hivescum-class

[vast yoke]

a lot of them were pre-release slop made by people who literally didnt have the class yet

[amber sundial]

or does the insta part of the stim count

[lavish parrot]

Gotcha gotcha

[noble latch]

im not sure

[gritty arrow]

Stim Supply build would be 148% better if using it built Dependancy stacks

[noble latch]

but maybe

with how slow its been

[silver mural]

Saw loves cleave

[iron patrol]

its good at killing hordes, not much else really, 7 stacks is a bit less than 1 needle shot pretty sure

[glad latch]

I was wondering why it wasn't working properly since I was at full stacks for most of a mission and didn't seem to count

[noble latch]

its my last ability penance, and ive been working on it a long time

[bronze glade]

Right side is so fucked rn lol

[vast yoke]

honestly saw prefers Adrenaline Frenzy anyway

[silver mural]

Its more then a body shot

[echo harness]

Yeah that one is going to take forever

[iron patrol]

yeah its just fucked, remember to go upto 2 before dropping 1 then full

[vast yoke]

its silly that stim supply and dependancy dont mix tho

[glad latch]

ok thx

[gritty arrow]

yes but how else would I go about roleplaying that guy I talk to by the dumpster at Denny's?

[iron patrol]

its between a body and a headshot on a 15 second cooldown, its practically 1 delayed AoE needle shot every 15 seconds

[vast yoke]

Dependency fucks hard on Rampage/Desperado if you wanna spam your cooldowns tbh. I like it especially on Rampage Shiv build cus crits are yum

[silver mural]

It is funny, but tbf the supply box with dependancy base keystone alone doesnt get much from it, since iirc most people take that node that brings the box off cooldown when stimm comes back up

[vast yoke]

also the guy behind Dennys is definitely a Rampage + Dependency user

thats crackhead energy

[gritty arrow]

Vulture stacks should also fall off one by one too

[silver mural]

Vulture is op

[gritty elk]

ayo

i got a +3 stamina at 400

[vast yoke]

honestly I like all the keystones and abilities so far, maybe not all the ability modifiers tho

[gritty elk]

is that fake or real?

[woeful hill]

fake

410 or higher

[iron patrol]

you dont spam rampage though, thick hordes unironically infinitely sustain rampage since you dont need to reload knives and the extra attack speed combined with adrenaline frenzy keeps it up

[gritty elk]

its 400 blue tier atm

[woeful hill]

color doesnt matter

410 or higher for +3 stam

[gritty elk]

blowing my head off

[iron patrol]

post

[silver mural]

Rampage and adrenaline look super easy to keep up. Desperado for all its crazy features is at least less consistent to keep up for longer periods

[tulip magnet]

The hell is the point of the shitty exploding needle mode?

does like 5 damage

[vast yoke]

except the few times you do need it on low CD because your bastard desperado user killed all the trash around you to sustain your rampage

XD

[silver mural]

Adds an effect when the enemy you shot dies

[iron patrol]

what the fuck

[silver mural]

Aoe chem stacks or stagger

[vale garden]

They really did a good job incorporating the theme into the gameplay. Scum is constantly wanting to get in close and kill to keep its ability going. The only problem is that with everyone currently playing it, you'll be in melee trying to get toughness back while JohnnyScumShorts mag dumps into your back trying to keep desperado going

[vast yoke]

spam it against dog packs, around downed players when going for a revive, into groups of shotgunners/ragers

the AOE stagger version sucks

the AOE poison is good

[gritty elk]

so dead +3 stamina?

[woeful hill]

thats a +2

[iron patrol]

if the bastard desperado forced me into refractory period then he can handle the 17 maulers walking towards him by himself while i recover

[silver mural]

Aoe poison does look way better then the shitty stagger with bad damage

[gritty arrow]

Would the class really be THAT OP if they made the CD start imediately instead of when the effect ends?

[vast yoke]

no clue what the aoe stagger is even rlly for, maybe maybe helping with revives...? but it does so little stagger it doesnt even interrupt most elites

[gritty elk]

so even if i upgrade it, itll still be fake?

[rare idol]

You can spray it into a horde and they all explode together

[gritty elk]

im coping so hard

[silver mural]

Rampage would be infinitely chained at that point. Desperado would still have a small bit of downtimes i suppose

[sinful matrix]

I'll admit it's because I'm babied by ogryn.

I swing my pickaxe, kill 9 things in one swing, get 250% of my toughness back per swing

[vast yoke]

i think they just meant the AOE stagger one that does 0 damage and doesnt even interrupt ragers

[iron saddle]

Ask fatshark why dey do dis

[sinful matrix]

Not much thinking or skill involved with oggyboi

[iron patrol]

i use the shitty stagger as extra stun nades in combat tbh, its the sole use i found for it

[silver mural]

Perhaps they will buff it

[vast plover]

it's very situational and takes forever to launch but when you have nothing and it staggers / poisons heavies its something

[tulip magnet]

it staggers for like nothing

[manic wolf]

Question about the needlegun... does critting add another stack like most other DoT sources or no?

[woeful hill]

yes

[vast yoke]

it should at least small stagger ragers, maybe multiple explosions could small stagger crushers, atm its very pathetic just rn the AOE poison

[silver mural]

Yes

[manic wolf]

Cheers, no brainer on blessings then

[vast plover]

it should stagger as much as blind

the small grenade

[iron patrol]

ogryn needs one poxwalker to smack and they get full toughness back, i get the issue

[manic wolf]

Unless... Is Hotshot still bugged?

[vast yoke]

maybe not in the same AOE cus ammo is basically unlimited for this class XD

[patent bone]

If I changed one of my stubs perks to caterpace instead of flak, would it still do good against flak enemies or nah?

[vast yoke]

no

[gritty arrow]

Wait, does Vultures dodge count as and trigger dodge effects?

[patent bone]

Ahh damn

[woeful hill]

yes

[gritty arrow]

V-nice

[vast yoke]

carapace is plasma gunner/mauler heads, scab rager chests, and the entirety of crushers body

it is not flak

[novel quest]

yeah there's some fun stuff you can do with vultures

[manic wolf]

Carapace is only worth taking as a perk when the weapon already does passable/good damage to the armour type

[vast yoke]

^

[patent bone]

Imma try test it then

It SHOULD be good enough as of rn

[vast yoke]

run stubs with flak + maniac/unyielding/unarmored whatever you think you prefer

[manic wolf]

On Stub Pistols it will be bad unfortunately

[lavish parrot]

I personally went with maniac unyielding on shivs, good idea?

[patent bone]

Oh so not really worth it?

[vast yoke]

honestly its insanely good into maniac already, i went flak unyielding

[iron patrol]

needle is such a funny gun, peak at base, anything beyond 80 ammo is a suggestion for it

[rare idol]

Idk I tend to take carapace on every melee because I’m gonna have to stab me some carapace eventually + breakpoints are all over the place in the different modes and levels

[manic wolf]

Probably not no, even the Rending subnode probably isnt gonna be very good with it for those

[lavish parrot]

Wait so I just gotta get 80 ammo for needle and that's it?

[vast yoke]

just imo

[lavish parrot]

Everything else is dump?

[patent bone]

Ahh well stick to the shivs for cara then

[iron patrol]

you are unironically better off just going crit and crit damage and getting universal coverage

[cedar cairn]

Hello again perishers

[vast yoke]

crowbar alt mode rips apart cara too

[sturdy marsh]

Is nimbe bugged? Someone mentioned it in game but idk if it's true or not.

[hot moth]

recommending crit damage
ever

[iron patrol]

yeah, damage and pen doesnt matter since DoT is seperate

[hot moth]

do the shivs have something unique going on with them that I'm missing

[vast yoke]

are you deadass

[manic wolf]

Melee is a bit more nuanced because of that, yeah, but ranged weapons is very binary; Weapon good into Carapace? Take perk, weapon bad into Carapace? No take perk

[vast yoke]

😭

[silver mural]

Doesnt its chained heavies also stun lock crushers?

[hot moth]

because I was under the impression crit damage did basically zero

[lavish parrot]

Especially with can opener

[patent bone]

Might do better than what I got currently. Is the Ripper Ogryn the only unyielding or no?

[vast yoke]

monsters, reaper and bulwarks

[lavish parrot]

Well you can throw poison darts

[gritty arrow]

Nice cartel haircut

[high gull]

People rage quitting out a mission cause they died at the very end

Bruuuh

[patent bone]

Ahh gotcha, thanks!

