hivescum-class

[main minnow]

The proportions are messed with a bit but it's just uncanny to see them in-game

[manic wolf]

Are they the best guns in the game? Fuck no. But they are by a country mile, the most fun

[main minnow]

Yeah I know

[keen timber]

Wdym build for them, I’m using a melee build and they still do it

[keen timber]

Isn’t that just a 1911?

[bronze glade]

the stub pistols are kinda mid

[keen timber]

Or a colt

Or whateve

[bronze glade]

but boy do they have aura

[keen timber]

I’m not a gun person

[bronze glade]

i've just been pretending they're m1911s lol

[keen timber]

They feel good

They aren’t the kantrael shotgun by any means

[manic wolf]

Crit stacks? Coz yeah they kinda melt man-size stuff pretty easy, if I get full buffs up I can three shot Reapers to the dome, which feels gud

[random shuttle]

wooe

[bronze glade]

yeah they're cool and feel good

[paper quiver]

guys someone carry me
i have high level aspirations
and i like cute guys and girls, specially felinid girls

[keen timber]

But they’re still pretty good

[random shuttle]

event complete

[amber sundial]

make up your mind on the DB fatshark

[random shuttle]

got my pittance of aquilas!

[broken bear]

f2p???

[keen timber]

Not Crit, just raw str

[broken bear]

Does Darktide even have that

[manic wolf]

Free to play weekend

[amber sundial]

til the 8th its free to play

[broken bear]

lol 😭

That explains a lot

[near vapor]

[broken bear]

Well either way the average Darktide player sucks ass so

[manic wolf]

Yeah... thats why you're seeing a lot of particularly braindead plays

[paper quiver]

i for one think anime girls with a busty circumferance is odd, intriguing but odd

[random shuttle]

ehehe

[main minnow]

They could have used the Vraks model

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-think-ponder-wondering-hmmm-gif-3379473559512476121

[broken bear]

Like I’m a solid 7-8/10 in terms of skill but like

I ain’t a pro

[random shuttle]

just foiled on second shrine

[broken bear]

Most Darktide players are a 4 😭

[manic wolf]

Take the degeneracy to Zealot chat pls

[random shuttle]

because the guy with Ammo crate decided that all 3 teammates on orange/red ammo is not enough to drop it 😄

[broken bear]

I can make it significantly worse

[manic wolf]

Please do not

[broken bear]

Stop tempting me then

[near vapor]

ugly

[tender marten]

You cannot make Zealot chat significantly worse.

[manic wolf]

You're tempting yourself ma'am

[amber sundial]

unless the degeneracy is drug or scum related keep it to zealot chat.

[broken bear]

Let a girl have some fun

[near vapor]

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[broken bear]

Oh was drugs not the default

[manic wolf]

Not in public, jesus 😄

[near vapor]

[broken bear]

Fatshark fucking us dry here

[tender marten]

when im in a scum shootin competition and my opponent is a certified scummer

[broken bear]

when im in a scum shootin competition and my opponent is a certified cu-

[near vapor]

you can

#general-chat

[tender marten]

No no, that's a different kind of bad.

[broken bear]

It’s called let me go wild

[keen timber]

This is probably why people think scum is squishy

[tender marten]

There's Gamers, and then there's degenerates. And I'll take degenerates any day.

[keen timber]

You go girl!

[keen timber]

They’re the same thing

[near vapor]

[tender marten]

They are not.

had the wrong mark of tac axe, holy shit i hate the MKII

[outer estuary]

is one variants of the shivs considered drastically better than the other? i know ones heavy attacks is for armored enemies and other is more meant for horde clearing

[bronze glade]

the default starting one is better

the other one is...

[tender marten]

theyre good for exactly what you expect

[bronze glade]

lol

[keen timber]

Is the tac axe not shit anymore?

They used to suck

[bronze glade]

yeah got buffed

very good now

[main minnow]

Depends

[keen timber]

Oh thank god

[tender marten]

the second one isnt that bad tbh but that you have to push attack to access the stab heavy is reeeeaaaaally shit

[main minnow]

Do you enjoy having an index finger

[near vapor]

the horde clear mark you can do single target by

push attack > heavy (repeat)

[keen timber]

Yeah that’s why I don’t plan on using one

[near vapor]

or push attack > heavy > light > light

[tender marten]

just think of it as training your index finger

[woeful hill]

when was it?

or were you fed misinformation/used them wrong

[tender marten]

tacaxe has never been shit, people just hate balanced weapons

[trim wind]

it was dogshit for a very long time

[main minnow]

before the buff when you couldn't reliably oneshot headshot with it

[keen timber]

It was a while ago now, I last played pre havoc pre arbite, ages ago

Like 2023? I think?

[tender marten]

yall arent gonna convince me or ainz that the taxe has ever been bad

[keen timber]

Yes it was

[woeful hill]

they were never bad

[keen timber]

It was dogshit

[tender marten]

hyperbole is dogshit

[woeful hill]

they were misused and people spread misinformation about them

[main minnow]

Taxe had no cleave so it was heavily reliant on brumentum

[near vapor]

hyper critical...

i like the horde clear mark of the shiv better

[woeful hill]

thus leading the public to think they were bad

and didnt use them

[near vapor]

I like abit more

[main minnow]

and if you had to use heavies to make brumentum go

[keen timber]

Combat axe is right there

[near vapor]

horde clear in my

tiny knife

[main minnow]

Combat axe is like

Yeah

what Wyvinnir said

[woeful hill]

2 complete opposite weapons

what

1 mobility stagger

[main minnow]

Do you just not use any weapons other than axes

[woeful hill]

1 single target slow

[main minnow]

they are barely different from eachother

[woeful hill]

both horde clear with BM

but taxe does it better since it doesnt rely on BM

[main minnow]

opposite of rashad is like

[tender marten]

i still hate bromentum on principle but wow i really hated bromentum on launch and the immense crutch it was for people's inabilities to dodge and/or block and/or position in any way that wasnt outright stupid

[main minnow]

devil's claw or some shit

[keen timber]

Rashad my goat

[main minnow]

idk

[paper quiver]

reasonable, i respect it

[toxic dagger]

So I played Ogryn again after scumming since it came out and man. Just... Man. scumming is ROUGH work compared to calmly and methodically dismantling the enemy as Ogryn while not giving a fuck about anything. Felt like a warm bath

[main minnow]

Brumentum is fun. Axes in Vermintide were so shit because they were nigh single target.

[twilit canyon]

i heard hyper critical was bugged, is it the good bug or the bad bug

[woeful hill]

pins

[main minnow]

you ran slayer dual axes

or you don't run axes

[novel quest]

if these cornballs on damnation queue activate ONE MORE DAEMONHOST I will crash out

[keen timber]

Yeah I think without it the caxe would be mid

[main minnow]

Brumentum rewards lining up heads which is what people should be doing

Like IMO that's over half the offensive half of melee gameplay

the other part is mostly knowing range

[tender marten]

i think you overestimate the precision required to use bromentum

[main minnow]

yeah but those are like

[neat musk]

So fellas, what other melee weapons are we enjoying on rampage builds?

