hivescum-class

[young herald]

haven't confirmed it myself though

[sinful matrix]

So hyper critical and hyper violence work together then? just gotta be wary of precision violence?

[hallow creek]

now i have excuse for my friends, im not bad i swear lul

[young herald]

kinda? hyper-violence makes it easier to reach hyper-critical breakpoints, so it's nice, but at the same time, hyper-critical procs mean 0 overkill, which kills any momentum hyper-violence has built

[sinful matrix]

Oh

Unfortunate, but thanks for letting me know

I don't have the talents for any real builds yet cause I'm only level 22, so was just doing some theory crafting

[hallow creek]

having known what i know now wish i started with the chem penances T_T

[sinful matrix]

People keep ragging on me for the toughness stimm

But I almost have that penance done

so I think I'm doing alright

[amber sundial]

honestly the custom stims are just alright

I wish they got split up more

[hallow creek]

helps if you have it from the curio too

boosts speed by a lot actually

[sinful matrix]

(This is understandable, though. It's the weirdest stimm branch, that basically boils down to panic toughness every 50 seconds and 20% DR for 15 seconds. It's an oddity compared to the other three branches)

[hallow creek]

the medpack is cool for sharing stims but not being able to stab someone else is kinda missed imo

[mint rampart]

is precision violence bugged? im not restoring toughness on hits

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, I don't like that I can't stab teammates.

Especially since I can't pick up world stims.

[amber sundial]

If you proc hyper crit it breaks PV

[sinful matrix]

Like. . . what the fuck. Let me stab someone with the stimm.

[amber sundial]

Hyper crit makes PV never activate for the rest of the match

[fiery palm]

is there a glitch where you go to use your cartel stim and all your inputs get fucked up for a little bit?

[mint rampart]

what is hyper crit?

[fiery palm]

and then you stim

[mint rampart]

oh nvm

i see it

thats cringe

[amber sundial]

Yea it sucks rn

sadly

[hallow creek]

happens on desperado for me in addition to what you have

[mint rampart]

i legit thought i was going crazy

[amber sundial]

If this were the case it’d be so much cooler a class

[mint rampart]

i was like "wow i guess i just suck" cause i kept dying

[fiery palm]

Not using desperado, I'm using Autism Fit or whatever the middle ability is called

[nova tangle]

Ok, so swift endurance feels so good on bonesaw holy

[hallow creek]

im of the opinion its the worst designed of the 3 abilities (rampage)

[young herald]

this is an issue with the guarantee weapon swap mod

[fiery palm]

But basically I go to stim, it doesn't stim, I'm stuck for a bit and inputs get-

[young herald]

it stopped once I turned that mod off

[mighty belfry]

I'm gathering that Hive Scum is a particular case where you don't want more than one in a havoc lobby

[fiery palm]

okay this is it

[manic wolf]

Stubbies carrying hard ¬.¬

...

[fiery palm]

kind of insane we have to use a mod to make the swap weapon key swap weapons lol

[amber sundial]

Vet eating the most lol

[sinful matrix]

what mod is this

[manic wolf]

PowerDI

[sinful matrix]

I feel like charlie sheen

I think it's him where he opens the bag labled dead bird and there's a dead bird inside it

surprisingly, cannot find it in the gif search

[manic wolf]

LMAO, got 30,000 buff reports in that last mission... Thirty... Thousand.. buff procs

[sinful matrix]

Sounds like playing ogryn

I swing once and my buff bar has 92 things in it

and half of them stack to 10

[hallow creek]

bruh the duster only really matches other store cosmetics smh

[sinful matrix]

Welcome to fatshark

[manic wolf]

Its not even that nice a getup tbh

They did Scummer dirty on the drip front

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-netflix-arrested-development-gif-27340708

This?

[last roost]

okay what mod is preventing me from sprinting on this class? has something to do with the stimms

[hallow creek]

defaults are really good though. THE SHOW BABYYYY

[amber sundial]

guarantee weapon swap most likely

[thorn sapphire]

Do we fw this chat

😭

[last roost]

already updated it though

[barren thorn]

The show pants best pants

[amber sundial]

no clue then

[manic wolf]

Yeah, the default stuff is good, premium, not so much

[nova tangle]

i have seen a build gorden fentanol in the last few hrs so no

[amber sundial]

“I AM ASS AT THE GAME, there i said it”

[manic wolf]

Riders for me

[last roost]

someone sucks at the game 💔 💔

[nova tangle]

fr

[young herald]

no, it's (mostly) dumb. The guy's not entirely wrong, insofar as Scum's harder to play well and its output isn't orders of magnitude better than every other classes', but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Having a class cater primarily to the try-hards for once isn't exactly a crime. Scum is powerful and well-designed. People screaming about it being weak are just people telling on themselves about how bad they are at the fundamentals of the game

[amber sundial]

I’m ngl I thought you were fully shirtless because the iron rider shoulder pad blended in for me

[manic wolf]

Lmao

Not got nekked skin yet

[versed kraken]

what do people think is the dump stat for needle pistol?

[last roost]

i honestly got some learning about this class to do to get any good at it

but this class is fine

[amber sundial]

Damage

[hallow creek]

I call this one "Warning: Canadian Suit"

[last roost]

I suck at the game too basically!

[plucky nymph]

2.5mil needle pistol, just hit level 30, havoc 40, 8% att speed stim only, stim crate ability, this gun is dumb as fk...untested...

[manic wolf]

This is kinda it yeah.. its a fundamentals orientated class. Honestly I feel like its put in for the players that were there day 1 to say "Look, this is for you to play with and put into practice all you've learned"

[humble trout]

What do yall dump for Shivs?

[manic wolf]

Same as usual

[sturdy linden]

Mister Pee

[nova tangle]

but but theres no shield to hide behind vet and scum need buff

[hallow creek]

I think its a lot of ego too, arbites really hammered in some bad habits. Hive scum was a rude awakening for me.

[plucky nymph]

u can alwaysblindly spam slide with melee immunity on slide if you dont want to think about surviving

[young herald]

look, just grab yourself a chainaxe, put on your mask, and go ride that meat bicycle

[hallow creek]

IM THE CONDUCTOR OF THE POOP TRAIN

[nova tangle]

iv grabbed a bonesaw and to many drugs to count thank ye very much

[young herald]

chaxe is super fun on scum btw

[hallow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-train-gif-15347229

[amber sundial]

Oh yea I grabbed a chain axe earlier from shop

How’s its boss dmg?

[nova tangle]

speaking of the chain axe what skin is that?

[humble trout]

Gonna say turn around pretty lady to Zola ong

[young herald]

some slop shop one from back when they did the black skins with skull decorations

[nova tangle]

yk, im actually curious how usefull is slippery customer in the normal loop, I dont really think i slide all that often while in melee range ?

[sturdy linden]

which one?

[nova tangle]

kinda seems like a intentionally do it for value perk

[sturdy linden]

isn't it really slow as a weapon?

[manic wolf]

Probably a part of it. Arb was very much released for players who wanted an easier time (not saying thats you, just thats the design behind it) whereas this is not

[nova tangle]

good news scum has a lot of melee speed buffs!

[rare idol]

It’s actually a build issue. There are a lot of bait choices in the tree that are really bad. That’s sorta the issue with the tree

If you take too many of the bait choices it doesn’t matter how well you play, you won’t do well

Don’t take all the cleave for bone saw? Enjoy hacking individual pox walkers to death

One at a time

[hallow creek]

I have been maining arbites for the past few months, sparsely playing the other classes. Going down after a couple pot shots was tilting

[nova tangle]

zealot has book, psykers got peril block (and inf smite), arby has infinite shield, orgyn exists, but scum and vet need more mechanical fundamentials always imo

not saying fundamentals dont exist on other just that if you dont wanna learn them theres options to suceed

[covert rock]

Do any other melee scum use desperado? I use it since I find ranged invincibility more useful then the melee buff of rampage

[rare idol]

If you’re bringing desperado and primarily stabbing you are throwing

[nova tangle]

pure curosity what are they iv found a few, but am kinda hyperfocing on chem damage stuff, so unsure on the stuff out of it

[wind egret]

Does anyone know why Chem Dependancy is cooldown regen and not reduction? Is this intentional?

