hivescum-class

[novel quest]

are ya taking scum lvling slow? I wish I were that patient. I went straight for twins suicide rush the second I discovered its existence halfway into leveling

[hot moth]

people aren't using scum-unique weapons beacuse they're crafting 500 power weapons from their already max-mastery cross-class weapons

[stray meteor]

I'm trying to build a good autopistol build, dont know which melee to pair with it tho

[high gull]

Shivs imo

[crude matrix]

u say that as if it's not trivial to get mastery

[sinful matrix]

Combat Axe for raw killing power

Shivs for mobility

[crude matrix]

bro just sac greens it's not that hard

[novel quest]

everyone is mainly on Shivs

[thorn prawn]

a bit underwhelming

[hot moth]

most people don't know a bout it or are overly stingy

[rare idol]

Altho if I get rampage + other stuff stacking right sometimes the bonesaw goes off and I start hacking thru maulers like they aren’t there

[novel quest]

I've been on bone saw and crowbar

I really like the crowbar

[kind zodiac]

would it kill the devs to give stripped down to the dual weapons on the hive scum

[novel quest]

it's perfect for melee dedicated builds

[sinful matrix]

When you buy 150 greys to fish for a perfect one, level them up to green to sacrifice for mastery

[high gull]

Love the shivs with rampage

[hot moth]

i've been enjoying Brauto with toughness blessing

[high gull]

Become a walking blender

[thorn prawn]

Bonesaw's Heavy1 is deceptively strong due to the double hit

[sinful matrix]

That's what I do anyway

[hot moth]

you get a silly amount of toughness from it even without despacito to facetrade with ranged

[sinful matrix]

along with the game-exp of using weapons giving mastery exp its not too bad

[rare idol]

It’s really good but I want to make bonesaw work because I like the mode switch and moveset complexity

[hot moth]

DAPs is more dps but the ability to facetrade with ranged is too good for me to pass up

[novel quest]

it's easy to make work if I'm being honest

[hot moth]

there is no complexity lol

[rare idol]

Yep, it’s only a few mil in spend so that’s what I did

[hot moth]

light 1 into heavy 2

Heavy 1 into light 2

that's all the combos you need to know

just like claw

[patent dock]

I mean some of the scum weapons are meh, but the Crowbar is dope, Shivs are amazing (personally hate the moveset), the saw…is the saw.

Then the needle pistol is great for that big man who needs to die.

Main problem is some skill really don’t lend well to some weapons and other skills

[rare idol]

Mode switch? I like it better than crowbar which had really nothing

[novel quest]

I hope they don't nerf needler too hard if they DO nerf it

[rare idol]

Needler doesn’t need nerf imo

[novel quest]

it's perfect for melee

[rare idol]

It do be

Stripped down speedster needler is great

[sinful matrix]

It could probably stand to have its carapace modifier nuked on the DoT

but other than that, needler is fine

[hot moth]

mode switch is suboptimal even against crushers EXCEPT when you can do it preemptively against a large stack of them

otherwise you're literally better off just throwing an extra heavy 1 in that timeframe

on yellow tox

[novel quest]

yea but other than that I think it's fine honestly

[kind zodiac]

stripped down on the dual autopistols would be a wet dream

[patent dock]

Me still running the revolver over the needler because why wait for a DoT when I can just take his head off with my handcannon

[sinful matrix]

its more that you don't need to aim with the needler

[rare idol]

I pop a few aoe needles at them and then use it so I get best of both. I tried going crits with perma purple for tox too but it wasn’t great sadly. Purple is good on bosses tho

[abstract lichen]

Does hyper crit work with hyper violence

[sinful matrix]

dot doesn't care about precision

[hot moth]

now it does feel nice to be on purple tox when your team is working through a huge patrol of crushers but it's hardly something you should be fiddling with

[sinful matrix]

You can just aim center mass which makes it infinitely easier to use

[abstract lichen]

Or do they override each other

[high gull]

Being able to just delete bunched up enemies is a good reason to run needler

[rare idol]

In an all scum group I’m usually the sole guy who can handle them sadly 😂

[hot moth]

yeah the needler can delete hyperconcentration

which is nuts given everything else it already does

[novel quest]

also you literally do not need to level the needler

it does great damage minute 1 of getting it

[abstract lichen]

Stripped down though

[novel quest]

that's mastery

the most you need to do is take it to yellow and master it

[hot moth]

ammo helps

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, more ammo is never a bad thing

especially with the terrible drop rates of ammo in havoc

Hell, even in aurics with a normal team it can be annoying

[hot moth]

ehhhhh pickpocket, I was thinking more about the magsize

if you took a 0 mastery grey needler it might have an ammo rating of like

2

[sinful matrix]

I think it's a good assumption that pickpocket is going to catch a big nerf at some point

[patent dock]

I mean I can do the same thing with Rampage, run in turn it to soup, plus I don’t run needler because of the conflict with my Chem Blinders.

Needler DoT doesn’t count to my grenade refills and I want as many blinders as I can get

[sinful matrix]

so playing with that in mind is important(in my opinion)

[hot moth]

but yeah other than ammo stat for magsize needler just works

i didn't even take carapace on it

[novel quest]

what is going to get nerfed first I wonder

[hot moth]

just unyielding+reload speed LOL

[novel quest]

pickpocket fs

dependency maybe

[sinful matrix]

Desperado, Pickpocket are the two big ones

[rare idol]

Idk that the class will get nerfs

[sinful matrix]

Both are blatantly overpowered in a really bad way

[rare idol]

It’ll depend on what pick rate looks like

[novel quest]

eh there's always some tuning that needs to be done post launch

they did this with arbites

[worn oar]

are any chainaxes good at hordeclear?

[patent dock]

Most definitely, that node alone keeps this class topped up.

Hell I expect Hyper Critical and Violence to catch them too, because being able to just occasionally one-shot a crusher because you over killed some groaner is so funny

[novel quest]

yeah can't you put up stupid numbers and be effectively immortal in like AM and havoc

[patent dock]

Havoc not sure Rotten Armor and Tox Gas rips Scum apart because once you bottom out on toughness and “just a scratch” turns off you explode

[dense hollow]

rotten armor is probably okay

[high gull]

Not to sound like an enormous asshole

But have any of you even tried havoc 40 with scum yet?

Like truly?

[versed spruce]

In my mind

And I think that is just as valid

[high gull]

Cause there's whole ass people who've played havoc 40 on scum for months that can give you reliable feedback

[versed spruce]

[high gull]

Like @novel oracle

[sinful matrix]

I was gonna say

I think it's just Cole that's pushing Havocs so far with Scumm

[high gull]

@high pond

@tepid cosmos

[rare idol]

I agree, but I think the performance isnt as over the top as arbie was. Honestly the only build that I think needs fiddling is desperado because it’s annoying, the others haven’t been that impressive relative to what other classes can do

[high gull]

We have people who've literally been testing havoc with this class

[versed spruce]

Brother is summoning the entire council

[rare idol]

Nah I’ve been doing the event

[vast surge]

“Do you get to the cloud district very often?” Type question

[rare idol]

I also doubt I will get a havoc rn with scum 😂

[dense hollow]

i got progress when my dependacy stacks dropped

and i forgot to use a stim

[rustic axle]

shiv dump stat's first target right

[muted heath]

Wait a second. This is only useful on maulers and flak berserkz if and only if the calculation is done before armor is accounted for. Otherwise it is useless because it is saying is 2x greater than the current health. If that is the case then you already kill the target. Has someone tested this the math to see if it ignores how armor effects damage?

