

[hot moth]

The perk tree is okay

[warm dust]

that look like kinda hard to do it with random

[hot moth]

the needle pistol is broken and anyone who says it's not is lying

[winter tusk]

Man auric randoms fucking suck

[hot moth]

Pickpocket is okay -except- when it is enabling needle pistol

[dense hollow]

i dont think you need to do all of it during one mission

[glad latch]

Different opinions = lying? bruh.

[arctic imp]

Is “cheap shots” currently broken? It doesn’t seem to boost the ripping damage for crowbar, but the latch is supposed to count as a full stagger

[hot moth]

hyperbole but it should be that obvious

[dense hollow]

i got that penance randomly while forgetting my stims during a short mission

thinking i needed all 2000 seconds in one game

[sudden jolt]

needles are the single most versatile in slot in the game in my books

[hot moth]

versatile AND powerful

i'd argue it's literally stronger than psyker for horde clear

[arctic imp]

Except you’re wrong. Needle pistol has terrible ammo efficiency and forces you to take a node to fix that, a node you would otherwise not take in quite a few builds. You also, also, also cannot nerf its primary form of damage without hurting hive scum as a whole.

[hot moth]

pickpocket is literally right next to multiple extremely powerful nodes

it is in no way difficult to pick up

[arctic imp]

There’s no reason for a melee build to take it though, and needle pistol is recommended for many of them since it’s so versatile

[abstract lichen]

The issue I have with needler is that it's difficult to snipe one special behind poxwalkers

[dim moth]

and also ludicrously ammo efficient

[abstract lichen]

Since it has no cleave

[dense hollow]

how is it less ammo efficient than the other sniping weapons

[rancid hornet]

Reduce the CD on your cartel stim to like 30 seconds.

Keep spamming the stim through a whole match.

You don’t need to do it all in one match. It’s accumulative.

Just keep popping stims the whole way through. Took me 2-3 random games and penance was done.

[dim moth]

needle pistol is like

[sudden jolt]

you can just make it stack less though

[dim moth]

pretty inarguably the most ammo efficient gun in the game

barring shit like infantry lasgun

[dense hollow]

it has more ammo than revolver and bolt pistol

[dim moth]

for a gun that one shot bodyshots any elite?

[sleek grove]

Uh? It onetaps like every elite/special pretty much

[dim moth]

3 shots crushers?

[dense hollow]

super safe monstrosity dps?

[sudden jolt]

0.5 aim

[dense hollow]

shoot 5 times and forget

[rancid hornet]

Needle gun 3 shots crushers on what difficulty exactly?

[arctic imp]

It’s not less, it’s just as. Exactly why it’s not OP. The downsides are a lack of immediate death and also low ammo count for builds that don’t have the space or desire to take a ranged node on a melee build

[sleek grove]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to run out at all

[dim moth]

auric

[sleek grove]

You just need to get at max stack

[arctic imp]

After how much time? Exactly.

[sleek grove]

Any special like after a sec?

[reef flower]

What are some good needle gun blessings, I’ve been using the run one and speedload

[warm dust]

are they any specific map or difficulty mission that have more chance of having stimm being found in chest and the ground ?

[arctic imp]

That’s plainly not true.

It takes multiple seconds at least, even if it is a guaranteed kill on one tap. A one tap with needler isn’t the same as a one tap with bolt pistol. You have to wait

[sudden jolt]

it might as well be given how often specials fuck around with their repositioning

[rancid hornet]

You use your cartel stim from the stim lab, not rando stims.

[dense hollow]

u can just shoot the special 2 times if you need it to die faster for some reason

[warm dust]

i was very confuse at first if it was the random stim or the stim lab cartel because the penance icon kinda let's me tough of the rando stimm

[thorn prawn]

Anyone who uses heavy swords on scum? What's your favorite mark?

[rancid hornet]

Stim is stim. Cartel stim is just customizable and on cooldown. It’s still a stim like any rando ones as far as game cares.

I prefer chainaxe on HC

[hot moth]

auric if you headshot crit

realistically you'll need 4 headshots or 5 bodyshots though

[arctic imp]

My point is that it’s not broken. Broken is deleting a wall of armor at the cost of a fraction of your ammo reserves, something plenty of other weapons are capable of. Broken is dueling sword.

[rancid hornet]

Keyword: if, also long wait for it to run its course

[hot moth]

Broken is deleting a wall of armor at the cost of a fraction of your ammo reserves

Gee needle pistol is broken then

[thorn prawn]

Or no ammo at all as a psyker

[arctic imp]

Needle pistol can’t do that…

It literally sucks against crushers

[hot moth]

because it costs 0 ammo (pickpocket) and every mag is one deleted crusher in a heartbeat

[dense hollow]

is there a ranged weapon that deletes a wall of armor that isnt on the psyker

[hot moth]

with every kill from it giving you your ammo back

[dense hollow]

for the fraction of your ammo reserves as you say

[arctic imp]

Plasma gun still can.

Even in a sea of krak it still exists

[hot moth]

bolter magdump can kill like 3-5 depending on how close together they are, plasma gun headshots are good-ish but take a while to fire, which, gee, makes it a fairly good comparison to needle pistol

[woeful trellis]

this is 100% inaccurate. even at h40 the needle pistol and chem tox is insanely strong into everything, kills crushers super safe, infinite ammo, chem nade obliterates all non-carapace instantly

[dense hollow]

i didnt consider bolter magdump since the ammo cost is decently high

i forgot about the plasma gun for some reason

idk why

[thorn prawn]

Sounds like pickpocket needs a nerf

[sudden jolt]

it's pretty much a ranged ds, it deals with every problem at the same level of efficacy and with the safety of being a ranged option

[hot moth]

magdump 1 crusher, do a VERY FAST reload, magdump another crusher, your biggest hurdle is not sticking all the needles into the same crusher as they melt into each other, but usually it's not that hard

[dense hollow]

besides you dont need to delete a wall of armor

if you delete 3 crushers from the wall you make it that much more manageable

for everything else to kill

[hot moth]

oh yeah it's also good against bulwarks

[arctic imp]

That kind of ammo efficiency is dependent on wanting to waste a node on what wouldn’t be your primary way of dealing damage.

[hot moth]

you get the slightest window to hit one with a few needles and you don't need to look for another opening

[sudden jolt]

you don't need to charge, swap in, or stack buffs out of your usual retinue

[hot moth]

"waste" a node my brother it's 1 point that's next to hyperviolence

[arctic imp]

That’s a lot :/

[hot moth]

errr hypercritical

[hot moth]

what in tarnation

[rancid hornet]

Don’t use the hyper thing. Its bugged and makes your +toughness from melee hits talent stop working. Unless they hotfixed that issue.

