hivescum-class

[dim moth]

and it has a real AoE

[sonic pumice]

Krak is ranged, but is usually single target

[steep goblet]

I swapped the semi auto pistols for the smgs and the nade for the rocket launcher and its just so much chaotic fun

[high gull]

Love that

[vernal sluice]

Based

[high gull]

"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN"

[sturdy linden]

ok krak grenade on a rocket and with aoe then

[high gull]

Anarch is def the best voice out of the bunch

[broken bear]

Yea hyper crit is the one node I don’t take rn

[leaden fable]

Is nimble actually bugged?

[zenith fern]

mmmm funny enough lot of people been disliking the RPG since this specific video came out lmao

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[leaden fable]

I heard it might make dodges worse rather than better as it claims

[fast wind]

the people are herded like sheep

[sonic pumice]

It having real AOE is neat (the regen on veteran's grenades need a nerf tho, that production can be so absurd sometimes)

[fast wind]

I dont care what the meta is I feel out what I like

[crude matrix]

nah lemme have more nades i swear i wont misuse them

[narrow dagger]

man that guy is so annoying

[fast wind]

people say the mk2 syringe gun is better, I dont feel it, I like explosive strain too much on the other

[sonic pumice]

Only if you give me some for me Krak sandwiches

[crude matrix]

its engagement bait
take X feature, "THIS IS THE BEST AND MOST OP THING I HAVE EVER SEEN" or "THIS IS ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT AND NO ONE SHOULD USE IT"

[clever wren]

Like some kind of sheep-people

[thorny ginkgo]

dude the meta is stim crate and chem dependency, if you think otherwise u need to lay off the stims

[sturdy linden]

this is why i repost this every time the discussion starts about his opinions

[fast wind]

but the crate doesnt proc dependency

[narrow dagger]

nah i know the guy. i just hate his shape of speaking and thinking.

[sonic pumice]

At some point we do need to figure what is true in those balance discussions, like how absurd the chem dot is currently

[unreal stirrup]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085b72d-9f16-42c8-93b7-dbf908ab7e9f/average-citizen-in-birmingham-3

any recommendations

[crude matrix]

doesnt mean every other option is god awful and throwing

[steep vale]

Should kill peoplewho do that imo

[fast wind]

I almost feel like a double barrel would be more appropriate if you're going for a birmingham vibe

[unreal stirrup]

No

[thorny ginkgo]

stim crate and chem depend best build in the whole game

[dim moth]

I do actually like stim crate as an ability

[unreal stirrup]

i mean this isn't a meme build

[dense hollow]

i prefer adrenaline smite over adrenaline assassin and i end up not using stoked rage because my uptime is usually good in auric's density

but thats me

[unreal stirrup]

smite doesn't work for bosses

and uptime is already good

[sonic pumice]

You can part me from me flasbangs when people kill the gunner army I'm approaching in melee and I knocked down with a quick toss of those life savers

[fast wind]

chem dependacy is also sorta pointless for crate because you can get it back on stim refresh so the cooldown reduction isnt even that big a buff

[unreal stirrup]

what is dependency even good for

[fast wind]

other actives

desperado it's great for

[sturdy linden]

Rampage and Desperado both

[dense hollow]

getting desperado back faster

[fast wind]

going all on the right side of the skill tree is a trick

[sturdy linden]

Hit ability, hit CDR-only stim when it wears off. Rinse and repeat.

[fast wind]

they made this class a puzzle to solve

[tribal bane]

Rampage and desperado, though rampage has a short enough cd

[sonic pumice]

That isn't bad thing tho

[dim moth]

rampage/desperado uptime

[narrow dagger]

man i wanted to see arbites back in the day. you know these people have access to the pre release content. so i had to watch some dt youtubers. idk man. i don't like "nah this one is trash bro. what were they thinking bro." also all of em meta dogging.

[fast wind]

it's fun because you gotta think about building a little bit more than sticking to one path

[clever wren]

How did I not find this when trying to name my scummer

[near vapor]

hyper critical

[edgy saddle]

ngl i think the vultues mark is really good 1 second of immunity on crits with our already high naturalk crit and the fire rate we have feels insane

[high gull]

The Shifty Bullet

I dunno how I feel about that name

[steep vale]

I think there are definitely some perks that arent the best but alot of people scolding others for using them is crazy

If you want to run rocket launcher go aheaf

[fast wind]

hive scum has a very nice mix of talents

[steep vale]

Sure its not the best but like its still really fucking good

[edgy saddle]

tbh the middle of the treee feels doo doo tho

[steep vale]

Not really

[sonic pumice]

The Happy fingers sounds odd but acceptable

[fast wind]

middle keystone is great

[steep vale]

Im almost fully melee build

[dim moth]

you mean the part of the tree that has all of your best durability nodes?

and the most general purpose keystone?

[steep vale]

I shoot my gun maybe 4 times a game

[stray meteor]

The sneaky tongue.

[dim moth]

and +15% damage into elites/monstrosities?

and 100% cleave?

[clever wren]

I feel like they would actually work better without "The" in front

[narrow dagger]

the two fridges

[steep vale]

Oh my god the cleave makes me feel things

[fast wind]

at first I did the opposite, had a melk quest for melee that wouldnt complete because I never ran out of bullets

[dim moth]

yeah I use the cleave on my full tox build lmao

flesh teaer shivs

one crit kills anything it touches

[steep vale]

Im running bonesaw

[edgy saddle]

imma keep it 100 i felt no difference using the survivabality other than slippery customer i went with high stamania dmg reduction

[steep vale]

Its so hot

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-laugh-gif-13945267

[unreal stirrup]

or use combat blade

[edgy saddle]

i dont feel the diodge perks

[unreal stirrup]

shiv is eh

kinda shit

[sturdy linden]

Slander

[narrow dagger]

man thats disrespectful

[sturdy linden]

[unreal stirrup]

it isn't slander when its the truth

[sturdy linden]

It is slander when you're wrong

[manic wolf]

I wouldnt even say its the truth tbh

[narrow dagger]

nice try diddy

[unreal stirrup]

idk why i would use it over knife

[manic wolf]

I tried knife on Scummer, doesnt gel as well with the class

[tight musk]

Enemies explode from tox grenades and one of the needle gun modes.

Can these explosions send players flying?

[narrow dagger]

no thats the event modifier

[dense hollow]

no, the explosions that send players flying are from the event modifier

[unreal stirrup]

yeah the class with the lowest delay and fastest stam regen

[worn gull]

Naw poxwalkers are randomly pingponging us around for the event though

[unreal stirrup]

💀

[steep vale]

Shivs were fun

[plucky girder]

is uncanny still worth it on the shivs sinced its a super nerfed version?

[manic wolf]

Yeah

[high gull]

Gotta look out for the poxers with tentacle arms

[near vapor]

yeah

[unreal stirrup]

it is mandatory

[plucky girder]

weird

[steep vale]

I wanna try out the crowbar but my brain doesn’t allow new things

[near vapor]

though I personally prefer riposte + precog

[manic wolf]

Its free Rending, its very hard to argue againt that

[narrow dagger]

i hope they nerf it on everything

[worn gull]

Crit is pretty important for everything scum so yeah

[plucky girder]

u think? anything with armour just eats 2 knifes and goes down so far

or needle gun

[unreal stirrup]

both of the option you listed use up resources

[plucky girder]

just seems like such a massive decrease thought we might have seen a slight meta change

[worn gull]

Needle gun ammo is not a real resource

It's infinite

[plucky girder]

^

[manic wolf]

I tried that too, though I get batter milage out of Uncanny/Precog' personally

[unreal stirrup]

I mean if you play desp

[worn gull]

But chem drops off as a crusher solution

[plucky girder]

i dont think ive gone under half on needle gun ammo while spamming it

[tight musk]

Ok.

Cause I was fighting enemies and then went flying super far for no reason and died cause my team couldn't get to me in time to get me up from a ledge. Other hive scum on the team had a needle gun and I was kinda wondering.