[hot moth]

No this is basically "your crits do double damage"

This include crit-cleaves

if a crit would leave a target at <50% of the hp before you hit, it kills your target instead

it's incredible with bonesaw as the saw dots weaken a ton of the trash

[patent dock]

Hyper Critical is great, take Hyper Critical

[rustic axle]

and for autopistols would you dump collateral or mobility

[vivid crystal]

collat

if you're a real one :)))

[keen prairie]

Thought Hyper Critical was bad until I remembered scab ragers and maulers existed. My dual pistol setup has never felt better

[novel quest]

I prefer dumping mobility

I think both are interchangeable tho afaik

[rustic axle]

honestly considering how desperado lets you use the autopistols to turn hordes into mounts of flesh i'd guess mobility would be the dump

[novel quest]

like

[muted heath]

Say the enemy has a max health of 10 and is at 5 health and I do one critical damage to it. Based on that description of the node it would not trigger and instant kill

[hot moth]

yes

that is correct

Max health is irrelevant

[muted heath]

so I don't get how it doubles crit damage.

[novel quest]

it's a fast enough class, I'd say dump mobility

[keen prairie]

Dual stubbeds go great on it too for elites and hordes

[hot moth]

Enemy has 10 HP, if your crit does at least 5 damage the perk "doubles" your crit and instakills target

[rustic axle]

other than that ive been peeved that i havent been able to find a shiv with the first target dump

[hot moth]

A crit that would normally leave your target at <50% of its hp before you hit it, instakills it instead

[keen prairie]

There any good perks for toughness? I feel like the regen is so slow a lot of the time not counting stims

[vivid crystal]

so basically:

if enemy health = 10
crit dmg = 6
6x2 = 12
enemy dies cause 10 is less than 12

[muted heath]

I see what is wrong. I am reading it as though the node reads health before the hit and not after.

[hot moth]

in reality "crits do double damage if the double damage would cause it to kill target" has a lot of situations where this is misleading but you can think of it as this

[rustic axle]

at this point im glad i crawled far enough to finally get enhanced desperado so my effectiveness should triple for the next half of the grind

[vivid crystal]

the armored enemies are best application of this if you're doing a slow shooting, heavy damage build i feel

[patent dock]

Lmao the class is designed a glass cannon, I can not stress enough; Precision Violence, and Just a Scratch and hope you can dodge with the best of them

[vivid crystal]

if you run something that can just melt them it's not too useful

[rustic axle]

i got a godroll double barrel on my hive scum im tempted to make a triple barrel build

it indeed can do that with Ammo Jack

would it be on level with autopistols lol

[keen prairie]

Just gonna run desperado and stims with cooldown to abuse range immunity

[zenith fern]

There's not much of toughness damage reduction on hive scum so you have to rely on toughness regain buffs, dodges and movement stuff

[hot moth]

Take of the day: I don't think this node is necessary with Despacito, it's not enough toughness to trade into gunners with and spraying into melee horde is very often better done swinging melee and getting melee kill toughness

[vivid crystal]

imo no

at least with my current build

autos melt everything besides armor which only takes slightly longer

[rustic axle]

would it be useful on havoc?

[vivid crystal]

the rending with despo makes sure of that

[rustic axle]

the triple barrel

i mean it's the triple barrel lol

[vivid crystal]

probably not cause db sucks kinda

[hot moth]

DB simply has too much downtime to be anything other than a meme gun

it's very funny

you can do aurics with it

[vivid crystal]

even with speedloader db just doesn't have many use cases

[rustic axle]

i have a feeling it's a sleeper pick

but i'll experiment once i get my grind done

[vivid crystal]

it doesn't excel at boss dmg like bolter, shoots too slow to melt gunner patrols, does nothing to armor, i just dont know what it's for lmao

[rustic axle]

besides i have half a feeling somebody'll just go "Oh but if you wanna use a shotgun, why not use the Combat Shotgun?" and i'll be dempted to hit them in the face

combat shotgun's fucking boring

[patent dock]

Do your best there is little to no toughness regan on the class

[lethal quartz]

I am having a chuckle at all the TS/Havoc Forged titles I see get pasted with this class

[astral coral]

I cant decide which of these 3 talents I should drop, Tis but a Scratch, Adrenaline unbound, Hyper-Critical

[cedar cairn]

That shit hits like a cough and takes too long to reload

[vivid crystal]

anything but tis but a scratch

insane talent

[high gull]

Arby and zealot plebs getting skill diff'd and want the class to be a frontline tank

It's a wild sight

[astral coral]

yea but adrenaline unbound is passive toughness regen?

is it that strong?

[vivid crystal]

if you can move your character model even kinda well it's ridiculous at keeping you alive vs guns

[lethal quartz]

trying to play a ninja like a frontline warrior/knight in a nutshell

[keen prairie]

I’m an ogryn and vet player this classes learning curve was a bit of a pain

[patent dock]

Never drop Tis a Scratch never

[astral coral]

ok

[vivid crystal]

30% toughness from a single shooter shot is the most highway robbery talent i've ever seen

[high gull]

Me surviving off a dart gun and packaged meth

[vivid crystal]

plus it's easy to get

[rustic axle]

im kinda sad the crowbar's the underperforming outlier, i almost never see it used

on melee rampage builds it's a variation of the bonesaw being used

[patent dock]

Same but play it like Stealth Vet, keep moving and go for openings when possible

[frigid basalt]

I don't like the blessings on it

[abstract lichen]

Do you take stamina attack speed on bonesaw

It's still a little too slow

[frigid basalt]

and the swapping to the crowbar part is clunky

[high gull]

You want as much cleave as possible my guy

[rustic axle]

its the same mechanic as the bonesaw so thats bullshit

[abstract lichen]

How is that related to the attack speed talent

[frigid basalt]

Bonesaw still gets good cleave though

[rustic axle]

whatever if it can work i'll prove it

[frigid basalt]

crowbar doesn't when you swap

[stray meteor]

What does cleave do again?

[vivid crystal]

hit more enemies

[frigid basalt]

Lets you hit through more guys

[vivid crystal]

at once

[stray meteor]

Ah ok

[frigid basalt]

low cleave means your swing will maybe stop at the 1st guy

[rustic axle]

on the crowbar?

Can Opener sounds pretty good to me

[frigid basalt]

high cleave means you can now swing through like 4 guys

[high gull]

I'm just letting you know

[frigid basalt]

(not actual numbers I"m just using as an example)

[abstract lichen]

I know

[high gull]

That swing speed don't mean shit if it stops at a single target

[abstract lichen]

I'm just asking if the stamina attack speed talent is good

[patent dock]

Personally hate the bonesaw, crowbar is the way…but then you remember the Axes exist and realize well damn

[abstract lichen]

I already set up with s&a and deci

[rustic axle]

i'll be honest, crowbar with can opener and unstoppable force might be my picks

[flat mist]

I do

[vivid crystal]

yes it is

[flat mist]

It's so fucking good gui

[vivid crystal]

on any melee tbh

just as long as that's the focus of your build

[abstract lichen]

I'm not sure if hyper violent or the other one is anti synergy with bonesaw?

[vivid crystal]

no reason to take otherwise

[rustic axle]

idk how i can get easy stagger to proc Oppurtunist, Bash and Take a Swing is a maybe(?), All or Nothing's something i guess?

[patent dock]

Can Opener is great, just gotta be quick on the swaps and who you target

[abstract lichen]

Seperate question

[frigid basalt]

Problem is that the secondary mode is single target

[flat mist]

You get like 20% attack speed even if you only run one stam curio

[frigid basalt]

and the bonesaw isn't

[flint granite]

Are poxbursters broken right now or something? I swear to god they weren't this inconsistent last week

[vivid crystal]

a bit yea

sometimes they dont jump right

[frigid basalt]

and you don't need to use the a blessing slot for it

[patent dock]

Yes

[rustic axle]

oh my god it's like that's the point, it's a single target penetrating mode to target chunkier enemies

the regular mode is meant for everything else!!!!

