hivescum-class

[rapid fulcrum]

ralsei belongs in a bmw lier

[high gull]

Buddy of mine likes Cigars

[lost token]

Hand-rolled cigs have a good flare to them. Cheaper too when you got good stock to pull from.

Definitely wouldn't recommend the habit, nor the medical hazards one will have to consider ever reering its head in the worst ways.

[high gull]

We have a few lounges out here near Dallas and the surrounding area

Always wanted to see the type of people who go in there.

[tepid cosmos]

i quote that video alot in vc as you know

love that video

[patent bone]

I know a bar that not only allows cigars but sells them too

[azure mist]

The one thing you've said correct so far

[patent bone]

Outside bar too, real cool place

[high gull]

What's the big difference between a regular bar and cigar lounge?

[lost token]

Cigars are...obnoxious. I can see the appeal in craftsmanship and profile but for the price and extra whatever bah.

[high gull]

I hear the real snobs will pay out the ass for an authentic Cuban.

[patent bone]

Most bars don't allow smoking and some cigar lounges aren't BYOB. Plus my buddy owns the bar I mentioned so it's pretty much my go to place

[compact oyster]

i love this vid so much lmao

[zealous ravine]

oh my god

[high gull]

Well ain't that something

[azure mist]

Lmao

[patent bone]

Lmao nice

[zenith fern]

I love this, I have to know how the fuck the map was recreated

[lost token]

Usually smoking zones, clientele, commonly shared gimmicks. Some require selections from the lounge like any other vice consumable lobby. Drinks are often served and may have a very clear range that stays in a particular lane (higher priced scotch, whiskeys, etc.)

They're a lot closer to restaurants whose model is highly predicated on having the vibe be caught and passed around so to speak.

"Selling the experience" with a lot of the class pomp that can often be easily found.

Not sure where more casual and accesible ones exist. Most of my awareness is in the range I mentioned. Exclusive, expensive, egotistical as hell, eccentric to a fault, that kind of thing.

[patent bone]

I've been to a few cigar lounges in California where the shop basically welcomed all and had reasonably priced cigars

One in particular had plenty of Marines there too so it was a good time

I REALLY want to play dual stubs

It looks SOOOO damn cool

And the ganger fits look pretty smex too

[lost token]

I can see it being possible. There's a scene for those sorts of joints in the stuffier sides of town. They're usually cradled in big time corpo complex high rises, affluent as hell suburbs, high roller vip clubs, yacht clubs, casino pits, etc.

[patent bone]

This one was in a small area called Old town near San Clemente and it really wasn't that classy tbh

Did have a bunch of cheap restaurants nearby, but it was nothing fancy. Very relaxing tho

[lost token]

Right, that can make sense. The chiller smoking lounges around parts of town round this way are usually the green kind.

Never bothered with hookah but there's scenes for it here too. They often are a bit more open and more frequently centered in communities with more direct cultural ties to the gathering.

I just like looking bad as hell out back behind bars and/or alleys where a show is playing bands, house and edm dj events/clubs, etc. with the cigs and everyone else. Easy icebreaker with the moshkin.

[unique dagger]

HMMMM

very point efficient

I approve

[patent bone]

That's a fucking vibe ngl. Not the Hookahs the out back areas

People here get pretty intimate after a good concert, smoke, and chat

[lost token]

Good way to get "we just met" discounts too if they're on that kind of time. Usually I just shoot the shit with whoever wants to talk just cuz.

Other times it might be someone with compliments we share or whatever. Mosh pits and dance circle enjoyers ( 👋🏾 ) usually got some kind of paper and smoke between their fingers lol.

Great way to pick up on info on the scenes. Lots of blends there. Many doors and so on.

[high gull]

Like speakeasys?

[patent bone]

Oh hell yeah. I live just outside of the 'party' district. Plenty of bars and social clubs, one of em USED to have a stage for anyone to play their music and sing n shit.

