hivescum-class

[flint granite]

Either option rules

[main wagon]

I hate that Lily had 0 good endings :(((

[limber cradle]

I agree

[exotic citrus]

Everyone talking about fallout new Vegas. Surprised no one is talking about tales of two wastelands

Best of both worlds

[main wagon]

Because it's just Fallout 3 and New Vegas connected lol

[limber cradle]

Tbh you can tell me you like any comp in New Vegas and I'll go "yeah I can understand that"

[flint granite]

She has bittersweet ones, it's why I like her character sm. That's just how it is when you get old

[main wagon]

And not many people gush over 3

[livid raven]

it kinda sucks

[reef spoke]

is it stable yet? I tried when it was really early on and I kept crashing

[hallow osprey]

I'm partial to him going back to being a hero
You're never to old to kick ass

[livid raven]

it has poor compatibilty with most mods

[reef spoke]

I mean I expected it but still

[silver mural]

I like Boone

[livid raven]

and i don't want to play f3 again, sorry

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ayasan-gif-24417454

[exotic citrus]

I never had too much crashing. Than again I was using a beefy pc

[flint granite]

But it's ok to get old too and focus on what you're good at now instead of what it used to be

[reef spoke]

I've just been giving it time to develop so I haven't really "played" it

[flint granite]

I thought about it a lot and it's probably what Rafaela would have wanted for him

[reef spoke]

still have it bookmarked though

[limber cradle]

Yeah I can understand that

[hallow osprey]

I miss my wife, Courier
(but he didn't miss her at the Legion camp ooooooooooooh)

[main wagon]

https://youtu.be/Kg0vNHxQxg8?si=xxfLrJ2PL-Sw_qLg @flint granite This is gonna be me

[flint granite]

LOL

[limber cradle]

Boone is probably my least favorite NV comp but that's also cause I used him a lot when I was a kid and I thought snipers were cool

[livid raven]

nah i love him

[main wagon]

Boone is amazing but honestly he makes it a lil too easy lol

[livid raven]

only way to beat him would be if they also made Marcus a companion

[hallow osprey]

fuck

[reef spoke]

I like Arcade Ganon because Energy weapons cool c:

[main wagon]

I like EDE's passive because it lets ME be Boone when I see a red blip on my compass radar

[limber cradle]

I love Arcade too

[main wagon]

For the longest time I never took Arcade

[flint granite]

Arcade my goat I love that whiny guy

[main wagon]

He has a great story

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[reef spoke]

he's also surprisingly good for combat

[main wagon]

Definitely a sleeper companion

[hallow osprey]

His name is Arcade how can you ignore that

[limber cradle]

Genuinely NV doesn't have a bad companion

[main wagon]

I literally did not find him

[exotic citrus]

Only really use Ede when I know I have to fight cloaked enemies. Vats makes the gunplay bearable imo

[hallow osprey]

right.
yeah.

[reef spoke]

to be fair, Arcade is in Freeside and Freeside is a shithole full of walking quests

I get why you would miss him lmao

[main wagon]

^

[limber cradle]

Also they should've let me bring Christine back to Veronica, that would have made new vegas a better game

[flint granite]

It hurts

[main wagon]

It's about letting go

[flint granite]

I KNOW

[reef spoke]

I use exclusively Explosive weapons these days

[main wagon]

DONT LET GO OF HER

[exotic citrus]

Let's be real. Only use Arcade as a byproduct of getting his armor set.

[flint granite]

IT STILL HURTS THOUGH

[limber cradle]

Only thing I'm letting go of after dead money is poverty the fuck you talking about

[main wagon]

THE WASTELAND SUCKS AND YOUR LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL

[reef spoke]

invisible enemies are funny because 0% hit is still 100%

[main wagon]

[hallow osprey]

I punch invisible people
Their fault for not being invincible instead

[reef spoke]

walk into the Tops Casino with a grenade machiengun

[flint granite]

Tbh if I'm not running energy weapons I let him go with them since I don't have a use for the Tesla armor

[reef spoke]

as intended

[delicate snow]

does hivescum have pre-order on xbox yet

[flint granite]

Nope

[main wagon]

Chris Avellone when I stick all the gold bars on Elijah's corpse and loot them through the forcefield

[delicate snow]

ty

[livid raven]

turns out letting go is actually rather easy, you just have to be smart about it

[main wagon]

Having the remnant show up at Hoover Dam is almost as cool as the Boomers tho tbh

[hallow osprey]

I lock Elijah in the vault
Fuck 'em
Let him suffer, damn asshole

[flint granite]

Having both tho? Chef's kiss

[main wagon]

The vertibird just coming down and dropping off these ELITE enclave dudes that start fucking cleaning up the legion? Peak

[exotic citrus]

I mean that's what power armor is made for. Guns user wear that iconic goated armor.

[main wagon]

Absolute cinema

[limber cradle]

Elijah could absolutely find his way out of the vault

That dude is Fallout McGuyver

[exotic citrus]

Either you wear that armor or wtf are you doing with your life?

[livid raven]

when i played the first time, i skipped through the computer's messages and opened the message i shouldn't have opened

[flint granite]

Absolutely safe capsule

[hallow osprey]

I always kill Ceasar with a Saturnite Fist
Get scrambled, little man

[flint granite]

He suffocates after the dlc if you tune back into the sierra madre radio

So he didn't

[livid raven]

i always enter the camp with boone once caesar invites you in

[limber cradle]

Tbh I've never bothered to do that, til

[flint granite]

We absolutely safe capsule his ass

[limber cradle]

I'm still killing him

[flint granite]

Based

[exotic citrus]

Man listening to Elijah turn delirious like that almost make me feel pity for em.

Almost

[flint granite]

I hate him too much to give him a quick death

[limber cradle]

Too dangerous to be left alive, too powerful to leave the glory on the table not killing him

Get shot with a BAR idiot

NV has such good gun taste tbh

[exotic citrus]

Don't you need to keep Elijah alive to run off with all the gold?

[limber cradle]

Ime no, no you do not.

[flint granite]

You should play through again with the hitman07 weapon animation mods, lowkey feels like a new game

[hallow osprey]

It'd be neat if the Dead Money ending had your character passing the gates and had "It's about letting go." show up in your subtitle color before ending.

[limber cradle]

You can literally pick up all the gold and slow walk the forcefield if your timing is good

[reef spoke]

"the player can have a 40mm machine gun as a treat"

[limber cradle]

I've been using hitmans anims since I saw ACB using them back in like 2015

[exotic citrus]

Anyone else got into ammo crafting?

[limber cradle]

Yes, I love coinshot

[hallow osprey]

I take most of the gold and then fuck off
Technique is for intelligent people

[flint granite]

He's been back porting a shitton of 76 stuff to nv lately

[livid raven]

nah, i just shoot bulletz

and if that doesn't work, i shoot more bulletz

[hallow osprey]

Cold Shoulder my beloved 💙

[flint granite]

I take as many as I can carry then I keep one and sell the rest

[exotic citrus]

I only got into ammo crafting because I found out hand loader basically boost your armor pen and overall dps

[limber cradle]

The only thing I am letting go of after dead money is poverty.

[exotic citrus]

That and I quickly find out it's easy as shit to craft too

[limber cradle]

I love coin shot on shotguns into siding with Not The Legion runs

They just deliver me more ammo consistently, does a metric fuckton of damage

Procs And Stay Back a lot cause it has an extra projectile in it

[exotic citrus]

Shotgun is boring to me in new Vegas. You break the game way too easily lol

[limber cradle]

I like shotguns in every game

New Vegas simply enjoys shotguns almost as much as I do

[hallow osprey]

I can't ever have a playthrough siding with the Legion
I fucking detest them
I want them all dead
I want them to scream as they see a pair of red goggles in the dark

[exotic citrus]

More partial to full automatic myself. You haven't lived until you gun down a a few death claws with half a mag left

Hand loader is especially strong with automatic weapons

[hallow osprey]

I like just about every weapon type
I'm partial to pistols, though

That Gun, Pew Pew, stuff like that

[exotic citrus]

All American for me

[hallow osprey]

Isn't that one sunk in water in a Vault? I think I just got that one because I got the rebreather

I got whatever one is stuck underwater, idk

[limber cradle]

All American is iirc in vault 34 which is radiation hell

[exotic citrus]

It's totally doable without the rebreather.

