hivescum-class

[vast yoke]

oh my god

[flat mist]

nah fatshark confirmed this was intended

[vast yoke]

it all makes sense

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

mfw a glass cannon is made of glass

[rare idol]

Agree, it’s psyker but extra drugs. Theres a reason all the gunkers are here

[versed spruce]

Psyker with no ridiculous infinite cleave options

[near vapor]

I mean its an aggro ranged class

also just stack toughness curios and toughness perk on it

[clever wren]

scummer invasion fucked over the servers and make everyone get Error 2004'ed and die

[honest shale]

Psyker is my main. This isn't.

[crude robin]

I really need more talent points

too weak still

but leveling up takes a while :P

[near vapor]

people are just bad

[winter tusk]

the hilarity of releasing arbitrator as a brainless tank, then releases a wet tissue afterward is such a chad powermove by obesefish

[faint fossil]

honestly i was having a hard time enjoying hive scum till around lv 16

[winter tusk]

its great

[faint fossil]

now it all fits together pretty nicely

[near vapor]

almost as if all class feels bad until you max level it

[winter tusk]

its definitely made of wet paper, even worse if you're underleveled

[lavish parrot]

So true

[clever wren]

what do you mean I don't get +15% damage reduction and +15% damage for having my hand on the mouse

[winter tusk]

good to not jump difficulties unless you can handle it

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[north saddle]

Played the gunner, the chemist and the melee version.

The chemist probably has best havoc potential with Dot, Survivability, damage, needle pistol, etc.

The gunner is my absolute favorite, always wanted an up close viable gunner character and arbites could kinda do it If you squinted hard enough and Veteran could do it If you abused grenades and voc.

But this class with the gunner tree...yeah, this is it. This is where i belong

The melee felt underwhelming. The penalty after the ability wears off is especially punishing. Ooof.

[broken bear]

scummer is classic dps

simple

[zealous ravine]

wuh is that even actually bugged

[near vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/ketchup-cowboy-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squirting-ketchup-condiment-attack-gif-27130539

^ desperado

[zealous ravine]

i get +5% crit chance when i shoot and +25% when i trick shot

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/condiments-guns-ketchup-mustard-gun-gif-5392399430551573601

[zealous ravine]

whath the frick is that kill it now

[winter tusk]

Hate it

[vale garden]

Tempting to rename my arby to ScumDenial

[winter tusk]

ScumOnTheFloor

[autumn yacht]

The bazooka, boom bringer definitely needs a major buff. It feels so underwhelming, it looks cool but is caca vs chem grenades or veteran krak grenades.

[forest willow]

Its the blast radius imo

[rich carbon]

how we feelin about crowbar

[abstract lichen]

Chem grenades last soooo long

[abstract inlet]

Is desperado and stimm the only reliable way to survive gunner wave?

[near vapor]

no

[amber sundial]

taking cover exists

[abstract lichen]

It helps alot

[lavish parrot]

The alt mode is weird but I love it

[near vapor]

dodge slide. dodge sprint angle

[abstract inlet]

And I do

[abstract lichen]

And scum one of the first classes I need to retreat behind cover

[near vapor]

force them into melee

[abstract lichen]

[rich carbon]

also what blessings on stub pistols

[fervent steppe]

I feel like this class is currently suffering due to every mission being mostly scum so there are barely any tanks or supports

[near vapor]

there is no real defined tank or support lel

[mellow carbon]

In a Mortis Trial, I fought against a Plague Ogryn and Beast of Nurgle at the same time and killed both, only for the game to freeze and kick me out of the mission from an unexpected error.

[abstract lichen]

Crossing no man's land without desperado wouldn't be a hold W affair

[abstract inlet]

Not complaining about it being hard, only complaining that im only lvl 20

[near vapor]

any class feels better once you max level it

[fervent steppe]

i know, but most ogryns are tanky, most veterans support in someway, most psykers do crowd controll etc.

[mellow carbon]

Melee hivescum is amazing and I love it.

[fervent steppe]

currently most missions are 4 hive scums trying to play neraly perfectly the entire time

[abstract lichen]

Once you get adrenaline and rampage going bonesaw melee is amazing

[mellow carbon]

Ah well, the numbers suggest I was doomed anyway. I was the last one alive.

[mellow carbon]

I didn't have a good one of those yet, I had the crowbar.

[tepid hare]

shiv feels like combat knife but worse

[near vapor]

nope

[bronze glade]

all classes have to do everything

[abstract lichen]

It's kinda true if you don't use the throwing knives

[fervent steppe]

shivs are better

[mellow carbon]

+stamina relics for the attack speed boost, strength-finesse stim and attack speed stim. It feels like the game had good reason to drop me like that.

[abstract lichen]

But the throwing toxic knives are so good

[abstract inlet]

"Waaa, my stabs are bouncing off the crusher"

[rare idol]

How are people blowing themselves up with scum? I’ve seen people do it idk how

[amber sundial]

rocket launcher?

[abstract lichen]

Uncanny much lower stacks than combat knife

[rare idol]

No way I’d have killed a teammate by now if it was rocket

[ripe seal]

ok powderburn makes such a massive difference for the akimbo smgs

[abstract lichen]

Also lower dps because PA isn't anywhere near as good

[fervent steppe]

In order to see how well this class preforms in "normal" missions we will need to wait a while.

[rare idol]

🦴 saw

[abstract inlet]

No wonder I can't do damnation at lvl 20 😂

[patent bone]

I LOVE GUNS!!!

[cursive mica]

I am realizing something

[patent bone]

I WANT MORE GUNS!!!!

[neon mango]

man the bonesaw feels awkward as fuck

[vale garden]

woof I just THREW myself off the stairs cause of the insane dodge range

[rare idol]

Drug addicts don’t get good guns

[cursive mica]

what's the point of the dual autos

[fast wind]

got around to doing chem build, Crackhead of the northstar with that explosive strain

[steep vale]

:(

[near vapor]

desperado

[crude robin]

are there any ways to heal/get damaged less

[cursive mica]

the shredder just feels better

[rare idol]

Owning bad dudes hard

[mellow carbon]

I don't have the materials for it, but I wanna try the bolt pistol point blank explosion setup with desperado.

[cursive mica]

using desperado

[ripe seal]

i only have like level 2 powderburn but it makes the akimbos SMGs feel like the unbraced single shredder. I'm not sure if I noticed the suppression bonuses but i'm sure they're both pretty good

[patent bone]

But we're great WITH guns!!

[fervent steppe]

its also arguably their best guns

[abstract inlet]

Too bad, just need new muscle memory

[fast wind]

spraying down crowds, been enjoying them a lot

[near vapor]

shredder is 😴

[cursive mica]

the shredder's reload is what's making me question this

[patent bone]

Very fast shooties

[rare idol]

You must learn to 🦴

[near vapor]

I put reload speed perk and speedloader for my autopistol

[abstract inlet]

They RIP, whatya mean?

[near vapor]

Im reload speed MAXXING

[lavish parrot]

Big dakka

[fast wind]

thats why reload speed bufffs are a thing

[patent bone]

Also is that Ozzyman?

[drowsy relic]

dual autos are bugged and don't use reload speed buffs rn

[abstract inlet]

BONESAW IS READY

[cursive mica]

bruh

[rare idol]

No lol it’s oddball

[drowsy relic]

so when that's fixed it'll be better

[cursive mica]

I guess that explains it if that's truye

no wonder something felt so damn off

[ripe seal]

akimbo pistols have double the fire rate of the normal shredder with I think more base damage too, but it's way harder to control and has a longer reload

[near vapor]

deadass

[patent bone]

Ahh damn

[rare idol]

Who needs control just slide closer

[fervent steppe]

i need to get myself a support build i have a support for every other class

[mellow carbon]

I feel like a lot in the class needs attention. Honestly I just want the stim use keystone to actually benefit from the chem sharing setup. That, and I'll be happy.