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frigid basalt]

I mean you're asking why people dont' use the crowbar

And I'm explaining

[rustic axle]

that's stupid

[frigid basalt]

I'm not sure it is

bonesaw hits multiple people while stacking brittleness

crowbar hits 1

[vivid crystal]

well people dont use the crowbar cause it sucks lmao

compared to the saw at least

but they do two very different things

[flat mist]

Do you mean hyper critical? I mean... dead enemies are better than toxified ones but yeah some anti synergy with your tox talents (and with blackout). You can't run hyper critical on melee builds atm anyway. It completely stops precision violence from working.

[signal swallow]

Crowbar slow i like stabby

[bronze glade]

yeah idk what they were doing with crowbar

[inner void]

They seem to be hopping really early... its quite annoying

[green granite]

i love the shivs, but the bonesaw more reliably feeds into your abilities that want you to kill enemies effected by chen toxins

[frigid basalt]

yeah shives are kinda

just worse knives?

or about the same

[vivid crystal]

sorta

they attack faster

but less rending

[manic wolf]

Nah, Shivs are a sidegrade to knives

[signal swallow]

Shivs fun

[patent dock]

Crowbar is a thing, in comparison to the saw yes; the saw is definitely better because doing more brittleness to more enemies is far more important. But the weapon does have it’s uses for example stagger-locking a plague orgryn to death

[inner void]

I love love love that you can throw them

[frigid basalt]

you can grab coated weapons for them which makes them nice

so they apply toxin

[vivid crystal]

knife will do more single target dmg by a landslide

[frigid basalt]

and it's easier than grabbing the bleed talent on vet

[manic wolf]

Can't throw the knife at annoying snipers on the other side of the map tho

[frigid basalt]

so in theory most of the time you just get free chem toxin procs on the shivs

[vivid crystal]

true that

[frigid basalt]

since that node is so convenient

[inner void]

tbf throwing Shiv at distant enemies is really finicky

[vivid crystal]

yea shivs can kinda just spam chems

shiv throw at longer range has a drop off at a certain point

[manic wolf]

It can be yeah, but its fun to pull off

[inner void]

The whole trajectory is an arc

[vivid crystal]

yea i still haven't gotten the arc down yet

[rustic axle]

what the crowbar actually can stagger easy?

[frigid basalt]

it's an arc but it's very flat for the first few meters

[vivid crystal]

the alt yea

you can pretty much infinitely pull crushers down

[bronze glade]

one at a time

at least

[manic wolf]

Statistically the knife probably is better, but its much less fun and doesnt have the utility bonus of free DoT procs and a ranged attack

[rustic axle]

oh shit then can opener/oppurtunist would actually go hard

[frigid basalt]

reminds me of the crowbill hoenstly

[inner void]

Honestly if they make the distance a bit less weak it'll be really fun

[frigid basalt]

but since it's not on a stick it's less utility

[manic wolf]

Also I feel like the cleave is better on Shivs, which is useful

[frigid basalt]

wait, no, not the crowbill

the thing saltzspire got in a DLC

[rustic axle]

yeah the light attacks plus the block attack feels great for horde clearing

[inner void]

feels the same to me, I think the cleave comes from the talents

[vast surge]

Billhook

[rustic axle]

lemme guess, the flail

[vivid crystal]

the cleave is about the same

shivs just horde clear faster

[inner void]

the block side-sweep is really nice

[vast surge]

I like the crowbar

[rustic axle]

like tf else did anyone else the flail for besides the infinitely chained heavy attack that can insta-cheese hordes

[abstract lichen]

Coghammer

[tepid ibex]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[manic wolf]

I dont think so, I dont have either talent on my shiv build, idk the stats, but from feel, the shivs perform better when trash clearing (anecdotal evidence at this point)

[frigid basalt]

flail was basegame

[vast surge]

Quite frankly I think all the new weapons are solid

[inner void]

I really disliked the crowbar for some reason...
I think it's more to do with the VFX/sound design than anything else

[rustic axle]

only other things that did as well as the flail was the two-handed hammer and the rapier imo lmao

[frigid basalt]

the BILLhook

[manic wolf]

Yeah, they all have their niche for sure

[abstract lichen]

If scum gets a proper 2H, what would it be

[frigid basalt]

crowbar reminds me of the billhook but since it's not on a stick it's got less utility

[abstract lichen]

Rocksaw

[tepid ibex]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vast surge]

DN probably

[inner void]

the "soft" side of the crowbar feels really ineffective for some reason

[abstract lichen]

DN?

[frigid basalt]

I do wish htey would make the special just straight up using the sharp end

[vast surge]

HAHAHA DEEZ NUTS

[frigid basalt]

instead of it being a mode switch

[manic wolf]

How did you fall for that

[frigid basalt]

and you can hold it to charge the damage

[inner void]

the mode switch takes too long also

[abstract lichen]

[vast surge]

THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK

[abstract lichen]

Should not have went near the cage

[vast surge]

My enclosure is safe for all

[frigid basalt]

the billhook on saltzpyre was so fluent

you use alt to stagger em then just smack em with a heavy downward

crowbar COULD be that

maybe a new mk idk

[vast surge]

Tell me I’m pretty

[manic wolf]

I do wish you could swap more quickly and have it be fluid with the rest of the moveset, would make it much better

[frigid basalt]

frankenstein's monster

[flat mist]

@abstract lichen just confirming you saw this. Don't run hyper critical on melee builds atm.

[robust minnow]

Quick question: does Gunslinger proc off of Veterans' Survivalist aura?

[patent dock]

Yes you can, yank them towards you and stagger them heavy

[hot nexus]

Nope

Need to pick up ammo directly for GS

[signal swallow]

you look like someone but i cant think of who

[robust minnow]

ok ty

[zealous basin]

been playing crack dealer build and its kinda underwhelming also sometimes when i go to place it it just doesnt which is unfortunate but it does have one niche having a strong stim on a 30-40 second stim u can give to everyone is pretty decent

[flat mist]

It just doesn't what

[worn gull]

ah heck I just remembered the total war warhammer DLC came out today, my hive scum post 30 journey gotta wait for the weekend

[signal swallow]

robbie rotten if he was bald

[zealous basin]

place

[flat mist]

BRO DID U SEE THEY ANNOUNCRD NAGASH DLC

[zealous basin]

oh

[worn gull]

[flat mist]

Does it consume the cooldown?

[robust minnow]

Also does "dodge recovery speed" mean itr shortens the time between dodges?

[zealous basin]

it doesnt but it got me killed twice

[robust minnow]

Wait nvm

[flat mist]

Time to recover max dodges

[worn gull]

I'm just as excited for the narrative end times campaign supercrisis they talked about

[robust minnow]

Yep I realized that after writing it.

[flat mist]

Which is very good

[zealous basin]

i will go to place it and it will bug out in my hand

[flint granite]

finally, end times but good

[worn gull]

Gonna write my own end times, it'll be better. Because Grimgor is actually gonna kick Archaon in the balls this time.

[flat mist]

Hell yeah man! I'm just hoping we get thanqol too. Looks like we'll be getting a bunch of lords for bamp counts in general though so that's sick.

I wonder if nagash will be his own race

[zealous basin]

im running keystoneless

on the support build

[high gull]

Report your findings

[zealous basin]

I like it but I might take the middle one

its really nice cuz i can bring a lot of the toxin skills and surv skills

[flat mist]

Drop the defence and take more cooldown

[zealous basin]

cant

oh

nvm

[flat mist]

And your issue with placing it might have a mod fix. If you're interested I'll find the one

[zealous basin]

ty

bb

I forgot rs is 5

[warped laurel]

ok so the dump stat for the new hs weapons is all mobility right?

[zealous basin]

and i was running it and crit and defense earlier

or not defense cd

[flat mist]

You want full cooldown for the team

[dapper ledge]

What do you guys think is going to be the actual best melee weapon? Are the axes viable since they don't have great crusher counters with range?