It's the constant rads that are the problem

[limber cradle]

Its a really good use of 5.56 ammo tho

[hallow osprey]

I have a lot invested in meds, so rads isn't a problem when one bag of Radaway removes the whole Rads bar

[exotic citrus]

But hey if you had rad child, you should never need a stimpack again

[hallow osprey]

I drink like 3 sodas and I'm good

[main wagon]

I wish A Light Shining in Darkness wasn't so bad

[hallow osprey]

same.

[silver mural]

Rad child is fun. Very much a QOL but in survival where all healing is over time its a great supplement

[exotic citrus]

Nah rad child is strong af. Very strong health Regen. Basically as much healing as a stimpack 24/7

[main wagon]

I used the GECK to make a mod when I was young that just gave it the ability to take the extended mag and increased the capacity to 11

Also boosted the damage a bit because for a .45 that gun hit like a wet bag of shit

[exotic citrus]

I had to use radiation is dangerous to balance out how op it was.

[limber cradle]

Ime Light Shining in Darkness tenderizes people on crit builds

[hallow osprey]

I wish the radiation bar would've stuck around so you don't feel the effects of radiation immediately
It kills you slowly, doesn't dumpster your max health in 4 seconds

[main wagon]

I've heard, but I didn't understand that as a child lol

The capacity always kept me from using it even on my crit builds

[limber cradle]

Idk, I normally use revolvers so the 1911 capacity doesn't bother me

[main wagon]

While yeah Paciencia only has 3 rounds, they're fucking railgun shots doing guaranteed crits

And pocket riot shotgun was a thing

With Shotgun Surgeon and And Stay Back you were a demon

I do wish energy weapons had a "shotgun" type weapon as satisfying as the tech shotties from CP2077

[worn gull]

Wait is class out yet

[hallow osprey]

No

[main wagon]

Nah

[hallow osprey]

2nd

[worn gull]

Channel got ma hopes up

[main wagon]

Soon, comrade

[worn gull]

But I want drugs now

[hallow osprey]

Same here.

[limber cradle]

Nah, this is new vegas channel atm

Actually

How long was this channel open before it devolved into talking about God's Gift to RPGs

[hallow osprey]

I wish NV wasn't rushed

[main wagon]

About 3-4 days IIRC

[hallow osprey]

There was so much shit we'll never get

[main wagon]

inb4 Scumchat becomes Zelchat General without the femboys

[limber cradle]

Laster long than I thought tbh

[hallow osprey]

Bethesda is too busy making Fallout 4 for the 3rd time so we're not getting New Vegas remake
Though Bethesda would fucking ruin that somehow anyways

[main wagon]

If they did what they did with Oblivion it'd probably not be as poorly received

[flint granite]

We all do

[exotic citrus]

Speaking of hive scum, I heard from the streamer that did a preview of the class that they gutted the class in the damage department while buffing them tankiness wise. Apparently hive scum used to be a glass cannon.

[main wagon]

It'd get flak for that separately entirely though

[hallow osprey]

Oh. I was kinda looking forward to a glass cannon class.

[main wagon]

Most of the tester folks in here say it's still a glass cannon

[hallow osprey]

yay

[limber cradle]

The secret is that every game you've ever played has a lot of good content on the chopping block

[exotic citrus]

Ah fair enough

[main wagon]

I'd take anything one single streamer says with a grain of salt

[hallow osprey]

The shit I've heard about New Vegas makes me want to weep, though

[silver mural]

Yeah this class isnt tanky at all

[main wagon]

Most of the dedicated tester folks are actively testing instead of putting out content. With respect to Reginald because he actually is doing both

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[main wagon]

Everyone got the showcases out to preview the customization and what toys we have but aside from that, all of the actual numbers are still a WIP

[young herald]

Tbf, the lions share of the testing has been conducted over the last like 3 months, and cannot be talked about at all

[hallow osprey]

I'm gonna sweat blood like Jesus Christ FUCK

[main wagon]

Some folks are actually dooming because they're worried about the devs adjusting things so close to release

I'd rather they be actively trying to get everything in a good place after delaying it as opposed to just sitting back like "🚬 yeah this shit boutta do numbers"

[main wagon]

One of the greatest crushing realities of adulthood was realizing that Monolith (studio behind FEAR) wrote such good lore for their mecha boomer shooter Shogo: Mobile Armor Division that I actually thought there was a whole manga and shit that I'd missed out on

Turns out it was just them saying "fuck it" on a random title and getting completely overshadowed by the release of Half Life

[hallow osprey]

Damn you GABEN

[limber cradle]

Monolith died for our sins man

So did Raven

[main wagon]

I found out that Surreal got absorbed into Monolith and died with them

[limber cradle]

If there was a cool company making good fps games they got bought out by Activision to work in the CoD mines

[main wagon]

Fuck dude, RIP Raven

Jedi Outcast/Academy

[young herald]

None of that is true, really.

There was a patch right before the preview embargo lifted that adjusted a whole bunch of stuff for the class, with both nerfs and buffs. Toughness gen was increased, but hyperviolence got nerfed, while the stim got the viscosity mechanic added, and so on. This changed basically everything about the class.

However, it's still a hilariously fragile glass cannon that dies if it so much as gets sneezed on and is entirely incapable of frontlining at all, and at the same time puts out silly numbers, if you're both good and aggressive enough for it

[hallow osprey]

We live in the worst timeline
There's probably timelines with zombies better off than us

Billy Joel was right. Only the good (game studios) die young

[main wagon]

Those timelines never created the mukbang

They still walk in God's light

[hallow osprey]

Ew, fuck that

I wanna listen to pretty ladies say nice things
Not chewing

[main wagon]

Okay I was worried for a sec lol

[hallow osprey]

Nah, you just reminded me that crap exists

Visceral reaction

Ogryn rock ASMR when

[main wagon]

That one video where it's just 4 ogryns in a circle inspecting the nade box lives in my head rent free

"Box? Box. Lunch?"

https://youtu.be/XbjuIYFPO2k?si=vKRxTv_gAlIf3Fqz

[hallow osprey]

Clearly too intelligent for us to understand

They see into the 4th dimension

[exotic citrus]

Did they nerf the unlimited Ammo ability? Cause I can see people rushing ahead like they're the doom slayer version of zealot otherwise lmao.

[young herald]

No, but they still fall over dead with it pretty quickly

[hallow osprey]

I want to experience a taste of being god
Please nerf it after I try it out

[exotic citrus]

Hm. I believe you when you say they're squishy as hell. But looking at their passive, it feels like they have the most dodge passive in their kit than any other class.

[trim wind]

imagine what happens if you don't dodge

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-car-drive-flatten-gif-16881641755937747949

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-tiny-toon-adventures-looney-tunes-anvil-gif-4632930310475529830

[exotic citrus]

Well no shit smart ass lmao

[odd jetty]

So whats the meta build chaps /s

[exotic citrus]

I meant that a hive scum player would probably have a lot of I frame up the ass.

[candid flint]

it wont save the majority of the playerbase

who tend to only dodge about 15 times in a whole match

[trim wind]

every other class has some form a failsafe if they take a hit

[trim wind]

how else are they gonna have time to take a drag off their vape during a game

[candid flint]

dont remind me of that

[trim wind]

you mean the greatest game we ever played?

[candid flint]

[exotic citrus]

Does anyone know if the stim you have get consumed when you use the stim box?

[silver mural]

For sure this is the best class at avoiding damage. But they have really poor tough regen and significantly lower DR then the 3 frontliner classes

[silver mural]

Yes it goes on cooldown

[candid flint]

it has lower than all of the classes

'frontliner' or no

[silver mural]

You missed a word there

[exotic citrus]

Not the ability, the stim consumable you find throughout the run.