[keen timber]

Listening for the loud noise that says ‘something is about to hit you please press dodge to take no damage’

[main minnow]

the only things that matter with melee

[main minnow]

Hence "Offensive"

[near vapor]

heavy sword, crowbar

[main minnow]

knowing how to stagger/control and dodge is the main parts of defensive play

[near vapor]

dual shivs is kinda poggerrssssss tho

[keen timber]

You do need to know ur swing patterns too

The shivs feel pretty cool

[main minnow]

Yeah but that's like.

reading it and practicing a bit to get the muscle memory

very few weapons are that involved in terms of combo variety in darktide

[keen timber]

Crusher my goat

[main minnow]

at best you have the horde clear combo for high stamina and the horde clear combo for low stamina

...Bretsword fucking spoiled me

[neat musk]

been curious about Heavy sword, does it work? for real

[keen timber]

Just be like me and spam lights on everything

Sword and dagger on SotT is spoiling me

[main minnow]

With rampage and frenzy yeah

[nova tangle]

hey do any of yall know how stacks of kalma stack?

[neat musk]

neat, i'll try it

[near vapor]

yea

[neat musk]

i'm gonna try Headtaker Brutal Momentum Rashad now

[main minnow]

otherwise you don't have enough carapace damage

[near vapor]

mulches everything but carapace

take the rending node on rampage ult

and it'll do some respectable damage to it

[keen timber]

For carapace on heavy sword I’m pretty sure u go alt fire heavy overhead

And repeat

[paper quiver]

just be like me and talk to every native english you can find and just talk to them in european english

[wind egret]

I've not seen one person using the deluxe edition head piece/rebreather... Anybody running it? Or are we all rocking the cool as fuck Reaper mask?

[keen timber]

I don’t remember the marks though

[near vapor]

take any mark you want since its preference but I personally prefer the mk7

[near vapor]

deluxe fit kinda eh

the weapon skins are cool tho

surgeon scalpel shivs my beloved

[trim wind]

i like the coat

[near vapor]

someone asked are those scissors 💀

[trim wind]

but that's it

[wind egret]

I've even taken the jacket off now. Unlockable drip is pretty rad.

[near vapor]

I just run

GW approved shirtless

[remote python]

peak fit

[worn gull]

Between hypercritical and the dodge talent not working there's some pretty big lulz on this class rn

[near vapor]

Saint Messelina is a hero in this house, end of story 🗣️

[eager hull]

the lack of homelessnes that this fit emits is appaling

[remote python]

more of a death cultist thang ya know

[wind egret]

All in on chems!

[keen timber]

I think the coat is cool

[near vapor]

ay fellow Show sista

[keen timber]

Not a fan of the reaper mask

[wind egret]

I'm glad everyone is rocking unique drip though. Arbite is like that gif of the buzz lightyears lmao.

[keen timber]

I’m still using the starting headpieces

[neat musk]

im digging repping the Show.

[amber sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

this one lmao

[wind egret]

I'm in love with it. My friend pointed out that me being a Zealot main running the golden mask 24/7... And I've literally walked straight back into it 😭

[worn gull]

Show gang best gang

[near vapor]

cuz GW hasnt approve any other models to be put into the game for arbites 😔

[wind egret]

Yeah lmao

[eager hull]

its not only the drip. i've already made 3 builds with hivescum while i've only had like one for arbites

[crude matrix]

I see a lot of tweakers outside with that exact fit so it goes hard

[keen timber]

I brought the coat from the shop, that’s pretty nice

[worn gull]

Deluxe fit is the chem fit imo

[near vapor]

I bought the 3 goggles headgear

me and my dawg

[manic wolf]

Who let the pigs in here?

[near vapor]

me

[nova tangle]

get em outta ere

[tender marten]

frick the show the show stinks, water cartel rules 🤘

[near vapor]

I bought the bdsm ahh headgear too but I dont like the voice filter on it

[manic wolf]

now aint the time mucka, we got pork in here

[near vapor]

it uses the muffled voice filter over the radio one 😔

[tender marten]

the lex also stinks

[worn gull]

Cheese it, it's the fuzz!

[keen timber]

I don’t have the headset I just got the coat and legs for arby

[worn gull]

5-0! 5-0!

[eager hull]

PORK?! get that HARAM Shit out of here!!

[limber cradle]

Oink oink oink

I smell pigs

[charred bronze]

It's da filf!

[fair oar]

I hate arbites. I waste a lot of ammo shooting at their dog

[near vapor]

ay whatchu need

we got

sex booze drugs entertainment

down in the carnival

[tender marten]

how about human intimacy

[near vapor]

too luxurious

[tender marten]

and a sense of belonging

[near vapor]

😔

[toxic dagger]

Since we doing drip checks

[wind egret]

I love the colour green and I accidentally got the Slaanesh approved gang 😭

[manic wolf]

Desgusting

[tender marten]

holy shit ur scummer is yuge

[near vapor]

tallarn desert raider ahh

man I wish we get premium Tallarn

[wind egret]

This is what happens to Hive Scum after enough strength stims, you get big.

[sleek grove]

Honestly for me nothing gets close to the Agrippina Brauto

Such a nice weapon

[tender marten]

im more of a vraks guy. or is it columnus? over a year and i still cant remember the new names

[keen timber]

It’s all the meth he’s been eating

[tender marten]

whichever one has the most bullets and shoots faster when you brace, its hilarious

[sleek grove]

vrak is the medium, graia the fast one

[tender marten]

graia yes

[keen timber]

Vrak is the burst ones no?

[sleek grove]

Never liked the ammo economy of that one

[near vapor]

freak gang

[keen timber]

Agri, column and gaia are the autoguns

[sleek grove]

But you know what, since we don't have ammo economy, i should try it

[near vapor]

the Show probably is the richest gang among the 4

casually strolls around wearing gold

[tender marten]

scumming aint about material possessions, its about drugs. which dont count.

[limber cradle]

If i didnt pick WC it'd be the show tbh

I like the green and gold

[keen timber]

Drugs are a material possession until they’re inside you to where they’re a bodily fluid

[tender marten]

exaaactly

[keen timber]

I went with show but I’m using iron rider gear

[sleek grove]

fuck it. let's do a graia brauto run, let's see how it is

[keen timber]

Might swap to tread lightlies when I unlock the stuff for them

[limber cradle]

My main is WC, I think my secondary is Iron Riders for the red aesthetic

[eager hull]

lorewise i like the tread lighties. but the show has the best drip

[limber cradle]

Im ngl I love purple and silver

Water Cartel big cool to me lorewise cause of Munda tho

Not that they're the same cartel

[eager hull]

also the easiest to obtain. you get cartel stuff jsut by leveling

[manic wolf]

Riders 4 lyf yo

[dense flicker]

Can we regain the throwing knives from the shivs?

[near vapor]

the show must go on..