[iron patrol]

i forgot, just grab +2 stamina for 4% attack speed buff

[vast plover]

darts are good for bosses

[hot moth]

I mean in terms of wanting crit damage
Every time it's come up that crit damage is a microscopic improvement and literally anything else is good

[cedar cairn]

Nobody:
R6 Hurtboxes:

[manic wolf]

Also, if you're running Needle Pistol no need to take Cara on anything because thats a Crusher deleter

[vast yoke]

the last time crit damage was every recommended on anything in the game was back in vt2 when shade had an infinite crit chance uptime build and even then it was kinda ass

[sinful matrix]

How does the stim work? It doesn't tell me how long any of the buffs are active for lmao

[high gull]

Peak unlocked

[sinful matrix]

Seems kind of important but what do I know

[hot moth]

I think there's an achievement where you have to do like X missions in a row without going down

[vast yoke]

15s-20s (talent dependant)

[patent bone]

I hate how that Torso piece has purple instead of blue

[hot moth]

And if you quit out it doesn't break your streak

[lavish parrot]

Idk I am not yet so well versed with scum wepaons I just spam light and horde dies

[high gull]

Custom made buffs you can apply to yourself on demand and to your team if it's not on cooldown with a chem crate

[patent bone]

Literally unplayable

[silver mural]

Id say more dissolver, slow time to kill but 3 shot kill is yummy

[manic wolf]

Eh, I take crit on some things depending on build, but its seldom ever optimal

[cedar cairn]

They're doing lotr orc shit to these hive scum

[vast yoke]

crit damage is not good.

[manic wolf]

Yer, if anything is gonna get hit on Scummer, its gonna be that

[iron patrol]

its just that you can get crit so often it almost gets enough value to be worth taking, but then you realize +2 stamina is +4% attack speed

[hot moth]

I distinctly recall when those achievements came out lobbies were unplayable because you'd get 3 teammates who insta alt-f4 as soon as they go down and the lobby holds their slots open for them reconnecting (they won't) so then you'd be in a bot lobby

[sinful matrix]

It was good when crit cooldown reduction applied to every single enemy you hit as zealot with blazing piety or whatever

[patent bone]

It adds +50 rizz

[lavish parrot]

It's because water cartel is supreme

[vast yoke]

crit damage does not add 10% damage on crits, it adds 10% to the critical bonus component of a critical strikes damage

[sinful matrix]

Infinite uptime on your ult

[patent bone]

That's falso

[silver mural]

Ive heard its possible to make it a 2 shot kill

[rose flax]

why is my gpu not being utilized correctly? why is this bug not fixed?

[vast yoke]

talking abt crit damage

not crit chance

[sinful matrix]

O

[vast yoke]

crit chance is ok

[sinful matrix]

Yeah crit damage buffs have always been ass

[vast yoke]

recon las

[manic wolf]

Oh crit damage, yeah thats ass, crit chance tho, intermittently gud

[sinful matrix]

Ah, yes, +75% of 10 damage

Good buff

[fervent steppe]

what would you say is the best melee weapon for scum rn, for boss dmg and in general

[tulip magnet]

something something breaking points

[vast yoke]

poor #veteran-class have to tell people about Deadly Accurate bistol sucking ass 2000 times a day

[sinful matrix]

Hard to beat the Combat Axe

[livid raven]

dual autopistols

[worn gull]

Crit damage sucking is such a baffling decision

[livid raven]

they are a melee weapon if you believe in them

[radiant maple]

true

[sinful matrix]

and this is why I mostly stick to the ogryn channel

[vast yoke]

if it simply increased the entire damage of a critical strike it'd be good, but i genuinely think fatshark doesnt know what it does

[sinful matrix]

They know they're dumb at least

:3

[cedar cairn]

How do you deal with Fleshbags as a Scum

[livid raven]

i press M1

[hot moth]

fleshbags?

[broken bear]

Shoot.

[steep vale]

woah the guy did wonders on my new face

[sinful matrix]

It's the same formula in VT

[vast yoke]

for boss damage (maybe not dps, but insane consistancy) you cant rlly beat the syringe pistol

[sinful matrix]

they know what they're doing

[rose flax]

it must of ran off out of happines

[manic wolf]

Literally the same way you deal with it playing anything else, only now you can dodge some of his super far reaching swings with some consistency

[sinful matrix]

It's why Deadly Accurate got buffed to +100% or something

[vast yoke]

ctrl+c, ctrl+v 😭

[sinful matrix]

There's some niche builds for it now at least

[frigid sluice]

whats the current opinion on this class I'm considering getting it

[hot moth]

sir, that's sa ranged weapon, not a melee weapon :V

[frigid sluice]

from what I seen its a speed demon glass cannon

[iron patrol]

frfr just pop 4 shots in and then 1 shot every 5 seconds to keep stacks up

[sinful matrix]

Like Ogryn Rippers, it may as well be a melee weapon because you're not killing anything past 10 meters

[fervent steppe]

Play dodge zealot with little to no toughness regen, if you like it get this class, if not dont.

[hot moth]

class is downright dysfunctional until you get near the end of the tree (~level 30)

[neat delta]

Is it gay to exist

[hot moth]

you die to like two riflemen you didn't notice in the far flank/high ground

[sinful matrix]

No.

[cedar cairn]

I've seen no one dodging it lol
It's been sweeping every Scum squad I've seen because it just doubletaps any Scum in melee range

[brittle sierra]

Me irl

[burnt barn]

whats the Threat stat lol

[sinful matrix]

What determines enemy likelihood of targeting you

[frigid sluice]

I might be a fly

[cedar cairn]

How many enemies aggro you

[hot moth]

that's purely a skill issue, they should be blocking/dodging the swipes

[manic wolf]

I hate to say it, but that might be a skill issue, i solo'd one earlier on Scum an it was stupidly easy

[hot moth]

lots of scum are old players coming back or new-new

[vast yoke]

ah. hm. melee boss dps on this class... technically this class can do insane work with chainaxe thrust + headtaker if you're a fucking loser, as for the class uniques crowbar alt mode headshot spam and corkscrew shivs could prob do okay, but most of the classes boss DPS comes from ranged or doming bosses with rockets

[worn gull]

Yeah. It's compounding bad because crit damage requires you to also invest in crit. I mean crit has its own uses often but still weird that a specialized dependent stat is bad.

[burnt barn]

btw whats the dumpstat on rashad

[iron patrol]

they attack your teammates instead of you unless you initiate, good for just running up to gunners cause they do not register you

[rare idol]

Bonesaw feels like a greatsword

[hot moth]

can't you stack toxin with the saw, or does that not apply chem toxin

[lavish parrot]

Take a wild guess

[cedar cairn]

How do you dodge a Chaos Spawn, it's just flailing bullshit

[sinful matrix]

Chaos spawn against scum?

block the three attack combo

[manic wolf]

Crit got a lot better after it got a portion of armour negation, but its very often a vehicle to proc other effects

[sinful matrix]

dodge right to dodge the grab

dodge the single overhead slam

[lofty vessel]

What do you guys think between the stub pistols and the double brrt pistols

[sinful matrix]

same thing as in VT

[vast yoke]

nowhere near as spamming tox pistol and you can also stack it on shivs (crits stack tox talent)

[hot moth]

it's a bit dependent but your teammates need to not run around like idiots and try to "circle"

[lavish parrot]

They're both good

[sinful matrix]

Try to get the chaos spawn stuck in the overhead slam loop(Not as consistent as in VT)

[worn gull]

You block the flailing bullshit, you dodge all the swings.

[manic wolf]

Stub are probably worse, but also, they're more fun.

Optimal vs funsies

[hot moth]

when a spawn is aggroed on a player who knows how to control it it's very readable

[rose flax]

My gpu is still not being utilized even with unlimited fps lock

[vast yoke]

saw is rlly consistent tox damage into hordes and smaller elite but the DOT dps lacks into bosses from my experience but idk

[rare idol]

It has a toxin mode and a brittleness mode, both of which are useful. There’s also a trait that lets you put more toxin

[hot moth]

yeah, what Puri said: a good player will consistently walk up to collision range with the spawn to force it into standing overhead as much as possible (not 100% but more often) and dodge straight backwards

[rare idol]

And there’s a thing that gives you giga weak spot damage on toxin stuff

[lavish parrot]

Btw how is the other shivs mark?

[worn gull]

I think stub is good for non despacito builds. Good anti shooter and anti special option if you need it.

[vast yoke]

double brrt pistols for desperado builds, dual pistols for hybrid ranged/melee is rlly good, but if you're a melee build you usually just go bistol / syringe

[lavish parrot]

You know the one with cleave heavy

[rose flax]

No way, dungeon soup reference?