[manic wolf]

The event modifier kinda just sucks tbh

[worn gull]

I still haven't figured out how to distinguish which poxwalkers are gonna do it ;_;

[near vapor]

@high gull finally got the harness

[fast wind]

I like that it feels like an actual saw, like in comparison to the chainswords it feels like one thats not powered

[narrow dagger]

when it throws a dh to you it sucks i agree

[worn gull]

The altars are fun imo

[high gull]

WELCOME BROTHER

[narrow dagger]

but boss rush is fun

[unreal stirrup]

How

[high gull]

@near vapor

[manic wolf]

The altars are yeah, but the headcrabs is not

[novel quest]

is it just me or have bursters been REALLY silent lately?

[narrow dagger]

also dogs

and trappers

everything

[worn gull]

100% not just you

[near vapor]

the messelina tattooo fucks hard

[novel quest]

like I genuinely can't hear them when they should be biggest priority besides the swing marker sound

[tight musk]

I love my "stimm:undefined".

[leaden fable]

Head crabs?

[unreal stirrup]

pus

[narrow dagger]

IS THAT THE SHOW PANTS

RAHHHHHHHH

[unreal stirrup]

I forgot the full name but its pus

[narrow dagger]

THE SHOW GOES ON

[leaden fable]

Ah the tentacle headed enemies?

[near vapor]

the Show must go on...

[novel quest]

yeah I have only heard dogs RIGHT as they were jumping me

[unreal stirrup]

yeah the havoc modifier

pus hardened

I actually like how they include it in the event

more havoc modifier should go to auric mael

[worn gull]

Show gang rise up. Best gang, all other gangs are posers.

We need more gang violence in this channel.

[unreal stirrup]

except armor + stim

[narrow dagger]

and leave havoc right?

[unreal stirrup]

there need to be a middle ground for havoc and mael

sometimes i just want to chill

[narrow dagger]

man imagine a havoc mission without stimms or armor

[narrow dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/tam-gif-9815545731770002997

[unreal stirrup]

you can get it if you're lucky

[oak bramble]

which stim perks for the auto pistol besides the CDR?

[narrow dagger]

str and rending

[oak bramble]

thanks

[vapid mist]

i might just be blind but i cant seem to find "cartel specialist" in the tree for the penances

[worn gull]

Str good on everyone. Rending better dps crit better survival

[oak bramble]

i knew my local dealers help me out

[leaden fable]

Yeah I'd rather see more havoc modifiers in AM rather than hound waves, burster waves, and barrel surplus personally

Those just feel like a "lol gambling" modifier

[unreal stirrup]

burster wave are the worst because they don't provide any interesting gameplay

[narrow dagger]

also dogs

[unreal stirrup]

mutant is kinda funny but annoying

same for dog

[leaden fable]

Wouldn't be half as bad if the audio queues were reliable

[leaden fable]

Yep these are all good til they happen during a panic event lol

[unreal stirrup]

it would still be bad because your interaction with them is just push more

[zenith fern]

Tox gas mutie be upon ya

[sour pendant]

cartel special is your custom stimm

[unreal stirrup]

mutant > dog > burster

[narrow dagger]

auric randoms

[vapid mist]

ok thank you i had a feeling i was being dumb lol

[rose flax]

Does anyone know why games lantern says weapon perk for sprint efficiency goes up to 20% when it's only up to 15%? Am I missing something?

[livid raven]

you are, probably

[zenith fern]

mastery level low?

[shadow umbra]

while doing another penance i didnt mean to unlock the shirtless bug 2.0

still a cool cosmetic

[steep vale]

It being legendary is so goofy to me

[serene spire]

anyone had trouble unlocking the new campaign penances ? No Man's Land doesn't see to be tracking my completions

[livid raven]

or they fucked up

[ruby marsh]

There's no logic reason why the dual berettas hit more than a laser gun 😭 😭 😭

[livid raven]

it's a lasgun

[ruby marsh]

I love this stupid class so much

[shadow umbra]

you get a single harness and some bracelets and its legendary

[rose flax]

Mastery level 20

[zenith fern]

Maybe is the website being stupid then

[ruby marsh]

It's laser still

[livid raven]

it's not

[rose flax]

Tactical axe specifically

[livid raven]

laser is not marketable, las is

[rose flax]

Does attack speed affect reload speed?

[ruby marsh]

A friend said "The shittier the skin, the expensier it is"

[zenith fern]

different things

[shadow umbra]

i also dont think im ever gonna do this penance because its so ass

[rose flax]

Or was it something else that it affected range wise?

[shadow umbra]

missile SUCKS

[ruby marsh]

I feel like I'm failing to understand something and i don't know what it is

[rose flax]

Do you know what it affects ranged wise?

[zenith fern]

Blinders are too good and people sleep on it

[amber sundial]

I just save it for deleting bulwarks because that’s all I’m ever gonna use it for

[shadow umbra]

cuz chem exists

[dense hollow]

just force yourself to bring rocket launcher into auric and shoot into packs of ragers and random shotgunner packs if you just want to get it out of the way

[shadow umbra]

i love blinders

[worn gull]

Missile isn't great but the penance is like a couple games to do if you get a few nade pickups or a vet

[zenith fern]

until a horde walks into it and frame drops and explosions are so loud

[worn gull]

Chem blinders probably best nade honestly.

But the popcorn busting from full Chem nade too hilarious

[ruby marsh]

Chem is stupidly good, it's like Zealot fire but for popcorn

[amber sundial]

can’t wait to use blinders finally after I finish getting the other two grenade penances done

[worn gull]

And it is good for clutches, just less good the rest of the time

Honestly if you have a vet on the team chem nade maybe better? But relying on ammo so 2023.

[zenith fern]

I thought I found blinders be mid but after getting upgraded they are amazing

[dense hollow]

most vets don't have field improv for the grenades from ammo box

from my quickplay experiences

[worn gull]

The perk that applies Chem to blitzes makes it a handy deletion tool

[vernal sluice]

I stopped using field improv on my vet completely

[zenith fern]

Blinders are just your mini shouts

[tender marten]

I predict a Pocket Toxin nerf from 3 stacks to 2 tbh

[plush cove]

had a Havoc 40 with HiveScum, man chem toxin grenade is sth else, almost beats me at boss dmg with Thunderhammer lol. It's Had to feed the hive scum nades all day tho xD

[bronze glade]

the toxin nade is pretty bonkers

[tender marten]

3 stacks is way too good.

[dense hollow]

i dont have it in any of my 8 builds ingame either

[tender marten]

2 demands you at least invest two grenades to wipe a group of enemies.

And it's not like Blinders are lacking.

[plush cove]

but I wonder if we didnt feed the dude all the nades + give him ammo box with field improv, he'd have gotten this

[zenith fern]

Would not matter for my shivs bleed and chem stacks build

[unreal stirrup]

is it just me or dodge slide tech move you so much further on scum

[zenith fern]

Yes

[unreal stirrup]

off the ledge i mean

[zenith fern]

Yes it I fun as shit

[fickle gale]

you knbow scum got a talent with like 40% more dodge range

[zenith fern]

I keep dodging off ledges and stairs and sends me flying, I love it

[torpid cloud]

I should level my scum some more before trying heresy
Holy Jesus did I underestimate how much things ramp up there

Yes, skill issue, but I haven't played since before the arby release and ogryn rework

[zenith fern]

Literal assassin

[white rose]

How good is this class compared to the other classes and higher difficulty missions?

[sturdy linden]

Heresy is also full of the worst players in the game by far

[white rose]

Thinking of buying it

[sturdy linden]

unfortunately

[zenith fern]

Really great but you are very squishy

[fickle gale]

and it's free weekend

[unreal stirrup]

heresy is full of people who think they're hotshit but they're in heresy

[zenith fern]

Far less than psyker

[lusty torrent]

giving scum a shot

[dense hollow]

psyker is ultra tanky in 2025

[unreal stirrup]

scumshot

[white rose]

Squishier than psyker thats crazy

[sturdy linden]

#hivescum-class message

[white rose]

Hmm

[lusty torrent]

im trying to cosplay dismas from darkest dungeon any suggestions for an overcoat-looking cosmetic

[torpid cloud]

I mean on scum I really like it because more elites means easier ammo econ
Somehow

[lusty torrent]

cartel casual might be closest im getting?