[broken moss]

i believe the term youre looking for is "canadian tuxedo"

[flat mist]

This indicates that you aren't good enough to afford using desperado. You need practice surviving. Ranged immunity won't help you do that.

[broken moss]

thats wild

[broken moss]

you do realize you get DR with rampage, right?

[bronze glade]

lets see desp do this

[spark bough]

Is Hyper Violence worth it? it seems decent but its also a weird one.

[bronze glade]

yes it's very good

[flat mist]

Fatshark haven't told us its a bug, so probably intentional.

[rare idol]

I dont think so

[rustic zinc]

This passive = "wait, enemies have RANGED attacks?"

(It's not QUITE that, but close haha)

[nova tangle]

i think its build dependant but when its good its really good, and when its bad its dogshit

[candid flint]

goofy

[covert rock]

I just find it more useful when I’m berserking and just walk through
enemy fire

[flat mist]

Not close.

[wind egret]

Yeah... I thought so. This character has some really weird wording. Most likely they decided to change it during the feedback phase.

[sturdy linden]

[hallow creek]

damn guys leave the guy alone

[covert rock]

Everyone make fun of me!

[flat mist]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hive-scums-nimble-talent-reduces-dodge-time/115867

[manic wolf]

Yeah, thats true, but Arb is particularly egregious in that aspect, as is Ogryn. Ogryn is a victim of powercreep and community demand for him to be strong, but Arb was built from the ground up to be turbo casual friendly

[covert rock]

Maybe I just suck at not getting shot

[sturdy linden]

#hivescum-class message

you were saying?

[nova tangle]

wrong person/message?

[hardy spruce]

linger only affects melee btw and dodge distance actually makes you start taking dmg from ranged earlier

[flat mist]

Yeah my b but ima just leave this here anyway

[hardy spruce]

it's a weird talent

[broken moss]

yea but like literally you can pop rampage and run at gunners

at least in auric

[covert rock]

Yeah

[nova tangle]

ok wait i legit just swapped onto nimble from slippery

[steep hatch]

this is fake, right?

[nova tangle]

i should probs swap off lmfao

[hardy spruce]

not really

the melee dmg part works

[covert rock]

Btw I’m still only like level 15 but what is best stim build for chainaxe

[hardy spruce]

it's just that the dodge distance part makes it so your linger starts faster

[steep hatch]

I realize I forgot to include hte +3 stamina in it lol

[amber sundial]

Fake yea

[hardy spruce]

and you start taking damage from ranged faster after a dodge

[steep hatch]

😭

[hardy spruce]

(with nimble)

[flat mist]

And it doesn't apply to ranged

[manic wolf]

Eh, still worth it, distance increase is massive

[rustic zinc]

How does dodge even affect melee though? I always assumed it didn't have any special mechanics (you just either avoid the swing+hurtbox or not).

[rare idol]

Look at Cole’s pinned builds

[hardy spruce]

It breaks enemy tracking

[rustic zinc]

Ah I see

[covert rock]

Right now I’m running full speed juice and then starting to add points to strength on my stim

[nova tangle]

ill agree with ya there, but hey thats called lore accuracy

[hardy spruce]

the issue with nimble is just a general issue with how dodge distance is coded

[nova tangle]

whats the actual range +3 stamiina is real? is it just 500?

[manic wolf]

It do be like that, Crackhead vs Tanky policeman

[amber sundial]

410+

[sturdy linden]

I did, both crowbar and heavy sword have HyperV allocated

[nova tangle]

im pretty sure i saw someone say chem damage needed a buff

[covert rock]

But yeah I thought I was going to run Chem scum but I ended up running melee instead

So much fun

[nova tangle]

you should come back to chem scum its fun

[flat mist]

Run it with rampage for the love of God

[covert rock]

I will next time lol

[hallow creek]

i wish there was better ways to apply it than just power crept flame grenades

[amber sundial]

Melee scum making me enjoy Hsword

It’s peak

[manic wolf]

Ngl, it kinda feels like an unkillable god at times, particularly when you have to kite a DH

[nova tangle]

needle pistol! and good cleave bonesaw

[sturdy linden]

I am just waiting for some shitter to die using ranged scum in auric and come here bitching about how Desperado needs a buff

[covert rock]

I run chainaxe with my scum

[sturdy linden]

that'll be the laugh of the month

[winter tusk]

Unkillable God for most of these people means true grit limited to 50 damage from an overhead on arbitrator

[hallow creek]

yeah... but i dunno outside of that is just chem on crit? like ehhhh?

[manic wolf]

Its only a matter of time

[hollow mural]

does toughness regen stimm affect all regen or just the passive overtime

[rare idol]

Bone saw doesn’t, others also don’t

[nova tangle]

fair,

[flat mist]

The most popular darktide youtuber wants it to be buffed

[manic wolf]

Coherency regen (its bad)

[hardy spruce]

just the coherency regen

[flat mist]

And the most hated one too

[rare idol]

It’s good it’s not mandatory good

[sturdy linden]

yes, in other news different weapons synergize better with different talents

[rare idol]

Ok so then why be hostile?

[nova tangle]

im really thinking youtubers dont really understand scum tbh

[nova tangle]

booby trap and pocket toxin blackout nade

[fair oar]

did i win the game

[sturdy linden]

because you said it's not good which is objectively false, rather than categorize that it may not be good for every single weapon, and you're telling me to look at Cole's builds without doing the same yourself lmao

[nova tangle]

yes

[flat mist]

I bring you tragedy in build form 👌🥴

[hallow creek]

chem steals your blackout procs for regen tho

[rare idol]

I said “I think no” which is not some absolute statement

[nova tangle]

im sadly comically fucking aware

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-cat-rzygać-wymiotować-torsje-gif-24750478

[flat mist]

You're saying you don't exist

[rare idol]

You then decided to throw a hissy fit at me for really no reason

[broken moss]

it needs to not get cucked by other players' chem damage stacks

[rare idol]

Ahhhhh

👻

[hallow creek]

wouldve been an s-tier combo otheriwse

[nova tangle]

ok im actually not aware of this pls explain?

[manic wolf]

What even is this?

[nova tangle]

im wondering if chem kills not proccing shit is a bug or not

[broken moss]

it works similarly to warpfire. if someone else applies it first, your damage is meaningless

[nova tangle]

ah, was not aware of that

[knotty cipher]

So if there’s another saw user I’m boned

???

[nova tangle]

just be more agressive

real talk tho, its probs the same situation as stacking auras

[rare idol]

The details on how warpfire ownership works requires an entire book length document

[flat mist]

A hybrid build I'm trying (its absolutely not going to be good)

[flat mist]

What is there to it other than whoever applies it first has ownership

[nova tangle]

Also speaking of chem builds I present to yall this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0849549-9b45-4683-a9ac-91d225302c82/mass-toxin-build (actual good thing hopefully)

i fucked the link

[rare idol]

You really want the defensive talents in middle tree

[flat mist]

Horrible. Tis but a scratch and burst of energy are basically mandatory

Reducing damage from enemies is garbage

[elder needle]

no regained posture for the bone saw?

[nova tangle]

tis but a scratch seems wierd to me is it legit good?

[elder needle]

[blissful gull]

what are the best ranged weapons for melee scum builds?

[flat mist]

Adrenaline assassin is horrible

[rare idol]

Here’s where I ended up for a chem support style but I’ve got a lot more in middle for melee https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085bdbf-209f-4325-ad9b-fb23b79e7020/chem-support-concept

[flat mist]

Not having stoked rage is ridiculous

[manic wolf]

At least one of them. I only take the TDR node myself, but not having either? Yikes man

[nova tangle]

imma be so real im getting kill stolen alot from chem damage so was getting alot of adrenaline stacks which is why i took it

[flat mist]

Then take the +4 stacks on killing blow +10 elite node

[nova tangle]

chem damage doesnt proc it

[flat mist]

Neither of them is TDR.

