hivescum-class

[dense hollow]

i think my favourite thing with desperado is a double barrel shotgun with both barrels blessing

fun factor

[dim moth]

yeah it's an entire talent tree of god tier damage talents

and some of the strongest unique weapons in the game

[teal oriole]

I’m absolutely balling with the needle gun + crowbar combo

[obsidian crown]

You generate an insane amount of toughness on desperado. Wym?

[dim moth]

survivability? uuuuh

[wooden musk]

the extra clip size for a 1 shot 2 shot reload is so nice

[main wagon]

YMMV

[manic wolf]

Slippery Customer alone is a gigantic increase to suvivability

[warm dust]

i got this music for you fellow hive scum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WYOLP__RhM

[manic wolf]

Slide-dodge through shit situations like they dont exist

[wooden musk]

and the crazy damage and toughness damage reduction every reload

[tiny dock]

Well, that's an ability. I'm talking about in general.

[main wagon]

Bringing back "enemies that explode when headshot" right after releasing "spray and pray for free as long as you keep shooting" class is a 9000IQ troll from Fatshark

[warped grove]

Does anyone have a good Havoc-ish build with Desperado? I´m trying to experiment with what I have

[fickle socket]

found it

im dumb

[obsidian crown]

I’m talking about the standard desperado build. Not the ability itself. It’s a toughness generator build with like near perma immunity to both melee and ranged

[tiny dock]

Ye! That one!

[livid raven]

isn't that like 13% crit at best

on the last shot

oh wait lv1

nvm lol

[sweet spire]

MAN I LOVE BEING A HIVE SCUMMER

[muted python]

is crowbar a good pairing for dual autos?

[livid raven]

depends

[fickle socket]

its 2% per level

[dense hollow]

it's like 28% crit at best with more mag size but honestly just use desperado blessing if you want the crit

[livid raven]

what are you going to do mostly

[dense hollow]

20% that applies to all shots no matter where you are in the magazine

[livid raven]

if you go desperado, then you can just use ranged 95% of the time

[muted python]

yeah just lots of shooting lol

[rustic zinc]

This was the revolver one, not sure if it's adjusted for other weaps?

[dense hollow]

that doesn't seem right

[muted python]

was thinking of a backup though

[tiny dock]

Well, yeah. Most of the desperado build is Damage Avoidance. The toughness regen is a bonus.

[fickle socket]

huh, the darktide game lanten need to be updated

[livid raven]

what

how so

[dense hollow]

the dual stub pistol one is 2% for each expended round

[fickle socket]

oh

[livid raven]

yeah it would be broken as shit if it was the same for dual stub

[fickle socket]

i have played ogryn to much so im as smart as them

[spark gyro]

What blessings should ya put on your crowbar? I put can opener and the one the one that increases weak spot damage when ya push enemies

[tiny dock]

Whoops. Replied to the wrong person.

[teal oriole]

I use can opener and unstoppable force

[tiny dock]

Hive Scum is... probably the exact opposite of an Ogryn, in terms of play style.

[wooden musk]

whats fully staggered mean for the cheap shots talent

[fickle socket]

i have played pysker as well, they don't feel that much glass
then again, they have like 10 dif things to protect they toughness

[wooden musk]

if I shoot them with a shotgun and it staggers them does the damage count on that shot or only on the next one

[signal nebula]

on their arse, essentially

[rustic zinc]

I dunno, I play my scum pretty similar to Ogryn overall.

• dodge
• did you dodge yet? dodge-slide again
• smash everything with melee
• smash F button if ability is ready
• thing not dying? Hold left-click harder (heavy attack)

[signal nebula]

like if you were to throw a flashbang at them

[wooden musk]

hm so not very useful?

[signal nebula]

not imo, no

pretty low tier

[wooden musk]

damn

[signal nebula]

better damage stuff you can grab

[tiny dock]

Stick it out until level 30. You get the heavy hitters of Hive Scum survivability in the lower perks.

[fickle socket]

[dense hollow]

psyker isn't that glass anymore

after the talent tree reworks

[fickle socket]

alright so i might go desperado with run and gun on the stub or should i go with speedload with run and gun

[honest shale]

It's just pre-rework zealot talent trees with self-flagellation for 20 levels until you're allowed to enjoy it.

[rose flax]

It's supposed to have its own crit Chance bonus too but it's broken

[livid raven]

i heard that too

[rose flax]

Critical bonus

[north meteor]

numericAI still broken

[tiny dock]

Mmm... the pistols have surprisingly ok reload speeds. You might not need speed load.

[dense hollow]

if you're doing a desperado build you should take speed load for less downtime imo

[rustic zinc]

I mean it's not THAT bad leveling Scum, provided you know how to dodge.

• Precision Violence (row 2) is 4% tough on hit (8% weakspot, 12% crit-weak), which is a lot of value in addition to typical tough replenishment.
• Nimble (row 7) is +25% dodge range with +50% time-spent-dodging (though honestly the second part doesn't REALLY feel like it's working?)

[dense hollow]

its 50% reload speed that works unlike the 30% on the talent tree

if you get 5 kills in close range

[wind egret]

Is the CDR for Chem Dependency not working with any abilities for anyone? For me, it's completely bugged and only gives you crit & TDR.

[livid raven]

all very nice, unfortunately a single shotgun shot destroys your entire toughness

[fringe marten]

i mean idk ive notied the 30% on the talent tree, i think its just a closer range than what desperado marks

[zealous basin]

This might be the dumbest thing I have read in a darktide related comment section

[honest shale]

Stfu. Stop white knighting bad design

[rose flax]

Psyker is glass in how you can't take much damage if you don't avoid it enough
Hive is glass because taking any damage is a glass breaker, avoid at all costs

[wind egret]

God's strongest Heresy player

[fringe marten]

i mena it would kinda be true but also this class has so many options to make space in a horde to leverage that mobility over said horde
if it was JUST mobility it would be atrocious though

[broken bear]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-gitgud-silksong-hollowknight-gif-11555526335271834339

Every class sucks to level

[livid raven]

nah arbites was pretty good

[broken bear]

Suck it up git gud

[zealous basin]

"bad design" and it's forcing the player to be more skillful if they want to be able to utilize the class

[honest shale]

Absolutely false especially after the rework.

[rustic zinc]

I'm not saying it wouldn't be better to add more mitigation higher in the tree. I'm just pointing out you can survive on those talents easily as long as you (a) can dodge and (b) use fast melee (dual shiv mostly, but I used tacAxe a bit too)

[broken bear]

Arbites is called “you are given god have fun”

[young girder]

what if we had a dopemene sound for hitting a perfect block then everyone will learn

[fringe marten]

i mean personally i dont care, it sucks till you get your ability and then you obliterate everything

[livid raven]

i just think scum is very backloaded

[broken bear]

Scum has an issue with a whole keystone being meh

[honest shale]

Same as pre-rework zealot

[zealous basin]

Yeah but saying mobility with a horde is dumb and wrong mobility makes clutching way easier why do you think zealot is so fucking good at clutching lol

[broken bear]

I’d agree w that

[fast surge]

I would say only psyker and hivescum suck to level. The rest are fine or better

[tiny dock]

You're in the wrong place if you want everyone to agree with you.

[rose flax]

Do you know if it adds to your dodge distance or is like 9 + 25% = 11.25?

[high gull]

We still got people bitching and moaning about scum

Meanwhile last night

[honest shale]

Is that what I want?

[high gull]

"Guys this class has some stupid op things, I think it might get nerfed"

[fringe marten]

i mean yea but zealot also has tools to displace hordes and create space to leverage said mobility for itself

[rustic zinc]

I've flown off staircases to my death, so I'm pretty sure it's dodge dist yeah.

[livid raven]

i think aprosule was being ironic

[high gull]

Nice to see the duality of this game's community on full display

[tiny dock]

It seems like you want no one to have fun.

[obsidian crown]

This class really do be exposing bad players fr fr

[high gull]

And I thank FUCK none of you have any say in game balance

[broken bear]

Literally

[rose flax]

Probably the wrong time for the class to release lol, the patch broke a lot of enemy behavior, especially specials

[north meteor]

the only complaint is squish and skill gap (and some annoying unsynergistic things)

[honest shale]

? I want the unfun to level class to be fun to level? Are you stupid?

[zealous basin]

Wym

[fringe marten]

i agee with what youre saying that the class is not bad by any means and the take said was silly because it discounts alot of tools the class has that arent mobility

[livid raven]

the good core talents are in the bottom part of the tree

[high gull]

I'ma say this

[broken bear]

Like yea some points like the stimm box keystone thing having bad synergy and the entire tree being sorta backloaded is fair

saying that class sucks is cope

[high gull]

The class is a "GLASS CANNON"

You are GLASS

Til you unlock the ability to be a CANNON

[honest shale]

The tree needs a rework for the same reasons zealot did.