[silver mural]

Yes also. So no reusing med stimms you cheeky devil

[exotic citrus]

Lmao well There goes my idea of being a healer

[silver mural]

Yeah i got no clue what psyker and vet get so i didnt want to overstate my knowledge

[exotic citrus]

I know vet get dodge distance and extra crit chance when they dodge.

[candid flint]

melee psyker for one is pretty much unstoppable, as far as toughness regen and tdr go

[bronze glade]

psyker in general has pretty dumb dr/tdr

[candid flint]

vet has golden toughness, iron will, funny toughness regen with exestance

just to name a few

[silver mural]

This classes tankiest build is with a tox chem heavy stimm set up using rampage prolly to max the DR options. But idk how high that would even get you. Your toughness replenish would still be pretty rough compared to others.

That stimm only effecting coherency toughness is really dumb

[exotic citrus]

You're better off playing it's strength, which is basically a Frontline rogue.

[silver mural]

For sure

But a melee tox chem build can very easily grab the additional DR and tough replenish

So its not like you are ruining the build for it

[exotic citrus]

Fair

[silver mural]

Especially since pathing to dependency is really really good ! Lots of people will be running that keystone

[exotic citrus]

I might go for the two bottom trees tbh. being fast in general and being able to spam your ability seems like the best pick

[silver mural]

Oh yeah for stimms never choose the durability one

I suppose between the fast and hit hard it might depend on the weapon

[exotic citrus]

So how does stim customization work? Is it an addon to the stim you find in a run?

[silver mural]

But this class likes to crit and more attacks is more crits so i think i can agree the speed stimm is better at least in a vacuum

[exotic citrus]

Or purely from your stimbox?

[silver mural]

You always have it

[exotic citrus]

Oooooh

[silver mural]

It has a cooldown based on how strong you make it

15 seconds is the base cooldown, every point of "viscosity" adds 2 seconds

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/johnwall-john-wall-gif-19239026

[exotic citrus]

So it replaces your stim slot I imagine?

[silver mural]

So a maxxed out stimm will have a 75 second cooldown with all 30 pts

Yes

And you cannot stimm allies unless using the supply box

[bronze glade]

yup

[exotic citrus]

Can you still pick up other stim out in the field?

[silver mural]

No

[exotic citrus]

Make sense

Kind of a problem in a pox gas modifier

[silver mural]

Unless you put zero points into it, if you have a custom stimm you miss our on map stimms. But tbf allies can just stimm you if needed

[exotic citrus]

Oh true

[silver mural]

What does the pox gas mod do

I havent played in a while

[exotic citrus]

Basically 75% of the map filled these poison like vent, and every once in a while it fills these room with gas, which damage your toughness, eventually do pure corruption damage.

[young herald]

Lots of green stims to counteract the corruption from the gas

[exotic citrus]

^

[silver mural]

The class does have alot of corruption healing in its kit which isnt very useful but maybe it would help. No idea tho

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/habit-not-habit-forming-dewey-cox-tim-meadows-gif-17887475

[exotic citrus]

If you know what you're doing the poison gas isn't all that dangerous. Maybe some chip corruption damage here or there. It only really dangerous if you get trapped in a room.

[silver mural]

Supply crate at least can make you immune to corruption and heals 40. Which can be helpful i guess if everyone wants to melee a beast of nurgle

[exotic citrus]

Which you're pretty fucked if you're in that situation to begin with

[silver mural]

Or blocking a DH to let the others dps it to death

To prevent the corruption damage that leaks through

But yeah not very useful overall. Course it isn't the point and more like a free little additional boon

It is funny vs captians who spam the corruption grenades

You can bully them a little bit

What other sources only do corruption and not any base damage?

[exotic citrus]

Being inside beast of nurgle

Being in dh aura. I believe chaos hound also does pure corruption damage.

Oh and being eaten by chaos spawn, assuming no one is near you. Otherwise you're safe.

[bronze glade]

bursters too

[main wagon]

It also takes someone from "one wound, will die immediately upon expiration" to survivable

If they've already gone down

[exotic citrus]

Burster doesn't deal just pure corruption damage. They can deal normal damage too

[bronze glade]

if we're talking about only corruption then bursters wouldn't fall into that category

[zealous ravine]

bursters deal emotional damage

[bronze glade]

though they still deal a good amount of corruption damage too

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-emotional-damage-emotional-damage-gif-25817245

[zealous ravine]

this is true

[bronze glade]

there's also trappers

and cspawn eating

[exotic citrus]

I love being instantly detonated after turning a corner. Love the fact their sound cue doesn't work until it's too late. I love bursters.

[main wagon]

Dog munching is corruption isnt it?

[zealous ravine]

bursters are awesome and very fair every time

[exotic citrus]

I pointed it out yes

[bronze glade]

dog munching also does some base damage iirc

[silver mural]

Epic, ill use the crate next time i see a hound so as it eats me i dont take any damage!

[bronze glade]

the pounce does all corruption tho

[silver mural]

Oh yeah that thats actually a good point

[exotic citrus]

On a serious note I agree pox bursters are very fair. (Assuming my teammate doesn't shoot it as soon I am shoving range.) But I swear their sound cue doesn't always happen until they happen to round a corner out of no where.

[silver mural]

Yeah the sound cue if functioning is very fair

[bronze glade]

the sound cues are 100% busted

[exotic citrus]

It rarely happens but it's annoying when it does.

[bronze glade]

idk about rarely

it happens all the time

[exotic citrus]

Haven't played in a few good months so idk how it is lately.

And then there's the trapper who can shoot their net through walls

[flat mist]

If you're on your last wound being immune to corruption damage from a burster is irrelevant

[candid flint]

it isnt so much the cue that is critically busted

its the map sound uhh processing. idk the right word

but there are some spots ,in some maps, where certain sounds just will not play properly

usually certain thresholds between rooms

[amber sundial]

I thought trappers net dealt like 1 dmg along side corruption

[candid flint]

one that comes to mind is consignment yard. there is a shower room, before the mid event. you cannot really hear bursters that are in that room, but only if you are outside of it

[trim wind]

Near the drop down at the start of chasm logistratum

[versed spruce]

Enough to one-down-death you if you have a medium amount of pre-existing corruption

[candid flint]

this is just a skill issue

you just shouldnt have existed right there, at that point in time

[amber sundial]

mmm should’ve just dodged the burster explosion

[candid flint]

any seasoned player worth their salt would ahve seen that coming from leagues away

[candid flint]

yeah easily i-framed

another cole L

[flat mist]

Dogs maybe? Hopefully so I can leave my teammate dogged without them dying

[candid flint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-d2JMquYo

this clip always makes me happy for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCoUn9Q6c14

[hot nexus]

How does hot shot interact with the needle pistol?

[near vapor]

hive scum

[exotic citrus]

This is why I love helldivers. Being able to tk smug people without any punishment is half the fun/J

[compact oyster]

When did you become a tester mankar?

[candid flint]

after arby, before bound by duty

july or so

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[zealous ravine]

hi mr playtester can you nerf scriers

[amber sundial]

can scriers just nerf the psyker instead of buffing them

[candid flint]

we are going to give it gold toughness

[zealous ravine]

aaaaaaaaa

[amber sundial]

hi mr playtester we’re going to barrel you

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-bnuuy-gas-leak-meme-gif-8252508646824824494

[compact oyster]

Can you also make scrier give you 80% DR thank you

[candid flint]

we are giving it 100% dr

[compact oyster]

[trim wind]

Can you make vape breaks mandatory for when someone goes down

[candid flint]

the breathylzer update is coming soon

it will detect vape use

locking you out until you vape

[trim wind]

Excellent

Bound by Vape

[exotic citrus]

Can you make it so they can revive if they somehow get downed even with 100% Dr?