[nova tangle]

unless it was just bugged when i tested it

[rare idol]

Stabbing to finish them is what you want to do anyway

Otherwise no toughness gain

[flat mist]

Hive city brawler is maybe what you're thinking of, but that's DR

[sturdy linden]

Adrenaline Smiter improves your Adrenaline uptime

(against anything but bosses)

[rare idol]

Against bosses it’s fine, two slaps with purple saw then tox that bad boy up

[kind mist]

The headshot adrenaline boost is enough for me

[manic wolf]

Yeup, thats the one, sorry, so I take HCB and Tis But a Scratch, dont bother with other one unless melee build, hybrid and Desperado got just those two

[nova tangle]

alr welp, lemme go back to the sdrawing board a tad

[hollow mural]

for shiv what perks yall recommend

[candid flare]

[candid flint]

Carapace + unyielding

[flat mist]

Can I go 60% collat for autopistols or do I have to go mobility 🙁

[rare idol]

Chem dependency so bad 😭 make it empower me chems

[nova tangle]

ok i feel like im getting gaslit, but does running flak carapiece like actually do anything notifceable for the neddle pistol

[rare idol]

I have mine set up to literally just run and gun because nothing matters but the tox application

[bronze glade]

i haven't tested but i kept collat for pinning fire, though idk if collat matters even for that

[manic wolf]

See if there is any notable stagger breakpoints in psyk, if there is, keep collat and use Pinning, if not, dump it

I kept it for Stubs as you can stack pinning on Ragers an what not, which is big

[nova tangle]

thats what i had before but ive only seen it ran with flak carapiece so im starting to doubt myself

[hardy spruce]

only if you're holding it

[rustic zinc]

Crit+Flak

Though honestly it might be excessive? Not sure.

• what's base Shiv crit? (15%, like I think the combat blade was?)
• 20% from Riposte
• 20% from talent
• 15% from dependency subnode (Chem Enh)
• 5% from minor node
• 5% from aura

Total is 80%, so technically 5% is still something but I would guess the relative value of a damage bonus would be higher than the change from 80->85% crit chance?

Oops sorry Scummed this was in reply to the shiv perk question not to you.,

[bronze glade]

only for the impact damage

[novel quest]

yea it increases tox dmg

[acoustic quail]

what are the crowbar and the surgeon saw good for

[nova tangle]

ah

[candid flare]

[novel quest]

crowbar good for everything but you have to invest quite a bit into it
bone saw great for single target focus

[bronze glade]

saw is good, but slow

[candid flare]

Crowbar is good for deleting armors with can opener

[flat mist]

Ugh no, not crit or flak

[rare idol]

Bone saw goes wild if you boost the cleave and attack speed enough

[nova tangle]

woe be upon ye 10mil crowbar hits to the head in a moment

[rare idol]

You just start blending

[flat mist]

Carapace unyielding

You don't need flak even remotely

[broken moss]

IF you invest in stamina curios and get the perk that gives AS for stam, its decently quick

[hollow mural]

copy that

[lucid raptor]

gordon freeman build rules

[bronze glade]

it does not

[lucid raptor]

carpal tunnel tho

[broken moss]

but now were getting into real glass cannon territory

and tbh theres not much cannon in the saw imo

[lucid raptor]

bladed momentum and what on the heavy sword fellas

[nova tangle]

you know it baby

[bronze glade]

yeah just quite slow by default

[novel quest]

I've field tested this. it does

[bronze glade]

test again

[novel quest]

mf

[rare idol]

Well do you have video?

[novel quest]

I tested it FIVE TIMES

IT WORKS

[acoustic quail]

this node benefits from the saw?

[broken moss]

no

[rare idol]

You can also use tox on crit or needler aoe but yeah saw kinda likes it

[nova tangle]

heavily

[broken moss]

only if you actually kill it with a hit, not the tox

[acoustic quail]

yeah thats what i thought

[broken moss]

they really worked this classes kit against itself

[flat mist]

Yes it does lmao

[last cloud]

can someone give me a crash course on the bonesaw weapon and the switch mechanic?

[rare idol]

Melee tox traits have the same problems psyker fire melee traits have: it kills too fast to really benefit

[flat mist]

Just go into the psykhanium and test it @bronze glade

[acoustic quail]

ill go crits build and chem on crits

ty

[rare idol]

Crowbar gaming time

[rustic zinc]

I think it's more health pool size than anything affecting "glass cannon" feel tbh.

[manic wolf]

Big potential damage, very clumsy in matches

[nova tangle]

green is poision purple gives brittle

[candid flint]

Green poison on 80% of the time. Save purple for carapace(crushers)

[manic wolf]

You need to be able to swap mode mid-swing imo, that'd make it much better

[rare idol]

I had fun using it, it’s solid. I don’t really expect any hive melee that isn’t axes to butcher everything super efficient like

[rustic zinc]

Yeah at minimum having the swap be a lot faster would be nice.

[last cloud]

[lucid raptor]

what blessings/perks are heavy sword peeps using

[acoustic quail]

also already out there a mod to make it easier 2 know when the stim is ready?
fatshark couldnt bother a sfx or sum

[lucid raptor]

i heard the buzz

[last cloud]

fuck you crowbar you are not my favorite anymore. hello bonesaw

[rare idol]

Heavy sword crit tox could be fun tbh what with all the attack speed boosts

[bronze glade]

??

i tested it multiple times

[rustic zinc]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

[bronze glade]

unless psyk is lying

[lucid raptor]

buddy told me to stack rending

[manic wolf]

Oh its super capable in terms of mulching everything, but swapping mode is just awkward an the beak mode seems to often grab stuff you dont want it to and when elites are mixed in with trash, targeting them specifically can be finnicky

[rare idol]

No reason not to do both, you can dip for a little tox and still get tons of rending in mid

[flat mist]

you need to reload the psykhanium after you change perks

[nova tangle]

also oh boy time for my favorite park of darktide

troubleshooting mods

[bronze glade]

you don't

[rare idol]

My experience was crowbar struggles with groups of carapace

[rose flax]

So bone saw can't even use that talent unless in brittle mode?

[bronze glade]

test it yourself cunt

[rare idol]

😮‍💨

[flat mist]

i already have dummy

[manic wolf]

I got it to two shot with Rampage up, so it can certainly deal with them well, its just catchin it on other stuff makes it hard work

[rare idol]

Everyone should relax it is only game

[flat mist]

video incoming

its loading now

[hardy spruce]

it's good if it's a conga line but if not you need unstoppable force and both cleave talents

[flat mist]

he's literally always a cunt to me so he gets the clown reacts

[bronze glade]

lol i don't even know who are you

but glad i'm making a difference in people's lives

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/lx1WwV

[rare idol]

Yeah I believe it, the more switch is neat

Ok so we have proof that cara and flak traits make a difference to tox from needler?

[flat mist]

you'e delusional. i can find you ranting about how my takes are always bad if you like.

[bronze glade]

do it

spend your time doing it

[hardy spruce]

Yeah you just need to clear that 12.5 (I believe) crusher hitmass

To be able to cleave through them

Assuming you're not fully charging the heavies

[nova tangle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0849549-9b45-4683-a9ac-91d225302c82/mass-toxin-build Alr heres v2 of the build hopefull its less agregious lmao

[flat mist]

this isnt some epic takedown dude

[hardy spruce]

Cause unstoppable force disables carapace hitstop on partially charged

It's like

[flat mist]

"oooh a human is affected by my toxic behaviour - got em"

[hardy spruce]

You have to fully invest into it for it to start cleaving

[rare idol]

remembering to charge heavies beyond the minimum?? Couldn’t be me 😂

Unless it’s hammer then I sway for that full charge goodness

[hardy spruce]

so if you do that you just have to cleave through the crusher's hitmass

[covert obsidian]

I am now a level 30 HiveScum

[rare idol]

Now you can put on the weird looking outfits!

[hardy spruce]

but like with all that investment id really just rather run saw

I get the funny debuffs with it too

did y'all know that the built in brittleness stacks with other sources

[nova tangle]

currently troubleshooting mods, but do yk if the chem damage takes the modifiers from the active weapon or only the one that applied the chem damage if its active?