[torpid cloud]

[arctic imp]

my game broke when i deselected a blitz and used the point on the bottom part of my tree

[tranquil fjord]

can you go into a game like that

[rapid fulcrum]

yes

[tranquil fjord]

wait

does that mean you can stack survivalist

base aura + talent aura

[rapid fulcrum]

[woeful trellis]

if you have needler equipped, pickpocket is probably the most value node on the entire tree

[hot moth]

also if you have needler equipped

it's now your primary way of dealing damage

:^)

it literally does everything

anyhing else is an RP choice

[rapid fulcrum]

i could maybe also bug it out on vet somehow and get vets base aura

[thorn prawn]

DoTs don't count as ranged damage right? So pickpocket just needs to have a ranged kill condition

[calm aurora]

With a bot it's very noticeable in CIVI

[woeful trellis]

the only thing needler can't handle is shielded enemies (captain/twins), and hordes with absolutely no specials/elites

it does insane damage with complete safety and infinite ammo into everything else

[hot moth]

I'd go the other way around and make pickpocket only proc on melee kills

y'know

because you rifle through his pockets, with your hands

pickpocket only proccing on melee would be flavorful and tone it down

[neat heart]

why are steam discussions like this

[hot moth]

while not eliminating the ability to steadily get ammo from it

[sudden jolt]

maybe even further and make it proc on elite gunners

[tranquil fjord]

theyve been a thing though?

[thin crag]

let them cook

[dense hollow]

i think rampage builds that are using chem dependancy cant fit pickpocket but adrenaline builds can easily fit pickpocket without much opportunity cost

[thorn prawn]

Good point, I like it

[rancid hornet]

Because incels only get digital forma of visual pleasure.

[hot moth]

Besides, on as low as damnation, you get enough bursters and muties and dogs to keep yourself fed in melee

[calm aurora]

Yeah pretty much

And depends on the weapon

[random shuttle]

still a bit to go

[tight musk]

I just used a timer to see how fast I could regen stimm supply with a single tox grenade and sample collector talent in the meat grinder.

20 seconds to recharge a stimm with 75 second cooldown. It was still active when I regained it cause stimm supply puts your special stimm on cooldown the moment you drop it, not when the effects run out like when you use it on yourself.

Could honestly probably do it way faster in a real game cause more things will be dying from your toxin.

[calm aurora]

With a Rashad you don't have to take cleave talents

[signal nebula]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0872f77-9392-46e4-8e0d-ef3e347b417f/the-best-chem-dependency-build-chem-nade my rampage chem dependency build

[thorn prawn]

Steam's Darktide forum makes me very uncomfortable in general

[signal nebula]

you could fit pickpocket if you really wanted it

[arctic imp]

If you tried to do that without pickpocket, it would suck.
@sudden jolt @woeful trellis let’s not try to say it’s on par with dueling sword or capable of deleting everything in H40. That’s blatantly not true. Its strongest use is its versatility, and pickpocket enabling you to spam your magazines to still pull huge damage out of it when it’s one balance was supposed to be its ammo is a pickpocket problem. THATS far more likely to be nerfed.

[sudden jolt]

imagine rifling through the dog pocketses

[signal nebula]

but i am greedy and went for Float Like a Butterfly. Would probably swap that out in certain party setups

[rancid hornet]

Steam forums are worse trash than twitter/X. who uses it anyways?

[tranquil fjord]

melee hivescum feels weaker than the other specifically low dr melee build, melee psyker

[woeful trellis]

uhhhhhhh it absolutely is better than dueling sword. i don't know how to prove it to you but if you play with a good scum the game is like 5x easier

[torpid cloud]

I don't see a lot of ogryn around these days
I need that big meat shield

[hot moth]

it comes with like what, ~100 needles? 6 needles to kill a crusher is a completely fair tradeoff

Compare boltgun

[thorn prawn]

I use the one for Abootic Factor. They're nice there

[sudden jolt]

the ds of ranged =/= ds

[tranquil fjord]

similar highs but much lower lows on the hivescum

[kind mist]

If rampage isn't up your damage is just lower

[sudden jolt]

it's still limited to the same restrictions as most ranged do, which again can be solved with a node

[torpid cloud]

Abiotic factor? Always get lost there unable to make progress

[thorn prawn]

Part of the fun

[woeful trellis]

but yeah the "problem" or what makes it so strong is not needler alone, it's needler + pickpocket

[dense hollow]

having more than 100 total ammo means that its also recovering 2 needles in survivalist aura

[woeful trellis]

but if you nerf pickpocket all desperado builds are gonna hurt

[thin crag]

the best chem dependency build (chem nade)

[pearl ore]

you have to go feral, learn to feel the pulse of the office jungle

[tranquil fjord]

id rather pickpocket be a vulture's mark subnode

or its main shtick

[compact oyster]

pickpocket should have an internal cooldown

[tight musk]

When melee psyker loses scrier's gaze, he still has all the bonuses from high peril and doesn't just explode instantly. Not to mention you get a lingering effect from scrier's gaze for like 10 seconds after it's done.

When melee scum loses rampage, he loses all stamina AND takes extra damage, cause fuck you.

[compact oyster]

also enhanced desperado gives you infinite ammo already

[tranquil fjord]

melee psyker can upkeep scriers too whereas hivescum must kill enemies

melee psyker has the damage to out dps and simply kill the enemies it needs to

[signal nebula]

gotta sell it right 😉

[tranquil fjord]

quell peril

[signal nebula]

i have on with Blinders as well

[rancid hornet]

Thats when melee HC drops a chem nade, which psyker has nothing comparable with.

[tranquil fjord]

guaranteed chem nade nerf

[pearl ore]

how would you describe a chem grenades efffect though

[signal nebula]

did we forget that the Purgatus staff exists:?

[zinc mirage]

does restoring 0.5 sec ability cooldown on kill mean I get to have the ability active for 0.5 seconds longer?

[sudden jolt]

you can also easily build for 100% uptime scriers

[pearl ore]

makeing a zone of murder everything damage right?

[rancid hornet]

Nah, guaranteed scriers gaze nerf

[signal nebula]

the most powerful ranged and aoe weapon in the game?

[tight musk]

War crime.

[pearl ore]

bubbleboys can absolutly do that

[tranquil fjord]

kill things in melee + shoot things = more than minutes in scriers

[thin crag]

no class can scum as much as the hive scum

[signal nebula]

it's true

Scum hard

or not at all

[thin crag]

he scums so much more than anyone else

[zinc mirage]

does the stimm cooldown start after the effect expires?

[rancid hornet]

Everyone who keeps bringing up specifically just scriers gaze are going to get the psyker nerfed. Going to be wild time in here then.