[obsidian crown]

They haven’t discovered the bottom middle cluster talents and vulture’s mark

[zealous basin]

I think you're straw manning and doing gymnastics around the original point

[livid raven]

if the entire class played like the first 15 levels, i would have asked for a refund

[rose flax]

Wow, it's like being the last one alive requires effort

[rustic zinc]

I'm confused

• Stimm Box isn't a keystone
• Chem Dependency is a fantastic keystone.

[livid raven]

but i understand that lv 30 is where the game really begins

[broken bear]

Scum has a tool for this. It’s called shoot them a lot.

[tiny dock]

Fun is usually a matter of opinion. I had fun with the Scum the whole way up to 30.

[fringe marten]

no i dont think i am at all actually i think you havent read my message lol

[high gull]

Chem dependancy is bugged atm and doesn't work on chem box

[north meteor]

they dont have synergy though

[fringe marten]

exactly!

glad we agree

[broken bear]

It’s the thing with the stimm box for like auto usage I’m not as well versed, Cole was talkin abt it yesterday

[honest shale]

Nice anecdotal evidence add it to the pile that contradicts you and nudge that average by 0.00001%. Moron.

[rustic zinc]

Sure. And I agree that should be fixed, but ChemDep is honestly probably my fave keystone at the moment

[manic wolf]

Same. It felt like actual progression from playing the harder classes over the years, like now you graduated to the hardmode character type of thing, very fun if a bit tricky at times

[dense hollow]

stimm box having anti synergy with chem dependancy is a little cringe but the class is loaded with a lot of juice otherwise

[obsidian crown]

I had fun too.

[broken bear]

You have a large amount of salt tbh

Git gud

[zealous basin]

I mean I agree just mobility would be useful but the point I was making is that saying movement is useless is just wrong when that's literally when it matters most

[fierce grove]

what blessings do you run w/the dual pistols

[zealous basin]

Useless

[dense hollow]

i run speedload and desperado for desperado builds

[glad latch]

Shame. Although base chem box needs a buff as well anyway, doesn't do a whole lot without upgrades.

[high gull]

It's basically just a CDR keystone which is kinda useless on stimmbox anyways given you can get your box back near instantly with the talent that insta cooldowns your med box when your stimms are avaliable.

[dense hollow]

thats my personal choice

[high gull]

Which guess what

[fringe marten]

i dont think you understand my point at all, it was never that the person making that take was right
the exact opposite actually

[high gull]

You can spam your stim box with a toxin build

Cause of...

SAMPLE COLLECTOR

[broken bear]

Like I think there’s 3 camps of hivescum debate

1. Valid criticisms
2. Meaningless cope saying the whole class sucks for no reason
3. You are bad at the game and don’t have the survivability of high survivability classes. Git gud

[fringe marten]

movement isn't useless at all, it's very useful but if you were to have a class that could only move fast and not displace hordes or have good tools to free space so you can move it would be really bad lol

[manic wolf]

Same. Pinning would be a good choice if they had any meaningful stagger, but the damage bonus only contributes to the last few shots per mag an drops between reloads so its kinda eh vs just upping DPS with reload speed in the first place

[wind egret]

Chem Dependancy is actually cooldown Regeneration and not cooldown reduction, unless I'm timing it wrong here, is this right?

[high gull]

The tree 100% needs looking at because as some playtesters have said

[tiny dock]

See? Now you're namecalling. You don't like Scum, and that's fine. Just don't come into the Hive Scum channel where everyone talks about how awesome it is and say it sucks because you don't like it.

[high gull]

some talents don't run congruent with others

But outside of that

[zealous basin]

I got your point I just didn't like how you were bringing external factors that I already understand and misinterpreted it as you straw manning

[high gull]

The class is stupid as fuck levels of strong if you aren't dog shit at the game and actually utilize mechanics that have been placed in SINCE LAUNCH

[broken bear]

Like this falls into camp 1 of “valid, data backed criticism”

[fast wind]

Just gotta stim before you throw down the box

[obsidian crown]

Slide and dodge.

[high gull]

The box is useless then.

[fast surge]

Then the box doesn't have the stim

Lmao

[zealous basin]

Hive scum is unplayable because desperado stops the music sometimes

[rustic zinc]

Really just wish I could run scoreboard. I'd definitely be more confident if I could see damage numbers backing up my feeling that it's a strong class atm.

But scoreboard might not like Needle Gun atm? I feel like it crashes every time certain events happen (mod works for a while, then crashes with ammo capacity issue)

[wind egret]

I seem to be right about this.

[broken bear]

I’d say hyper critical needs to proc on kill effects too 😊

[high gull]

The main draw of the box is sharing your custom stimms

[fast wind]

its a bomb, it's an extra buff aoe

[fringe marten]

im not bringing external factors into this that aren't already involved? i think youre trying to pick an argument for no reason lol

[broken bear]

Lowk my sliding is dog shit but holy fuck is sliding thru a rager pack fun

[zealous basin]

I'm not???

[high gull]

The bomb isn't base kit tho....

Sharing the stimms is.

[fast wind]

if you stim you can still box and share the benefit

[obsidian crown]

I just delete them with auto pistols while sliding

[alpine orchid]

I'm guessing "Blessed Stims" won't heal past the nearest wound?

[livid raven]

yeah, it's garbo

[manic wolf]

Hive Scum funnest class, no debate tbh, it has problems, sure, but still, most fun

[fast surge]

The box doesn't get the stim effect if it's on CD

[alpine orchid]

Figured, thanks

[rustic zinc]

Pretty sure that bomb talent is a trap. (Like a talent trap, not "Booby Trap" which is the literal name.) Why use a whole talent for 7 lousy chemstax every 60 sec?

[fast wind]

Weird I didnt know that

[livid raven]

if you combined it with the other talent that recharges the pack immediately when your stimm is recharged

and pick a low cooldown stim

[high gull]

That's why I was saying it's useless if you don't use the stimm.

[fierce grove]

running a rampage build, idk if these are good blessings lmao for the dual pistols

[livid raven]

it's a bomb every 15 seconds

[high gull]

Pair this with sample collector

And you're chillin

[livid raven]

but it's just a meme

[rustic zinc]

Ah, true that might let you cycle enough to be worht it. You're right.

[obsidian crown]

Honestly needle pistol is better for a rampage build

[glad latch]

I feel like base chem box should innately give a weak buff, like 5% attack speed, 5% rending and 5% toughness DR and 5% movespeed, just so it can do a small buff on its own even if the stim is on cooldown.

[fast surge]

It also doesn't proc Chemdep if you use the stim with the box

[livid raven]

it's still like 3 talent points for a meme

[compact oyster]

needle pistol is the perfect ranged for a melee build

[tiny dock]

Rocket launcher go boom. :]

[compact oyster]

especially going hybrid into toxin

[dense hollow]

it's true but honestly the dual pistols feel so cool

[broken bear]

Seems fine

[fierce grove]

i guess yeah, i'm trying to justify the bonesaw though

[knotty cipher]

is crowb or saw better for heresy armor?

[broken bear]

Do you have fun with it

[fierce grove]

yes

its pretty fun

[compact oyster]

bonesaw needs cleave blessings

[broken bear]

Then use it

[obsidian crown]

Yeah but you lose so much ranged damage going rampage melee. Needle doesn’t care about that.

[compact oyster]

otherwise its really rough

[high gull]

I'm tempted to just say fuck it and go full toughness regen and CDR

I dunno yet

[fierce grove]

i got shock and awe and decimator

[broken bear]

Heresy armor?

[fierce grove]

also some cleave talents

[rustic zinc]

Well they're not HORRIBLE for a Ramp build. If you like em, use em. They're a good weapon. Personally I just need a Revolver-equivalent, so needle gun has been great for that (and someday maybe I"ll even learn to use its AOE splosions)

[livid raven]

it's very bad

[fierce grove]

but yeah i agree it suffers

[high gull]

This is my current set up.

[livid raven]

that's toughness regen

[zealous basin]

Havoc modifier Im pr sure

[broken bear]

Druggie

[livid raven]

not toughness replenishment

[tiny dock]

I just wish the dual pistols were "automatic". On controller, your hand cramps VERY easily.

[high gull]

Potato potato

But I coulda explained that better

[livid raven]

no no, they are pretty different

it's toughness regen from coherency

[dense hollow]

yeah i agree the needle pistols are mostly better for fulfilling sniping needs

[zealous basin]

This

[dense hollow]

shoot one needle into any special and they die

[livid raven]

unless you do this for the 20% DR?

[high gull]

It's still not giga bad.

[honest shale]

4 into crushers.

[high gull]

The 16% dmg reduction and 50% toughness is nice.

