hivescum-class

[keen timber]

which is so easy

[manic wolf]

Its not tbh

[limber cradle]

Don't even get me started lmfao

[keen timber]

dodge literally makes a big fucking noise thjat warns u to dodge

[sinful matrix]

Oh. Hi Wyv 👋

[glad latch]

Yeah same. 5 seconds makes no difference.

[keen timber]

u dont need to predict

hey puri

[sinful matrix]

WB to the darktide server

[keen timber]

im back

yueah

[sinful matrix]

Enjoy the shitshow :p

[limber cradle]

I genuinely think if you think hive scum sucks its the single biggest self report in darktide rn

[tropic crag]

the class is less glass cannon than how i play melee pysker so this class feels normal... its about as squishy as how i play melee vet which isn't that squishy

[amber sapphire]

like, desperado with uzis is borderline op, you can legit run full maelstrom auric and never use melee

[green granite]

if your using the bone saw to apply your chem toxin, damage doesnt effect it on the blade

[sinful matrix]

Definitely with pickpocket

[manic wolf]

Non-Shout pre-second-rework Vet was squishy, Scummer is just tanky enough that you dont die instantly as soon as something sniffs your ass

[sinful matrix]

If you don't have pickpocket, its a little more involved

(But I think everyone is taking pickpocket so meh)

[limber cradle]

Why would I ever not want free infinite ammo

For killing things I should kill anyway

[tight musk]

"It's only an 11% decrease in cooldown"

So like, 3 curios cooldown reduction perks rolled into one talent point?

[tropic crag]

i always skip free ammo nodes

[keen timber]

i cant imagine ever not taking it

[manic wolf]

I will say tho, Scummer does get pretty fucked by Bursters and if you do get netted, you basically just die, but the rest of the time? Perfectly fine

[tropic crag]

i never need to pick up ammo in a mission, if others need ammo thats on them

[sinful matrix]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong Tong. I'm just saying that to further clarify the statement that there's slightly more going on than "Just take desperado and win"

I like to be specific where I can

It helps with learning the game

[tropic crag]

survives them better than melee psyker tbh, the class isn't as glass as people like to say

[rose flax]

Can you recreate the scout from tf2 with scum?

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think the biggest downside desp has is how invincible you feel inside of it. Easy to overextend.

Wdym by recreate

[manic wolf]

Can't comment, not played Nu-Psyker yet

[glad latch]

Almost, but still 5 seconds is barely anything for a 45 second cd. 10s would be noticeable.

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, like old vet before the skill trees, it was really easy to keep chasing those highlighted enemies and find yourself with no teammates around and a special train coming for that booty

And it's much the same here

[versed spruce]

When there are 5 seconds left of Desperado I slink away like a little baby

[tropic crag]

the melee build i've played has stayed basically the same since the skill rework, its gotten slightly worse since the last update but just more glass

[sinful matrix]

I don't think I've played Psyker since the skill tree update lmao

[versed spruce]

I need to play more Desp now that I have enough talent points to get to the bottom of the tree though

[manic wolf]

Old (release) Vet was absurdly tanky though so it generally wasnt a massive issue, but that being said, we were all a lot worse back then

[tropic crag]

by skill rework i mean like... the first one

where we got skills lol

[sinful matrix]

My last relevant knowledge was that throwing knives completely dominated the field regardless of any other classes on the team

[manic wolf]

An they could just turn enemies off. Im so glad they killed that

[sinful matrix]

I have no idea what Psyker is up to these days for builds

[glacial gyro]

This is why I recommend blackouts with desperado, if you find yourself chasing the dragon too hard and then come down, you can use blackouts to unfuck your fuckup

[sturdy linden]

comparing that to Desperado is a very intelligent take

[versed spruce]

Assail is usually the best in slot pick for psyker these days too but it's a little less ridiculous now

[tropic crag]

i only play melee pysker because its fun to play a true glass cannon, the ganger is more like a firm cardboard cannon

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, the thing that release vet had over Desperado was 90% DR to EVERYTHING, not just immunity to ranged

[manic wolf]

Imo Blackouts are just the superior grenade choice in any build tbh

[sinful matrix]

So you could play REALLY brain off

[novel quest]

yeah, it's just that I feel like I can't trust my own judgement right now. being able to one shot crushers with a very passive setup is good, right??? having lots of DoT on a boss is good, right? because everyone seems to say otherwise

[versed spruce]

If you had read the rest of the conversation your brain wouldn't be shriveled at my comment

[drifting heron]

Melee psyker is definitely tougher

[limber cradle]

I run blinders anyway tbh, theyre my favorite nade with pocket tox

[sturdy linden]

oh, no wonder the review bombing went so hard

[versed spruce]

The CDR on Desp upgrade is weak but should stay that way

[vast vapor]

I’m sorry but hired gun warhammer 40k necromunda had a better Hive Scum Bounty Hunter. It needs tweaks!!!!

[manic wolf]

It was bad yeah lmao, I dont miss pre-trees Vet, not one little bit. Didnt even play him till trees patch lmao

[tropic crag]

pure melee crit build? you have less room for mistakes than you do on ganger melee crit build

[drifting heron]

You've got constant regen on scriers, several good toughness talents, replenishment bonuses, and Just a Dream

[sturdy linden]

my bad, sometimes I get infected by Discord brain

[bronze glade]

psyker's tougher

[sinful matrix]

I do a little bit lmfao

[bronze glade]

way tougher

[sinful matrix]

I loved SAP vet

[amber sapphire]

i love psy, but he needs new warp ranged weapons asap, because damn, it's so stale at this point with 4 from release

[versed spruce]

All g, I would probably have the same response as you

[sinful matrix]

But that's because I was the one taking all the kills

[vast vapor]

Also not 1 damage resistance node!!

[glacial gyro]

they are absolutely fucking incredible, yes the gas grenade kills hordes really effectively, whoopee, I mean thats not bad, its good for covering a choke point, but runs don't typically end because you didn't kill enough poxwalkers, they end because some special spawned inside your asshole and climbed out, and blackouts help with that

[tropic crag]

but... ganger has on demand pocket sand cc

[manic wolf]

Thats fair, that was quite the OP setup at one point lmao

[sinful matrix]

I mean I used BB mk3 on Ogryn for almost two years, then branx when I came back to the game after pickaxes were added

I swapped to the mk4 cleaver for a bit between the two

[manic wolf]

P'much yeah, on demand stagger on a class that hasnt really got any thats super availible is just a massive QoL upgrade for sure

[limber cradle]

Acting like psyker doesn't have the most on demand CC in the game

[bronze glade]

yeah part of the reason why blinders are so good-- because you can get deleted at a moment's notice (and blinders can save you from that)

[sinful matrix]

So I'm fine with Psyker not having many options. I'm a comfort lady and all that

and things I've used a lot are comfortable

[tropic crag]

also if you're throwing out blackout grenades and not yelling "pocket sand" you're doing it wrong

[tropic crag]

i said that pure crit melee pyker is more squishy, that include zero staff

you get a heavy las pistol

pure crit build on ganger is tougher than pure crit melee build on psyker

[limber cradle]

I completely disagree with you having played FGS+SG+DD psyker but you're allowed to believe what you want.

[drifting heron]

You have enough points for a lot of defense on pure right psyker

[sinful matrix]

Still surprising that Psyker doesn't have a way to buff ammunition with warp shenanigans

Just stuff in your tree

[limber cradle]

Ive genuinely almost never worried less about my health on a class

[glacial gyro]

I want the chaxe to be good so much, it vibes so hard with my aesthetic, but it just can't compete

[sinful matrix]

I guess you could hand-wave those tree buffs as the psyker juicing his ammo with warp stuff

[tropic crag]

and i think the ganger has more tbh

[drifting heron]

No

They don't

[sinful matrix]

The uh

Other mark of the chainaxe

[versed spruce]

Psyker is, even with this release, the only class who can not magically move ammo around

Despite being magic

[sinful matrix]

the new one(its old at this point) is fine

[versed spruce]

It's kind of funny actually

[drifting heron]

They gave like 2 sources of melee dr

[sinful matrix]

You just mash lmb and win

it's no different than combat axes

you just use tons of cleave instead of bromentum

[versed spruce]

Oh wait Zealot too

[limber cradle]

Vet and scum are actually alchemists creating ammo from thin air

[last marsh]

secretly orks

as long as we believe that theres ammo

there is ammo

[glad latch]

Flame staff builds seems super common, sometimes bowling ball and explode floor staff psykers show up as well. Lightning staff is still kind of meh. For ults it's usually bubble or scriers and rarely vent, although scriers copied the venting from it lol. Blitzs, well I see a lot of brainburst and force lightning, but not much blue pebbles. Melee weapons, basically any and everything, but many favour the actual psyker weapons often, with a fair amount of dueling swords and combat blade users too.