[white rose]

Gotcha

So tldr glass cannon

[next spade]

Rogue class

[zenith fern]

Yes

More than psyker

[torpid cloud]

But you got one heck of a cannon

[zealous basin]

woke up launched dt and seen my first 3 stam curio

[plush cove]

all you need to know

Havoc 40

[next spade]

yup lmao

[zenith fern]

Scum is a class built for players with high skill and awareness

[next spade]

Remember tho this is release and all new classes eat well for about a month or two

[lusty torrent]

or i suck it up and go for the for the emperor penance for the sweet shirt

[zenith fern]

Bad positioning will put you down very bad

As scum

[dense hollow]

or eat poorly and have a broken keystone for a month

[sturdy linden]

Arbi is still eating well idk

[dense hollow]

can go either way!

[white rose]

I see I see thanks lads

[plush cove]

tbh Arbites was pretty fine, but "eating well" for Arbites was basically from a bug lol

[lusty torrent]

test running scum is the first time i've failed the first battle for tertium mission
genuine skill issue on my end

[next spade]

All fair points lol

[zenith fern]

A single shooter burst fire, will nearly drop you to zero toughness lol

[lusty torrent]

im sticking with scum for now though because im not gonna lie im having a lot of fun with shivs

[zenith fern]

So never be on the open

[dreamy rover]

I'm getting this feeling that fatshark is getting out the nerfbat and looking at one of our grenades...

[fast wind]

good on you for acknowledging it, the class is a lot of fun once you get the hang of it

[fickle gale]

na most of the left keystone nodes onlly worked for a part

[torpid cloud]

In a couple months time scum will probably either have been neutered into irrelevancy or homogenized to be more like everything else
Watch and see

[sturdy linden]

it's ok, I've been eating a lot of dirt levelling. Just how it be

[plush cove]

tbh...chem grenade is PRETTY silly...I dont mind it being a better immolation grenade, but still lol. Rocket Launcher needs a buff tho, I wouldnt mind 90s cooldown regen

[zenith fern]

If only 80% of players would knowledge

[lusty torrent]

yeah i went at the captain and kinda died cuz im used to either mowing his ass down with veteran volley fire or ramming him with ogryn with branx pickaxe
hive's rough to learn but he looks fun to master

that mf is basically chipp zanuff

fast as hell

fragile as hell

[fast wind]

people are used to their level 30s

[dreamy rover]

They're not. If they neuter it that would only kill sales.

[sturdy linden]

you either dodge or you die

[zenith fern]

Or die by dodging off edges by accident

[sturdy linden]

that's a bonus

[fast wind]

sometimes I manage to dodge over a railing

[torpid cloud]

Look, the Youtubers are already doing that by using their clout to spread what they believe is factual knowledge of Scum = bad

[zenith fern]

I love the movement tech shit that scum has

[fast wind]

like my scum will try hop a railing as part of a dodge

[dense hollow]

did you know..hive scum is a glass cannon without the cannon

[sturdy linden]

the "youtubers" (we all know there's only one) can eat my entire ass

[random shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CoXhh_k6is&lc=UgzW8VmwRFtkOZMJ7Cl4AaABAg 😄

[plush cove]

Mister E

ofc

[torpid cloud]

Nah, there's tanner, Mr e, some smaller youtubers like that one vtube I found earlier claiming dependency is garbage

[dreamy rover]

Stop listening to Tanner, man.

[fickle gale]

yeah and 90% of youtube content is only clickbaiting

[fast wind]

I feel like influencers arent infallible

[lusty torrent]

cartel casual or bladesman's garb to look close to an overcoat?

[random shuttle]

This is a clapback vid by Khan, it's so fun 😄

[torpid cloud]

I don't listen to youtubers

[sturdy linden]

#hivescum-class message

[lusty torrent]

im trying to cosplay this guy

bandana looks easy to imitate

[split lagoon]

So... I'm doing the event, auric. I literally hit 30 last night and like most of us, still trying to get used to the class. Here we go, other 3 randoms and I. They die, like, a lot. I try to clutch the fuck out of the game and I get them all up. We keep going and they die like 2-3 times more doing the event against twins + capt. I keep doing my thing and achieve another succesful clutch on this forsaken class.

Then my teammates start saying: "Come on, man, anytime today?" "Stop moving backwards and push forward"

So I say: "Guys, I'm trying, want me to make it or not"

One of the "nicest" guys say: "I honestly just want this to be over"

So after 2 fucking boring clutches I say: "Ok, easy enough". And I jump off a ladder and the game is over.

The "nice guy" says then: "Cheers" and "Fuck yourself"

Did I act as a scum or they deserved it?

[zenith fern]

Dude my dodges are so funky that the geometry bugs out and sends me flying by accident

[near vapor]

fuck no

fuck that racist pos lol

[torpid cloud]

Gonna be hard since like all scum cosmetics leave you half naked

[fast wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1153279327513886770/1445995677434908732/image.png?ex=69345a2a&is=693308aa&hm=b19cfd647f7e8971e1720a5fa2a62cebc1f6371ba6c00821bbf6583576df9c21&=&format=webp&quality=lossless I like this for how it goes with my tattoo

[steep vale]

Chat can i be honest

[next spade]

bros discovered bunnyhopping

[glossy canopy]

Is the chemical dependancy penance bugged?

[steep vale]

Ha got me feeling like this

[lusty torrent]

honestly vet might be a better dismas cosplay the more i think about it

[sturdy linden]

please recognize the sarcasm

[random shuttle]

a bit

[lusty torrent]

scum seems more mad max-y

[zenith fern]

Bunnydodging

[random shuttle]

you need to let the stacks run out for them to count in

[lusty torrent]

ooh bet

[next spade]

def

[steep vale]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-twerk-shaking-emoji-cheeks-emoji-shaking-ass-emoji-ass-gif-13787302569731851210

[fast wind]

banana peel moment, slipped on some nurgle snot

[near vapor]

Miguel my beloved

[steep vale]

Oh thats why i got both on a stack loss

[near vapor]

I want this headgear so bad man

[glossy canopy]

played a whole damnation match literally 0/1000 lol

[zenith fern]

I keep having the same thing and is always unexpected

At least I got the aura farm by blocking mid aie

[random shuttle]

well if your stacks never run out

it will be 0 😄

[fast wind]

we've gone from vermintide where there is marauders as enemies to essentially playing as them in darktide

[glossy canopy]

its like forcing yourself to do wrong

[livid raven]

ehhh

[novel quest]

is it worth mastering the Needler if there's other stuff I need to move on to and all the blessings and perks I need are maxed out?

[livid raven]

yes

use what you want

[novel quest]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[livid raven]

you can easily master any weapon for a pittance of resources

[fast wind]

it's the very barbarian looking gear I mean

[novel quest]

true..

[random shuttle]

You can use a grey needler with 0 upgrades and it will work at 98% capacity of fully upgraded one

😄

[novel quest]

cuz right now my Needler is 16 I think

[tight musk]

Man. If you're not using Desperado, gunners are a real pain to deal with.

[novel quest]

and

[torpid cloud]

Honestly the coolest use I have found for the stun grenade (apart from preventing myself getting swarmed and allowing me to reposition) is that it staggers the shield ogryn allowing me to mag dump their fleshy bits

[novel quest]

there is literally

nothing else I need to do to it

[livid raven]

i just shoot at them

[novel quest]

besides like, upgrading it to 500

and I also still need to master dual autopistols and shivs

[faint fossil]

just saw a crusher get a triple kill on hive scum

that was impressive

[dreamy rover]

I there's one perk that lets you tank range dmg for a little bit

[torpid cloud]

I have terrible aim my friend
Is why I need bigger target I can shoot at

[faint fossil]

1 overhead 3 kills

[livid raven]

what aim bro

i use dual smg

i shoot in the general direction

[sturdy linden]

Nurgle's Champion

[fickle gale]

easy fix buy weapon bring them to blue rarity with an score of200+ and scacrifice them

[thorny ginkgo]

is ammo jack worth taking with autopistols?