[rare idol]

Right side

[ripe seal]

it has built in sprint and shoot but the recoil has to be mitigated, otherwise the normal shredder can hit way more accurately while moving just a bit slower

[rare idol]

Become an evil drug dillah

[cursive mica]

yeah but you've got more buffs to play with for shredsder and you have sprint firing built in

[abstract inlet]

As a former brauto fan, bursting is fine for me

[fervent steppe]

that side feels terrible to use ngl

[patent bone]

Honestly they need to bring Ozzyman to make a fourth personality

[ripe seal]

right side I think takes the most to really get working but I'm having fun on it

[cursive mica]

these are what I'm using rn

[rare idol]

IKR I hate being super strong and just deleting bosses

[craggy jewel]

Alright about 2 days now. How is it?

[lost bear]

Great fun

[craggy jewel]

Arbites or Veteran?

[cursive mica]

extremely fun

[lost bear]

Will punish shit fundamentals hard

[cursive mica]

it's skill issue: the class

[patent bone]

FUN AS HELL

[lost bear]

Massive ego check

[hearty crest]

I've died more then another class. Feels nice actually having to think.

[cursive mica]

without a shred of irony

[rare idol]

Farquad

[fervent steppe]

the right side of the tree feels terrible, in 90% of the game, bosses get deleted but hordes take too long

[mellow carbon]

You're a broken glass shiv. You're killing just about everything until you shatter.

[craggy jewel]

ANOTHER DPS CLASS?!

[rare idol]

🦴

[waxen crypt]

Flashbacks to Guild Wars 2 dungeons with no class that can hold aggro...

[craggy jewel]

Could it be so?!

[near vapor]

youre not a surviving a crusher overhead like arbitrator/10

[worn gull]

The right side feels great to me. You can't run crate with dependency though which is stupid

[near vapor]

thats my rating

[bronze glade]

every class is a dps class my man

[mellow carbon]

It is THE dps class now

[knotty grotto]

is the rpg actually worth taking or is the chem blitz better in most scenarios

[patent bone]

Rpg is fun

[hearty crest]

Slippery customer enters the chat

[craggy jewel]

Ok I mean like particularly boss bursting

[safe shore]

does using the chem crate halt cooldown/usage of the cartel special???

[patent bone]

The backblast can light enemies on fire

[cursive mica]

do the dual autos have inate crit?

[bronze glade]

every class can do that, it's just a matter of build

[tender marten]

probably

[near vapor]

fire this man's barber

[mellow carbon]

It uses your use. If you don't have the cartel special ready, you don't get to share the stim.

[craggy jewel]

Any class can deal with everything

But boss bursting is more limited

[ripe seal]

the crate isn't worth using without the stim but you need at least 5 more levels pass when you get the crate to unlock the ability to spam the stim out more

[high gull]

If you have no game sense this class will be abaoslutely dreadful to use

[cursive mica]

I rem,ember seeing clips of the crowbar gouing nuts but I can't replicate it

[craggy jewel]

Bolter with Arbites kinda I guess

[cursive mica]

on crushers

[safe shore]

but it doesnt give a stack of dependancy??? aww...

[cursive mica]

I need an anti crusher tool

[young herald]

chem grenade is by far the best blitz scum has, it's super overpowered. That said, the rpg works just fine

[high gull]

You fold like wet paper but hurt like tazing someone who just jumped out of the pool

[craggy jewel]

Ogryn has that one ranged stubber build

[bronze glade]

anything with bolter, vraks IAG, rumbler.. which means any class

[crude robin]

chem for AOE and RPG for single target

[craggy jewel]

Having an Arbites or Ogryn solves this

[vale garden]

The one problem I have with the shivs is that you can slap a gunner 5 times and they wont flinch

[rare idol]

Alt mode crowbar

[mellow carbon]

I've managed, it's really fun to just disassemble a heretic head first.

[high gull]

@near vapor This might be my dedicated desperado fit

[cursive mica]

yes but I need it for when one of them is a dumbass and I wanna kill the crusher

[cursive mica]

what blessings

[rare idol]

Just delete the crushers with crowbar

[abstract inlet]

Die to splash anyway

[rare idol]

You can also tox the crushers down fast as right side

[near vapor]

is that a penance award

[fervent steppe]

Infact, if anyone has a more supportive build or a Toxin build could they DM it me or post it here, i've tried making my own but no success.

[craggy jewel]

Eh even with the best build possible with Arbites bolter you aren’t really MELTING multiple bosses as quick as you want

[high gull]

Everything except the pants are penance rewards

[craggy jewel]

On Havoc mods

[paper mist]

anyone tried pocket toxin combined with blind grenades?

[mellow carbon]

Ye!

I love that combo

[high gull]

Didn't I send you mine?

[rare idol]

For spammy tox from the blitz? I plan to

[mellow carbon]

It's good as a "Oh shit" button when you need to res someone

[fervent steppe]

you sent the gunner build.

[young herald]

it's the only grenade worth taking that talent with tbh

[high gull]

Oh my bad doc

[craggy jewel]

More then doable in a group but it’s not like the “I’m telling this boss to fuck off” like Stubbergryn or Zealot

[near vapor]

why you gotta use that jawline replacement head tho

[craggy jewel]

So I hope Hive is another boss killer

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1420077977949175968/6166801.MP4?ex=6931b0ad&is=69305f2d&hm=e32e14c219602611311c8ecd37014b7e651185219262771ba65108744f805c41&

[near vapor]

brother did not survive the barfight unscathed

[proud rapids]

what is the difference brtween the needle pistols?

[mellow carbon]

You'll toxin the weak ones as you clear a little space. Ideally, they die and give you a little breathing room on your way up and away.

[high gull]

I dunno what else to use

[craggy jewel]

That is a weakened one and the entire team is clearly firing at it

[high gull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a080866d-c9a3-4d13-b007-6910c9e46b53/wip-team-chemist

[mellow carbon]

That said, every single run I had so far has fallen apart the moment it fell to a hive scum (like me) to res someone.

[bronze glade]

i still did 90% of the damage

[near vapor]

I like the rebreather

[bronze glade]

arbites can get 50% bonus boss damage

[craggy jewel]

I’m talking 2-3+ full bosses at once without team always helping you

[fervent steppe]

ill give this a try and return with results, do i need to play any diffrently?

[craggy jewel]

That’s what I love having a Zealot or gungryn for

[bronze glade]

you can do the same thing, just more carefully

[rare idol]

Take revive speed on your curios. I’ve solo clutched tank mission a few times now so you don’t need it but it helps

[high gull]

It's more of a backline build

It's there to ramp your team up

[craggy jewel]

Gungryn isn’t my playstyle but holy shit is it good

[fervent steppe]

whats gungryn again?

[cursive mica]

gungryn can take a hike

[craggy jewel]

Entire right tree

Stubber mainly

Highest dps in the game I think?

[neon mango]

gungryn is for stinkers
REAL ogryns get close

[cursive mica]

pbb oggy = bro is going to devour the ammo

[craggy jewel]

Yeah no pretty sure

[bronze glade]

depends on what you're shooting at but rumblergryn's prob the highest dps in the game

[fervent steppe]

Would it be possible to find that online or is it in the discord?

[lost bear]

Gungryn and ranged Arbites

[paper mist]

ive seen gungryn do some cheesy things with that lmg

[bronze glade]

too bad rumblergryn builds are for cunts

[craggy jewel]

Should be both

[lost bear]

Stupid damage, stupid ammo consumption

[craggy jewel]

A LOT of boosts

[worn gull]

Has Fatshark said anything about crate not triggering Chem Dependency?

Feels like a huge oversight

[craggy jewel]

Gungryn stacks an insane amount of multipliers

[lost bear]

And neither is relevant in Havoc

[paper mist]

autopistols are also not getting reload speed i heard

[craggy jewel]

It’s boss melting and taunt block still being a thing is why it’s still so good in Havoc

(Mainly the latter but shhhhh)

Depends on the comp

[near vapor]

its been reported I assume

[craggy jewel]

I take Gungryn for lower damage comps

Arbites for higher ones

[bronze glade]

i hope they at least fix some of the broken shit before fucking off for vacation

[mellow carbon]

Trying to get up in level has been making me want to acknowledge my pre-servitor status. I've lost at the very end when all four of us hive gangers die at the same encounter within 15 seconds of each other.

[craggy jewel]

Give them a second lol

[near vapor]

I just dont play Ogryn much

[lavish parrot]

Reminds me how half of arbites talent tree was outright broken and not working and even then it was fucking up the game

[worn gull]

Also why are there two needler marks? I'm inspecting them and there are literally no described differences

[mellow carbon]

I can't handle Ogryn unless it's the first time I fire up the game for the day. It feels glacial once I play another class.

