hivescum-class

[ancient python]

aesthetically shivs are dog ass. scum from a manufactorum hive can't get real knives? they gotta file down drill bits?

[main wagon]

Someone help

What is this cash register cha-ching sound I keep hearing

[spice cloud]

I love the shivs

So good uugh

[toxic dagger]

they can, but that wouldnt be very punk

[ancient python]

also the fucking reverse grip dual knives aesthetic drives me insane, it's stupid swinging a knife like that

[toxic dagger]

thats just another veteran

[turbid fulcrum]

I really hope they take the time to roll out a huge balance patch in the first half of next year.

[dim moth]

gun build is pretty rad

[dense hollow]

i just hope with the release of desperado and it being so loved gunlugger will get some love too

[spice cloud]

It is used like that in fencing tho

[toxic dagger]

I've been hoping for more major balance changes for a long time but the only thing they seem to want to do is class reworks with a lot of (inadvertent or not) powercreep

[dim moth]

do our scummy boys look like they know what a fence is

outside of that thing you hope over to rob a grandma's house

[spice cloud]

I mean yeah!?! how else are you gonna mark ur turf??

[ancient python]

i know how knives are used, i'm talkin about holding two knives, not one real weapon and one cheeky offhand trick

[dim moth]

head on spike

[toxic dagger]

I suspect that they're experiencing the Arrowhead problem where reworks with buffs are well received and nerfs are poorly received and negative player sentiment makes the suits scared

[spice cloud]

Just a variation of fence

[trim wind]

The consequences of the psword review bomb

[turbid fulcrum]

The overall game balance has been moving in the wrong direction for a while now imo.
Overall the philosophy seems to be "throw a shit ton of enemies at the players, give them some OP stuff to delete screens every 1,5s to compensate" which leaves a lot of things in the dust on higher difficulties.

[ancient python]

reverse gripping a knife fucks your range and makes it way harder to cut, it's only good for stabbing

[turbid fulcrum]

Fix enemy balance, then tune everything to a more even standard.

[neon mango]

helldivers 2 has been a disaster for video game balancing

[rapid mango]

event tiers or melk completion probably

[ancient python]

tbf hd2 got better when they eased off on the nerfs

that shit was such a drag

[dim moth]

no the fuck it dfidn't lmao

"eased off the nerfs" bitch when were nerfs ever more than buffs

[trim wind]

They didn't really nerf very much, it was all perception

[dim moth]

buffs outnumbered nerfs in that game like 10:1 every update

and bitches still bitched

[neon mango]

the nerfs were nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be and now theyve swung so far in the opposite direction that the games piss easy

[trim wind]

Then they mega buffed everything and the game got alot less fun

[toxic dagger]

I think this kind of gameplay is just more popular

[ancient python]

nah i played that game for a couple months when it came out, the nerfs were really dispiriting, idk why people keep saying the nerfs weren't bad, is there a youtuber or something pushing this?

[dim moth]

common fucking sense and actually reading the patch notes is what pushes that

[spice cloud]

It was the armor rework that made the game a lot easyer

[dim moth]

you know reading the patch notes yourself?

forming your own opinion?

[faint fossil]

i just got hit by a burster into a mauler overhead

hate this game

instant death

[toxic dagger]

the other way around, youtubers were the ones pushing the "NO NERFS ONLY BUFFS" narrative

[unreal stirrup]

my opinion is from mr tanner lindberg

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124335205650538509/1283126260775784529/bonk_loop.gif

[ancient python]

yeah i mean that's the exact thing i did, what with not watching youtubers and just playing the game

[dim moth]

I don't believe you

[toxic dagger]

the same thing is happening now btw

[ancient python]

"you should form your own opinion! wait no not that opinion!"

[manic wolf]

Whats frustrating is that the playerbase at large nearly aways resents that attitude, but it still becomes the pervasive norm

[muted heath]

Just realized I can build more stamina for more attack speed on hivescum.

[dim moth]

unironically

I think you are lying

[turbid fulcrum]

well, I think it's popular for the 2000 powergamers that play H40 regularly for fun but not for many more people.

[toxic dagger]

desperado uzi scum does a DISGUSTING amount of damage and Mr E made a video yesterday saying it was "weak" and "in need of buffs"

like he specifically singled out the STRONGEST scum spec

[ancient python]

well then we literally don't have anything to talk about do we

[muted heath]

https://tenor.com/view/punching-many-hands-anime-jojos-bizarre-adventures-jjba-gif-16204366

[toxic dagger]

and asked for buffs for it

[muted heath]

U can go nuts with attack speed

[dim moth]

because "the nerfs are so bad in helldivers" is the iconic opinion

of every single empty headed idiot that only listened to youtubers

[ancient python]

i don't interact with the helldivers community at all

[dim moth]

and reading the patch notes actively disproves that narrative

[rapid mango]

"its called forming your own opinion"
expresses opinion
"you're LYING!"

[dim moth]

no because if they had done what they had said and read the patch notes themselves

there is no way they'd be saying the shit they do

[neon mango]

most of the nerfs of olde were really misguided reworks like rocket pods or nothingburgers like the breaker

[dim moth]

because what they are saying is the youtuber take

beat for beat

[muted heath]

Sienna plays darktide confirmed

[dim moth]

and then claiming they read the patch notes themselves which actively goes against what the youtubers were saying?

[rotund agate]

btw, any tips on needler perks and blessings?

[near vapor]

did he say why

[muted heath]

I go reload speed and sprint efficiency on the perks. I dump my stability stat because it feels the same 60 and 80

[dim moth]

yeah lying is significantly more likely than this just being their opinion

[mossy sedge]

Btw what's the build for this

I want to try later

[tender marten]

We must maintain the agenda at all costs.

[mossy sedge]

I want to uzi dump and do millions of dmg pls

[toxic dagger]

probably, I didn't watch the video.

[tender marten]

Buff Desperado.

[sonic pumice]

Dump damage, that gun hits for it's dot not direct damage, and picking utility blessings is the way since nothing really boost it's damage outside of perks like flak

[tender marten]

Give us three uzis.

[unreal stirrup]

being immune to ranged attack is weak apparently

[ancient python]

idk man it sounds like you're just upset i don't agree with you

[rapid mango]

i put Cara/Uny on mine, (flakiac on shivs for DoT switching), with stripped down because no desperado, and i forget the other blessing i did

[toxic dagger]

pins

[manic wolf]

Ranged attacks? Scum can be immune to ALL attacks lul

[nocturne anvil]

So I'm on day 3 for hive scum, max level

My opinion is that Desperado is their best build followed closely by melee and... stims are weak but only because it's hard to abuse them since they're heavily reliant on context of what's currently happening. If your team isn't able to capitalize you're literally just down an ability.

[sonic pumice]

Why only on crit when you can slide away from your problems and be immune to ALL attacks?

[neon mango]

desperado is kinda insane just being completely immune to ranged with ez toughness regen from the one talent on top of it

[dusty solstice]

i think the worst when it comes to stims is when you get put into a pox gas mission

[main trellis]

Cause crit is better

[rotund agate]

crap, I have an 80% max damage stat one with only 65% mobility...

[sonic pumice]

Agree to disagree

[unreal stirrup]

slide doesn't save you from melee but whatever lol

[rapid mango]

stim supply with the breathe and go is actually really fucking strong on blight / pox gas

[manic wolf]

Think the slide one is just melee, however you can have both ranged immunity, on crit immunity and on slide immunity

[rapid mango]

corruption immunity

[dense hollow]

the enemy hp buffs made sense in context to all the increased power but it left the things that were left behind already prior even worse

[dusty solstice]

yes it does.

https://i.imgur.com/6bK3tpL.png

[reef spoke]

I would hope so UwU

[sonic pumice]

Me sliding away from all harm in the world, because I never run out of stamina

[unreal stirrup]

oh

[dense hollow]

frag bomb doesn't fulfil it's purpose as well anymore

[manic wolf]

Which like, is cool for a movement focused character, but crits for total immunity to melee and ranged? Thats the one I think is truly ridiculous at this point

[main trellis]

Sometimes you’ll have to shoot only; sliding takes momentum & not many players can maintain 2 - 3 actions at the same time

[reef spoke]

Regen frag bomb pls

[toxic dagger]

what this means is that melee attacks dont track you anymore

BUT you will still be pancaked by an overhead.