[livid raven]

actually 16% like that

[obsidian crown]

Not just that. It melts bosses too and from a safe distance.

[dense hollow]

yeah it does

[zealous basin]

Coherency toughness Regen is the most unreliable form of toughness Regen in the game

[dense hollow]

needle pistol is crazy loaded with dots

imo better at sniping than a revolver

[broken bear]

Lowk I’ve been in coherency a lot more with scum

[tender marten]

Actually might not be 16% DR, not sure if each effect is additive or multiplicative.

[livid raven]

i think doubling your stim cooldown for that is a bit too much personally

but you do you

[dense hollow]

500 dot dmg and like 1000+ dps for 4 shots is enormous

[zealous basin]

Yeah that's what I thought tbh

[placid prairie]

I find it hard to get into the bonesaw, slow swingspeed and very vertical sweeps feel kinda eh

[high gull]

@tepid cosmos Let me borrow you for a second on this.

[tender marten]

Sample Collector means it doesn't really matter what your stim cooldown is.

[dim moth]

I think I've settled on this as stimm for the funny stimm bomb build

[plucky girder]

seeing people use uncanny strikes on the shivs but isnt this a nerfed to fuck version of uncanny? is it really still worth taking?

[glad latch]

Which is dogshit, especially on a close range class like this.

I think the dev needs to have it not get disable from a single poxwalker being near you, which is basically 90% of the matches, espcially the ones that spawn in your ass.

[honest shale]

Enjoy fangurling then. I'll continue to complain that the backloaded talent tree creates a God awful leveling experience for a fucking $12 class.

[placid prairie]

Like it’s great for single target, and the chem coating is a really neat idea

[dim moth]

30-ish second cooldown on average is about how often I use stimm bomb

[zealous basin]

Also why tf does ur stim supply not give u chemical dependency it literally makes the support build significantly less enticing

[tender marten]

There's our answer, it's additive.

[dim moth]

and the crit chance+strenght is extremely useful for increasing the DoT damage

[placid prairie]

But I find it doesn’t quite click

[livid raven]

an oversight, maybe

[tender marten]

So it is 16%.

[zealous basin]

I hope so 🤞🏻

[broken bear]

Git gud

[livid raven]

you would expect at the very least that the ability and the keystone of the same branch synergized with each other

[plucky girder]

complaining about the 5% of ur playtime on a class seems like a really sad way 2 live but go off king

[high gull]

Nah you don't get it man

I wanna feel like god on level 1

[obsidian crown]

Bro it doesn’t even take that long to hit 30 I work a 9-5 and hit 30 playing casually in 2 days and hit aurics around 25.

[high gull]

I paid for this class dammit

[plucky girder]

true

[high gull]

I don't want to have to actually learn and play well

[livid raven]

it took me like 10 hours to reach 30?

[knotty cipher]

anyone got suggestions for crowbar blessings

[zealous ravine]

can opener superiority worked nicely

[honest shale]

I mean, I'm through it. I'm on the other side. I still hated it. It was like leveling old zealot. Fucking nightmares unlocked.

[zealous basin]

It doesn't even really have any good synergies with practiced deployment and chem dependency except CDR stim with it

[livid raven]

but the class is good starting from 20 imo

[broken bear]

People when they play a druggie human convict and complain they aren’t a space marine

[broken bear]

I think lvl 20 and after

Wait

[zealous ravine]

this char feels stronger than the space marines in sm2 anyways LOL

[broken bear]

15

[dense hollow]

the class felt pretty good to me once i got to enhanced desperado and rampage

the rest was smooth sailing

[plucky girder]

kinda sounds like u just forced it on higher difficulties at a super low level and died alot, idk what u expected

[high gull]

I wish for everyone to atleast experience a proper desperado build at least once

[broken bear]

Like once you get upgraded desperado, much easier

[zealous basin]

And I honestly use the term good loosely in this aspect

[livid raven]

once you get enhanced desperado and pickpocket, that's like the entire core build for desperado

[tepid cosmos]

still really strong

[placid prairie]

Brother you get toughness regen on melee hit at your 2nd talent point. This, combined with you so aggressively lashing out at people, tells me you do not understand the core gameplay. Take some time to better understand darktide and the class will be more fun

[high gull]

Desperado dual mac-10s makes you feel like a actual god

[crude robin]

hive somehow keeps doing the most boss damage, the only contender imo is zealot

[broken bear]

Dude I nearly came yesterday with it, I ran out of spawn saw a shotgunner horde and gunned them down

[zealous basin]

I think stim supply with frenzy is better tbh

[tepid cosmos]

really shows uncanny on the other weapons doesnt need to be that high

[broken bear]

My friends went what the fuck

[fast wind]

Same, at that point it just starts really popping off

[broken bear]

Like they MELTED

[dim moth]

scum's boss damage is extremely safe and easy to apply because of the toxin

[wooden musk]

how good is the threat reduction?

[obsidian crown]

I prioritized pathing to bottom middle cluster of perks first for survivability

[broken bear]

I had desperado for fucking 40 seconds

It’s absurd

[high gull]

See horde

[zealous ravine]

i wonder if crit maxxing on bonesaw is good lmao i have 90% crit chance

[dim moth]

and also gun

[high gull]

Pop desperado

Horde no longer exists

[broken bear]

No longer see horse

[tiny dock]

I mean, it forced me to get better at the game to not die constantly. I'm better for it. Even at level 30, if you mess around, you find out in the form of 100-to-0 deaths.

[dim moth]

inferno psyker out of a job

homeless, cast aside

[zealous basin]

Dude

I might just not take a keystone on stim supply

[glad latch]

Good, but also bad at the moment since every man and his dog are playing hivescum.

[dense hollow]

honestly

[broken bear]

I’m contemplating swapping my CDR stim from ranged kill to melee

[dense hollow]

i thought about doing keystoneless on stim supply too

[high gull]

I still took vulture's mark

But that's just me

[dim moth]

nah adrenaline rush is super easy to keep up

[tepid cosmos]

was already answered but in the future id just pull up kulis guides cause ill probably just pull them up to make sure im not talking shit lol

[livid raven]

btw in mortis

[tepid cosmos]

kuli is a god lol

[placid prairie]

Im ngl, I’ve been hoping that hive scum would be a trial by fire for the average darktide player lmfao. It’s nice to see it is making people play better

[toxic dagger]

Ay yo this event spawning twins

[high gull]

You shoulda been here earlier man

[toxic dagger]

Awesome

[high gull]

"Class bad" argument cropped up again

[broken bear]

Dude I got the twins mission yesterday as a level 15

😭

[placid prairie]

I got twins multiple times

[crude robin]

does cleave matter with the daggers

[livid raven]

tho i have to agree that the class shouldn't be this backloaded

[placid prairie]

I was hard carrying each time

[tepid cosmos]

im also noticing now what the conclaves end goal might be

[zealous basin]

I'm doing a debuff and buff build so I am not really killing elites as much as my teammates

[honest shale]

Your quickness to jump to assumptions says enough about you if I wanted to jump to assumptions.

[obsidian crown]

My last high int auric before I got off for the night last night

[livid raven]

but it's really a momentary problem

[tepid cosmos]

i think they want to control atoma and it makes sense why the arbites are tolerating them if thats the case

[high gull]

Support scums are a unicorn.

[livid raven]

desperado?

[tepid cosmos]

but that would make them as power as kasballica princes

[high gull]

It'd wild to find another out int he wild

[placid prairie]

I’ve only seen people who are bad at the game lash out like that

[obsidian crown]

Aye.

[dim moth]

and daemonhosts

[livid raven]

good shit man

i should be less shy and play auric with scum too

[honest shale]

I'm not complaining about 30. The class is great after 24 and three curios. It's leveling up that's a fucking chore and not something I paid $12 for. They need to fucking fix it.

[tiny dock]

It's also RIGHT up my alley. I love the super aggressive glass cannon style of play in... any game.

[tepid cosmos]

thats the national animal of my country

[high gull]

Mini goblin kez as the gang's jester

[livid raven]

maybe not this event tho

[zealous basin]

I would have tried it sooner if chem dependency stacks were gained from your stimm supply

[dim moth]

didn't pay 12 dollars to have to level a character >:(

[crude robin]

will extra cleave matter when I got these

[high gull]

What...

[zealous basin]

That's literally my only criticism of the class

[dim moth]

crit hit damage is bad

[high gull]

I gotchu doc

[tepid cosmos]

unicorn is scotlands national animal lol

[obsidian crown]

#hivescum-class message

not seeing how this is glass though ngl

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-not-gif-14585998

[crude robin]

well idk what else to take

[placid prairie]

Oh dude it’s fucking awesome lol. This is genuinely everything I wish knife zealot could be

[zealous basin]

And top left stim is kinda meh compared to the rest

[dim moth]

also rending on backstab won't boost your bleed damage like other sources of rending would

[livid raven]

yeah i suggest getting a real perk instead of crit damage

[dim moth]

I run mine like this

+stamina is for attack speed from the talent that gives attack speed from stamina

[high gull]

Hey since cole goes catatonic when I ask him

What perks and blessings do you put on your needler and saw?