[sleek grove]

Tbh Thief's Harness>>>>>>>anything

[tender marten]

any backstab kill and any elite/special kill with the shivs

[keen timber]

Any special or elite kill or any backstab kill

[thorny ginkgo]

@livid raven your build is nice

[livid raven]

good stuff man

[thorny ginkgo]

i reached my first mil with it

[near vapor]

they hold that thang GANGSTA STYLE @high gull

[sleek grove]

People really need to stop joing Auric at level 24 with 200 power weapons jesus

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-brendan-gun-sideway-sideways-gif-22794420

[tender forge]

Tread lightlys my gang but by god did I loot some show guys body

[manic wolf]

Was me a couple days ago

[tender forge]

Immortan Joe yhe dude called himself

[shadow glacier]

did you post this build somewhere>

[sleek grove]

It straight up gives 20 more xp than damnation, there's no reason to ruin a run for 3 other people

[clever wren]

I went with Iron Riders because of the Lord Humungous reference

[tender forge]

People arent joining, their friends are inviting them

[livid raven]

only here

[manic wolf]

You aint ruining it if you're not the one dying

[sleek grove]

fuck the friends too è_è

[livid raven]

weapon is dual smg

[tender forge]

Not too, the dude taking the ride physically cannot queue the auric

So fuck the friend

[shadow umbra]

which top looks cooler

[brittle ferry]

Parkour

[thorny ginkgo]

this shows what you can do as the only desperado scum tbh

[manic wolf]

done a lot of that playin Scum to escape bad situations

Hop on box > dodge off box an yeet yourself 30m away from the danger

[lilac crystal]

all these new weapons and i still use rashad

[thorny ginkgo]

same

[shadow umbra]

I personally prefer the scum weapons

[brittle ferry]

I love flying up stairs

[uncut grove]

Is it intended for the stimm supply not proccing chemical dependency on use with cartel special stimm?

[sleek grove]

yep

[mighty belfry]

Shivs with toxin dots and crit stim go hard.

[shadow umbra]

I prefer my stick of steel

[shadow umbra]

Also could I get a quick opinion on this, cuz Idk what to choose

[versed spruce]

See me personally I'm joining at level 24 with 500 power weapons

[sleek grove]

That i don't mind at all, but there's such a gigantic difference between 200 pw weapons and 500 it's just, com'on >_>

[versed spruce]

Yeah true

A full weapon makes a big difference even on a lower level character

[sleek grove]

Like, skillpoints are nice, but eh

[brittle ferry]

What if... we gave the hive scum.... even MORR drugs?

[versed spruce]

This guy has Dependency and still wants more

[sleek grove]

needing to hit 4 times instead of 2 to kill chaff just makes a mission impossible

[brittle ferry]

Thats thag Jason born movie yeah?

[loud herald]

hey gamers, dumb question but is there a way to turn off the screen blur effects from the stim crate

it's kinda disorienting lol

[brittle ferry]

More drug

[loud herald]

true

https://tenor.com/view/drugs-gif-26893586

[south crane]

POV; Youre watching the hivescum get searched by an Arbitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPswR_gTbUw

[loud herald]

also

I hope yall are doin well

@brittle ferry

[brittle ferry]

Hive Scum is just that one dude from the animated Sinbad movie who has far to many random weapons

[brittle ferry]

Lizard

[loud herald]

or that one moon knight comic panel where he goes "random bullshit go!"

[brittle ferry]

Exactly

[zenith fern]

Peak mentioned?

[normal junco]

is there a list of nodes that currently do not work on hivescum?

[loud herald]

[brittle ferry]

Eris was formative for me ngl

[small grail]

Is speed loader bugged for anyone else? The talent isn't giving me any actual reload reduction

[oblique mural]

Heyo! Trying to get a consensus on what some great blessings and perks are for the dual auto pistols. Running mainly left side Gunslinger tree.

[loud herald]

pins have builds

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07920be-dc05-42a0-a2b4-9909bf17087c/what-the-freak-is-an-ammo?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

here's the auto pistol build for you tho

[brittle ferry]

do you think... that 40k has milk still?

[loud herald]

prolly

[clever wren]

Lizard Milk

[loud herald]

just not in the way we think of it

maybe it's blue milk from that one creature luke skywalker drank from in the last jedi

[upbeat lynx]

are the anarchist and gunslinger improved icons supposed to be swapped?

[amber sundial]

nah all milk is now powdered, just mix it in with your soggy corpse starch

[rigid summit]

which tac axe is the good one again

i keep forgetting

[oblique mural]

Don't ask where the milk comes from or why it's green and growing fungus

[loud herald]

real

[worn gull]

Bruh stuck at work for another 3 hours and all I wanna do is hivescum

[brittle ferry]

can i use my own blood as a mix in for the milk so that i dont waste any?

[loud herald]

orks done posioned the milk....

[amber sundial]

the one i hear people like alot is 7

[loud herald]

[oblique mural]

Orky milk. Does the body good

[loud herald]

pov you drank the ork milk

[brittle ferry]

ork "milk"

[loud herald]

[brittle ferry]

its actually just their blood

[loud herald]

yes

[brittle ferry]

they're androids

[amber sundial]

hey just think of it, if orks think the milk works, then it must be great

[loud herald]

I mean whatever the orks band together to waagh to manifests itself to reality

[brittle ferry]

tell orks that milk makes your bones stronger, convince enough of them that its true and you can just have all the milk and become super strong

[loud herald]

real

[tight musk]

Bazooka is kinda...bad.

[amber sundial]

(ignoring consequences of stronger orks but we dont care about that part)

[brittle ferry]

honestly...... would

[amber sundial]

needs faster pull out time imo

[brittle ferry]

and fire speed

[loud herald]

would what neko.....

would WHAT

[amber sundial]

yea why does it have a arming time

[brittle ferry]

you know what

[loud herald]

you know, fair

I no judge

[brittle ferry]

we all know that all safety features have been disabled and removed

imma turn an ork into my lesbian house wife.

[amber sundial]

especially with hivescum

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shooting-dontbeamenace-funny-lmao-gif-12645831808591664752

[brittle ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/problem-solved-do-we-have-a-problem-problem-gif-13826961

[loud herald]

I don't know how you'll achieve this but I believe in you

[brittle ferry]

through the power of belief and recaf

[loud herald]

[brittle ferry]

say hi to Killrillian, she's short so she can shank your spleen easier

[loud herald]

hi killr

my hive scum is short man

:D

[amber sundial]

short hivescum unite!

[patent bone]

Hi Killrillian
That's very clever

[brittle ferry]

i do genuinely like that your height has an actual effect on gameplay

[brittle ferry]

thank you! hivescum just screamed shade/handmaiden to me so it was only right to name her that.

[drifting heron]

Named a character kerillian in a game with kerillian as a different character

[rose flax]

Bounty hunter sounds so much like her but not as high pitched

[rancid creek]

Does anarchist have fun interactions with maul arbite?

[brittle ferry]

i dont remember what i went with. I just remember that i made her as unhinged as i possibly could

[novel quest]

does anyone know if you need another player to be able to ring the teleporting bell to karnak twins?

[stone crater]

i hate heresy

all the people there are so bad

dogged two metres away from the entire team?

[brittle ferry]

YUP

[stone crater]

they sit there and continue smacking hordelings

[brittle ferry]

0 awareness

[tender marten]

MKII = spam heavies, shit special
MKIV = spam lights, best special
MKVII = light/heavy combo, good special

[rigid summit]

ok so 4 is the most brain dead one

im using it then

[tender marten]

arguably II is

[drifting heron]

Don't use mk4

[timid acorn]

whats the best blessings for the dual autopistols for desperator build?

[tender marten]

but the angle on the heavies is too sharp for bromentum i find

[drifting heron]

It can't hit brutal momentum breakpoints without extreme juicing

[broken bear]

blaze away, speedload

[tender marten]

and its heavies arent conducive to bromentum because they are verticals

[ripe schooner]

Still trying to get used to bonesaw. Light combo is weird af, and the heavies are slow af.