[iron patrol]

ass, wide sweep on a weapon with tiny range just sucks

[manic wolf]

If you're struggling with monsters on Scum, there is also the node that nerfs thier damage output by 30% when tox'd, which is probably pretty noticable in higher settings

[sinful matrix]

Yeah the big thing is the Cspawn has too random of a threat system in DT

[hot moth]

stub pistols are an amazing sidearm for melee builds, not very good for desperado builds

[lavish parrot]

Right

[iron patrol]

its also forged by autistic tech priests

[rare idol]

Does it work on damage from monstro to teammates?

[sinful matrix]

You can pretty much freely waylay it in VT and it won't swap off whoever has its aggro

but Cspawn here just doesn't care

[rose flax]

Where did you find that text?

[sinful matrix]

It changes targets constantly which is annoying

[vast yoke]

yeah exactly this. i love it on my vultures mark stim crate build

[manic wolf]

I would guess its effectively a status effect in the same way that Brittleness is, so yeah i would imagine so

[worn gull]

I wanted to like it but the range sucks, the attack speed on the sweep sucks, and I don't like some of the animations and combo. Honestly I'd recommend the single target rebar mk

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-soup-my-blade-githyanki-quality-so-you-know-it's-good-gif-12192236967424097653

[iron patrol]

its in the patch notes

[manic wolf]

Its gonna be most noticeable against the twins rather than any of the monster bosses tho

[novel oracle]

i like how everyone else is struggling with just the fragility of broker to guns and melee and stuff

[rose flax]

Oh wow lol

[manic wolf]

At least for other classes, Scum will still get melted by melee twin if they're not careful lmao

[vast yoke]

i wish it had unique lights, maybe only overhead icepick stab lights or smth...

[novel oracle]

and im just getting killed by honest to god actual bullshit that would kill any class

[hot moth]

enemey melee is fine and a pure skill issue

But dying to one rifleman at low levels is intense pain

[sonic pumice]

Question: how viable is the prospect of making the special atoms of the class the focus on a build? Can you make it an effective mini ult in spite of the long CD? Or is better to keep it lower than max?

[sinful matrix]

nomnomnomnom

lmao

[hot moth]

like base scummer can't revive if there's even one rifleman on the field

[novel oracle]

i didnt have any vomit debuff

he just fucking did that

[manic wolf]

Ahh yes, the Bomber into Burgle true combo

Classic

[vast yoke]

if you go stim crate then go big or go 1 node

[novel oracle]

i shouldnt have been eaten to begin with

conditions werent met

[burnt barn]

yay

[vale garden]

IDK man, I think i prefer using the shivs on rampage over Hsword. Im probably doing something wrong though

[hot moth]

HUH

[sinful matrix]

Classic darktide

[manic wolf]

I guess if thats a thing now, Burgle is actually dangerous now

[hot moth]

how did the burgle grab you with no vomit - yeah no vomit stacks

[iron patrol]

i am impressed at the fact theres even fucking rifleman around to down you at lower levels, i breezed through that shit cause you have 4 crackheads who have 10 seconds to dump as much ammo as they can and a shooter is a good target for it always

[nocturne basalt]

how do you compensate for the total lack of cleave on the shivs

[novel oracle]

then theres bursters jumping from far away

[vast yoke]

with sample collector you can often get your stim back before your crate CD is up, and if you go 1 node cartel special you can spam 7 chem toxin landmines every 15 seconds

[manic wolf]

Mind you, bullshit aside, that is an awful place to have one spawn

[novel oracle]

or making no noise at all

[nocturne basalt]

they felt really bad and I switched em as soon as I could

[hot moth]

there's plenty on diff3

[vast yoke]

0 noise specials have been REALLY common this patch

its fucked

[sinful matrix]

This has been an issue since the game released at least

[manic wolf]

Stealth Crusher

[sinful matrix]

While not an OKAY thing

[main wagon]

This has been happening to me A LOT recently

[novel oracle]

but its now not a 5% chance to happen
its a 95% chance to happen

[manic wolf]

Not since release, since they upped the enemy counts i think with Auric

[sinful matrix]

The mental is built up on my end to deal with it anyway because Fatshark is incapable of fixing special audio cues

[sinful matrix]

Since release for bursters

[vast yoke]

I had a dog that was completely silent, only made noise after two entire seconds of pinning me down

[sinful matrix]

Other specials dropping their audio since upped special counts

[vast yoke]

as if all the audio lagged and was backlogged

[rough sonnet]

anyone know how to get these done? pretty sure I was doing it right but, no progress

is it in one life or over time?

[iron patrol]

legit just dodge spam, the 40% dodge cooldown speed above 75% stamina makes you immortal to shooters during melee combat

[novel oracle]

yes im aware its happened before but now its REALLY fucked

EVERY SINGLE BURSTER either makes no sound or sounds like its 10 miles away when its 2 inches away

[iron patrol]

above 50% viscosity

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I was specifically replying to Dorfus for that

[sturdy marsh]

hit 30. Now I can finally play the game.

[manic wolf]

Yeah maybe always bursters, i forget, but i do remember it got exponentially worse with increased enemy counts

[main wagon]

Okay I’m honestly so relieved to hear someone else talking about this

[hot moth]

I was just saying the issue was you can't revive

[sinful matrix]

That said, the dropped audio is my biggest complaint with this game

[hot moth]

Y'know, because you can't dodge while reviving

[rough sonnet]

yeah, I've figured that out but how tf do you proc chemical dependency

[sinful matrix]

It's fuckin annoying getting burstered/dogged/trapped because you literally cannot hear them

[rough sonnet]

I might be dumb

[novel oracle]

the thing that has singlehandedly dealt more damage to the entire team on my havoc climb this season has been bursters, more than any other source combined

[worn gull]

I haven't been having special sound problems but I have literally never been able to hear crushers coming up behind me 😭

[sonic pumice]

Toxmine build sounds fun, but probably will try something for support first

[manic wolf]

Agreed yeah, your ears are so key to survival in a lot of situations

[main wagon]

I wasn’t sure if my headset was going or I was going crazy but I felt like enemies were further away and I had another second and then suddenly “burster” or something around the corner

[iron patrol]

right side capstone is dependancy

[main wagon]

Thanks Cole lol

[hot moth]

I keep getting flamed by noob hive scum teammates who are like BRO WHY DIDN'T YOU REVIVE ME BRO when they die to a few riflemen, and then those few riflemen are still alive and I'm working on clearing them before I can go for a revive

[rough sonnet]

yeah I know that

[novel oracle]

and theyre jumping from further away sometimes now

like an unpushable distance but youll still get hit

[rough sonnet]

I've used a stim but nothing happened besides the stim

[manic wolf]

Nah, You're not alone in that, audiocues arent just being missed, they're kinda fubar on distance at this point

[sinful matrix]

Surprisingly, crushers and maulers for me

because of the rotted armor modifier

[manic wolf]

They're quieter in some cases at close range than they should be

[coral citrus]

I am the fool for not immediately leaving the Twins operation when quickplay sends me there

[rose flax]

By the way, while your here, do you know how to fix my gpu not being utilized at all? This is without an fps lock by the way, settings doesn't help either, and even though it says 60, as soon as I move it micro stutters, and where I'm looking drops fps permanently
My gpu is a AMD RX 5700xt, cpu is AMD Ryzen 3800x, settings aren't really high either, only things that aren't low/disabled is ambient occlusion, light quality, global illumination, all at high
I know this is a bug, because when my gpu is utilized, I get 70+ fps, though performance is clearly worse in this patch

[iron patrol]

its bugged, sorry it took me a moment to click, you gotta get 2 stacks and then lose a stack of dependancy before maxxing out

[amber sapphire]

anybody else had a weird bug with stun nade, that it just shoots all of them after pressing blitz button

[sinful matrix]

The random pain trains in already clogged areas seems to really mess with peoples' heads

They don't know how to deal with 4 crushers and 4 maulers on top of a regular horde

[novel oracle]

how are you playing rotten armor when its not even in rotation

[manic wolf]

Rager clown car would like to know your location

[maiden bramble]

I will admit I'm not good at playing Hive Scum either, but man it sucks seeing a whole mob and being out of grenades

[shadow umbra]

I one time was sliding around to dodge bullets as scum before accidentally sliding right into a mauler who was mid-way through their overhead attack

[maiden bramble]

Then other scum have the same issue of trying to clear em to revive

[shadow umbra]

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=AnInsSowKHdWgij8&t=1661

[iron patrol]

i just reboot the game every 2 matches cause its some sort of cache bullshittery

[novel oracle]

like look at this

[sinful matrix]