[glacial gyro]

You mean the one with the horizontal swipe lights?

[sinful matrix]

Yeah

[glacial gyro]

Ill try it

[sinful matrix]

It's very much a safe option

not much thinking required

Acceptable attack speed, great cleave, solid damage output

[glacial gyro]

Perfect for my mk3b club loving ass

[sinful matrix]

and you just mash mouse 1

Yeah, like the mk3b

[sinful matrix]

I just used the Trauma Staff and one of the force swords

I only remember the obscurus off the top of my head

I think the one with a random stab in its attack loop

[tropic crag]

the shivs are fun but the reach on them is terrible sometimes

[tight musk]

I didn't even know you could lose progress on this thing.

All the hive scum keep dying.

[glad latch]

I use all sorts of builds, but almost never use guns on psyker, because why shoot bullets when I can shoot magic?

[tropic crag]

sometimes its easier in mortis trials, but people lose those also lol

[glad latch]

Force Greatswords are probably my favourite psyker melee weapon.

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, my first I think, 4?, matches on damnation was me trying to clutch a 3 dead situation and failing because Hive Scum isn't exactly tuned for that

[versed spruce]

Hey super random question but
How do you know Zandreack? 😭

[blissful gull]

what are scum's best weapons?

[sinful matrix]

Good class, but he's no ogryn or arbite

[tropic crag]

because gun pyskers can do the best Saltz WHC impression and thats fun

[tender marten]

Yall think fatshark will start selling chokers that read Hive Scum Slut?

[sinful matrix]

I hope

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446085870175391857/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-01_8-42-14_PM.mp4?ex=6934ae2a&is=69335caa&hm=5b502ccec8294331800887cf8862b15917adf7cebb5cfd1f2d23e33dcee39949&

[tropic crag]

lol same, the first couple games were rough because i'd never even used the weapons i had but we made it to the end

[novel quest]

how do yall feel about the class right now? do you think it's better, worse, or a sidegrade to the others in its full potential?

[tender forge]

crap I'm gonna have to play really badly for a while

[tender marten]

Class is completely ridiculous.

[tender forge]

also does it only count the coherency regen?

[nova tangle]

Drugs for All!

[tender forge]

or also precise strikes?

[versed spruce]

The CLEAVE through a rager alone did 4300 damage

[glad latch]

Yeah, that's true.

I am more of a Zealot or WP player myself though, but the WHC is quite good too, but usually when other people play him, I'm not that great at using him compared to his other classes.

[tender marten]

Stims! I like em, you like em!

[tender forge]

cuz I feel like I regened like 1k toughness percent

[nova tangle]

We ALL like em!

[tropic crag]

as good as the rest of the classes tbh, higher skill floor but can pull just as many miracles as the rest of the classes in the right hands

[nova tangle]

name me one person that doesnt

[tender marten]

Idk the dalai lama maybe

[versed spruce]

So hyper-violence clearly stacks with itself yes?

[manic wolf]

Yup

[sinful matrix]

Biggest problem Hive Scum has is that you can't really effectively revive people

[versed spruce]

That is insane

[sinful matrix]

The lack of DR is painful when ranged enemies exist

[tropic crag]

in vt2 i mostly played WHC to keep my skills fresh since its such a "pure skill" style of class, I do the same now with my pysker set up. I play them to keep me honest after using all the op stuff

[versed spruce]

Never patch it Fatshark

[tender marten]

Desperado, unironically.

[manic wolf]

Blackouts + Revive speed curios, but yeah ranged is a problem, if you havent killed it all

[vast vapor]

I’m being serious is there anything good about the hive scum character. What’s it good for in group play?

[versed spruce]

Getting in there quick and ripping things up

[tropic crag]

i just leave them to die if i can't save them, years of slayer taught me that sometimes its best to let them respawn

[versed spruce]

If you're still low level, that's why it feels bad

Because it IS bad low level

[main elm]

Up until Auric at least it can solo a map and delete everything seems good enough. Let’s see in H40

[versed spruce]

It sucks so much nards until you're like 15-18 or something

[glad latch]

I think mostly only the berserker builds can rez semi-safely because generally you want 1 or 2 stam curios and you're tanky enough to get shot a little bit while rampage is up and assuming you have the other DR perks equiped.

[dull dagger]

I don't think that's the ideal way to look at it. If it's better or worse there's a balancing problem.

It's very fun but harder to master than some other classes. I think it's a good addition because other than the unique playstyle, it encourages behaviour that can carry over to other classes

[tropic crag]

like all the other classes they excel at being a death tornado. They bring team play like the rest of the classes which is that you all death tornado in the same direction.

[dull dagger]

The best team is a varied team

[nova tangle]

stim crate gives damage buffs and other benfits that stack with a shit ton of perks, chem gernade is fucking nuts, just to name two things

[obsidian crown]

410+ is true +3 stamina right?

[tight musk]

Man, I want to do the rocket launcher penance...but I don't want to use the rocket launcher.

[tropic crag]

best team is just a team full of players who understand how to read the situation because all classes and builds can fill basically any job that NEEDS doing and so as long as the people playing can see what needs doing you're golden

[versed spruce]

Saw a clip where rocket launcher didn't kill a single crusher

Seems wrong

[glad latch]

Yeah fair enough. I quite like HS because of the skillfulness that is needed and the fact I can do stupid damage on most builds.

[obsidian crown]

i killed a 5 pack in my last run

[versed spruce]

That's good

I may try it soon

[dull dagger]

You're 100% right, but player skill is going to be a factor no matter what the team classes are

[obsidian crown]

they were funneling thru door, i shot it, they all dead

[glacial gyro]

Wait a sec, this chaxe is just rashad with a better heavy

[glad latch]

I hope FS buffs the "support" part of HS, because it's kind of lacking.

The chem crate in theory sounds good, but in practice it's kind of mid, probably partially due to all the bugs that has.

[novel oracle]

Thats BM, so it treated it as if it was the first target

[sinful matrix]

See: Every pubgryn

[tropic crag]

yeah, which is why i usually never care about what others are playing, because the skill aspect feels alot more important (but i'm not saying you care what others are playing at all or that you're wrong either tbh)

[sinful matrix]

I say this as an Ogryn main

Our community members don't sell the class well :(

[nova tangle]

Hey do kills from the chem damage DOT proc any talents?

[limber cradle]

you guys are the reason i have to atone at shrines rn

[nova tangle]

unsure what category they actually fall into

[sinful matrix]

I'm just a girl I don't know what you want from me

lmfao

I'm here to hit things with big sticks, not corral morons

[tropic crag]

i feel like oggy has a number of noob traps that really don't help players who are still learning

[limber cradle]

no, you shouldve mind controlled every ogryn into leaving the rations

[tropic crag]

so they end up with bad habits

[sinful matrix]

The whole class is one big noob trap whatdya mean

[twilit canyon]

does blessed stimms ignore wounds?

[sinful matrix]

Its SO easy to overextend on ogryn

[amber sundial]

no

[dull dagger]

I have a crew I often play with who are... Not super skilled. I have to find ways to increase our chances of success without carrying every match

[prisma saffron]

just got the class. does a friend giving u a stim shot count towards "collected or otherwise"?

if so, does that mean you could have your ability refreshed by giving each other stims?

[sinful matrix]

I love Ogryn

[tropic crag]

you really aren't wrong

[sinful matrix]

But its kinda hard to play around your invulnerability

because you can find yourself with no friends around, or getting eaten alive by gunners

[glacial gyro]

Ogryn teaches a few bad habits with its high stats that don't then work in higher difficulties. Ogryn is basically invincible in lower difficulties. And then you get into Auric and Havoc and that is no longer true

[amber sundial]

any way you acquire a stim into your hands will refresh it, UNLESS you swap a stim youre holding for a floor stim

thats the only way that doesnt refresh

[twilit canyon]

someone injecting you doesnt make your stimm available

[glacial gyro]

That beefiness is there to act as a buffer in those difficulties, but you can and will die from mistakes you would have survived in other difficulites

[tropic crag]

playing oggy feels like playing a big ship on EVE online. you feel unkillable until that defense cracks... then you have to watch as you die slooooow

[prisma saffron]

so a friend and you can keep giving each other stims and have instant refresh?

[dull dagger]

I only play ogryn in lower level matches so I can run around slapping and throwing rocks without getting the team killed

[prisma saffron]

not injecting, but giving you a stim? like handing it to you

[glad latch]

The stims get consumed when the bag is deployed.

[prisma saffron]

ohhh ok

[twilit canyon]

as long as you dont have any on you, yes

[amber sundial]

i mean

if they hand it to you, you refresh, then hand it back

[last marsh]

i'm a work friend of theirs.

[amber sundial]

i guess thats a thing you could do

[tropic crag]

i feel like stopping to play patty cake so much would lead to more deaths than anything else

[amber sundial]

it'd probably only be done in like airlocks

[tropic crag]

yeah

[glad latch]

Yeah could work, but very tediuous and not worth doing. Just take a custom stim with a 15 second cooldown if you want to do the chem bag bomb build.