[bronze glade]

and they still only have 2 keystone slol

[frozen herald]

I found out the left side keystone for Arbites was broken through a post, and continued to use it, knowing it was broken, solely for the highlighting of mobs

[craggy jewel]

It still doesn’t FEEL great unfortunately

Arbites is just a faster, more supportive, higher cc class, and with a smaller model

[lavish parrot]

We don't talk about the middle one

[craggy jewel]

Taunt is great but both Arbites charge and speaker are insane

And shock mines still exist

The nerf did not do nearly enough to make Ogryn better for cc still

[near vapor]

For both mks alternate fire. Mk3 needler spreads toxin on kill. The other mark gives an explosive stagger on kill instead

[rare idol]

Get the bottom right stuff that lets you spam tox and take rampage. Take the toughness stim stuff that gives you toughness as a perk. It’ll help

[craggy jewel]

It’s mainly for taunt and occasion Gungryn

[near vapor]

shield arbys my favorite

trigger the DH and just sit there like Im eating food

[rare idol]

Rampage with tox and stim spam is 👌

[craggy jewel]

Yeah and Arbites is tankier

Which seems insane but you realize how many toughness regen per second it has over Ogryn

Which

[lost bear]

Rampage single handedly makes Heavy Sword a take all comers weapon

[craggy jewel]

Toughness per second is

Insanely strong

Ogryn is basically immortal during taunt

[mellow carbon]

Oh it's the most fun I've had in this game, total. And I'm including my old veteran toughness maxing build that just would never die.

[craggy jewel]

But Arbites is even more so during CS and Speaker

[rare idol]

🦴 saw is a great time

[mellow carbon]

I'm just, despite my hours upon hours, firmly mid at this game.

[craggy jewel]

And the latter gives damage vuln, regen to team, massive damage reduction, attack speed, etc

Taunt is Ogryn’s entire purpose

That and rumbler/Gungryn

[left mirage]

So, how do you get 3000% attack speed

[craggy jewel]

Arbites just does everything else better

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-coffee-fry-futurama-gif-7671418515585323235

[worn gull]

Also I know it's a major hit to dps but if you want Desacito build to feel really tanky you just gotta run inspiring barrage

[craggy jewel]

Shock mines still turn off everything

[novel oracle]

Im so glad people are still dying so much as scum

[craggy jewel]

And Arbites has like 30% attack speed with Speaker

[near vapor]

always has been on zealot

[craggy jewel]

With shock maul

[small grail]

Hate that the cd for the stim doesn't begin until its duration is over

[craggy jewel]

It’s just like

[near vapor]

heavy sword has always been an underrated gem

[craggy jewel]

Does more damage

[high gull]

Gives everyone a chance to spectate you and say how good you are huh?

[small grail]

That just adds an effective 15 secs to the cd

[high gull]

[craggy jewel]

Ogryn charge needs to be reworked

[rare idol]

pick to crunch thru endless crusher

[novel oracle]

No it means we did our job right

[craggy jewel]

Arbites charge is just better

[novel oracle]

Strong glass cannon

[craggy jewel]

Shock Mine

[clever wren]

It could lightsaber cleave everything in a 180 arc in front of you and people would still ignore it if it sucks against carapace

[mellow carbon]

I had someone trashing me for picking scum when we wiped. He died before me so like, feedback denied.

[rare idol]

they dont vanish after shock mine, someone gotta make em go LOL

[craggy jewel]

90 seconds is more then plenty time between crusher packs if even

[high gull]

I actually wanna check and see if the steam reviews changed

[craggy jewel]

Yeah….the 4 players?

[rare idol]

of which og is one with taunt and pick

[pearl ore]

I actually had one of those yesterday but instead of being all smug I was running around the revive totem going "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck runs over i don't got this"

[high gull]

Aaaaand

Nope

[near vapor]

everyone just wants a rashad combat axe at the end of the day 😔

[craggy jewel]

Yeah but why taunt them when you can just turn them and every enemy around them off?

[pearl ore]

Flavor

[craggy jewel]

Taunt is great but it’s not shock mine

[novel oracle]

Half of the negatives are class too fragile and the other half is paid class bad

[rare idol]

because playing the same thing all the time makes you bad and also turns the game boring?

[craggy jewel]

Oh well sure

[high gull]

It's $12 man how the fuck do people now have $12

[elder needle]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[high gull]

I'm financially irresponsible

[craggy jewel]

But I’m talking “gun to my head who am I choosing?”

[high gull]

And I could still buy the shit

[pearl ore]

Certain people are mad at them charging

[craggy jewel]

But either more then works at 40

[lost bear]

Pricing isn't localised afaik

[elder needle]

the dodge-but-you-dont-dodge bug is VERY annoying

[novel oracle]

But I want it to be free
They said that subclasses would be free

[pearl ore]

Since they paid for the game

[craggy jewel]

I’m just being a greasy min maxer

[high gull]

It's cheaper in worse off countries so like...

[lost bear]

So that 12 dollars could be a lot of money to someone who's in the global south

[high gull]

If anything.

[novel oracle]

Didn't steam standardized the price between countries though

[mellow carbon]

...THa'ts a THING??? I thought it was just a skill issue on my part.

[pearl ore]

Check me if I'm wrong here but I think part of the scummers dying is their stagger isn't very high on much stuff

[craggy jewel]

Hitless was achieved in 40 so

Not clearing 40 is simply a skill issue

[high gull]

They did?

[craggy jewel]

Was just Tanner but

[novel oracle]

Like a year or so ago

[craggy jewel]

Still insane

[high gull]

Fuck me then

[near vapor]

yeah on shiv its noticeable

[high gull]

Still

[pearl ore]

An arbites with a untalented white stick can still slap a heretic around like it's live leak

[low harbor]

hopefully they fix power weapons' broken sfx quick

[novel oracle]

Are you talking about like recently?
That was auric dude

[high gull]

If you're stressing $12 for a dlc you got bigger issues going on in life big dog

[craggy jewel]

Was it auric?

I can look again

[bronze glade]

yeah that's annoying. i like power weapons because of their sfx lol

[thorny ginkgo]

facts

[near vapor]

what is meant by hitless

like no hp damage?

[short vine]

I love hive scum

[thorny ginkgo]

$12 is less than a combo at mcdonald’s

[mellow carbon]

It's why I'm so fond of crowbar with S P E E D. You don't get a turn. Surprise! Netter appeared and I wasn't listening good enough. I don't get a turn either. GG.

[pearl ore]

From what meltdowns I've seen it's not that it's 12 so much as it's a paid class when "darktide is unfinished" and "updated are free" and " I hate the fomo shop"

[worn gull]

Inflation getting nasty huh

[high gull]

My only gripe is buying the deluxe edition

I wish it had better clothes

[thorny ginkgo]

yup lmao ts crazy

[high gull]

The penance clothes are actually fire

[craggy jewel]

Ah it was mb

[iron saddle]

When fast food costs more than a sit-down restaurant. It is Indeed 😂

[mental escarp]

Live leak in the 40k universe would be insane

[short vine]

Eh, the deluxe fit is pretty clean, reminds me of dishonored

[ripe seal]

now that I look at it, none of the scum specific weapons get any impact bonuses outside of power boosts

[craggy jewel]

I assume if you can do it on Auric it’s possible on 40

[left mirage]

Not inflation. Corporate greed.

[craggy jewel]

But it took so long for a reason

[ripe seal]

I think they 're only weapons with toughness talents are the guns

[high gull]

Auric =/= Havoc 40

[near vapor]

yeaaaaah

at least the weapon skins aren't just recolors

[pearl ore]

I used to have this zealot build that took all those bad impact talents it used to have and as much attack speed as I could with a crusher

[novel oracle]

But there's a way less enemies in auric with way less health
It's literally night and day

[bronze glade]

have you ever played h40? h40 has significantly more bullshit

[mellow carbon]

I got this game on sale for like 5 bucks? Running the servers can't be cheap. They gotta keep a more frequent stream of income somehow.