[tender marten]

but i do still like taxe4 for everything that isnt bromentum

[rigid summit]

wanna play?

[timid acorn]

what about crowbar?

[drifting heron]

I'm at work

And busy until like 7:30/8

[broken bear]

idk that one

[drifting heron]

Yesterday was your chance

[tender marten]

been doin taxe like this

its pretty filthy

[manic wolf]

Hyperviolence + TacAxe is disgusting

[novel oracle]

Because thats probably the single best point you can spend to compensate for your bad melee investment
Attack speed is both damage dealt and safety, and sometimes you will still need to use it
That being said, right now I do swap hyper crit for the mag size mostly cuz hyper crit is breaking the melee toughness talent at the top

[tender marten]

they really need to get rid of bromentum already lmao

[manic wolf]

Its particularly stupid on Scummer it would seem lmao

[tender marten]

it has always been stupid really, but now it is REALLY stupid

a mob of ragers ran up to me while i was blending a horde and i killed nine with two swings

[manic wolf]

Yeah that sounds about right

[drifting heron]

Heavy sword finally has its day in the sun

[manic wolf]

If only Heavy Sword wasnt dogshit into armour

[novel oracle]

[vale garden]

Finally finished heavy kills while stimmed, that took a surprisingly long time

[novel oracle]

Rampage rending

[manic wolf]

Ahh yeah, suppose we have that now, didnt think about that

[keen timber]

What

Heavy swords were disgustingly good previously

And I doubt they’re bad now

[main wagon]

Even in Auric these scum are pigs

I had a dude start TWEAKING

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446085576523649066/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-02_1-30-57_AM.mp4?ex=69340524&is=6932b3a4&hm=d99279f27f5bbb3a4db235feea6106a8c5e0ab64138950500e52cb163e8b0553&

[keen timber]

Yeah that’s like the point of the class
Drugs > tweak > repeat

[main wagon]

Because he died first to a fleshbag, then our other scum died to all the specials

[rigid summit]

wait how tf does haymaker work

what counts as a human sized enemy

[main wagon]

I died by eating an overhead as I slid into a wall

[vale garden]

Not ogryn or mosnstro

[main wagon]

He starts TYPING

[keen timber]

I would assume non ogryn

[novel oracle]

Is that not self explanatory

[woeful hill]

non ogryn or bosses

[tender marten]

I think Toxin Mania might be bugged in our favour. At least in the Psykh it shows stacks going over 3.

[manic wolf]

Lule, well shit, now I might actually use HS

[rigid summit]

im thinking of the bosses

which are human sized

[main wagon]

Oh turns out this bug will literally lie. You’ll have an aura icon in the bottom of the screen, but you won’t actually HAVE an aura

Or if you do it’s the base version of the left one

[novel oracle]

Captains are much larger than the other enemies though

[real dew]

It'll be whatever you had on your last valid build

[main wagon]

I thought I was being cheeky until I noticed literally 0 progress in the Anarchist penance lol

[real dew]

So if you had none, it'll be the base aura

[novel oracle]

So yknow how rodins helmet is carapace

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446428400427204700/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-12-01_11-41-55_PM.mp4?ex=69349bac&is=69334a2c&hm=0102bf202e3219365ec525bff5dd82cc45b00feb7f185b8468999179a569a023&

[rigid summit]

that's why i asked!!

[dim moth]

hyper violence is such a hilariously busted talent

[main wagon]

Ah so I just had enhanced gunslinger the whole time lol

[rigid summit]

scab maulers are big too

[tender marten]

ngl like 90% of its insane output is just bromentum

[hearty thicket]

some pure cinema i caught while i was totally not dead by overextending

[bronze glade]

overkilled bitch!

[sleek grove]

btw i love having 1k aquila from the two events

and being unable to buy shit

[main wagon]

You love to see it

[vast plover]

how people feel about new havoc difficulty

[main wagon]

Oh they’ve done this before? I was wondering wtf they expected us to buy with 400

[shadow umbra]

i find it kinda funny that i've gotten more hive scum penances in a few short days than all the penances on every other class besides psyker

[main wagon]

A single trinket ig

[main wagon]

They’re better designed

[vast plover]

new havoc difficulty bump constantly has me just going "yeah this how it'd be like if four guys walked into a wave of lazguns"

[green granite]

anyone done any real testing on whetrher or not dmg is a dump stat for bonesaw and needler?

[obsidian crown]

new auric event

[novel oracle]

Well I guess im gonna be late to work

[main wagon]

Rather than “obscure 2000 enemies in smoke”
or “kill 5000 enemies while at max stacks of keystone”

it’s literally more along the lines of “just use the thing”

[sleek grove]

for needler sure, for bonesaw no the hell

[shadow umbra]

last penances i gotta do are heavy attack while stimmed and UUGGGGHHHH MISSILE LAUNCHER

[real dew]

scum penances are dead easy

[waxen crypt]

Remember, the game launched with penances that were so bad that they had to restrict them to private matches so penance hunters would stop losing games for everyone

[amber sundial]

this is 60% on needler.

it doesnt affect dot dmg

[main wagon]

OG Flesh Wound and Malleus

[rotund agate]

Hive Scum is the reason I finally got the penance track rewards fully (as in, I got the final Moebian 6th headgears).

[waxen crypt]

I just heard that Hyper Critical+Precision Violence bugs out and shuts down PV's toughness recovery. True or not?

[frigid thorn]

What perks do you run on the Shivs as a backup weapon for the autopistols? Unyielding+Carapace?

[obsidian crown]

carapace/flak

[tender marten]

carapace elite on mine

[sturdy linden]

Same

[novel oracle]

True

[rigid summit]

every time they add a new class the penances are easier and easier to get i feel

[frigid thorn]

I guess we should take off Hyper Critical for now on ranged builds then?

[tender marten]

the penances were pretty bad but those guys were fucking morons lmao

[rigid summit]

the penances on the game's release were funny

[tight musk]

There really should be a better indicator of when your special stimm is ready.

I can barely even tell if it's on cooldown or not. Literally just put a stimm icon next to the class ability icon, it's basically a second ability anyway.

[waxen crypt]

Damn. That explains a few things. I'll have to warn my group

[obsidian crown]

there's a mod

[novel oracle]

This is what I run but I don't put perks on the builds that are pinned because I don't breakpoint test because that is boring as shit

[shadow umbra]

ima be fr, do i even need gunner resistance as scum? i feel i could use something else more useful

[main wagon]

I want a microwave ding sound so bad

[shadow umbra]

like stamina regen

[frigid thorn]

Yeah I noticed haha

[novel oracle]

I feel like it's the most useful on this class versus others
Like it is your number one weakness when you're not in desperado, which is only one of the three ability choices

[tender forge]

do what you want tbh

[limber cradle]

I think arbs were defo easier than Scums tbh but scums are defo not "yeah literally kill yourself like 6 times" tier.

[waxen crypt]

YES. Part of why I desperately want NumericUI to update is the hope that it will add a timer to the stimm.

[tight musk]

Normalize developers not doing stupid shit so it doesn't have to be fixed by mods.

[rigid summit]

tbf the penances were begging people to be parasites on their team. the problem is that everybody wanted the trashy looking skins instead of actually wanting to play the game that literally just came out

[limber cradle]

"Yeah beg your team to let you kill the boss by yourself with brain burst"

[manic wolf]

Lmfao

[timid acorn]

is cooldown regeneration good on the stim?