[tropic crag]

are people doing middle tree? its what i was currently doing

[amber sundial]

middle tree is goated

[tropic crag]

seemed very much like a "me" tree lol so i just started down it

[vale garden]

Dual shivs rampage build goes super hard

[limber cradle]

middle tree fucks tbh

[vale garden]

Hyper critical with rampage shivs just deletes everything

[rose flax]

Is there any point to having shock and awe and wrath on bonesaw with battering strikes and battering momentum talents?

[tropic crag]

i actually like the shivs, they feel a bit like a mix between old dual dagger and dual axes. But man i need to get used to the lack of reach

i keep whiffing when trying to kite bosses in place

[tranquil fjord]

so hyper critical causes precision violence to not work

[vale garden]

Anyone who says the shivs are great hasn't used them right

[versed spruce]

Huh, small world or something

[vale garden]

Dun matter man

[tropic crag]

like when you move back and forth to keep it standing still, i keep missing the bosses when i surge forward

[tranquil fjord]

ah so thats why i cant regen toughness for shit

[vocal viper]

What are we all thinking top 3 scum builds?

[blissful mason]

Shivs make it kinda difficult for grunts kill

[vale garden]

Try the slashing shivs

Means you can't delete crushers anymore but that's what the needler is for

[blissful mason]

And hyper critical would cause toughness to no longer regenerate it is said

Bugged

[vocal viper]

Like general consensus, that feels good?

[rose flax]

Push attack+ heavy

[vale garden]

Oh yeah true

[blissful mason]

Hope it could be buffed in recent patch

[glad latch]

I made a berserker build with shivs which turned them into a blender.

[vale garden]

Im not incorporating that well yet

[vocal viper]

Cos going down the left tree has generally been spoken about as not that good

[tranquil fjord]

hyper critical causes precision violence (toughness on melee hits) to not proc

[vale garden]

I need to link me playing using it, i commit warcrimes with the slashing shivs

[blissful mason]

Two days gone and theres no hotfic

[split halo]

https://i.imgur.com/6lq4pMP.jpeg how do i know when i need to buy a new gun ?

[blissful mason]

Please fatshark fix your new dlc

[twilit canyon]

when your guns are no longer doing good dmg

[tranquil fjord]

so on a melee build if youre taking hyper critical, precision violence will not work

[blissful mason]

And tons of perks on weapons arent working as intended

Especially the poisonous gun

[sturdy linden]

? what perks

[vocal viper]

Aight so are there any builds that areworking well or nah

[dull dagger]

Always keep an eye out for weapons with 60 on the dump stat

[blissful mason]

Perks on that weapon only works when it makes direct hit kill

[sturdy linden]

there's literally 1, possibly 2 broken talent nodes. Everything else works.

[blissful mason]

Imagine a dot-oriented weapon making direct hit kill

[sturdy linden]

and...?

[tropic crag]

which is really good for FS considering the amount of nodes, i'm kind of proud of them with the past two dlc releases

[split halo]

is that a stat where it belong in a dumpster ?

[vale garden]

I think the reason the slashing shivs work so well for me is cause I run the chem on crit as well

So it finishes alot of them off and gives me toughness and damage

[dull dagger]

Kind of. The least useful stat. Usually mobility

[tranquil fjord]

ranged is buggy because autopistols dont receive reload buff from talent

[split halo]

https://i.imgur.com/u4g909r.png what do i want on these i got +2 wounds and a tougness

i just reach level 25

[vocal viper]

Aight so any links to games lantern of people that actually know what they are talking about?

OMFG I noticed my reloads weren't as fast as I felt they should be?!?

[sturdy linden]

1. proof or bullshit
2. yes that 30% reload speed is really holding you back isn't it

[vale garden]

Generally you only run wounds if youre really still learning the fundamentals

[blissful mason]

Theres so many bugs really😂 Hope they can fix them around this weekend or next monday

[nova tangle]

how do people actually build needle pistol, iv kinda just stacked all utility on it

[twilit canyon]

yes

[sturdy linden]

yeah, 2x stack application

[vale garden]

Honestly it kinda doesnt matter

[somber blade]

shoot crusher go back to meele

[tropic crag]

don't games lantern, either make your own build or ask one of the oldgryn they usually know

[vale garden]

Make it crit and that's about it, reload speed too maybe

[glad latch]

Is it just the reload talent that is broke or do other reload sources also not work?

[nova tangle]

ok so pure util is good

i was correct

[rare stirrup]

shiv blessings? i'm thinking riposte + flesh tearer

[sturdy linden]

#hivescum-class message

[vale garden]

I run finesse and crit on dodge blessings

[blissful mason]

The needle gun itself slay, such a decent dot dmg

[vale garden]

Max crit chance to pop the chem on crit

Plus they have a finesse stat so boosting finesse is always good

[vocal viper]

Absolute legend mate.

[vocal viper]

Wasn't finesse bugged on a weapon or the class in general?

[vale garden]

Not that i know of

Not saying your wrong, just haven't heard that

[tropic crag]

i vaguely remember something years ago about something like that but it def got fixed if it was around

[vocal viper]

I'm pretty sure it was shivs it was bugged, someone did the math in a video, I've lost track of who

[tropic crag]

if it was one of the people who can be trusted then it would have been spread around pretty quick tbh

[vale garden]

Yeah Cole runs finesse on melee so I assume its working

[sturdy linden]

list 'em out, there's only 1 bug that we know of here (hyper critical), and 1 is suspected (Nimble)

[vale garden]

Well he said he would at least

[vocal viper]

I dunno, I watched fat shark official video with I think Italian Spartacus or something and even I could tell his build was... Not ideal

[tranquil fjord]

known bug is that dual stubbers crit bonus doesnt apply correctly

[main wagon]

The true crime is that we only get the grey tank instead of gang colored ones smh

[tender forge]

yes because the cleavers cleave is absolute doodoo

[sturdy linden]

Wrath is kinda dogshit on that weapon

rest is worth

[tender forge]

I'm running wrath+shock and awe

on it

[main wagon]

This sentence is funny

[tender forge]

it sorta has ok cleave now

[sturdy linden]

also battering momentum isn't really need that much IMO

[real python]

drop da builds

[tender forge]

thats why I worded it that way

[main wagon]

It's ironic isnt it?

[split halo]

why cant i pause timer until more people show up?

[rose flax]

Do they all stack together to reduce hit mass though, or is there a reduction limit?

[split halo]

https://i.imgur.com/jTURZOx.jpeg

[tropic crag]

probably creates the full lobby even in the countdown room so its to stop people camping a bunch of server space would be my guess

[sturdy linden]

that's not how it works. Cleave is a weapon characteristic stat, indicating how many targets in a row will receive any damage from a swing. Shock & Awe is something new and it applies to the enemy instead, reducing their hit mass.

[vale garden]

This is what I run for Shivs

[tranquil fjord]

shock and awe is on the thunder hammer and it works the same here

[sturdy linden]

there is technically no cap on Cleave outside of hitting carapace, which stops your attack dead

[vale garden]

Not saying its perfect, but it sure is effective

[sturdy linden]

oh right forgot about thammer

mb

[tropic crag]

length of mousepad when dragging the hit box is the true limit

[tranquil fjord]

it effectively makes cleave more effective on enemies by 1.2x

[main wagon]

To be fair, thammer runs Thrust + Slaughterer/Headtaker doesnt it?

[rose flax]

I understand but does that work together with shock and awe all combined?

[tranquil fjord]

theres some ironhelm shenanigans but yeah

[rose flax]

Both reduces hit mass limit

[main wagon]

Ah, gotcha

[sturdy linden]

yeah, as Criminal stated Shock & Awe is a more multi

[main wagon]

What really sets Ironhelm apart from Crusher maul in function?

[glad latch]

I wish the mac 10's had more then one mark.

They could have a 9mm version with the 50 round extended mags for a total of 100 rounds per load.

[vale garden]

Thats the shiv I'd run with slashing, swap unyielding for carapace on the stabby shivs

[tropic crag]

i just ignore all this math stuff and change things around till the swing feels better

[main wagon]

I do the latter until things stop feeling better, then consult the nerds

[vale garden]

Or you could swap flak for cara too

[rose flax]

Are those stats even possible?