[pearl ore]

It didn't do that much damage but would slap around anything like a cat toy

[tight hinge]

is crowbar a good companion for the gunslinging branch? or should i stick with something like shiv

[thorny ginkgo]

stay away

[novel oracle]

Like I too can do a hitless a auric run if I have multiple psykers babying me like he did

[high gull]

Yeah, one day we'll get pimped out golden guns

I pray

[pearl ore]

Hot take

[novel oracle]

Its really not that impressive
Just slow and boring

[obsidian crown]

lol another one in shop, no need to roll for eiither shiv or this

[pearl ore]

I would pay an upcharge to get dual Stubb's on psyker

[zealous basin]

hello I am running 4 cdr chemical dependency desperado and its pretty fun ngl

I just got the node that increases the stacks

[ripe seal]

crowbar seems like a solid all rounder, fair horde spam, option for special for some of the heavier targets, I can maybe see the tactical axe being good for gunslinger but the tact axe is just good in general

[thorny ginkgo]

the lag on these servers piss me off

[pearl ore]

That post on reddit about the needle gun dot not ticking desperado made things clear for me

[vale garden]

I do think the stim tree needs work

Like there should be a bonus while stimmed other than just corruption reduction

[high gull]

You will never be a true havoc gamer like Claeystetics

[tight hinge]

yeah tact axe seems perfect for gunslinger but i also want to level the other melee weapons, also wanted to use the crowbar because gordon freeman

[high gull]

[mighty belfry]

Enhanced gotta be one of the worst penances they've added in recent time by far

[ripe seal]

do we happen to know what the base crit chance on the akimbo SMGs are? I wantto say a single shredder is about -2% or something

[knotty grotto]

leveling on heresy is miserable good lord

[novel oracle]

Lmfaoooo

[pearl ore]

I've been working on this needle high sprint efficiency run and gun build based on that threat decrease talent sprinting through and tagging everything with a needle

Feels very flavorful

[high gull]

Does Claey even still play darktide?

[pearl ore]

But it just doesn't quite hold together sometimes

[mellow carbon]

It is, it so is.

[pearl ore]

I just love how nasty the needle is

[zealous basin]

ngl i wanna get into havoc but I have no friends who are actually good at the game or have the game installed long enough for them to unrust to the level where they could play h40

[bronze glade]

yeah even just finding a party is so ass lol

[pearl ore]

How many games have the armor piercing needle gun that just does a bit of dot damage

[short vine]

I mean it does have a bonus of copying the stim you have in hand

[pearl ore]

When if it was an actual weapon

[zealous basin]

literally

[near vapor]

who we dissing

[pearl ore]

Each one of those needles would be filled with fuck you die juice

[zealous basin]

i wonder

[mellow carbon]

Needle is 10/10, love it with all my heart. Highly precise for long range kills, got some splash for hordes if you wanna soften the opposition before busting out the crowbar.

[ripe seal]

yeah the corruption reduction on its own is very whatever but it has some strong synergy stuff, you just need alot of points to get that synergy online

[vale garden]

I do wish the needler type toggle was a bit more responsive

[pearl ore]

It feels like the kind of thing most games would neuter for balance reasons

[novel oracle]

Come on
You know

[high gull]

Tanner?

Mister E?

[bronze glade]

he who shall not be named

[near vapor]

tannenberg?

[ripe seal]

i just got the needle gun and haven't used it but seeing it in use it feels broken

[pearl ore]

Like in lore it would be hyper deadly but in game is would be okay

[vale garden]

But tbh I wish all the scum weapons were more input responsive

[pearl ore]

But darktide is brave enough to say

[zealous basin]

I dont even use the server that often and I knew

[pearl ore]

Lethal toxin means lethal, and quick too

[ripe seal]

it just feels better than a bolt gun or revolver for big targets, waiting a few seconds for the poison is like super worth it

[zealous basin]

Darktide players when theres an opportunity to shit on tanner

[pearl ore]

I cast brain burst? Well I guess your heads gonna explode

[mellow carbon]

You know what I think would make the crowbar feel absolutely GODLY? Transformation attacks, like in Bloodborne. Shift between modes while putting the smackdown on people.

[high gull]

That's something I've been trying to gather info on

[vale garden]

Darktide players

[zealous basin]

5080 results

[high gull]

How the fuck do I exactly hit 31 stacks of toxin

[worn gull]

Darktide players when there's an opportunity to shit

[amber sundial]

needler

[bronze glade]

needle gun can't?

[zealous basin]

it goes up at least one every fay

[ripe seal]

i think its 5 stacks of poison on hit, +1 on crit/headshot,+1 again if both

[noble latch]

crit on last shot i think

[pearl ore]

Use a monstrosity

[near vapor]

not Clay 😭

[novel oracle]

But of course
His current assessment of scum is that they are not havoc viable
Because they can't kill crushers as fast as ds4 in their kit
No other metric whatsoever

[zealous basin]

everything is havoc viable if ur not shit i imagine

[noble latch]

i used mostly ranged in an auric civi maelstrom earlier with the needle pistol

[near vapor]

is that really the metric in his POV 💀

[pearl ore]

Darktide players when there is an opportunity to tell you I multiple paragraphs why only 4 (boring) builds can work in havoc

[near vapor]

tbh I dont keep up with DT youtubers

[zealous basin]

I like reginald

hes a chill guy

[high gull]

I don't I heard he's bald

[mellow carbon]

I've seen a player slide, destroy rations, slide, shoot a heretic idol, then proceed to save the other 3 of us because we were ready for rescue while being chased by a beast of nurgle.

[high gull]

[noble latch]

needle pistol with infinite ammo

[pearl ore]

I play a shitload of darktide, never watch YouTube, the scum trailers has my feed saturated with them

[zealous basin]

so ur intimidated by his aura????

[novel oracle]

Stuff like this is where the idea of "if it doesn't burn through carapace, it sucks" came from
It is one single enemy in the roster

[mellow carbon]

I think if that player got the hive scum, we'd win the war in a night.

[near vapor]

Im just waiting for Jo to release the lore video

[crude robin]

should I be using different blessings

[high gull]

I will never respect the chome domes

[low harbor]

this is crazy cuz I'm pretty sure hvs is highest melee dps overall
hvs just doesn't function properly without good frontliner to enable them

[worn gull]

Lacerate is a trap

[pearl ore]

I use the ol face cutters too

Er

[zealous basin]

bald people are cooler than normal people and I have hair so I have an unbiased opinion

[pearl ore]

Yeah

Bleed on crit works better I find

[crude robin]

why

[zealous basin]

it goes bald people people with hair and then balding people on the coolness scale

[crude robin]

also my stats after a match if it matters how i play

[pearl ore]

It gets you aiming at the body for worse bleed build than criticizing does on body and face

[worn gull]

Shivs do very little damage when you aren't hitting a weak spot. Lacerate does not make up for that. And the one that gives bleed on crit is just better.

[pearl ore]

I ran lacerate on a bleed throughout build for a long time but

[near vapor]

riposte + precog

[pearl ore]

Bleed on crit was simply better for the job

[crude robin]

what about mercy killer then

[zealous basin]

@novel oracle have u tried low cd, cd stim chemical dependancy desperado?

[bronze glade]

bad

[pearl ore]

Mercy killer stocks are up

[low harbor]

this screams "I got shit on by gunners/ragers while levelling in heresy" vibes to me idk

[high gull]

[near vapor]

[zealous basin]

and if so what are your thoughts

[novel oracle]

I have
And vultures mark is better

[crude robin]

whats bad about it

[mellow carbon]

??????
???????????????
...
Okay but like, I've dodged out of the rip-out animation, so you're not locked in place. Also, the stun grenades are great for clearing a moment of peace to make them into pieces in a moment.

[high gull]

Everyone is talking about viable this viable that

[worn gull]

Vulture's mark gives near invuln on crit

[bronze glade]

proc condition mostly

[twin sundial]

is hivescum any good, I haven't gotten the money to buy it yet

[high gull]

How viable is a non stimm ganger?