First Saturdays get pretty freaky too

Then we have Waikiki. That's where you just meet tourists and just shoot the shit

Alright brb, gotta get some dim sum

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/didi-gif-1240408809659404307

Freaky you say?

[echo plaza]

🤪

[patent bone]

Freaky indeed

[reef spoke]

Does the Ganger's stimm Strength path boost all damage? I'm wondering if it can boost DoTs

[lavish forge]

i love outlaw already

TAIME FER YUE LOT TO GET YERSELVES DED!

[patent bone]

I might go Bounty Hunter for the Desperado feel

[drifting heron]

Its strength so in theory

[patent bone]

Watching ChocoBs gameplay of the Hive Scum makes me ready for December second and envious of the Playtesters

To any playtesters, how long did it take to level up your gangers?

[lost token]

Essentially yeah.

[drowsy relic]

I believe they get them at 30

[patent bone]

Ahhh

Lucky fellas

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-phenomaman-phenomenal-phonemaman-will-remember-that-will-remember-that-gif-12117790562261069541

That mfker so diabolical dude i can't 😭

[limber cradle]

I still can't believe they let em off

[mighty belfry]

If it doesn't specify a specific kind of strength, it's usually universal strength.

Usually.

[limber cradle]

Tbh I feel like I'm gonna lean top left/top right path for stims

Could use the stimm for on demand toughness tbh

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-omni-man-where-is-he-immortal-invincible-immort-invincible-gif-9821533909928344278

[patent bone]

I feel Phenomaman could beat Omniman

[lost token]

Fed prison last I checked. Haven't updated myself on that dude. Been aware of his shit since I was way younger. So many artists dropped subliminals to confirmed statements about dude and creep company.

More interested in the wider circle tbh as well. Unsure about how long guy will last in that situation. Not uncommon for dudes on that kind of time to also have a very different fed prison experience.

[patent bone]

I remember seeing a leaked video with him in prison. Dude looks like shit lol

[livid raven]

who is in prison

[patent bone]

Diddy

[livid raven]

owned

[lost token]

I haven't made the time tk go through the story yet. I just like the gif lol

All I know is omniman is a wash out since those berserker dinosaur people in the comics are like just off limits for even being asked for help because they're that dangerous.

Apparently viltrumites don't want the smoke even with them considering ||they're a legit endangered species from an empire in its death throws of actual collapse. And those dinofolk are an actual potent threat to them. As in they can drop them dead.||

[patent bone]

Oh lol. And ye I saw that episode

Hope the next season's animation quality stays good

[lost token]

We'll see probably. I got my own issues with invincible but that's whatever criticisms I still want to develop them further. Marginally read the comics too but have had confirmed details passed on with the secondhand knowledge.

Dunno about what the studio animating it have had to put up with before either.

[patent bone]

I'll be honest, never read the comics. Seen portions of em but never really read em. How accurate is the show to the comics?

That you know of

[lost token]

Wouldn't be able to remember off the top of my head rn because it's been a while since I read and I wasn't too far into it. Might hit up a library to fix that since I'm actually interested in seeing what's up.

It's still mostly in the same sort of tone though. Maintains that gruesome day to day reality kind of thing with how supers work. Same beats on the "what if supers were part of modern society with all the actual problems it can produce" but not in a way that'd I say is concerned with the kind of shock jock slop of the boys comics.

[patent bone]

The Boys comic was just Garth Enis expressing his hatred to superhero media. Having his "OC plz do not steal" main character just beating much less threatening supers who all have the same character dynamic if you really look at it.

But yeah, much like the Crossed series, I think it was just for shock

[limber cradle]

Tbh Garth Ennis is a hack and his writing sucks imo

[lost token]

Seems like it tbh. Back to back "man what the hell lol"

[limber cradle]

Everything he's written(that I've read) reeks of "boy i sure do hate superheros"

[lost token]

I prefer stories that want to be a bit more responsible with handling certain topics usually. It's not even to necessarily say that even that angle to a piece can't do so without making any salient point but like.