[main wagon]

Check DM’s, there’s a mod but it’s not numeric

[warped quiver]

how do the left and right mods on adrenaline frenzy interact?
the way I'm reading it, they both disable adrenaline gain from all hits except weakspots for one and kills for the other
so if you take one, the other just stops having a downside, no?

[amber sundial]

youd have to get weakspot kills i think

for ANY stacks

[warped quiver]

tf

[amber sundial]

otherwise you get none

[vale garden]

Is reaper shooting out of their hips a new thing?

[warped quiver]

so it does worst of both

jeez ok

[amber sundial]

just take the kill one

[tender marten]

or take none

you probably are swinging at eighty miles an hour

you get those stacks up fast no matter what

[novel oracle]

I mean there's a difference between purely going off vibes
And knowing the game well enough to make educated guesses and have them be good enough

[manic kraken]

i am not sure how but i got revived with "very little ammo"

[tender marten]

shut up stop intellectualising my MEMES

[amber sundial]

dang man, you're gonna have to eat 5 ammo crates to refill that

[warped quiver]

going off vibes is painful when half the talents are giving off the wrong vibes

[obsidian crown]

desperado with needler?

[manic kraken]

i love all the talents for hive scum

[novel oracle]

Okay I'll dumb it back down for you

Is that better?

[manic kraken]

(ngl i forgot to change guns and rolled with it

[tender marten]

i used to breakpoint test when auric was the definitive hardest difficulty but havoc fucks with your numbers so hard that its a giant waste of time

[manic kraken]

it was only heresy so

[warped quiver]

wow this sounds good
look inside
actual garbage shoveled straight from a wendy's dumpster into the game's codebase

[tulip magnet]

Somehow all my team got the Two Heads are Better than one penance by full-killing rinda when both of them ambush you before the real fight

[steep goblet]

I kinda wish they dyed hair options for hive scum were a bit more full, instead of it being like just the tips being dyed on some hairatyles

[tulip magnet]

She didn't shield and dip, she just died

and that triggered it

[novel oracle]

Almost none of the ranged talents actually proc with needle pistol toxin

[tulip magnet]

despite only 1 dying

[novel oracle]

This includes desperado duration

[manic kraken]

i got 2000s chemical dependence (and 1000S too by extension) in a single mission

[tulip magnet]

i think needle kills just count as toxin kills rather than ranged

[tight musk]

Needle gun is kinda funny. It goes "dink-dink-dink-dink-dink" on a crusher's armor and then crusher starts taking like 1000 damage per second.

[bronze glade]

@woeful hill kuli has spoken

[plain orchid]

Is hyper critical bad?

[bronze glade]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hive-scums-nimble-talent-reduces-dodge-time/115867/8

[bronze glade]

it's very fucked/bugged rn

[main wagon]

Damn! When I inherit bots I spawn with 1 wound, no grenades, and 6 rounds of the wrong ammo type

[bronze glade]

if it were working, it'd be good

[manic kraken]

interesting

[plain orchid]

Ight

[tender forge]

any idea if this is toughness replenishment %

or actual toughness

[amber sundial]

as far as i know its only when you inject the stim

[tender forge]

but like is it the %

[amber sundial]

the % of your max toughness

[tender forge]

or actual toughness

cool

so I have to get hit to use this

[amber sundial]

yea

[tender forge]

[amber sundial]

get hit then inject while still hurt

[tulip magnet]

I still take it for desperado beacause i want Sweet Spot and don't need melee speed

[tender forge]

welp guess its time for uprising

[odd jetty]

Just think of it as a very bad very slow toughness regen when you are in trouble. So if the stimm doesn't kill you you will get a tiny buff and regen

[waxen crypt]

It's annoying, but I farmed it in a few matches and never have to think about Toughness stimms ever again.

[tender forge]

I'm aware of how it works

[tulip magnet]

it's not bad enough to need to do uprising

[tender forge]

just feel like this ism asking you to play badly

[amber sundial]

it is

[odd jetty]

walk in fire and pop it. That;s how I did it

[tender forge]

I take like 30 hits total in a damn

[tulip magnet]

just spam it to farm chemical dependency

[tender forge]

barrel time

[tulip magnet]

i got half of it that way

[tender forge]

already did depenency

by accident

[plush cove]

anyone knows waht the explodey toxin mode of the needle pistol even do? The explosion deals like...6-7dmg at best lol

[tulip magnet]

shitty knockback

[bronze glade]

not much

[tender forge]

it has good stagger

[amber sundial]

aoe toxin

[tulip magnet]

the other mark applies toxin in aoe

[tender marten]

Keeps your toxin buffs up without having to actively do much.

[tight musk]

Is there any reason to use the explode-y needle gun?

Feels like the one that makes enemies spread toxin on death instead of just exploding is kinda better.

[bronze glade]

also not much, but does slightly more

[plush cove]

oh I just realized there are 2 needle pistol marks lmao

[amber sundial]

crit and weakspot hits on mark 6 applies 2 extra stacks

mk2 only applies 1 on crit and weakspot

[plush cove]

ok the toxin-disperse mark is way better than the explodey mark lol

like what the heck xD

unless there's some hidden thing about the explodey one that idk about eh

[amber sundial]

said hidden thing is just 1 extra stack on crit/weakspot

basically mk6 if you never plan on using alt fire, mk2 if you plan on using alt fire

[loud herald]

not to be super off topic but am I just washed as fuck at this game or does leveling hive scum really blow ass lmao

[tulip magnet]

early levels are ass

[amber sundial]

before lvl 15 is utter ass

[tulip magnet]

dude's made of glass

[bronze glade]

it gets better

[loud herald]

i'm level 16 atm and I can not kill fucking anything

lmao

[plush cove]

so like if you crit, it applies double chem stacks? Honestly with how fast it applies them it's honestly not too crazy lol

but ig it's sth

[tulip magnet]

damage should not be the issue, it's survivability. What are you running

[loud herald]

like I spent a solid 10 or more seconds spamming light/heavy attacks on a scab shotgunner to kill it lmao

with crowbar

[amber sundial]

you apply 5 on hit then 7 on weak spot or crit and 9 on both for the mk6

[tulip magnet]

flip it around and do a heavy and it should 1 shot

[limber cradle]

Crowbar only feels great on a dedicated melee build imo

[amber sundial]

crowbar is silly

[limber cradle]

And you do have to use both modes

[tulip magnet]

I love crowbar

[amber sundial]

being able to stagger lock crushers is so silly

[loud herald]

i'm running the crowbar build atm in pins

[limber cradle]

I prefer shivs tbh

[loud herald]

level 16 only atm

xd

[limber cradle]

Fwiw scum kinda needs to be max level to feel good

[last marsh]

is the crackheads answer to a swarm of ragers is just shooting them

[woeful hill]

hit them till they die

[amber sundial]

shoot them or use your 5 year long rampage

[last marsh]

hell yeah

[dawn portal]

FR, I dont feel like a wet paper bag with the toughness regen after ranged dmg

[limber cradle]

Rampage and dodge ime

[tulip magnet]

these 2 are game changers

[dawn portal]

Crackheads have heavy sword. Just one shot ragers with HSword and then cry when you run into crushers

[amber sundial]

tbf Hsword does good into carapace in this class

[dawn portal]

Wait, whats the Hsword tech

[tulip magnet]

rocket or needler works

[last marsh]

is heavy sword the prefered rampage weapon?