[livid raven]

bring them to green

[sturdy linden]

green is more efficient

uses less resources

[livid raven]

imo. no

[torpid cloud]

Last I checked my tiny bullets don't stagger him and I'd need to aim for like the feet sticking out

[fickle gale]

welll it's only pllaststeel

[livid raven]

it it was 25% maybe

[thorny ginkgo]

ah ok

[livid raven]

walk diagonally while shooting

[novel quest]

idk if it's just me but I am very, very poor for plasteel

[livid raven]

it's like 9 more bullets

[torpid cloud]

You want Grug press more than one button
You crazy

[dreamy rover]

Dual stub pistols are so fun to use

[novel quest]

like that shit is SCRAPINGS for me

[thorny ginkgo]

vultures push looks pretty strong

[livid raven]

there is much more you can get with a talent point

[novel quest]

they were the first gun I maxed out on this class

because I just knew I'd fall in love

[thorny ginkgo]

i dropped slippery customer, just looking for something else to run with the autopistols

[livid raven]

why did you tho

it's insane

[torpid cloud]

Always been a fan of rapid shooting
So the dualies are nice

[novel quest]

slippery customer is very important tho

[random shuttle]

I didnt try it myself but trusting Kuli description here

[novel quest]

don't drop that

[calm aurora]

holy shit, it works with db

[livid raven]

to add on to this

[novel quest]

sliding should be something you're doing all the time

[fast wind]

eel simulator gotta be the slipperiest hive scum you can be, too bad the game takes that literally and sometimes you actually slip

[calm aurora]

the speed reloading bug affects the blessing, the talents, the stimms... only one weapon?

[brittle sierra]

Doesn't DB already have infinite cleave if you take the blessing?

[torpid cloud]

Not being able to dodge forward when running away has always been a pain point for me

I guess I should have taken slippery customer earlier

[calm aurora]

ok true, but works with zarona special then

[thorny ginkgo]

oh wow

[novel quest]

yeah if you need to run away, just spam slide as you backtrack

[livid raven]

oh wait that's push

not dodge

lmao

nah push is kinda stinky

[torpid cloud]

But but
I've been rushing vulture stacks

[fast wind]

I feel like I often dont need it, reg dodges work for me

[novel quest]

you literally lose so much damage taken both in how less accurate gunners are as you slide and in how melee enemies just cannot hit you

[brittle sierra]

On CS it might be more effective because cleave is important at taking out specialists in a horde

[torpid cloud]

For reference my scum is still level 18

I uh
It's the class I may have taken longest to level to date cause I keep failing missions

[livid raven]

yeah, when i have to reload and i am not in desperado, i just slide

[novel quest]

do you need people to play with? I'm lvl30 scum and need mastery on my shit

[livid raven]

it's fine, it's very weak early

the good talents are at the bottom

[twilit canyon]

uncontrolled aggression is kind of a bait node right?

[novel quest]

yeah

[torpid cloud]

Sure, but I'm bout to go sleep
So not today

[paper quiver]

i am a grand hivescum. i am so scummy i wouldn't even ask myself twice if a felinid babe came up to me on a night out

[sturdy linden]

I'm glad I got out of heresy before free weekend hit

I would have uninstalled out of pure frustration

[novel quest]

it's... okay but there are better ways to use that point. and you only lose ONE stack every 2 seconds, you can easily make that back with trash mob kills

[paper quiver]

i am 4 beers down time to really reload

[novel quest]

you'd be better off taking adrenaline unbound over uncontrolled

[torpid cloud]

Oh it's really painful from the couple games I played of it

Sure I suck a lot but the gameplay I saw there was also very questionable

[livid raven]

i've seen lv 40 havoc players eat dirt

[twilit canyon]

how about stoked rage, that one sounds a lot better, if not kinda mandatory

[novel quest]

YES take stoked rage

[manic wolf]

Ngl, Im super tempted to go back into Heresy just to witness the shitfest

[torpid cloud]

Are those melee tree nodes

[novel quest]

I personally take stoked rage, adrenaline unbound, and adrenaline smiter

[manic wolf]

Though I wonder if the F2P dudes have even broken out of Malice yet

[limber cradle]

I imagine not

[novel quest]

I doubt it

[sturdy linden]

I think the worst case would be their Heresy friends bringing them along in Heresy missions

"Let's play bro, I'll carry you"

[manic wolf]

People levelling up Scummer at the minute must be suffering bad

[brittle sierra]

F2P turning like a boat shooting at the sky when a single pox walker is tickling their ass

[manic wolf]

Maybe thats why the class is getting so much hate

[bronze glade]

free clutches difficulty tbh

[drifting heron]

Wasn't that bad last night

Only lost once doing highest difficulty availible

Got to heresy before I stopped

[brittle sierra]

Nah this is the same with every class

[frigid thorn]

are you supposed to not take HyperCritical right now? Also does it not apply to ranged attacks by design?

[brittle sierra]

On patch day

[sturdy linden]

I'm not very good, though I did win all my heresy missions clutching a few times. I lost a few on damnation though, and auric I have won i think 2/4 so far

[hearty mango]

rampage makes hive scum so much better to play, I almost feel bad because I like the ranged builds

[manic wolf]

I dont member it being the same with Arb lol, everyone kinda collectively went "oh, this shits OP"

[novel quest]

I am considering carrying my f2p friends into Damnation or something once they've hit 300 power gear

[brittle sierra]

Nah it was pretty bad for Arbi in Damnation

[bronze glade]

well still gives you the high of carrying a shitty ass pub team when you win at least

[obsidian crown]

the amount of people unaware about hitting a dog for dog pins in this game iis iincrediible, i'll say

[manic wolf]

I mean, yeah, theres always gonna be people severly not up to par, but like Arb didnt get the "this class is weak" treatment 300 times a day lol

[brittle sierra]

"carrying" people I don't think is possible anymore 🤔

[novel quest]

as a hive scum? absolutely

lmao

[steep vale]

I got pinned by a hound and watched as the level 12 vet mag dumped his shredder autopistol into said hound for nothing to happen and me losing a wound to corruption

[obsidian crown]

just had 3 teammmates right on top of me with dog and no one hit the dog and i got corrupted all the way to 1 health. I said fuck thiis and left, not carryiing dumb teammates like that

[brittle sierra]

No it did, but it was buried very quickly when people started taking it to Havoc

[rotund atlas]

is it better to go for adrenaline smiter or just keep it basic? I can honestly see them being just as good all in all

[faint fossil]

is that why i had a lv 17 on a auric maelstrom?

[paper quiver]

guys someone carry me

[sturdy linden]

what with the bugged bursters and randoms, most of my downs have been directly corelated to eating a burster pop not meant for me

[paper quiver]

i have high level aspirations

[hot nexus]

Mortis Trial

[brittle sierra]

No I mean speed leveling because of how the difficulty system restricts you in playing higher until you finish some that are lower

[paper quiver]

and i like cute guys and girls

if you respond this request i will love you

[novel quest]

I've done Aurics when I was in Heresy so idk

[prime violet]

Yeah, the leveling was truly ass until damnation. Basically solo simulator.

[brittle sierra]

Damnation is probably the worst unless you actually get people with leveled characters 💀

[bronze glade]

they've made level unlocking soooo much better

used to take 10 games to get from damn to auric

now it's 4

[brittle sierra]

Nah make it 50 to stop the newbs getting into my Aurics 😈

[bronze glade]

grind's still there for newbies

just for us

[faint fossil]

same or someone pushing a burster to me

[brittle sierra]

Make it so that you need to win

[frigid thorn]

If I take Vraks IAG for Desperado, what perks/blessings do I run on it? 5% crit+Flak/Dumdum+Deathspitter like on vet?

[bronze glade]

pretty sure it does already, i wouldn't know because i haven't lost

[prime violet]

Idk, carrying at the lower difficulties happened nearly every game. Maybe it's just because more of the skills are available by the time you hit damnation that it's just easier to kill everything so it never even gets to teammates

[faint fossil]

you do need to win

[brittle sierra]

I've lost games and gotten progression

But then again it could be a visual bug

[bronze glade]

maybe speedload instead of DS, i'm experimenting

[livid raven]

oh my god i found a psyker with the heavy sword and brainburst spam

immediately died to a horde

[brittle sierra]

Vraks other than dumdum doesn't really care about perks/blessings tbh 💀

[frigid thorn]

I'm not sure if I should take like Unyielding on it or if flak is better since you're spraying

Looool

[twilit canyon]

you seem knowledgeable, thoughts on swift endurance?