[hardy spruce]

so you can have up to

uhhhh

77.5% of brittleness I think?

[flat mist]

@rare idol are you running cole's saw build?

you too gloop

i havent quite made it feel good yet

[covert obsidian]

I have the cool coat from deluxe edition tho

[hardy spruce]

no I havent looked into any builds

sver

[flat mist]

running shock and awe and cleave tho, dw

[hardy spruce]

I'm just vibing and doing penances

[rare idol]

I did, it’s pretty good. He solved for me the “why no dmg” problem 😂

[hardy spruce]

really annoying that tox steals all your procs so tox blinders just don't work with saw

at all

[flat mist]

someone said FS confirmed thats a bug atleast

so future scummers can look forward to it (2028)

[hardy spruce]

I sure hope so

[nova tangle]

thats to quick of a timeline

[rare idol]

I highly recommend sample collector gaming, it’s quite fun if you can get it into a build

Stims come off cd super fast

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cheapest-drug-tim-meadows-dewey-cox-gif-17887399

[nova tangle]

we love double the opportunitys for drugs

[hardy spruce]

I hope they rework dependency into stim cd

[rare idol]

I want to try a chem dep rampage build with a cracked melee stim and sample collector, I think that could be super fun

[flat mist]

it is

[rustic zinc]

Honestly the strongest build in my experience.

[rare idol]

Idk I really like bag + melee keystone

(Whatever the purple thing is called)

Bag lets me vibe in the gas

[hardy spruce]

I wish the faces would go away tho

[flat mist]

perks for dual autos? flak and something?

[rare idol]

I went flak maniac out of habit

[flat mist]

i dont need it to kill monstrosities really

[rare idol]

It’s mostly good for snapshotting gunners when you’re sprinting at them

Or nailing specials etc

It does basically nothing other than potentially kill steal vs bosses

[obsidian crown]

just got kicked from an auric event mission b/c I was "killing too much"

[flat mist]

dont people just use it to kill everything with desperado

[rare idol]

You can but I was thinking of it for the rampage stuff

[broken moss]

translated "ran ahead and spawned a bunch of shit while people were dealing with the event"

[obsidian crown]

actually no, I did all the events. They got mad at me for killing everything, "not fun for them" they said

[thorny ginkgo]

over desperado?

[rustic zinc]

Yeah Desp+DualAutopistols is plenty of fun on a ranged build. You just kill everything and then Crusher/Bulwarks show up andyou're like "damn, I can't shoot you" and hopefully the rest of your kit solves that problem.

[rare idol]

It’s extremely rare to be kicked

[broken moss]

ive literally never been kicked

[obsidian crown]

I was literally killing all the boss spawns too 💀

[broken moss]

and ive made games boring for people on my flamer psyker

[rare idol]

You have to piss off three other people

[rustic zinc]

Yeah it just naturally picks up all the good stuff tbh.

[obsidian crown]

they were a group

premade

[broken moss]

u runnin dual auto pistols?

[sinful matrix]

The kick system is rarely used, and strict enough that it's a "If everyone's an asshole" situation

[obsidian crown]

yeah

[sinful matrix]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that you probably deserved it if you got kicked

[broken moss]

ammo whoring

[obsidian crown]

they were literally like 20 offense score eacch

[obsidian crown]

?????????????????????????????? you don't fucking need ammo on HS

[sinful matrix]

Oh.

[restive mortar]

I wish the Water Cartel wasn't the low rung penance rewards

[novel oracle]

who

[sinful matrix]

We're pulling out the scoreboard stats

Neat

[broken moss]

i mean if you have pickpocket you dont but you also still do if youre shredding hordes with it

[obsidian crown]

???????????????????????

[rare idol]

I think he’s a total war YouTuber?

[broken moss]

theyre hungry

[obsidian crown]

I can tell you haven't played desperado gunslinger

[nova tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/lazytown-robbie-rotten-iceland-athletic-men-male-models-gif-16494019

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, pickpocket is infinite ammo if you're only shooting elites/specials

[rare idol]

I feel like I saw that name in connection with total war w long time ago

[restive mortar]

It makes me feel less prestigious

[obsidian crown]

pickpocket has literally no cooldownn

[sinful matrix]

if you're magdumping hordes outside of despacito it can get kinda grim

[broken moss]

played it plenty

[flat mist]

he used to do total war warhammer videos, did early darktide a lot, bannerlord. lots of other games too.

he's ok for beginners

[obsidian crown]

if you need ammo on desperado with uzis, you have a severe skill iissue.

[broken moss]

with auto pistols and the dual stubs

[manic wolf]

If I use my Stubs all game and no melee, I still need to pick up ammo, but its less than I would pick up with any other class whilst not using the gun even a third as much

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, it reminds me a lot of pre-nerf vet

[rare idol]

Nobody remembers what penance gear comes from 😂

[thorny ginkgo]

my first game running level 30 desperado on auric mael, weapons werent even maxed out

[sinful matrix]

It's not quite strictly infinite ammo in the real world

But it's pretty damn close

[restive mortar]

But I do
But I do

[rustic zinc]

How do people get the scoreboard to not crash? :/ Is it just my needle gun crashing things?

[shut grotto]

Mobility the dump stat for shivs?

[restive mortar]

Also the transcendent pants are gaudy asf so that's going for me

[thorny ginkgo]

you need the patch in the modding discord

[rustic zinc]

Yes. Plus you're scum so mobility is ALMOST always dump because you have so much already haha

[manic wolf]

Whats funniest is that Ogryns an Zealots will actively ping ammo for you because you're massacring all the ranged stuff an they dont gotta worry about it

[rare idol]

I remember the og penance gear because the penances used to be a total pain and people were proud of it in early DT… but then everyone was only wearing that and it got very repetitive

[sinful matrix]

I'm never taking these pants off

[nova tangle]

pure curosity do you have the link? Im not in the modding discord?

[dawn portal]

dont have to do laundry that way

[rotund agate]

btw, am I weird for using the "Rending while above 50% duration" node of Rampage without also using the bonus cleave one on a Taxe build?

[rare idol]

That’ll be awkward in the bathroom

[broken moss]

real. any time im slaying that hard most teammates will toss me supplies

not kick me

[shut grotto]

Almost Always? Any of the Scum exclusive weapons not use mobility as dump then?

[flat mist]

great time to join

[shut grotto]

Just fucking rolled 2 60 damage shivs in a row

[sinful matrix]

Nothing that the rejects don't deal with daily

[thorny ginkgo]

i'll send it to you privately

[candid flint]

I watch him. He's cool. Hasn't really covered or played darktide for awhile though

[obsidian crown]

I understand you're a bit dumb. But I told you the reason the premade group kicked me was b/c tthey acttually said it in the fuckking chat "you're killing everything, not fun for us, bye"

[dawn portal]

You can dump dmg on the needle gun. Damage is from DOT

[broken moss]

says the guy tellin everyone he got kicked "cuz i was killing too much"

[manic wolf]

P'much yeah. Being able to remove all the range and still deal with everything else to a decent level is something less range capable classes seem to really dig. Its much less obnoxious than Psyker too fi you can tolerate 1million gunshots going off per game

[obsidian crown]

That's what they typed in the chat, god damn, you're dumb as fucck

[flat mist]

bro chill its not unheard of

[broken moss]

been playin a long time and never seen or heard of it. so for me, its unheard of

[obsidian crown]

blocked b/c I can't be assed to deal with a low IQ monkey

[rustic zinc]

Yeah I think it was maybe autopistol? Collateral is a dump stat option there because

• Collateral only provides stagger (fairly irrelevant) and suppression (potentially useful, but easy to give up)
• Mobility lets you Despacito that much deeper into enemy territory while murdering everything.