[amber sundial]

pins has a hsword build

#hivescum-class message

[dawn portal]

You can rampage with whatever your favorite melee wep is. Its pretty stronk

[sharp drum]

Heavy Sword isn't the prefered anything weapon lol

[limber cradle]

I think i prefer playing rampage to desp tbh

[last marsh]

heck

[amber sundial]

hsword is very mid outside of hivescum

[last marsh]

ive been using combat axe

[amber sundial]

but hivescum can make it pretty nice

[last marsh]

because its the combat axe lol.

[rigid summit]

heavy sword finally having a class where it's not outperformed by another option

[last marsh]

also i love the duelies

but i need to find a mod that lets me not tap fire

[limber cradle]

Which ones

Ah

[dawn portal]

Yeah I got tired of using the unique weps and switched to Caxe when leveling

[last marsh]

i call the uzis just the ingrams because im max payne pilled

[limber cradle]

Tbh I love the pistols, I love my gunspin headshot combos

[last marsh]

and the dualies the dualies b ecause counter strike

[south crane]

Hey whats your stim recipes

Mines uhhhhh estrogen

[last marsh]

im not telling you my crack secrets

[rigid summit]

the pistols are good but i wish they had more ammo in the magazine

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-mine-lotr-golem-my-precious-sméagol-gif-14477595

[limber cradle]

Top left into strength crit combined with bottom left into movespeed and dodge distance

[last marsh]

same!

[south crane]

Hell yeah

Taking my stims rn

Ganger cosplay

[glacial gyro]

I think its rashad caxe, though a very strong case can be made for the saw with a dip into the chem tree

[amber sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186458759774601288/1286812657705423023/nya_overdoses.gif

heres mine i give to my teammates

crushed up and vaporised

[rigid summit]

using a needle every day, my biggest nightmare

im so happy im not diabetic

[last marsh]

what gun do you guys use for rampage builds or is it just whatever

[south crane]

Once a week, you dont feel it if you learn injection spots and its estrogen, not insulin

[plush cove]

OK tbh, Mk6's explodey mode has some decent AoE on hit ngl, not that bad

good for horde

[sharp drum]

bros got Chrone's Disease. Stay strong brother

[south crane]

Hell yeah

[south crane]

🤨

[nimble moss]

I wanna play the class but my pc is currently KO ;-;

[south crane]

Theres nothing Brother about that image

[sharp drum]

een is a treatment for crohn's?

[south crane]

Estrogen is used for chrohns?

[sharp drum]

different een

[rigid summit]

there is no cis explanation for this situation

[south crane]

Skill issue

I use mine for boobies

[sharp drum]

gender approprate improper noun is trans? based

[loud herald]

strength is just for melee yeah

dumbass question I know

[last marsh]

wtf

[loud herald]

I mean the stat lol

[sharp drum]

strength is all damge

[loud herald]

oh

ty

[last marsh]

oh

[loud herald]

what did you think I meant

lmao

[grand jewel]

depends if its melee strength

[loud herald]

like if something gives you strength

like the stim nodes

[glacial gyro]

blackouts with pocket toxin are fucking insane

[grand jewel]

[dim moth]

woe poxwalker deleter upon you

[grand jewel]

people are slowly coming around

[grand jewel]

it deletes elite groups too lol

[glacial gyro]

Poxwalkers? Toss that shit into a massive rager pack

[grand jewel]

throw 2-3 at a patrol and watch the killfeed

[dim moth]

or I can save them for reapers/bulwarks that annoy me

and just chuck one and STAB THEM TO DEATH

[grand jewel]

save?

[glacial gyro]

if all it did was poison it would be great but it knocks down everything up to and including crushers

[grand jewel]

you get 5-6 and they come back on 20 kills lol

[glacial gyro]

Why not both since they regenerate?

[grand jewel]

can minor stagger ranged twin in my testing too

[rigid summit]

i think i'll wait a couple of weeks before playing scum because every match is full of people who die during the first 5 minutes

[south crane]

wait wait wait the tox grenade regens on kills?

[grand jewel]

read

[south crane]

what did i miss

[glacial gyro]

No, blackouts with pocket toxin

[south crane]

i was stimming

[grand jewel]

context

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-fat-hobbit-stupid-fat-hobbit-sam-gif-5873179470094444156

[rigid summit]

psyker being a stereotypical fantasy wizard

[loud herald]

hmmmmm

how does one get to the toxin stuff without sacrificing too much melee build stuff

[loud herald]

pog

[glacial gyro]

this is really all you need

[loud herald]

thanks

[sleek grove]

"just"

fucking hell that's a lot of points 😂

[glacial gyro]

Well, if you're gonna use the saw, which is perfectly viable, mkaing room for things in the chem tree is worth it

[loud herald]

i'm using crowbar

is saw better

if i'm gonna use this build

[glacial gyro]

ok

breakdown

[loud herald]

break it down

[rigid summit]

break it down for me

[glacial gyro]

Sample Collector is only needed if you really want your stumm up more, which you should. Pocket Toxin turns your blackouts into chem grenades with knockdown. Extra Pouches gives you one more.

[loud herald]

[tender forge]

barrels do no toughness damage oof

[glacial gyro]

If you aren't going to lean on your stimm or use blackouts, then extra pouches will be the only one you need

[worn canopy]

bababooey

[loud herald]

ty for the info friend

[tight musk]

Blackout grenades regenerate, and there's a talent that makes all blitzes apply 3 toxin stacks on explosion, which is a decent bit of damage.

But they don't seem to regen if toxin kills the enemy.

[rigid summit]

im going to try 1 more heresy mission as scum and if the team is wiped in the first 5 minutes again im going buckwild

[last marsh]

whats the consensus on the blackout grenades

[tender forge]

I'm struggling trying to take toughness damage lol

[last marsh]

the staggering ones

[grand jewel]

very good

[last marsh]

i want to rock the m for melee

[grand jewel]

without toxin good, with toxin very good

[bronze glade]

fucking peak

[last marsh]

good good

[limber cradle]

@toxic dagger do you remember when we were talking about which voice was gonna be the most popular? Cause I defo think it's anarchist so far.

[fair oar]

I picked the Yorkshire accent one

The middle one

[grand jewel]

zealot throwing knife speed "grenade" that can put a crusher on its ass, they're fantastic QoL for the god emperors drug addict

[tender forge]

spawn into the trenches to get shot by snipers and pgunners

[winter galleon]

What blessings yall running on shivs? Nerfed uncanny seems shite

[glacial gyro]

Using the saw means making some sacrifices, but this should pan out better overall

[limber cradle]

I thought outlaw was a scot? I have no idea what BH is.

[loud herald]

do yall just use the CD reduction path on the stimm and that's it or do you guys like to put more stuff into it

[tight musk]

Stagger nades stagger enemies.

Toxin nades commit war crimes against enemies.

Bazooka makes me wish I had regenerating veteran kraks instead.