[dusk wagon]

When your bullet hits the head of a low-quality enemy, it can penetrate three enemies and cause dot damage to all three enemies

[zealous ravine]

this is so sad can we buff ds and inferno

[candid flint]

cant get downed because there is 200hp regen every .50 seconds

cant get ledged neither

[patent bone]

Hey where can I see the countdown for the class release?

[zealous ravine]

give inferno truly infinite cleave so it hits through walls

[dusk wagon]

Just like these weak enemies, you can penetrate through them

[zealous ravine]

in char select screen

[patent bone]

Eyy thanks

[hot nexus]

Neat

[candid flare]

Penetrate

[flat mist]

Am I stupid or is it ridiculously easy to maintain 3-4 stacks of chem dependency for the entire mission (excluding the first few minutes while you're waiting for 2 stim CDs)

[hot nexus]

So the alt fire mode can be maximized…

[exotic citrus]

Might do a pure range build tbh. Looking at their skills tells me ammo will never be a problem.

[candid flint]

fr? ty for your honesty man

that was p big of you

[zealous ravine]

not again

[exotic citrus]

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

[zealous ravine]

oh my god not again

[candid flint]

.

[exotic citrus]

Fair enough lmao

[rose flax]

Pickpocket is literally just bounty hunters talent lol

[exotic citrus]

I mean that's obviously the most popular consensus. But I'm sure the build crafting that helps with the nuance of it.

[compact oyster]

To be completely and utterly honest i think that dueling sword is too weak

[candid flint]

thats more like it

[zealous ravine]

i dont think im gonna be using the dual autos too much im expectinig them to get repetitive fast lol

[compact oyster]

We should buff dueling sword damage by 50%

[zealous ravine]

dual stubbers though... 🔥 🔥

[compact oyster]

That seems fair

[zealous ravine]

gun bash specials are so eepy...

[exotic citrus]

I'll probably use the brace auto guns. Might be really strong with hive scum

[trim wind]

To be honest, not sure about this mankar guy

Kinda sus

[compact oyster]

Maybe removing the surpressors as a special?

[candid flint]

i am sure of him

[zealous ravine]

to be Dishonest this class Sucks

[compact oyster]

Trading less spread for more damage but higher spread

[zealous ravine]

yea that works

[trim wind]

Oh ok nvm trust your judgment

[zealous ravine]

i personally never use a gun bash so anything else is better

[compact oyster]

Gun bash will genuinely never get used on autopistols

Bolter bash has an use for reload cancel and stagger

[zealous ravine]

fatshark defo struggles with making good ranged wep specials lol

trick shot is peak though

[drowsy relic]

The only gunbash I use is the double barrel shotgun

[zealous ravine]

that one has a silly anim

[dusk wagon]

You must carefully read the skill manual and carefully control the cooldown time of your skills. For example, the skill limit in the bottom right corner is 60 seconds (when there are 4 stacks). Your stimulant cooldown time must be less than 60 seconds. And the cooling time you see in the laboratory needs to be added to the duration of the stimulant to be the true interval time. If you mix a 40 second stimulant, its actual cooldown time is 40+15=55 seconds. If you choose the stimulant to extend your skill, then it is 40+15+5=60 seconds, and the 60 second cooldown time prevents you from stacking skills

[compact oyster]

You can also use the talent that gives stim cdr on kills

[dusk wagon]

There is a cooldown effect in your skill that reduces the cooldown time of the stimulant by 1% when killing enemies. This cooldown effect only applies to the 40 second portion in the example above and does not apply to the 15+5 portion

[compact oyster]

And the stacks degrade

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dap-me-up-mr-boss-pim-super-monkey-ball-gif-982477278828963206

[dusk wagon]

Yes, I know what you're asking, and I thought the same thing at the time. The test results can only say that we must try our best to reduce the number of laboratory skills

[tender forge]

I feel like the ganger would have played better id cooldowns didnt start after the effect ends

[amber sundial]

If that’s the case then rampage and desperado will just have 15 seconds base cd if used effectively

[trim wind]

Would be fucking broken

[dusk wagon]

Do not choose a duration of 20 seconds unless you are playing medical kit to assist teammates

[silver mural]

I could see 20 seconds still working if running sawblade for the 2 percent stim cdr per kill. But id have to test if its enough to close that gap

[amber sundial]

I’m wondering if the extra stimm duration even applies to the box

[silver mural]

Thats a good question

[amber sundial]

since it lasts for 20 seconds base or 5 + 15 linger with the one node

[silver mural]

Box doesn't work on some stimm nodes, maybe all of them

Its actually anti synergy with dependancy. But its flagged to be changed so afaik fatshark will make box work with chemical dependency

[amber sundial]

it’s probably because they changed box to eat stim mid test iirc

[silver mural]

Yesh its a little silly the chemist trees combat ability doesnt work with its keystone haha

[zealous ravine]

2 days to fix that 🔥

[dusk wagon]

If it's a medical kit. So the+5-second upgrade is only applicable to the four potions you found in the instance, and is not effective for the potions you prepared in the laboratory

[dusk wagon]

I have already reported this bug, I am not sure if it will be fixed on the 2nd

[zealous ravine]

ur also a tester? neat

[dusk wagon]

temporary

[zealous ravine]

first tester to escape from fatshark

[amber sundial]

That’s just what fatshark wants them to believe

[patent bone]

FS: "You can't run from me!"

[versed spruce]

Was this the same guy who made the one on Arby release about the Judge Dreddlings

[patent bone]

Hey Testers, can you ask Fat Shark to release the Terminal Station PC Show trailer mix on OST?

[zealous ravine]

can i have a mc nuggie

[worn gull]

LMAO scum: "Go on, go on. Say something about Cadia. I know you want to."

[novel oracle]

the anarchist is top tier

heres 2 back to back interactions in a game

with a zealot

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=ZmnwhHljfNBQTe3q&t=428

[amber sundial]

wait I just thought of once niche thing, if you have chem box without linger node and the regain toughness stim would exiting and entering the boxes range give 50% toughness each time

[zealous ravine]

im happy anarchist is funny i was interested in trying that personality out since the VA blog

[novel oracle]

no

same thing for using a med stim with it, it wouldnt reproc the stim when exiting and entering

[main wagon]

FTFY

[amber sundial]

Fair enough

[zealous ravine]

the sequel

[worn gull]

LMAO you're right that is S tier personality

[main wagon]

"Used to eat people too HUEGHEUHUE"
"TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I KNOW HE DID"

"Whats in your lunchbox, hive scum?"

[novel oracle]

our reaction to that line was on reginalds stream hold on

https://www.youtube.com/live/fZBpM8rkF6w?si=V3777VFswMPDAs6x&t=18615

[main wagon]

Just noticed your bot is Coletta

Lmao

[zealous ravine]

oh i posted those voicelines

actually peakk

i posted some of the heavy ogryn too they're great

[main wagon]

Excited for fem outlaw

[nova cosmos]

Same

[zealous ravine]

havent seen much of outlaw myself

[main wagon]

When I saw one of the customization showcases, as soon as they got to that voice in the char select I was the neuron activation meme

[novel oracle]

have you seen frip frops short of them

[amber sundial]

is outlaw the one saying go say something about cadia

[novel oracle]

thats the anarchist

[zealous ravine]

im checking the outlaw vid from frip frop again rn lmao

[novel oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bRRl_DAtwzE

[zealous ravine]

unironically more hype than the cinematic

[novel oracle]

carpenter brut really sells it

[silver mural]

He only ate people for show, thats okay

[main wagon]

luv me community
'ate heretics
build a betta tomorrow
Simple as

[zealous ravine]

i feel like hotline miami music would be fun to hear while hive scum gaming

[main wagon]

Im hype to see her interactions with fatalist arby

[zealous ravine]

mayb i check carpenter brut too though

[silver mural]

Stinky stinky stinky is a funny line

[amber sundial]

as someone has said before

[silver mural]

That person plays with cole, is it you

[amber sundial]

“Pokémon”

[zealous ravine]

oh i dont playtest

[silver mural]