[tiny dock]

EXACTLY!!! SOMEONE GETS IT!

[dim moth]

carapace or unyielding both are good

[placid prairie]

[livid raven]

it does depend how you use the melee tho

desperado builds barely use it, just to deal with carapace

[rose flax]

Does coated weaponry do anything with bonesaw?

[tepid cosmos]

currently using superiority shack and awe on saw but was using refined lethality shock and awe before

[obsidian crown]

I like shivs on desperado ngl

[tepid cosmos]

also works well

[livid raven]

lol same

very safe

[obsidian crown]

Throw 2 knives then heavy attack head on crusher and they’ll die

[livid raven]

and hyper critical works wonders

[tepid cosmos]

needler is weird rn and alot of blessing dont work on it cause it does dot damage not ranged damage

[dim moth]

extra poison on crit :)

[tiny dock]

I... don't get it.

[rose flax]

So more stacks, was curious thanks

[tepid cosmos]

so best blessings are the crit ones and striped down

[obsidian crown]

Look at dmg taken.

[livid raven]

glass cannon means you break when you receive damage, not that you don't take any

[paper quiver]

when are the quarterly season passes coming out for Darktide?

[crude robin]

I cant really feel adrenalin frenzy and rampage, ik they there but maybe its just because I do daggers

[placid prairie]

Hive scum has like no damage reduction, that’s where the glass part comes in

[livid raven]

and to be fair, if something goes wrong it goes really wrong imo as scum

[north meteor]

I feel like I played with a Jinx earlier

[tiny dock]

You took the least amount. Because your glass and shouldn't get hit much.

[placid prairie]

Yeah

[obsidian crown]

Even when I do take dmg, I don’t take a lot of dmg from most sources unless it’s a crusher OH because some guy decided to play ring around the Rosie and turn him on me

[earnest pelican]

hey what blessing are best for crowbar?

[zealous basin]

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee take hits like you have osteoporosis

[manic wolf]

Please can someone tell me why its always Psyker players who spam pings repeatedly ¬.¬

[placid prairie]

I took limbsplitter and can opener

[obsidian crown]

Today? Haven’t been on. It’s been over 12 hours since I’ve been on

[rose flax]

Take the toughness Regen

[placid prairie]

Because psykers feel entitled to a body guard when they only know how to use smite

[earnest pelican]

Stamina and Carapace on perks?

[north meteor]

ironically just now lol

[placid prairie]

I took carapace and unyielding

[crude robin]

I did

[obsidian crown]

There’s a lot of jinx

I don’t even run stimm crate

[north meteor]

it seems to be the case

[obsidian crown]

It’s jinx from arcane most likely is why

[placid prairie]

I named my hivescum Viper-The-Rapper

[north meteor]

yea probably

Im contagion lol

[tiny dock]

Mine is Ferra.

[vernal sluice]

I named my hivescum Sabot

[placid prairie]

I can only hope people are aware of this individual, because if you know anything about him you know he’s quite a character

[tiny dock]

Wait! I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!!!

[tribal hatch]

can someone explain how swift endurance works? it feels like it doesn't do anything

[vernal sluice]

Yeah ain't bro a kidnapper and a molester 🤨

[placid prairie]

[dim moth]

you get 2% attack speed for every 1 stamina you have

[muted heath]

um details for stat???????

[manic wolf]

Last game was indeed a Smite Psyker ¬.¬ Checks out

[dim moth]

those details are correct

correct in that the stat is bugged and gives nothing

[vernal sluice]

Spam pings in what sense? Like "go there"?

[placid prairie]

That’s not why I picked the name, I picked the name because of the album name and the fucking THOD

[pale rain]

Alright, I've tested more melee weapons. So far, I like the combat axe mark 5 the best. Good horde clearing and great at killing crushers.

Tested at auric difficulty.

[vale rock]

thoguht it would be because of my 80% max mod

[manic wolf]

Ye

[muted heath]

oooooooooooooooooooh. That is fun

[rose flax]

It's broken anyways

[vale rock]

Do we know details on innate blessings of weapons? seems like crowbar has some kind of thrust and dual autopistols have run'n gun

[tribal hatch]

being 8% attack speed at max stamina or?

[placid prairie]

The THOD or The Hornace Of Death, he has a system for putting on progressively tighter and tighter corsets to simulate some kinda death grip on himself

[vernal sluice]

I only do it if someone is hanging way behind for some inscrutable reason

[dim moth]

at max stamina it's somewhere around 26% depending on weapon

[north meteor]

so many of my mods are broken

[manic wolf]

Afaik they're the only ones unless you count DoT as a blessing type thing

[hearty nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1365801113298800642/1446165982178443496/image.png?ex=6932fe86&is=6931ad06&hm=d87c710dc7115cb4a00a7acc81267e875641b030bde432418705ec89303b0939&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=707&height=769

gods i love the designs!

[rose flax]

37

[tribal hatch]

thanks

[dim moth]

yeah what that guy said

[placid prairie]

There you go lol

[dim moth]

if you run triple stamina curios, and +stamina on a high stamina weapon

it gives a fuckton of attack speed

[manic wolf]

For all the bullshit the game can fuck you over with, ping spam is the single most tilting thing lule

[obsidian crown]

IP grabber

[dim moth]

and it's always active

[vernal sluice]

also holy shit the brauto on desperado scum is so fucking good with speedload

[dim moth]

stamina also helps you revive people

[rancid coral]

4.8% max extra crit chance at 80%

So I can only assume 4% at 0 and 4.6% at 60%

Idk about damage bonus from crits tho

[dim moth]

and not die because a rager thought it'd be funny to ignore your dodge right as you push

[tiny dock]

Jeez. Haven't listened to Please Stop Talking in AGES.

[tender forge]

Because vets dont use tag anymore

[vernal sluice]

Less annoying ping mod is a must, it's true

[static elbow]

hey, does anyone have a list of universal backpacks that the Hive Scum can wear? I notice they can wear the voxcaster and transport packs in the current commodore's, but they can't wear the vox-caster theta-901 for example.

[tender forge]

f the dudes who bound left click to ping

[rose flax]

*37 not 37.5

[placid prairie]

Man I haven’t listened to them either in a while but if mandalore is a guest in one you know I gotta listen to it

[sand tendon]

it's time to convince focus target vets to bind tag to left click again /s

[tender forge]

With the ilas

[hearty nexus]

IP grabber? i just dont know why the heck am i not red colored

[placid prairie]

Mandalore has some truly unhinged stories

[rare stirrup]

We should beat them to death with crowbars

[hearty nexus]

wanted to share a photo from other discord i am on xD

[tiny dock]

Oh, for sure!

[rapid mango]

takes tiny damage, needs medicae stations, its glass

[tender forge]

Talk on server and become red

[flat mist]

I've been running it all day

[hearty nexus]

fair point i am not talking enough here so xD

[tender forge]

Arent there 2 full medicaes per mission though

[flat mist]

Tried like 10 different weapons with it

[obsidian crown]

could have honestly ignored the med stations but they were the guaranteed 4 point ones and we all were moving on to next section

[sand tendon]

crowbar having thrust is kind of a big nothing no? on testing it seems to just be ~20% damage at max charge

[dim moth]

yeah I'm probably keeping it the same way xd

no amount of toughness is going to keep me alive

[placid prairie]

It’s a joke for people who post links that don’t embed. The joke is implying that it’s a link posted with malicious intent

[dim moth]

but stamina so that I don't eat shit and die from ragers

[flat mist]

It's genuinely so good

[tender forge]

Ive died to rager congas a couple of times

But tbh I always had some issues with that

[rose flax]

I mean 20% is a big boost

[rapid mango]

ragers arent cool

[tender forge]

Mind you I have way less problems than my teammates

[placid prairie]

Shivs and rampage mulch through almost everything, it’s crazy

[sand tendon]

for the amount of time you spend charging not particularly imo

[tender forge]

Identical to my first heresy run on ganger lol (except it was in the death tunnel)

[flat mist]

I've been running with triple stam regen too

[dim moth]

how this clip felt

[rose flax]

Your playing on the hive scum, you can deal with the long delay due to his high mobility, plus he has a ton of attack speed

[flat mist]

You hit it like 5 or 6 times in barely a second hahaha

So fun

[dim moth]

I like this clip for it

really highlights how much scum can do in jut the blink of an eye

[rapid mango]

so quick and snappy

[sand tendon]

maybe on the flip version but on unflip you can just do heavy -> light for quicker damage out

[rapid mango]

im pleasantly surprised at how its more fun than knife psyker on mettle/SG WS / DD

[obsidian crown]

Shout out to the guy playing ring around the Rosie with a crusher yesterday and turned it on me as he was doing OH. Was fun times.