I dunno. Had it a couple days ago

[vast yoke]

yeah go for support box. it's fantastic with cleaver or crit tox shivs

[sinful matrix]

I have no idea how havoc works tbh

[novel oracle]

and that was last season

[sinful matrix]

I get dragged in by a friend

And just kinda deal with whatever the game throws at me

[novel oracle]

update brings a new season with a new pool of stuff

[rough sonnet]

just harder darktide really with some cool cosmetics if u do the penances for them

[novel oracle]

im talkin like yesterday

[shadow umbra]

Why I run desperado? So I can shoot at poxwalkers and spend as much ammo as I want without my teammates questioning me

[main wagon]

Might want to check your launcher settings and see if anything got changed after the update

[sinful matrix]

Havocs taught me how to kill Cspawns though

BECAUSE THERES ONE AROUND EVERY CORNER

[novel oracle]

desperado+pickpocket+vultures mark is so buttfuck busted

[shadow umbra]

Also what is the difference between a poxwalker with a tentical arm

I genuinely dunno the difference

[rose flax]

It looks the same, could it be the worker core thing in launcher settings though? I have no idea how it works, but it's at 7 currently

[sinful matrix]

Well I mean I know that lmao

I've just never interacted with the menu except to collect resources

[rough sonnet]

then you got it, thats literally just havoc

[iron patrol]

cosmetic

[smoky hatch]

i believe they're more durable

[sinful matrix]

Cause my friend just drags us into havoc missions

[novel oracle]

flair
they were part of a modifier that basically made certain enemies with those on their head explode when you headshot killed them
and those guys were just extra flair mixed into the hordes

and they just wanted to mix them into the default hordes cuz they made the models so why not

[smoky hatch]

ah, i must've been mixing up my modifiers

[shadow umbra]

So they are just regular poxers that look more interesting

[sinful matrix]

they're better looking anyway

more visually interesting than regular poxies

[sonic pumice]

Handsome pox-walker

[sinful matrix]

Only thing handsome in this game is my Ogryn

[iron patrol]

they ate extra nurgle doo doo juice and grew a tentacle

[manic wolf]

Headcrabs modifier SUUUUCKS

Punished for playing well. Peak design

[vale garden]

I added a title

[sonic pumice]

That's cheating because Orgyn is peak performance already

[obsidian crown]

Nah man. Haven’t you heard? This class is weak and squishy

[sinful matrix]

Actually my ogryn btw

[rare idol]

What you think about bone saw?

🦴

[obsidian crown]

Did you see any melee happening in the timestamp link he linked?

[livid raven]

this class is weak and squishy, they should raise the ammo cap of pickpocket from 20% to at least 90% to compensate

[mighty belfry]

Dangerous now?

The fuck do you mean now?

[vale garden]

So these are my shivs, Im considering swapping out maniac for carapace tho

[fleet estuary]

what blessings do you want on shivs? Bleed crit?

[iron patrol]

i had games where i got 3 desperado scums with my bum-ass on rampage, legit had like, 5 minute breaks where i stood still behind the team and watched them clear shit while walking

[sinful matrix]

Bon isn't actually all that dangerous

[sonic pumice]

@novel oracle may I ask how you feel on the crowbar and how you build it's perks/blessings?

[vale garden]

Wish theyd put bosses in the psyk to test

[sinful matrix]

It's that it makes everything else more annoying to fight

[livid raven]

imo, i use shivs only to deal occasionally with crushers

[rare idol]

Bonesaw damage performance in a particular build isn’t what I’m curious about, it’s how the weapon moveset feels to other people

[livid raven]

and bleed does very little to crushers

[rare idol]

I think it feels pretty good and has a lot of flexibility to go between combos

[mighty belfry]

Yes, and therefore that's why they're dangerous. By themselves they're fine. But they enable everything else to be far worse, more than any other boss really.

[zealous basin]

it took me 9 hits to kill a crusher with toxin saw and 13 without brittlesaw how is this better for crushers its not a maxed out saw but yeah

[vale garden]

Shivs can commit war crimes on hordes/mixed hordes if built right

[manic wolf]

If its eating people without being vomited on, thats RNG shitload of corruption

[obsidian crown]

I’m talking about how you said he heavily invested (in 2 melee nodes) and melees a lot. Meanwhile, his video timestamp, 0 melee for 5 minutes+ in havoc 40

[iron patrol]

crit on carapace deals 400 ish, id say take it for a extra 100

[rare idol]

I think the idea is you hit everything with brittleness and then your team can delete it

[worn gull]

Burgle is annoying especially if you bump into it at the wrong time.

[rare idol]

Oh lawd it’s you 😂 I’m gonna block you for a waste of time

[worn gull]

It's like running into a chaos spawn in a place without railings

[iron patrol]

yeah i just needle them or let the guy ravenously unloading ammo coming from my team do it

[obsidian crown]

Block me because you’re wrong? Got it.

[amber lotus]

blessings for saw?

[mighty belfry]

Bonbons are the only boss that their sole presence can straight up completely ruin a run in the wrong place from my experience

[rose flax]

Worker threads I mean

[zealous basin]

thats fair but I seen someone saying that brittlesaw is better for killing crushers which is only half true if u have no teammates its worse

[bleak moon]

I dont know if this is a bug or feature but I really like it.

if you interupt your reload animation till your on the last part (racking the bolts) it gets stored pressing F refills the mags but the reload animation is kept so you only have to rack the bolts to keep shooting.

[limber cradle]

Plogryn can if it spawns in a real fucked up area ime

But thats way more situational

[cedar cairn]

True you need ledges for Plogryn to ruin everything

[novel oracle]

works on my machine

[worn gull]

Pretty much. It's just that like 99.5% of the time it's the least impactful boss. But when it shows up at the exact wrong spot...

[vale garden]

Ive been running CDR on my berserk build, and pop it once berserk finishes

[limber cradle]

This guy doesn't like doing an asinine amount of damage

[mighty belfry]

Here we go with the completely objectively wrong takes.

[bleak moon]

what build is that. thats wild LOL

[limber cradle]

I got another solo clutch with ganger today

[vale garden]

Im curious what peoples thoughts are on whether thats the better setup, or using a combat stim while berserking to commit super war crimes

[rare idol]

Yeah I definitely prefer toxin if it’s just me. I also like refined lethality presumably because I’m not bothering with the math

[tardy citrus]

is it confirmed we'll be getting more actual cosmetics for scum?

[zealous basin]

wtf is a bonbon

[limber cradle]

This class makes me wanna start recording my gameplay

[novel oracle]

i also never realized till now that reapers dont actually reload
the sound i though was them reloading was just them beating the shit out of their gun cuz theyre mad it stopped shooting

[cedar cairn]

Ork reload

[limber cradle]

Canon ogryn behavior

[iron patrol]

wait they dont? what the fuck

[mighty belfry]

Beast of Nurgle

[amber sapphire]

me desperado soloing Auric rooms for new players

[zealous basin]

fair im using saw as a oh shit i need to reload but if i take the time to do so i will die weapon

[weary star]

i'm not crazy and enemies keep tracking through dodges even when you're wielding melee right ?

[mighty belfry]

Are you using Nimble?

[zealous basin]

oh thats silly

[blissful gull]

What blessings/perks on crowbar?

[amber lotus]

Maybe I'm just dumb and wrong but blaring hocus pocus by focus and shooting infinite bullets is maybe fun actually?

[weary star]

not even

[empty jacinth]

who the hell is standing still in the hit game Darktide for PC and consoles 2025?

[mighty belfry]

Shiet

[rare idol]

I like it a lot in a right side build, I had great performance on it in aurics. If you stack some chem traits you become pretty unkillable

[cedar cairn]

Hive Scum is great at clearing shooters but I have been feeling the struggle trying to meaningfully contribute to any bossfight

[vale garden]

Im leaning towards keeping the cooldown stim, since berserk build seems so heavily weighted towards keeping berserk up as much as possible

[zealous basin]

ganger excels at filtering bad players out of auric or something idk

[rare idol]

And the needler letting you precoat a mixed horde in chem is very nice

[gritty arrow]

marksman Vet players

[vale garden]

EXCEL MENTIONED

[amber lotus]

Hot take: Clearing chaff is contributing to a bossfight. Any half decent player can solo pretty much any boss if theyre left alone to do it

[rare idol]

Everything comes in doing less damage, taking damage and giving you boosts

[mighty belfry]

Ganger release is nothing like Arby release.