[broken moss]

blocked cuz called out on stupidity

[candid flint]

Italianspartacus is kinda based. Every video he makes, he drops a tl:dr, and upfronts the knowledge in like a minute or less. Doesn't milk the time. He covers game patches and some news. Build guides ect. Cool dude, but yeah I haven't seen much darktide content from him in like 1 or 2 years

[shut grotto]

Oh huh, tbh my next question probably woulda been about dmg on that so good to know, thank u

[shut grotto]

Ah cool, might reroll my autopistols then

[thorny ginkgo]

arguing over a pve game 😭

[shut grotto]

I run Defences as dump on crowbar but idk if I should switch that over to Mobility instead

[rustic zinc]

Honestly I'm struggling to see crowbar value on this class at all. The class REALLY loves fast and crit-heavy weapons, and there aren't enough talents like that +15% dmg vs. staggered thing to make slower weapons feel good imo

[thorny ginkgo]

uhhh

[manic wolf]

Tbh, Ive never heard of it either, an I've had matches with score differences like this with twice or more then next guy an almost 4 times the last guy.

[flat mist]

this is such a dumb take

[shut grotto]

Idk, I quite enjoy it. Not properly tried shivs yet on a good build since using them for levelling but gonna give them another try

Crowbar is fun tho

So is bonesaw

[bronze glade]

it's... ok on a melee build

[thorny ginkgo]

[thorny ginkgo]

never that serious

[bronze glade]

the stagger damage talent is basically always a skip tbh

[broken moss]

I don't hear complaints from anyone

[hardy spruce]

life is short, spend it arguing online

[broken moss]

I've seen psykers do like 4x the damage of the #2 and nobody has tried to boot em lol

[broken moss]

it's free comedy

[thorny ginkgo]

lmfao being booted over that is funny i never heard of it

[manic wolf]

I can understand people getting pissed off by an ammo hogging Ogryn who just spams Rumbler all game because thats disruptive to everyone, but other than that? Nahh

[rustic zinc]

Certainly in the current talent situation where it's just the one isolated fit to slower-swinging weapons.

[sonic pumice]

what's the point of the other mk of the shivs? they do more area swings but they feel just the same as the normal one, and the heavies dont feel particularly better. Do they have a niche?

[broken moss]

idk people make a claim like "I got kicked for killing too much" you kinda leave yourself open

that's a wild concept

[thorny ginkgo]

darktide is a new esport game

[young herald]

better cleave and faster attacks iirc, but it trades off being much clumsier into single targets

no real reason to use em

[thorny ginkgo]

i see people say scum can outperform psyker on killing power, what do yall think

[flat mist]

Has more cleave

[sonic pumice]

that is lame AND depressing, i wish that the heavy stab that comes from push attack would be much stronger to compensate

[broken moss]

nah

[thorny ginkgo]

class only been out for 4 days btw

[broken moss]

i think autopistols are it

but idk if thats competing with psyker

[thorny ginkgo]

most def not

[mighty dew]

How to do chemical dependency penances?

It didn't count for me for some reason

[manic wolf]

Its really, reaaallly hard to beat a weapon that has infinite cleave and shits out DoTs

[thorny ginkgo]

which one?

[primal oriole]

oh yea, it's all coming together

[thorny ginkgo]

[manic wolf]

Ive been sayin for years that Purgatus ignores half the game mechanics an needs a sledgehammer nerf, but it will never happen

[thorny ginkgo]

i dont see any classes topping psyker, maybe im biased

[primal oriole]

now i just gotta do 69 (nice.) more missions and it's all done

[thorny ginkgo]

i find scum more fun rn because you actually have to try compared to purgatus

[shut grotto]

Ngl these penances haven't been too bad to complete. Actually been pretty fun

[rustic zinc]

Yeah so weird how they just never balanced purgatus. Thing clearly should be garbo against armo'.

[shut grotto]

Need to just play 100 missions now and do like 1 more damnation mission to completion

[candid flint]

It is garbage against armor

[shut grotto]

Are Channelled Aggression or Pulverising Strikes worth takin for Rampage?

[primal oriole]

yea, until you gotta get your teammates to stand in chem supplies and do the ONE THOUSAND heavy attack kills when under the stimm influence

[bronze glade]

then there's uncanny strikes

[candid flint]

The problem is that it benefits from rending

[thorny ginkgo]

people say voidblast is better but i dont see it

[shut grotto]

Oh yeah, the 1000 heavy attacks one was rough tbh, that took a while. Gettin the chem supplies one wasn't too bad honestly surprisingly. I mostly had trouble with the regen toughness while under stimmfluence

[vast ferry]

😏

there are ways

[primal oriole]

the thoughness one wasn't as bad as the 2000 second stimm influence, until I found out the cd

[rustic zinc]

Yeah I just don't take enough damage anymore, so the stim toughness one has been slooow.

[trim wind]

Toughness regen can be done in 2-3 games with crate

[rustic zinc]

I also dread having to intentionally use the rocket. Guess I'd go back to Desperado build for that

[primal oriole]

by no means was it difficult, my last one was the 1000 heavy attack kills

[broken moss]

is there any reason to run the other shiv mark? seems weaker all across the board

[trim wind]

Rocket is easy fire into elite blob

[rustic zinc]

The other shiv does seem like garbage at first glance

[flat mist]

channelled aggression is ok, could be taken with specific weapons but is often skipped. pulverizing strikes is picked almost always.

[candid flint]

I know

I was abusing uncanny + executor stacks before most

[primal oriole]

with all the ability penances done i can finally experiment with builds, and I found a seriously good one

[broken moss]

ive not actually brought it into a game but just looking at stats and how its dominantly cleave based with lower damage, just seems useless

[candid flint]

People still dont abuse executor

[broken moss]

lights with the 1st mark do pretty good clear but then you got the strike down for heavies

[primal oriole]

consistent damage output, a lot of toughness regen, bullets bullets bullets

[candid flint]

Uhhhh can I get a source on this chief

[rustic zinc]

I messed around in Psyk just now and it really just seems like if you REALLY want to use Heavies to cleave instead of lights, for some reason. (It's not likwe 're ogryn, but well...people WERE just mentioning struggling to finish the "Heavies while stimmed" penance I guess? )

Only single target is push attack into heavy3 far as I can tell, and it seemed even worse than typical Shivs against Crushers.

[fallen acorn]

yall got any management approved levity time builds for Hive Scum? I keep seeing Cleaver builds and no disrespect AT ALL to Cleaver but im justsort of not looking for a cleaver build

[flat mist]

theres no fun hive builds, sorry

[shut grotto]

Yeah alr, thank u. Was running Channelled Aggression with Bonesaw then realised it wasn't actually doing a whole lot for me

[rustic zinc]

Fun? Sir, this is Darktide. I'm calling Dukane.

[broken moss]

yea doesnt sound like the business

[candid flint]

Shivs + rampage + adrenaline

[broken moss]

wonder what the intent was from the devs

[primal oriole]

depends, do you wanna have fun as a murder hobo that dies to one of nurgle's infectious sneezes

[broken moss]

this late in the game i dont see them just throwing out useless marks like that

[primal oriole]

or do you wanna have fun as in, run and gun and run and gun until you run out of bullets and your homies cultivate seething hatred because you're stealing all the ammo

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-gif-13982427

[primal oriole]

Ah.

[fallen acorn]

not really looking for any one thing just something different

[rose flax]

https://youtu.be/24v8ly9JU2k?si=sHqbYvpUIUMuj37- is the last few minutes(man stopper and scatter shot together) accurate to this day?

[flat mist]

shiv hyperviolence rampage swift endurance unga bunga

[crimson harness]

Can I please get some recommendations regarding the support type builds with stimm supply? I got it how to properly made fun and useful ranged and melee builds, but I'm puzzled with what to do with stimm supply

[broken moss]

run a gun build

[steep vale]

Its always so jarring seeing the mtg art for poxwalkers not on smth mtg related

[broken moss]

cleaver really good into bosses in my experience but kinda sucks elsewise

[blissful gull]

are the IAGs better than the dual autopistols/stubpistols?

[ionic escarp]

Lie: The Chemical Depenency penances aren't counted as getting max stacks is difficult as hell, especially regarding what the max is meant to be. 3 or 4?