[grand jewel]

uncanny/riposte

[bronze glade]

still good

[keen timber]

fantastic

[grand jewel]

depends on what im running

[fair oar]

The 3 sound like cockney, Yorkshire. And lancashire

[loud herald]

ok

[dim moth]

weapon that applies chem toxin on every hit

and dodging the "do more damage when near enemies with toxin" node

[glacial gyro]

Fucking love them, they are exactly what you need when you're in a fucked spot. They make a ton of room for you to escape if you get surrounded, which is the main threat you face.

[fair oar]

But I'm also american whT do I know about brits

[limber cradle]

All ik is M Anarch sounds like Johnny Rotten or Sid Vicious lmfao

[outer estuary]

finished all the penances other than the beat missions penance, now i can play the class

[glacial gyro]

Its 15% and most things affected with toxin die really fast. I'm not going to lie, taking it over sample collector is good, buuuuut if your stimm is really good for melee stuff it will be worth more than 15% conditional damage

[dim moth]

it is not 15% damage

it is 15% base damage

so it's multiplicative with other sources of +damage

[glacial gyro]

Wait, really? Let me look again

oh shit

[grand jewel]

my current build ive been playing with runs only cooldown stim ending in ranged kills give 75% CDR for 1s with desperado and sample collector
the loop being, Desperado-stim-desperado-stim-desperado-stim lol, keeps up Chem dependency stacks, kills lots of stuff and still has pickpocket for funny infinite ammo, running blackouts with toxin because they're fantastic, just generally been a really nice build

[glacial gyro]

revised saw lol

[dim moth]

hell yeah gamer

that's how I do it

[loud herald]

sounds fun lol

[grand jewel]

just so much desperado

and of course its with dual autos

https://tenor.com/view/a10-kill-it-brrrt-gif-13624632

[tight musk]

This has to be the best mastery weapon skin in the game, and it's literally just a red crowbar.

[glacial gyro]

I still think vulture's mark is better for desperado exclusively because of the ranged damage immunity

[loud herald]

gordon freeman salivating rn

[glacial gyro]

You can literally just walk forward like the terminator

into a hail of bullets

while bracing and spraying bullets

[grand jewel]

why need vultures mark when I could just use desperado more

[glacial gyro]

Because you won't always have desperado, and every time something bad happens to me, it is when desperado is not up

[loud herald]

I assume you're running the dependency capstone cat?

[grand jewel]

[grand jewel]

I literally mentioned dependency stacks 😭

[loud herald]

oh so you did

sorry

[grand jewel]

[sturdy linden]

My thought is the opposite. Vulture's Mark exists to prevent you from eating stray melee hits from the rear or flank while you're shooting into a horde of elites

[glacial gyro]

also vulture is just a pile of damage and movespeed

[fair oar]

What it's like playing gunscum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPuAKVnqJdk

[last marsh]

yes

[glacial gyro]

Yeah no vulture's dodge is fucking fantastic

like I said, walking forward like the terminator

[grand jewel]

not found myself needing it lol, none of the dodge, damage or movespeed

over just spamming desperado

dakka is dakka

[glacial gyro]

Also, as sar pointed ut, vulture's dodge applies to ALL attacks

[grand jewel]

I know, I can read

you know what applies to melee attacks

[glacial gyro]

so the only thing that can hurt you while mag dumping is like... Fire

[grand jewel]

your dodge keybind

you know what beats having to dodge the melee attacks?

killing them

with your infinite ammo

[woeful agate]

Is hotshot worth taking with needle pistol?

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[sturdy linden]

I too would love a 360 degree gun

[manic wolf]

Imo yes, because you peirce more trash with the spread needles, so therefore more overall will die

[sturdy linden]

[grand jewel]

controller player:

[lilac crystal]

can someone explain how hyper violence is suppose to work

[sturdy linden]

[woeful agate]

lol what do you take on yours sir? First time lookin at this thing

[amber sundial]

kill a enemy, excess damage is cut in a fourth and you gain that as bonus dmg for 1s, and it stacks infinitely

[grand jewel]

Killing an enemy with any attack adds a flat damage bonus to subsequent melee attacks for 1s. The flat amount of bonus damage carried over is 25% of the difference between the enemy's health when killed and the attack's damage dealt. The active duration can be refreshed only if the overkill damage amount that is supposed to be carried over to the next melee attack is greater than the overkill damage amount that was carried over on the previous proc.

For example, killing an enemy who has 300 current health with a melee attack that deals 500 damage results in an overkill damage amount of 500-300=200. A quarter of this overkill damage amount is carried over, so the same melee attack would then deal 500+200x0.25=550 damage. Now, for as long as it is possible to accumulate an increasing carry-over amount of overkill damage (e.g. by getting damage buffs, by targeting enemies with low health, by switching from an attack with low base damage to an attack with high base damage, etc), the 1s duration will be refreshed and the next melee attack will be buffed accordingly. When the carry-over amount of overkill damage does not increase between two attacks, the 1s duration will not be refreshed and the buff effect will reset.

[last marsh]

mucho texto

[woeful agate]

AI

[grand jewel]

its Kuli you fuck

[amber sundial]

do you really think AI would spew anything correct about this game

[woeful agate]

no give me good info on my question first u

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/well-now-im-not-doing-it-well-now-im-not-gonna-dont-want-to-dont-wanna-not-going-to-gif-1832627252901708353

[tender forge]

lmao my next fight in uprising trying to get hit, my team: smyker 2 dog arebies

[glacial gyro]

Enhanced desperado's cooldown is 45 seconds. At max dependency stacks you knock that down to 31.5. During your stimm you can knock off another 10-15. So thats about 16-20 seconds with no desperado in ideal conditions (Stimm is active and being consistently procced). That might be alright in aurics, but that's a big window in havocs.

[glad latch]

Ah yes, shirtless 2.0

[loud herald]

do you happen to have a screenshot of the build with vultures and the chem stuff?

[last marsh]

to be fair, real ppl barely give correct info on this game

[loud herald]

[glacial gyro]

I don't run chem tree on my ranged build, too much investment.

[loud herald]

oh fair

[glacial gyro]

Also chem kills do not interact with any ranged nodes

[loud herald]

OH

gotcha

ty ty

[dawn portal]

chem kills dont freaking interact with anything. Very lame

[amber sundial]

bombers are 100% gonna be your friend for enhanced penance

[lilac crystal]

does it actually work at all though

[grand jewel]

yes

its very good

[tender forge]

smyker smyked them

[lilac crystal]

neat ty ty

[tender forge]

or bbursted

[grand jewel]

@ cole for his funny clips

[tender forge]

cursed af lol

[glacial gyro]

I wouldnt even say pocket toxin with blackouts is good because you need those ranged kills during desperado and if they die to toxin they don't count

[last marsh]

to tox grenades are kinda neat

[rigid summit]

alright fuck it im just going to play arbites heresy to help scum actually finish missions

[last marsh]

but oof ouch my frames

[grand jewel]

🫃

[last marsh]

bring me along

[manic wolf]

Ehhh, its still good as it softens up bigger targets a bit, such as Crushers and Bulwarks, but yeah you dont wanna be lobbing them at other stuff unless your Desperado isnt active

[woeful agate]

What have folks been enjoying for blessings on the needle pistol so far?

[grand jewel]

wouldn't you like to know

[glacial gyro]

To deal with crushers I have a stimm with max rending on it; Paired with Desperado you kind of just chew up Crushers through the sheer force of 30% rending.

[woeful agate]

well specifically, not from you now so thats good lol.