[prime violet]

Unyielding for ogryn racism

[frigid thorn]

Bro's I'm so mad I stopped playing vet to play this and ended up back on Rashad Vraks again how did this happen

[charred jewel]

bro idk what they did to change the engine or ai director or something, but the game has been feeling more unfair as of late. Poxbursters spawning literally 2 feet away and insta killing me and my unknowing teammates, and then we get moved to the next rescue point TWICE, all the while the one guy left is fighting a BoN that just keeps eating him and 1 trillion poxbursters

[zealous basin]

what is sprint dodge again

[charred jewel]

Like i cannot be the only one thinking the game is doing way to much all of a sudden

[split quiver]

spaghetti at thew wall, but it's good pasta

[frigid thorn]

I feel like dogs are like instantly pouncing on me without any windup time as well lately lol

[amber sundial]

run perpendicular to gunners and you dodge them as long as you have stamina

[crude swallow]

do we have access to the second type of shivs? or it's only assasin ones?

[charred jewel]

sometimes they do, but ive been feeling like i dodge stuff and i'll get hit or disabled even though i dodged

[zealous basin]

ah ok

[twilit canyon]

its 2 marks

[zealous basin]

so like the wind is op?

[zealous ravine]

which one is the good chainaxe again?

[zenith fern]

I wonder how she feels about this

[crude swallow]

yeah i mean i never was them drop. Am i missed something on how to get them?

[frigid thorn]

Yeah I don't think you're the only one. I was in a few matches where people were asking in chat "Is dodge messed up? I'm getting hit even when dodging"

[twilit canyon]

wdym drop? just craft it

[amber sundial]

its pretty alright given how much other ranged dodge stuff is in his kit

[frigid thorn]

I wonder if it's because Nimble is reportedly bugged out right now?

[zenith fern]

level the mastery, then swap the marks on the inventory when inspecting the weapon on the right

[lusty torrent]

quickdraw revolver on scum, cringe or cool

[zealous basin]

pox bursters r really buggy

rn

[novel quest]

really good paired with adrenaline and rampage, I've found tons of mileage on it with shivs and the crowbar

[charred jewel]

especially with crushers. ill admit sometimes i do fumble the dodge timing, but there will be times i dodge out of the way and either the crusher does a super turn or it just hits me regardless of the fact im on his 9 o clock

[crude swallow]

hm... i guess they changed much from release, cause either i am blind or i don't get where you swap

[zealous basin]

but I have noticed more packs of elites on difficulties outside of damnation and lots of hordes on every difficult

[frigid thorn]

Yeah, I think that happened to me a few times when running Nimble. Like I clearly dodged out of the way but then the Mauler literally slides across the floor 400000000 miles and one shots me lmao

[near mauve]

gonna finish leveling my scumer
nightreign took me away from dorktide

[wet heath]

It's so funny seeing 3 armored operatives and a half naked crackhead with cleaver next to them

[twilit canyon]

yes, marks can be freely swapped between weapons now, just go to your shiv, top right, marks

[zealous basin]

personally it feels like the game is more fun then ever fr

[muted holly]

the more I use the crowbar, the more I like it

[near mauve]

has anyone figured out any funny interactions is should keep an eye on

[charred jewel]

i like the challenge, dont get me wrong. but bro these poxbursters i dont even hear them before they jump sometimes

[crude swallow]

hm. interesting okay. will need to check

[novel quest]

it feels like a more versatile shovel

it's nice

[frigid thorn]

Male bounty hunter and female loose cannon has a conversation where the loose cannon goes super freak mode and asks the BH to hit her with his sexy voice and he's so confused

[twilit canyon]

the interaction between my crowbar and the heretics skulls is pretty funny

[charred jewel]

all of a sudden i'll see the red ring from "danger zone mod" and then im dead because of silent poxburster

literally insane

[near mauve]

da freaktide

[twilit canyon]

freak scum

[frigid thorn]

she's like "Hey you, hit me one of those dead cold stares" "What the hell?" "Ohhhh yeah, just like thattttt" "You've got problems" "ohhhhhhh you keep doing it" something like that

SUPER FREAK

[leaden fable]

It's a third button next to weapon skins and trinkets when viewing your inventory

It's free to swap between them and you can do it anytime you can access your inventory, including in the psykanium

[lusty torrent]

bumping rq

same with bolt pistol

[charred jewel]

honestly those overheads already had a bad lock-on before, but this update feels waaaaay more amplified. probably because scum is way more mobile so the dodge distance is bigger, meaning its easier to notice the lock

but yes

crushers and maulers have aimbot 💔

[frigid thorn]

yeah exactly

like I know they have tracking but i've seen them FLY now lmao

[hearty island]

How does Hivescum compare to the others so far?

[charred jewel]

its squishy and kinda gimmicky, but can do good if you're good with them

[dire oak]

Anybody know whether mods work already like scoreboard? Kinda would wna know how well I am doing rn with my build.

[scenic ravine]

fentastic

[charred jewel]

lowk its a skill check

[twilit canyon]

power DI was never broken

[keen timber]

Very good if you have more than two functioning brain cells

[dire oak]

Ah. Must've been something on my side then. Ty, will go try it out then.

[hearty island]

Havent tried him or seen the skill tree yet but in the trailer they made hivescum sound like itd be high floor but high ceiling

[charred jewel]

i think in the darktide mod discord someone made an emergency hotfix

but idk i havent checked since the recent patch

[twilit canyon]

if not, just get power di

[charred jewel]

yeah honestly

it is

[keen timber]

I just disabled my scoreboard and numeric ui for now

[charred jewel]

unless you're running the braindead gun ult

[twilit canyon]

theres a temp fix for numeric ui

[hearty island]

Does he get much dr?

[charred jewel]

no he is very very very squishy

[keen timber]

Rampage is for sure not brain dead

[twilit canyon]

hive scum is a glass cannon

[vast surge]

Like none

[charred jewel]

desperado not rampage

[hearty island]

Ahh, but highly mobile I assume?

[charred jewel]

yes, i am comparing to octane from apex

[twilit canyon]

highly murdery

[keen timber]

Yeah but this implies rampage isn’t brain dead

[hearty island]

Whats the stam regen like?

[near vapor]

le bandito

[keen timber]

Which it undeniably is

[charred jewel]

very very good

[twilit canyon]

stam regen is crazy good, you just have no stamina

[keen timber]

Fantastic and the class has extra dodge regen and dodge distance/frames. very easy class to survive on

[twilit canyon]

lot of players will disagree with you, especially when leveling

def not easy to survive

[charred jewel]

you can argue every ult in this game is braindead, desperado is only especially so because its literally press F and hold down M1. at least with rampage you have to know the swing pattern for whatever you're using and you can still take lots of damage

[keen timber]

Lots of players have skill issue frankly

[twilit canyon]

yes

[keen timber]

Me when I use a chainsword or combat axe and spam lights

[charred jewel]

well there you go

you are uncultured swine and that is why its braindead

[twilit canyon]

for some reason i can barely block 2 enemies when reviving

[uncut lichen]

i mean this class is way more difficult to level than for example arby

you melt so quick if you make mistakes

[charred jewel]

yeah, arby is built for survivability

[keen timber]

Arby plays itself

[vast surge]

The bar was at the floor with arbi. Arbi was the easiest class to level.

[charred jewel]

this class is absolutely a skill check for everyone whos been playing this game for a while

[twilit canyon]

early on gunners will make your life hell if youre not running the ranged ult

[charred jewel]

tests how good you are at not eating hits

[charred jewel]

can you imagine if you didnt know that sliding makes you immune to ranged attacks

[vast surge]

The one thing this class has proved is that I am actually not very good at this game lmfao

[limber cradle]

Arby is the most forgiving class in game, scum is the least forgiving

[terse creek]

Time to git gud then, no?