[sonic pumice]

Me watching people not being able to shoot and slide:

[toxic dagger]

since those just do AoE damage and are untargeted

[dusty solstice]

ahh the age old "Fatshark sucks at explaining shit"

[main trellis]

And thats why that talent is overrated

[toxic dagger]

and

it doesnt cover the one true bane of the scum

poxbursters.

holy FUCK I hate bursters on this class.

[dense hollow]

isnt that the bane of everyone now, something feels off about them after playing so many quickplays

[nocturne anvil]

I find it kinda redundant to take the slide immunity. I feel like Hive Scum is incredibly mobile to the point nothing can hit them anyways

[dense hollow]

idk if its a placebo but they seem to just ignore my motions more often than before

[reef spoke]

VoC spam time

[manic wolf]

Poxbursters and silent trappers.. if you get netted you're down, basically no instance where you survive it

[toxic dagger]

could be but could also be that we're all hallucinating

but the main problem is that scum has SO little DR

like

[rapid mango]

yeah bursters arent being pushed even by psyker shriek

[toxic dagger]

bursters barely tickle my ogryn

[ancient python]

silent trappers are such a pain

[toxic dagger]

I literally dgaf if I get hit once

scum? you're nearly dead.

[rapid mango]

i have to spam push on shivs to get that thing away from me

[sonic pumice]

And it's worse when the bursters are ninjas

[nocturne anvil]

Do shivs have the same mobility boons that combat knife has?

[reef spoke]

I have spidey sense tuned to only detect trappers specifically because they refuse to address the silent trapper issue lol

[ancient python]

there's some kinda audio issues going on

[dusty solstice]

ive started playing the other classes over the scum. my melee psyker is way less squishy than scum

[manic wolf]

Did bursters get buffed recently btw? Feels like they will launch themselves from further away now and their AoE feels bigger

[ancient python]

psyker being less squishy than scum is pretty funny

[unreal stirrup]

worse mobility, worse versions of blessing

[sonic pumice]

That si why the psyker is so busted nowadays

[reef spoke]

It has been noted but not confirmed

[rapid mango]

my guy EVERYTHING is less squishy than the scum

[warped quiver]

It was a twofold issue. The game lacked allrounder equipment and was intended to have specific roles on a team, but we all know that doesn't work with randoms; people want to be able to do everything well enough.
This left people stuck with a single viable loadout (bubble shield, railgun, and an orbital/eagle to deal with bile titans).
Arrowhead then nerfed those specific pieces in order to push build variety.

[sonic pumice]

All damage, all damage reduction, no neefs

[nocturne anvil]

I was afraid of this. Kinda defeats the purpose unless you want the special attack.

[neon mango]

teammates fumbling a burster near a scum is awful

like there goes half a bar

[manic wolf]

Sounds abour right, keep getting tagged by one thats fuckin miles away which feels off, if it is a buff, like fair enough, but it takes some gettin used to

[nocturne anvil]

Poxburster resistance curios when

[ancient python]

they did do that yes

[dusty solstice]

my favorite is when a burster walks into your chem grenade -_-

[reef spoke]

I just run away from bursters as Scum, it's guaranteed safety at least

[unreal stirrup]

also can anyone give me the funny relic stealth zealot build lmao

@toxic dagger

[neon mango]

so fucking often recently ive had teammates shooting bursters when i was very obviously going for a shove on it

[sonic pumice]

I actively slide to them to shove em, I think I have suicidal tendencies

[reef spoke]

The problem is the safest route for ganger is to shoot them 😔

And there's like 90% gangers these days lol

[dusty solstice]

safest route is to hide behind ogryn

[sonic pumice]

Bs, shove is still king

[reef spoke]

Yet here we are complaining about bursters going off

[sonic pumice]

As per usual

[manic wolf]

They're falling off fast in my experience due to difficulty

[nocturne anvil]

I know the autopistols are the go to for raw DPS but I adore dual stubs for being more versatile across all ranges.

[dusty solstice]

if only the bursters would ALWAYS pop after being shoved lol

[manic wolf]

Yesterday I got more lobbies with other classes than I did with other Scummers

[sonic pumice]

I am complaining that the audio cues are garbo

[random shuttle]

Yeah Scummy fell off quick

[zealous ravine]

mayb i should just get spidey sense again silent poxbursters have been awful

[random shuttle]

when players figured out they need to be good at the game to play it

[zealous ravine]

silent trappers? not seeing em too often at least

[rapid mango]

speaking of,
veteran: "poxbuster! SHOOT it SHOOT it" -i forget which personality
fem outlaw: "its a poxbuster! give it as shove"

[nocturne anvil]

Yeah it's happening sooner than with Arbitrator
I think it's the effect where people are uhh, realizing they have to play really well lol

[amber sundial]

I am NOT shooting them when I have a needler, my teammates are gonna run up to the poisoned thing and it’s gonna explode on em

[sonic pumice]

My rule is this: running? Shove it, is it on the floor and not exploding? Shoot it

[ancient python]

bursters falling over and doing the peter griffin knee pain meme for 30 seconds while the veteran 40 meters away is looking at you and foaming at the mouth

[reef spoke]

To be fair, its garbo for every enemy except mutants. Did you know snipers have a unique audio when they spawn and walk

[amber sundial]

Male BH says to shove it and get clear too

[nocturne anvil]

I hate when

[sonic pumice]

They have? Oh shit, never knew that

[manic wolf]

Yeah... its a more demanding class, which is awesome, but Arby really made people worse on the whole. Fun class, but way too OP and forgiving of mistakes, whereas Scummer just isnt, you fuck up, you die

[random shuttle]

There is something iffy with bursters recently

[reef spoke]

I love Darktide audio 😔

[rotund agate]

btw, what does the explosive effect of mk6 needler even do? it looks like it does very little damage from what I have seen...

[nocturne anvil]

My dumbass teammates stand next to the grounded poxburster holding their guard waiting for them to stand

[rapid mango]

sniper cues

[manic wolf]

Yeah I just asked about that earlier Kerfus, seems they jump from further away an the AoE is bigger

[dim moth]

double barrel desperado

very fun

[zealous ravine]

poxbursters refuse to function

[sonic pumice]

I'll not forgive ObeseFish until they make rocket launcher cool, I want it to be strong blitz DAMNIT!

[random shuttle]

Bursters got secret shadow buff

[ancient python]

that's not the spawn cue

[reef spoke]

Double its damage because I want bigger boom

[nocturne anvil]

They dont have a spawn I'm 99% sure but I know the walk.

[rapid mango]

their walks also make a lil jingle noise

like a bag of coins

[sonic pumice]

Damn man, how dare you make me learn when all I want are stims?

[dim moth]

of all the fucking enemies to buff why them?

[zealous ravine]

i've also had basic enemies not play the dodge cue guh

[dim moth]

what's next chaos spawn getting more push back on their attacks?

[reef spoke]

They do but only on the sniper gauntlet

[dim moth]

bulwarks being straight immune to stagger?

[nocturne anvil]

Ok well I know that

[reef spoke]

Ah ok

[random shuttle]

With bulwarks

[rapid mango]

they uh.... they did do that

[dim moth]

if you're going to buff an enemy type why buff one that's already obnoxious to deal with

[nocturne anvil]

pre rework bulwark shield hurtbox

[random shuttle]

all that's needed is return to old bulwarks force fields 😄

[reef spoke]

Reapers with literal reaper autocannons

[rapid mango]

in havoc

[amber sundial]

bulwarks my hatred

[turbid fulcrum]

I died at least 3 times to this when leveling hive scum. It's very frustrating

[rotund agate]

can someone answer this question please?

[livid raven]

they should make a bulwark wave modifier

[dim moth]

brute conscripts :)

[nocturne anvil]

Reaper modifier would be fun

[neon mango]

desperately trying to slip attacks past a bulwarks shield while my teammates jerk off in the corner

[zealous ravine]

ah so other ppl r also having the issue?