I like when the anarchists repeat words

Its all very hyper

[zealous ravine]

actually im not sure these arent that intense so far

[silver mural]

Outlaw sounds nice, bounty hunter is prolly the biggest asshole, while anarchist does clap back its more comedic and quippy or insane

[thin bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/thejoker-joker-batman-pokemon-there-no-laws-against-the-pokemon-gif-13735524822461565039

Anyways

[amber sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124335205650538509/1283126260775784529/bonk_loop.gif

[silver mural]

The lopunny looks into it wtf

[novel oracle]

yeah thats khans name after the first day

because of that line lmfao

[silver mural]

Does khan have a youtube channel too

[zealous ravine]

should be khandones

[novel oracle]

yeah? bigger than me lmao

[bronze glade]

watching your graia brauto video... brauto still looks painful

[novel oracle]

mostly just gameplay

[novel oracle]

OK LISTEN

I FORGOT TO CHANGE MARKS TO AGRIP

THAT WHOLE TIME

[silver mural]

Oh i think i watched a 40 havoc on their channel, i think you and reg were in it

[bronze glade]

FS really couldn't be arsed to change the dodge variable from 2 to 4 huh

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/r8VcandAsY.gif

[novel oracle]

I ALSO HAD CDR ON MELEE KILL STIM ON THIS RANGED BUILD THINKING I HAD IT ON RANGED KILL

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-cat-tweaking-cat-help-gif-15027370981305715566

[bronze glade]

that would've been less painful, but still painful based on where brauto's currently at lol

[novel oracle]

ok so the reason for brautos in that run

suppression suppression suppression suppression suppression suppression

pickpocket at the time didnt work properly, it was only 20% of a MAG instead of reserves at the time

so ammo was only infinite if you only ever really shot during desperado

[bronze glade]

the horror!

[silver mural]

Whats the best braced auto. I have used the graia cuz it has alll the ammo but thats about it

[novel oracle]

meaning that vultures dodge couldnt really be taken advantage as much outside of desperado

[novel oracle]

agrip

[bronze glade]

agri's the least shit

[silver mural]

Heh

[novel oracle]

but in that video above, im able to just keep shooting and be more aggressive cuz of vultures dodge

outside of desperado

[zealous ravine]

at least ammo wont be a problem lmao

[novel oracle]

cuz i have the ammo to do it

[bronze glade]

i guess at least that means the crits give you something

besides something like a 15% finesse modifier or whatever the fuck brautos get lol

[zealous ravine]

gun builds back in havoc 🙏

[novel oracle]

vultures dodge, pickpocket, and desperado ranged immunity need to be nerfed so bad lmao

[zealous ravine]

theres defo some talents that need to be less silly

[novel oracle]

i already have an idea for each of them that mixes them up without ruining them

[zealous ravine]

hyper violence also looked silly but idk its 1s now so mayb its ok?

[bronze glade]

maybe next year lol

[amber sundial]

Pickpocket now requires you to mug crushers for their ammo without killing them

[zealous ravine]

make pickpocket just drop the ammo on the ground 🔥

[novel oracle]

Vultures mark changes
Also adds stacks on melee kill (its still only ranged buffs)
Being at max stacks grants an x% chance to count as dodging for melee and ranged attacks (replacing vultures dodge subnode current effect)
Pickpocket subnode, but only at max stacks, and activating it consumes all stacks (Replaces vultures push subnode entirely)

desperados ranged immunity draining from 100% over time by 10%/s and kills restored x%, depending on the enemy

[zealous ravine]

payday dodge build....

[main wagon]

Payday is what Ive thought of while seeing dual auto gameplay

Alternatively Wolfenstein

[zealous ravine]

darktide could do it but not payday 3

[amber sundial]

where’s our darktide stealth gameplay

[novel oracle]

not only does this help out with how obscenely easy it is to just never take damage
it makes you work for these effects, either via kills or actually paying attention to how the keystone is used

[main wagon]

overkill forgot to finish payday 3 before pushing it out the door

[novel oracle]

which also fixes that subnode being fucking boring as hell

[zealous ravine]

even now its unfinished

[main wagon]

Their Payday 2 DLC yacht money finally ran out

"We'll never sell any content as DLC!"

Game becomes Paradox-tier for DLC purchases being required for the full experience

[zealous ravine]

yeah i feel like complete dmg immunity is VERY scary for balance

if thats even how it works

[ancient basin]

you get so much dakka

[amber sundial]

It works like you’re considered dodging iirc

so being in a overhead hitbox will still hurt

[zealous ravine]

whats the explanation for that anyways? do those just ignore iframes

[north plank]

Definitely made my decision on male anarchist

[main wagon]

Non-existant as long as those randoms still aggro entire crusher/bulwark squads that are standing in the corner minding their business out of your path

[zealous ravine]

i know nets seem to ignore those

[novel oracle]

vultures dodge is counts as dodging for melee and ranged

[silver mural]

Trappers also still trap you

[novel oracle]

so anything that can hurt you through a dodge still will

[zealous ravine]

i mean ig the name makes sense

[novel oracle]

i have been fighting SO HARD

[main wagon]

I do think the whole "vulture" moniker for the stance is funny considering they're fairly derpy birds

As cool as it sounds

[novel oracle]

to get % chance to count as dodging
to be a thing this class can play into in various ways

[main wagon]

Im definitely using it first when I get down to the keystones

[novel oracle]

you LITERALLY MADE IT THE NO DR DONT GET HIT JUST DODGE CLASS

and you wont even let me have this

[zealous ravine]

i'd be entirely ok with the class having 0 dr but dodge chance instead that sounds hilarious

[novel oracle]

overall itd still be a little worse cuz not only are you gambling but when you do get it, you still get fucked up

[zealous ravine]

i mean dodge % would probably be higher than dr % to account for it being inconsistent

[novel oracle]

but itd be something flavorful to have that can be played into via abilities and keystones

i had the idea for a talent that was 10% chance to dodge ranged attacks within 10m, scaling up to 50% at 30m or further

longshot but its for the stimmhead sprinting at you with a bonesaw and you just cant fucking hit him

[amber sundial]

While on stims increase effective chance by 2x fr

[main wagon]

21 foot rule be like

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw looks awesome...

[novel oracle]

so many people are gonna think its ass cuz its pretty slow for a 1h and has no fucking cleave

[amber sundial]

Built in brittleness is gonna be cool

[silver mural]

Im wary of percent dodges in games since they are very all or nothing making them feel bad to build into. Because its a defensive skill that has the potential to do nothing.

So characters with it tend to not build for it but just double down on damage and other stuff.

But maybe its different here

[novel oracle]

and they wont realize just how strong shock and awe is in this exact situation

[zealous ravine]

i think the only thing i'd like is a slower firing higher dmg mark for the dual stubbers

[amber sundial]

which ones shock and awe again

[zealous ravine]

otherwise im quite joyous with the weps they have

[novel oracle]

it used to only be on thammer and it was fucking ass

its -hitmass for 3s on kill

[trim wind]

I can't call it shock and ugh anymore?

[novel oracle]

its still ass on thammer

it used to be 2s too

[trim wind]

Megadoodoo

[novel oracle]

but -60% hitmass for 3s on kill is pretty good

its not on thammer cuz cleaves not an issue there

but its huge on saw

[zealous ravine]

oh its a diff icon on the bonesaw

[silver mural]

Yeah smth that does a bit of carapace damage before you build like the bolt pistol

[novel oracle]

thats equivalent of say 120% cleave

but then its multiplicative with cleave

and cleave is multiplicitive with power

[zealous ravine]

is fatshark going back to power instead of str? lmao

[silver mural]

Do you think the saws "catch and drag" thing on hit makes it feel awkward to use or nah Cole

[amber sundial]

they keep swapping between it lmao

[zealous ravine]

im getting a little conchfused with it

[novel oracle]

same thing different word

[zealous ravine]

oh wait

[novel oracle]

just treat them as the same thing

[zealous ravine]

the vt2 devs helped with this class

mayb its that

[amber sundial]

You can definitely tell

[main wagon]

It has mechanics

[novel oracle]

i just call it power a lot cuz its still interally referred to it as that, and in the code

[trim wind]

Everything used to be power in dt

[zealous ravine]

shivs r similar to dual daggers from kerillian i think

i havent played kerillian much

[trim wind]

Wasn't until fairly recently they started using strength

[patent bone]

The downward strike def plays the same

[zealous ravine]

i have no idea why they renamed it nor why they renamed the weps back then still

[amber sundial]

byeah, the one toughness node on hit/crit/weakpoint is literally the sting thp talent lol

[silver mural]

If only we could match her insane boss damage with shades backstab :p

[zealous ravine]

hyper violence stacking!!!!!!