[clever wren]

The Codex Astartes DOES approve this post

[amber lotus]

If you can go apeshit and keep all the heat off them the other players will melt a boss instantly

[mighty belfry]

I'm seeing way less Gangers compared to Arbies when they first came out.

[vale garden]

RAAAH SPREADSHEETS

[zealous basin]

fair im using chem dependancy desperado so i might try some of them

[neon fern]

shock and awe + decimator

[empty jacinth]

I main this and I assure you we don't, its actually required to be wriggling to keep toughness up 🥹 Marksman now no longer has anything to do with you being still

[rare idol]

Also if nobody is clearing chaff/specials it’s pretty easy to end up in a full team wipe when burster train comes or a bunch of trappers

[novel quest]

at least we can see who's bad at the game with this class

LMAO

[iron patrol]

captains? yeah you are better off dodging if you arent running desperado, monstrosities is just needle pistol free damage

[gritty arrow]

Then why do my teammates keep doing it?

[amber lotus]

Tunnelvision on plague ogryn into trapper wipe is the cringiest wipe

[cedar cairn]

I am running Desperado but I'm usually stuck on that 20% ammo (two mags)

[empty jacinth]

Fuck knows 😂 If you dont no-life this game like me you probably just remember whatever you used to with this game. My friends always complain how often the talents reset

[rare idol]

I wish there was a “let me handle the boss I will solo it, go kill the trapper who will spawn inside me” radio button

Number 1 enemy tho is ledges, too bad no way to kill

[iron patrol]

blinder nades stun them pretty sure, you can keep them still for your team

[rare idol]

If they add a class with a feather fall spell instant SSS tier class

[novel oracle]

its one i need to use more
i think the beak mode is cool but i personally would use it less due to how unsafe it is on this class due to it locking you in place during it (the saw is similar in a way at times), but luckily the blunt mode has a safer, albeit less effective when used against armor (but sometimes the better option depending on the situation, cant deal damage if youre dead)
blessings are superiority and can opener/take a swing
i just slap cara/unyielding on most melees without testing so im not the best person to ask

[iron patrol]

psyker on DMT floating up

[rare idol]

Crowbar is super cool and I like the rip

The blunt wides are very nice horde clear

[bleak moon]

crowbar shits on maulers its nice

[primal oriole]

It's probably been asked and answered already but the penance "Stimmed", how do I maintain a full stack of Chemical Dependancy for 1000 seconds?

[rare idol]

You can also mash crushers up with it pretty good

[rare idol]

No idea, I been running it constant with zero progress

[cedar cairn]

I should probably start grabbing Blinders over the BoomBringer

[rare idol]

My best guess is take a stim with like 1 point spend and constantly chug it

[rare stirrup]

Scum gameplay

[rare idol]

chem dependency seems ass for the main effect but I like the toughness gain

[rich carbon]

hows the crowbar feel?

[primal oriole]

ambatuscum

[empty jacinth]

Crowbar is the most in your face about its weapon special I've ever seen a weapon in darktide.

It isnt trying to be the mysterious stranger and I love it for that. Very easy, this side for isngle target, this side for horde.

[noble latch]

figured out how to progress it the best, you gotta use the cartel stim to replenish your toughness after getting hit by a melee attack or shot a bunch

[zealous basin]

at least im not drinkin brian

[rare idol]

Meanwhile needler and bone saw are complete mystery specials

[noble latch]

it doesnt seem to count the coherency regen at all

[neon fern]

u fw unstoppable force on it considering how it actually works ?

[mighty belfry]

This penance is annoying.

[empty jacinth]

ive not got to them yet 🤫

Im only level 10 still

[stone crater]

what exactly does trickster do on the duel stub pistols

[amber sapphire]

this game really needs a mag fed shotgun, i tried regular ones, and even with speedload it takes too long for shell loading

[rare idol]

They’re awesome but be prepared for a tricky moveset on bonesaw

[exotic citrus]

Does attack speed caps? I feel like it becomes redundant after a certain point lmao.

[noble latch]

i just kept using the stim off cooldown to refill my toughness

[amber sapphire]

in context of desperado

[primal oriole]

yea I can't seem to figure it out either

[empty jacinth]

Ah another mystery to solve like me forever forgetting which heavy sword is doing what for its specials at what times for which combos at any given day

[novel oracle]

nah i dont think its worth

[broken bear]

stub pistol blessing?

[noble latch]

you just keep using the stims, and keep the keystone at max stacks

[steep vale]

in 1 mission i applies at least 560 stacks of chem tox and im amazesd

[novel oracle]

and having to build massively into cleave

and cleave adjacent things

shock and awe is BiS

[rare idol]

Got a NEED for CLEAVE

[patent dock]

If it has the word crit or reload speed in it take it

[primal oriole]

brother, i'm tweaking, every time, but the stim recharge isn't fast enough to maintain it

[rare idol]

SCOOMING FOR CLEAVE

[novel oracle]

run n gun is mandatory though

[noble latch]

then take out some stim upgrades

[neon fern]

i got it with can opener and i think it's p goog but i was hesitating with take a swing instead

[novel oracle]

then you pick reload speed OR crit

[noble latch]

or grab the stim regen on kill talent

[cedar cairn]

Do the Desperado auto-dodges count towards Quick and Deadly

[primal oriole]

take out?

[novel oracle]

i think superiority is the mandatory pick then either of those two are the choice

[bleak jetty]

Can confirm fellas
Using this with a green stimm heals an entire corruption bar for the whole team.

[noble latch]

make a shorter cooldown stim

[novel oracle]

depending on how often you use the beak mode

[patent dock]

Yes

[broken bear]

wb dual autos

[neon fern]

i think beak mode ain't that good ngl

[patent dock]

Crit and reload is mandatory

[wanton prawn]

What's the dump stat for combat axe on hive scum? Considering we want speed so much it can't be mobility.

[neon fern]

it roots u and it's not that big dmg

[steep hatch]

this is an interesting bug

[broken bear]

mobility.

[zealous basin]

what bug?

[wanton prawn]

Dat's intentional

[steep hatch]

oh neat, i didn't realize

[amber lotus]

Its not a bug, they let you do that now

[noble latch]

its just visual

[broken bear]

crit.

auto pistol.

lol.

[sonic pumice]

Thanks for the answer mate

[broken bear]

lmao even.

[patent dock]

Its mostly visual the default aura is active

[high gull]

Missing out on rampage blender

Just pop that shit

Run into a horde

And mince meat everything

[zealous basin]

whats wrong with crit autopistols

[primal oriole]

OH

[amber lotus]

Its not a bug, they let you change blitzes and action abilities in your tree now without redoing everything

[broken bear]

im going desperado

[broken bear]

crit blessings for it???

[primal oriole]

I never paid attention to the cooldown counter, the less you put in the quicker the cool down

so THAT's how you do that penance?

[noble latch]

yes

[fast wind]

Any tips on Enhanced penance, I feel like toughness regen is weirdly not too great on the stims so it doesnt proc too much to count for the penance

[zealous basin]

u dont need a crit blessing for it it gets enough crit chance

[noble latch]

just make the stim the lowest at 15 seconds

[broken bear]

yes im making fun of the fucker who said use a crit blessing

[noble latch]

then spam it nonstop through missions

[broken bear]

[high gull]

Fianlly got my shanker outfit set up

[noble latch]

youll hit 2000 seconds in a handful of missions

[primal oriole]

But if I only have one for 15 seconds, will the timer last equally long?

[novel oracle]

dual autos dont HAVE any crit chance blessings lmfao

[zealous basin]

they just said whats good on auto guns they never said what blessings are good on autoguns

[primal oriole]

forget the potency, I just want the effect to last long enough

[broken bear]

also desperado is

Start firing -> pop desperado before mag ends -> stim when desperado over to regen cd

[amber lotus]

The outfits for the scum are a vibe

[novel oracle]

you can only extend the stim by 5s with a talent

[primal oriole]

oh okay so that's in the talents

that's fine

[rare idol]

🔪 🌭

[broken bear]

it was a question on blessings.

[zealous basin]

for blessings id take pinning fire

[zealous basin]

oh

[broken bear]

also i refuse to ever put crit chance on a weapon

or crit dmg

[high gull]

That's what I've been doing

[novel oracle]

dual autos want blaze away and speedload

[primal oriole]

I was wondering the fewer passives you have put into your stimm lab, the shorter the period

[zealous basin]

and blaze away

[high gull]

Turn a 60 round mag into a 120 round mag

[primal oriole]

but it lasts all the same?

no matter how many passives you put in

[novel oracle]

yeah basically

[broken bear]

speedload is needed for those clunky reloads

[neon fern]

blaze away and run and gun if ur cool but speedload is good too ig

[noble latch]

correct

[primal oriole]

sic

sick

okay

[novel oracle]

speedload is vital
its such a massive difference

[primal oriole]

i know how to do this then

[deep moon]

Does Hyper Critical affects captains/lieutenants?