[reef spoke]

In the pins, the Hive Scum guide at the bottom has a note for Toxin application (including the needle pistols)

[ancient python]

the buff that scum needs the most is for ogryn to be given an autocannon

[rapid mango]

makes enemies explode for a lil aoe dmg. other mark spreads more toxin, from what i understand

[zealous ravine]

hive scum needed dual wielding bonesaws otherwise f tier

[random shuttle]

Mk6 makes enemies explode with small staggering AOE and minor dmg, Mk2 makes them explode passing tox to nearby enemies and give the needles small AOE

[ancient python]

i have only barely touched the bonesaw, that thing does not feel good when you unlock it

[rotund agate]

ok, so I guess I am gonna stick with mk2 then...

[zealous ravine]

its a goofy wep

[neon mango]

bonesaw moveset feels very awkward

[random shuttle]

Bonesaw is amazing tho

[neon fern]

get shock and awe and the cleav talent

decimator

and ur golden

[zealous ravine]

its alright

[nocturne anvil]

I like to hug really close to bulwarks. Really easy to slip past them since nothing they do is fast enough to really do anything. Don't hold block, just let the shield bash hit you since it doesnt really do anything.

But then again I run blinders so bulwarks are a negative threat

[reef spoke]

Bonesaw needs Sunder pls UwU

[neon fern]

it's purple mode

[neon mango]

i dont doubt that its good im just washed

[neon fern]

urple

[dim moth]

bonesaw should totally put an extra tox stack on crit by default

3 tox stacks per swing is not busted I swear

[unreal stirrup]

real

darktide intro cutscene jumpscare

i forgor to patch

[neon fern]

enemies u apply tox to should blow up that would be even more balanced

like the blitz talent

[neon mango]

seeing that shark and knowing its yet another day without numericui

[neon fern]

u will live modded chud

[last marsh]

and it doesnt suck for mutants because all you hear its:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[neon fern]

be not afraid

[last marsh]

WHUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

-# mutie incom--

[sonic pumice]

So question: you folks think the chemtox dot should stack so many times? Feels quite too powerful in some cases that you can stack it fast (like the upgraded version of the zealot fire nades, that chem nades are BUSTED)

[last marsh]

WHUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa

[near mauve]

Nice spam

[neon mango]

fuck my modded chud life

[last marsh]

i love when i play auric and the game master spawns 5000000 mutants

[narrow dagger]

lol i was playing anarchist male and male loner psyker said im happy youre here kinda thing and then said they hate you more than me

[amber sundial]

The chem nade caps at 7 stacks applied

[last marsh]

lore accurate mutant horde

[amber sundial]

the needler should stay being able to apply to the hard cap since it has literally no dmg otherwise

[last marsh]

cant hear the fuckin trapper spawnning inbetween the waagh

[unreal stirrup]

7 stack is enough to kill almost everything in reasonable time

[sonic pumice]

And it still cleans caparace units so fast? That... seems crazy

[amber sundial]

it just has good modifiers

[last marsh]

-# casting net! mwehehehehe

[sleek grove]

God, so many people shouldn't be touching auric

[narrow dagger]

LEMME SEE THOSE SPLEENS

[sonic pumice]

More like god modifiers

[toxic dagger]

there is a compendium of zealot builds pinned in the zealot chat

that one probably has it

[last marsh]

new class drop so i assume auric is ass rn

[narrow dagger]

as always

[reef spoke]

C:

[last marsh]

really with scum not being like stupid as arby

[sleek grove]

Yeah tried a couple, dear lord it's unplayable

[neon mango]

all difficulties are rife with ass teammates

[reef spoke]

Auric is fine if you just assume you're soloing it

[toxic dagger]

its already cooling off a bit

[dim moth]

just more opportunities for me to flex being the one good hive scum

[neon mango]

does not help at all with scum being harder to play

[toxic dagger]

I had reasonably mixed parties in auric when I played on wednesday evening

[sonic pumice]

Now that's the spirit of a scum

[last marsh]

leveling up my scum has been funny because im trained to double shove poxbursters but new players just blast them

[toxic dagger]

oh especially maelstrom

has mixed parties

[narrow dagger]

all those wannabe scums will leave after hype is over

[sleek grove]

I mean, there's not much to do when 3 people die i try and get them and a patrol of crushers out of nowhere 😂

[steel granite]

Idk why but hive scum to me just feels like not enough damage for its squishiness. Like its comparable damage... but you can just play another class and do similar damage without being made out of tissue paper

I did not mean to reply to someone lol

[reef spoke]

Reply pinged, brb executing you

[sleek grove]

The problem i feel with Hive is you have 1 build that is actually strong (desperado with any autogun) and the rest is half cooked untested stuff

[narrow dagger]

skill issue

[neon mango]

thats when you stomp those snivellers

[sonic pumice]

Sure but usually that other class is unbalanced (psyker) I have managed to outdamage others like ogryn and vet with gun only scum

[sleek grove]

btw, best melee for anti crushers/armor?

[neon mango]

desperado build gets insane damage on h40s according to hank

[narrow dagger]

bonesaw

[main elm]

Melee is ok, it’s mostly full right tree side build that does nothing on its own

[sonic pumice]

I like the crowbar more than the saw, but can't deny it's power

[muted heath]

I think I can get up to like %96 speed bonus if I get blue stimmed

can somone stimm you if you stimmed already?

[dim moth]

no, but multiple SCUM using stimm supply does stack

so you can get attack speed from 3 other peoples stimm supplies

[sleek grove]

i love Bonesaw in a melee build, but for random gettting it out i feel it's a bit too slow

[foggy phoenix]

The hell? My loadouts aren't saving

[narrow dagger]

just take attack speed scaling with stamina node

[muted heath]

NO DID THE MATH %100 SPEED BONUS

[sonic pumice]

Even when I still don't have stamina curio?

[narrow dagger]

yup

still worth it

[sleek grove]

Yeah, that i usually do, but i think it still need either adrenaline or rampage to actually feel really good

[nocturne anvil]

I was able to put down 2 stim packs before using practiced deployment without a stim lab mixture by picking up 2 stims. I couldnt replicate this in the psykanium

[sleek grove]

btw, best heavy attack weapon to finish the penance fast?

[narrow dagger]

scums og weapons have +4ish stamina values

[faint fossil]

are the burster sounds working properly?

[narrow dagger]

so should be okay

[sleek grove]

i guess some version of eavy sword?

[faint fossil]

i swear it feels like i can't hear them at times

[sonic pumice]

Nope

[foggy phoenix]

Hmm

[narrow dagger]

dogs too

[neon mango]

burster sounds have been fucky for a while now

[narrow dagger]

without animation they insta-pounce

[foggy phoenix]

Yep, my tree is bugged

[thin crag]

is the in your face node worth it?

[narrow dagger]

but when i play arbites my dog waits 1 to 2 biz days to pounce

[thin crag]

i’m running needle gun so that’s why i ask, i wonder if it makes the dots do more damage?

[narrow dagger]

i dont think you need it even if it works

[thin crag]

yeah, that’s true because the damn thing already does so much damage

[vernal sluice]

I predict it's gonna happen really soon

[thin crag]

but if i was running auto pis and dual pistols would it be worth it to run in your face?

[narrow dagger]

we are in it for life brother🤙

[sonic pumice]

The chem dot is beyond busted I feel, nothing stands alive when it's stacked

[narrow dagger]

but the show is better

know that

[vernal sluice]

Tread lightly...

[thin crag]

[narrow dagger]

they hate us cuz they aint us🔥

THE SHOW GOES ON

[sonic pumice]

We about to divide the Hivescum channel into factions

The cool one and the rest

[thin crag]

water cartel for life

[dull dagger]

What is dump stat on bone saw, mobility?

[rare idol]

You changed your blitz without clearing an upgrade node on the old one and your build got reverted

[narrow dagger]

nah sewer rats are here

[thin crag]

probably yeah

i’m still trying to get used to using the damn saw

[dull dagger]

Same for shivs? Mobility?

[thin crag]

yeah

[narrow dagger]

yup

[manic wolf]

Noone supporting the Iron Riders up in here huh

[rare idol]

Getting the iron rider pants takes a while

[thin crag]

i’m wearing their colors atm for my drip

wanna see

[manic wolf]

Sure crack on

[warped grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg_rw3w1g20

[sonic pumice]

Use the push heavy heavy light combo for horde clear, it's a game changer since the weapon otherwise don't have good vanguard strikes

[flat mist]

For Lady Steel!