[fallen acorn]

Hive Scum just feels like a very diverse class which im appreciating

[primal oriole]

I had the same worry when I wasn't getting it

but it dosen't matter

3 or 4

just do it with 3 because you have 90 seconds opposed to 60

[steep vale]

I got 1500 seconds on my first mission after getting the ability

[primal oriole]

the penance popped for me when the stacks depleted

[ionic escarp]

Are you sure about that? My lack of progress begs to differ.

[primal oriole]

(aka i died)

yes.

i am sure

[rustic axle]

wait a minute, i think my very first needle pistol was the god roll

[crimson harness]

For desperado builds I'm pretty sure IAGs are somewhat on par with Dual Auto. But stubpistols is a bit whack on desperado. They are fun and badass to use, but constant reloading even with buffs gets a bit old

[rustic axle]

it's all 80s with the dump on damage

[primal oriole]

as a matter of fact, let me

[steep vale]

The ability only counts if you lose the stack

Its bugged

[primal oriole]

omg...

[rustic axle]

my god i wish i had this luck on my bonesaw

[steep vale]

Those are numbers all right

[steep vale]

God i fucking LOVE the bonesaw

Hold on

[primal oriole]

omg HADRON!!

its the message link dammit

[dawn portal]

Anyone got any hot tips for doing the Kills with Heavy attacks with stim active?

[steep vale]

Much better

[primal oriole]

there

[steep vale]

Real

[primal oriole]

@ionic escarp

i did not have the 4 stack node applied during this run

[shut grotto]

Crowbar because it's got decent heavy attack, at least imo, and run the lil perk point that gives you extra time on your stimms

[dawn portal]

Hm, havent done much crowbar yet. Ill give it a shot

[rustic axle]

this channel bitches about the crowbar because its special is single target

[rustic zinc]

Seems weird to use a slower weapon (crowbar) to do a challenge relating to heavying a lot during stim (time pressure = fast heavies are better)?

[flat mist]

idk why anyone wouldnt just use shivs if they were trying to do it quickly

[dawn portal]

Wouldnt a high cleave heavy be good? or is it only one per swing?

[flat mist]

it says kill enemies

[shut grotto]

Genuinely don't see how that's a bad thing when lots of weapons have single target special attacks. I like it for dealing with Carapace when i'm out of other options

[flat mist]

you should actually be using a tac axe

into hordes

[rustic zinc]

What's that even supposed to mean?

• you have limited windows to heavy
• shivs heavy faster
• shivs are also absolutely dominant and probably the best weapon in the class right now

[alpine nacelle]

so can someone explain to me the difference between the two marks for the needle pistol?

[flat mist]

re-read what i wrote lmao

[sinful matrix]

I just had to do the no man's land penultimate finale solo 😭

I've never had to think so hard before

[flat mist]

im saying shivs would be good

[rustic axle]

"Oh the bonesaw's special does the same thing and hits multiple targets!!!"

no, it gives brittleness, thats not the same thing as rending

[sinful matrix]

did get this done though

don't think I'm taking the toughness panic off though

cd be damned

[rustic zinc]

I could buy that TacAxes are probably better for the heavies.

[shut grotto]

Imo this was the hardest penance to actually do on scum

[flat mist]

shivs more fun though

[spark bough]

probably a long shot but is there any mods that're currently broken and crashing the game i should look out for?

[shut grotto]

NumericUI, Scoreboard mod

[sinful matrix]

wat

I got it done by level 24

How the fuck are people finding this shit hard

[shut grotto]

Nah, it took me forever, even with a toughness stimm because I got good enough at avoiding damage except for like high stress situations

[flat mist]

because its physically painful to pick top left tree

[sinful matrix]

top left

[flat mist]

oop

[sinful matrix]

can't even hate the stimm tree right

:p

[flat mist]

😭

[rustic zinc]

Well Puri...it has a sort of Balmer's Trough of difficulty

• if yer bad, you're on the floor and not getting toughness gains from stim
• if yer mid, you're getting hit sometimes and getting gains
• if yer great, you're just not getting hit, so there's no toughness to regen

[sinful matrix]

Well I'm definitely not mid

I just tend to play fairly fast and loose with ALL of my resources

[rustic zinc]

I feel like I'd have to intentionally take the first hit after stimming to make btter progress on it.

[sinful matrix]

and health/toughness is among those

[shut grotto]

Got told I was the best scum player earlier, just sayin

[sinful matrix]

lmao

I thankfully won my clutch

team died 3 times?

[shut grotto]

I did not because it was Clandestum Gloriana in the section where you gotta break the ice before heading up

[sinful matrix]

This shit ain't hard folks 😭

[patent bone]

With the use of mods... I present you all: Tread Lightlies accurate colors!!

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I was on No Man's Land

so no mechanics to deal with thankfully

[shut grotto]

So infinite spawn enemies and I had no chem grenades left to give me some room to revive

[sinful matrix]

just kiting things in circles

with some of the most dogshit map design I've ever seen

[shut grotto]

Yeah, that works when it's not infinite spawn

[sinful matrix]

fatshark really needs to chill with the greebles

[shut grotto]

Honestly I feel like the reason you see so many dogshit scum players is because it's people who don't understand the basic funamentals of the game

[sinful matrix]

I don't get how, when you have unironically 10 meter dodge range or something

You can infinitely run away from the karnak twins

let alone everything else in the game

[shut grotto]

Imo i'm above average, like i'm decent at the game but there's absolutely a tone of people better, but when you see so many shit scum, 1 above average scum player must seem amazing

[trim wind]

(The toughness stim penance is like, way way easier if you're just spamming crate on your team)

[sinful matrix]

I just stabbed myself with my stim

[hardy spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079235834777186406/1446735211260940378/do2oWjy.mp4?ex=693510a9&is=6933bf29&hm=ea1700cdb3d37aa69157ffaa2dd03623a7096d7f8e8fd59fa7abd40120858d3d&

[shut grotto]

I'd use stimm then pop crate

[hardy spruce]

pickpocket probably has like

a week left to live

[sinful matrix]

peak stim design

[shut grotto]

It's that gonna be like insane cooldown though?

75s?

[sinful matrix]

65s

basically vet's grenade cooldown

which is

[steep vale]

Mine is at 73

[sinful matrix]

completely fine

[limber cradle]

I really like uh

10 percent movement stats bottom left on stim tbh

[trim wind]

Take sample collector, profit

[shut grotto]

Yeah I quite like the 10% movement and the attack speed imo

[limber cradle]

I love this talent man

[hearty thicket]

objectively best stim lab dont @ me

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cheapest-drug-tim-meadows-dewey-cox-gif-17887399

[shut grotto]

This is peak for Rampage tbh

[steep vale]

Thats why i run bonesaw

[limber cradle]

da juice

[steep vale]

I benefit more than you

Get that 2% on every kill

[flat mist]

3 points for a whole 1.25s off your ability cooldown... if you have longer stimm duration

[trim wind]

Blinders with toxin node can also shave a good chunk of cd

[sinful matrix]

I dunno

I'm not really trying with the stimlab

[steep vale]

True but id have to waste a point for that

[sinful matrix]

the only big buff is the strength one

everything else could be ignored for all that it matters in the long run

[flat mist]

I'd go two points in cdr instead

[sinful matrix]

Though

to be honest

the 20% DR isn't bad

that's DEFINITELY noticeable because we get so little of it

[steep vale]

Melee kills reduce ability cooldown

[rustic zinc]

Feels like it's more relevant to Desperado non-dependency builds? (The CDR part of the stimm tree I mean)

[steep vale]

Rampage! Stimm. Rampage! Stimm repeat

[sinful matrix]

I dunno. I just don't feel like the Stimlab is actually making all that much of a difference in missions

Don't get me wrong, leaving it at 0 volume used is pretty dumb

[rustic zinc]

Or you could rampage WITH the stim, clear the entire screen, and finish out your rampage's 30+ sec duration (over the 15-20 sec stimm) getting more kills towards your next stim?