[amber sundial]

you can

[zealous ravine]

unless they cap it

[low harbor]

it's equivalent of x2.5 cleave for 3s on any kill
cuz it's mass reduction (/0.4 = x2.5), so it's multiplicative onto actual cleave bonuses

[zealous ravine]

sounds like im gonna be using shock and awe

[silver mural]

@novel oracle do you find the saws "catch and drag" on hit makes it feel awkward to use or nah

[amber sundial]

#hivescum-class message

[zealous ravine]

i saw som1 complain about the attack "latches" on regis stream

[silver mural]

Is this the daemonhost kill? They changed it :p

[amber sundial]

They only nerfed the timer slightly

You can still do it

[low harbor]

yez it's a very good cleave related blessing
it just was only on a weapon that didn't care for it much

[silver mural]

I cant

[patent bone]

Alright it's almost 6am in Sweden, should be a day and 11 hours by my guesstimation
Don't mind me just buzzed on coffee and cigarettes

[silver mural]

I can barely fight DH well i cant use my talents that effectively :p im bad remember

Ill prolly just shoot it and run away ;-;

[zealous ravine]

do both toxins proc this?

[silver mural]

By both do you mean brittle toxin

[zealous ravine]

yes

[silver mural]

Because im pretty sure chem toxin is only the DOT

The brittle is more just brittle, but flavoured as an armour melting poison

[zealous ravine]

well i could just go shred shock and awe

[silver mural]

But it doesnt proc chem tox nodes or blessings i dont tjink

[amber sundial]

Isn’t the brittle unique and stacks with other brittle blessings

[zealous ravine]

crit is good for DOTS too

[amber sundial]

or was I lied to

[silver mural]

Yeah brittle does stack

[zealous ravine]

i heard it was unique yea

[versed spruce]

Give scum thammer so he can max thrust stack a groaner with crucis and then overkill a boss five times over

[low harbor]

prob not, only chemtox

[versed spruce]

And then multiply his damage forever

(?)

[amber sundial]

imagine thammer gets built in thrust after this update

[silver mural]

If you have another source like chem tox node to make flashes add stacks you can use it into crusher mobs no problem

[versed spruce]

Would be fucking nice

[restive mortar]

I'm not sure whether I want rampage or stim administration medipack thingy

[versed spruce]

Considering one of the weapons got it for no discernible reason

[amber sundial]

what stim yall gonna go if you go box

[zealous ravine]

ah i forgor about the explosion chem toxin talent

[zealous ravine]

defo not barrage lol

[restive mortar]

Can't you have all flavors of stim

[zealous ravine]

naw yo can take 2 full paths at most worth of points

[amber sundial]

I’m probably going 20% atk spd + stun immune and str + rending

[trim wind]

Purple haze

[sharp dune]

Oooo I wonder what balance changes we are gonna see

[restive mortar]

Oh does it lock you out

[amber sundial]

No it’s just the higher nodes cost more

[zealous ravine]

i meant full paths you can get all paths halfway if you want to

[versed spruce]

Hopefully actually interesting blessings soon :^)

[amber sundial]

Single path takes 15 points

[versed spruce]

And dclaw buff

[amber sundial]

if you go all the way

[dusk wagon]

It's not like that. If you choose two routes, the cooldown time will be as long as 90 seconds, one and a half minutes

[sharp dune]

They reworked PowerMaul last update, what if they rework some other under performing weapons

[sharp dune]

(Yeah)

[silver mural]

Yeah thats what im gonna try on my DOT build. Flashbangs seem like such a good way to begin procing toxin nodes while keeping annoying crusher and mauler mobs from breaking my fragile bones

[sharp dune]

Feels like I’m slapping things with wet paper when I use it, other than the parry ofc

[amber sundial]

sample collector gonna be a meta talent fr

[versed spruce]

A couple of diehard zealot rework likers defend it as being perfectly fine right now

[sharp dune]

I wanna make a swamp troll build with rampage focused on throwing chem tox gas nades and then staying in them as long as possible

[silver mural]

That is also fun

[amber sundial]

the nade lasts like 20 seconds iirc

[sharp dune]

Nuh uh that shit sucks, you have no reason to use the light attacks like ever

[silver mural]

I like the CC option personally but thats just my preference. I enjoy my safety cuz im not very good

[sharp dune]

And if you want cleave, pick heavy sword

[amber sundial]

heavy sword getting armor dmg when

[zealous ravine]

never!!!!!!

[silver mural]

Fatshark should buff flashes to stun bosses. Totally went break the game at all

[dusk wagon]

Saws are also very useful, as long as you give them more attack speed bonuses

[sharp dune]

Oh it’s right here in the back (i take you there and shoot you beside the wall)

[silver mural]

Im also curious how weapons with innately high crit stack up to saw since with the stack on crit you can also apply tox chem.

But then again saw can grab it too and get extra stacks when they crit so idk

[amber sundial]

JOKES ON YOU I HAVR TOUGHNESS I LIVE!!!!

[sharp dune]

Plasma

[zealous ravine]

this is hive scum we don got any toughness

[amber sundial]

I had 1 toughness

enough to block a singular shot :)

[zealous ravine]

1 too much...

[sharp dune]

Really excited to try out desperado, I love the auto pistol DD sprint shooting build on psyker so this’ll be right up my alley

[silver mural]

Yeah and the class starts with dual autos base

[zealous ravine]

they're buffing shredder autopistol by making a 2nd cooler one

[sharp dune]

😔

[silver mural]

Im.also excited to try double barrel on this class

[sharp dune]

Yeah tbh what’s the point of auto pistol on hive scum when you have TWO autopistols right there?

[silver mural]

Alot of great synergy with that gun and you can triple barrle

[zealous ravine]

i dont even see the point of autopistol on classes without the dual ones

[silver mural]

Its a mystery for sure. Quicker reload?

Maybe a unique blessing?

[sharp dune]

It’s my fav gun on psyker

[silver mural]

Im fishing

[sharp dune]

Purely because it has sprint-shooting built in, and it feels great to sprint fire bullets and get a burst of speed when you kill a DD enemy

[trim wind]

It used to be absurdly overpowered

[sharp dune]

Before you jump in with melee

[sharp dune]

Maybe they’ll rework it? Or buff it? Surely? Right?

[silver mural]

Stub revolver might also be fun with the fan the hammer and desperado

[amber sundial]

shredder auto pistol built in brittleness per bullet fr fr

[sharp dune]

I’m not sure if the soul blaze suppression proc thing still works and is just lessened or if they removed it outright

[silver mural]

If you can get alot of reload you could feel like a cowboy

[sharp dune]

Stimm can stack reload speed so yeah

Excited to try that

[silver mural]

And the free 30 percent reload on close ranged kill

It lasts 8 seconds. Its fucking free

[sharp dune]

Also this is important

Does the talent that adds + 3 chem stacks to blitz, re-color the rpg explosion to green?