[signal nebula]

yes and it fucking blows

[zinc mirage]

that sucks

[signal nebula]

lobbying to get it changed. it does suck

[woeful trellis]

the other thing about pickpocket needler is that you can very easily run a comp like shieldgryn psyker vet scum which handles basically everything.

survivalist + gunslinger improved gives shieldgryn enough ammo to use, and survivalist + gunslinger + being able to take every ammo pack on the entire map lets vet shoot for basically the entire match without running out of ammo, even on hungry weapons like plasma. then ofc the scum has pickpocket

so even in h40 you effectively have 3 players who can't run out of ammo plus one psyker, and all 3 of them are very capable of sniping specials (grenade gauntlet/stubber, any vet weapon, needler). with field improv, ammo crates also turn into multiple chem nades which can each solve one non-captain/twin/boss encounter on their own

[zinc mirage]

is there any indication on how long my stimm lasts or do I have to test it in the simulation thingy

[signal nebula]

you are literally just describing a competent team

[sudden jolt]

mods

[zinc mirage]

gotcha

[signal nebula]

15s, 20s with upgrade node

but get a mod

absolutely essential for it imo

[sudden jolt]

or just be one with the scum

[abstract onyx]

Is this build good or bad https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07faec3-209f-4f93-9f05-de31958fb125/charlie-sheen ?

[tranquil fjord]

melee psyker i find is balanced because its pure dps (although now can be quite tanky) and provides nothing else than simply killing enemies the fastest

[signal nebula]

bad

[dense hollow]

chem dependancy is a dead keystone in this setup

[sudden jolt]

you'll feel it coming when that stim itch starts racking

[signal nebula]

super bad

0 survivability and a nonbo with crate/chem dep

[dense hollow]

melee crit chance and crit dmg on bone saw

reload speed and ranged crit chance on needle gun

[pearl ore]

im really sad crowbar doesnt have thrust

[signal nebula]

it has minor thrust built in

[pearl ore]

exactly

[signal nebula]

2.5 blessings is better than 2

but tbh I don't like the Crowbar at all.

[pearl ore]

yeah but I want 1 of those blessings to go hard as fuck

[sudden jolt]

crowbar should buff the speed for opening vacuum receptacles

[woeful trellis]

this is true - coordinated play tends to make everything a lot easier, but the additional ammo economy provided by scum and the fact that they can do really good damage into everything from any range plus the option to nuke entire elite waves with chem nade means resource attrition is vastly lower than before

[pearl ore]

it should break ice faster

[abstract onyx]

id like me chem build that isnt pure melee im bad at switching weapons without getting killed in the proccess, i have good sucess with reginalds desperado build. I have issues with overstimuli so i cant compensate everything via skill

[woeful trellis]

and being able to use your gun on everything without worrying about ammo means you have to melee less stuff, which reduces danger. it can still get spicy but imo a good scum makes havoc much much safer than it used to be

[pearl ore]

dont sleep on that swap talent at the top of the tree

[tight musk]

Also melee psyker gets scrier's gaze back like...instantly, should it ever run out. Just kill a few elites and specialists while it's active and you get it all back.

Compared to rampage which has to fully run out before you start regaining it.

[pearl ore]

also they can handily run twice as fast as scum while doing it

[signal nebula]

sure you get a lot of safety here, but a hallmark of a competent havoc team is managing ammo. You could create an equally effective party with Zealot, Psyker Ogryn and Vet.

i do agree pickpocket is too good though

[woeful trellis]

yeah, and zealot lets you do different stuff cuz chorus is a second source of gold toughness

it's sort of like a sidegrade that lets you play more proactively? but you have to manage ammo a lot less with scum than with zealot, so a competent team will be able to use a lot more ammo to solve problems instead of saving it

[signal nebula]

Even though i don't always take it in non ranged builds

[abstract onyx]

i think one of issues that weapon swap has a delay makes sense in irl but this is 40k so fuck relalism for the most part

[signal nebula]

I personally think its really cool how many potential team comps there are now with 6 classes

makes theory crafting in a premade group extra fun

not that I have a premade

sad scum noises

[placid drum]

Honestly with alot of my builds I dont even think I have pick pocket on a single one

[north crow]

Phrankestein

[woeful trellis]

the other safety that scum provides is instant death prevention vs twin gas mines

[abstract onyx]

the only chara i can play well in melee is arbi but well its durable as fuck so

[torpid cloud]

Wait can I use the gun butt as a sort of push for boxbursters with my dualies

[astral sundial]

Heyo. Does the "Battle for tertium" campaign change at all for the hivescum ? or can i just skip it?

[north crow]

arbi is playing with training wheels

[woeful trellis]

e.g. if the situation gets out of control and you get mutant thrown into a billion of those, if you have stimm supply buff active on you you'll just walk it off

but if you don't have it, you're at 1hp and the rest is corruption

and then any chip will kill

[rancid hornet]

Arby is for heretics who like to cosplay as turtles.

[dense hollow]

every build on HS is going to kill you if you can only play well in melee as arbitrator

[hasty agate]

Goodmorning Scum

[north crow]

or you can turn that tankyness into extra aggression, it's not the vehicle but the driver

[torpid cloud]

Try ogryn

[astral sundial]

Does anyone know by chance? I dont wanna miss out on potential story ^^

[north crow]

arbi is lowkey more durable on havoc than ogryn

[sudden jolt]

or you can shredder and speedmail bursters towards your local psyker

[north crow]

clunkyness kills

[placid drum]

Ogyrns a solid choice actually

[woeful trellis]

or if you get into really fucked up positions on blight spreads, zealot can only trickle heal it but it stacks way too fast. stimm supply is the only thing that will save you from those kinds of mistakes (ideally you won't be in either of those scenarios but it's happened before)

[torpid cloud]

Don't think it does, but I always just skip campaign by default

[dense hollow]

immunity to corruption and quick heal from it is incredibly good

[woeful trellis]

yeah

[vernal sluice]

Lowkey? I think it's pretty obvious

[abstract onyx]

gunlugger ogy is one build i really enjoy sincce my aim isnt great i play it as supression fire build

[astral sundial]

Thanks ^^ Yeah. I usually do too. I played it once and that was enough.

[sinful matrix]

dripped, not drowned

[astral sundial]

But if it changes for hivescum I wouldnt want to miss out

XD

[vernal sluice]

Plus it's already easier to figure arb out since arbites move like other human classes do

[vernal sluice]

Based, best combo

[abstract onyx]

Would this one be be better for a Chem bbuild https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07d4183-ba69-4d9e-9233-01d141ac7e69/experimental-100-chem-toxin-scum ?

[dense hollow]

extra ranged damage at the top of the tree is a dead node with stim pistol

[rancid hornet]

What is the main difference between the two needle guns, and the difference between the two modes?

[hasty agate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Q3lTLdCVew

[rancid hornet]

The two marks, even.

[north crow]

difference is, you use the mk6, and throw the other into the dumpster

[placid drum]

Different set firing modes ones a explosion on death other is spread for chems

[abstract onyx]

So can anyone post me a good Ranged Needlepistol build?