[flat mist]

Nutty

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-spinning-twirling-dancing-hands-up-gif-24123745

Funny thing is I kept trying to move away from it

[tender marten]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-bear-wave-happy-wave-gif-2687863440681867759

[flat mist]

Playing melee psyker for years has all been training for hive scum lel

[tender forge]

It was me and it wasnt an accident

[hearty nexus]

XD fair - the damn hackers are specially lovely lately with them "girls" baiting even if you got 0 friends related or from public discord like this lmao

[blissful gull]

I think scum should be able to dodge through enemies like kerillian

[north meteor]

sad day

[sand tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1440455235809181829/giphy_-_2021-06-01T142714.452.gif

[flat mist]

They're real bro

[tender marten]

does it do the spongebob laugh when you open the box

[placid prairie]

Pretty easy to just not interact with random adds lol

[obsidian crown]

Surprised they didn’t have a heal stim in stim lab but I suppose that would be broken

[sand tendon]

i'm too scared to try

[tender marten]

fear nothing but fear itself

and dementia, that shit is also pretty bad

[sand tendon]

i can't even count that high that's too many things to fear

[abstract onyx]

Whats the dumpstat on Bonesaw?

[tender marten]

this is how it feels to me. scum is just gunker pre-last tree rework

[rose flax]

They should have given the crowbar the thrust blessing so you can stack it

[tender marten]

thrust is poopy

im fine having it for free on the weapon but i would never put it on one other than the THammer

actualyl why DOESNT the Thammer just get thrust for free that would rock

[dim moth]

that mobility is also good for saving teammates too

[flat mist]

Exactly. I was playing literal melee only games like four scriers gaze buffs ago

[compact orchid]

Has anyone used the crowbar and the dual stub pistols yet just wanted to know if they’re any good

[flat mist]

All I had was dodges and EE

[tender marten]

god gunker is obscene now

[flat mist]

And mettle

[dense hollow]

crowbar feels very good

[pallid quail]

they are not

[flat mist]

Scum is easy to survive with compared to that

[sand tendon]

as a thrust enjoyer on the picks and clubs for ogryn.... yeah....

[dense hollow]

maybe..maybe gunlugger will get some love..eventually..

[crude robin]

dang thats a lot of crit

[obsidian crown]

My friend uses the blind nades to res people

[placid prairie]

Crowbar is decent. I feel it could do better with cleave but I’m kinda spoiled on cleave by the relic blade. Flipping around for the strike downs is really nice tho. Pretty sure it can interrupt crusher overheads

On a weakspot hit

[sand tendon]

just take one of the like 3 cleave nodes scum has on tree

[placid prairie]

No I do too

[vernal sluice]

I still can't put the shivs down. Maybe I never will.

[tender marten]

all you need is ramapge + that one right node

[placid prairie]

Trust me I have every cleave node taken

[obsidian crown]

Crit tox node?

[vernal sluice]

The bast boosted fart blast upgrade

[flat mist]

Beautiful

[spark gyro]

Moving like prime fucking Thorfinn dawg

[placid prairie]

It feels like crucis thammer crowd control

[obsidian crown]

Shivs with the crit tox node is super good

[pallid quail]

no

[rose flax]

Attack speed increases with more stamina(you have to have it active too, so it drops with less)
You can get up to 37% more, or 30 if you use a 1 stamina weapon

[compact orchid]

Ok cheers would you recommend the Bone saw and the stub pistols if you use them

[pallid quail]

shivs/dual mac11 only good weapons

[flat mist]

Pretty sure the half stamina doesn't convert to 1% speed. Atleast according to the stacks I get on the buff bar.

[sand tendon]

i would've said it felt more like shovel's cooler cousin

[brittle sierra]

Ah and the misinformation spreading begins 😈

[tough kiln]

What is a diff between two marks of Needle pistol

[amber sundial]

I love how the captain shield flex still has a instadown bug lol

[placid prairie]

Im not a fan of the bonesaw, very vertical strikes even for what’s supposed to be sweeping attacks. Dual stubs are fun if you want more precision over mowing down hordes

[dim moth]

you get two sweep heavies after push attack

[amber sundial]

6 applies +2 stacks on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies explode for stagger
2 applies +1 stack on crit/weak point alt fire makes enemies apply chem tox to others

[cold turtle]

wait does the stimpack do anything if your stim is on cooldown other than corruption reduction

[paper quiver]

parpal

[cedar cairn]

Hi moffia lol

[paper quiver]

pruple

[sand tendon]

i feel like i'm being gaslit but i swore mk 6 also applied brittle on the alt fire

[rose flax]

No, it doesn't, so it's 36 then
Sorry about that

[paper quiver]

who you calling a moff

[dim moth]

No :)

[flat mist]

You push attack into heavy heavy

[amber sundial]

I’m not aware if it does that I haven’t heard that yet

[cold turtle]

fatshark moment

[dim moth]

tbf people run that worthless zealot aura for coruption removal

and stimm supply outright makes you immune on top of doing that (and explodes instantly killing anything smaller than a mauler)

[rose flax]

Question, when you increase attack speed, does it add like this 1.50 + 25% or 1.50 + 25?

[cold turtle]

for a talent point. I thought the point of that ability was keeping your stim up at all times

[flat mist]

What's the 1.50?

[dense hollow]

you use your stim on the box to spread your stim's effect to teammates

the most unfortunate thing is that the box doesnt give chem dependancy

[rose flax]

Nothing, just an example

[sand tendon]

unless the stim ticks are being added to my swing damage somehow

[thick wharf]

Sucks that only two paths on the stim are useful though, the toughness and ability regen need reworks imo

[sand tendon]

my normal hits are 128 and my hits on tox'd target are a bit higher (not looking at the crit ones)

[flat mist]

Different sources of attack speed apply additively. So if you have 36% from stam and 10% from keystone you just get a 46% increase.

[dense hollow]

it's okay maybe the 7th class they release won't have any source of toughness replenishment and they'll surely learn to use toughness recovery instead :)

[amber sundial]

That is interesting

[flat mist]

The ability regen is fine

[sand tendon]

again with blank talent tree

[cold turtle]

I feel like if coherency toughness regen wasn't turned off by an enemy being in melee it would feel more forgiving

[dim moth]

yeah the ability regen is on demand up to 100% cooldown reduction

[tender marten]

coherency regen is just there for level 5 characters so that they have SOMETHING when moving between rooms

[sand tendon]

mk 6 does seem to apply some sort of damage modifier to swings but once again idk if ticks get added to swing damage

[thick wharf]

Ig if your popping a stim outside of your ability like desperado and rage yeah, though usually you’d wanna pop it during

[tender marten]

thats all its for

[thick wharf]

Fair enough

[tender marten]

Really dunno why they put toughness regen in the stim though, its 100% utterly wasted

[flat mist]

The game engine often adds attacks together when displaying them on the healthbar

[dim moth]

at least it comes alongside additive damage resistance

so it could be worse

[broken bear]

How does the Cdr for the stim actually work

[vernal sluice]

TAAAAAANK

[tender marten]

yea but you could remove the up-to-100% regen completely and it would be exactly as valuable lol

[quick echo]

Not even replenishment

[dim moth]

you stick the needle in you you get cooldown reduction for 15 seconds (20 with the talent)

[quick echo]

Smh

[tender marten]

did someone say TANK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-D9LrFJd4

[dim moth]

or well 25% cooldown reduction, and 75% on kill with your gun/melee to taste

[silver mural]

Cdr is also really helpful potentially to other classes if running box. I'm sure with a taunt, shout, and shield on your team and a cdr box you will do awesome

[dim moth]

yeah

[tired prairie]

I don’t want to be the ideas guy, but ideally that path should just give % toughness recovery per second

[cold turtle]

you are giving up a lot of personal flexibility for that though

[tired prairie]

Kind of like what one of Adrenaline upgrades does

[flat mist]

I was making max CD stim + 4 stack chem dependency work today

[honest iron]

The corruption on the stim pack for hive scum is broken and doesn’t work.