Eh. I don't really care for that level feet stomp cynicism in art. They aren't obligated or anything but it's always the cycle of "no seriously, why?"

Like unironically what is the point? If it's about exploring the banality of fuckery then I can just engage with something way more interesting and purposeful in the first place. If the purpose was to get me to give up on them as an artist then I guess congrats? Alright. 👍🏾

If it was about doing more with how those things can happen and how powerful people exert themselves over people, there really are more interesting was to do so while making it clear how much you hate the genre ig. Didn't seem like guy had the range.

[neat musk]

This is true.

[lost token]

Hell, for all the jank that the boys show can actually have, it's actually better about handling its themes and story far better while also just being a work mired in the cynical irony that it has with its metacontext.

[drifting heron]

This is because it wasn't written by garth ennis

[lost token]

Yuup

It's literally better for it

In a really sobering way imo but still better like straight up lol

[neat musk]

Imo, the Boys show ended sucking because they did the same thing as pretty much all popular series.
in order to stretch it, they reset character's arcs and plots each season

[lost token]

Guy writes like a very mad teenager that never really cared enough to develop that kind of energy to hit harder while also actually being interesting.

[muted holly]

how many points do we get for the Stimm Lab?

[silver mural]

I cant wait for its prequel, the girls

[drowsy relic]

30

[muted holly]

that's separate from talent tree points?

[silver mural]

Important to note tho that many stimm nodes cost multiple points.

And yes its seperate to talent tree points

[candid flint]

30. there are 4 different pathing nodes. as you go deeper into node paths, each node takes more points

you can dip fully into one path, or split between two or three

or even take a little bit in all 4 paths

the points are seperate from talent tree

[muted holly]

so, everyone's going to go invincible dual autopistols down the left side of the talent tree with ability regen stimms, right?

[candid flint]

the more points you use, the longer the stimm regen time

[livid raven]

after seeing pickpocket, i just made this build

[muted holly]

there's no reason not to

immune to all attacks, are you kidding me?

unlimited ammo?

[livid raven]

basically most of the left tree and some dipping in the middle and right tree

[safe dome]

Probably gonna nerfed a bit before launch

[silver mural]

Just need to not die when reloading

[muted holly]

the only way this doesn't become meta among all classes if the dual-wield guns dps is hot ass

[drowsy relic]

It's not all attacks

It's just ranged

[livid raven]

i saw cole kill a crusher in like one clip

[muted holly]

Vulture's Dodge

[silver mural]

They are referring to another node

[muted holly]

very bottom node on the left

[livid raven]

also yeah you can just slide

slides last a year

and you are invulnerable to melee while doing them

[drowsy relic]

Oh vultures? Apparently that has been nerfed already?

Unless they meant

no that was originally 5 seconds

yeah it got nerfed to 1

[silver mural]

Yeah but then you arent running the cdr stimm or your stimm is 75 seconds cdr.

I think coles kill was with a damage stimm

[livid raven]

true

[patent bone]

Oh yeah. The ending of the first comic was enough to tell me about what it was all about lmao

[livid raven]

one what

[drowsy relic]

second

[livid raven]

from 8?

that doesn't seem realistic

[livid raven]

yeah that's what i thought

[silver mural]

I stand corrected

[lost token]

I think I'm at like uh, S2? Or something. Wherever MM and his crew are more relevant and active after they break that one woman out from those traffickers.

[silver mural]

Or lay corrected, im on a couch

[patent bone]

Stand up and testify

[lost token]

Dude if I want to explore depictions of torture with an actual point behind it, I'll just keep reading Innocent or something.

I forgot where I stopped but I very rarely put shit down that I want to read through in the way I did. Lol

[silver mural]

So 15 percent rend and crit stack is a one magazine kill. Which would suck still, if not for INFINITE AMMO.

Still less efficient then other possible builds but cole was saying in a true gun build your gun will beat your melee for kill time

[patent bone]

"Just ONE more scene!!"