[novel oracle]

no

[broken bear]

no

[zealous basin]

pinning exists

[neon fern]

i feel like i get enough reload speed with the talent

[novel oracle]

speedload is better

im not shitting you its so much better

[deep moon]

🥀

[primal oriole]

so which talent point is best to maintain the longest stimm effect?

[broken bear]

blaze away + speedload is goated

[zealous basin]

yeah but it and speed loader dont stack together

[novel oracle]

yes they do

[zealous basin]

its bugged

[broken bear]

faster reload = more damge

[zealous basin]

istg

on my soul

[manic wolf]

I tested it earlier, they dont unfortunately

[amber sapphire]

Speedload is literally your ult extender

[novel oracle]

no it isnt

[zealous basin]

on my soul it is

I know reload speed itself isnt bugged

[primal oriole]

me and the homies huffing slow mo in the mourningstar before mission

or black lace

[manic wolf]

There was no difference between stacks of the blessing with or without the perk

[cedar cairn]

Speedload + Run N Gun are my favorites

[neon fern]

i can keep the ult going aslong as there's targets with the reload speed talent alone

[primal oriole]

Dude, run 'n gun isn't even good i just use it for fun

[neon fern]

i c the value

[primal oriole]

max paynemaxxing

[neon fern]

but i can just get something else

[high gull]

Nobody queing story mode auric no man's land :/

[main wagon]

Run n Gun feels more like Wolfensteining

[cedar cairn]

It's free damage

[high gull]

Bro I just want the portrait

[novel oracle]

the less time you spend reload the more time you can spend shooting outside of your ult
which also keeps vultures dodge up so you can nearly have the desperado effect up without even being in iit

[manic wolf]

People turn it off in quickplay because of twins fight or train mission

[amber sapphire]

why though, desperado makes you borderline immortal, so it's best to keep it up as long as u can

[blissful gull]

Is there a cap for your attack speed?

[high gull]

But neither of those are difficult tho

[main wagon]

If I was home Id queue rn because I still haven’t gotten to do auric trenches

[neon fern]

but that's what i said, i can already keep it going forver without speedload

[main wagon]

Only got it in the rotation while leveling through damn

[primal oriole]

@rare idol have you seen this convo btw?

[manic wolf]

Not in isolation no, but if you roll three helmets who dont know what they're doing, its a slog to hard carry those missions

[main wagon]

Map song is HEAT

[cedar cairn]

Yeah Speedload will get let you dump another 2-3 MAGAZINES of ammo before Desperado runs out, it's a damage multiplier

[rare idol]

About bugged speed load?

[primal oriole]

no the Stimmed penance

[broken bear]

ok so @novel oracle speedload talent and blessing, stack or naur

[primal oriole]

reducing passives reduces cooldown but period effect does not diminish, using Sample Collector in the talent tree also restores the seconds

[blissful gull]

@novel oracle do you know if there is a cap/limit on attack speed?

[manic wolf]

I tested it earlier, they're not stacking, the blessing takes priority (its probably a bug)

[proud rapids]

does stimm supply use the collected stim?

[broken bear]

is ur name epic cole

[novel oracle]

in order
1 stack of speedload blessing
5 stacks of speedload blessing
1 stack of speedload blessing + speedload talent
5 stack of speedload blessing + speedload talent

[manic wolf]

Why does this video not play

[zealous ravine]

discord haunted as hell

[unreal osprey]

works for me, might be a mobile issue

[novel oracle]

discord does this sometimes

[cedar cairn]

Mobile is fucked

[novel oracle]

its not playing for me either

and i fucking posted it lmao

[manic wolf]

Im not on mobile lule

[zealous ravine]

it works for me but one earlier didnt

[cedar cairn]

Oh discord is just fucked then

[tardy citrus]

LOVING this class tbhh

the stim lab rocks

[manic wolf]

Ahh its working now

[ornate ember]

video is working now

[manic wolf]

Weird.. cos I tested it with Stubs an there was zero difference

[novel oracle]

idk i can literally see a noticable difference between all versions

[cedar cairn]

QUICKLY FILL THE APP WITH MICROTRANSACTION AND MAKE EVERYTHING WORSE
WE CAN'T LET OUR SHAREHOLDERS DOWN

[novel oracle]

in order its 10%
50%
40%
80%

[frigid sluice]

whats your opinion on this class

[zealous ravine]

i think if we replace shareholders with like snails and pillbugs that would be better

[novel oracle]

cool and fun but structurally incomplete

[zealous ravine]

or just kill them that also works

[frigid sluice]

what does that mean

[novel oracle]

resulting in many crippling design flaws

[primal oriole]

Does anyone know the decay timer on Chemical Dependancy? per stack

[neon fern]

depends if u have 4 stacks or 3

[primal oriole]

oh right

yea

90 seconds

for 3

60 for 4

[neon fern]

60 for 4

[manic wolf]

Base 90s, with perk, 60s

[primal oriole]

that's right

okay

[civic plinth]

Hey I have a question is blessed stimms passive bugged

[vale garden]

It doesnt go through wounds

If thats what youre thinking

[primal oriole]

So just make a stimm that has enough time under 90 to maintain the stack

[bleak moon]

how hard is this one. Seems brutal

[primal oriole]

cool cool cool cool

[manic wolf]

Bear in mind stacks start decaying as soon as you get them, not after the stim ends so you have to factor in both the duration and the cooldown period

[primal oriole]

literally just talking about it

[civic plinth]

No like I know it doesn’t go threw wounds I just meant in general

[bleak moon]

oh lol

[primal oriole]

It's not hard it seems

[novel oracle]

thats total, not consistent

every second spent at max counts

[vale garden]

Not that I've heard then

[neon fern]

if u want to it as quickly as possible do not pick the 4 stacks node

[spark gyro]

What the heck is cartel special? Can't seem to find it anywhere?

[rich carbon]

what blessings for shivs?

[bleak moon]

oh good. I was like thats fucking brutal of a penance

[neon fern]

it's ur stim i think

[wanton prawn]

The special stim in the Stimm Lab tab

[rich carbon]

i assume riposte and flesh tearer?

[zealous ravine]

the 4 stack node is so stinky

[tardy citrus]

they better come out with some crazy drippy skins on the dual stub pistols

[primal oriole]

to explain it, you need to maintain a full stack, which is 3 stacks for 90 seconds or if you put a talent in for 4 stacks, then it's 60 seconds.

so all you do is just go to your stimm lab and remove enough passives so the cool down for your stimm is below 90 seconds or 60 if you're using the 4 stack talent and keep reapplying before the full stack depletes

[tardy citrus]

so much potential

[hardy maple]

am i tripping or do shivs not stagger one very hit?

[novel oracle]

for example
the stim crate consumes your stim to give its effects
the keystone gives you a stack of cooldown reduction for a long time per stack when you use a stim
this makes your crate regen faster
but your crate needs your stim to be good, so your ability cdr isnt the bottleneck your stim is, esp since you can get the crate to instantly regen when a stim is ready via a subnode
and the only way to make your stim come back faster is a blue talent that requires kills
but with this keystone and ability that are supposed to work well together, you cant regen your stim well cuz all the killy power is in the other keystones and abilities
so the result is that you suck at killing things and either have a weak stim that does near nothing often, or a strong stim once in a blue moon

[manic wolf]

Its situational, if you have only one tree of the stim for a 44s cooldown and the node to shorter CD on kills, its alright for the bonus, but much like the 90s base and a full stim tree, the timing is kinda tight

[zealous ravine]

theres no effect for when my stacks r about to go down so i keep forgoring about them as i stab the hordes and stuff lmao

[novel oracle]

i still will never know why they didnt go with stim cdr for chem dep

it would play into the unique mechanics of the class and allow for people to have fun with the stim

[frigid sluice]

Damn

[zealous ravine]

mayb some mod gives a withdrawal visual effect when chem dependency is running out

[frigid sluice]

Is this class powerful overall to be worth buying

[novel oracle]

but with how its set up now the stim is best used just to give yourself cdr during the downtime of the ranged/melee abilities

[bleak moon]

its fun to play

[manic wolf]

If you're a mechanically competant player, yes, if you have a hard time on other classes, probably not

[novel oracle]

this class is super strong in the other too trees and fun to play with good weapons
but they arent the easiest to pull off

[rare stirrup]

Id say generally you shouldn't buy classes based on power

Balance always changes

[winter tusk]

class very strong, also high skill floor be prepared to play like a psyker or die

[wanton prawn]

Wouldn't that get in the way of 'The Chem Stim is entirely optional' thing? Like how Arbitrator can work with any keystone, regardless of whether they're taking the dog. If CD only affected the chem stim then that'll break oone of their precepts

[broken bear]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-gitgud-silksong-hollowknight-gif-11555526335271834339

[zealous ravine]

do you want your own little crackhead? if yeah buy class

[novel oracle]

hive scum born after december 2nd only know 2 things
kill fucking everything
and die

[cedar cairn]

It's not cracked but it's fun
If you enjoy Scryker you'll have a blast with Hive Scum

[patent dock]

I mean desperado is a very strong selling point, yet there are concerns in the stim tree since timing can be extremely tight

[rich carbon]

what blessings / perks do I want on the dual shivs

[neon fern]

yeah it kinda sucks, u don't really use it before a fight but after

[vale garden]

and scum puns

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/real-shit-i-sleep-shaq-triggered-woke-gif-17504394

real shit?