[silver mural]

Yeah i think it would be cool if the tanky stimm let you be tanky

[flat mist]

I could get it up to 4 stacks with a couple of whiffs at most

[sand tendon]

ok yeah so it was adding the tick to the attack @amber sundial

[flat mist]

And then you've got heaps of breathing room to use your stimm before you go back down to 2 stacks

[sturdy linden]

lmfao

[silver mural]

I think politics is off limits here lol thats a dangerous name

[tender marten]

there's nothing political about waste disposal

[silver mural]

Actually they have a lot of laws about waste disposal

[tender marten]

YEAH WELL UR FACE IS DUMB

[cedar cairn]

Took me a second to get it lmao

[silver mural]

;-;

[mossy sedge]

How do people like the new class positive or negative

[cold turtle]

I am surprised they didn't treat the stimpack as a second source of the stim itself. Keeping 100% stim uptime on even a maxed out stim doesn't seem as strong as adrenaline, and gives the same amount of rending as desperado

[flat mist]

Pretty key infrastructure exploits.

[placid prairie]

I see, thank you

[flat mist]

You should be ashamed.

[amber sundial]

Ah alright

[tiny dock]

I actually have it set up to alternate. Use Desperado, regen Stimm faster off of kills thanks to that one perk on the right, (forgot what it's called,) use Stimm with Ability regen on ranged kills, use Desperado again, repeat.

[tender marten]

im all in and enjoy it

[silver mural]

Class is awesome. Itd ranged and melee is super chaotic and you do a ton of damage

[placid prairie]

Oh shit, hey! Sorry for not responding, was heading back to my dorm from class haha

[tired prairie]

Positive. It's a change of pace from other classes in terms of how easily you can get away with some things.

[dense hollow]

compared to arbites im having more fun with this class

[silver mural]

You can be what knife zealot wish they could be

[mossy sedge]

This is good to hear hopefully ill be able to level soon

[dense hollow]

higher stakes than just feeling immortal in most content

[cold turtle]

it's definitely fun, but it doesn't seem really standout compared to most other classes. It's definitely more fun than arbites for me

[dense hollow]

more adrenaline going through for putting more effort

[leaden estuary]

so how goods the class

[amber sundial]

Very positive it’s fun to get high power and just shred stuff, unfortunately if you do start taking dmg it’s gonna hurt

[silver mural]

Also the female anarchist iirc says stinky stinky stinky when throwing a chem grenade and thats funny

[dense hollow]

the class has almost no cushions for you to fall back on if you make a mistake

[low harbor]

The ability regen part is the strongest route

[silver mural]

For sure, other then like a super specific build that maximizes all possible sourced of tough regen and dr

[tiny dock]

You're either good at the game and you like the Hive Scum, or you're bad at the game and hate Hive Scum.

jk :]

[silver mural]

Im bad at the game and love hive scum

[mossy sedge]

I do notice hvs going down a lot

They are squish

[amber sundial]

Yea we have like 3 total dmg reduction nodes lol

[dire oak]

Any other gamers been playing the new class with a ranged spec with Double Barreled shotgun? Easily one of my favorite builds in the game rn. Infinite ammo Double Barreled is such a blast honestly.

[silver mural]

Tbf the top 1 percent of players are saying the class is hard and demanding

Seeing good players die over and over in their streams of all scum runs was funny

[grand jewel]

such a blast

[low harbor]

Because hvs builds early on are essentially picking between “get shredded by ragers” vs “get shredded by gunners”

[cedar cairn]

Scum are made of tissue paper and will die the second they get stuck lol

[flat mist]

Yeah definitely doesn't have instant throw stun grenades. 50% toughness on losing your toughness. The strongest aoe damage grenade in the game. The best dodges in the game. Nothing to bail you out at all.

[dense hollow]

those are things that help you prevent making mistakes

but if you end up making a mistake you fold like paper

[rotund agate]

btw, is it weird I am just now grinding out needler masteries?

my reasoning for postponing it for this long is that I wanted to have my Scum be Borderlands-styled, and couldn't figure out any real purpose a Borderlands-style psycho could have for a relatively high-tech (compared to the dual uzis) pistol. (the gun-wielding enemies in Borderlands aren't psychos, but rather the psychos' slightly-more-sane mates)

however, now that I think about it, I could just pretend the needler is just a Maliwan-brand pistol (Maliwan in Borderlands is the gun brand with both a high-tech look and a DoT focus).

[tiny dock]

They are very squish. But when you get higher level Scums, they zoom around the battlefield like wizard lizards and shred everything with a particularly heretical pulse.

Then, they go down.

[livid raven]

it's not high tech at all

[silver mural]

Those are preventative, not cures. And most things thst break your tough are doing a lot of health damage but fair the 50 percent on break is technically a safety net

[livid raven]

it's a pistol that shoots blowdarts

[mossy sedge]

Whatre the "must take" nodes regardless of build

[livid raven]

it's the opposite of high tech

[compact oyster]

Hive scum has no passive toughness generation

[flat mist]

Meh I'm just used to right side psyker

[silver mural]

Yeah needler is like the easiest gun to use

[dire oak]

The dodge nodes between blitz and aura

[flat mist]

Y'all are soft

[compact oyster]

This is why the class feels so fragile

[cold turtle]

pickpocket and the 25 toughness node before the skills

[dense hollow]

psyker is a lot tankier than he used to be pre-talent overhaul

considerably tankier right now than hive scum

[dire oak]

Specifically the middle collumn

[flat mist]

10% ranged damage and 10% toughness damage reduction

[obsidian crown]

Pickpocket

[mossy sedge]

Is pickpocket truly mandatory

[tender marten]

I can do without pickpocket frankly

[obsidian crown]

At least if you’re doing havocs

[compact oyster]

Psyker has the best survivability node now

[grand jewel]

pickpocket is so goofy

[compact oyster]

All damage is reduced by 25% and converted to peril

[cold turtle]

pickpocket is the most busted skill for hivescum yes.

[dire oak]

Pickpocket is easily one of the most insane talents ever in Havoc.

[low harbor]

No

[rotund agate]

it looks more high-tech than the uzis/stub pistols, and one of the needler mk descriptions says the needler uses lasers to fire the needles...

[low harbor]

But it’s pretty op

[flat mist]

I've been used to psyker for years. I have videos playing columnus, no assail gunker from like 18 months ago on my page. Scum has more utility than that by miles

[low harbor]

Pickpocket is like survivalist pro max plus

lol

[calm aurora]

it's like survivalist on drugs

[random shuttle]

Pickpocket + Despacito means for the first time ever I feel not just comfy to unload into hordes, but EAGER to unload into hordes.

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[random shuttle]

Never was below 500 ammo to my uzis 😄

[flat mist]

It's like survivalist took drugs then cucked you with your sister

[rotund agate]

in every sense of the word!

[deep thorn]

Normally I can understand nodes just fine, but I do not understand how hyperviolence works.

[tiny dock]

Exactly!

[silver mural]

That doesnt change their category silly goose. Successfully dodging isnt a safety net, its preventative.

Being good with a class doesnt change that, it just means you are good at using the prevention tools

[flat mist]

Over kill damage gets added to your next hits. But only a quarter of it

That's it.

[random shuttle]

Want a full writeup or just one sentence summary? 😄

Summary: It's great, use it

[versed spruce]

So you're admitting you would be into your sister?

[deep thorn]

Irosk got me covered. Also I made a lawn mower build with the dual shivs.

[silver mural]

The internet has used cucked so much it forgot what the word meant

[deep thorn]

just tursn out I was really over complicating it lol.

[flat mist]

We have a unique and special relationship. Plenty of siblings eat pasta like Lady and the Tramp. It's normal.

[steep goblet]

Anyone have a build for getting alchemist done? You have to have chem dependency for 2000 seconds (aka 33 minutes)

[random shuttle]

It's when someones buys you a Coocoo clock for Xmas

[broken bear]

Cucking is what I do to your father

[amber sundial]

Remember to let dependency run out before the mission ends

[low harbor]

I take pickpocket even for melee build just to not need ammo pickup ever lmao

[versed spruce]

NARITA BRIAN

[amber sundial]

Or it doesn’t update

[dire oak]

I did it with a melee build with knives. Was pretty fun.

[stoic halo]

people are playing the new event map like it's a regular auric and getting fucking obliterated

[silver mural]

Do a game with only friends on the easiest diff and chat while you stack for 33 minutes lmao

[thick wharf]

Actually sounds very interesting, might give that a go

[steep goblet]

You act like i have those

[deep thorn]

It's a joke between me and my friends because my first name is Bryan lol.

[stoic halo]

it's the same mistakes every single time

[grand jewel]

I've been running this, not real sold on a fair few nodes but its been alot of fun, with a just cooldown stim, so I ability, kill alot of things, run out of ability, use stim, kill alot of things, get ability back quickly, wait till stim rounds out while killing things, ability and kill things to refresh stim and blackouts with the blitz toxin is super good

mucho fun

[tiny dock]

I'll bet that can be a snow ball. Over damage leads to killing something with more over damage. The 25 cap probably only prevents oneshoting elites and stuff.