[sinful matrix]

But whatever you do with it doesn't -actually- matter

so long as you ARE using it in some capacity

It's not your skill tree in power level

[steep vale]

Cuz stim cooldown doesn’t start till its over

So i hold off

[flat mist]

That's why he said finish off

Out*

[sinful matrix]

like, this talent alone is stronger than any stimlab combination you can cook

So I value the efficiency of the stimlab very little

[steep vale]

Fair

[lofty vessel]

best blessing for shivs?

[bronze glade]

uncanny + FT/riposte

[flat mist]

uncanny

[rustic zinc]

Right and it's over at ~15sec and your Rampage lasts 30+ secs. So that's 15 seconds of rampage kills regenning your stim back, yeah? Plus with dependency you'll have 30-40% cooldown regen anyway

[steep vale]

Oh true

[sturdy linden]

fellas

I want to win 1 auric to get my scum to lv 30 and go to bed

[low harbor]

shivs are not close to the actual best weapon this class has unfortunately

[sturdy linden]

SURELY the randoms will let me do that right

SURELY

SURELY

[steep vale]

Nope sorry

[sturdy linden]

[rustic zinc]

You'll never sleep again, I'm sorry.

[steep vale]

This gonna be you

[sturdy linden]

[steep vale]

This pissed me off bruh

[flat mist]

what do you think is, and why dont you rate shivs

[low harbor]

rashad

[steep vale]

Forcing me to solo the easiest mission in the game

[low harbor]

shivs are ok

they scale ~same as knife in the context of hvs

[sturdy linden]

how'd she de-servitorize

[low harbor]

but knife doesn't work with hvs kit that well because u need to spam push atk for max dps which costs stamina = reduce ur own atk speed

[steep vale]

You level 30?

[rustic zinc]

Right but we were talking about hte penance and getting a lot of heavy kills in the window of a stim, and clearly Shivs are great at that. (As would be tacAxe)

[sturdy linden]

oh right I'm 1 off

no wonder

[low harbor]

I think the best one for that is heavy sword tbh

[sinful matrix]

Axeypoo

Can you show me a bottom third of the tree that makes shivs not ass

🙏 pls and thanks

[low harbor]

with rampage u kill 4 ragers per swing on heavy

[rustic zinc]

Oh sorry you're using the wrong Shiv mark?

Don't do that.

Don't use that mark, it seems absolutely terrible.

[low harbor]

no I'm comparing mk1 shiv

[sinful matrix]

I know they're talent dependent, but I'm not sure what people are using besides Hyper Violence

[low harbor]

I never even considered mk3 shiv lol it's ass

[bronze glade]

i don't understand the point of the mk3 shiv

like what were they even thinking

[low harbor]

someone at some point thought
man what if we did haymaker knife but real

[placid drum]

The crit melee hit that applys chem and the keystone that in the same branch works well with shivs

[robust sable]

Can the game stop shoving me into losing matches please? <3

[low harbor]

anyway back to this
rashad on hvs with melee spec build is
1 light atk both ragers
2 heavy atk mauler
3 heavy atk crusher (with ability to interrupt overhead)

there's not really anything that competes at that level of dps

[flat mist]

brrrrr

[rose flax]

I think this should be pinned, I've noticed sometimes after loading the game up for the first time after starting your computer, that after a mission(or leaving meat grinder for example) that your performance tanks ever since the latest hotfix, for some reason,
You can fix this by going into the meat grinder and stay in it for a few minutes

[low harbor]

this is >power sword level melee dps

basically

the only class that beats this is psyker

[flat mist]

bromentum headtaker?

[low harbor]

if hypercrit wasn't bugged (or gets fixed to not bug out precision violence), u could run that, and just crit 1hs mauler

which works even for havoc40 hp scale

cuz a crit heavy on carapace head hits for like 3000+

[low harbor]

unarmored, carapace, BM, headtaker

[spark bough]

I kind of wish the secondary mode on the Needle actually spread Toxin in a small vicinity. the explosion does such little damage.

[flat mist]

damn u need ua for bruisers presumably

[rose flax]

Which mark are you using?

[low harbor]

not "needed" but it helps to make the weapon way more consistent
also it scales overkill better for hyperV

if not unarmored then go unyielding

[spare scaffold]

i know we just got the class, but i'm fiending for dual axes as an option sometime in the future i wanna go full slayer bardin again

[spark bough]

the Mk VI, low key didnt even notice there was another.

[low harbor]

basically every melee capable of carapace killing now is some sort of flak/unyielding + carapace
only exceptions are combat axe and tac axe

[flat mist]

adrenaline frenzy for speed and damage?

[sinful matrix]

let me level my scum up to 30 and I can throw instead of randoms :p

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1446252573769072681/IMG_4206.png?ex=6934a0ab&is=69334f2b&hm=882ba9d17ce83591d1cc41f78a77cc7545a1e82d6ffd37b8ac431f1a55eb2ec8&

Rashad III combat axe (unarmored, carapace, brutal momentum, headtaker)
Boltpistol IV (maniac, flak, gloryhunter, other blessing is whatever)

[thorny ginkgo]

this is the idea setup right @low harbor

[flat mist]

yeah sick thats 2 points different from what i was running on shivs

[rose flax]

only difference is blue mode I believe

[candid flare]

I'm on I'll play. Promise I'll only ever throw when BoN shows up and I run to them shouting "Puppy wants to play!"

[low harbor]

adrenaline smiter is insane for rashad

5 stack on kill
15 stack on elite kill

[flat mist]

1 hit 20+ stacks if u crit

non elites

[low harbor]

kill 2 elites (in a single swing if u have rampage) and u proc it lmao

[thorny ginkgo]

this is my lower tree... should i just remove the right side

[low harbor]

I don't think bottom right is worth if u don't play bonesaw ngl

[thorny ginkgo]

what 4 talents do you think i should invest in?

[flat mist]

i was running stoked and battering on shivs and hoovering map ammo instead of bringing my own

only diff

[acoustic viper]

Yeah, I think you’d be better off getting stuff like the 25% weak spot node at least

[trim wind]

Guess what the other mark does

[thorny ginkgo]

i like just going crazy and doing hella damage

[thorny ginkgo]

bet

[low harbor]

25% weakspot dmg (if ur not using needle pistol or brace fire guns)
15% mag size into pickpocket (cuz hypercrit bugged)
maybe adrenaline's TGH/s

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[random plover]

hey just to double check black outs regen passive only regens on ranged close range kills right?

[thorny ginkgo]

15% mag size is good for needle?

[low harbor]

just try mine and see what u want to tweak then

[thorny ginkgo]

bet

[young herald]

at minimum, you should be picking up the cleave on melee kill node in the middle, for almost every weapon

[low harbor]

for combat axe / tac axe, u don't need

saves points

another reason why combat axe is best melee on hvs

[warm ivy]

can anyone ELI5 me the difference between mkII and mkVI needle pistols?

[dense hollow]

any close range kill made by you

but if you're using bonesaw keep in mind toxin kills dont give you progress

[young herald]

one makes targets explode on death, the other makes targets apply a stack of toxin to nearby enemies on death

[rose flax]

Did the hive scum break mobility giving 5 dodges when at 80% mobility for melee? everything else works like 4/3 dodges, yet nothing gives 5 dodges, not even new shivs

[random plover]

AHH that explains it ty so much birdman

i think every kill my current build uses is likely from dots

[wise sorrel]

why do we not get, like, clothes

[spark bough]

yeah i just tested that. Why even use the first Mk then?

[thorny ginkgo]

wait what ranged weapon are you using on the rashad build

[warm ivy]

ooooooh now I see the Switch Mode Description
thanks

[flat mist]

@low harbor lets goooo

[low harbor]

Rashad III combat axe (unarmored, carapace, brutal momentum, headtaker)
Boltpistol IV (maniac, flak, gloryhunter, other blessing is whatever)

[young herald]

when fatshark added the dodge counter to the base UI, they did a -1 on all the dodge numbers for the UI. It didn't change anything in the gameplay, but the UI makes it look like you ran out of dodges when you've still got 1 left

why they did this, I do not know, but they did

[thorny ginkgo]

you like bolt over needle?