[worn gull]

When I was doing support drugs I went with the +20%str +20%spd option and it felt like it made a big difference. Wasn't up as often as I'd like unless there was a poxwalker horde around to charge up on though

[zealous basin]

what mod

I was getting it before i had mods too

[inner void]

is there a mod that can tell me when I've managed to perfect block or dodge?

[zealous basin]

uh you wont get hit obv

(idk)

this isnt the place to ask

though

[inner void]

well sometimes just not being in range means not getting hit, but isn't a dodge

[zealous basin]

look for an invite to the mod discord

[inner void]

I'm probably already in it, but I can't spot it because I'm in too many servers

[zealous basin]

if u do a "succesful dodge" and u have buffs related to it they will show up you can use a mod to make them more central

[tender marten]

there's no indicator for perfect block but if your perfect block talent pops up at the bottom then you did one

as far as dodging goes there is a sound indicator

its like a really loud woosh

[zealous basin]

hope this helps

[inner void]

yeah it's just not easy to look down there when in combat, that's all

[zealous basin]

crosshair ui

and customizable hud

[zealous sky]

Stim Supply absolutely has to trigger Stim Dependency

[zealous basin]

ps is broken rn u need to find a fix

[zealous sky]

Cause what's even the point of having Stim Supply when you don't have a stim on you? To clear corruption? Bruh

[inner void]

Oh hey. That would work

[rigid dock]

this class is super fun but theres so many weird anti-synergies, paritcularly in the chem/toxin side of things

[hot moth]

There is no perfect dodge, a dodge is a dodge

[zealous basin]

yeah

[hot moth]

Perfect block, if you responded to the WOOOSH.wav SFX, that's within the perfect block window

or you can simply push into attacks and get a block that way

Perfect block trigger is VERY common, way more than people think

[inner void]

I know there's no perfect dodge 🙃

I probably perfect block more than I realise, it's just hard to tell which thing has triggered as I have my UI quite small

a better sound might work

[sturdy linden]

found it on reddit

funny

[zealous basin]

reddit moment

lol

[zealous sky]

Also "once a stimm becomes available to use (collected or otherwise)" - wtf, how can HS collect stims?

[abstract lichen]

Imagine if you could press one button and be immune to all ranged damage

Oh wait

[zealous basin]

I think the class is op when ur good at the game

[abstract lichen]

Use it without CS

[rare stirrup]

By not picking anything in the stim tree

[rigid dock]

The best use of the trait that gives tox stacks on blitz is the fastball grenade by far but then kills from the toxin dont count towards regenerating the grenade, getting cdr on your stimm does nothing for you if you use the crate because the important cooldown for the crate is actually the stimm cooldown, using the crate to stimm everyone in your team doesnt count as using a stimm for the keystone that wants you to focus on stimm use, why does this class have so much weird antisynergies

fun as fuck though

[zealous sky]

Eh, no one is going to play that way

[abstract lichen]

That's me

[rare stirrup]

Right now probably not (everybody is trying the new thing), but later probably someone will

[abstract lichen]

If there are gonna be 4 scums everywhere all the floor stims are mine

[flat mist]

Just at the shops will check shortly

[rare idol]

i see so the issue with bonesaw was that i just used the bad right side keystone and traits

i used coles build and bonesaw do fine

and thats sort of my issue with the class ig

the fun thematic right side stuff is just ass lmao

[inner void]

or any number of other triggers like that

[zealous sky]

So you have to use your stims to keep up the stim dependency so you get cooldown reduction on using a stimm supply without your stim, that's a lot of hoops for literally nothing

[abstract lichen]

Is the build pinned?

[flat mist]

I was gonna say just use better buff management to create an icon for it

Put that icon seperate from your other buffs

[rare idol]

yeh

[inner void]

I don't see the UI at all when I'm in combat tbh

[zealous sky]

stimm supply is just a lame frag grenade at this point

[flat mist]

That's why I put important buffs in the middle of my screen

[grave venture]

Isn't any dodge that prevents taking damage a successful dodge

[rigid dock]

the stim icon UI is also bad, it needs to be significantly more highlighted when its off cd

[dull dagger]

Then it's being used wrong

[inner void]

You'd think that, wouldn't you.

[grave venture]

Whats that supposed to mean?

[flat mist]

There's like 4 new mods for that

[rare stirrup]

The entire vanilla UI is pretty bad

I pity console peasants

[abstract lichen]

Oh they are a toughness curio believer

[spark bough]

For the Bone Saw, which blessing is preferred since ive tried Decimator & Decapitator, Decimator seems good overall but suffers if you miss even one swing whilst Decapitator kind of carries on for a bit and stays consistent.

[abstract lichen]

Or are they just placeholders

[inner void]

Well, I mean it's not like that.
The attack has to be aimed at you, and you have to be in range of the attack, and if you dodge too early - that doesn't count

[zealous sky]

if you want to stack stimm dependency - no, that's literally the whole use

[grave venture]

Health curio is top tier

[abstract lichen]

I run all hp

Idk if I should be running toughness

[rigid dock]

they havent changed the ui at all because its just the stim ui for all the other classes which makes sense FOR THEM because its a consumable that disappears on use, its actually lazy imho

[flat mist]

Stop ignoring me 🙁

[dull dagger]

Ah. I didn't see that was what was being discussed

[grave venture]

So if you don't hit the i frames, but the dodge prevented you from getting hit, that doesnt count

[abstract lichen]

Is toughness real

[rare stirrup]

Fatshark? Lazy? Nooooooo. Wow. I did not expect that

[abstract lichen]

[grave venture]

I mean they have a bar to track the cooldown at least, but you can BARELY see the damn thing

[rigid dock]

fair, but this seems egregious even for overweightfish

[zealous basin]

5 shots of needle pistol plus brittle saw has good ttk but not the same as just shooting it more

[inner void]

This is why left-right dodges are better than back-dodges for triggering blessings

[grave venture]

People dodge backwards?

[flat mist]

People don't?

[zealous basin]

im talking about crushers specifically forgot to specify

[inner void]

Depends. If trying to get somewhere else, totally

[zealous sky]

I dodge wherever I move at the time

[rigid dock]

yeah im not arguing for it to be neon sign levels of visible, just have the outline of the icon shine when available at least instead of just being slightly less translucent than when its on cd

[inner void]

I wouldn't dodge a crusher/mauler backwards though

[grave venture]

Exactly

[inner void]

unless I'm trapped and have no choice (I'll probably still get hit)

[grave venture]

Go ahead, enter the sweet spot for that overhead

[amber sundial]

It only shines for a second once it refreshes, then never again

[inner void]

tbf I think Hive Scum could dodge backwards from a Crusher with knives lol

[amber sundial]

Like they should just keep it shining

[zealous basin]

I do to make space sometimes if theres an open area of space and im kiting a horde thats it

[hallow osprey]

Is this good? I don't know what people talk about with dump stats and stuff
Almost everything being able to be upgraded to 80 percent is great, right?