[main wagon]

The finishing touches make a big difference sometimes

[tranquil fjord]

crucis? the ironhelm can swing into chaff and hit elites in chaff without losing the charge

[vale garden]

ignore the stats, its games lantern

But yes

[tropic crag]

sometimes i listen to the numbers guys often i just come to the same conclusion the slow way tho

[main wagon]

ohshitforreal.jpg

[tranquil fjord]

its niche and was more effective when the crucis didnt have the overhead heavy attack on empower

[vale garden]

Crucis has some cleave on powered swing

[tranquil fjord]

because it only had the shitty horizontal heavy

[vale garden]

But like, 1 pox walker cleave type shit

[tranquil fjord]

which the ironhelm has too (and a strikedown heavy 3 after push too)

[vale garden]

Yes but the ironhelm hits like a car, not a truck

[tropic crag]

i just had a match where my ganger named Yugi Moto saved Gordan Freeman.. is this what fornite is like?

[keen timber]

the lack of work on the tank tops really sucks, sicne they all just use the basic mofdel

[fair oar]

What perks do you put on Rashad combat axe

[calm aurora]

So guys apparently hvs is weak. Can we give him gold toughness please? 🙁

[keen timber]

headtaker brumomentum iirc

[vale garden]

Bromentum and either decimator or headtaker for rashad

[keen timber]

yeah

[low harbor]

unarmored, carapace, BM, headtaker

[vale garden]

Headtaker is more consistent

[fair oar]

O I put thrust and headtaker

[keen timber]

flak maniac not unarmoured cara

[vale garden]

What

dont put unarmoured on rashas

[tropic crag]

as a general rule if you can take bromentum you always take bromentum lol

[fair oar]

Makes sense you dont thrust an axe

[low harbor]

those 2 don't change anything for combat axe

[north plank]

my junkley ❤️

[calm aurora]

On vet you do

[vale garden]

Ah

[last marsh]

hot

[calm aurora]

It helps just reach the bruiser bp

[vale garden]

99.9% of my experience with rashad is on zealot, where its probably my most used weapon

[fair oar]

Tbh I dont like the axe it's so slow

[low harbor]

scab bruiser 1hs easier to reach + more overkill dmg to feed hyperviolence

[fair oar]

But I'm also level 17 so I dont have the attack speed talents

[tropic crag]

i don't like 1 hand axe attack patterns in tide games in general

[balmy radish]

idk but the dual smgs ate missing something for me hope the dual pistols gonna be more fun

[calm aurora]

I don't know about hvs tbh. I run flakapace

[rapid mango]

i never understand people who unironically use the combat axe ngl

it feels so ass

[keen timber]

it's so good

it's absolutely fantastic

[kind ice]

The clicking fatigue is real, but they're so good

[low harbor]

it's best shared melee in the game

[vale garden]

Zealot rashad is probably one of if not their best weapon

[calm aurora]

Unarmored infested meta lesgoooo

[rapid mango]

taxe is superior axe

[tropic crag]

to me i bring them for fun, like i bring them and waste and entire clip to take out one thing because i keep shooting after they go down because of fun

[vale garden]

Its ya girl

[keen timber]

there's NO WAY caxe feels bad and taxe feels good

[balmy radish]

prepare dnb rythm shooting

[rapid mango]

what is caxe good at that taxe is bad at

[vale garden]

Being good

[last marsh]

it really do be

[north plank]

caxe slow like molasses, taxe boring but taxe can actually swing without dying of boredom halfway through

[balmy radish]

armor

[tropic crag]

nothing will ever be worse than playing slayer with 1h hammer in high difficulty in vt2, i get hand cramps thinking about it

[calm aurora]

Taxe is very good

[rapid mango]

taxe is fine on armour

not great

but ok

[low harbor]

in another universe maybe

[fair oar]

People in here are saying crowbar is good for crushers?

[tropic crag]

taxe is like the poor mans mk3 oggy shovel

[vale garden]

Rashad is a generalist weapon, it is very good at literally everything

[balmy radish]

i want sword&dagger or glaive back...

[north plank]

both of the axes fucking suck

get a chainaxe

[rapid mango]

someone once told me to try rashad and never feel more disappointed in a weapon again. they were right.

[kind ice]

Worth it for the "BY THE ANCESTORS " leap

[versed spruce]

Staggers them out of overhead and does decent damage, so yeah for sure

[vale garden]

skissue

[rapid mango]

lmfao chaxe

[vale garden]

unironically

[limber cradle]

Rashad is boring but it works

[fair oar]

Is that with the melee focused build or does it just do that on it's own

[buoyant edge]

is Nimble still bugged?

[fair oar]

Trying to figure out what melee to run on gun build

[vale garden]

dual axe slayer is a hoot

GRIMMMMBBNNNNNRRRRRRR

[versed spruce]

It always staggers I'm pretty sure

[kind ice]

Is nimble bugged? i been flyin' off stairs with it left and right

[calm aurora]

Nimble is bugged?

[tropic crag]

greathammer and great axe slayers are sooooooooo nice feeling tho

[balmy radish]

i dislike the chainweapons from effectiveness and combat feel else i like those

[versed spruce]

Its armor damage is serviceable no matter what but much better on a melee build

[calm aurora]

I must test dclaw rampage

[balmy radish]

... gives you the cog hammer

[vale garden]

The greatest threat to Hivescum is the secret Hivescum space program

[manic wolf]

Can confirm

[low harbor]

never was?

[kind ice]

the side slides off a ledge by accident are so funny

[tropic crag]

bro i am the biggest cog hammer hater and i wanted (and still want to) like it. It feels like a crappy version of both great weapons to me

[kind mist]

Nimble isn't bugged, the description is just bad.

[balmy radish]

simple and effective nice to bonk cw with

[low harbor]

rashad on hvs is 1 hit every elite besides ogryns and mauler

[balmy radish]

played mostly on champion though

[low harbor]

kill 4 ragers per swing with hyperviolence, on light atk

[kind mist]

If the coghammer had the explosive heavy it was secretly coded with...

[low harbor]

2 hit mauler

3 hit crusher while having the ability to stop their overheads

also saves points cuz no need to get the 2 specific cleave talents

[lavish parrot]

Once again provin that axes are better than swords

[low harbor]

it's higher mixed horde dps than veteran power sword unironically

[tropic crag]

cata is my comfort difficulty like auric is here, honestly its mostly preference for why i hate it... yes its a very very good weapon but the animations and attacks don't work well with me at all so i just die with it

[low harbor]

1 atk kill 4 rager is just crazy

lol

[jagged radish]

I love this class so muuuucccchh!!! I'm having so much fun

[low harbor]

on every other class I'd put rashad at t1 but on hvs I'd put it at t0

[frigid basalt]

what was the knife blessings and perks?

[lavish parrot]

I just gotta get a grip on the saw cleaver

[frigid basalt]

non bleed

[tropic crag]

its honestly alot more fun than i thought when i saw the ads for it

[lavish parrot]

I like the idea but I really gotta get shawe and cleave talents

[limber cradle]

So, is hyper crit supposed to work with ranged and it doesnt or is it not supposed to work with ranged

[tropic crag]

i want to try to use the saw cleaver just haven't gotten around to it

[lavish parrot]

Plus it's a saw cleaver it's fucking cool

[low harbor]

melee-only

[limber cradle]

Ik its melee only, but I'm asking if its supposed to be melee only or if it's a bug

[low harbor]

it's coded to be melee-only

[limber cradle]

Thank you

Class FS descriptions

[jagged radish]

Yeah I wasn't too hyped for the concept but my expectations were exceeded to such a peak. This is the most fun I've had playing darktide, from level 1 to 30, it feels like it was built for me. It's SO MUCH FUN!!

The voices are all peak

[tropic crag]

lol i do love the new voice lines

[jagged radish]

The cosmetics are awesome, the mastery skins are absolute gold

[tropic crag]

been getting some good laughs from them

[jagged radish]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-vibrating-shaking-love-teary-eyes-gif-25668024

[tropic crag]

lol finding the tide class for you is always a great thing

[amber sundial]

im having fun actually being able to use the hsword

[digital drift]

no idea if its been mentioned yet but these 2 are so good together
you can practically spam dodge and never get hit by ranged units

[balmy radish]

i hope we get something akin sword&dagger

[tropic crag]

oh yeah i need to try the hsword

[lavish parrot]

@low harbor say, am I correct for thinking the only stat that matter on needle pistol is ammo

[limber cradle]

I think Bounty Hunter is the first voice I've heard that tells you the real way to killer bursters

[kind mist]

Mark 2 shivs is basically S&D

[limber cradle]

Which is awesome tbh

[low harbor]

ammo & mobility

[kind mist]

Even has the same push attack heavy

[amber sundial]

yea "shove it and get clear" I think fem outlaw also says it?

[limber cradle]

Blew my fuckin mind tbh

[lavish parrot]

Ammo is 80 and I think mobility is like 70 so I think it's good enough

[tropic crag]

gangers just knowing how to survive and clearly communicating it makes sense... the only thing they do is not die

[near marlin]

the amount of effort I have to put in with a branx pickaxe as ogryn vs playing hive scum

[limber cradle]

The scum all seem to have good lines for tactics

[balmy radish]

i liked sword and dagger because the different cpmbo routes you could use

[limber cradle]

Yeah defo, idk if it's intentional or not but it is a nice touch

[lavish parrot]

And hive scum gets better damage than pickaxe too lmfao

[amber sundial]

oh yea quick question about Hsword

[amber sundial]

is deathblow functionally identical to bromentum?