[flat mist]

Yeah fair enough, I was sort of conceding by saying that yeah I'm just used to not having those safety nets or whatever

[silver mural]

We are all friends here, im sure someone could help you out

[flat mist]

It can.

[amber sundial]

You can two shot a DH with it

[flat mist]

Cole posted a video of a DH one shot

[amber sundial]

so :)

[tiny dock]

Oh Lord...

Fair enough.

[cold turtle]

does hyperviolence work with the chem toxin dots? Edit: specifically does it work when an enemy is killed by the dot, not that the talent affects the dot damage itself

[dire oak]

What are you guys's opinion on the middle capstone? I tend to just take Chem Dependancy instead for my melee build. Get another nice chunk of crit chance and defences. But, miss out on a bit of damage, attack speed and toughness recovery.

[silver mural]

Yeah for sure a melee psyker or gunker or a knife zealot who runs a squishy build would 100 percent feel comfy in this class compared to someone who mains arbites

[flat mist]

BTW scum, don't use hypercritical atm. It breaks the toughness on hit/weakspot/crit talent.

[amber sundial]

It’s nice for the toughness regen imo

[willow vine]

Can somebody please explain the sprint dodge angle thing?

[low harbor]

Yea it’s pretty funny when Rashad can 1 tap mauler lol

[flat mist]

Go do the tutorial then come back if you still don't understand.

[deep thorn]

It's great. Stack it with attack speed nodes and the attack speed stims from your modifier and turn on rampage, you become a lawn mower.

[random shuttle]

adrenaline might not be flashy but for me it's very dependable, because it needs nothing of you - it rewards you for what you already do on melee build; Bashing stuff

[amber sundial]

Increases angle you dodge shots when running perpendicularly

[dire oak]

5% just isn't that much tho. Especially with how low the toughness is for HS

[willow vine]

Eat shit

[low harbor]

If vulture’s dodge didn’t exist, adrenaline would be hvs’s best keystone

[flat mist]

Dickhead it's literally explained in there

[silver mural]

Yeah hyper crit seems to break a few things. The activation doesnt seem to effect on kill or hit effects but i havent used it that much so could be wrong about that universally being the case

[flat mist]

Like the one thing it actually does

[compact oyster]

That was with 3s hyper violence

[cold turtle]

I don't think vulture's dodge is that great.

[grand jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1445705166337609839/image.png?ex=6932a2db&is=6931515b&hm=e4032124e13564c86327b580a9a4c4c5ab48f34ffc737d549de7baca50038d62&

[obsidian crown]

???????

[cold turtle]

desperado already gives ranged invulnerability

[amber sundial]

It works the same but is just on shorter duration

[willow vine]

Thank you!

[cold turtle]

and vultures only triggers on ranged damage

[obsidian crown]

And when it’s on cooldown? What then?

[low harbor]

While sprinting with stamina, enemies’ ranged attacks from ~20 degrees to your left / right can be auto dodged

[flat mist]

Yeah definitely doesn't trigger grenade recharge, also the bonesaw's second tick wasn't triggering something for me earlier... goddamn what was it.

[silver mural]

Its the angle that you auto dodge gunfire while sprinting. Usually perpendicular to the enemy

[flat mist]

That's irrelevant.

[low harbor]

With that talent the angle gets noticeably wider and the dodge effect stays active even if you run out of stamina

[obsidian crown]

Stupid take. (Secretcow’s)

[tiny dock]

Ah. Sprinting with stamina in a perpendicular direction of the enemy firing at you automatically "dodges" the shots. Increasing the sprint dodge angle allows you to run more diagonally from the guy to gain the same effect.

[vernal sluice]

Is hyperviolent broken too? Apparently it nulls out damage bonuses from other talents

[compact oyster]

I might actualy drop hyper violence for hyper critical

[paper quiver]

game performance broken
gulp
guys?

[willow vine]

Thank you brotherly darktide community for your explanations

[dire oak]

I feel like that is a bit of exxaggeration. It is good. But, it isn't a talent in a vacuum. Gotta compare it to what the other capstones would offer in return.

[low harbor]

Instakill has always been unable to proc these effects

[flat mist]

You learn to dodge, man.

[cold turtle]

Just don't get shot. Plus it's 1s on critical shots. I would rather have chemical dependency on a ranged build so I can have desperado up more often than vultures dodge on max stats

[low harbor]

I still think hypercrit is very good

[silver mural]

Always remember to say yes to drugs

[obsidian crown]

When you’re using dual autopistols….

[flat mist]

No, that's not what I'm talking about. It literally stops the talent working for the rest of the mission.

[candid flare]

1st roll at grunts for dual stubs is perfect 60mob

[compact oyster]

Ive seen little use out of hyper violence

[manic wolf]

Jup, an sometimes you'er nto gonna kill an enemy in one hit, sometimes even when you do, its because of direct damage and not the skill, so its still super worth taking both the talent and the toughness regain node

[flat mist]

You'll be smacking stuff and not getting anything back

[low harbor]

Yea, if vulture’s dodge didn’t exist, adrenaline is basically the strongest cuz 25% melee damage and 10% atk speed essentially for free is huge for basically almost every melee weapon hvs has access to

[candid flare]

And I was the one saying rolling below 30 is a waste

[tender marten]

how exactly does Hyperviolence work with bromentum, anyone know? I assume it's some real shenanigans.

[silver mural]

Awesome sauce, i also got perfect stubs

[cold turtle]

again 1 second on critical hits, plus there is reloading. if you are treating it like desperado you will die

[manic wolf]

Its easily procced too

[low harbor]

I take both hypercrit and hyperV

[low harbor]

It is very funny

[obsidian crown]

It’s autopistols. Auto.

[compact oyster]

Didnt cole say that theyre anti synergy

[low harbor]

I cannot describe how it works

[cold turtle]

you have to reload. reload

[subtle summit]

Is the alchemist penance bugged? Doesnt seem to be tracking at all.

[tender marten]

I can't either and I've reread Kuli's description like ten times lmao

[manic wolf]

Someone said with Heavy Sword an Hyperviolence they were killing 12 enemies per swing, so I expect with Bromentum its absurdly strong

[compact oyster]

Cause hyper critical is an instakill effect thus doesnt generate overkill damage

[amber sundial]

Only updates when stack drops below max

[silver mural]

Adrenaline also seems so easy to proc while vultures keystone can be tough depending on team comp and diff if people steal kills or lower diffs with less spawns

[low harbor]

This is really not what people like to think it is

It depends on what ur melee is

[obsidian crown]

Brother. I’ve hard carried aurics and taken 100 or less damage with it.

[flat mist]

Assuming the same way it does with any cleaving attacks. A new kill will override the buff with whatever the new number is. It should make BM skyrocket, fingers crossed

[dire oak]

Taking 10% attack speed, 25% damage and 5% toughness recovery is good. But, you are weighing it against 40% cdr, 20% toughness DR and 20% crit chance for a melee build. I feel like both are rather similar in power.

[subtle summit]

So I have to, at some point, drop a stack before the mission ends?

[low harbor]

On smth like Rashad that inherently gets a lot of overkill, u get both working quite well

[obsidian crown]

You combine shooting with sliding especially when desperado is down. You’ll have super high vulture’s dodge uptime

[cold turtle]

I think we are arguing something that is personal taste. I prefer chem dependence you prefer vultures.

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hl2-halflife2-achievement-04-trusty-hardware-gif-21479722

[silver mural]

Tbf reloading on a gun build is going to be likely 2 seconds or less. So its not much downtime on crits

[dense hollow]

also leads into the node that makes your stim recover faster, if you have a good stim

[tender marten]

So like my bromentum procs, it kills five people. Does my next swing benefit from the overkill damage on ALL of those five kills? And then my next swing is some gargantuan fucken damage number?

[dense hollow]

but the toughness nodes on the bottom middle are core for melee builds

[manic wolf]

Chem dependance is kinda great

[dense hollow]

so you'll be right next to adrenaline too

[low harbor]

That’s what I thought then I played both for penances and came to the conclusion that adrenaline is the strongest if vulture’s dodge didn’t exist

[random shuttle]

yes

[manic wolf]

Not sure when its added, might even be added immediately on that swing, each enemy being a seperate damage instance for example

[zealous basin]

Keystoneless support build is what I'm rocking on stim supply rn cuz chemical dependency is anti synergy with it rn

[silver mural]

I bet the damage is insane when stimm, rampage, and adrenaline all line up

[dire oak]

Also, question. Idk how that works. But, are different sources of attack speed multiplicative? Since you already get such a large amount of base attack speed with this class between Swift Endurance and Rampage.