[grave venture]

Should draw the outline blue when its ready

[zealous basin]

or if theres not enough room to dodge side

ie corridor

[grave venture]

Fair

[bronze glade]

personally i would dump mob

but depends on how you plan to build desperado

[inner void]

The dump stat in that case would be Collateral at 60%

[novel quest]

not bad? but I'd say mobility should be 60%

[flat mist]

Unga bunga middle.of screen

[vast surge]

Honestly? I think bone saw is my least favorite of the new weapons

Just feels …. Clunky to me

[bronze glade]

duality of man

[novel quest]

it's my 3rd favorite

[rigid dock]

just give us something man, i'm not trying to mentally track a 60ish second cd that fluctuates based on if im running a talent that procs cdr on poisoned kill in close range on a tuesday if the weather is right, especially when theres a crusher train approaching

[grave venture]

It feels schmeaty

[sinful matrix]

Man I can't with these all hivescum teams :(

[inner void]

I'm explaining that the 60% is the dump stat on that specific object

[sinful matrix]

fatshark please redo the whole class

[grave venture]

When you get a ton of cleave on it and just sweep through a crowd of poxwalkers, its so satisfying

[sinful matrix]

so it's not 100% worthless in the community's hands

[flat mist]

This stimm icon turns red and has a timer after use

[bronze glade]

and the other guy is saying mob is the dump stat

[grave venture]

Don't worry, nobody will play it in a few weeks anyways

[amber sundial]

farshark just rework the class into a new crate you can grab like ammo and med that just drops a 50 second long damage stim aura

[grave venture]

Same happened to arbites

[novel quest]

I just finished a full auric hive scum stack expecting to get absolutely hornswoggled, but somehow by the Throne's will, nobody died at all

[inner void]

it's a hard sell after coming off shivs, that's for sure.

[sinful matrix]

Arbites are stupid easy to play though

so people weren't throwing games in the first 5 minutes

It was just. . . all arbites

[grave venture]

Now imagine how unlikely it is for people to keep playing hivescum considering its not braindead easy

[inner void]

Dogs everywhere

[amber sundial]

Can’t sell the game if the dogs kill literally everything in uprising

[novel quest]

if an arbites gets downed fast, I assume that player is hardstuck heresy💔

[rigid dock]

also jesus fatshark can we get a single crumb of carapace armor damage on anything, why did you make the dual daggers your darktide devs stole straight from vermintide lose their backstab damage on carapace pls

[flat mist]

Yeah but they also stole all the rations, where as meth addicts don't eat

[sinful matrix]

I dunno

[novel quest]

just charge attack and stack toxin lmao

[rigid dock]

why is my best choice for fighting a walking fortress in full plate a gun that shoots syringes

[grave venture]

Have you seen the toxin damage?

[inner void]

When I first tried Arbites, I immediately changed to the no-dog build.

[kind zodiac]

Arbi is boring to play

[novel quest]

just dodge the overhead

[sinful matrix]

I just can't deal with the whole team being dead in 4-5 minutes literally every single game

[flat mist]

Every new melee can deal with cara

[novel quest]

just stack damage buffs and do the direct hit charge attack

[sinful matrix]

There's clearly power in the class, I'm doing fine otherwise

[grave venture]

Literally just tap the crusher with 4 needle pistol shots and ignore them, they'll die

[sinful matrix]

But I think the risk-reward is definitely tuned too far in the risk direction for most people (Which I'd argue is bad class design)

[grave venture]

3 if its not urgent

[harsh reef]

you have grape flavoured bonesaw and crowbar

[novel quest]

he's complaining that it feels like you need the fentgun (Untrue)

[inner void]

I think this is because of "ooo, shiny" damage talent nodes and peeps ignoring the toughness/resistance nodes entirely, as usual

[vast surge]

And uncanny on shiv

[sturdy linden]

the shivs eat carapace for breakfast. As does the Saw. As does the Needle Pistol. As does the crowbar. As do a bunch of other weapons that are not exclusive to scummer

[zealous basin]

so damage is dump stat on needle pistol huh

[kind zodiac]

Meth gun go brrr plus ebony and ivory are awesome

[amber sundial]

I don’t think you need a extra 2 impact dmg tbh

[zealous basin]

i forgot that damage doesnt scale the dot up god dammit 😭

[novel quest]

@novel oracle how do you handle Crushers with your desperado autopistols build? do you just shiv charge attack your way through?

[grave venture]

Bonesaw can use the rending chem to make them weaker, then tox them
Shivs obliterate carapace
Alt crowbar at least keeps them there
Stubs aren't for them, neither are the uzis
Needle pistol is comical

[inner void]

Hah. That's hilarious. I didn't even consider damage as the dump stat, but that makes complete sense.

[bronze glade]

dump stat on needle is more like

[zealous basin]

it has that one sprint talent

[bronze glade]

anything

[zealous basin]

thats op

[bronze glade]

none of it matters

[kind zodiac]

Meth gun comical lol

[zealous basin]

as a mobility tool

[bronze glade]

except maybe ammo

[amber sundial]

Alt crowbar has a ridiculous amount of stagger on hit lol

[grave venture]

the fent darts

[sturdy linden]

alt crowbar can perma stagger Crushers

absolute comedy

[grave venture]

YOU
SHALL NOT
MOOOOOOOOVE

[proven lotus]

Love dragging them away from their friends into a back alley to shank

[kind zodiac]

Personally I’d prefer to use ebony and ivory

[sturdy linden]

crowbar is basically Ogryn's 3b club but with flair and personality

[grave venture]

I love the stubs

[inner void]

Crowbar feels like
Two ragers? Ah, fiddlesticks

[grave venture]

Flirting vs harassment

[zealous sky]

I officially declare that half of chem tree talents are complete garbage, need serious rework

[kind zodiac]

Thank you at least someone gets the reference

[novel quest]

alt crowbar is actually busted on Crushers ngl

[zealous basin]

i just got 5 needle pistols with a 60 stat back to back and the last one was damage

[novel quest]

if you're charging those attacks, you will absolutely hornswoggle them

[amber sundial]

Me watching as the singular pox walker sacrifices their life to get down Mr president the crusher

[grave venture]

No seriously its so funny how if you're good with the timing you can completely invalidate up to like three of them

[inner void]

I used to love doing that with the floorboom Psyker staff

[kind zodiac]

Just saying the meth gun that makes enemies go boom needs a bigger AOE

[novel quest]

yea you can VERY easily trivialize crushers with the crowbar

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/digging-kanye-west-jesus-walks-song-mining-working-gif-20589118

[novel quest]

especially with that bonus carapace dmg perk

oh man

[grave venture]

The team of gangers stopping the crusher squad

[flat mist]

guarantee_ability_activation

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/336

[inner void]

I tried its alt fire once, and was like
Welp, never using that

[rose flax]

Combine it with run and gun

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/can-opener-canned-food-opening-a-can-gif-27147344

[grave venture]

You need the mk2

[grave venture]

Twin Stubs

[rose flax]

It's very strong for non armored enemies

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ocelot-metal-gear-solid-3-metal-gear-solid-metal-gear-solid-δ-snake-eater-adamska-gif-17224591882763115211

[amber sundial]

Mk6 has advantage of better primary fire but worse alt fire

compared to mk2

[inner void]

I just suppose I wouldn't be using needler for that, as the ammo isn't great

[zealous basin]

are you saying this fixes it or causes the problem because if ithe latter i dont have this mod

[rapid mango]

wdym better primary?

[grave venture]

Context says it does the former

[kind zodiac]

Wait how good are ebony and ivory against Carapace

[vast surge]

Not

[amber sundial]

+2 stacks on weak spot / crit compared to mk2 +1

[rose flax]

Based on the mark, the alt fire can apply dot to nearby enemies on death

[grave venture]

Kinda mid, you don't need a full mag but its not my first, second, third, etc choice

[zealous basin]

ah thank you

[inner void]

the AOE is quite small and it's a single stack

[grave venture]

If you're using the stubs, you may as well do a desperado build and have a dedicated melee weapon for crushers and stuff

[rose flax]

If you have pickpocket you don't have to worry

[kind zodiac]

As long as I can gun down carapace targets with ebony and ivory I won’t complain

[small grail]

All the new players playing hive ganger

[rose flax]

I rarely get that low anyways, playing damnation though

[inner void]

Fair enough. I haven't been down that route yet, I'm sort of right-side and Rampage

[rose flax]

Someone said if you apply multiple stacks and keep switching modes between them it does apply more

[harsh reef]

I want the dual pistol alt to get buffed , you can spin faster if you spam it

[inner void]

Yeah, I imagine if you needle a few zombos in a group and they die, lots of zombos die quite fast

[rose flax]

Here
#hivescum-class message

[inner void]

They pass on their stacks?