[torpid cloud]

I didn't realize the uzis can pen through one mob

[north crow]

you dont need a ranged build for needle pistol

ranged dmg does nothing for it

[torpid cloud]

Needle pistol is a sidearm for melee builds

[north crow]

you just need pickpocket

[sleek grove]

you really don't

[north crow]

you really do

[sleek grove]

the needle consumes no ammo, just pick one up every once in a while

[north crow]

you can just spam it into everything on havoc and not worry bout ammo

[placid drum]

I do fine without pick pocket while using it

[north crow]

I am strictly talking havoc

[hasty agate]

You need pickpocket in havoc

[ancient python]

desperado is really good, what about the other builds?

[north crow]

you dont need to worry bout ammo anywhere else

[north plank]

Why run anything ammo economy with Pickpocket

[north crow]

on any class

ever

ammo does not exist outside of havoc

[sinful matrix]

sanity check

[severe zephyr]

Guys what melee weapon would you pick if you would focus exclusively in the uzis and barely use any melee perk

[dense hollow]

rashad

[north plank]

shivs for dodgey

[north crow]

shivs

[sinful matrix]

antax combat axe

[hasty agate]

Chainaxe

[north plank]

unchained gang also melee build is really fun i like the corwbar

[severe zephyr]

How the fuck am i going to choose

[sinful matrix]

use all 4 of them

[rancid hornet]

Lmao. 😂 Fair advice.

[sinful matrix]

find which one is most comfortable to you

[north plank]

Chainaxe.

[sudden jolt]

trick question, you're never switching off the uzis

[torpid cloud]

I'm struggling to get out of heresy tbh
Easy to get caught in a bad spot and/or swarmed

[north plank]

Use chainaxe in all builds

[placid drum]

When I played havoc I used the needle only if there was elites or bosses really

[ancient python]

seems kinda fragile

[north crow]

prolly the best uzi build by cole

[sinful matrix]

uh

[signal nebula]

i hate the Uzis

[sinful matrix]

Don't be bad?

[signal nebula]

really not my thing

[north plank]

scum always fragile

[sinful matrix]

Fuck how do you even help people in this game

uh

[ancient python]

build desperado, helps a lot to be immune to ranged attacks

[sleek grove]

anything/crowbar/bonesaw

[severe zephyr]

Chainsaw seems very balanced but rashad always have give me good moments with the vet

[torpid cloud]

I know I'm bad just stating the facts

[abstract onyx]

https://youtu.be/UBLEWMsBRsQ?si=R5gyGKCNrekhBudA thats the vid i pulled my Desperado build from. But how does desperado do on high difficulties

[torpid cloud]

Very well if you're good and have some aim

[ancient python]

desperado has to fuck up pretty bad to get hit, though of course if you do get hit you go down

[severe zephyr]

Between Rashad and Chainsaw would you pick chainsaw?

[north plank]

which chainsaw

[torpid cloud]

His desperado build is okay but not the best
Really you want vulture for more damage and invuln on crit
Also Flak and unyielding in your uzis

[north plank]

scum has two

[sinful matrix]

Pay attention to audio cues, keep your head on a swivel(Literally, always be looking around you), don't leave cover until you know you safely can, don't be afraid to post up in a spot, don't suicide yourself to get someone off of floor sniffing duty - they can safely be ignored, don't use all of your resources every single fight - work on managing them. Use your stim one fight, your ult the next, grenades the next one and so on and so forth

[random shuttle]

Ok so

[north plank]

I'm not sure why im asking id take both over Rashad

[sinful matrix]

I dunno. Just some of the things i regularly do

[random shuttle]

I must apologize to shivs

[severe zephyr]

The sword specifically

[north plank]

rashad bores me to tears

[random shuttle]

They are pretty fucking goated in the sauce

[digital drift]

I was struggling to unlock auric because every group I got played like they’d never actually experienced darktide before

[ancient python]

i kinda hate that it's uzis, hollywood ass weapon

[sinful matrix]

is this on desperado build

or melee

[random shuttle]

nope

melee build

[sinful matrix]

figures

they will remain stashed

[random shuttle]

deadly as fack shanky boys

[sinful matrix]

I'm too busy enjoying Vet gameplay from 2022

[severe zephyr]

Holywood uzi build it’s funny as hell

[random shuttle]

For my Despacito build

[ancient python]

i would say it's a meme gun but it's older than that

[sinful matrix]

can you sanity check me kerfus

[placid drum]

Shivs honestly are really powerful melee weapon

[torpid cloud]

Aye thanks

Still harsh if I'm the last one standing
Which I usually am since I'm a cowardly scum just shooting up things

I don't clutch well at all

[random shuttle]

I use IAG and Combat Knife

[abstract onyx]

so what would i change on the setup?

[ancient python]

shivs are fun. they just look kinda neat to swing around, that's about it

[sleek grove]

Fuck it, i'll say it, for desperado i prefer chem dependency, more desperading

[ancient python]

nothing really special, the toxin throwing alt is neat

[torpid cloud]

I use shivs for mobility and crushers
Really I'd like a better crusher solution tho

[ancient python]

wish we could get two combat knives

[severe zephyr]

I think they are more chaotic than the other class so probably will make then harder to build cause of the glass canon

[placid drum]

Put coated weapons on with uncanny strikes and the one that had dodge gives crit chance

[north plank]

old dual daggers seem boring compared to shivs

[ancient python]

how do y'all feel about the saw? i haven't tested it much but the single target damage doesn't feel exceptional

[random shuttle]

Saw is grrreat

[sleek grove]

oh it's great, just need some talents on the tree

[hot moth]

you joking, single target is what it's best at

[sinful matrix]

I used it once in the meat grinder, balked at the attack speed, and went back to combat axe

[random shuttle]

It's just a different beast

[north plank]

get shock and Awe on the sawwww

shock and sawe

[random shuttle]

Saw Rip attack does very good damage

[hot moth]

you don't even need to swap to its armor breaker mode, spam heavy 1 on carapace and the dots alone kill it

[sudden jolt]

jank in an affectionate way

[ancient python]

like i said, haven't tested it much

[random shuttle]

with cleave the spread of tox is yum

[severe zephyr]

I guess the saws are the better option for Crusher if you have a focus gun treeperk right

[ancient python]

is it any good for crushers?

[random shuttle]

and having porpl can be a big boon in some places

[warm dust]

so for the stimmed penance i keep the 3 stack of dependency for the whole match and still the penance didn't count what i'm doing wrong ?

[sleek grove]

tbh mostly you need the 2% AS per stamina and a +3 stamina curio to make Bonesaw feel good

[placid drum]

I use saw on my stim supply toxin build and it's great

[hot moth]

very good at killing one crusher, awful at skirmishing with a stack of them because you rely on the rip heavy 1 to do your damage

[torpid cloud]

It needs to run out to count

[random shuttle]

porpl being unique Brittleness means it can help shave down a boss HUGELY

[rare idol]

Saw needs a build to support it but the performance is there for sure

[hot moth]

if you want to duel crusher packs you need shivs

[ancient python]

alright, i'll stick with the shivs for now i guess

maybe i'll fuck around with the chain axe, never really used it

[severe zephyr]

What are the crusher , xpert or elite?