[digital drift]

any advice on what weapon would be good for doing the heavy kills while stimmed?
its probably something that can clear hordes with heavy swings right?

[neon mango]

lmao

[jaunty coral]

is anyone else sometimes using the new Shivs, and they bug out? It stops me from doing my overhead heavy combo, I have to swap weapons and back or something.

Im unsure if its a bug with the new class/weapons, or its a mod I have messing things up (maybe something like guaranteed weapon swap, idk)

Anyone experience this? Twice in a match last night using the dual shivs my attack animations would break and I stopped being able to heavy attack properly.

[unreal stirrup]

bruh my keyboard really got fucking dced

i lost aura

[narrow dagger]

SCREW BUILDS WHICH GANG ARE YOU FROM

[sonic pumice]

Both new weapons do work, I like crowbar but saw is a favourite of ppl

[warped grove]

FOR THE IRON RIDERS

[manic wolf]

Decent

[narrow dagger]

THE SHOW GOES ON

[sonic pumice]

The show

[warped grove]

WATER CARTELS A BUNCH OF KILLJOYS

[rare idol]

The orange gear for the show is 👌 🔥

[thin crag]

i like the spikey haircut a lot

[narrow dagger]

SEWER RATS

[main elm]

Finally I can stop sandbagging and start playing the build I want

[thin crag]

might change back to that

[unreal stirrup]

ok game

[warped grove]

DOWN WITH THE SHIT WATER GANG

[thin crag]

noted

[narrow dagger]

ALL MY MUCKERS HATE WATER CARTEL

[warped grove]

What about Tread Lightlies though

can´t say I heard of them much

[narrow dagger]

IF THEY DONT INTERRUPT THE SHOW THEYRE COOL

[warped grove]

YWEAAAAH

[neon mango]

i like the hazard stripes on the tread lightly gear

[warped grove]

same

[keen timber]

what the fuck is the cartel special? is that stimm supply?

[indigo fractal]

the conclave is already over? time to have turf wars on Atoma

[warped grove]

any unique stim (from the stimm lab)

[south ice]

best combos for bone saw?

[keen timber]

so the cartel special penance is get heavy attack kills when a stim is active?

[warped grove]

push attack > heavy > heavy (horde clear)
push > heavy > heavy (single target)

[thin crag]

what perks and blessings do you run?

[sour pendant]

LORD MEGLIVAITHAN CHOO CHOO CHOOSES YOU FOR THE GANG, MUCKA

[warped grove]

IRON RIDERS!!!!!

!!!

[narrow dagger]

🔥

[warped grove]

shit was so fire hadron had to step in

[narrow dagger]

that killjoy

[warped grove]

what a karker that scrap of metal

[random shuttle]

Water Cartel is the only real Cartel smh

the others just appeared right now out of the woodworks

because too scared to fight

[narrow dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cliff-unger-cliff-death-stranding-i-dont-like-your-attitude-soldier-gif-25335831

[jaunty coral]

is anyone else sometimes using the new Shivs, and they bug out? It stops me from doing my overhead heavy combo, I have to swap weapons and back or something.

Im unsure if its a bug with the new class/weapons, or its a mod I have messing things up (maybe something like guaranteed weapon swap, idk)

Anyone experience this? Twice in a match last night using the dual shivs my attack animations would break and I stopped being able to heavy attack properly.

[warped grove]

I know who the next bounty is

[broken dirge]

omg maddison mickelback

[indigo fractal]

steal her face plate

what will she do? condemn your soul to a thousand years of service as a toilet seat?

[sudden jolt]

is it me or are there no crit chains on the dual mac10s whatsoever

[narrow dagger]

WATER MUCKAS THINK THEMSELVES SO HIGH, BETTER THEN US! WATCH YO BACK KARKER.

[random shuttle]

Oh yeah? You're 70% Water, mucka, get with the program.

[sour pendant]

Turn off mods and see if it happens again

[random shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-avatar-the-last-airbender-korra-legend-of-korra-gif-3850242

[oak bramble]

Tread lightly and carry the biggest gun

[manic wolf]

70% tea, actually

[narrow dagger]

%70 chemical components actually

RAHHHH THE SHOW

STIMMS ALL OVER THE PLACE

[warped grove]

IM 100% IRON AND RIDING TOWARD YOUR DESTINATION TO KILL YOU AS WE SPEAK

[random shuttle]

Imma hit ya with Water Cartel secret weapon

[indigo fractal]

love how the hivescum experience so far its been like those cjng edits

[sour pendant]

Water?

[manic wolf]

Missed opportunity for a "your mum" joke there, smh

[sour pendant]

Water balloon?

[warped grove]

Didnt I play with you?

Unless someone else is named Stim-Shady

[manic wolf]

I dunno, maybe

[warped grove]

I wasn´t arrow, I have names for my characters

hm

[manic wolf]

I have bleached spikey hair

[narrow dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

we need a ganger rp chat

[warped grove]

so true

[indigo fractal]

didnt 47 kill you?

[warped grove]

elite ball knowledge

[narrow dagger]

the last 15 mins of water cartel racism was so fun

[warped grove]

I bet the Bully ogryn would be overjoyed to join the iron riders with his love for public transport

[narrow dagger]

EHEHEHEH TRAIN GOES VROOOOM! I AM THE FASTEST AHAHAHAHAH!

[flat mist]

Yeah I had that happen in one game earlier

[manic wolf]

Funny coz i almost called my dude "Johnny Silverballs" for a double barrel reference to match the double pistols

[dim moth]

trying to use cartel special while it's on cooldown seems to cause it to buffer until it comes off cooldown

which fucks up animations. prevents you sprinting, etc.

[manic wolf]

Passive nerf to Chem Dependancy ¬.¬

[vale mortar]

Has anybody been matched with a Smooth Criminal? I've been about and want to know if anybody has some clips.

Cuz my shadowplay was off xd

[dim moth]

with a what now

[manic wolf]

Alien Ant Farm or MJ?

[raven matrix]

BY JOVE, YOU SPEAK THE KING’S ENGLISH!

[raven matrix]

I mean alien ant farm aren’t s3x offenders so I’d have to go with them.

[vale mortar]

Mj lmao

I play smooth criminal at the endish part of missions. And ball out

[dim moth]

this fucking enemy type is going to give me an aneurism

[vale mortar]

Fun af

[dim moth]

I dodge the correct direction

there is a wall between me and it

I am like nearly 10 meters away

grab still fucking hits me

[honest shale]

It's the netcode

[sturdy linden]

I really do feel dodges are borked this patch

[honest shale]

Any amount of ping

[robust sable]

Crowbar + Needle Pistol, my beloved

[sturdy linden]

I'm getting hit by stuff I 100% know I dodged

Idk what's up

[dense hollow]

i just got booted off the server 5 minutes ago when 2 bosses spawned

[dim moth]

I feel like if "It's the netcode" it wouldn't be chaos spawn specifically that do this 9 times out of 10

And everything else MOSTLY works as expected

[honest shale]

Pure dodge class gets released into a patch with broken dodges.

[manic wolf]

Still not as bad as trappers or bursters this patch

[sturdy linden]

I had a netter net me AFTER i had dodged 90 degrees to his right

[unreal stirrup]

anyone have problem with dark carnival not ending

[dim moth]

I haven't experienced it with trappers but yes bursters

[sturdy linden]

It was the stupidest thing I ever saw

[dim moth]

bursters 100% have to have a larger explosion radius

[manic wolf]

Yup, whilst its still looking in the other direction... Same

[dim moth]

and it's fucking with my muscle memory so much

[honest shale]

Or scum pushes don't push them far enough

[dim moth]

no they objectively have a larger explosion radius

[manic wolf]

Seems a lot of people are noticing this, they're also throwing themselves forward from way further away

[dim moth]

I use danger zone mod

[tepid cosmos]

yes

[dim moth]

they have an extra meter or two to their explosion radius

[nocturne anvil]

Yeah, the grab is one of the hardest things to dodge. I find it easier to stay really close and dodge late, circling around towards its arm.