[high gull]

No

[grave venture]

You know the weapon special allows you to fire a much more accurate shot that I'm pretty sure deals a lot more damage right?

[sturdy linden]

are mods fixed now?

[high gull]

The inital explosion just applies a stack of toxin to nearby mobs

[sturdy linden]

they were broken when I tried earlier today

crashed my game

[tender forge]

ngl crowbar isnt feeling good

[inner void]

There's a new patcher.

[high gull]

If you shoot multiple different mobs and they all explode, they each apply their own stack of toxin to an enemy

[grave venture]

There's something about spinning your gun and blowing a sniper's head smoove off

[rose flax]

But then how does this happen?
#hivescum-class message

[high gull]

I can go in the psych and test this out again

But I'm 100% sure

The explosion itself only applies a singlular stack

[inner void]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/8?tab=posts

[high gull]

Been trying for literal hours to see if I could ramp that.

[grave venture]

So shoot 4 into the crowd and cleave em

[inner void]

I'd rather just beat the tar out of them lol

[grave venture]

It's more to proc the stimm cooldown perk if I'd wager a guess

[high gull]

Also how are people applying stacks of toxin to regular pox walkers so fast?

[sturdy linden]

thank you

[high gull]

Like they die before you can even switch

2 darts from either mode and they die before you can swap

[inner void]

Depends which mode you're on I guess

[grave venture]

Blackout nades and the perk on the chem tree that applies stacks on blitz explosions

[inner void]

or if you're hitting the spiky/helmetted zombos

[ebon violet]

Is needle and bonesaw overkill

[high gull]

Nah

[ebon violet]

Its op but a bit too slow

[grave venture]

It's the bare minimum

[high gull]

I've tried on auric difficulty

The regular walkers die way fast

[ebon violet]

The devs cooked on the bonesaw and needle

[grave venture]

You apply 3 different toxins with needle and bonesaw, and three of the four sources count for your Chem perks

[inner void]

on-crit melee stacks also

[flat mist]

No. The needle is for heavy targets and things that are further away

[ebon violet]

Bonesaw is a bit too slow for sandbags

Do i run onehit crit perk

[flat mist]

Then run the stam attack speed node

[ebon violet]

Ok

[flat mist]

You get 20% with just one stam curio

36% if you max out

[grave venture]

The mad delicious stimm tree branch that offers attack speed combined with the perk that makes any enemy you kill with it give you 2% cooldown back:

[high gull]

I've tried applying multiple stacks to a mauler then switching to the blue mode for aoe and nah fam. It still only applies one stack of toxin on explosion.

[ebon violet]

Right tree?

[rose flax]

In killing, but not dps, it takes a while to kill because it's strong but it's main damage is from dot stacks so you can shoot a few times and go in and melee them, but it's absolutely amazing for specials and gunners for example

[ebon violet]

Yeah

[grave venture]

No the bottom left of the stimm lab

[ebon violet]

Ohh

Ok

[high gull]

Needler on a plogryn's head is nasty

Tried it on auric

[glacial gyro]

I'm being trolled

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/adurnburncobachi-go-to-sleep-meme-meme-baby-lullaby-gif-5566282313976573953

[rose flax]

Plogyrn?

[high gull]

Plague ogryn

The boss mob?

[ebon violet]

Dude yeah

[high gull]

You know the big fat thing

[rose flax]

Ohh

[ebon violet]

Same with tye slug

[rose flax]

Sorry

[ebon violet]

Soloed a slug

[grave venture]

Just thought about it

[rose flax]

Damage is a complete dump stat

[ebon violet]

Just by ulting desperado and ajax needles

[glacial gyro]

I know. Thats why I said "I'm being trolled"

[grave venture]

Wouldn't you refresh the duration of the stacks with the bonesaw after applying them with the needler?

[high gull]

Yeah I guess

It keeps the stacks going

[grave venture]

Yeah wouldn't that be worth like a ton of damage though?

[ebon violet]

I do brittleness saw with melty needles

[glacial gyro]

OK well brunt had his giggle and relented after so all is well

[high gull]

Just popped a crusher a few times was doing like 500 a tick then swapped to saw for a swing then it pushed it to like 625

[ebon violet]

Brittleness lets all the needles pierce

[grave venture]

650 or 65

[grave venture]

Damn, match made in heaven

[high gull]

Imagine it did less dmg if you swapped

[grave venture]

Wait

[ebon violet]

Ik

Its broken tbh

Like arby when utbfirst dropped

[grave venture]

People would be dogging on it

So my contrast was too low and my saturation was too high on my monitor

[high gull]

This was with 6 shots and a saw

[grave venture]

Hive scum players

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-poison-toxic-alcohol-mixed-drink-gif-1422713399148574700

[high gull]

These are all chest shots btw

Something is oddly fucky about it I won't lie

I could be crazy

But maaaaybe a crit toxin build?

Maaaybe?

[honest shale]

crits would apply extra stacks

[ebon violet]

Whysvthe game being so fkin buggy

Insanely buggy

[honest shale]

Insanely buggy

[ebon violet]

Lag just to rotate my gun

[high gull]

I'm gonna try something

Standby

[ebon violet]

Lad to choose weapon

[honest shale]

I had a critical memory error earlier I'm pretty certain there's a memory leak.

[ebon violet]

Im console

[honest shale]

Is the FPS tanking when enemies spawn?

or is it consistent?

[muted heath]

can toxin DOT have a crit effect at all? I thought yellow was weakspot and orange was crit

[abstract lichen]

Crit gives you more stacks per hit

Doesn't affect dot tick damage

[muted heath]

silly me. Has anyone compiled a chart with all the damage values per stack?

[rare stirrup]

Yes

[muted heath]

Do you know where they are?

[muted heath]

How much for the saw regulary? And how much per crit without that one talent?

[sinful matrix]

Yeah I don't get how people like the shivs

I sure love stabbing poxwalkers 95 times to kill one

let alone bruiser hordes

[harsh reef]

Kuli guide on steam

[steep hatch]

does the basic blinder nade (i.e., i select no blitz) recharge on 20 kills?

[muted heath]

I found you can build enough strength to slash through multiple on light attack.

[rare stirrup]

No

[main wagon]

Go throw a penny into a wishing well wtf why aren’t you getting any crits

[sinful matrix]

Dunno don't care

back to combat axe

[main wagon]

Like every other light hit should be a critical

[hybrid path]

Anyone figured out a way to get stimmed to work besides having you and other people use stims on you?

[steep hatch]

stim dependency?

[sinful matrix]

Real answer, probably because I'm going desperado tree

[hybrid path]

cause the cooldown on the stim is way too slow

[sinful matrix]

So my melee buffs are uh

[main wagon]

So am I

[sinful matrix]

lackluster, to say the least

[main wagon]

How did you outfit your stabbing instrument?

[fair oar]

are the shivs better than the combat knife

[main wagon]

It takes me like 1-2 lights to kill most human sized enemies with a couple exceptions

[lavish forge]

scum is SO FUCKING FRAGILE oml

every time I, as an arbitrator, am paired with any on auric, they die like immediately

[main wagon]

It’s the skillcheck class. “Have you been practicing good fundamentals, reject? No? I’m sorry, clean the floor”

[kind zodiac]

Stabbing instrument? Why use something that stabs when you can rev up a chain sword and go to town

[flat mist]

Yes. You can't just roll your face on keyboard and regen 200% of your toughness every second like arbi

[main wagon]

Because I’ve been using the chainsword since the game launched 🚬

I wanna play with my new toys!