[twilit canyon]

many people in fact dont know

[uncut lichen]

arby is super easy yeah, i just came back from a break to play arby for 2 weeks before scum released and jumping into hive scum taught me out of a couple bad habits quite quick

[calm aurora]

hvs vs arbites vs zealot

[charred jewel]

dont tell fatshark 🤫

[manic wolf]

A beautiful bit of irony eh?

[calm aurora]

vet is excluded from the conversation of course

[vast surge]

Quite frankly I’m fine with just playing damnation. I already finished my havoc 40 stuff and true survivor so I don’t ever need to play high havoc again.

[calm aurora]

and psyker can cheese with warp ghost and kd

[vast surge]

Getting good is too much work

[limber cradle]

I think it is beautiful with no irony tbh, I was so scared this was gonna be another arb and I was gonna get bored

[manic wolf]

Psyker has been pretty easy to play since the first rework im not gonna sugar coat that

[terse creek]

Damnation? Damn, bro playing with trashiest of trash 💀

[keen timber]

I haven’t actually had a chance to play havoc yet since I wasn’t playing when it was introduced

[vast surge]

It’s hard out here for a casual

But I’m a proud casual

[keen timber]

I was fine with auric maels before so I assume havoc will be fine

[charred jewel]

havoc is interesting, i like it to a certain extent

after 35 it just because ludricously difficult

[twilit canyon]

up to like 25 sure

[charred jewel]

like to the point where its just not fun

[keen timber]

Oh so it’s harder? Good

[broken bear]

?

[vast surge]

To each their own yk, not really for me though

[twilit canyon]

havoc 30+ yeah, they get some bs modifiers

[random shuttle]

I love this event

[manic wolf]

After 30/35 it starts to get really silly, yeah

[terse creek]

That’s what makes it fun, it test your skills in the game and puts you in the ringer, it can be unfair sometimes, sure, but that’s the fun part

[twilit canyon]

same

[random shuttle]

people popping a shrine, folding instantly to 2 bosses

[vast surge]

I like it too, it’s fun.

[keen timber]

I’ll have to give it a try when I’m done with scum then

[random shuttle]

had to clutch or die so many times :d

[broken bear]

Some people don’t like getting their asshole wrecked by 18 big crushers and their pimps, some play to just have a bit of a dopamine boost and purge the heretics

[charred jewel]

bro getting backed into a corner by a wave of pox hardened crushers that i can't kill because their health is so buffed that my meta weapon barely dents their health is not testing my skills. its just fucking me with no condom

[vast surge]

Also I really hope they give crowbar to the other human classes. I’d love to play vet with crowbar.

I know this is a pipe dream though. So I have to keep playing scum lol

[random shuttle]

That's what Malice is for

[manic wolf]

The dichotomy is real, ones with twins? Easy, Spawn an Captain? Easy. Daemonhost? Team folds like wet tissue immediately an im just there like "well, fuck"

[broken bear]

Damnation is perfect for it

Havoc is built for the sweats who wanna get their asshole reamed in 50 times before they win

[keen timber]

Well daemonhosts are more dangerous than the captain types

[trim wind]

My favorite weirdly common shrine event is when one person completely sprints past the shrine and gets downed like 2-3 rooms ahead because the rest of us actually did it

[nova juniper]

If my nads ain’t blistered by the mission end am I really fighting Nurgle

[terse creek]

Ok, on that note, I do agree with you, rotten armor sucks, specially after its recent changes even more, I can’t argue that, but, it’s still a fun experience from time to time

[vast surge]

Why even play the event if you’re not gonna play the event

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[charred jewel]

my only beef with havoc is the fact that the enemy health and damage increases with each level and our health and damage gets nerfed every level, like at that point we're put at such a disadvantage that skill doesnt even matter, it's just getting a good seed

[nova juniper]

Stealth game

[manic wolf]

And this is why we go into hotzones all wrapped up

[terse creek]

Look, if one can’t deal with a wave of crushers, that’s what we call

[vernal sluice]

yeah people are really weird about this event for some reason

I still haven't done the final two tiers because of silly randoms

[keen timber]

I haven’t actually had a chance to complete an event run yet

[frigid thorn]

For the dual autopistols, can't you already sprint and shoot it at the same time? What does run n' gun do as a blessing if you can already sprint and shoot with it?

[keen timber]

I’ve only even been in like 2 event missions

[trim wind]

"Hmm giant shrine I've never seen before, well better just ignore that"

[keen timber]

Accuracy tbh

[charred jewel]

Yeah, I won't say I've always had a bad experience with havoc. I'm just so turned away from even getting into it because theres just so much bs. I'm confident I can finish a havoc 40 if I actually worked towards it, but with rotten armor being in rotation i really think i just want to save myself the headache 😭

[broken bear]

18 is not a wave 🫩 that’s like 4 at once

[terse creek]

No, auto pistol cannot do the running and shooting unless you have that perk on

[obsidian crown]

???? you don't need the perk

[keen timber]

Histg that’s a wave

[livid raven]

yes they can

[trim wind]

The dualies can

[sturdy linden]

I want a difficulty between auric and havoc that has quickplay and no dogshit mods (stimms, blight, rotten etc)

[frigid thorn]

Yes you can, I'm sprinting right now and shooting in the psykanium lol

[sturdy linden]

Is that too much to ask for

[terse creek]

Wait, you right, was thinking of stubs, oops

[frigid thorn]

yee

[broken bear]

Crusher packs are 4-8 usually

[fair oar]

I encountered a shrine today. Havent played in a while it's new to me

[charred jewel]

thats because you're playing on damnation

[trim wind]

It's new to everyone

[keen timber]

High intensity shock troop gauntlet that’s a wave

[charred jewel]

on the REAL difficulties they spawn in 18

[terse creek]

^

[keen timber]

^

[broken bear]

Ty I play auric maelstrom 🫩

Ur assuming a lot lol

[terse creek]

Hence why Damnation is played by the trashiest of trash

[keen timber]

4-8 is a patrol

[charred jewel]

Bro you literally said you prefer damn 😭

[terse creek]

^

[broken bear]

I haven’t touched havoc cuz I haven’t finished leveling 3 characters

[charred jewel]

And I am telling you rn, I have been getting fucked by crusher waves of 15-20 literally ALL DAY

SO DONT TELL ME THEY SPAWN IN FOUR

[sturdy linden]

You spelled Heresy wrong

[charred jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-mad-man-gamer-gif-13927594

[rare idol]

Ok I am bagpilled

[terse creek]

Anything under is either a bot, or a person with possible brain damage, XD

[broken bear]

No I didn’t

[manic wolf]

Well its better than being unbaggedpilled i guess

[broken bear]

Are you illiterate

[rare idol]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085bdbf-209f-4325-ad9b-fb23b79e7020/chem-support-concept

Do Cole’s setup for the 🦴 saw itself

[charred jewel]

Sorry that was another guy

[rare idol]

Needler is whatever, I like to run it zoom style

[charred jewel]

Still thought

Do not be telling me crushers only spawn 4-8

It's just a lie

[broken bear]

Nah they only spawn in 3-6

[terse creek]

Needler is lowkey amazing af

[charred jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-lion-thinking-ragebait-rage-bait-monkey-gif-14090242814517187668

[broken bear]

You are just seeing things like…

[charred jewel]

it has to be

[keen timber]

Bro I get 3-6 on difficulty 4

[rare idol]

For blessings

[charred jewel]

there is NO other explanation

[manic wolf]

It does vastly depend on the seed in all fairness. Sometimes you get a few, other times you get a tidal wave, same for Bulwarks and most other elites

[keen timber]

No way they are spawning in those numbers in full waves on auric

[rare idol]

You can just put whatever for the blessings and whatnot on needler, it doesn’t matter

[broken bear]

how I feel being paid an engineers salary to rage bait autistic Darktide players

[zenith fern]

First auric as ganger, underleveled btw and I managed to out perform the whole squad who is 3 times higher level than me

several deaths and downs and me always standing

[manic wolf]

Ive been enjoying Hotshot on Needler tbh, lets the spread needles hit more dudes and thusly more chem spread

[charred jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mega-cyndago-matt-and-ryan-from-supermega-hot-veggies-hot-vegetables-gif-19258301

FUCK YOU!!!!