[woeful hill]

yes

[kind mist]

yes

[woeful hill]

yes

[tropic crag]

pickaxe isn't really a damage pick, its a comfort pick i think

[balmy radish]

h sword needs something it completely sucks against armor

[amber sundial]

your stim and rampage both give rending

[lavish parrot]

Desperado dual stubbers

[tropic crag]

needle gun? or stims

[woeful hill]

use the special

[ripe seal]

special is slow but got good rending

[balmy radish]

i used the mk9 with alternating heavy strikedoen and special

but not on hivescum

[jagged radish]

Slashing shivs with 100% rending backstabs

[ripe seal]

but its is built for an easy horde clear weapon, so dart gun or handguns would be the combo on it

[tropic crag]

i think its good and healthy for weapons to have blind spots like that because you can fill in the gaps with the rest of your kit

[near marlin]

Needle pistol just fits nicely in a hivescum melee loadout

[ripe seal]

investing a bit to get poison on it could be an option, even if it doesn't have crazy crit potential

[north plank]

hivescum when crusher

[tropic crag]

yeah the needle gun is great tbh

[lavish parrot]

I like dual 1911s too

For melee

[bronze glade]

more like the other way around tbh

[near marlin]

those are good too yea

[jagged radish]

I'm gonna try a bleed on crit with poison on crit melee set up soon on the shivs

[tropic crag]

just run to your nearest oggy, he'll tell the bully to leave you alone

[digital drift]

big fun, thats what ive been playing

[amber sundial]

bombers my beloved

they make this penance so easy

[limber cradle]

God scum really is a whole new level of "damn i wish I had 5 more points"

[ripe seal]

messing around with both akimbos, I do like how the h andguns don't need powderburn to handle well, its still useful on it but I feel like its almost alawys needed on the SMGs

[tulip magnet]

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
Probably my favourite voice line so far

[vale garden]

rampage stabby shivs when crusher

[frigid thorn]

If you run stimm supply, what's a good simm set up to run with it?

[ripe seal]

and it still has nice options for range and works fair agianst armor, or at least anything less than a crusher

[amber sundial]

honestly any combo of anything but top left is good.

[north plank]

I like
"Bits and Pieces EVERYWHERE" on the Manarchist

[kind mist]

1 point in any stimm leg and all of the stimm cache points to turn it into a grenade

[digital drift]

do you use regen or tank as the last node? im suffering this penance atm

[north plank]

its the subtle shift from high to low pitch

Well not subtle

gradual

[amber sundial]

regen, you only get progress from the inital injection, not coherency

[tulip magnet]

Mine's also MA

[ripe seal]

anarcist lady has a high pitch squeel she does at the start of one of her rampage lines that I absolutely love

[digital drift]

so what you're saying is

let my team run away
then shoot the red barrel next to me 👀

[amber sundial]

barrels ignore toughness

[digital drift]

:c

https://tenor.com/view/phobiamp3-kitty-furios-cat-angry-gif-26396978

[amber sundial]

just walk into a bomber fire for a quick second

[lavish parrot]

Female anarchist sounds too much like her psyker role I keep thinking we have one on team

[amber sundial]

then walk out and pop stim

[ripe seal]

i feel that with that one male voice that sounds like male vet

[amber sundial]

bounty hunter?

[ripe seal]

i think that's the one

[amber sundial]

yea the one constantly talking about their pay

[tulip magnet]

The gruff one?

[digital drift]

i am surprised there arent more reload speed buff passives in the talent tree tbh

[ripe seal]

a near free 30% reload speed buff is pretty big, but verteran does get more for fairly easy

[tulip magnet]

I'm running speedload on my uzis so that my skill doesn't run out before the reload finishes 😅

i want my free ammo

[amber sundial]

i feel like they wanted to limit reload speed because of desperado

[ripe seal]

yeah, it does alot for maintaining DPS and getting free ammo

[unreal stirrup]

It doesn't matter

[frigid thorn]

time to try out exploding stimms

[ripe seal]

the single SMG is nice in that regard since it has a flat 2 second base reload, could even put another blessing in its place if you wanted

[unreal stirrup]

you have the same amount of reserve ammo once desperado end

even if you reload

[kind mist]

bolt pistol and speedloader revolver go crazy with desperado.

[ripe seal]

I do notice that happening if my reload finishes righty after despeardo ends

[rotund agate]

btw, is revolver a decent gun as a sidearm for melee scum, and if so, what blessings and perks fit that purpose?

is it just the usual Handcannon + Crucian combo in terms of blessings?

[kind mist]

infinite minigrenades yes-yes

[tulip magnet]

if desperado ends mid reload you lose the reserve

[kind mist]

Handcannon + speedloader

you really do need speedloader

[unique spire]

Don't ever speak like skaven ever again, you are terrible at it

[rare stirrup]

do blessings even matter for needle? the only one i see actually doing something is gloryhunter

[tulip magnet]

I'm going even further on that

[ripe seal]

is there really a point to use the revolver when the needle gun does its job without needing headshot/crits for handcannon

[tulip magnet]

swag

[dim moth]

stripped down my belovd

reaper refuses to stop shooting just Run Away!

[rare stirrup]

i guess

[somber blade]

mi bomba bloodclot bombaclat pussywagon 52 chicken nugget, yes yes

[unique spire]

"Is there a point of using other weapons when I can only use thunderhammer?"

[ripe seal]

needle blessing seems purely for utility since there isn't any good ones, I feel like the only sorta decent one is the headshot bonus ones

[kind mist]

I put hotshot on needlepistols so you can shoot through hordes slightly, very funny with the special explosive tox

ghost is always good

[unreal stirrup]

@tulip magnet

[ripe seal]

stripped down seems like the best thing to take for general use

[lavish parrot]

What is the difference between needle marks

[unreal stirrup]

desperado alway end with the same amount of reserve ammo you have even after ability end

[somber blade]

this

[unreal stirrup]

so "reloading before desperado end" isn't a thing

[kind mist]

2nd mark has reduced bonus stacks on headshot/crit but the special spreads some stacks on detonation

[ripe seal]

the special effect fire

[amber sundial]

6 applies +2 stacks on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies explode for stagger
2 applies +1 stack on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies apply chem tox to others

[tulip magnet]

exactly, which is why if you finish a reload just before it ends, you get an extra clip...

[unreal stirrup]

no

bruh

[lavish parrot]

I ain't got second mark what they do

[ripe seal]

person above just explained, wasn't aware mark 2 gave less stacks but I feel like its probably still worth it

[low harbor]

2 crit blessings

[blissful mason]

Known issue collected from me and my friends:
1.The hyper critical yeah
2.Needlegun dot kill not counted as ranged kill, thus cannot trigger range-related buff
3.the talent saying "melee apply poison" only works on critical hit (could be wrong translation on mandarin)
4.One of the upgrade in Custom stimm skill tree that grant 4% attack speed and said "immune to daze(sorry Im on mandarin can only provide translationed version) and slowdown" doesnt make you immune to daze and slowdown effect

[amber sundial]

coated weapons does say you need to crit for the toxin

[rare stirrup]

2 probably is intended behaviour

[winter tusk]

She damnation on my auric until I tide

[ripe seal]

no, its says only applies on melee crits so that seems like a mistranslation

[low harbor]

1 is known, 2 is working as intended, 3 is working as intended (could be translation error), 4 unsure

[manic wolf]

So Crowbar goes pretty hard once you get used to it

[humble trout]

3. You mean this one?

[sturdy linden]

1. Bug
2. Not a bug, intended behavior.
3. Translation issue because in English it does say critical hit--

Oh I see path replied

[blissful mason]

Thank you for your feedbacks pals

[unique spire]

Feedback

Dude was secretly working for Fatshark

[amber sundial]

ok so

[low harbor]

also gloryhunter is 100% bait on needle pistol because this blessing only activates from ranged kills

[low harbor]

do not use it on needle pistol

[amber sundial]

for #4, flamer death fire still slow you down, at least in psykanium

[rare stirrup]

trve.......

[blissful mason]

Well kinda dont get it why a dot weapon isn't triggering buff on dot kill?

[amber sundial]

i cant test any other situation for #4 rn

[manic wolf]

So Opportunist is better than Can Opener on Crowbar, didnt have that on my Scummer bingo card, but there we go

[blissful mason]

The damage is already really decent yeah

[dim moth]

guaranteed stagger on heavy moment

[ripe seal]

because ranged kill means that you kill with the bullet/laser/explosion, but that isn't killing them, the poison is

[low harbor]

used same code as from others, which is ranged kill only
i checked it way back for plasma to see if frag grenades' bleed DOT could proc it and no

[manic wolf]

Yeup, it actually changes breakpoints, which Can Opener does not

[ripe seal]

i'm pretty sure poison kills you apply with your weapons don't count as melee kills either for skills, and I want ot say bleed as well?