[kind zodiac]

Fair

[main wagon]

I also never used the combat blade because knife is cringe

[sinful matrix]

Unyielding, Carapace, Executor, and Uncanny Strike - Basically just combat knife stuff

[lavish forge]

Im fairly good at this game and I can't carry even as arby which is the most carriest class

[main wagon]

So shivs are a completely new experience

[kind zodiac]

[sinful matrix]

Might've been an error cause new weapon

[fleet lantern]

😄

[main wagon]

Interesting. I also run Cara/Uny with Uncanny + Riposte and they feel great on my desperado build

[sinful matrix]

I put enough time into Combat Knife to get games on Vet to the point where I was consistently taking less than 100 damage per match just as a point to someone who said that I wasn't good at the game

[rustic axle]

YAY i finally can play with the bonesaw, i assume my dump stat is first target

[fleet lantern]

So, needle pistol: what perks should I pick for it? Does Ranged Critical Chance or Damage apply to the chem stacks?

[bronze glade]

mob. first target is NEVER the dump

[iron maple]

hey the Needle pistol there's 2 modes which one is used for what? I usually use the green main one for everything n works like a charm

[main wagon]

Back at launch the knife had absolutely horrific horde clear and since I was a zealot one trick, it basically went against everything I stood for

[kind zodiac]

After this next heresy mission these shiv’s are going up some ogryns ass

[flat mist]

Mode 1: more stacks
Mode 2: Less stacks but does an aoe on kill. Either stagger or applies a dot depending on the mk

[muted heath]

wait a second does damage not effect dot?

[bronze glade]

it does not

[fleet lantern]

I don't believe it does, no.

[bronze glade]

only the damage upon impact

[muted heath]

I chose stability as my dump stat

[abstract lichen]

Default mark explosion does (light) stagger and suppression

Other mark does 1 stack toxin explosive no stagger

[iron maple]

Thank you

[rustic axle]

and i get a dump in crit bonus as the best yay

i love when this game decides to just not be nice

[flat mist]

Still not talking to you 😢

[abstract lichen]

I'm m not either

[flat mist]

breakin my heart man

[high gull]

I'm getting there.

[fleet lantern]

Damage as the dump stat, and then I'm trying to figure out perks/blessings. I don't think the DoT can crit, so Run 'N Gun and reload speed might be the play.

[kind zodiac]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/G9D0L90m02g

This is how I feel whenever I see a zealot with a hammer

[muted heath]

stability seems to make no difference

[lyric galleon]

Ah I hope scum can use bolter

[fleet lantern]

They have Bolt Pistol.

[outer estuary]

Is there a reason why dropping the stim supply makes you use your own stim?

[kind zodiac]

No idea but it’s dumb

[lyric galleon]

I mean much bigger one zzzzz

[kind zodiac]

Vet exclusive I think

[muted heath]

how much brittleness per purple poison stack and how many stacks. Does purple poison trigger the damage blessing against chem for saw?

[lyric galleon]

[broken bear]

desperado is

so good

omg

300k damage????

[high gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVOtJqhkR44&t=81s

If anyone wanted to test what I'm testing out

[kind zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-punch-up-toxic-episode-8-gif-9695514728189911987

[willow vine]

For a character who's supposed to be fast surprisingly there are 0 fucking movement speed nodes

Even vet has 2 if I remember correctly

[kind zodiac]

Hey it says most toxic

[flat mist]

PSA: if you're running hyper-critical, precision violence cannot activate. The bug occurs as soon as hyper-critical kills an enemy and persists for the rest of the game.

[kind zodiac]

And what’s more toxic than getting punched in the nuts

[outer estuary]

Getting needled

[novel oracle]

if desperado is up, i alternate between the crushers and random enemies to keep buff/uptime up
the 15% rending node does quite a lot for it
if not, then ill use the shivs which you can either kill them outright or throw 1-2 toxin knives to soften them up as you swing then get them back on kill

[copper crag]

are the colors for the bonesaw/needle gun labeled anywhere? I have color blindness and it's...uhh.. difficult

[outer estuary]

For the needle the top is yellow and the bottom is blue

[kind zodiac]

Oof taking a meth gun shot to the family jewels that would hurt

[high gull]

Theeeeere we go

[copper crag]

what does yellow and blue mean @outer estuary

[zealous ravine]

oh my god i was having hte same problem with the grey screen filter

[fleet lantern]

For the needle gun you have up and down on the gun, at least. Up is the extra stacks, bottom is the explosive chem.

[high gull]

1k dmg per tick

[zealous ravine]

actually couldnt tell the poison lmao

[copper crag]

what about the bone saw

[sturdy linden]

say

has anyone here tried Desperado with the DB?

[kind zodiac]

Off topic question real quick did y’all play dispatch? And what y’all think of it

[high gull]

@near vapor

This is your guy right here

[woeful hill]

Finished my Hive Scum solo

sadly not H40

only an Auric I-II

[granite panther]

That's amazing!

[outer estuary]

For both marks the yellow applies 5 chem stacks on an enemy. For the mark 2 the blue mode gives an enemy 3 stacks and when they die they blow up and give I think 3 chem stacks to nearby enemies as an AOE. On the mark 5 (or whatever the other one is called) it’s also does 3 stacks but when they blow up it’s just a damage AOE and no chem. Mark 2 is objectively better for damage and crowd clearing.

[kind zodiac]

What I do wrong

[flat mist]

what build

[woeful hill]

1 min

[high gull]

Nothing

[woeful hill]

gonna put in on Gameslantern for the video

[high gull]

Dude just loves dispatch

[kind zodiac]

Ahh ok nice

[zealous basin]

hello I am theory crafting a forced synergy with chemical dependency and stim by using a high cd stimm and cooldown snapshotting u cant take long lasting stims and u have to manage ur cds pretty well so u might go down to 2 stack and getting momentum with it can be rough but with it u can have a pretty powerful stim with low down time at all time

[granite panther]

Hello fellow Scummers! Idk if the player was on here that named their character after GG Allin, I want to give them mad props for that lol we had fun on Battle For Tertium! Sincerely, StimmyDoubleFisty (my Scummers name)

[candid flare]

I just hopped on, It wouldn't let me do Scumfuck

[kind zodiac]

Theory crafting is fun and all but I personally reckon making your own build is more fun

Being unique

[lavish forge]

imagine they stealth drop skitarii next patch

and then take it away again next patch

[granite panther]

Did you try "ScumFK" to see if that works? 🙂

[outer estuary]

scufmuck

[granite panther]

Now that's rad!

[candid flare]

Nah just went straight for GG after that. Was fun trying to make my guy look like him

[thorn prawn]

Enhanced is a god awful penance

[candid flare]

Sadly ogryns have the wierd mustache but not the hiver

[granite panther]

It didn't let me do StimmyDoubleFister or McDoubleFister so StimmyDoubleFisty fits bc of Cockney Rhyming and punk attitude/humor lol

I didn't see mustache options for the hive. Scum kinda looks like the veteran mustache. But you know it's all good. I had to go clean face for it for my character. So I could show off a couple of cool things on the face even though they get covered up by re. Breathers and helmets and masks l o l

I know I shared mine before but I love sharing it again l o l

[candid flare]

I was pleased to see smeared facepaint, dissappinted but not surpised it didn't come in brown though

[woeful hill]

making thumbnail at the same time, so it will be a bit longer

[candid flare]

Green was close enough

[stuck finch]

My colourblind ass saw two shades of brown

[candid flare]

GG would've been in the show anyways

[steep vale]

bruh im broke

[devout bison]

So, are the new crackheads somehow not heretics? How does that work? Why hasn't the inquisition gotten blammy?