[terse creek]

Yup, the dmg is insanely nice to have tho, and the blessings into mobility are superb

[broken bear]

You have no clue how hard I’m laughing

But yea I’m a little unfamiliar with havoc 40 crusher waves

I love histg aurics tho

That shit fun af

[charred jewel]

i havent even gotten to 40 yet ill admit, been playing since beta

[terse creek]

You know, that would had been a good info drop if it wasn’t for the weeb ass image

[charred jewel]

got hardstuck at 36

then they changed how havoc progression worked and i lowk gave up

[rare idol]

Yeah I tend to do sprint needler

[broken bear]

a warhammer game player calling someone a weeb

Lordy

[rare idol]

But the build is the interesting part

[sturdy linden]

I like the Fading Light from Havoc, I just hate the tedious as fuck mods

[broken bear]

Glass house buddy

Glass house

[rare idol]

I’ve found a viable bag build 😂

[vast surge]

40 is just not fun to me, but thankfully I have finished it a couple times. I’m a completionist, so I had to get the penances for it.

[keen timber]

No no you don’t understand I’m totally superior my IP is grimdark and edgy

[trim wind]

I think my favorite thing is when fs was like "ok less crushers now, anyway here's rotten armor in havoc, it spawns more crushers"

[vast surge]

Now I never have to play high havoc again

[trail forge]

Is shock and awe any good on bone saw?

[rare idol]

I knocked out TS and h40 early on and haven’t bothered much since

[broken bear]

😹😹😹

[keen timber]

I hate that emote

[broken bear]

meanwhile that anime is also grim and edgy

[manic wolf]

We wont mention all the dudes in bondage gear wandering about

[charred jewel]

i want to so bad, but ive been so inactive on havoc im all the way back down to lvl 20 and the joruney will be painful

[keen timber]

That emote is ragebaiting me

[rare idol]

#hivescum-class message

[broken bear]

listen I like cats

[sturdy linden]

Top tier

[terse creek]

Kinda the way to go tbh, a utility tool in a gun that can dish out good damage, a dream come true

[keen timber]

Same

[muted holly]

I'm hoping to get a new kitten this afternoon

[charred jewel]

"oh, and by the way we're increasing the health of crushers by... hmm almost double!"

[muted holly]

will depend on how my current cat likes/dislikes the kitten

[vast surge]

Word to that

[rare idol]

I wish they’d make chem dependency work like psyker’s empower and give the different chem mixes different effects. You don’t really need a CDR keystone when CDR stim exists

[limber cradle]

Big same, ig everyone could tell tho.

[terse creek]

Tbf, they nerf their spawn rates/quantity, so it did make sense

[manic wolf]

In all fairness Crusher stopped being a legitimate threat round about the time the first set of class reworks came into the game, they needed the HP bump

[rare idol]

Crusher is less scary if you pack brittle

[muted holly]

I don't think chem dependency is worth using

[vast surge]

I haven’t even touched chemical dependency yet. I’ll admit I’m still doing the penance for vultures mark or whatever it’s called.

[rare idol]

I agree

[signal nebula]

i got a p decent Tox/Crate build for Aurics. P sure it doesn't cut the mustard in Havoc but actually p fun for Aurics.

[manic wolf]

For sure, but there are so many sources of that and rending now that if they didnt have the HP bump they'd amount to fodder

[muted holly]

you're either a ranged build or a melee build

[limber cradle]

Crusher isnt scary when you realize they're gonna hold their overhead and you just dodge a second later than you think you should

[muted holly]

there is no "stimm build"

[terse creek]

Crushers aren’t scary at all tbh, unless you playing on rotten armor high havoc, they kinda just, exist

[charred jewel]

i dont think crushers didn't need a buff. they weren scary at all, and i dont think they're the worst in vanilla

but rotten armor is insane

like on its own, the buffs are fine

but throw rotten armor on top of it

[keen timber]

What does rotten armour do?

[charred jewel]

KMS KLMS KMS

[terse creek]

💀 , ain’t no way you clueless about that

[broken bear]

Make the autistic sweats want to die

[manic wolf]

Yeah, I feel you, the compounding nature of Havoc modifiers does not do great for balance and build variety vs such enemies

[keen timber]

It’s been a long time since I’ve last played.

[charred jewel]

increases health and spawn rate of carapace enemies, they leave behind a puny damage fart. it's mostly their spawn rate and health buff thats the problem honestly

[keen timber]

I haven’t played since way before arby release

[rare idol]

DR boost until it gets under a health threshold, then big DR malus

[keen timber]

Yeah that sounds like it

[muted holly]

don't forget the corruption

[worn gull]

Chem dependency and create already need a rework.

Crate has great potential, 20% atkspd 20%str 15%rending is bonkers but the whole right side of the tree is an incoherent mess.

[charred jewel]

and then yeah throw the havoc buffs the enemies get on top of all fo that

[vast surge]

I think this class is the longest I’ve spent on getting penances. I’m only on 53/66.

[charred jewel]

and your damage nerfs you get

i dont even like thinking about it

[keen timber]

At least scab melee only was melee only

[manic wolf]

Now that is a fun modifier

[limber cradle]

Tbh all I have left to do is play 52 games and I complete every Scum penance

[signal nebula]

realest of takes

[charred jewel]

chem dependency has to be bugged, it makes no sense you dont get the stack when you drop the crate

im convinced its bugged

[keen timber]

That side of the tree felt like utility and things you flex into rather than a main tree

[muted holly]

the fact that the stimm crate conflicts with chemical dependency instead of activating it is a really bad design decision

[zealous ravine]

tried chaxe hive scum this wep still stinks

[keen timber]

It’s pog

[limber cradle]

The right side of the tree exists for tox melee crits and pocket tox

[keen timber]

Does it still get stuck on every hit

[limber cradle]

It feels like a bug, like it feels insane they wouldnt combo together

[random shuttle]

...

[worn gull]

It was a design fumble, they had to change it last second because it enabled infinite cdr cheese. So now it's just kind of a mess.

[random shuttle]

.......

[zealous ravine]

im using t he one that gets stuck on every heavy

[random shuttle]

FS cucked me

[muted holly]

might be, might not be

[random shuttle]

I was solo Clutching 1/3 of the map

[muted holly]

I'm hoping it is a bug

[random shuttle]

went to the 3 downed teammates

[amber sundial]

🥀

[random shuttle]

mutie grabs me

[muted holly]

and not just typical FartShack shit design

[amber sundial]

one more stim use

[ripe seal]

pretty sure that dpeends on the version, one of them gets stuck on all light attacks, the other on all heavies

[random shuttle]

toss me into spawn room

[rare idol]

Idk why they did chem dependency because stim collector or whatever is the same thing but better

[keen timber]

It’s so mid 😭

[rare idol]

And you have a bag subnode that pops it when the stim is up

Kill things —> stim ready -> bag ready

[ripe seal]

i'd for sure just rather use a chainsword over the c hain axe

[charred jewel]

I'm thinking it is, because your stim gets used when you deploy the crate. if they wanted to design it so that the crate wouldn't proc dependency then they would've let you keep your stim

unless they dummies

[muted holly]

yeah, they took the idea of "need to keep taking stimms to keep a set of buffs going" and decided to try to make a capstone out of it

[worn gull]

One of the many ways that tree is

[manic wolf]

Ditto tbh

[rare idol]

And for rampage/despacito CDR stim is strictly better

[charred jewel]

i think rampage dependency build could be fun in the mean time

i havent tried it yet

[rare idol]

There’s no real reason to do buff stims for those two because they’re so much better

[charred jewel]

and itll help me get mroe comfy with abusing my stims

[rare idol]

Tried it, ass

[worn gull]

It is indeed fun

[charred jewel]

hmmm

conflicting answers

[muted holly]

I'm not going to even use the stimm in my post-penance gameplay

[zealous ravine]

take stimms constantly to get nothing interesting in return 🙏

[muted holly]

I'd rather be able to pick up a health stim and heal myself with it

[random shuttle]

FS cheated me out of a clutch smh

[charred jewel]

Yeah honestly 😭

[random shuttle]

[charred jewel]

what it should be like is krubers strength potions

[keen timber]

Yeah the stim buffs just felt like they were designed around spamming more stims rather than actual buffs