[zealous basin]

fair I wasnt finding enough elites in heresy to sustain vulture

[worn gull]

Don't know why Despacito build would ever do anythign else

[novel oracle]

That doesnt matter
A class is valued by its ability to delete carapace only

[near vapor]

yea

[cursive mica]

straight up it is as good as you youreself are at the game

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[twin sundial]

Can I 2 shot crushers

[worn gull]

Past level 20 or so both melee and despacito build pick up in survivability a lot

[near vapor]

so whats the consensus on what makes a weapon viable in h40

[zealous basin]

pretty good cuz all the other gangers got there own stims so u can just do all the alley stims u want

[low harbor]

pretty sure hvs melee spec is still the highest carapace dps?
I don't get it

[cursive mica]

this doesn't seem wrong for havoc

[zealous basin]

in all seriousness though i have no clue

[high gull]

@novel oracle Epic Shrimp

[near vapor]

I mean you can make your own drugs

[high gull]

How viable is a non-stimm ganger?

[low harbor]

hvs melee spec is ~similar performance as power sword which alrdy beats DS

[near vapor]

thats stonks

[zealous basin]

um just play slower until the crushers are dead XD????

[near vapor]

I love forcing my body to be filled with potentially disastrous fluids

[high gull]

That's kinda funny if you think on it

[obsidian crown]

Even desperado has decent TTK with shiv and the throwing knives

[high gull]

Possible the strongest class in game is a guy who's high 24/7

[viscid crow]

Fatshark missing an opportunity to give us a white hand face paint. I just want to pretend I serve Saruman

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[cursive mica]

if you mean against crushers it's mainly because of the packs they come in

[near vapor]

life of the party

thats what we do in The Show

https://tenor.com/view/gang-signs-gif-23644682

[frail light]

Why are Arby players so toxic lmao

[high gull]

Role players

[viscid crow]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-lord-of-the-rings-gif-20344416

[sturdy linden]

all of Heresy is toxic

I just ignore chat

[near vapor]

I mean anecdotal experience havent seen any toxic arbys

[cursive mica]

I had plenty lol

most of them are the kind that suicidally charged ahead and got mad later

[high gull]

I've had quite a few aswell

[twin sundial]

pay money for a billion health + a shield to inflate ego

[cursive mica]

pay money to be kruber in space

[crude robin]

Feds

[lavish parrot]

I had a game where I preemptively typed "hello fellow drug abusers" and a minute later I added "and a guardsman" since we somehow got a veteran in the team

[mighty belfry]

So already a stupid metric and then it's also just pure misinformation on top of it

Why do people watch that goober again?

[high gull]

If you call yourself a femboy

You can get an audience

[cursive mica]

it's not even misinfo tho

you can still take it to havoc if you want

[stiff compass]

Is it bad that I actually want the red version of the arbites coat?

[high gull]

Never getting it

It's gonna sit there

Unused

[cursive mica]

it's just not going to work for the kind of situations that involve a ton of armor (outside of nades)

[lavish parrot]

Dante

[near vapor]

I was in a match yesterday and it was 1 zealot 3 scum (Im a scummer). So the zealot player said 1 zealot 3 girls....Im literally a male scum 💀

[stiff compass]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[lavish parrot]

You're a girl now

[high gull]

There's videos and streams out there of the playtesters debunking this btw.

[near vapor]

I CANT ESCAPE THE MISGENDERING

even in game istg

[mighty belfry]

There are setups with scum that still melt carapace lol

it's straight up completely false.

[novel oracle]

while not good
i literally SHOOT crushers with the dual autos in havoc

[mighty belfry]

It may not be as 'sturdy' as the other classes in Havoc but that's a different matter entirely.

[novel oracle]

if in desperado with the 15% rending, its better than my shivs in terms of dps by a little bit, and also safer

[cursive mica]

I will probably take saw

[sinful matrix]

they're just barettas

I am fine with this

[novel oracle]

yeah thats how you know they havent even tried it in havoc or played the class almost at all

survivability would the the weighting factor for this class in h40

[grave venture]

Its closer to a sig or 1911, berettas expose the majority of their barrels

[mighty belfry]

I haven't played it in Havoc either but my performance with rampage shivs is already telling me that's just not correct.

[sinful matrix]

I mean whatever they are, they're fairly close to modern 9mm for body shape which is sick

[grave venture]

No they are just standard gun type guns but still

[cursive mica]

if you mean tanner
he did a few times already

[novel oracle]

this was in havoc lmao

[sinful matrix]

40k imperium weapons are all, like, kinda neat for being regressed Sci-fi but they're largely dumb looking

I'm down to clown with the real take on weapons

[full jasper]

IS THAT THE PLANETARY GOVERNER JOSEPH BIDONIUS?

[mighty belfry]

Out here soloing entire walls of crushers in CIVI like a knife through butter with rampage

[lucid crystal]

chemical dependency penance; does it have to be 2000 seconds in 1 mission?

[frigid thorn]

What perks do you take on the needle pistol, unyielding carapace?

[low harbor]

hvs melee spec is higher carapace dps than duelling sword most of the time vs crushers

[lavish parrot]

THIS PERSON HAS CALLED OUR GOD GIVEN MOSES BROWNING M1911'S A BERETTA

[bleak moon]

tbh im not really into this new class. seems a bit meh

[near vapor]

no

[full jasper]

no

[near vapor]

also its currently bugged rn

[mighty belfry]

Rampage + combat stimm + rending + toxin

Like

[grave venture]

Try out desperado

[mighty belfry]

Come on now

[small grail]

Shiv's don't seem bad on paper

[full jasper]

What's the use case between the uzi and the dual stubbas

[bleak moon]

I just got it but leveling feels like a slog. I am hoping the class really shines when your max

[near vapor]

you need to let your 3rd stack of chem dependency lose a stack before reapplying stimm

[lavish parrot]

On practice they aren't bad either

[sinful matrix]

They feel like combat blade to me

[cursive mica]

all in all for personal opinion
I like iwhat I have rn

[novel oracle]

its not going to be everyones cup of tea
its high risk high reward with high execution required (most of the time)
and thats not for everyone

[vale garden]

Shivs go super hard with the right setup

[sinful matrix]

Combat blade can be okay

[small grail]

I just can't seem to get the saw working against armored enemies

[sinful matrix]

but like

[cursive mica]

I got it to lvl 30 now and so it's just time for minmaxing

[sinful matrix]

combat axe is right there

[lucid crystal]

theres no progress on the chemical dependency penance though. anyone else having had issues with it?

[small grail]

The purple acid doesn't seem to do THAT much against armor

[mighty belfry]

They are terrible when you first have to use them, but holy shit when you get the right setup, they absolutely tear shit apart.

[brittle ferry]

Scum is just shade + handmaiden keri

[sinful matrix]

and doesn't require 55k APM to make worthwhile

[grave venture]

Am I right in thinking its got a less exaggerated zealot tree type of thing going on?

[lavish parrot]

You can talk about any weapon in game and just point at rashad because rashad is just best

[near vapor]

you need to let your 3rd stack of chem dependency lose a stack before reapplying stimm

[lavish parrot]

That doesn't seem fair does it

[sinful matrix]

Karsolas Pickaxe exists now

[near vapor]

ew ogryn

[sinful matrix]

Honestly, throw Branx on there too

[lavish parrot]

Ew ogryn

[small grail]

I was looking through their blessing and they have uncanny strike and executor. Then they have good cleave, simple moveset, and some added utility with range

[sinful matrix]

Both of em are stupid good

[lavish parrot]

Three gunners be upon thee

[lucid crystal]

thats really stupid. thank you

[full jasper]

What do you build them towards?

[small grail]

I'm either gonna use bone saw or shivs for my melee build

[raven matrix]

My god it’s Puri. I thought you upped and left.

[novel oracle]

thisll be a test of how long its been since you played ogryn
what is ogryns #1 melee weapon

[near vapor]

yep its bugged so thats how you get progress with it currently

[lavish parrot]

OH OH OH
POWER MAUL

[full jasper]

i built mine with both bleed blessings

[vale garden]

Rampage mostly

[sinful matrix]

Uh

[full jasper]

Naw like the weapon

[lucid crystal]

appreciate the help

[sinful matrix]

No idea

[brittle ferry]

Fist

[novel oracle]

its the 3b club with no contest

[small grail]

But yeah does anyone know if the purple coating actually does anything for armor? Because man it still takes a ton of hits to kill armored enemies

[sinful matrix]

I just know I can faceroll my keyboard with any of the pickaxes and do fine

[full jasper]

Yeah it applies brittleness

[vale garden]

Thats my build atm. You need rampage for this setup to be worthwhile since it provides so much rending that you can mulch carapace

[mortal plinth]

Can stim supply clease fully corrupted wounds?