[patent bone]

INFINITE AMMO!!

[lost token]

Just eugh lmao

First five pages:

[silver mural]

Does the stubs pierce only function on pox walkers and mooks with guns or does it pierce elites too

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-confused-jimmy-butler-confused-eye-squint-gif-12144635464811342257

[ancient basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mp5-dual-wield-akimbo-firing-full-auto-gif-2672971436073626984

[neat musk]

I want to run as tanky and melee as possible. gonna live my Vander fantasies

[lost token]

"Bro what?"

[patent bone]

Me after reading the last scene:

https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101

[ancient basin]

I am going to test all the attack speed things

[limber cradle]

Love the Saw movies. At least 1-3 and 10. The rest i like less than love tho tbh.

[lost token]

"Okay...not fucking with this start but let's see?"

Continues reading:

[livid raven]

i dunno man it sounds like the most glass cannon class yet

[neat musk]

hence "as possible"

[silver mural]

Do a test where 4 hive scum all stack their attack speed stimms on one ganger

[lost token]

https://tenor.com/view/stella-how-stella-got-her-groove-back-angela-bassett-um-umm-gif-18975321

[patent bone]

It's how you know what the authors fetishes are lmao

[lost token]

I don't even think it's like that. Just crass and pointlessly immature.

[blissful gull]

does hyper-criticals work on ranged attacks?

[lost token]

Like uh, bummy grimdark

[patent bone]

I thought that because he made ANOTHER comic series about super heroes who were the exact same as The Boys

It's called "The PRO"

[silver mural]

Yeah you would prolly run a stimm focussed build with tox chem weapons to try and benefit from as much DR as possible with chemical dependency for the tough dr node and rampage as i think it has a DR node.

Could maybe reach middle of the pack durability with a skewed build

[patent bone]

Honestly might take place in the same universe but I don't care to dive into that rabbit hole

[muted holly]

there's also going to be a medic build for Scummer

[livid raven]

is there

i don't see any way to heal

[patent bone]

Actually based

[muted holly]

oh no? check out the right-most ability

[patent bone]

Cartel crate I believe

[livid raven]

that's corruption isn't it

[drifting heron]

Thats corruption cleanse

[livid raven]

isn't that a meme

[drifting heron]

Which is basically healing because it can restore wounds

[muted holly]

"if you have a Stimm equipped, Stimm Supply will copy its contents and disperse them into the air"

[livid raven]

oh really

[drifting heron]

But its also kinda boring looking

[drowsy relic]

Which it shouldn't do

[livid raven]

it would be nice if, you know

[silver mural]

Yeah no heal unless you find a healing stimm in the map and dont use a custom stimm

[muted holly]

yeah, no custom stimm

[livid raven]

the game told you what corruption cleaning talents can heal wounds

[neat musk]

kinda what I had in mind, the melee/berserk perks plus the toughness stim

[muted holly]

constant ability to heal everyone

[livid raven]

but i suppose i just pretend too much

[drifting heron]

The "kills while stimmed heal corruption" can put you over the line too

[muted holly]

Hive Medic

[silver mural]

It uses up the stimm afaik tho

[drifting heron]

Beacon of Purity now has zero usecases

[livid raven]

did it ever

[drowsy relic]

Havoc 1,0

[drifting heron]

Gloopy havoc

[drowsy relic]

lol

[muted holly]

look at Practiced Deployment

just picking up a stim will make your ability ready to use

have everyone hold onto healing stims until you need them

they give you one, bam instant medic deployment

add in a bubble psyker

you have a proper support team now

[silver mural]

Sure, but its still one team heal per stim and reliant on map drops. I think it might be better to run a tanky stim and try to prevent damage as much as possible

[drifting heron]

The tanky path isn't good

[silver mural]

Compared to no stimm?

[drifting heron]

Its like 16% dr and a bunch of coherency regen

[muted holly]

16% DR isn't anything to sneeze at

[livid raven]

it kinda is

[drifting heron]

for 1/3 of your lab points?