[frigid sluice]

So it’s the strongest but super skill reliant?

[novel oracle]

would you rather be able to take a keystone and be able to make a stim focused build where you spam high powered stims as the core part of the build
or have what we have now where the actual stim effect is an afterthought

[winter tusk]

yes

[broken bear]

he said strong not strongest

lol

[winter tusk]

one of strongest

[neon fern]

like u never getting enough value of the killing parts of the stim compared to the cdr that will give u back ur borked abilities

[frigid sluice]

Rad take my money

[winter tusk]

its probably close to psyker with good build and piloting

[manic wolf]

The way round the timing issue is to only take one tree in the stim section and stick with the 3 stack base, gives you about 30s of leway

[broken bear]

everything is strong just git gud

[novel oracle]

keystones are supposed to be build defining
arbites has an extra set of keystones specifically for the dog
so saying that limiting it to a mechanic for the class isnt a good idea doesnt make sense

[winter tusk]

some mod keeps crashing my game

think it might be scoreboard or something

[novel oracle]

like their unique thing IS THE STIM
and right now the stim just sucks to use

[zealous ravine]

scoreboard is sogged rn

[frigid sluice]

idk if they updated scoreboard but that was def why my game was crashing

[novel oracle]

in every possible way you could use it

[winter tusk]

ok figured

[frigid sluice]

deleted it and haven't crashed once yet

[broken bear]

scoreboard was updated

check mod disc

[winter tusk]

i turned it off and the other mods seem fine

[zealous ravine]

oh lol

[winter tusk]

still need to update then

[frigid sluice]

redownloading scoreboard

I must have my green circles

[zealous ravine]

chem dependency sohlda been smth goofy like allowing a 2nd custom stimm slot

that woulda been hilarious

[patent dock]

I am realizing that through testing but the more I play around with the stims the more I am inclined to not use it; since either you have a minor stim or create a godly concoction that will never be around

[amber sapphire]

@novel oracle have you tried any autoguns on desperado? Wanna run them tomorrow

[frigid sluice]

what is the strongest class/build rn I heard zealot fell off

[woeful hill]

I killed zealot

[kindred plume]

Any idea the best curio substats?

[amber sundial]

stim is now permanently active: reduce max talents by 15 would be silly

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-433-gif-1318904790060904462

[patent dock]

I am bias, so don’t listen to me. Veteran

[broken bear]

one crusher

[novel oracle]

i used the brauto in an earlier version of desperado where it could be extended longer, but pickpocket didnt work at the time
it was fine, that was what i used when me khan vamp and reginald cleared the first 4 stack scum h40 on logi lmao

[frigid sluice]

how could you do this

[kindred plume]

Or do I just run CDR, Toughness and Stam regen?

[young herald]

is it 410 or 400 that is the liar stamina curio?

[amber sundial]

400

[kindred plume]

400

[young herald]

thanks

[manic wolf]

Thats kinda the deal with it yeah, but still, even with a weaker stim, you're still guaranteed to get it every 60s or so, sure you can use the map pickup stims, but they're not guaranteed

[wanton prawn]

I would rather have Techpriest, but we all knnow that's not happening

But I wouldn't say Arbitrator has a keystone specifically for the dog. Execution Order works just fine dogless. It still gives benefits to someone who doesn't take.

I think CD should do the same, and give meaningful advantages to both tiny and big stimms. BUt I'm no game designner

[zealous ravine]

sorry techpriest died

[wanton prawn]

Rip

[amber sapphire]

Nice, they feel good in testing room, so hope I won't fold uzis just dump ammo so much faster

[young herald]

literally just run sample collector and have a maxed out stim available every ~30s or so

[novel oracle]

But I wouldn't say Arbitrator has a keystone specifically for the dog
what color are keystone nodes

[obsidian crown]

what are the odds I see tthis in shop

[zealous ravine]

uhh uhh uhh bright neon pink

[broken bear]

LMAO

[novel oracle]

are these not keystones
it even says keystone

[rare idol]

Doggystones

[clever wren]

trusting tooltips

[wanton prawn]

Oh. I thought you meant the bottom ones.

[patent dock]

It is what it is, like was hoping for more in regards to the stim mechanics kinda hoping we could just run around with a crazy stim sharing the effects

[kindred plume]

Or has nobody gotten any ideas on what the substats should be yet?

[wanton prawn]

tbh they don;t really register to me at all

[novel oracle]

my point with these is that arbites has better ways of leaning into a playstyle with their tree than broker does

[zealous ravine]

arby tree is just forgettable tbh

[novel oracle]

you could spec for what your dog does
or remove it altogether

[broken bear]

@novel oracle for stimm one full cdr, grab strength or no

once*

[patent dock]

I mean my dog is named “ole’yeller”

[primal oriole]

ok so

[rare idol]

I’ve been liking stam reg/toughness and CDR for the curios too. I think for a despacito build you might want sniper resist or something but I didn’t feel the need

[frigid sluice]

they should add a arbites keystone where they fuse with the dog

[novel oracle]

i personally dont
i take pure cdr because getting back into the abilities is stronger than whatever the stim could give me for 15s so i would rather have that more than the stimm buffs but even less often

[amber sapphire]

Also, is there any fucking indicator when stim is done recharging?

[kindred plume]

Also... Game gave me 6x +3 stams... You know I'm going to do it on the side.

[worn gull]

The arbites is definitely more of a jack of all trades, through both it's design and (lack of) balancing

[novel oracle]

it flashes once when it finishes recharging

[worn gull]

The scum is clearly intended to be deeps

[patent dock]

Barely

[kindred plume]

I got 2x 17% and 3x 21% hp.

[wanton prawn]

The least noticeable flash in the world.

[noble latch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

[novel oracle]

yoink

[amber sapphire]

Ye, i saw that but it's extremely hard to track during chaos

[zealous ravine]

yea i already got taht mod lmao

it is very convenient

[primal oriole]

it's clearly been more than 1000s i've maintained the stack

[amber sapphire]

It needs a highlight or something

[zealous ravine]

holy frick

[primal oriole]

i'm gonna assume "max stack" means 4, so you HAVE to include the 60 second talent

[brittle sierra]

When is numeric ai updating 😞

[zealous ravine]

they're multiplying

[noble latch]

oh yeah theres 2 now

[amber sapphire]

Omg, lmao

BLESS THE MODDERS

[cedar cairn]

I'm so glad it's not just me lmao

[cedar cairn]

Oh to be a happy sunbathing pig

[zealous ravine]

its way better than looking at the heckin uhh saturation of the stimm icon

[hardy maple]

is the female anarchist voice rinda?

renda?

rinda

[cedar cairn]

Also that it fills top-down instead of bottom-up for some reason

[zealous ravine]

new theory dropped

but no

[hardy maple]

i swaer one of the v oicelines sounds like something one of the karnak twins would say

[zealous ravine]

thERes no FLaVor WIthout SPooRT

[versed spruce]

Fr though why isn't this base game

At least the cd

[amber sapphire]

so like, british people?

[tepid hare]

rending or crit chance stimlab for poison ticks?

[novel oracle]

iirc its the savant

[lavish parrot]

Female psyker savant

[novel oracle]

dots cant crit
and toxin has very high adms against everything so theres no point

[rare idol]

Revive oh revive speed can also be a really good minor for despacito because it’s so fragile if you aren’t shooting or sliding

[outer estuary]

I can’t wait to one day use the stimms for anything but cooldown since I’m trying to knock out the ability penances as fast as possible

[digital drift]

moving onto stimm supply for penances
2 questions;
does stimm supply (deployed) stack with my stimm use?
and does the +5s stimm duration passive work with the Fast Acting Stimms modifier for Stimm Supply?