[digital drift]

i think its because you can apply the same DoT from other sources

[low harbor]

DOT is neither melee nor ranged

this is for all DOT

[ripe seal]

i'd pick can opener for support reaons more than anything

[blissful mason]

And while using needlegun, the poison does comes from your bullet isn't it

[south crane]

What are people speccing the funny Ranged Hormone Injection System with?

[blissful mason]

I think it's a design oversight

[main wagon]

3 is just bad translation if nobody said it, sorry

[blissful mason]

Needs a new type of damage

[sturdy linden]

If you apply 3 stacks from a needle pistol shot and 3 from a chem toxin blackout and then the mob dies, what gets kill credit? The pistol or the grenade?

See the problem?

[tender forge]

also had to take off hyper violence

[obsidian crown]

So what’s wrong with this?

[ripe seal]

yes but if you stab someone and they die, you can't say that you were innocent because the blood loss killed them, not you

[tender forge]

cuz it was glitching out precision strikes

[blissful mason]

Yeah I know these sources of dot could mix

[amber sundial]

nothing, just bad translation in a diff language

[main wagon]

They were saying in mandarin it only said "melee strikes" and didn't specify criticals

[obsidian crown]

Ahhh

Gotcha

[blissful mason]

So it would be better to make a new type of dot I think

[tender forge]

also has anyone had situations where the icons for the stimms/stimm pack have been bugging out?

[digital drift]

@obsidian crown context for you king

[blissful mason]

Specifically designed for needlegun

[low harbor]

yea

[tender forge]

also fire dot can cancel stimm animation

[amber sundial]

then we could have mk2 and mk6 actually do more differences

[tender forge]

giving no effects

[obsidian crown]

Got it

[rare stirrup]

nah, its better to build stacks of toxin from multiple sources

[tender forge]

and using up stimm

[low harbor]

it wouldn't be needed, just change that talent to also count chemtox dot kills

[cedar cairn]

Weeeeee

[glacial gyro]

You know this might be the one class where I would say that cooldown on curios would be a good choice

[cedar cairn]

Oh wait

[main wagon]

So I knew despacito did a lot of damage

[blissful mason]

Id rather this yeah, though it is true resources would be mix

[obsidian crown]

Change to ranged kills

[main wagon]

But I didn't know it did this much damage

[glacial gyro]

What are you going to do, take extra health? Everything still twoshots you

[blissful mason]

Oh it might make it even stronger maybe

[jagged radish]

Corruption resist

[main wagon]

Take a guess which one was me lol

[dim moth]

extra toughness and still glass bones

[ripe seal]

45 seconds cooldown for maxing a single tree is nice, I feel like any less points and it probably isn't worth as much and any more and you'd need the cooldown talent for it to be reasonable to use

[south crane]

I meant the needle pistol, but thats also good

[rapid mango]

when is CDR .... not a good choice?

[main wagon]

I have CDR on all my curios lol

[glacial gyro]

Its competing with extra toughness, extra health, and gunner resist

[cedar cairn]

I realized a second after posting lol

[manic wolf]

Optimal 'Bar

Oh, need to change perk, but yeah

[rapid mango]

take 2 of each, problem solved

[lavish parrot]

Defences 60% would be optimal nerd emoji nerd emoji

[digital drift]

you categorically do not need gunner resist on a scum and i will die on this hill

[obsidian crown]

Don’t need health. Don’t need gunner res if desperado, but other builds, sure

[low harbor]

it's ok, the only 2 melee weapons that inherently deal with chemtox also can use this tgh gain bonus

[ripe seal]

better dodge and sprint is better than better push and sprint duration

[main wagon]

I take health/toughness/CDR and forgo gunner resist because I become immune to ranged and if I'm in the open without desperado, I deserve death

[blissful mason]

Mandarin translation is totally mess currently

[glacial gyro]

Thats what I mean, on other classes those are things you need, but on scum they're all mid

[broken moss]

if youre running desperado, maybe

[sturdy linden]

yeah you probably will die on it

[manic wolf]

Ehhh

[sturdy linden]

[ripe seal]

especially since scum gets good enough stamina regen to get back their stamina after a push pretty easily

[blissful mason]

There are so many "??" here and there

[digital drift]

ye
my curios have +health, +toughness, 2 of them are +stam regen and one is +ally rev

[cedar cairn]

I use Desperado so I just swapped Gunner Resist for a bunch of Stamina Regens

[lavish parrot]

On desperado maybe
But with desrado on cd or other builds yes you do

[obsidian crown]

Mine all have CD reduction, mix of corruption res, stamina regen, sprint eff

[broken moss]

im runnin gunner resist. nobody changin that

[tropic crag]

theres def still value in taking it, i would argue no small classes need gunner resist, only oggy actually need it need it

[broken moss]

others may be open to suggestion

[lavish parrot]

Gunner resist stays on during sex

[vast yoke]

I do 2x CDR, 3x tgh, 3 gunner res and 1x hp curio to prevent pox burst 1 shots on Havoc lmao

[digital drift]

nope, these 2
that basically make you have infinite dodges that you can chain together to avoid everything
i just used this to leap frog dodge all the way to some gunners and kill them

[glacial gyro]

Gunners can only hit the broad side of a barn. Unfortunately, ogryn is size of barn.

[obsidian crown]

For rampage builds, I do take gunner res

[lyric shuttle]

How we feeling about havoc 40 builds?

[broken moss]

yea works great till you get body blocked and eat a few volleys

im keepin my gunner res

[tropic crag]

yeah i stub my toe on alot of terrain even and dead stop myself on accident all the time

[amber sundial]

when i get regen for taking gun fire i do enjoy outhealing that gunfire instead of folding

[sturdy linden]

I too love living in an ideal world

[broken moss]

shits gonna happen. im not gonna count on perfect execution at all times

anyone saying they perfectly execute at all times is wild af

[thorn prawn]

I always take gunner resistance as a scum. They shred scums like Tommy Iommi shreds the guitar.

[winter galleon]

For desperado build yall prefer dual 1911s or uzis? I keep going back and forth on them

[obsidian crown]

Not on desperado. You don’t even need it at all 💀

[lavish parrot]

Uzi

[broken moss]

i still take it

[ripe seal]

dodge sliding still counts as sliding for the talent to make you immune to melee while sliding right? If so th at I guess I can see building extra stamina regen curios to maintain jittery/push spam more

[broken moss]

desperado has a cd and im not "always" using my guns

[thorn prawn]

I have my oopsie moments when it's on cooldown

[digital drift]

ive BEEN body blocked bud
you can still dodge on the spot and it works perfectly fine

[obsidian crown]

Vulture’s dodge and slide exists.

[broken moss]

if you could dodge, you were not body blocked.

[thorn prawn]

Oopsie moment

[ripe seal]

both are nice on desperado, i've been using the 1911s more and I do appreciate the range and better feel against armor, plus I don't feel tied to powderburn since it controls fine or speedloader since it has a nice base reload, but both are still good options on it

[obsidian crown]

Vulture’s dodge actually goated with uzis

[low harbor]

vulture's dodge is insane with vraks5 iag

dual autos don't have crit string iirc

[amber sundial]

what isnt goated with vraks iag

[sturdy linden]

a goat

🐐

[lapis raft]

i run 1 gunner resist just so tis but scratch heals me more and sprint efficiency on other 2

[obsidian crown]

I could survive in a pack of 100+ gunners with vulture’s dodge alone on uzis so no.

[thorn prawn]

Vraks (ex Columnus) finally seeing the limelight again

[limber cradle]

it has been for awhile tbh

[lapis raft]

i like sprint efficiency a lot for dodge slide spamming

[limber cradle]

Its been a go to psyker gun and its great on vet

[ripe seal]

hasn't the vraks IAG always been the best of those 3? its the one I always used for ammo and fire rate

[spark gyro]

What's the dump stat for the Needler?

[ripe seal]

so damn fun on a volley fire build

[limber cradle]

Agri always been my favorite iag tbh

[lavish parrot]

Anything but ammo and mobility

[limber cradle]

Space FAL

[low harbor]

well, it doesn't have crit string shown in meat grinder

[obsidian crown]

I don’t know what that means but it does crit constantly

[thorn prawn]

Yeah, since the days when it used to be called Columnus. No idea why FatFish changed the fab names

[amber sundial]

crit string = you crit for a bullet and X amount of next bullets are also crits

[near mauve]

i overdosed on scum drugs and started sliding

[low harbor]

crit string is if it crit, it crits for next few shots automatically

[thorn prawn]

But it's still the same beautiful gun

[spark gyro]

Fair enough. Still looks really weird to see Stopping Power on it lol.