[low harbor]

use headtaker

[low harbor]

boltpistol is 1hs gunner/flamer any distance with the build I sent (auric)

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

thanks

[low harbor]

and gloryhunter gives toughness

[flat mist]

oh i forgot to rebless it

[low harbor]

vs gunner waves

helps with attrition

[rose flax]

Wait so even though, the stats in inspect says 4 still, it actually is 5? Also that explains why I have the same dodge distance exactly when out of dodges for one dodge

[low harbor]

according to kuli (when I asked abt it) the new dodge counter display is the correct one

[broken moss]

same reason they used whole numbers for things like stamina but hid the decimal values and rounded down-ness of them

[low harbor]

and that the previous display was always wrong

also it wasn't -1 to everything

it was everything that had >3 dodges shown (inaccurately) got reduced by 1 (to be accurate)

3 dodge weapons and 2 dodge weapons were always correct

[young herald]

numeric UI gives +1 on the numbers, and when I tested the actual dodges at 1 vs 0 in numeric UI (0 on the default), it was behaving like the numeric UI number was correct ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flat mist]

what stimm lab are you using bath

[low harbor]

CD rate for melee kill

15 points

rampage end, pop stim

[flat mist]

the best, most boring bath

[low harbor]

stim end, rampage back

[flat mist]

path*

[low harbor]

rampage up, kill stuff

wait 59s (44s of stim recharge + 15s of stim uptime where it doesn't recharge)

[fair oar]

should rampage have that negative effect at the end?

[low harbor]

not hard to sustain rampage vs elites for 60s

[low harbor]

yea it's alr

[low harbor]

if sample collector was more accessible I'd prob run atk speed 2nd route

[low harbor]

cud just be that the 5th dodge doesn't affect dodge stats that much

[flat mist]

if you have both ammo auras in the team maybe

[low harbor]

cuz the first negative dodge usually isn't that bad

[low harbor]

why ammo aura

this like the 1 class that doesn't care abt ammo when using gun

[flat mist]

im saying you could drop pickpocket to free up points

and get SC

[low harbor]

eh, it'd be just 1 point

cuz I originally intended to have hypercrit as well

only swapped it off cuz of bug

[flat mist]

fair

[young herald]

tbh, if anything, it should be worse. Rampage running out should eat all your dodge charges too. But in return, it should fully restore stamina and dodges as well as toughness when you activate it

[thorny ginkgo]

collateral or mobility for dump stat on bolt pistol?

[low harbor]

collat

[flat mist]

if you run regain posture losing your stam is so whatever, aswell

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[rose flax]

But I am talking about greater than 3 dodges, talking about 80% mobility stat not giving 5 dodges, for example shivs

[tulip fiber]

is vulture's dodge bugged? it's not immune to melee attacks at all although it still works against ranged attacks. I tested with creature spawner

[low harbor]

yea because 5 needs 100% mobility

80% gives 4.8

[obsidian crown]

Why would it be immune to melee

[uneven jungle]

I was super worried about it for no reason at all, it's totally fine

[obsidian crown]

It’s only ranged

[low harbor]

this doesn't round up, but down

[robust sable]

Carrying a game again.
We wipe after the Ogryn Rumbler's a Burster on top of me.

They also almost killed me with a Barrel due to indiscriminate Rumbler activities

[drifting heron]

Bumblers on their way to annoy everyone and suck despite playing an insane busted build

[tulip fiber]

doesn't its description say grant immunity to all attacks?

[obsidian crown]

Says ranged. Wym?

[harsh reef]

should count

[young herald]

in the scum tree "immunity" means "in dodge state"

[dense hollow]

it does say all attacks

[obsidian crown]

It’s ranged

Not melee

[dense hollow]

it's both

[drifting heron]

It requires ranged to trigger

[flat mist]

vultures dodge and the slide talent stop enemy melee attacks tracking you

[drifting heron]

And it says all attacks

[flat mist]

they dont give invulnerability

[obsidian crown]

No it’s probably just a mistranslation

[sturdy linden]

rip, didn't win. Dunno what I expected with a woundgryn in the team

[obsidian crown]

Because both would be way too fucking busted

[wise sorrel]

how do I regenerate throwing shivs?

[low harbor]

it is vs both

[obsidian crown]

No it doesn’t work vs melees currently

[acoustic viper]

Backstab kills and elite kills I think

[lone otter]

am i fucking insane? why does it feel like pox bursters are being rather menacing rn

[obsidian crown]

I’m saying it’s probably a mistranslation

There’s no reason it should be both, that would just be a stupid ass broken talent that needs a day 1 nerf

[drifting heron]

Their audio is weird, fatshark knows

[hasty agate]

Not necessarily

[obsidian crown]

🙄

[tulip fiber]

hmmm, I stood still when testing. not sure how much effect can dodging state take though

[obsidian crown]

Let me put it this way

You can go up against a pack of 100 gunners with an uzi and be fine.

[obsidian crown]

Make it immune to melee too? Broken.

[young herald]

no, it's absolutely both

however, you can and will die to melee attacks while it's active

it works exactly the same as slippery customer

[flat mist]

because it stops melee attacks tracking you... it doesnt give you invulnerability

[tulip fiber]

dude, stop educating me. if it doesn't work as described, it's FS who needs to fix it

[young herald]

you count as dodging, meaning melee attacks won't track you, but if you get tagged by them, you'll just die

[acoustic viper]

It would be busted if it didn’t rely on crits

[young herald]

it's busted as fuck regardless

[obsidian crown]

It really is

[young herald]

almost as busted as desperado turning off ranged damage

[obsidian crown]

It’s practically the same thing

With dual Uzis

[tulip fiber]

I get that, so I'm just trying to figure out how effective this dodging state is

like does it really do anything

[harsh reef]

you still need to be outside of the crusher overhead hitbox

[young herald]

it means attacks won't track you, so you can just side step and avoid melee damage, whereas without it the enemy would chase after you and magnetize to your ass

[acoustic viper]

Honestly I couldn’t tell the difference without or not, since the amount of suppression inherently stops all the chaff from attacking you, and dodging the stuff that makes it through isn’t too bad

[low harbor]

@obsidian crown just checked

it does work vs melee

at least in meat grinder

[dense hollow]

it works in real games too

[hardy spruce]

does it work in real life tho

[low harbor]

@obsidian crown

[obsidian crown]

There’s night and day difference with it tbh. I’m watching some dumb streamers not using it on desperado and they’re dying to ranged dmg when it’s down. But when I’m using it, it’s like perma desperado vs ranged

[obsidian crown]

You know you don’t have to tag me 3 times in a row or something right?

I’m still here

[hardy spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/idgaf-smug-smug-monkey-lion-beta-gif-2814800372123763926

literally this

[tulip fiber]

that's a good demo. thx

[low harbor]

yea

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[obsidian crown]

Does angles matter for melee

[viral monolith]

The dual 1911’s are very fun to spin

[hardy spruce]

pickpocket is probably getting removed from the game in the next balancing patch

probably alongside vulture's dodge

[uneven jungle]

Hivescum more like hive fun

[lavish parrot]

Say fellas what are the dump stats on bonesaw? Mobility and that's it or the crit bonus also?

[hardy spruce]

it's probably gonna dethrone ogryn and psyker as being the #1 class that doesn't let you play the game

with desperado

[low harbor]

shouldn't

[viral monolith]

Me slowly walking towards the scab sniper while spinning my 1911’s will never not be funny

[obsidian crown]

I would agree but there’s a LOT of bad desperado players folding in aurics and up

[hardy spruce]

oh def there's a learning curve

[obsidian crown]

Even with these perks

[hardy spruce]

but it's easy to deny kills

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

[hardy spruce]

like extremely easy

[obsidian crown]

In a good player’s hands

[hardy spruce]

it's like outcast engineer

[obsidian crown]

They just erase the map

Only weakness I would say is a pack of crushers but you have nades or shiv throws and heavies

Usually throw 2 shivs and then heavies and you get 2 back on kill

[hardy spruce]

I think you can tank overheads with dependency

[obsidian crown]

Repeat