Because if it does then by rule of cool I need to use it

[silver mural]

Its not good on that blitz but i have no idea

[sharp dune]

Oh ik that but regardless

You have to understand I will pick the worse option if it looks cooler

[silver mural]

Giving DOTs to a one shot blitz is pretty funny tho

"If that crusher wasnt already dead think of the damage id be doing"

Might have use for picking up ogryns on the outer edge of the explosion that take less damage

[amber sundial]

imagine if the rocket was just 1 DMG explosion and just a really powerful one tick DoT

[zealous ravine]

rocket is just a needler with the effect of death

[sharp dune]

For when the director applies the Brawler wall of death

[silver mural]

Im curious if you can bring tox chem to such a high height that it begins to beat the lean modes time to kill on saw vs crushers

Prolly not

But i will experiment

[amber sundial]

well probably if you used needler

[silver mural]

Im gonna try my best to not work tuesday

[amber sundial]

but not the grenade since it has a soft cap

[zealous ravine]

nooo this hecking type of talent is bakc

[silver mural]

Brittle saw increases the DOTs damage so even then it makes sense to hit them with the purple saw unless they are far awat

[versed spruce]

You know what I just realized

[silver mural]

Its just radius, its not loner at least

[zealous ravine]

still jolly they removed loner aura

[north plank]

+380000% coherency radius radius bigger than the map

[versed spruce]

Bleed knifers on scum are also going to get toxins when they crit

[amber sundial]

All coherency radius talents should be 100% range increase

[silver mural]

What is it now? Ive not played in a bit

[zealous ravine]

all coherency radius talents should be anything else

[silver mural]

Yes i saw that, ultimate DOT build

[versed spruce]

Will this make it good?
||No.||

Idk though

Might be juicy

[amber sundial]

Coherency radius talents turn into coherency linger duration fr fr

[silver mural]

But tbf tox is so good it might make more sense to make the knife do max damage and crit and lean into that

But idk

[rose flax]

In everyone's opinion is hive scum literally just the kerlilian careers(even 4th due to toxins) in one?
I mean, besides the fact that the shivs are literally just the dual daggers lol(can't wait to use them with darktides better melee system)
He has damage but is incredibly squishy, so just like the handmaiden, his way of reducing damage is by avoiding it altogether with his insane looking mobility

[silver mural]

Also curious if shivs are faster attack speed or nah

[versed spruce]

You can go whichever blessing gives bleed on body shots, and then whichever blessing gives crit on dodge

[silver mural]

Need to see a side by side comparison

[versed spruce]

It looks like toxin does a shit ton more damage to carapace than bleed does

[amber sundial]

hand maiden ain’t squishy lol

[versed spruce]

So unironically it might be half alright to bleed knife on scum

[trim wind]

Kerillian has way longer range

[silver mural]

Bleed on body on a weapon that wants weakspot? Is that advisable?

[versed spruce]

Nope

Not normally

Bleed knifers are a strange and skill issue'd breed though

[rose flax]

Every elf career is squishy, she just can avoid damage much better

[silver mural]

You could just take bleed on crit

[sharp dune]

Probably better option

[versed spruce]

I'm sure both would be about the same efficiency

[silver mural]

Her spear is also sorta clutch with its very wide block

[sharp dune]

Does any of the stimm special talents give Crit chance? Could make for an interesting build

[trim wind]

Her skills are also entirely different

[versed spruce]

If you're trying to spam dots, bleed on body hit is probably better

[woeful hill]

guys

hivescum has a gun

[limber cradle]

No way

[woeful hill]

this is like the hitgame Vermintide 2 Markus kruber

he has gun

[versed spruce]

weapons are unique to the hivescum

[sharp dune]

I AM A BATTERING RAM THATS WHAT I AM

[silver mural]

Depends, how high can crit go. Cuz its damage on top of bleed and double the stacks so only 50 percent crit makes them even in dot application

[restive mortar]

What do u guys think of this stim build

[rose flax]

So, how do you make it so your stim is in stim slot? Do you need a certain amount of viscosity?

[novel oracle]

in most cases, the mobility and ways of reducing the chances of taking damage (outside of a well built ranged build) wont be enough for most players and theyll eat shit all the time

[amber sundial]

Could probably put barrage into bottom branches

[drifting heron]

First two nodes of top right isn't worth anything

Top left*

The DR spec is basically useless

[restive mortar]

How so

[silver mural]

You dont have to use all the points

[drifting heron]

It only really gives 16% dr

[amber sundial]

The toughness buff is just coherency regen

[drifting heron]

The other benefit only applies to coherency regen

[silver mural]

Less points is faster cooldown

[amber sundial]

and the dmg resist is pretty low

[restive mortar]

I see
Ty for the tips

[rose flax]

How low can the cool down be?

[silver mural]

You go from one tapped by crusher to one tapped by crusher a little less

[rose flax]

18?

[amber sundial]

One node is 15 second cd

[silver mural]

17 if you had a really silly 1 point build

[silver mural]

Gameslantern is lying

Cole said its 17

With one point

Every point is 2 seconds. Zero points is 15 seconds

[rose flax]

Oh lol, you just need 1 point
Interesting mechanic, basically a secondary ult

[versed spruce]

Cole is lying
Gameslantern is always the best source of information for Darktide

[open cliff]

The hive scum has a rocket launcher though.. Thats really nice to use against tanky bricks

[amber sundial]

It’s extremely silly for box bomber build

[silver mural]

This is true lol

[rose flax]

How do you get ammo? Just grenade boxes?

[open cliff]

I assume so

[silver mural]

Maximum bombs

???

Profit

[rose flax]

Wait
Does cool down regeneration/reduction(from curios) affect stim?

[steel briar]

Iron Riders

[silver mural]

No, only the node that gives cdr on kill does afaik

[rose flax]

Ah, thanks

[silver mural]

You also need to add stimm duration to cooldown since it doesnt begin ticking the cooldown till the stimm wears off

So even a 17 second stimm is 32 seconds between uses

[steel briar]

Has anyone else noticed the Gang colors are..

Red Khorne
Blue Zeentch
Green Nurgle
Purple Slanesh

[rose flax]

Ah, how long does the stim last?

[silver mural]

15 seconds base i think

[steel briar]

[silver mural]

20 with the duration buff node

Box is seperate tho afaik

Idk if it changes when the cooldown starts

[steel briar]

Seems short

I want a whole hour

I can settle for 30mins though

[silver mural]

You right. If it doesnt last the whole match why bother.

[open cliff]

though from what I saw, the rocket launcher isn't as effective for exploding crowds. grenades will do more against squishies. (Though it absolutely ruins anyone with carapace)

[steel briar]

Too much work, gonna use boom stick instead.

[silver mural]

Does anyone know if the box causes the stimm to cooldown immediately or does it also wait till the boxes effect wears off

[silver mural]

Stimm doesnt replace boom stick

Stimm is free on top of class. It just removes your ability to use map stimms

[steel briar]

I can have both?

[amber sundial]

Just stim your boomstick so it booms sticks more

[steel briar]

Nice

This is net W

[silver mural]

Yeah boom is blitz, stimm is this classes dog

So its in addition

[steel briar]

Oh

[silver mural]

But their is a combat ability that lets you use the stim team wide

[steel briar]

Gonna tryout gunslinger too because I wanna just shoot stuff

[silver mural]

That does replace desperado or rampage

[steel briar]

Cleaver looks good too

[silver mural]

So just dont pick the support ability

[steel briar]

Stub pistols and cleaver

Peak

[silver mural]

Stub pistols look very fun

[tawny salmon]

hearing theyre bad vs cara makes me sad

but yes

[steel briar]

Gonna try those out too

Gonna have a build for all 3 then have a 4th hybrid build.

[silver mural]

This class with a dedicated build can kill cara with auto weapons in like under 3 seconds lol

But it only works within a desperado build

[steel briar]

Finally

I wanna daka things to death plus dot DMG.

[silver mural]

Epic cole has a vid where he kills a crusher in 2 seconds with the dual auto pistols without his stimm buff

[steel briar]

Peak

[steel briar]

It's about time we can kill those things without a melee.

I feel like the chungus enemies with a lot of armor aren't worth wasting the ammunition on.