[rare idol]

Yep. I been touching big stuff with brittle on the mode switch and watching it disappear

[warm dust]

so i need to keep it up and before reaching the evac i let's it run out ?

[random shuttle]

With Porpl Jam on bosses I've seen quickest boss destructions outside of Thammer One Shots.

[thin crag]

or run away like frodo baggins

[hasty agate]

Elite

[torpid cloud]

I believe so

[sudden jolt]

I had success with the saw on a clutch though, hit and run tactics really benefit from the toxin stacks

[ancient python]

stinky nade does crusher packs pretty good

[sinful matrix]

trusty combat axe has my back(Though with the crusher HP buffs since I last seriously played, its feeling a bit anemic)

[random shuttle]

Yeah its especially magical when someone else has brittle

and you stack 80%~ brittleness on a boss XD

[severe zephyr]

Thanks i was swapping some chainsword stats, even after 600 hours i miss tons of information about the game

[dense hollow]

it kind of is but it's also kind of safer and better than bonesaw against stacks of them

[thin crag]

is there a dedicated bone saw build?

[rare idol]

It’s also super good with a soulfire psyker around. Brittle all the crushers and they vanish instantly 😂

[sudden jolt]

cole has one in the pins

[thin crag]

who is cole

[rare idol]

And you still get tox on crit if you want it + the tox is great too

[thin crag]

should we listen to cole

[dense hollow]

also i dont like bone saw because it doesn't give on kill effects if the enemy dies to toxin

[ancient python]

how do y'all build shivs?

[dense hollow]

thats why i dont use it

[rare idol]

He’s a bad enough dude to save the president. Are you??

[north crow]

saw fkin sucks really

[hot moth]

doesn't really need one as long as you have one cleave-related blessing (I prefer wrath, if you have big melee damage you can go shock and awe), but it synergizes extremely well with samplecollector

[north crow]

takes too much effort to make saw work to be worth it

[sudden jolt]

#hivescum-class message

[severe zephyr]

Guys can someone suggest me 2 blessing specifically for chainsword vs Crusher

[hasty agate]

Cole’s worthy of your ears, yes

[hot moth]

chainsword against crusher is always going to be extremely meh

[random shuttle]

Eh, if its part of a build that already does its things its pretty great. Can clean H40 with saw so, saw good enough.

[hot moth]

you rely on the special to kill fast but it gets you killed when tehre is a second crusher

[severe zephyr]

What’s the best weapon for Crusher if i has no melee talents

[dense hollow]

yeah not much you can do here, you're super unsafe for not a lot of reward

[random shuttle]

Running away

[severe zephyr]

[pearl ore]

patience

[north crow]

the same build would perform signicantly better with shivs or crowbar, ergo, saw sucks

[rare idol]

Shiv. Flick tox needles at it and then circle strafe for headshots. If cornered you die

[rancid hornet]

The yellow Sample Tarnsport Pack from the Vestures is perfect for HC cosmetic looks.

[random shuttle]

I don't agree but oh well.

Saw for me is big nice utility

[ancient python]

can you parry the crusher overhead? too scared to test

[sudden jolt]

yes

[severe zephyr]

I was going not as bas with the bleeding poison of the dual kneedles but i need some more fast damage

[hasty agate]

More like, run to the ogryn, if there is one

[north crow]

no such thing as utility weapon in darktide

[rare idol]

Yes but if you screw it up you are very sad

[north crow]

not worth sacrificing your melee dmg for, as least

[ancient python]

i haven't seen a single ogryn since scum came out, where are my big boys? ;;

[pearl ore]

smoke grenade

[ancient python]

good to know if i get stuck i guess

[dense hollow]

rashad is an utility weapon

you hit m1 and things die methodically

[north crow]

😄

[random shuttle]

To each their own

[thin crag]

needle gun is requesting your location

[ancient python]

something to do when i'm on the ritalin upswing

[placid drum]

Bonesaw is more about spreading dots/debuffs then outright killing

[pearl ore]

oh you meant weapon weapon

[severe zephyr]

Don’t they improved with the last updates? I have been away from months

[north crow]

the highets dps gun in the game is utility now

that is a weird description

[random shuttle]

yesn't, I mean really. saw kills well enough

[ancient python]

don't remember, didn't check

[pearl ore]

its very 40k coded though

[radiant cosmos]

Hive Scum uses a lot of toxins, inject themselves with chems constantly, use weapons geared more towards cruelty than utility, is made of wet tissue paper....
Is this basically the Dark Eldar class

[random shuttle]

I am a big Grump about this mentality of "This is SSS tier, ergo, everything else is F tier"

[north crow]

literally the easist and most effective way of playing scum H40

[sudden jolt]

doesn't stop purgatus from being top dog

[pearl ore]

"ah yes here our standard scout support weapon

[north crow]

spam needlegun with pickpocket and throw nades everwhere

[pearl ore]

the kill everythingilizer"

[ancient python]

necromunda gang class

[thin crag]

40k fan trying not to mention eldar challenge

[placid drum]

Yea id say it does when I run rampage with it and go brittle coat for overkill

[thin crag]

impossible

[ancient python]

i forget the specific one

[dense hollow]

some slaps on the wrist were given to ogryn and a lot of enemy hp's were buffed without ogryn catching up

he's fine but not as strong as before the hp buffs to enemies

[ancient python]

p sure humans just explode if they take deldar drugs

[radiant cosmos]

more in general the "spiky, tissue paper, poison" archetype

[random shuttle]

I also love Despacito

[ancient python]

deldar drugs are fighting like centuries of tolerance, it aint superior biology, just the sideways lifestyle

[random shuttle]

today by sheer accident played a Solo Auric Maelstrom and finished it no prob on Despacito Scum

I didn't plan this.

[thin crag]

https://tenor.com/view/despacio-despacito-luisfonsi-gif-8379347

[random shuttle]

Just happened.

My first solo

[dense hollow]

turns out everything being dead is pretty good utility

[random shuttle]

"Hive scum is weak" they say.

[ancient python]

desperado scum strong, other builds probably need some TLC

[sudden jolt]

were you using uzis

[random shuttle]

Meanwhile me, a mid player soloing Maelstrom with it. SMH.

[random shuttle]

No

I dislike uzis

I am IAG Vraks big stan

Vrakking it up.

[thin crag]

wouldn’t even say they need TLC, they are all pretty good

[dense hollow]

the only weapon i've been running with despacito is double barrel shotgun

[ancient python]

so easy to get shot to pieces though

[thin crag]

the bone saw to me is really good but it just feels weird to use because of the movesest

[sudden jolt]

ok because I might just label it as a duo run otherwise

[rancid hornet]

15 posts about Psyker melee build being better incoming in 3…2…1…

[thin crag]

eh not really

[pearl ore]

between the middle tree and stimm lab

there is a heavy sword monster there

waiting for me

[ancient python]

scum is the only class i've actually made use of cover with since the first months after the game launched

[thin crag]

i don’t use desperado and i dodge boolets just fine

[random shuttle]

Just me and my rifle which I named

Weapon of Gun

[rare idol]

Was it the all special one? Definitely not no ammo all cara one 😂

[random shuttle]

It was way better than that

[somber blade]

is it the real weapon of gun !?