[calm aurora]

as a side arm for a melee build, what mark of needler would you use?

[nocturne anvil]

Might seem counterintuitive but that's how I dodge it most of the time.

[neon mango]

am i not going crazy with the burster radius? i thought it felt fucking huge but i thought i was just washed

[dim moth]

honestly I don't use the alt fire at all so uuuuh

*Go with your heart ♥️ *

[dim moth]

no you're not

[honest shale]

Ummm the mkiv alt fire with desperado

[sturdy linden]

Mk2

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446095334362316830/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.04_-_04.29.08.1408.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=69340e3a&is=6932bcba&hm=ae2bc249404ad77f6927ba0dcf4b51cf348465aa8c31b2d9b1147c3652747a26&

[nocturne anvil]

I wasn't even aware there was alternative marks

[dim moth]

poxbursters have a bigger radius

[fickle socket]

is this good or could it be better?

[sturdy linden]

If you see a gunner nest in the distance and empty an alt fire magazine into all of them, the tox from the shots + the pops will kill all of them off

[calm aurora]

do you remember what the blue and orange settings are doing on it?

[dim moth]

remove melee crit for carapace/unyielding

and also slap flesh tearer on that bad boy

[flat mist]

Stam on shivs is way overkill, you don't need another 4% attack speed

[fickle socket]

thx

[honest shale]

I finished the 2k kills penance with desperado with the spreading alt fire toxin of the needle pistol. Very quickly.

[sturdy linden]

For mk2, default = applies 6 stacks of tox per shot, blue = applies 3 stacks per shot but causes enemy to spread their tox stacks to nearby enemies on death

[spice cloud]

Is pickpocket bugged?

[odd jetty]

Does Hyper-Critical disable some of the Toughness talents? It seems when I take Hyper I can never seem to get toughness back

[honest shale]

No. One of our few nodes that works right.

[nocturne anvil]

Yes

[flat mist]

Yes

[spice cloud]

What enemys can i use to replenish?

[nocturne anvil]

It's currently bugged to permanently disable the melee toughness perks

[flat mist]

Stops precision violence from working

[spice cloud]

In psykaniums some specials dont seem to proc

[fickle socket]

speaking of tox, what about this

[dim moth]

not it specifically just instant kills in general

[honest shale]

Just elites.

[dim moth]

haymaker blessing does it too

[flat mist]

Bruh no

[dim moth]

instant kill effects from blessings/talents have been bugged to not trigger on-kill effects for a long time

[spice cloud]

But it says elite or special

[toxic dagger]

chaos spawn has a super weird hurtbox for the grab

[flat mist]

This is not the same thing

[toxic dagger]

you need to dodge into his arm

like dark souls lol

[dim moth]

yeah it's a full circle out to like 20 meters, but specifically only when it would get you killed

[manic wolf]

Ive been playing with toughness talent and Hypercritical for a while now, gonna feel tanky as fuck when they fix it

[flat mist]

Precision violence isn't even an on kill talent lmfao

[toxic dagger]

otherwise it will grab you as it extends very far in front of and to the left of him

[flat mist]

Kuli documents it right here

[honest shale]

Then elites and specials. Unless they borked it overnight it was keeping me at 20% ammo all day yesterday.

[odd jetty]

So it's just best to not take hyper-critical with any build then? I guess I take on +15% ammo to get pickpocket?

[toxic dagger]

hypercritical is karked atm yes

[spice cloud]

Maybe its just bugged in the psykanium

[toxic dagger]

pickpocket also works ingame, can confirm. used it without trouble

[nocturne anvil]

Well, it at least with triggering on kill effects, it makes some lick of sense.
But here it just disables a perk for some reason.

[honest shale]

I hope not. You can make the kill in melee to get the ammo back. You just need to be under 20% of your reserves.

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

Can we pin this?

[noble latch]

yeah pickpocket is working just fine

been using the needle pistol and not picking up any ammo basically

infinite ammo

[spice cloud]

It worked on the reapers and crushers in psykanium but for some reason killing the other elites and specials doesnt proc it

[toxic dagger]

yes we can

[dim moth]

I have also been using needle pistol and not picking up ammo

[toxic dagger]

thanks, good post.

[dim moth]

I melee everything

[neon fern]

i got hypercritical on my dual shiv build and i didn't even noticed it disabled precision violence

[lost bear]

I did wonder why I was eating so much shit on Rashad

[neon fern]

hard to get hit running those

[toxic dagger]

shivs are my fav so far just because of how they make me feel lol

[main trellis]

Well thats a reason not to use that

[honest shale]

Hmm I'll have to check when I get on.

[neon fern]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14756098083010687301/69116845AEAF03F8009F10455831FA8A1B70123F/

aura famer weapon

[vernal sluice]

omagawd auric qp with hivescum is somehow worse than playing solo

[noble latch]

it turns you into a lawnmower just shredding through heretics

theyve been my favorite

[vernal sluice]

all throughout the mission I kept thinking "where is my team why am I the only one killing things"

terrible

[toxic dagger]

I would really like to use the shivs with hypercrit and precision violence at the same time

but they are good with hyperviolence too

on rampage build

[manic wolf]

Hot take... Hotshot is actually a decent blessing on Needle Pistols coz you can peirce more trash enemies and have more of them explode and spread toxin 😄

[toxic dagger]

lawnmower goes brrrt

still doesnt feel as strong as like, bull butcher ogryn

[neon fern]

when they fix precision violence my shiv build will pop off even harder

[toxic dagger]

but at least you have good singletarget dmg

[honest shale]

Hyperviolence and chem toxin on critical. gross noises

[toxic dagger]

lack of cleave and stagger just sorta seems to be this class' melee weakness though.

[manic wolf]

In my experience its kinda pointless to take both as Hyperviolence quite often results in you turning everything into chunks before the tox DoT has any real effect

[toxic dagger]

maybe saw is different

havent tried it much yet

[flat mist]

I want hyper critical to be pickable so I can do gross things with the chainsword. Chainsword still has faulty finesse scaling when cleaving multiple targets. It does way more damage than it should and is insane for proccing HC

[honest shale]

That was my point lol

[livid raven]

saw has maybe the worst cleave

you have to take a blessing and talents to give it some

[sonic pumice]

Decimator and the one with saw icon (can't remember the name)

[flat mist]

Does fine once it has shock and awe and even 50% cleave active

[sonic pumice]

For perks I think flak-maniac

[sturdy linden]

Yeah but once Shock& Awe and Decimator get going, along with Adrenaline and/or the cleave talent, Saw turns you into a human blender

[honest shale]

Finesse blessings for more cleave and mass blessings for more bonesaw.

[flat mist]

Finesse doesn't give cleave

[sonic pumice]

Strength does

[neon fern]

strength does

[flat mist]

Strength does

[livid raven]

played aurics with desperado

[neon fern]

something like that

[sonic pumice]

The council of scums approved, strength good

[livid raven]

an havoc 40 player ragequitted because he was melee scum in the event

the fool

[calm aurora]

H40 players are usually rage quitters.

They cannot survive outside of bubble

[sleek grove]

Best heavy attack weapon for the penenance? heavy sword or devil sword?

[sonic pumice]

Why is that a bad move? Isn't melee good? Or is that o was using flash bangs to give me room to crowbar the heretics?

[toxic dagger]

ye thats what I mean. brrrrrrrt

[livid raven]

because in the event, poxwalkers explode when shoot at

and he couldn't do shit

[flat mist]

You dealt 58 critical hits?

[sturdy linden]

Tbf playing as melee scum when there's a good Desperado scum on the team is kind of an aggravating experience

[livid raven]

maybe it counts only melee

[toxic dagger]

people will learn to hate desperado scum yet

it is like gunlugger ogryn but 10x worse

[neon fern]

playing melee anything in the event with a desperado scum is awful

[sonic pumice]

Ah, people didn't let him melee and he cried I see

[toxic dagger]

and by worse I mean stronger

[livid raven]

because i used ranged 99% of the time

[sturdy linden]

Yeah

[vernal sluice]

way stronger

all gungryn does is run out of ammo and cry

[calm aurora]

But smaller. And without rocks.