[low harbor]

Not multiplicative, they’re kinda weird

[silver mural]

Im gonna try melee focussed next. With either taxe or knife

[low harbor]

They’re not linear increase to atk speed

Atk speed bonuses in this game work by reducing the chain time between actions

[tender marten]

has to be on the next swing pretty sure

[tender marten]

ridiculous

[zealous basin]

Dear fatshark if you're listening I would really appreciate it if you got a stack of chemical dependency for using stim supply

[versed spruce]

Feels good doing the spin to snipe a sniper sitting four carts back on the train mission

[random shuttle]

also yes

😄

[manic wolf]

It doesnt specify that, but this is Fatshark wording, though i've heard of people getting crazy milage out of it

[low harbor]

Would take both tbh

[flat mist]

@low harbor

[low harbor]

Yea haymaker has always been unable to proc on-kill conditions

This has been a thing for years

[flat mist]

Read the goddamn words man

[silver mural]

I have a question, if stimm supply did stack dependancy would it make sense to have it on a supply box build?

Wouldnt its cdr be useless since your stimm likely comes back quicker and resets the box cooldown

[flat mist]

It's for the rest of the game.

[low harbor]

Oh wait

[zealous basin]

Lol

[low harbor]

Which talent gets turned off?

Hypercrit?

[flat mist]

The one I linked.

[zealous basin]

Yes

[low harbor]

Oh lol

[rose flax]

precision violence

[sand tendon]

when that says anymore does that mean for the rest of the match?

[low harbor]

Damn that’s sad

[flat mist]

Yes

[sand tendon]

ah

[flat mist]

The two talents cannot be taken together

[versed spruce]

Doesn't Arby have a talent that's just on-hit toughness, except it CAN proc multiple per swing

[flat mist]

Until this is fixed

[tender marten]

so you're saying it's balanced

[low harbor]

Ykw at least this isn’t as broken as arb launch

[manic wolf]

I've not noticed that being a problem, but maybe im just goated 😄

[bronze glade]

just completely off?

that's insane lol

[versed spruce]

Also I swore last night I was playing with scum and could proc multiple per swing

[rose flax]

Same I didn't even notice until I payed attention, was killing way too often with shivs lol

[grand jewel]

yes

[low harbor]

Damn I guess I have to take +15% clip size over hypercrit

[grand jewel]

it would be useless

[low harbor]

Sad

[manic wolf]

I'm not even gonna look for it tbh, just let it roll now an then when its fixed we'll feel super tanky lule

[silver mural]

Is the two emergency toughness regain talents still breaking each other? Ive heard if you take both they wont activate at the same time even if the situation would normally make sense for both to proc

[flat mist]

I was wondering why the fuck my toughness was going up so slowly but too busy slamming m1 and dodging like a hero to properly comprehend for ages lmao

[dim moth]

hive scum finally gonna get that ancient bug with instant kills fixed

[obsidian crown]

Surely

[rose flax]

For now, adrenaline can do better, and toxic renewal

[manic wolf]

Yeah, Adrenaline is kinda cracked, though i'll confess i dont even have the toughness node on that specced so in actuality im playing with base toughness regen

[rose flax]

though I have no idea if renewal even works with dot/tox damage or if you literally have to be the last damage for it to work

[nocturne anvil]

hypercrit doesn't even work with dual pistols anyways

so I dont take it there

[rose flax]

melee only

[low harbor]

It’s melee only

[manic wolf]

Its for Shivs or stuff like DClaw

[nocturne anvil]

I swear to GOD it doesn't say that

[rose flax]

hence 'strikes'

[manic wolf]

Stuff that doesnt inherently have good breakpoints

[nocturne anvil]

"Strikes"

[low harbor]

It doesn’t, but it’s coded as such

[nocturne anvil]

ok

Odd placement to have that in the deadeye tree then

[silver mural]

Deadeye has another melee buff on it doesnt it

[manic wolf]

not really, makes your melee better without having to massively invest in it

[rose flax]

dude game description made it seem like melee damage without dot had to be the kill, it's literally just free toughness

[nocturne anvil]

Yeah but then...
You'll have to go out of your way from the melee tree to take it.
And then it apparently bugs out the main melee toughness generator too

[silver mural]

I thought it was huh

It still says melee attack, you are saying the dot can proc it?

[compact oyster]

This will be so peak with needler

[rose flax]

I thought it meant, the enemy can't be killed by the tox effect

[compact oyster]

Too bad needler is anti synergy with desperado since it does terrible damage and only the DOT deals the damage

[silver mural]

I need to test that before i believe the dot can proc it

Or see a video

[novel quest]

I hope we get a patch soon. I really want the crit thing on stub pistols fixed to get the most out of it

[rose flax]

Yeah even with 60% spread reduction they feel awkard at far range

[novel quest]

because I feel like I could be inflicting so many chem tox stats rn with more crits

[manic wolf]

Wait the crits for procs is only on melee no?

[novel quest]

I dont have a problem with that, just pistol flourish

[rose flax]

Yes

[compact oyster]

Yes

[manic wolf]

Thought so

[compact oyster]

Only melee hits proc the toxin stacks

[novel quest]

oh yea

well anyway

I want

[compact oyster]

Otherwise autopistols would destroy the game

[novel quest]

big crits

[silver mural]

Imagine the autos with chem lol

[dense hollow]

crit bonus will be more crit dmg so thatll be epic

also the reload speed being fixed?

[manic wolf]

Needle gun made instatly irrelevant lmao

[dense hollow]

thatll be epic too

[silver mural]

See that crusher? I dont want too

[compact oyster]

Needler still deletes hordes

[novel quest]

crushers are really easy to kill with needler if you're maximizing ammo efficiency

ngl needler needs a little nerf

[low harbor]

The dual autos doesn’t have crit string I think?

[novel quest]

I shouldn't be able to three shot Crushers

[silver mural]

Its absolutely hilarious to me tho that desperado builds can stack so many buffs that braced, shredders and twin autos kill crushers

[compact oyster]

I think it might be the best weapon in the game for mixed hordes in aoe mode with the aoe toxin mark

[manic wolf]

Ofc, but if Autos had toxin on crit perks, they would delete everything lmao

Anyway, I'm off to masscre more heretics with my .50cal Hi-Points, innabit

[knotty cipher]

is crowb saw or shivs better for killing crushers?

[low harbor]

The disperse one or the explosion on death one

[novel quest]

inclined to say bone saw

[compact oyster]

Explosion on death whilst in blue mode

[low harbor]

They’re ~equal in carapace dps assuming similar melee spec

[compact oyster]

So you have aoe toxin alongside toxin explosions

[silver mural]

Crowbar is prolly the best... bone saw is great. Idk about shivs

[novel quest]

I seriously don't get what people see in the fuckin crowbar

I just cannot make it work

[silver mural]

Crowbars added benefit of stun locking the crusher is a point in its favour too

[cold turtle]

im with you there. I think the shiv is probably best for crushers

[random shuttle]

Stunlock on demand, smooth modes, good in both modes even if not amazing

[dense hollow]

crowbar one shots a lot of things on a melee spec with h1 swing

[novel quest]

the blunt end sucks but at least the hook is good

[tribal hatch]

hit the enemies with it

[novel quest]

and take... 6 years to kill a dreg gunner on heresy?

[random shuttle]

huh?

[silver mural]

Crowbar felt horrid to me on a ranged builds but ive seen the stupid shit players can do with it

[novel quest]

with rampage stacked?

[random shuttle]

two hits for gunner 😄

[low harbor]

Nah crowbar takes 2 to kill gunners in auric in blunt mode

[silver mural]

Have you tried the beak mode

[tribal hatch]

yeah just heavy heavy

[dense hollow]

crowbar heavy 1 is a juiced move

[compact oyster]

Tip for specials and elites use the beak mode

[novel quest]

I mean I'll try crowbar again

I just

[cold turtle]

how many heavies does it take to kill a gunner with a shiv

[novel quest]

do not see it

[low harbor]

I still think Rashad is by far hvs’s strongest melee pick

[main trellis]

Wdym weapon is fking simple
Simple combos, simple moveset, not sluggish, good push attack

[silver mural]

Crowbar has innate thrust, high armour pen on beak moves and the class has insane damage buffs.

You can prolly 2 shot a daemon host with the right set up

[thin crag]

what perks do you guys run on the bone saw?

[low harbor]

Unyielding carapace

[sturdy linden]

flak/carapace

[thin crag]

shred and shock an awe aswell?

[dense hollow]

i used crowbar and in my testing i was one shotting ragers and gunners when hitting the head with the simple first heavy attack on a melee spec

[novel quest]

my problem is I cannot make it do the damage

[main trellis]

Build?

[low harbor]

Works

[novel quest]

is it just the heavy attacks are saucy?

[cold turtle]

why carapace on the bonesaw?