[pearl ore]

im telling you

[random shuttle]

It was "mostly ranged" maelstrom

[pearl ore]

something evil lurks in the skill tree

[random shuttle]

[rare idol]

[dense hollow]

ive just been playing scum as a zealot

[somber blade]

man there are so many playstyles that are fun for hive scum but i must become max payne

[ancient python]

i want a single, not dual, stub pistol

[random shuttle]

Who would win, Mostly Ranged Maelstrom or One Despacito Scummy

[placid drum]

I do love being the bane of ranged enemies as scum

[north crow]

frenzy rampage crowbar is a better pre13 zealot indeed

[random shuttle]

I do love the Crowby

[thin crag]

i mean considering you’re completely immune to ranged attacks it’s obvious

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

[somber blade]

is the crowbar good in a ranged build tho? i need a meele that can deal with crushers

[random shuttle]

H-hey, there were like 10 scab ragers and like, 10 bulwarks or so

[hasty agate]

Chainaxe

[thin crag]

[dense hollow]

i play pretty much every melee focused build the same and it ends up working because you shouldn't be taking too many hits anyway regardless of your class

just good habits

[north crow]

its the most ethical one

[dense hollow]

crowbar h1 backswing feels good to use

[north crow]

the least able to abuse chem

[somber blade]

gonna have to give that a go and see how it preforms

[random shuttle]

To me Crowby is almost insulting. Because it shows that FS KNOWS how to make a smooth mode switch weapon...

looks at folded shovels

[hasty agate]

I use thrust and thunderous on mine.

[thin crag]

i mean.. holds backwords oh shit

[rare idol]

I been having fun playing drug dealer scum https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085bdbf-209f-4325-ad9b-fb23b79e7020/chem-support-concept

[thin crag]

it’s a fuckin crowbar bro

it ain’t that innovative

[north crow]

the only insulting thing about crowbar is having to run can opener because of the piss shit armor ADM on it

can opener is all but a must

[sudden jolt]

but it's pratically made for the weapon

[radiant cosmos]

I mean it beats Power Sword's
press trigger
hold it in front of you like an idiot to admire it while a Rager beats the shit out of you

[thick hornet]

With the Needler, is it normal that DOT kills don't count for the perks?

[hasty agate]

It’s a feature

[thin crag]

power sword vs scrap metal used to open boxes

[north crow]

yea but thats the thing, crowbar is all but designed to have can opener always

[thick hornet]

So what's the point of most of these perks which will do nothing most of the time

[sudden jolt]

they even got rid of thrust so that it serves as the third wheel in their matrimony

[random shuttle]

at least I can Appreciate Crowbar has build in Thrust Junior

[dense hollow]

they couldve just made can opener a base blessing of the weapon instead of a minor version of thrust

[north crow]

ppl hate mandatory blessings for a reason

[thick hornet]

It limits build variety

[north crow]

excatly

[thick hornet]

I'm running crowbar without it and its alright

[north crow]

and crowbar is nearly non-functional without CO on havoc

[hasty agate]

To be announced.

[north crow]

I am always talking with havoc in miond

you don't need it outside

[torpid cloud]

I may need to turn up my fov a bit

[idle ore]

Crowbar feels so mid 😫

[thick hornet]

Yeah I'm not doing Havoc with Scum

[sudden jolt]

if you think that's mandatory you ain't seen the likes of swift slaying just yet

[torpid cloud]

Is that torbek btw

[thick hornet]

It is mid until you do a melee build
Then it feels great

[idle ore]

I’m running one 🤒

[dense hollow]

the others exist to make you waste more dust

[radiant cosmos]

Crowbar would be overpowered if it was a Zealot, Arbie or Ogryn weapon
Unfortunately (or fortunately), it is a Chain Weapon on a class that can't afford to stand still

[thick hornet]

What build are you using? I'm going for cleave with a Needler to handle armour
I make it so I can swing the crowbar at the speed of sound

[dense hollow]

you have access to +75% melee power

on non rampage crowbar kinda feels icky though imo

[idle ore]

Standard rampage with bottom middle

[leaden lark]

Thoughts on a melee build with bonesaw, needle pistol and chem dependency?

[thick hornet]

Yeah without rampage I rather take another weapon

[idle ore]

Idk I just don’t think the weapon does anything that well

Would much rather play tac axe

[sudden jolt]

its good flavor I guess

[thick hornet]

Do you have the Battering perks? They help with making it a good horde clearer

[sudden jolt]

I like my weaponus bonkus

[thick hornet]

I wield it in the name of the Freeman

[idle ore]

Yea definitely

[hot moth]

the moment you take needle pisto leverything about your build automatically becomes all about it

needle pistol is the single most OP thing in dorktode right now

it kills crushers, it kills bosses, it blows up hyperconcentration

[thick hornet]

My build is far from optimal for pure melee since I went to get Pickpocket for infinite Needler

[hot moth]

it does your taxes

[heady kindle]

Is it a confirmed bug that chem dependency stacks dont interact with stimm supply.

Or am i coping that its a bug and is in fact intended for chem supply ability to not give chem dependency

[abstract onyx]

if i have dodge on my side button on my mouse would i map sprint to the same?

[thick hornet]

I think its intentional

[sudden jolt]

I believe it's getting hotfixed

[heady kindle]

Destroyed my cope with one swift strike.

I thank you

And now someone has reignited my cope

Im deadass trying to make the build work

Its just so hard lmao

[jaunty spire]

can it manage my pension?

[hot moth]

the only way to do both chem dependency AND take box as your ult

[thick hornet]

This update has been wonky on the technical aspect

My knives have been permanently invisible
For some reason my Needler is usually low-poly while everything else is fine
Perks just don't work as they say
There being no synergy with the obvious

[hot moth]

is to go 15second stim and use your box purely as a terrorism bomb

[heady kindle]

Got the dual shivs with chem toxin on crit, got blackout grenades with 3 toxin on explosion, got supply pack to lower stimm cooldown

[north crow]

😄

[hot moth]

it's extremely funny, but ultimately not very good

[heady kindle]

Yeah i got that too

Just did a havoc thirty

Was the perfect build too to clear corruption from tox puddles

[astral sundial]

I think I wanna make a boombringer build

having a bazooka sounds fun

[hot moth]

there's no way to build around the bazooka

it just kinda is there

(it's also mid)

[blissful mason]

Bonesaw feels so weird, it's like I'm cutting into cakes

[thick hornet]

Bazooka is one of the worst blitzs in the game

It's worse krak
You have infinite krak

[severe zephyr]

Y tryed the other day and idk why but i didn’t like it

[hot moth]

instructions unclear, injected krak into my veins

[heady kindle]

I just really hate how i was missing chem dependency for CDR for more chem supply explosion toxins for more stimms for more buffs to team

[manic wolf]

Is it effected by Lethal Prox like other Blitz?