[livid raven]

the melee coward fears the ranged chad

[toxic dagger]

pbb gets bottomless ammo in 2026

trust the process

[vernal sluice]

based...

[flat mist]

You don't need a specific weapon. Just use something that feels right

[sturdy linden]

It's not about crying, you literally turn into deadweight without targets to chew through

May as well not play that match

[livid raven]

his fault for playing melee

should have thought about that twice

[sonic pumice]

I just do bodyguard duty, if they will still shoot they will also get blasted and send off the map, ergo I win either case they keep shooting or not

[toxic dagger]

playing melee scum as a bodyguard is not why you picked melee scum though

so i get it lol

[livid raven]

well, we were also with 2 other gunlugger ogryns

[toxic dagger]

i would like to play bodyguard for a desperado scum on my ogryn though.

that sounds like fun

[livid raven]

he was the only melee built dude

[sonic pumice]

True, but I'm a cartel enforcer, I'm supposed to do bodyguard for mob bosses so it's fine

[lost bear]

Melee scum is hilarious fun

[flat mist]

Scoreboard doing scoreboard things

[toxic dagger]

only problem is that its probably impossible to keep up with the desperado's movement

lololol

[sonic pumice]

All for me stims

[woeful trellis]

i've been running shieldgryn bodyguard for a pickpocket needler scum all night

[unreal stirrup]

least shitty fatshark server

[lost bear]

But the melee side needs some kind of gap closer outside of buttscooting

[faint fossil]

game start mutant into 2 bursters

love this game

[toxic dagger]

and, how did it work out?

[woeful trellis]

it's like 90% winrate in havoc, i went from 30 to 38 with basically no effort

[lost bear]

Or at least movement speed

[woeful trellis]

chem tox is so disgustingly strong

[honest shale]

You play Rampage! for that juicy excuse of sucking for 7s, long enough to excuse your downs.

[livid raven]

was this auric or damnation or what

that's some thicc horde and you guys are lv 10 or so

[toxic dagger]

[woeful trellis]

all i do is stand in front and heavy -> push -> heavy -> push, then taunt when twins and bosses show up

then i hold the shield up while chem tox kills everything

[unreal stirrup]

that jusy heresy since im progging

[unreal stirrup]

that jusy heresy since im progging

[lost bear]

You carrying a poison turret

[manic wolf]

Ihateburstersihateburstersihatebursters

[unreal stirrup]

hive scum progression is so ass fr

[livid raven]

yeah

[neon fern]

hive scum after the lobotomy

[livid raven]

you are so dogshit until lv 15-20

[neon fern]

i've never seen this much lag in dt

[toxic dagger]

which ult were they using? desp?

[woeful trellis]

stimm supply

[lost bear]

It gets good after you pick up the triangle of power above the middle keystone

[flat mist]

Use Karnak exploit

[neon fern]

even when i play on us east with 157 ping

[toxic dagger]

what kind of stimm

[unreal stirrup]

wdym by that

[toxic dagger]

or was it the stimm bomb build

[woeful trellis]

idk

[unreal stirrup]

@flat mist

[woeful trellis]

its red smoke when i walk in

and they're running dependency

so not every crate gives the stimm

[raven matrix]

I like breaking bursters legs with my pet rocks 🙂

[flat mist]

Get someone high level to queue into Karnak. Enter hardmode. Get killed by twins. Earn shitloads of xp.

[honest shale]

It's a bottom heavy talent tree like pre-rework zealot. It's ass to level until 24. You'd think fatshark would learn their lesson after spending tons of money fixing this on other classes.

[toxic dagger]

there's a build where you take a shitty 1 point stimm to constantly refresh your supply and you only use it to make mines with the upgrade nodes that make the supply explode and do 5 chem stacks

like a 2nd blitz

[woeful trellis]

it's not this one, the stimm crates are roughly once every 40s or so

[sonic pumice]

Question: what would be if the rocket on being fully empty generates scrap bombs that do less damage but still have significant stagger depending of kills you do? Would that be good/bad?

[toxic dagger]

idk how good it is

but it exists

[unreal stirrup]

yeah i dont have that someone

[woeful trellis]

and most of the time they give me red smoke in my vision but not always

[toxic dagger]

if it's red then that's probably the +strength stimm

[unreal stirrup]

unless youre free oomf

😍

[woeful trellis]

crate is crazy value on blight spreads, and also for twins

[neon fern]

i think twin cheese will get u 4k xp a pop

[flat mist]

😢

[neon fern]

iirc

[woeful trellis]

i got mutant thrown into like 6 mines and took no corruption, if we didn't have scum i woulda insta died there

[livid raven]

would kinda kill the whole reason blinders exist

[flat mist]

@unreal stirrup I would but it's 2am here I need to crash

[unreal stirrup]

damn

[neon fern]

i have nothing bttr to do so i could if u wanna

[flat mist]

If you're still levelling when I wake up it's my day off so I'll be around

[lavish bridge]

Kinda unrelated, has anyone had major inconsistencies with Vultures Dodge not dodging attacks even though it procs ? (also id like to upload a clip to show, but somehow i cant ? is there a role you need to have to upload clips etc.)

[unreal stirrup]

i have like double shift tmr and sunday

[sonic pumice]

Blinders would be much faster, and would take less kills to generate

[toxic dagger]

pog, ty

[unreal stirrup]

sex

[livid raven]

no, what are you trying to dodge

[nocturne anvil]

Low key

[neon fern]

send code or steam

[pearl cliff]

Taste the rainbow with your cartel special, spec a little into everything

[livid raven]

you can't dodge are attacks with it

that includes overheads

[sonic pumice]

Didn't choose drugs, no real Hscum

[unreal stirrup]

hcum

[flat mist]

Wait what, it doesn't stop overheads?

[livid raven]

i don't think it does

[flat mist]

I haven't tried it at all

[lavish bridge]

just melee attacks from renegade melee and also cultist berserker*

[unreal stirrup]

something something aoe

[livid raven]

it puts you into a dodge state but overheads don't give a shit

[woeful trellis]

yeah i got matched with a plasma smoke vet + needler scum duo and pickpocket is enough to give the scum infinite ammo, survivalist + scum 10% aura is enough to top my grenade gauntlet up, and so the vet has basically the entire map's ammo for his plasma gun

[nocturne anvil]

Make the rocket launcher a weapon and design a new blitz.
Fuck the concerns of weird scaling, I want a non-ogryn class do some constant kabooms.

[woeful trellis]

chem grenades are also insane

[lavish bridge]

yea but surely that should not be a thing for non-overhead attacks from low tier enemies right ??

[sonic pumice]

Even if you move from the area when you are dodging sliding? If you get touched by hitbox you ded?

[lavish bridge]

id like to upload sth to show but i think i need a role or something

[woeful trellis]

throw one down and it kills everything that isn't crusher/captain/boss

[livid raven]

i think so but i would have to try it

[odd jetty]

Chem grenades are so good it is hard to use any other grenade.

[dense hollow]

blackouts are good because your other scum have chem grenades most of the time and you don't eat grenade boxes

[nocturne anvil]

I remember the old days where zealot was completely invincible during slide

[sturdy linden]

Hot take maybe but IMO as more people l2play this class and Desperado becomes more meta, people are gonna hate to play with Desperado Scum much more so than they ever did with Smykers / Ogrynheimers / Stealth Zealots

[flat mist]

Kuli didn't mention anything in his guide, but that only means so much until he does a full release

[livid raven]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[sonic pumice]

As melee scum, the flash bangs are worth using for cc to make an opening to cleave elites or as get away card

[kind mist]

Dodge just stops tracking

[flat mist]

Why though?

[kind mist]

if you get hit you still get hit

[terse creek]

That’s if most can get past dying every second like noobs, XD

[sonic pumice]

Chem nades, sadly, are beyond busted

[woeful trellis]

needle scum lets you play bunker style (smoke, bubble, taunt, shout) really slowly because attrition is so much less - more special spawns just means more ammo for the scum

[sturdy linden]

A good Desperado player just shuts down the game for everyone else

[toxic dagger]

well desperado scum is annoying for different reasons than smyker

[livid raven]

actually, i'll just ask him under his guide

[odd jetty]

The problem is leveling a Desperado. Low levels pick Desperado and get nuked so everything thinks they suck.