[sinful matrix]

Kinda surprising

but also not really

[full jasper]

You're not meant to spam the purple one at enemies, just do one swing of purple and then spam green

[novel oracle]

3b club is just m1 spam and youre unkillable and everything just dies
at least with pickaxes you have low mobility and a log time between swing

[sinful matrix]

its just the mk3b bull butcher but with the ability to kill carapace and unyielding in a timely fashion

[full jasper]

interesting

[novel oracle]

and confident strike
and no cleave damage cap anymore
and skullcrusher
and heavy hitter has impact now

[full jasper]

Here's mine (I only play heresy atm)

[grave venture]

Is it crit bonus or mobility you sacrifice on the stubs?

[lavish parrot]

Both riposte and precog?

[sinful matrix]

i mean the BB gets confident strike but I get your point

[lavish parrot]

I run precog and uncanny personally

[sinful matrix]

Rest in peace ogryn knives

[lavish parrot]

Get that lacerate off

[sinful matrix]

Well, the mk4 is still goated with the sauwce

[vale garden]

One increases crit chance one increases finesse, which boosts crit and weakspot damage iirc

[raven matrix]

Tbh I’d say my 1 struggle for the mk3 club is crushers.

[novel oracle]

its a knife
like 2/3rds of the blessings work together just as well

[sinful matrix]

but the other two are functionally unuseable at this point

[full jasper]

Maybe I swap Mercy Killer since I used to run the pointy shivs instead of the box cutters

[full jasper]

Why?

[lavish parrot]

Fair

[raven matrix]

Bulwarks and reapers both go down in a fairly timely fashion.

[lavish parrot]

It a trap blessing

[full jasper]

how so

[sinful matrix]

heavy attack into their head

[novel oracle]

yeah but it doesnt have nearly as reliable cara/unyielding
and no skullcrusher
which is up 100% of the time cuz you have tons more from heavy hitter on club

[sinful matrix]

Can do rending shenanigans with bleed too

[raven matrix]

True.

[novel oracle]

you literally can outtank daemonhosts in havoc 40 with just club

ive done it

[vale garden]

Im curious actually, do you have any thoughts on the shivs im running cole?

[raven matrix]

I think I’ve just been invested too heavily into m1 braindead.

[sinful matrix]

Probably be a cold day in hell when I give up either the Karsolas or Branx though

[lavish parrot]

Tl;dr it looks good on paper but in reality shivs want you to always aim for the head

[novel oracle]

no issues with them

[sinful matrix]

They're just difficult enough to use to make up for being so blatantly overpowered

[vale garden]

cool

[lavish parrot]

Because non weakspot hits like wet napkins

[novel oracle]

theres so many blessing combos that just work on shivs/ knives

[full jasper]

That's true

[novel oracle]

i use uncanny riposte for my ranged builds

[full jasper]

I run the boxcutter shivs which do wide swings

for hordes

[novel oracle]

but ill prolly run precog riposte on my melee one

[vale garden]

Seemed good to me, but was curious if id hit a trap setup

[nova tangle]

whats the thoughts on stim supply atm?

[full jasper]

instead of the punching single target attack

[novel oracle]

generally doodoofart

[raven matrix]

branx has grown on me. I can say that much, I mean the loss of 1 hitting crushers is sad but it’s still a beast.

[lavish parrot]

Which is the problem because lacerate isn't pulling the weight for lack of damage

[nova tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[lavish parrot]

It just makes you weaker in the long rub

[near vapor]

without buffs from stimm lab its eeh

🥀

[nova tangle]

and with?

[lavish parrot]

If you want a lot of bleed try running riposte and flesh tearer

[near vapor]

its fine

though they could buff the radius ngl

[mighty belfry]

dont even need riposte when you set up for crit tbh

[novel oracle]

with how the tree is set up
crate is either you have a nothing burger crate often
or a good crate once in a blue moon

[near vapor]

I love precog riposte

[novel oracle]

neither are good or fun

cuz youre sacrificing a lot of your killy power to be barely useful often or useful only rarely

[grave venture]

Teammates so good they die before I even load in

[sinful matrix]

I genuinely think that if people are struggling in melee combat, using the branx on ogryn is a good way to learn because its a solid 2 seconds between swings so you're forced to utilize spacing and pushing to not immediately get deleted by Havoc's hilariously overtuned damage output on enemies

[nova tangle]

imma be so real, i kinda wanna just minmax on chem and drug stuff but dont wannt just be a hinderance either

[broken moss]

which customization options does the cartel have influence over?

[sinful matrix]

I'd say practice in auric but after doing havocs even those are kind of a snooze fest lmao

[rare stirrup]

Tatoos

[lavish parrot]

True

[raven matrix]

Also the fact that heavy strikes are the only practical way to hoard clear means you’re forced to consider positioning and distance.

[broken moss]

I'm in here messing with the options and I don't see any difference in tats

[full jasper]

how do you set up for crit in dt

[viral hedge]

So what are the best bonesaw blessings

[full jasper]

Artifacts (whatever tf they're called)

[novel oracle]

shock and awe and decimator

[quick wolf]

Hey guys imma be real why is pickpocket+vultures dodge just like. Better than anything else you could take

[viral hedge]

What's the best swing loop. Is light heavy heavy for hordes? I cant tell with the angle

[near vapor]

+20% Toughness Regeneration.
stat buff: toughness_regen_rate_modifier

(1) Increases Hive Scum's base amount of toughness regenerated while in coherency by 20%; stacks additively with itself and with Toughness Regeneration Speed from curios.

toughness regen in coherency

[novel oracle]

push attack heavy heavy

[rare stirrup]

iirc it's in the full body ones

[sinful matrix]

what the fuck is this

I'm so out of touch now 😭

[rare stirrup]

I created the character only yesterday but already forgot

[novel oracle]

theres a campaign now

[broken moss]

yea thats what i thought it would be. but i dont see any cartel specific ones

[novel oracle]

different dialogue for the mission and a cutscene after

[quick wolf]

What happened to “no safety nets for new players🤣” (something I asked like last week I know sorry)

[sinful matrix]

Oh

Well I do not care about that

Thanks for the info tho

[idle ore]

does the toxin from needler prock pickpocket

[sinful matrix]

Back to quickplay shenanigans then

[idle ore]

or does it have to die to actual needle

[novel oracle]

if its your toxin and it kills them

any elite you kill in any way procs it

cuz what the fuck is balance

[sinful matrix]

It'll get tuned down later

for now, OP picks to get people to buy the class

[tender hollow]

[novel oracle]

i already have my feedback lined up for the next time they give it a pass

Vultures mark changes
Also adds stacks on melee kill (its still only ranged buffs)
Being at max stacks grants an x% chance to count as dodging for melee and ranged attacks (replacing vultures dodge subnode current effect)
Pickpocket subnode, but only at max stacks, and activating it consumes all stacks (Replaces vultures push subnode entirely)

desperados ranged immunity draining from 100% chance to dodge ranged over time by 10%/s and kills restored x%, depending on the enemy

[raven matrix]

Yeah it’s been a while.

[quick wolf]

Any tips for crusher damage at havoc 40?

[novel oracle]

what build

[candid flare]

Red crowbar go faster, right?

[amber sundial]

does the dependency keystone subnode restore toughness work for enhanced penance

[quick wolf]

Can you please add changing vultures dodge so it’s not a crutch

[novel oracle]

read what i just pasted lmfao

[quick wolf]

Any really, I like all 3 styles

[quick wolf]

Sorry I just got off influenza A I think my brain cells are fried after a 39 degree fever

[rare idol]

dodge distance trait makes bonesaw feel roughly 2 billion percent better

[raven matrix]

What weapons are best in combo with the dual stub pistols, and in turn what’s best with the crowbar?

[rustic axle]

i know hive scum's very skill-based but god i got sad when i found out i have to time the special shots on the dual pistols

[novel oracle]

rampage makes any melee decent at crushers a nuclear bomb
any weapon thats bad can be good with the heavy rending node
if youre going dual auto desperado, the rending node from that makes it okay at crushers, but thats fine, you can run shivs as a backup melee but when desperado is active shooting them is kinda fine damage, but youre already better at everything else so its okay

[quick wolf]

Guys can I be honest I really don’t think Hive scum past level 30 is skill
Based

[near vapor]

almost as if its a skill expression gun

[quick wolf]

Thank you🙏

[rustic axle]

NOBODY before the release mentioned this fact

[thorny ginkgo]

what makes you say that?