[cedar cairn]

Rinda is Emma Stannard
FemAnarchist is Jess Nesling (also the Female Savant Psyker)

[lavish parrot]

Female anarchist sounds too much like the savant I keep hearing her and thinking I got a psyker on the team

[cedar cairn]

You do, just a gun psyker lol

[unreal osprey]

cara unyielding on shivs?

[lavish parrot]

Honestly atp I WANT to have psyker on the team there's too much fragile scummers

[rare idol]

You can build scoom super tough, idk why people don’t

It’s not arbeetus tough but it’s tough enough to notice

[worn gull]

So far I've just seen the awkwardness with teen leveled scum hitting heresy. Elsewhere scum are doing better.

[novel oracle]

does stimm supply (deployed) stack with my stimm use?
it consumes your stim, so you cant stack it when you no longer have a stim to use
you also cant stim then deploy, otherwise it wont have the stim effects
does the +5s stimm duration passive work with the Fast Acting Stimms modifier for Stimm Supply?
no

[iron oyster]

whats the dump for needle? mobility like usual?

[digital drift]

thank you Cole, you a real G

[lavish parrot]

Everything except ammo I heard

[digital drift]

one last question;

good blessings/perks for needle pistol?

[iron oyster]

thats hilarious if true

[novel oracle]

pick your poison
stripped down and/or crit chance blessings

[unreal osprey]

the hive scum puberty is really rough

[novel oracle]

every other one does either close to nothing to the point of uselessness

or LITERALLY nothing

[broken garnet]

where do ye find scum weapon blessings n perks

[blissful gull]

I have not been able to complete a single havoc game on scum today

[hardy maple]

rate my scumminess

[zealous ravine]

i got the numericui temp fix i pressed f and my game exploded

[manic wolf]

Was low grade Hotshot ever fixed?

[misty thicket]

why does it have Point Blank

[vast yoke]

yeah exactly what I went for, also my setup on any stim supply build because you don't need combat ability regen at all

[novel oracle]

cuz it gives crit chance

[novel oracle]

wdym low grade

like is its value still 50%?

[unreal osprey]

does this have an icd or is it a permanent 10% toughness per second while under fire

[novel oracle]

yeah so its still useless

[manic wolf]

Tier one was providing a weapon with 500% cleave

[lavish parrot]

Not Water Cartel out of 10

[misty thicket]

does Point blank work? IT has no melee attack

[broken garnet]

top o da mornin

[vast yoke]

melee with your melee weapon lmao

[kindred plume]

Ah. How the drug keystone penance work anyway?

[primal oriole]

just did it, okay, it's when stacks deplete, that's when the penance pops

in this case, it did for me when i died

[novel oracle]

oh they did make it scale properly with tier now

but it still is hitmass iirc

[kindred plume]

It's not going up.

[novel oracle]

they fixed point blank a long time ago man

[rare idol]

Spam low cooldown drug seems to be the way but I’ve not tried it yet

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-nod-okay-gif-15542044

[novel oracle]

it now procs on melee weapon kill

[vast yoke]

it's exactly what it sounds yeah it's great

[kindred plume]

Yes, not going up.

[lavish parrot]

We showin our scum now? Hell yeah
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799231842498641940/1445755537324249199/201E801.JPG?ex=69322904&is=6930d784&hm=8f5181c06b7418e2ca5bb903c4660d9d4b5c3171d99b0761adeae02a2a23a871&

[manic wolf]

Ahh ok, that had potential to be good with Needle pistol but I guess crit is just gonna straight Ws for the extra stack of toxin, its gonna be the best for bosses an thats the only real consideration for the gun, maybe makes Crushers a two shot instead of three

[hardy maple]

yea but which one am i though

[rare idol]

That node just seems buggy and non functional in general

[amber sapphire]

oh shit, i completely forgot to test stuff in mortis

[winter tusk]

jarvis ban this person for nudity

[novel oracle]

stripped down also just makes it a stat stick for melee builds

[lavish parrot]

Iron Riders

[novel oracle]

a get out of ranged jail free card

[amber sapphire]

probably can make some insane build there

[novel oracle]

due to the stamina profile

[kindred plume]

So... lul then?

[hardy maple]

you had a 1/4 chance and.....

its the show, check the facepaint

[digital drift]

the sample transport pack from psyker store page goes hard af with the Tread Lightlies hazard paint

[worn gull]

What're folks doing for crowbar perks

[manic wolf]

Yeah, suppose there is that, not like you need to consider its damage much regardless in either instance

[primal oriole]

yea its good

[rich carbon]

4 hivescum in one mission is a nightmare hellscape ngl

[primal oriole]

to get the penance

[unreal osprey]

which gang cosmetics do you guys like

[lavish parrot]

This is bullshit ain't it

[novel oracle]

all the crit chance stuff doesnt really change too much for it yeah, so might as well give it some new unique utility thats especially useful on this class

[hardy maple]

no honest to god/the emperor

[vast yoke]

id like to know also. been running supremacy + opportunist on my melee centric builds (barely use alt mode besides for crushers)

[novel oracle]

its saved me already twice

[worn gull]

them's blessings, but curious about that too

[granite verge]

Anyone have a decent stimm supply build? Just need something temporary for the penance farm.

[novel oracle]

if youre rarely using the alt mode then just use take a swing instead of opportunist

[vale garden]

Is it just me or are reapers shooting through themselves

[vast yoke]

I was considering it tbf

yeah what the hell sure

[high gull]

Shirtless ganger unlocked

[vale garden]

The amount of times i've been 90 degrees away from where they're firing while in melee and still getting lit up is getting annoying

[lavish parrot]

We're all shirtless tho

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[rare idol]

If you do chem box with a toughness chem and the lingering trait you can spam it on them for big fights and it’s pretty easy

[broken bear]

my ganger has a bra :(

[rare idol]

Also you can spam tox on everything so they kill faster and easier which helps them stay alive

[worn gull]

Yeah just one dedicated chem ganger makes life way easier

[rare idol]

Booba too unclean for heretic eyes

[worn gull]

Legit great support class

[primal oriole]

soon

[waxen crypt]

Just thought. Does the Damage stat on the needle gun even matter?

[lavish parrot]

I heard not

I genuinely heard only ammo matters

But don't take my word for it

[bronze glade]

needle dump stat: yes

[rare idol]

Man nipples: acceptable, have a nice day
Woman nipples: forbidden even to heretics

[vale garden]

Im surprised the needler doesnt have any particularly useful blessings

[high gull]

All I'm missing atm is just the missions completed and rocket launcher penance

Don't have a good rocket launcher build tho :/

[rare idol]

It doesn’t need them, it’s insane

[crude robin]

lol

[vale garden]

I know its a good weapon

Still weird to not have any useful blessings

[rare idol]

Spam two mags of needler on a boss and watch the hp disappear

[vale garden]

Well really useful

[near vapor]

putting this on when I get it

[lavish parrot]

Sirosky you're guy I know that knows a lot about the game and stuff
Is it true that needle gun only needs ammo stat and everything else is dump

[near vapor]

Im showing my CHEST out into the world

[fervent steppe]

Ngl this class is definately good but its REALLY boring with its builds

[near vapor]

unironically lmao this is how some people see it

[winter tusk]

same

[versed spruce]

I thought the alt mode was like the entire thing of what made crowbar do decent damage

[bronze glade]

i don't have the needle gun yet lol, but my initial impression is dumping stability

[rare idol]

Then there’s BG3 where you can play as a giant bear with a big swinging dong

[near vapor]

lowkey FS approved shirtless is poggers

[lavish parrot]

Gotcha

[clever wren]

male nudity good, female nudity bad

many such cases!

[near vapor]

its some type of lowkey sexism

[flat mist]

Is there a list of known bugs with scum talents/mechanics

[honest shale]

Can't find a way to enjoy this class. It's just the worst parts of old pre-rework zealot that they stole for a new class.

[vast yoke]

what's your level? it feels pretty bad until id say lvl 16-17ish

[lavish parrot]

There's a bug where my entire team of hive scummers magically die

[rare idol]

Go down the right side tree and enjoy spamming tox on things and watching it die. Then use drug box to make your useless moron teammates powerful and good

[vast yoke]

it feels more like psyker than zealot to me tbh

zeaker

tweaker

[winter tusk]

its supposed to