[thick hornet]

It's fun but it needs to regenerate or be a bigger boom in size and damage

[astral sundial]

Awww 🙁

[sudden jolt]

you can do funny damage stim big boom though

[hot moth]

hot take, bazooka should have been an ult

similar to bardin engineer

hitting ult equips it

[thick hornet]

It's funny but it's not the same tier as having all of Chernobyl in your hand

[sudden jolt]

it should give barrel knockback on enemies

and yourself

[astral sundial]

I take it chem grenade is the best atm then?

[manic wolf]

Yeah nah, thats hyperbole

[hot moth]

specced blinders are actualyl very, very good

and way more flexible

[thick hornet]

It's incredible

[abstract onyx]

i was a elf main in VT2 Sister of Thorns was fun and Necro aswell

[hot moth]

but chem grenade is unmatched for clutch potential

[thick hornet]

Toss it and everything dies. It's flame grenade but good

[random shuttle]

While I agree that Zooka is our weakest blitz and is not a good pick, I also must say that those precious rare moment when you see an entire line of Shotgunners patrol and you drop a zooker on top of them to see killfeed go crazy is pure bliss.

[manic wolf]

Bulwark walls also

[north crow]

bazooka deletes monsters

[random shuttle]

Chem Nade is just "I don't actually wanna fight this wave, let them melt"

[sudden jolt]

on the rare occasion a plasma vet or fellow mucker hasn't mowed them down yet

[covert hazel]

how good is terrifying barrage on the autopistols?

[thick hornet]

I just don't see the point of it when other classes do the same without cost
Then if we compare it just to Scum, you got flashbangs which are decent and regen AND spilling the Holy Mountain Dew grenade

[sudden jolt]

terrifyingly bad

[random shuttle]

I think Terrifying Barrage is terrifyingly useless blessing

on all weapons

[warped quiver]

do damage types overlap?
like unarmored, infested, etc

[random shuttle]

since dawn of time 😄

[random shuttle]

no

[sleek grove]

the speedster penance is nevering eh jesus

[north crow]

overlap?

[north crow]

there are units with multiple armor types on em if you're asking that

[sudden jolt]

there are enemies with multiple armor classes but they otherwise default to their torso class

[pale rain]

This class should get this while dodging. Whenever I die, I usually get body blocked.

[warped quiver]

like is exposed infested skin also unarmored

[random shuttle]

Ogryn Supremacy

[north crow]

oh no

[pale rain]

Crack head supremacy

[sleek grove]

best blessings for shivs?

[random shuttle]

Unarmored, despite its name, is an armour type

[north crow]

the names are just types of armor really, ahs nothing to do with logic, not always at least

[warped quiver]

so the +25% traits are really specific then :/

[severe zephyr]

What would you pick agains crusher, subtle and critic while dodging or bleed+damage bleed on weak points with the combat knife?

[sleek grove]

crit on dodge+bleed on crit?

[north crow]

correct

[warped quiver]

basically get +25% flak and whatever else you feel like for the other

[north crow]

it's a damage amplifier vs armor types

[manic wolf]

Scummer is a class with no real stagger, so zook' (though its not the best blitz we got) still has advantages in some scenarios. Particularly when it comes to walls of ogryns in a tight space. Sure, Blackouts are better for general play, but there are many cases where the big rocket is good. The issue isnt even the blitz itself, its avaliability. Blackouts regen, an the 'zook has a measly 2 charges, and can only be gotten back from pickups

[thick hornet]

And I'm taking into account availability. It would be fine if it regenned or we could 'build' one with ammo pickups but its too scarce for the value

[manic wolf]

Yeah, thats the issue with it. Not how it performs. Its just an access issue

[pearl ore]

depandacy is frustrating

[north crow]

throwing sand is a good blitz

[pearl ore]

I keep messing the cd balancing out so I cap out at 2/4 stacks

[north crow]

it's just chem nades are overtuned af

[severe zephyr]

Is the subtle damage ignoring armor?

[manic wolf]

Imo, they're the best choice on the class. Again; stagger is hard to get on Scummer an it can literally save you from death. Chem nades, though strong, also have an avalibility issue. but they actually should, cant say the same about 'zook

[clever wren]

I never use limited grenades anymore, on any class. Imagine being beholden to the map to use your abilities. Like seriously imagine having to go hat-in-hand to the AI director and asking "please kind sir may I have a grenade" (never mind having to do this alongside teammates doing the same thing)

[thick hornet]

Spilling nuclear radiation is not overtuned
It's perfectly balanced to wipe out any horde without doing anything and having more charges than the bazooka

In fact it should be buffed and brought over to all the classes because that's how we return balance in the Force

[manic wolf]

Yeah, I find that quite annoying also

[sudden jolt]

it should melt the floor and drop everyone standing on it off the map

[thick hornet]

Something something dueling something something sword
Balance is heresy

[manic wolf]

I can at least see why Chem has limited access, I cant with zook

[sudden jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-looney-tunes-road-runner-black-hole-hole-gif-16037377

[thick hornet]

It should do friendly fire

[sudden jolt]

I said everyone

[clever wren]

No more hordes
Only an eternity of Carapace and Monstrosities and the laughter of thrusting Dueling Swords

[thick hornet]

I wish the Dueling Sword was never given to the other classes

[manic wolf]

I wish the Duelling Sword would get a meaninful nerf tbh

[thick hornet]

What they should've done is make a custom mark for Vet and Zealot that was a weaker version of the original, so you could have the OG DS for Psyker and a better balanced one for the other classes

[north crow]

I think classes should have a limited weapon pool

like arbi and scum

[thick hornet]

Or just not give it away
I like when the weapons are unique to classes so there's more incentive to swap

[digital mango]

I wish I could use the duelling sword V on hive scum, cause funny dodgy dodges

[north crow]

opening up the arsenal was a mistake

[thick hornet]

I agree

[clever wren]

• Mean words about Dueling Sword added to its flavor text
• Devil's Claw damage against Carapace reduced by 25%

[digital mango]

Gimme ds5 and kerillians dodge through stuff and I'll be playing darktide 8-12 hours a day just vibin

[thick hornet]

• We remembered the Devil's Claw exists. While it is a fun weapon and we have been trying to meaningfully change it so it performs to our expectations. We are nerfing its cleave potential by 30% to fit it better in line with the vision of the weapon.