[near vapor]

trial by fire homie

[rustic axle]

the only mention i found is mr e's overview upon the class release so i feel bullshitted but oh well

[crude robin]

needle pistol kinda insaine

[near vapor]

I avoided DT youtuber assesment of the class

[simple oyster]

Idk hive scum seems mostly fine because they're glass without something huge like voice of command. And without something like weapon specialist, you don't have good melee oompf whilst desperado is on cooldown and you're low on ammo.

[edgy jungle]

what's the classes base critical chance

[small grail]

If i take chem dependency is my only option to keep my custom stimm viscosity low? Because man i hate the fact that cd doesn't start until the effects are done

[crude robin]

whats the difference between the needler marks?

[near vapor]

Crit chance
base_critical_strike_chance    10%

[simple oyster]

Extremely strong whilst in their ability. But famished when out of their ability. Outside of melee build.

[quick wolf]

1. look at what Cole posted above to get an idea of what’s strong with the class
2. Pickpocket is a bit too strong
3. vultures dodge. Seriously just read vultures dodge.

you LITERALLY have to be brain dead to die with pickpocket+vultures dodge.
I couldn’t die with vultures dodge and pickpocket and I had a 39.7 degree fever

[novel oracle]

you're low on ammo.
pickpocket
but yes, you are either a god at ranged, a god at melee, or you suck at both

there is no in between

[near vapor]

For both mks alternate fire. Mk3 needler spreads toxin on kill. The other mark gives an explosive stagger on kill instead

[near vapor]

the ever elusive .1%

[lavish parrot]

Saw, Needler and Stimm box
No?

[simple oyster]

Yeah I'm saying that if they make pickpocket bad them the ranged path will be dead.

[quick wolf]

BUT I WILL SAY havoc Hive Scum feels a bit anaemic but that’s just due to Havoc meta

[amber sundial]

without voice of command

[brittle sierra]

Who said this?

[simple oyster]

Voice of command revive people mate.

[tender hollow]

no one runs that node tho

its shit

[simple oyster]

And gives your whole team toughness.

[amber sundial]

that node is literally a debuff to the ability

[quick wolf]

No one runs this

[brittle sierra]

Reviving people 😈

[small grail]

That isn't close to VoC

[lavish parrot]

Nobody runs it I am telling you as a dedicated vet main

[novel oracle]

i want them to kill how strong the ranged side is, but i want to do it in a way that makes it not weak and keeps its identity of what it does
like here #hivescum-class message

[small grail]

VoC is the only vet ability i ever see

[lavish parrot]

VoC revive

[regal gorge]

meaning the revive node, not the ability

[quick wolf]

I think comparatively at havoc hive scum might be weaker than peak havoc meta build psyker/vet/ arbites tho but we’ve yet to see the peak havoc meta hive scum build

[lavish parrot]

VoC is most popular but no one runs voc revive

[tulip magnet]

I saw a level 15 vet VoC res someone for the first time in 200 hours while i was levelling this class

[shut pier]

Hey I am having trouble with unlocking the cartel proud (the show) upper body cosmetic and I don't understand why nothing is working when I am having myself stimmed

[amber sundial]

the hive scum just dont talk when zola does the who do you fight for

[high gull]

@thorny ginkgo I'm about to edit my support chemist build

[sturdy linden]

that's so funny lol

good attention to detail

[high gull]

I'm gonna see how going full support will work

[vale garden]

You need max stacks of chem dependency

[tulip magnet]

Who do you fight for?!
ME!

[small grail]

Is it that bad

[regal gorge]

yeah you need max chem dependecy

[thorny ginkgo]

ok bet, is it going to be updated on gameslantern

[lavish parrot]

Yes
Yes it is

[vale garden]

So 3 by default, 4 if you take the node

[tulip magnet]

the cooldown nerf kills it

[regal gorge]

the keystone in the buttom right

[high gull]

Yeah

[shut pier]

Ik but I don't see it popping up in the bottom left corner

[vale garden]

see what?

[high gull]

@novel oracle What's your set up for needler and Saw?

[amber sundial]

how longs your stim cd

[vale garden]

Buffs? Do you have the keystone?

[small grail]

I haven't played vet in some time. But i got a buddy who plays vet and he runs the res

[shut pier]

The dependency

[pale rain]

Tactical Axe with a melee build is legit. You have tons of cleave and it hits hard. Id highly recommend people try it.

The bottom mark axe.

[foggy lantern]

Is the melee side underwhelming for how squishy the class is?

[tulip magnet]

it's strictly better to just have it up more often so you can apply toughness and PREVENT your team from going down, rather than waiting until they die

[shut pier]

I been using both street stims and personal class stimms

[thorny ginkgo]

NO

once you max out the class it’s really not that squishy

but melee side is really good

[amber sundial]

no the melee side is absolute baller

75% melee power + bajillion cleave is nuts

[shut pier]

Stim cd

[rustic axle]

i cant wait to get the bonesaw and needle pistol, i think the DoT is hive scum's forte, but i definitely wanna make a desperado and rampage build eventually

[thorny ginkgo]

don’t forget adrenaline frenzy

[rustic axle]

just sucks idk if the Crowbar's viable enough to build with

[regal gorge]

only run your own, take the chem dependency as well as only one tree of stim lab.

[simple oyster]

Yeah ik I was responding to it. Just feels too early to nerf the ranged side this early when the melee side is a good deal stronger, and they're already limited by cooldowns quite well.

[thorny ginkgo]

lol crowbar is cracked with rampage and frenzy

[regal gorge]

make sure you take sample collector

[rich carbon]

what blessings on stub pistols

[novel oracle]

the melee side is strong but they arent "deal tons of damage at any range while not needing ammo and also being immune to melee and ranged permanently" strong

[digital lynx]

on melee builds how is chem dep vs frenzy, it seems like id run it on a crit build only

[foggy lantern]

Yeah, if melee side isn't underperforming by comparison then there is zero reason to hit the ranged side with the nerf bat.

[digital lynx]

otherwise it just feels like some ability regen

and the stim node above it

[thorny ginkgo]

frenzy is better in my opinion

[amber sundial]

chem dep = spam 75% melee power more
frenzy = consistent 25% melee dmg

[near vapor]

for freedom 🗣️

[regal gorge]

gnerally frenzy is better, I've found best results for chem is going for ranged

[hasty agate]

@novel oracle how confidently could you say that your melee crowbar build in the pins is the best way to run that archetype?

[small grail]

Should i keep my viscosity low if i run chem dependency? Or is sample collector enough to make up the difference

[amber sundial]

being able to reproc adren frenzy while its still going is quite nice

dont even need the 20s node

[stuck island]

Am I right in the belief that Stim Supply only provides your Stim buff if it's not on CD, consumes it and doesn't give you dependency?

[regal gorge]

I stay at 51ish seconds for my stim

[digital lynx]

Ya if your in a spot to proc it you keep procing it usually

[shut pier]

Ohhhh so your saying that I need to be a higher level to get progres... Fuck I am only lvl 14 XD

[near vapor]

you can have it regen before you lose a stack

[knotty grotto]

is there a recommended path to take while leveling to make it less of a pain while im not full build? similar to how people recommend psyker run gun + assail until level 30?

[shut pier]

I see it on the talent tree

Rn

[regal gorge]

oh yeah for sure, you need to have the keystone in the bottom right of the tree. LMAO no worries dude

[eternal crag]

so

[rich carbon]

does chem dependancy refresh the stack timer when you gain a stack

[eternal crag]

can i workshop some stuff through yall

[rich carbon]

or are the stacks independant of each other

[digital lynx]

ya

[regal gorge]

yah

[eternal crag]

need some opinions

[rich carbon]

OH

[simple oyster]

Isn't this more a vulture dodge thing than the ranged build? As you absolutely aren't immune to damage types in the desperado cooldown window.