[flat mist]

That's not how EE works tho

[sonic pumice]

Not as much as a smyker

[vernal sluice]

It's not really comparable

[livid raven]

to make desperado good you only need pickpocket and well desperado imo

[kind mist]

EE doesn't dodge melee

[livid raven]

everything else is a good extra

[sleek grove]

^

[sturdy linden]

To-may-to to-mah-to, you get what I mean though

[livid raven]

like, vulture dodge is fantastic, absolutely

[flat mist]

Right, so bc it doesn't give you iframes melee attacks still hit?

[dense hollow]

i think it achieves this at the level 15-17 mark

[sleek grove]

If you pickup ammo with Desperado you're either playing a low difficulty mission where not enough special/elites spawn, or you're dick

[dense hollow]

if u go for minimum talents to get there

[kind mist]

there are no iframes

[flat mist]

That's what I just said

[sturdy linden]

More. Smyker makes it boring but it doesn't really kill effectively. Desperado kills so much it leaves almost nothing for the team to do

[flat mist]

Why is it so hard to communicate in full sentences.

[steep gyro]

picks up all the ammo

[thorny ginkgo]

emperor palpatine smyker does great

[steep gyro]

if you want the ammo you should just get to it before me smh my head

[vernal sluice]

Desperado spammers will not be any more annoying than trauma psykers that cast rmb at your feet imo

[sturdy linden]

In comparison to Desperado?

[sonic pumice]

Lies, that's the actually terminal dumb smykers, good ones actually kill stuff because everything is either on the ground or cooking with their staffs

[torpid cloud]

why does he take swift endurance instead of ammo jack?

[thorny ginkgo]

oh no 😂

[terse creek]

Or they are a noob/trash, because many will do shit like that even when they have self sustaining capabilities

[sturdy linden]

Idk what to tell you if you think a Smyker is outputting more damage than a competent Desperado

[livid raven]

i love having gunlugger teammates with desperado

you alone make the ammo economy bearable

[toxic dagger]

good question @novel oracle

[sonic pumice]

I'm a rational being, psyker absolutely can put more damage than Hscum

[thorny ginkgo]

inferno staff supremacy

[steep gyro]

is it just me or do stub pistols feel

kind of eh

[dense hollow]

yeah the ogryn singlehandedly picking up all the ammo isn't a problem anymore since no one else needs it (you quickplayed into a match with 3 desperado scum)

[livid raven]

Cole also takes Focused Resolve

which is imo very bad

[torpid cloud]

i ppersonally really like the staff thats lets you charge up a big energy ball

[neon fern]

they're very good with despe

[steep gyro]

void strike

[flat mist]

That's the clue as to why he doesn't take ammo jack btw everyonen

[vernal sluice]

Yeah they kinda fell off for me after I was done levelling hs

[torpid cloud]

yeah that one

[toxic dagger]

not the results i'm seeing h40 players talk about

[low harbor]

yes

[toxic dagger]

desperado uzi appears to clear everyone

[flat mist]

Just maximise desp

[toxic dagger]

including psyker

[terse creek]

Depends the difficulty, if on anything under havoc, chances are 50/50, growing against you the lower you go

[livid raven]

Ammo Jack increases your clip size

not your ammo reserve

[neon fern]

i already hate playing with another desperado uzi so

i've already reached that point

[flat mist]

My b

[torpid cloud]

current leveling dual uzis, should i change maniac to sth else?

[dim moth]

I somehow severely doubt that and I am not eevn running the build that easily clears them

but like

[neon fern]

unyielding

[dim moth]

uzi, brauto, and iag scum is gonna mog the fuck out of psyker damage wise

[terse creek]

I would swap speedload if you plan on using reload stim’s, but that’s just me

[livid raven]

i wouldn't take reload stimm

[sturdy linden]

Play 1 single game on that build and come back

[torpid cloud]

im planning on going full cooldown on my stim and not really anythng else to keep cooldown low

[toxic dagger]

i think you run cd stimm with desperado every time

[livid raven]

yeah

[toxic dagger]

thats also why you take focused resolve

[sonic pumice]

I feel that's because both focus on swarm killing, but since Hascum has ammo to spare it can shoot elites good

[livid raven]

full cd only imo

[toxic dagger]

desperado uptime is EVERYTHING

[low harbor]

brainrot playstyle I hate it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1446520957563965460/hvs_ranged_clutch.mp4?ex=6934491f&is=6932f79f&hm=b31d4855adbcabe99cd1bff651946d00d2226fbdc53c6d78be05e138e6b16d16&

[terse creek]

That works

[flat mist]

Why on earth would anyone run reload stim lmao

[livid raven]

focused resolve is just a 5s discount tho

i am just not sure it's really worth the point

[toxic dagger]

its possibly the single most valuable stat for the build

[sonic pumice]

I have many, but probably still not using the optimal way, it does lots of damage to all swarm and some elites so that's impactful

[torpid cloud]

that vid wont play for me

[toxic dagger]

so i can understand leaning fully into every scrap of CDR you can get

[thorny ginkgo]

so you guys are saying scum could take psyker’s spot for raw killing power?

[terse creek]

Depends the playstyle and what you want, some do it for dps increase or to flex blessings, etc etc

[random shuttle]

I did 20 million damage last game so yes.

[sturdy linden]

Easily, but without the team utility

[random shuttle]

Source: Trust me Bro

[toxic dagger]

psyker occupies two spots

bit of a unique position where it deals crazy aoe dmg but also has dome

scum is fully selfish

[thorny ginkgo]

i’ve been playing melee scum i need to try desp

[sonic pumice]

Considering how little Damage reductions it has, it might be good

[neon fern]

psyker occupies every spots this fat fuck

[nocturne anvil]

So I want to have 80 mobility on a combat knife for the speed and dodges since I plan to use my ranged weapon for literally every encounter, what other stat would I leave off? I'm thinking Damage because that seems to ironically scale the damage down the least.

[dim moth]

my stimm box :(

[kind mist]

pickpocket is causing most of the ammo insanity

[toxic dagger]

i mean desperado scum

[neon fern]

they need to work on the crate

[livid raven]

i use this build personally

[toxic dagger]

yes

[random shuttle]

Despacito Scum

[torpid cloud]

nevermind its playing now
duno what you mean, i love that

[dim moth]

I am excited to see buffs to it because it's prob my favorite ability despite being the worst xd

[sonic pumice]

And then there are the one that share the vaping box for everyone

[dim moth]

I love my tox grenade

[thorny ginkgo]

that’s what you used in the million damage on auric?

[smoky gazelle]

is it a skill issue or does this class just get folded so easily

[livid raven]

yeah

[dim moth]

I love my 20% strength for the whole team

[nocturne anvil]

Both

[lavish bridge]

is there a particular reason why everyone is defaulting to uzis instead of twin pistols though ? from my experience high critrate duelies can deal with armor substantially better than uzis

[torpid cloud]

so people are dodging ammo jack?

[toxic dagger]

very backloaded tree, the best defensive talents are near the bottom

[terse creek]

Stim?

[vernal sluice]

I am running this 🙂

[sonic pumice]

Actual glass canon, you need git gud or die

[livid raven]

it's fine imo, either ammo jack or quick and deadly

doesn't really matter

[terse creek]

That’s certainly…..a build

[toxic dagger]

adrenaline frenzy with desperado?

[nocturne anvil]

I actually really like how Hive Scum is a glass cannon and HAS WEAKNESSES.
PLEASE DONT BUFF THEIR SURVIVABILITY.

[thorny ginkgo]

i’ll wait to play desperado with randoms when there isn’t 4 scum in every game

[torpid cloud]

i keep seeing poeple use swift endurance tho, im tryna figure that out

[dense hollow]

preferable over hypex or klay?

for the t5 cooldown node

[vernal sluice]

Yeah, going for a sort of a hybrid spec here

[livid raven]

i am not fully sure about that

[torpid cloud]

respectable

[sonic pumice]

If Scum is truly the damage monster it seems to be, please oh PLESE OBESEFISH, don't buff it's survival

[nocturne anvil]

Raw CDR over the ranged CDR? Why is that?