We also will not let out the Heavy Sword out of the void

[clever wren]

Shroudfield should let you clip through enemies like the Shade

[digital mango]

Oh and gimme a cosmetic for a cloak and hood with a thingie over my mouth so I can properly cosplay my fave kerillian

Or just make kerillian a human and put her in darktide

[cedar cairn]

Between Pickpocket, Cartel Special, Desperado and Blinder, Hive Scum can basically exist with no pickups

[digital mango]

With shield and spear

[manic wolf]

Just take the threat reduction node and make enemies clip through you instead

[clever wren]

Players given a light saber that wrecks 4 ragers at a time and doesn't need to be switched on, weapon disregarded because Bad At Carapace

And I can't even blame them really

[thick hornet]

Blame the AI director

[manic wolf]

Cole posted some clips last night of the HS deleting Crushers whilst using Rampage lol

[reef vector]

for the crowbar, which is the dump stat? Mobility or Defense?

[clever wren]

I guess enough Power and Rending can rescue any weapon

[thick hornet]

The crowbar itself is what you need to dump /s

[thorn prawn]

Defense

[manic wolf]

Pretty much lmao

[thorn prawn]

I spam push attack to get more melee damage

Speaking of heavy swords. Favorite mark on the scum?

Trying to figure out its blessings too. Figured one of them is Perfect Strike

[sudden jolt]

Deathblow + Headtaker/Rampage is generally preferred

[pearl ore]

thats because the HS is fucked up sexy and evil

[tight musk]

Switched off a full melee build and the game got a lot easier.

Turns out giving extra attack speed, damage and crit chance to your entire team like every 30-40 seconds is pretty good. Then you just shoot needles into a crowd and watch toxin spread and kill everything.

[blissful mason]

That is quite a slay build currently, the serial toxin explosion is satisfying to see

[weary pewter]

ok... so, you can make your stun grenades toxic, isn't this op?

[blissful mason]

Though sometimes the exploded grunt is one I am aiming at to prolong my skill🥲

[pearl ore]

I keep hearing that but im unsure how

[weary pewter]

get the pocket toxin

it's in the bottom right side

this is like a better version of shredder nades of veteran

I suppose this is going to get nerfed because pretty sure you can toss a nade to a horde and delete everything in a second

[tranquil fjord]

better version of inferno nades on zealot

[pearl ore]

im trying to adapt my fucked up lawnmower zealot build onto hive scum

and I always adore having throwing knives on that so Ive been taking blinders

question

if you take blinders with pocket chem

[astral sundial]

I suck at aiming the throwing knifes lol

[pearl ore]

do you really need enhanced blinders?

[hot moth]

do you mean giving them pocket toxin

[pearl ore]

I can reliably use them but cant have shivs

[hot moth]

because without pocket toxin they're pretty bad

[pearl ore]

like using the talent point on the grenade

[hot moth]

with pocket toxin they go from merely temporaily knocking aside trash to dleeting it

[abstract onyx]

What Curios do i run on a Desperado build?

[pearl ore]

right right but I mean

could you save on the point you use to go from lvl 1 scum blinders to "I picked blinds as my grenade"

[fair oar]

is bloodletter any good on the chain axe for crusher killing

[pearl ore]

would they be still usable enough to justify spending the talent point somewhere else

[opal bramble]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking if blinders are useful without the pocket toxin talent?

[tranquil fjord]

it hits a certain breakpoint on zealot with the mk12 chainaxe

but otherwise no

[pearl ore]

im asking if the untalented blinders are usefull enough to keep the point

you can unselect grenades now

but I mean

[tranquil fjord]

chainaxe mk4 is headtaker, slaughterer
chainaxe mk12 is headtaker/slaughterer/thrust

[dim moth]

your build does not update in-game if it is not valid

[opal bramble]

Oh. I think that's a bug

[pearl ore]

ah yeah

it undoes it

fuck

[fickle socket]

any good build that useds the right side of the scum tree

[pearl ore]

my evil little minmaxing heart was so happy

the one im working on seems to be coming together if you wanna try it

its not super right treeish though

[tranquil fjord]

chemical dependency and stim box are anti synergy

[fickle socket]

alright

i was using this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07faec3-209f-4f93-9f05-de31958fb125/charlie-sheen

[signal nebula]

This is awful

Avoid

[fickle socket]

did they say its testing

[signal nebula]

Stimm Crate very mid atm

I imagine it's gonna get buffed and fixed after xmas

[tranquil fjord]

thus it is better to take another ult with chemical dependency, or another keystone with stim box

[pearl ore]

in theory this should work with crowbar thought its FOR heavy sword

[fickle socket]

alright, just want to make the right side more useful

since we dont need 3 people who useds rampage
Want to switch things up

[signal nebula]

Sadly no pure right side build can exist atm

You gotta do middle ability right keystone or right ability middle keystone

One is better than the other 🙂

[fickle socket]

dont need the right keystone, i already finish it

[signal nebula]

Do Stimm crate, all nodes, and middle keystone then

• sample collector talent

[fickle socket]

what about the chem nods on the right side bottom, i do find it enjoyable
plus im using the saw with this

[signal nebula]

Sample collector+ chem damage + chem toughness are the picks for me

Rest is whatever

[fickle socket]

where is sample

[signal nebula]

Above right keystone

Stimm cool down node

Mandatory

[fickle socket]

need to find out whats a good build

[dim moth]

oh my god it me

love my stimm box

[signal nebula]

Get rid of Refined lethality

Put on shree

Shred*

And get rid of crit damage it's awful

Add flak

[zenith fern]

How are our lobbies in this fine weekend?

[plucky girder]

im killing brunt

[signal nebula]

I'll send you my crate build when I get in if you want

[zenith fern]

Plenty of new players and new scums

[fickle socket]

sure

[fickle socket]

id love to try it out

[plucky girder]

i forgive brunt

[signal nebula]

Home in about 25m so will msg you then

[plucky girder]

nvm i do love u brunt wtf

[manic wolf]

Im tempted to run some Malice games and see how the F2P folks are doing

[last marsh]

ill be leveling my crackhead if anyone wants ot join

[fickle socket]

thats a nice gun, let me show you mine

[last marsh]

boy got them airsoft guns

[hot moth]

0% damage

what a banger

[fickle socket]

the best kind of gun

[oak bramble]

man i'm so glad the new class dropped i could almost all weapons buy up to max mastery and i finally have a reason to rat my way through levels vacuming plasteel

also shooting barrels is in character

[fickle socket]

should mobil be the lowest part for stub auto pistol or colla

[dim moth]

collateral

[idle ore]

Can I see it too

[dim moth]

it's the worst weapon stat in the game

it is stagger and suppression

[manic wolf]

Its not in the case of Stubs

[signal nebula]

Sure thing

[manic wolf]

They get pinning which you will barely be able to proc if you dump Collat

[grave crypt]

opinions on running both can opener and opportunist for crowbar?

[manic wolf]

An its by far the best damage blessing avaliable on the gun

[manic wolf]

Opportunist/Superiority will be better

[rigid dock]

what does crowbar need for perks? flak/maniac? unyielding? i assume no need for carapace cus of can opener

[manic wolf]

Opportunist is basically a guaranteed proc in beaky mode

[manic wolf]

I run Cara/Unyeilding personally