Plus the high HP ones too

[silver mural]

Desperado is infinite ammo, so go ahead and spray ogryns

[steel briar]

Been playing a lot of bomber Psyker to practice too

[steel briar]

Perfection

[rose flax]

Is it true that hive regens 2 stamina every 0.5 seconds?

[novel oracle]

the one on the new map? that was jsut 1 crusher

[steel briar]

It's funny because my electro stave Psyker feels like more daka. Lol

[novel oracle]

2 stam per second, the ,5 is their stam regen delay

[silver mural]

To put it into perspective. This class makes braced autos havoc viable

[steel briar]

I'm glad Hive Scum will be true daka.

[north plank]

I want that needle gun and the crowbar

[rose flax]

That isn't the same thing?
I'm confused

[silver mural]

Yeah totally fair its 1 crusher. Still not bad for an auto weapon

[novel oracle]

stam regen delay is how long it takes for stamina to start regenerating after use/a dodge

thats what the .5s is

[steel briar]

🗣️ Finally some DAKA

[novel oracle]

its 2 stam per second regenned

if it was 2 per .5s that would be 4 per second

[rose flax]

Oh
So every class regens stamina per(1)second
That explains why arbites didn't seem to generate stamina that much faster than I expected

[novel oracle]

its more just the rate

[steel briar]

Veteran is las weapons
Hive Scum is ballistics auto and stub weapons

Finally

[north plank]

Hive Scum is: "Ammo Economy who?"

[novel oracle]

arbites has the same regen delay of .5s but regens 1 stamina per second

[steel briar]

It's finally time.

[rose flax]

Dual stubs look low reserve wise, but then again desperado

[silver mural]

Isnt it like 290 reserve

[north plank]

Vet is plamsa and botl

[silver mural]

Am i dumb

[steel briar]

Why the X?

[novel oracle]

for perspective
psyker regen is .5 stam per second and vet is .75 per second

[patent bone]

True weapons for a desperado

[novel oracle]

scum is 2 per second

[steel briar]

Hive Ganger doesn't have las lol

Unless y'all haven't posted a video of their whole weapon roster yet for easy consumption.

[rose flax]

Wait, what? Neither regens 1 stamina in a second?

[steel briar]

[steel briar]

Just videos of exclusive class weapons

[drifting heron]

Because vet also uses kinetic weapons

Vigi auto

Revolver

[steel briar]

Finally

[drifting heron]

Dbarrel

[patent bone]

Well you don't need to rub it in!!

[novel oracle]

yeah, only ogryn and arbites have 1 per second

[silver mural]

We do know their whole weapon roster. No lasguns, bolt pistol is the only bolt weapon.

Basically all basic autos, shotguns, then the unique guns

[novel oracle]

everyone else is lower, but scum is double that

[steel briar]

Veterans using kinetic weapons that aren't bolter is cringe.

Veterans should always use las though.

[drifting heron]

You're cringe, dbarrel weapon spec is the shit

[steel briar]

Otherwise I cringe.

[rose flax]

Can you test how long it can be extended in a horde?

[steel briar]

Walmart Arby's okay

On wish

[drifting heron]

Not even close

[patent bone]

I'll have you know my Braced Autogun build slaps the hardest

[drifting heron]

Dbarrel weapon spec blows arby out the water

[steel briar]

It'll slap harder on Hive Scum

[rose flax]

You know it's cool we can use basically all the weapons as hive scum
If games lantern is accurate

[patent bone]

No doubt about that

[steel briar]

Nice, finally.

[patent bone]

But those dual stubbies thoooooooooo

[steel briar]

It's about time.

This is peak.

[novel oracle]

i dont need to test, i know
it has a 10s base duration, after 10s of extending (so 20s total) the returns are so greatly diminished that you cant outpace the drain so it will end typically after 22-25s if youre slaying out

[silver mural]

Double barrel looks very good on hive scum. Some playtesters have played with it

[north plank]

and bolt

bolta

[patent bone]

Never tried it, probably should

[north plank]

bolting it gud

[rose flax]

Does it start to Regen after the 10 seconds are up even while the ability is extended?

[novel oracle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun

run this on vet

[novel oracle]

wdym regen

[steel briar]

I bet it'll be better on Hive Scum too

[patent bone]

Will do

[novel oracle]

the ability doesnt start its cooldown until the ability is fully over

[drifting heron]

It won't be

No confirmed crits

[rose flax]

The ability, like does the cool down go down I mean

[novel oracle]

scatter manstopper

with some good crit chance in there

[zealous ravine]

just get 100% 🔥

[drifting heron]

Yeah but no flechette

[novel oracle]

but you still have to manually reload

[silver mural]

Do you mean does the cooldown start? Cooldown doesnt start till it ends completely

[novel oracle]

but 3 m1 shots

[drifting heron]

Horrific

Why would I ever subject myself to that

[novel oracle]

still, 30% reload speed with a specific talent

[steel briar]

Yeah, Las, Bolters, Plasma and Melta is based veterans.

The regular kinetic weapons for vets just seems.. like a waste. Better off with the other proper weapons meant for Guardsmen.

[novel oracle]

and you can get 50% more reload speed via stim

[rose flax]

Ah, I had a feeling, it would be insane if it started the cool down while extended

[north plank]

Idk most of my game play has been Brauto vet and im living good

[novel oracle]

desperado actually got a hard nerf in uptime cuz it used to have a 30s cooldown and its diminishing returns werent really punishing so you could keep it up for ages

[zealous ravine]

holy hell its past midnight hive scum tomorrow!!!!!

[silver mural]

Also cole can tell me if im dumb or not but the refill is capped in a manner of speaking.

For example of you have 8 seconds left on desperado and kill 20 poxwalkers instantly, the timer only goes up to 10, not 28.

Plus the obvious diminishing returns after 20 seconds

[north plank]

been trying the vigigun lately and its my new jam

feels like butter

[rose flax]

Do the new ranged weapons(or was it just auto pistols maybe) get affected by reload speed now? Or is that still broken?

[steel briar]

🗣️ Fatshark, I call upon thee to nerf this!

I joke lol don't care

[novel oracle]

yeah

[novel oracle]

they work now

[open cliff]

so what unique guns did they get? twin autos, twin stub pistols.. needle.. pistol?

[rose flax]

Nice

[rose flax]

Drug your enemies

[silver mural]

Yeah

[steel briar]

I'll believe it when I see it.

The plasma and las vets never let me down. I bet once they get their meltas too, it's over..

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=35hMS6B7X0RnsLdf&t=1991

[silver mural]

Replace your local cults blood with bleach, with our patented dart gun technology

[steel briar]

Ogryns with shield club plus heavy stub twin machine. Peak

[north plank]

Believe what when you see it exactly?

[silver mural]

Thats good cuz the base reload for the Gats looks painful

[steel briar]

Anything less.. I worry for the team.

[north plank]

like I said i am living good so like

there you go

[steel briar]

Especially if not good titles.

[novel oracle]

ive convinced combine to swap pinning fire for speedload

cuz its dope as fuck

[open cliff]

surprised they didn't get something like.. twin shotguns.

[novel oracle]

im not

how would that work

[silver mural]

Do you also stack it with the close range kill gives 30 percent reload?

[novel oracle]

is that a thing hive scum typically have on tabletop

[novel oracle]

yes ofc

that ones a freebie

[steel briar]

Yeah, because the vets I've seen using that.. um well. They die a lot.

Probably just bad luck

[novel oracle]

that makes it to where 1 kill gives 40% reload speed

and 4 more past that bring it to 80

[open cliff]

honestly not even sure. it was more a CoD thing and a gimmick more than realism

[silver mural]

Hive scum cannot dual wield shotguns unless they made scatterguns pistols like they fucking should since they suck hard in necro

[steel briar]

Soon

[naive flax]

STONE THIS MAN XD

[open cliff]

Yeah something like a pair of those double barrels

[rose flax]

So does hive have 100 base HP? Lantern says 150 but Reginald had 100

[silver mural]

Thats one scattergun not two. The second is a stub pistol of some kind