[low harbor]

this gun doesn't have crit string

[obsidian crown]

I’ve literally stood in open space with no desperado in a gigantic pack of reapers, gunners and shotgunners while my team was hiding behind cover 💀 and took no damage.

[amber sundial]

congrats on your rng then

[ripe seal]

I remember the minigun in TF2 working on crit strings, you get a random crit and it makes it so all your shots for the next second or two count as crits rather than rolling on each random bullet

[low harbor]

yea, still no crit string

not having crit string doesn't make it bad

[somber blade]

ye ogryn stubbers work the exact same way

[low harbor]

it's just, no crit string

[amber sundial]

doesnt the tf2 minigun also fire 4 bullets per bullet

[obsidian crown]

I’ve done it at least 50+ times. It’s not rng. It’s a super fast fire rate, don’t need crit string 💀

[amber sundial]

congrats on your rng + crit chance

[limber cradle]

Tbh the macs do crit left and right

[ripe seal]

i think pretty much all automatic weapons work like t hat

[amber sundial]

what weapon has the longest crit string?

[somber blade]

mostly visual since it costs 400k to shoot his gun for 12 sec

[ripe seal]

i was wondering what the crit rate on the dual autopistols was like

[proud rapids]

what is the difference between the knife marks?

[low harbor]

og twin stubber

lol

[somber blade]

full crit achlys pre fire bullet nerf was some fun stuff

[small grail]

Just did a game with 3 of us being scum using stimm supply

[lavish parrot]

One has wide sweep on heavies other has only strikedowns

[tropic crag]

its still strong tbh, just not as free

[ripe seal]

since I noticed the single shredder gets crit on continous fire while the akimbos get run n gun, the rest of their blessing options are the same so I was wondering if there was neough of a base difference there to make run crit shredder worth it

[somber blade]

for sure

[ripe seal]

desperado would mean the akimbos would be able to dump ammo freely and I feel like having double the fire rate is worth more than 25% crit rate that you have to build per mag and whatever difference they have in base crit rate, but still felt interested in working that out

[south crane]

Im not gonna lie comrades

I laughed really hard when i saw the reward

The reward?

BELT

[dim moth]

desperado double barrel is RAD

[ripe seal]

i was trying it and wasn't liking it, but maybe going on in on both speedloader and the one for fast reload on double barrel kills would make it better

[south crane]

Despacito double barrel sounds kinda rad

[twilit canyon]

You lied to us

[drowsy relic]

With both barrels

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/despacio-despacito-luisfonsi-gif-8379347

[ripe seal]

maybe me building it for depandancy over vulture's mark changed things a bit, but I was doing everything I could to spam it and I just wasn't feeling it

[rare idol]

Ladies also get bangles

They look cool

[ripe seal]

i assume the adrenaline perks would cancel out both the normal hit and crit hit effects but assume that both off them would stack with each other

[acoustic quail]

thought it was only me

[south crane]

There we go

[hot moth]

scuum bein an infinite ammo classm eans they can actually play around zarona

since zarona has such low damage whhen you'e not using its special shot you run out of ammo keeping up withh specials

but scum doesn't care

[south crane]

WE DO?

[dim moth]

zarona low damage

[amber sundial]

what?

[dim moth]

gun has highest damage per shot of any semi auto (bolter excluded)

sure

remember the zarona has a different damage profile when you ADS

its hipfire damage is actual dogshit

[rare idol]

Yeah on one arm, it’s why I like it

[south crane]

AYOOO

I just wanna point out, wood grips look way better than plastic grips

[dawn portal]

Isnt the archetypal desperado a revolver slinging dude. Why havent I thought of a revolver Hive Sccum yet

[south crane]

Dewit

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/llG32AhZr5Z.gif

[sinful matrix]

little did you know, its just plastic wood veneer

[dim moth]

trickshooter value

and fanning revolver's damage still manages to be mid

it's an incredible weapon

[ripe seal]

one of the options for the adrenaline keystone makes it so normal hits give no stacks but you get extra stacks on headshot, while the other gives more on basic and elite kills but no more on regular hits, so I assume if you get them both, you get both effects but they have the same downside

[dawn portal]

Its time, for the worst build you have ever seen

[south crane]

Its the imperium, we have more wood than we have biological replacement arms

[ripe seal]

and they say no more stacks on regular melee hits but does that mean you don't get 2 stacks from crits anymore?

[south crane]

Wood Furniture makes guns look a thousand times better. Most modern guns look ass. The modern gun stopped looking good after the 1990's with a FEW exceptions.

[lavish parrot]

You see messire
One has hazard stripes other doesn't

[sinful matrix]

I like my M-LOK AKs and M4s 😔

[south crane]

Your taste can be different

[lavish parrot]

It's obviously inferior without them

[ripe seal]

i think it depends on the area on the gun, I feel like some bits of wood on guns look bad, mostly grips

[south crane]

i just have a very aggressive opinion on it

All that modern plastic makes the gun light sure, but wheres the STYLE, the FLAVOUR

[lavish parrot]

May I interest thee in ADAR 2-15

[ripe seal]

i feel like the plastic grips on the second one look way better than on the third

[south crane]

its all just black boxes now

[plucky nymph]

so the supply pack uses your stim. but when it uses your stim, you do not gain a stack of dependency. is this....intended? seems anti-synergy

[sinful matrix]

Durable, light, cheap

Aesthetics left the room the minute money mattered

[amber sundial]

if you get both, non killing blows of any kind give 0, non weakspot kills give +4 and weakspot kills give +7 on normal enemies
on elites it gives +14 on non weakspot kills and +18 on weakspot kills

[ripe seal]

I say the bit of texturing on the part where your palm would be is the style, which is why it looks better than the third one there

[south crane]

Cringe, booty cheeks, Cheap

[sinful matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/gunbusters-rpk-gif-24226198

that said

[south crane]

Treat wood well and its fine and durable

[sinful matrix]

I love me a good ol fashioned RPK

with the wood stock, pistol grip, and heat protector

[south crane]

Like, of course dont put wood in the wrong places

[ripe seal]

wooden stocks or rifles with wood bodies all look good

[sinful matrix]

ehhhhh

I wouldn't put wood on an AR-15

[south crane]

I wouldnt touch an AR-15

[sinful matrix]

Weird opinion

[south crane]

No, just not american

[sinful matrix]

They're like. . . objectively good platforms

[ripe seal]

though I do got a soft spot for carbon fiber

[real dew]

Heavy stubber literally can't single fire, 2 or 3 shots minimum. So kinda makes sense

[south crane]

Its fashion over function every day for me

Looks matter as much to me as how it functions

[sinful matrix]

I had fun shooting an M16A1

SVD was terrifying

[south crane]

If i can make it look good and it performs good, even better

[sinful matrix]

7.62x54r is not a baby round

[south crane]

Im not a gun knower

My interest starts and stops at the few guns im interested in

[sinful matrix]

I fall in this weird middle ground where I love guns, don't respect the 2nd amendment, am trans and live in America

Lotta dancing around to avoid the uh

[broken moss]

supply pack is shit anyways

[sinful matrix]

less desireable peoples

of gun culture

[broken moss]

but you can use the stim before using the pack

[plucky nymph]

its useless on its own but dont teammates NOT gain stim effects if i use stim on myself just prior to deploying?

[amber sundial]

stimpack with dependency is redundant anyways, you just need your stim to come off cd and the box comes with it

[plucky nymph]

it is i just wanted the crit buffs with dependency and stuff

[broken moss]

yea they don't gain the stim effects but it does still have plenty of effects on it's own

[broken garnet]

what be dump stats for the likes of shiv, crowbar, taxe, combat axe, dual autopistol, dual stub pistol, zarona...

[marble flower]

I've tried to feel differently but just cant anymore. Hive scum needs massive survivabiltiy buffs. Felt fine before damnation difficulty but now the toughness generation and sustain just isn't enough in thick fights. You just goes down without warning because once the sustain falls below the damage you're tanking threshold you're dead.

[amber sundial]

defense and mobility

[mellow plover]

Mobility

[broken moss]

idk if or why it wouldn't give you chem dependency though

[broken garnet]

Alright nothing different then

[plucky nymph]

thanks. ill prioritize giving THE HOMIES 50% CDR and shit instead of this dumb keystone. literally with needle pistol you dont even need a keystone lol

[broken moss]

even if it did I still think it's shit

[sinful matrix]

Smells like skill issue

[manic wolf]

Yeah...

Its that

[digital drift]

i honestly fucking love these videos

[candid flint]

we dont need to turn hive scum into arby

[rapid mango]

cole said not getting dependancy stacks was a bug

[sinful matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-smell-wwe-gif-15877234124744977095

[broken garnet]

for real hive scum is a bit underpowered right?