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/stopbeingpoor-poor-broke-gif-21552270

[granite panther]

My dark tide account was definitely broken by getting my scummer. Quickly mastered on new weapons and as well. All those things that help kind of get the quality of character leveling and weapons fast tracked more lol

[steep vale]

they still praise the god emp

they just dont follow the dictator stuff

[stuck finch]

Well, we're basically a near endless supply of meat for the grinder

[devout bison]

Is there a single line that implies that? 😛

[steep vale]

there are a few actually

[stuck finch]

Outlaw actually, they're a fan of the local Saint

[devout bison]

oh? haven't heard em yet

oh outlaw, I mean it does kind of make sense for that one

[steep vale]

and alot of them talk about how the praise the god emp but with conditions were less rough for people

[granite panther]

Kind of like those funny stories of relationships "this bad boy/girl came into my life, fell in love with him/ her, broke my bank and went off smashing a bunch of dregs and scabs!" Lol

[stuck finch]

Fem Outlaw has such a sweet personality, she acts like a mom

[atomic drift]

What's better on shivs. Rending or bleed weakspot hits

[full sleet]

whats the general community knowledge for making a crowbar melee build? necessary nodes and all that

[flat mist]

rending

[granite panther]

Outlaw moms always 🔥 #omilf (lol jk!)

[coral mirage]

That jk wasn’t sincere

Let the freak out

Don’t deny your weapon its purpose

[stuck finch]

She talks to the Bounty Hunter like he's a child having a temper tantrum

[granite panther]

Ok no jk lmao

[coral mirage]

[main wagon]

I desperately want to play with a M Fatalist Arby to see their interactions

But everyone is playing Scum

[primal oriole]

alright muckers, i'm making a spotify playlist dedicated to Tertium's finest hive scum, i'm looking for nu-metal, punk rock, industrial punk rock and heavy stuff

[granite panther]

Bounty Hunter dude missing vo "yes mummie" lol

[stuck finch]

I am guilty of playing Scum. Give it a week and it'll stabalize

[primal oriole]

i need suggestions to add

[stuck finch]

Turbo Riot from Ascent OST is a good song

[granite panther]

What suggestions?

[patent bone]

Don't. Welcome to the underhive

[primal oriole]

bro look above your message about "yes mummie" lmao

also anything anti-authority

rebel stuff

[rich carbon]

gotta love FS

[patent bone]

Nice

[primal oriole]

oof

[rich carbon]

79/61 is painful

[candid flare]

Chimera, Powerman5000, The Union Underground, meshugga, Static-x

[primal oriole]

i'm trying to keep it non-game ost related

[lyric galleon]

Lmao

[fast wind]

I like that the saw feels like a manual chainsword

[primal oriole]

got bleed already added

[lyric galleon]

[stuck finch]

Ok, Last resort and Spa by Battle Tapes

[patent bone]

Who's the Vox Operator working for Morrow? She's new wife

[granite panther]

Ok so I know you mention Nu-Metal yet I want to recommend songs "Bite It You Scum" by GG Allin, any song by Bolt Thrower, mostly some classic UK82 (1980s British Hardcore Punk) songs and then I'll dig up some NuMetal and Industrial rock/metal songs lol

[primal oriole]

push it too

actually bleed is a little too Doom for this playlist

[granite panther]

Also check out the band called Chainsword

[candid flare]

I feel like Rise Against would have the right tempo

[granite panther]

There's alot of WH40K themed Extreme Metal bands

[primal oriole]

too slow, not adrenaline inducing enough

[candid flare]

Lamb of god always puts me in the mood to put my head through another motherfuckers head

[primal oriole]

it's a little too old for this playlist

im thinking 90s and forward

[candid flare]

Killer in you By limp biskit?

Gotta get some Korn in there too

[primal oriole]

i added "Nobody Loves Me"

which is perfect

nobody loves scum hivers

not even scum hivers love scum hivers

[granite panther]

A lot of songs by KMFDM fit for Hive Scum especially the "Anarchy" album

[zealous basin]

I mean everyone conclusively agrees stimm supply chem dependency is bad im trying to find a way to make it work and reward me for min maxing my long stim cdr

[granite panther]

My head canon fan lore ideas made me imagine up a Hive Ganger band that has an album called "Nevermind The Arbites Here's The Hive Scum" lol like a spoof of Sex Pistols "Nevermind The Bollocks Here's The Sex Pistols" album cover lol

[flat mist]

isnt the issue that you just dont get stacks of chem dependancy?

[zealous basin]

yeah

[broken bear]

shivs my beloved.

[zealous basin]

so if u manage ur stim cooldown u still can technically use it well

[granite panther]

Ai album cover generator didn't do well but did something close to it lol

[zealous basin]

but using the 4 stack is absolutely out of the question with strong stims

[granite panther]

Just needs editing or from scratch on photoshop

[primal oriole]

it's too slow man

too melodic

not chaotic enough

[zealous basin]

hey from the perspective of a dps scum player would u rather see one more specced into reload speed or crit

[granite panther]

Crust Punk and Grindcore are the best for chaotic extreme music enjoyers

[flat mist]

but then you dont get the effect of your stim when you drop stimm supply

[primal oriole]

i mean this is the music you listen to before you go out there you know

it has to amp you up

[granite panther]

Yes

[zealous basin]

the delayed deployment one does

[candid flare]

Definitely new Millennium cyanide Christ by Meshuggah

[zealous basin]

my point is

ur stim cooldown is really long

[flat mist]

what is delayed deployment? do you mean practiced deployment?

[warped laurel]

defenses or mobility on crowbar

[zealous basin]

no the one that makes it blow up early

[granite panther]

Like the Orks have that, Hive Gangers and Scummers would have similar

https://youtu.be/yxwx28K93S0?si=0d1PufuD51zqZP8T

[primal oriole]

see i'm trying to avoid using game OSTs

[candid flare]

What about anything by murderdolls ?

[zealous basin]

so u can get more benefit out of low cd stim supply while ur stim cd has downtime chem dependency i think it makes sense

[flat mist]

it doesnt give the stim effect

im in the psykhanium now.

[granite panther]

https://youtu.be/RA0D4_3ZhWg?si=ZaP-Lp2v4pVbHf9S

[primal oriole]

So for I got:

Limp Bizkit - Nobody Loves Me
Rage Against the Machine - Bulls on Parade
Ho99o9, Corey Tayler - BITE MY FACE
Mudvayne - Dig
Static-X - Push it
CKY - 96 Quite Bitter Beings
Slipknot - Disasterpiece

from that you can get a rough idea what i'm looking for I think

[zealous basin]

I literally just got the reload speed buff in the psykanium

its not the same as the "stimm one"

the point is the buff itself has low downtime

u just use chem dependency to maintain a strong stims low down time

[flat mist]

i literally just didnt get any attack speed or CDR when i dropped stimm supply with my stim on CD

[north plank]

Got my scum to 30

biggie ups

[candid flare]

Jumdafuckup slipknot and soulfly

[zealous basin]

reload speed works 🤷

[flat mist]

it doesnt

[jovial tiger]

gj i will be tomorrow. Then I will delve into actual specs

[zealous basin]

yes it does???

[granite panther]

https://youtu.be/UTgFvOlBLJ8?si=gJuVBhk42-Aqqv4-

[primal oriole]

oh dude youre so right

[zealous basin]

if u didnt get the buff from the stim as well it would be shit

it would be like relic not giving you gold toughness

[primal oriole]

added

[zealous basin]

its working as intended

[broken bear]

Okay so

Shiv and auto pistols

[candid flare]

Megadeth High speed dirt

[broken bear]

Running desperado and vulture

How the FUCK do you clear the crushers quick

[jovial tiger]

also after 30 shifting focus on the event cap instead of leveling will be a nice change of pace

[flat mist]

yes but you have to have your stim available...

[trim wind]

ask for help from an adult

[hot moth]

your melee weapon

(lol)

[flat mist]

@zealous basin if the stim is still cooling down then you get no effect