[amber sundial]

i just have elite kill = 25% toughness and sprinting above 50% stamina dodges ranged

[rigid summit]

whats your in game name

[sturdy linden]

RnG + Stripped Down

[manic wolf]

Fair, I don't like relying on guns to do that personally, but yea that works too

[woeful agate]

ill try run and gun! ty

[sturdy linden]

Gloryhunter doesn't work on tox kills

[glacial gyro]

Crits apply extra toxin stacks so anything with crit is good

[last marsh]

MaxinePayne

[amber sundial]

well fuck, oh well

[manic wolf]

Desperado + Hotshot on mine, but Im debating swapping Desperado to Stripped Down

[rigid summit]

alright i just need to redo my deleted talents then ill add

[woeful agate]

ah great info ty, ill run run and gun and desperado then

[manic wolf]

Hotshot is like, legitimately decent on Needler tho

[glad latch]

Run n Gun + Desperado (the blessing).

[glacial gyro]

Well, your other option is just take boom bringer. That deals with crushers pretty handily. But the problem with boom bringer is you need extra pouches so you have 3, and thats going to be at least 3 points invested in that.

[sturdy linden]

I just uae it as a utility stick

It doesn't need any help on damage

Because ha ha funny dot

[warped quiver]

what's the best scum exclusive melee?

[manic wolf]

Yeah, though on a Desperado setup even taking Pocket Toxin is a points tax, which is the real issue, not how it interacts with other stuff, but that you have to go and get it imo

[vale garden]

the slashy shivs with hyper critical go insane

[limber cradle]

Probably saw tbh, shivs are my favorite feeling tho

[glacial gyro]

Which is why I use the rending stimm, I just pop it when I see a crusher stack and keep mowing hte lawn

[amber sundial]

hypercrit is bugged rn

[warped quiver]

I've been liking the saw as well but crowbar has been feeling great to use

[manic wolf]

If it works innit, been just fighting them in melee myself cos playing Stubby bois and not Autopistols

[rigid summit]

whats your friend code

[glacial gyro]

By the way, for those wondering, if you want to do a desperado build, give the graia brauto a try. Huge ammo reserve, large magazine, relatively fast reload, and 4 points less damage per shot than the uzis but more accurate with a similar fire rate.

[reef skiff]

i'm doing the "gain 150 stacks of Vulture's Mark" penance for the cosmetic unlock but i'm still kinda new to the game so my progress on it is slow. i've got 46/150 rn

[manic wolf]

I had a feelin the Graia was gonna be good with Desperado lmao

[last marsh]

let me remember how to find it

6267156305

[glacial gyro]

It has replaced the dual autos for me purely because of the reload speed and larger magazine. Plus bracing it and walking forward like the terminator is a feeling that cannot be matched

[manic wolf]

I keep meaning to try Brautos, but not got round to it yet in lew of levelling up Crowbar. Looking forward to it

I wanna try DoubleBarrel too, I expect that to be pretty solid

[glacial gyro]

double barrel is incredibly stupid with desperado, in the best way

[sinful matrix]

Reminds me of using double barrel on Arbite for the same thing

Infinite ammo go brrrrr

The screen kick is obnoxious, but whatever, we're playing DOOM out here

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-reload-gun-gif-19444267

[prime edge]

I literally feel unkillable with rampage love this skill

[south crane]

Ahh

[sinful matrix]

Kerfus swears by the IAG and he's good enough at the game for me to believe its a good choice

Agrip Brauto w/ desperado seems pretty good though

Of course DAPS too. And Kerfus' option of IAG

[amber sapphire]

anybody tried shredder auto with desperado build?

[glacial gyro]

The graia gets a shitton of ammo so you can use it outside of desperado guilt free and also has the braced mode that almost doubles the fire rate

though I'll have to try the agrip

[sinful matrix]

No real reason to, when DAPs exist

[glacial gyro]

I won't use the ciag for moral reasons

[sinful matrix]

unless you're really only worried about reload speed(Which are fairly similar)

[limber cradle]

Vraks IAG seems to be a lot of people's pick for best weapon

[keen timber]

IMO iags are just generally pretty good. the only real issue with them is their ADS is pretty awkward due to recoil

[versed spruce]

I use brauto on my Rampage build just as a suppression stick tbh

[limber cradle]

Rashad seems like the consensus for best melee

[versed spruce]

It barely kills anything

[limber cradle]

But imo IAG and Rashad have no style

And as we all know Style>Substance

[sinful matrix]

I WILL get people on the Antax train because it has the objectively better stagger special attack

[amber sapphire]

stat wise ye, i get it, I'll probably try on like train mission where i can just dump ammo 24/7

[glad latch]

I hope this gets buffed. 5 seconds is barely anything, that's only like an 11% decrease in cd.

Should buff it to 10 seconds max and maybe also add a small secondary effect, like 10% faster reload speed because as well know reloading is very good when you have infinite ammo.

[sinful matrix]

faster deploy time, and no wonky uppercut that can hit torsos

[manic wolf]

And this is why I play Stub Pistols

[keen timber]

5 seconds feels so shit

[limber cradle]

Good taste+same

[glacial gyro]

Its that or the saw, depending on your build

[keen timber]

esp when it's a 45 sec cd

rampage is 30 sec

[glad latch]

yep

[versed spruce]

They can either make the CDR better or add an effect that makes the CDR a secondary effect

[glacial gyro]

Exactly, why use IAG? You have to aim it. Aiming is not aesthetic.

[limber cradle]

I'm using shivs tbh, they feel the most stylish.

[sinful matrix]

So you want to take it from OP to fucking broken

noted

We already went through this on Vet

[versed spruce]

I think both CDR buff and another effect would be too strong

[sinful matrix]

AND zealot, come to think of it

[glad latch]

It's not OP, it's shit lol. 5 second is basically nothing.

[limber cradle]

If i wanted to play IAG I could play any other class, I want to use my double pistols/macs lmfao, they're very cool.

[tropic crag]

i was going to say, just coming in and reading things you guys are asking for broken things lol

[keen timber]

it's a 5 sec cd no wayh it ends up that broken

surely

[sinful matrix]

CDR is not something you can willy nilly give players

[tropic crag]

5 seconds is actually huge in darktide tbh

[versed spruce]

Alone those 5 seconds is barely anything but also it would be ridiculous if it was higher, in tandem with CDR stim

[novel quest]

why are so many people saying this class is weak? so many youtubers coming out the woodwork saying "it's just glass, there's no cannon"

[manic wolf]

They nerfed CDR skills heavily for a good reason; ult uptime was getting ridiculous

[drifting heron]

Skill issue

[sinful matrix]

Its all Glass All Cannon All The Time

people just aren't good at the game, so it feels like it stops at All Glass

[amber sapphire]

scrubs

[tropic crag]

people are bad at the game, this is known, mostly you want to listen to the oldgryn thats most of the best players lol

[keen timber]

i dont even think it's that squishy ngl

[versed spruce]

Break the Line on Arby also has a 5 second conditional CDR.... on a 15s CD ability

[limber cradle]

Filtered by needing to dodge

[last marsh]

what do crackheads do at low level vs crusher swarms

[glacial gyro]

5 seconds is less than you think with the easy access to cdr with the stimm. I skip it and put the node into something that gives me more damage or survivability.

[last marsh]

is it just pray