[novel oracle]

archetype as in like just melee scum or crowbar melee scum? definitely not the best overall cuz shivs exist but man its up there
if its crowbar melee scum then yeah this is definitely top tier

[rich carbon]

so the 4 stack one is just required

[worn gull]

It's silly rn but: If stim is available to use, dropping crate consumes it and provides buffs but does not provide dependency. If stim is not available to use, crate just provides corruption cleanse. In other words... crate and dependency are exclusive traits. You don't wanna run both.

[novel oracle]

is the ranged focused keystone not part of the ranged build?

[regal gorge]

it can be, I stuck with 3 just because I am lazy and dont wanna stare at my cool down forever

[small grail]

Thats what i'm trying to do, but i think i may have to just start nerfing my custom syringe because the cd is too long. Mainly because it doesn't cd while the stimm is active which sucks

[stuck island]

That is... incredibly stupid

[digital lynx]

Crate seeems kinda dogshit

[eternal crag]

casue it is

[digital lynx]

unless you cheese normal stims somehow

[eternal crag]

your options are go bananas, be imuine to ranged and run and gun

[regal gorge]

i've had some decent moments with it but it's very underwhelming

[eternal crag]

or box

[shut pier]

Thx I appreciate the help and it sucks that I can't unlock the cosmetic early in the class progression

[stuck island]

I was really looking forward to a support stim spec, but that just means the crate is pretty useless

[worn gull]

Crate's okay if you lean into it really hard... But it really really needs to work w dependency.

[novel oracle]

does not provide dependency
bear in mind this WILL be fixed soon

[amber sundial]

it'd probably be better if we had any other class than hive scum being played rn

[grave venture]

Hive Scum isnt hard, its just that you're basically playing solo in pubs

[hasty agate]

As in crowbar, yeah. Got it. What about needle pistol for ranged option?

[regal gorge]

no worries man, yeah it's frustrating. Take ya time

[tepid hare]

huh needler has marks, whats the diff btwn the two?

[worn gull]

Go crate and toxin melee. It works pretty well for support.

[novel oracle]

it can definitely work, id say theyre interchangable

[amber sundial]

only alt fire
2 makes enemies poison on death
6 makes enemies explode on death

[worn gull]

The altfire. One explodes one spreads chem.

[shut pier]

Welp time for a shit tone of grinding now XD

[digital lynx]

you give up rampage which is what makes melee really good

[tepid hare]

oo might go with more poison on death then

[eternal crag]

so real shit

[novel oracle]

it still wont really be better though
your crate will come back faster, but the stim itself is the bottleneck

[eternal crag]

is it viable to do adrenaline with enhanced desperado

[amber sundial]

but why,

just go full ranged

[simple oyster]

Still need to reload. Only have damage reduction during reload. But yeah that one can use a nerf as it's activation condition is too easy but I wouldn't touch desperado or pickpocket just yet until the class has had a while to sit, melee path looks far more broken.

[craggy stream]

I think my favourite thing about the hivescum is that there's no dueling sword

[stuck island]

Adrenaline seems awkward to proc with the bonesaw, but suppose that may get better as I move from Damnation into Auric

[worn gull]

Naw melee kills recover stim, 1-2% per kill which racks up pretty fast.

[novel oracle]

aside from the alt fire
the 2 does 6 stacks on impact, +1 on headshot and +1 on crit
the 6 does 6 stacks on impact, +2 on headshot and +2 on crit
this carries over to the specials
the 2 special mode does 2 stacks on impact, +1 on headshot and +1 on crit
the 6 special mode does 2 stacks on impact, +2 on headshot and +2 on crit

[amber sundial]

I did not know you just get more stacks for free

[digital lynx]

Stimm supply does use generic stimms from the map, id need to see it but you can probably med stim your team

[amber sundial]

Might start using 6 now

[sturdy linden]

time to login for today's dosage of being humbled and eating dirt

[novel oracle]

ok so now your stim regenned a bit faster (assuming you didnt have a psyker or something nuking every enemy)
now you have your crate back from the stim ready subnode
so what was the point of the chem dep cdr

[cursive mica]

so wait
why would one not use the 6

I guess cause of the explosion?

[amber sundial]

The explosions don’t seem to do much

[novel oracle]

the special on it is dogshit
the 2 spreads toxin on enemies afflicted with its sepcial

[steep vale]

Hi cole!

Wanna run some?

[heady jungle]

How big of a stat loss is it for my pistols mobility to 62 while penetration and collateral are 79 each?

[novel oracle]

im not even on darktide rn

[steep vale]

Cole hates me chat

He just dmed me that i should die

[near vapor]

elite ball knowledge

[vale garden]

Its ok we do too

[near vapor]

why would you even want to switch to the alt fire mode

[tender marten]

mulch a crowd

[simple oyster]

Pistols seem fun.. mb with a good chainsword for horde clear.

[worn gull]

is line 1 there a problem outside of heresy for people on any class?

[novel oracle]

on the 6? you dont really
on the 2? you can now use it as a primary weapon basically with desperado/pickpocket

[amber sundial]

killing the 500 pox walkers off the hive ganger that can’t survive more than 2 seconds

Who is 5 miles away

[crude robin]

does that mean they spread toxin?

[novel oracle]

ive run crate in like havoc and stuff
and the stim regen node was not much help whatsoever
the build was weak and unfun

[amber sundial]

It does not infinitely spread toxin no

[vale garden]

I think they should add some ribbons for being stimmed, like push through enemies on dodge like ogryn

[vocal saffron]

5 lil chuddies jumpin on da bed

[crude robin]

I didnt say infinitely, but do they spread at all

[vocal saffron]

1 fell off and bumped his head

[simple oyster]

They were really afraid of the stim build being useful.

[vocal saffron]

Sing the rest cole i know u know the wordz

[amber sundial]

Only on the 2nd mark

mk6 doesn’t spread

[simple oyster]

They should also just standarize stimm cooldown I feel. Because I feel like the possibility of your stim being 15s cooldown keeps fatshark from making crate good. Scared crate spam will ruin lobbies or smt.

[crude robin]

does targeted toxin work on the twins?

[amber sundial]

no reason it shouldn’t

[crude robin]

pog, 30% less damage from rinda is amazing

[quick wolf]

I’ve tried a few games of havoc with hive scum and like I really think you need to team build around hive scum ngl

[novel oracle]

it was 30s for the longest time because point weighting wasnt implemented yet

[heady jungle]

So Cole. Is stim craye worth usinf?

[novel oracle]

that shit was busted as fuck

[novel oracle]

i dont think so

[heady jungle]

Not even with a med stimm?

[novel oracle]

it has niche uses especially in havoc but still

[frigid adder]

Is hyper violence a good talent? can seem to tell what it applies in the meat grinder

[amber sundial]

overkill dmg = more overkill dmg = more…

[lavish parrot]

I heard it can be paired with saw

[rare heart]

i feel like the stim supply is bugged

[tender marten]

How does it work with bromentum

[simple oyster]

The aura of the crate also just needs to be bigger because damn. Hitting all your teammates with it can be a challenge.

[novel oracle]

saw needs some serious melee investments though

[frigid adder]

ooooh so thats how it works coolio

[novel oracle]

youd be giving up most of your offense AND support ability so you can heal the team by half 1-2 times per game

[crude robin]

interesing...

might have to swap from junky for that

[lavish parrot]

I fine price to be paid for trying out different setups and weapons

[simple oyster]

It also sucks when using it with other scum because for SOME reasom fatshark didn't make each player have a unique stimm buff so you can stack them.

Like at the very least unique effects should be able to be active.

[lavish parrot]

I just have to figure out how build saw, stimm crate and needle gun together

[novel oracle]

it NEEDS stam attack speed and it NEEDS 1-2 cleave nodes
and shock and awe as a blessing

[short oar]

How’s the Rocket Launcher blitz?

[quick wolf]

Horrendous. Never take it

[short oar]

Damn

[amber sundial]

krak but large AoE essentially

[heady jungle]

I like saw as is D:

[quick wolf]

At least that’s my opinion

[tender marten]

very fun

[deep moon]

For the stimm supply ability is it better to use stimm lab or no stimm lab?

[novel oracle]

it benefits from ranged buffs

[amber sundial]

Stim lab

no stim lab you kinda just have a corruption heal box

for the 3 map stims you find