[muted holly]

now, if instead of having a magically refilling stim syringe the Scummer was able to on-the-fly modify any stim they picked up

[charred jewel]

its an empty slot and then you're given it when time is up

[keen timber]

The fact u cannot pick stims up at all is so awful

[muted holly]

that'd be far more interesting

[keen timber]

Let me pick stims up and buff my own stim or something

[sonic token]

Anyone got a good build for the hive scum. Just a good melee focus build

[muted holly]

yeah, blocking the class out of picking up stims just for using a class mechanic was a really stupid decision

[charred jewel]

thisw ay you can also give the stim to other ppl too

[ripe seal]

i just think unless you're going for desperado spam for free ammo, you're probably better off going with the keystone of the tree you're going down, though I can imagine a stimcrate build using adrenaline instead of dependancy to better spam stims through sample collector

[keen timber]

Yeah, especially in the case of like health stims

[muted holly]

let the Scummer modify any stim they pick up

instead of preventing them from picking anything else up

[ripe seal]

it sorta makes sense why you can't pick up normal stims alongside the special one

both control and balance wise

[muted holly]

the "sense" is "because the slot is already filled at all times"

[amber sundial]

its almost like they made this decision with OE in VT2 but they were afraid to make it extremely powerful in DT

[charred jewel]

im just disappointed that scums whole gimmick kinda sucks

at least arbs dog is good for killing long range enemies easy

[muted holly]

the cooldown on the custom stim is also way too long

[charred jewel]

i feel like i dont get enough out fo the stim to take it

and without the stim why should i play scum over other classes

[trim wind]

The stim is pretty strong?

[ripe seal]

being able to carry normal stims alongside the custom ones pretty much feels like getting 2 active abilities at once with no trade off

[muted holly]

I can't wait to never use Chemical Dependency nor custom stims again

[keen timber]

OE?

[trim wind]

And cd is alot lower if you take stimm cdr

[amber sundial]

outcast engineer could craft bombs every 80 seconds for free in VT2

[keen timber]

The stim is just a big str buff

[muted holly]

stimm cd isn't affected by the cdr provided by the stimm

[keen timber]

Oh yeah but they’re like 50% power right

I haven’t played much bardin

Mostly saltz and kerillan

[ripe seal]

the stim is good but you need the cooldown reduction to make it more viable which is a big investment in some builds

[amber sundial]

thats the current version, the first version was straight up just the normal explosive bomb

[keen timber]

Oh lmao

[amber sundial]

it was really strong

[keen timber]

Yeah I can imagine

[ripe seal]

i do think that the cooldown of low level stims has to scale better since you need at least like 3 upgrades on te stim for it to ever be worth using over a normal one and at that point the cooldown becomes sorta too much without the cooldown reduction

[ancient basin]

I always run the cooldown reduction

its to good not to use

[keen timber]

I think the stim is fine but it needs to not block actual stims

[amber sundial]

honestly itd be cool if they didnt limit certain stats to just the very end of a branch

[ripe seal]

but you can't make it an all around cooldown reduction since that would make buffed stims busted once you can cool them dow neven faster

[broken bear]

Not having a med stim is rough tbh

[keen timber]

Yeah straight up being locked out of them is punishing

[amber sundial]

like if the dodge / movement speed stim was just its own node that you didnt have to spend 15 points to get

[keen timber]

It doesn’t feel good to be locked out of them because of a class feature

[muted holly]

it's piss poor design

something FartShack has to be beaten over the head about repeatedly until they finally understand what players are complaining about

[eager hull]

is this a good dumpstat for the needle gun?

[twilit canyon]

Just dont put point in the stimm lab, also remember soon it wont be 4 scum per match, and then other teammates can stimm you

[winter galleon]

Any reason so many takes uncanny even though its nerfed on the shivs? Seems the bleed or backstab would be better

[keen timber]

If they’re smart enough to(unlikely)

[charred jewel]

always dump mobility, im running 60 mobility and i still outrun knife spammers

[keen timber]

Dump damage

Damage only effects the initial tick

So it’s irrelevant

[ripe seal]

I think all they really need to do is give the stimm a passive way to actively reduce the cooldown that you can add that one talent on top of to help even more

[amber sundial]

60% dmg btw

aint worth it for like the whole 2 impact dmg you'll be getting on 80

[eager hull]

does stability decrease when im getting shot at?

[signal nebula]

damage is the dump stat

[woeful hill]

its only sway

[signal nebula]

Purgatus staff rules

[woeful hill]

for stability

[eager hull]

because that thing has 0 sway even with stability as dumpstat

[woeful hill]

yes

[worn gull]

20% str 20% atk speed 15% rending is a lot though...

[amber sundial]

oh yea, how good is DB for desperado

[vocal saffron]

15% rending alone is nuts

[paper quiver]

shame. we make the same mistakes yet you still rage on me when i dont do my time right

[solar phoenix]

what should be dual autopistols dump stat? Collateral? Mobility?

[hearty thicket]

collat

[worn gull]

Popping the damage cartel special before either rampage or desparado makes a large and noticeable difference in the effectiveness of both abilities

[eager hull]

mobility. collat is needed for hordes

[steep vale]

I had to ask an arb to grab a medical stim and stim me

[hearty thicket]

eww

[tight musk]

Diabolical demon placement.

[amber sundial]

do the pro gamer move of shooting it then ledging it off the bridge when it TPs to you

[tight musk]

Someone triggered it by accident and we just killed it.

[brittle sierra]

I got a better one

Pull it then leave

[amber sundial]

i got one better, aggro it without being the one to actually be targeted.

then blame the guy who dies for aggroing it

[frigid thorn]

Almost done with this....I'm getting hit on purpose to try and sim before my auto regeneration from abilities takes over lmao

[brittle sierra]

I got a better one

Pull it then leave then come back to kill it so it isn't agroed on you anymore

[keen timber]

I’m surprised the arb could read

[amber sundial]

im only 500 into that 😭

[keen timber]

I feel like scum has a ton of toughness regen the stim regen burst is really hard to use

[clear steppe]

How do you building needle pistol blessing wise

[frigid thorn]

I hate this one so much, I want to go back to using my cooldowns stim

[keen timber]

Chastise is easy to use because no animation

[frigid thorn]

yeah you have a ton of abilities that instantly pop you back up to a decent amount of toughness whenever you get low as long as you're not just facetanking nonstop, so I'm either at 0 or full 90% of the time

[amber sundial]

FREE ME FROM STIMS PLEASE

[bronze glade]

i'm just ignoring penances

[frigid thorn]

i think this picture sums up playing hive scum

[amber sundial]

convienently the color of the only custom stim worth taking

[frigid thorn]

smashing the stim button NONSTOP SO I CAN GET MY PENANCES

[keen timber]

The early toughness regen perks feel pretty good too

Plus it’s pretty easy to not get hit

[frigid thorn]

yeah

like I really do have to go out of my way to break my toughness on aurics

[amber sundial]

honestly once i finish custom stims penances im either going to

not use custom stims
use insta toughness stim as a oh shit button and never use it otherwise

[frigid thorn]

at least to a level where the stim would actually do anything

i like the cooldown stims, just spam them whenever

[amber sundial]

honestly bombers are gonna be my best friend for the enhanced penance

[frigid thorn]

your abillity is back!

LOL yes

"BOMBER REPORTING"

[keen timber]

Toughness stim is kinda ehh imo

[amber sundial]

im purely gonna use it for oh shit thats a bomber nade i didnt hear right on me

[keen timber]

I want the toughness stim when I’ve got a bunch of ragers on my ass or something

[manic wolf]

You cna tell the F2P players have reached Auric because there are goobers not pulling nets lmao

[keen timber]

Which it’s useless because I don’t want the anim lock

[main minnow]

Is it me or is the dual stub pistols a bit too realistic compared to everything else

[keen timber]

You mean they kill man sized targets in 2 shots consistently?

[main minnow]

Like the Brrauto is clearly an AK-pattern rifle but they screwed with it just enough to look "Tidey"

[manic wolf]

Other than them being like .50cal I guess

[main minnow]

or rather Warhammery

[manic wolf]

Kinda do if you build for them tbh