[lavish parrot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/947462783505661952/1160154686758862868/c26f7f7dd36765b8.mp4?ex=6934a77f&is=693355ff&hm=9ddd42d9b4a9de1393151e6704e6c687797073bb616ca52b57e61e057daabe1a&

[broken moss]

had high hopes for it but in my own use of it, just didn't feel good

[plucky nymph]

thanks brah

[rapid mango]

as for supply, its broken as hell strong on certain things

[manic wolf]

No lol

[south crane]

My favourites are the 1911, the sport config mauser, Webley revolver, VIS pistol, tommy, Delisle carbine, the garand (with a very specific loadout, the grease and sten, Mp42

And thats about it, theres some inbetweeners i like but generally speaking dont care about guns beyond that

[candid flint]

certain builds. yeah maybe. but as a whole? no

[limber cradle]

Very strong class ime

[ripe seal]

supply does little on its own but the investment into it makes it really nice

[rapid mango]

grab a 15s stim, spam that crate on havoc modifiers like blight and youre golden

[broken moss]

you'd be in a better place with some of our rizz

[hallow osprey]

Until higher levels, yes
Even then, weak in comparison to everyone else unless you the one meta build

[digital drift]

the fucking laugh when he gets it working again XD

[low harbor]

no, just levelling is miserable

[broken garnet]

Hmm... meta build, ysay?

[south crane]

https://tenor.com/bU1hT.gif

[glacial gyro]

Damn Mister E really doesnt ilke hive scum does he

[lavish parrot]

Can I interest you in wooden AR furniture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082386776963952680/1158937333027057769/c382617a2807d997.png?ex=6934d700&is=69338580&hm=ba346dfb69bc84011c7e9a12131b2eced1ac11330e85e24bee323de856060596&

[sinful matrix]

SVD, BAR, M16A4, M1 Garand, Kar98k, MP40, STG44, 1911, Glock, HK416, M249 SAW, PKP Pecheneg, uh. . . Really any AK variant is sick

[plucky nymph]

i like the max cooldown AoE buff for team tho so i do like the 51s stim with 8% att speed. its 44s with no att speed, i might as well get 8% att speed in for the homeboys u feel me. i use needle pistol so 2% stim refund is easy clap

[sinful matrix]

ewwwwww ADAR

[south crane]

no, cause i dont care for the AR

[sinful matrix]

Get this russian slop off my screen(No hate to the russians here)

[south crane]

Solid solid

[sinful matrix]

That gun is just fugly

[novel oracle]

If it gets survivability buffs, itd need to have a lot of the damage that it has to justify the glass cannon status removed and thats no fun

[candid flint]

yeah i dont even want to know what levelling scum is like

[broken garnet]

He likes it and wants to love it. Its like an art piece with great concept and amazing potential in his mind

[lavish parrot]

Solid gun I like it

[candid flint]

levelling sucks on all classes

[digital drift]

ADAR my beloved
my go to early game in Tarkov

[steep gyro]

cole ur smart i have 2 questions rn abt scum

[low harbor]

levelling scum was especially miserable

[novel oracle]

I may have 2 answers

[rapid mango]

thing is youre not SUPPOSED to be tanking anything

[south crane]

I was having a blast with levelling scum, what game have yall been playing???

[rare idol]

Even if you got them it’d be pointless because you can take a single node to regen it when your stim is ready and then take the melee or shooting keystones instead

[rapid mango]

if youre taking damage, you made a mistake

[mellow plover]

personally I built my scum with stripped down and hit & run on the niddle pistol, +stamina and + run efficientcy so you can get in cover or run towards gunners while shooting without taking hits. Then I prioritize using my stimm when I get out of rampage to compensate the downfall (built it with damage reduction, toughness regen, + attack speed, + strength). It helps a lot

[candid flint]

i got boosted by devs thankfully. dont plan on making a 2nd scum neither

i never want to know the pain

[broken garnet]

Seeing as scum is especially mobility based, i ought to fix my binds. How do you have dodge, slide, jump, etc set up?

[wary monolith]

Do shivs have innate crit chance buff like the combat knife

[ripe seal]

scum felt good the first 10 levels, struggled a bit the mid 10s, and started getting back to good again at 20

[steep gyro]

1. is stim pistol DoT not proccing Desperado extension (Focused Resolve) intentional
2. is sample collector broken rn

[bronze glade]

i kept default keys, but moved jump to alt

[somber blade]

finally max payne in darktide

[novel oracle]

The fact that hive scum trades a lot of safety nets for even more damage is showing just how hard people rely on those safety nets

[south crane]

m i s s i l e

[low harbor]

ur playtester?

[rapid mango]

dodge is spacebar, jump is left alt, slide / crouch is shift

[candid flint]

the tests play me, yeah

[rapid mango]

i left dodge as spacebar because i was already 1k hrs in before i changed it

[lavish parrot]

Had a mod that didn't let me jump when dodging but apparently it broke and crashes my game, oughta do that too

[frigid adder]

Oi crack heads, whatcha runnin on ye londoners

[low harbor]

1. DOT kills not counting as ranged kills is intentional, works that way in all other cases
2. don't think so?

[novel oracle]

Im not sure if they wanted it to be intentional, id assume not
Lots of stuff doesnt work with needle pistol toxin and it makes no sense and we've brought it up a lot
Ive not heard anything about sample collector being bugged

[hot moth]

really? regularly takes 3+ shots to kill

compare the arbites shotguns

[steep gyro]

i leave everything the same except i put Jump onto "v"

because ur like never jumping

[bronze glade]

yea binding jump to alt is a simpler solution prob

[marble flower]

Fuck off troll. I'm not the only one saying the class feels like shit at higher difficulties. The damage output is insane but the tradeoff isn't worth it. It's a glass cannon that isn't usefull because it's too fragile. This isn't a game where you can skill yourself out of absolutely any and all bad situations. At higher difficulties you cannot avoid situations where enough hordes / elites spawn to the point that you're going to take damage. Melee, I get that can be mostly mitigated by skill and dodging to avoid being hit. But ranged? Fuck no, theres nothing hive scum can do against gunner spam from across the room while you're occupied dealing with trash hordes. The toughness gen just isnt there and you get melted everytime.

[steep gyro]

but when you do hitting l-alt is such a fuckass key to reach for

[broken garnet]

Where's sprint in this setup?

[candid flint]

cole what's your fav setup?

[ripe seal]

i use C for my crouching/sliding knees but everything is about the same

[candid flint]

ive settled on dual shivs rampage + needler

[steep gyro]

shift obv

pinky time

[ripe seal]

I do die a fair bit when playing scum but I 100% know that its because i'm a dipshit and i'm playing bad

[steep gyro]

slide/crouch stay on ctrl

[broken garnet]

Oh I play Warframe, pinky time is no issue for me

[steep gyro]

ur stinky if do otherwise

[rapid mango]

mouse sidebutton 4

[novel oracle]

For example, speedload and glory hunter blessings on the needle pistol dont proc on needle pistol toxin which makes no sense cuz it is ONLY toxin damage

[steep gyro]

yeah, i think its just

broken rn

[candid flint]

crowbar is sick, but swapping to beak mode is too slow.

[rapid mango]

i have an mmo mouse so my keybinds may not apply to everyone

[hallow osprey]

I just use controller
Because I am on console

[novel oracle]

Currently dual autos/desp/vultures

[amber sundial]

i wish we could swap while blocking

[rapid mango]

weapon special is mouse sidebutton 7

[charred bronze]

Most useful Adrenaline Frenzy keystone modifiers?

Stuff like Adrenaline Assassin (+2 stacks on weakspot hit), Stoked Rage, and Adrenaline Unbound seem good, roughly in that order?

[hallow osprey]

That is also my setup

[rapid mango]

enemy icon ping is sidebutton 10

[steep gyro]

its really fucking stupid if they actually made it to where stim pistol doesnt work with literally anything else in their kit except for the bottom right

[amber sundial]

i run the regen and kills grant additional stacks

[steep gyro]

like genuinely

[digital drift]

i quite literally skilled my way out of 3 dead team mates while being chased by a plague ogryn, chaos spawn and horde of gunners, shotgunners and mobs, in a dead end

on my first auric
that was also a maelstrom

[marble flower]

I understand that, and in melee I agree, you just block push and dodge and dance around enemies easily. The issue is ranged damage. It's always gunners or other ranged enemies mowing you down from across the room while you're occupied with a horde in your face. Other classes have enough toughness gen to sustain while tanking that ranged fire. Hive scum does not.

[novel oracle]

Mine is ctrl for crouch
Space for jump
Shift for dodge and sprint

[candid flint]

it is avoidable

[digital drift]

ctrl crouch
alt jump
space dodge
shift sprint

[trim wind]

print screen for ads

[broken garnet]

wait so yall hit shift and ctrl with yo pinky simultaneously

[candid flint]

you are a genius