[livid raven]

kalma is the safe pick

[vernal sluice]

I originally didn't have pickpocket with this because I never ran out of ammo as is but I decided to get it afterwards

[torpid cloud]

id assume cause theres instances where you cant blast into crowds all the time

[toxic dagger]

huh ok

[livid raven]

mostly against bosses

[nocturne anvil]

NONSENSE

[nocturne anvil]

makes sense

[muted heath]

How much brittleness does the PURPLE POISON ADD FROM SAW

[torpid cloud]

bro started shouting outta nowhere

[sonic pumice]

Feels that to keep desperado you want to do something everyone else ignores; killing small enemies when a boss spawns

[dense hollow]

bosses by themselves aren't a threat so you should always have hordes or other threats around the boss to get the cdr nodes on kill

[low harbor]

it's an incredibly brainrot playstyle I don't enjoy it

[split lagoon]

Is chemical dependency bug? I only got 90/1000 using this build

[sturdy linden]

The rending bonuses from tree and Desperado are more than enough for uzis to tear apart armor, other than Crushers

[terse creek]

Well do i got the solution for you, it just happens to be the big red hexagon in the middle of the tree

[torpid cloud]

dont play it then

[sturdy linden]

For Crushers just use bazooka or let your team handle it if they're capable

[livid raven]

i don't really do that too much, i just use desperado as a burst of damage against the boss or ignore the boss and go and kill all the elites around it usually

someone has to do it

[lavish bridge]

yeaaa except they kinda are the main gatekeepers within harder content sooooo

[sturdy linden]

[thorny ginkgo]

oh trust me that’s what i’m playing rn

[livid raven]

also the rending talent is good but it doesn't handle crushers all that well still

[sturdy linden]

They're ONE mob type. Not even the most deadly leading to team wipes.

[sonic pumice]

My most damage has been keeping desperado running for a long time, because it can clean hordes of ragers and other crap that is what kill runs

[sturdy linden]

Also if you're shooting crushers with pistols you're wasting your time there too

[vernal sluice]

Originally I had slippery customer and regained posture instead of pickpocket and hypercrit but they ended up not really mattering for me since I was usually the last person standing in aurics whenever something would go wrong and the rest of the team would wipe

[zealous ravine]

i expected it to be more fun but desperado doesnt really do anything interesting lol

[lavish bridge]

i mean you can like 2 clip them if you have to, which is better than nothing imo

[unreal stirrup]

bruh i just joined

[lavish bridge]

cus u can get 70-100% crit which is actually suprisingly decent

[sturdy linden]

Or you shoot a rocket at them and wipe a clustered mob

[zealous ravine]

making ammo inf and ignoring ranged attacks is just kinda boring

[sturdy linden]

Or swap to melee and stab them to death

Not that hard either way

[thorny ginkgo]

so much fun, im using rashad with it now

[livid raven]

while true, someone also has to actively damage the boss

[vernal sluice]

I'm also just not comfortable with going fullsend desperado because 90% of other scum pubs also run desperado which means a very high likelyhood of someone wasting their desperado activation and being left vulnerable

[low harbor]

it gets boring within 2 matches

[sonic pumice]

It's just dakka, you running around impervious to gunfire and abusing that to lead a charge against gunners is what make it interesting imo

[zealous ravine]

yeah probably

[random shuttle]

Me on Arby casting CASTIGATOR and ignoring all damage from all sources 😏

[livid raven]

if the boss has its attention on me, i just shoot the boss

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

[zealous ravine]

i also do not like casti yeah

[lavish bridge]

me when veteran smiles around the corner with bomba nades

[sonic pumice]

Yeah, bit that can be done when everything else is full of lead

[lavish bridge]

(that recharge)

[zealous ravine]

dunno the guns feel the same with it on

[sturdy linden]

Exactly. Plenty of ways to deal with Crushers. Autopistols for everything not-Crusher

[thorny ginkgo]

me on psyker with damn near infinite ranged immunity

[zealous ravine]

wish it did anything for the guns themselves

[terse creek]

The avg scum experience: joining into a game where people are dying, XD

[sonic pumice]

Yeah, the biggest improvement is to just hold trigger and stack reload speed to keep shooting

[unreal stirrup]

yeah the worst ult lmao

[zealous ravine]

shoulda done smth silly like bullets bouncing off the walls into enemies or smth lmao

[random shuttle]

worst huh

[zealous ravine]

casti is really eh

[sonic pumice]

It's bad because its quite passive, when the aquila is a damage amp and the charge is a cc Factory

[vernal sluice]

casti is really boring

[low harbor]

castrated stance is alr it's just not as good as BtL

[vernal sluice]

very boring ult for an already incredibly boring class

[random shuttle]

Well

[zealous ravine]

i only really use bash ability on arby for a reason

[random shuttle]

I am Krubercharge stan

[thorny ginkgo]

btl with forecful and ASM>>

[random shuttle]

so I agree on that account

[zealous ravine]

cause casti is very eepy

[unreal stirrup]

man what with player in heresy being massive ass

[vernal sluice]

more like gleeber stance am I right

[unreal stirrup]

i want to go bac kto havoc

[livid raven]

i think castigator should also push enemies you make contact with around

[sonic pumice]

To buff dogo damage so it can eat the gunners

[livid raven]

like ogryn's dodges

[unreal stirrup]

this is worse than when i was progging arby

[vernal sluice]

local man discovers darktide has casual players

[dense hollow]

i dont think i touched arby again after getting level 30 and then getting some auric games with them

im having a lot more fun with this class

[random shuttle]

Give it 2-3 weeks

and we gonna be back to 5000 dedicated no lives ❤️

[sturdy linden]

I levelled using melee scum because you can't rely on your teammates to survive

[split lagoon]

Guys, is Chemical Dependency bug?

[livid raven]

Arby is fun but other than the dog (which i don't even run), it's just

vanilla?

[nocturne anvil]

I find the stub pistols the most dynamic ranged weapon. It forces rhythm and feels great.

[vernal sluice]

I did every arby penance in record time except the do 100 missions one, I got to 80 and couldn't bear to play anymore

[fast gust]

Fellow scummers we have found a tester in the wilds

[kind mist]

Crowbar isn't the best weapon but it does a fantastic job of can-opening crushers that you can't shoot down.

[sonic pumice]

Am I among those sah?

[zealous ravine]

i hope they make ranged weps more like stub pistols they've gotten a bit closer to how interesting melee is in this game

[terse creek]

You and me both man, too many horrible players plaguing the normal difficulties

[torpid cloud]

using its ability to snipe a sniper cross map

[random shuttle]

I don't know are you?

[vernal sluice]

yayyy I can't wait to get shittalked for my loadout and talent choices again 😁

[thorny ginkgo]

i want to say rashad is

[dim moth]

yeah

[sonic pumice]

Me ready to krump, Sah

[random shuttle]

I do like Crowby has that stunlock on demand

just bully a fucker

[flat mist]

This still getting propagated rip

[mossy estuary]

this class is very bad ...

[thorny ginkgo]

i agree, should've been admech or space marine

[random shuttle]

Who told you that? 😄

[muted heath]

2.5% brittleness up to 15 stacks for bone saw purple poison. Additively stacks and stacks with penetrating flame.

[turbid fulcrum]

Bad scum, very bad

[sonic pumice]

The special is good to kill crushers, but it swings feel quite good when you are swinging with your buffs

[livid raven]

the amount of BS going around on reddit of people who haven't even read the talents' description is insane

[dense hollow]

i still ended up taking off nimble so i don't get used to the extra dodge duration for when i play anyone else without it

[random shuttle]

VIBETIDE always wins against Facttide in a short run.

[echo python]

yeah they're criminals it's kinda in the name

😈

[torpid cloud]

on the infantry autogun, do people run vraks?

[random shuttle]

Yes

I do

it fucks

Very Big Fuckage.

[torpid cloud]

i like my uzi but wanna try sth else

[rustic zinc]

Hey hivescum hivemind: what's the specific talent actually causing those knockback explosions on weakspot hit. Is it Vulture's?

[kind mist]

I still call it the columbo

[echo python]

I feel like marksman's focus vet benefit a bit more from all the IAGs, but fuck it gun go fast

[sturdy linden]

Heard Graia Brauto is quite insane