[livid raven]

yeah

[silver mural]

I thought it was all sources of toughness. If its just coherency then yeah thats meh

[livid raven]

and cooldown

[muted holly]

what's the point cost scale?

[livid raven]

it's toughness regeneration unfortunately

not toughness replenishment

[drifting heron]

With that money you could get 16% strength and 5% crit (or 10% finesse or 5% rending)

[muted holly]

1=1, 2=?, 3=?, etc

[blissful gull]

are these 3 talents essentially necessary for Hive-scum given how soft he is?

[livid raven]

1=1, 2=2, 3=4, 4=8

and so on

[drifting heron]

Cost is distance from center

[muted holly]

ok, so doubling

[livid raven]

ah no wait

[drifting heron]

It scales linearly

[muted holly]

that's not linear

[drifting heron]

Outermost stuff is 5 points

[livid raven]

yeah, it goes from 4 to 5 for the last

[muted holly]

so it's based on node position along the path?

1=1, 2=2, 3=3, so on?

[drifting heron]

yes

[muted holly]

okay

[livid raven]

yeah my bad

[muted holly]

what about the stimm cooldown calculation?

[drifting heron]

2 seconds per point

[silver mural]

15 seconds at zero pts, 2 second per point

So at minimum its technically 17 seconds

Max is 75

[livid raven]

it's 15 at minimum

[drifting heron]

shortest cooldown possible is 17 seconds but you get like 4% of one stat

[livid raven]

at least on gameslantern, the first point doesn't seem to increase cooldown?

[muted holly]

interesting

[silver mural]

Cole said 17 is the lowest you can be and have the stimm

[livid raven]

must be a bug on gameslantern then

[drifting heron]

Yeah it looks like a bug

[livid raven]

honestly, only the strength and maybe the cooldown reduction seem worth it

[drifting heron]

First point doesn't change it but second tracks for both

[drifting heron]

attack speed

[high gull]

Lil brudder

[livid raven]

i suppose it's 20% at full investment

[high gull]

Scum ain't the tank class

[drifting heron]

Attack speed path is 16% attack speed, 50% wield speed, and -50% stam costs for 10 points

[high gull]

You about as tanky as a geriatric old man with a bad knee

[silver mural]

They mean as tanky and melee as possible, not that they want to play a tank

[limber cradle]

Idk, I can see the value in the toughness gen considering the tree is so light on it tbh.

[muted holly]

no, it's the "never stop running, never run out of bullets, never stop killing" class

[drifting heron]

Another 5 is:
4% more attack speed and TWBS
IJ's movement stuff
30% reload and half recoil

[livid raven]

it's toughness regeneration

it's trash

[rare stirrup]

Or a crack addict

[high gull]

Boy better learn the rules of dodgeball then

[muted holly]

toughness regeneration is your passive regen

[rare stirrup]

Wait a second

[livid raven]

not toughness replenishment

[muted holly]

toughness regen is not worth investing in ever

[low harbor]

1 - 1
2 - 3
3 - 6
4 - 10
5 - 15

[limber cradle]

Oh, its not like, just giving back that toughness? Its percentile increase to speed?

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-duck-dip-dive-feelings-gif-15411527

[uneven rune]

rip rip torn

[ancient basin]

take slow weapon, apply attack speed, enjoy high damage lights

[livid raven]

yeah it's only passive regen speed

in coherency

[drifting heron]

Passive regen is also flat rate

and requires you be out of melee

[limber cradle]

Yeah nvm me then

Bad bad doo doo garbage

[low harbor]

it's coherency TGH regen

that route is the weakest

[drifting heron]

I hope that path gets changed before release

[livid raven]

maybe if it was replenishment it could have been ok

budget castigator stance

[high gull]

Serious question for everyone.

[low harbor]

CD rate route best
speed & str routes roughly equal
tgh route worst

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl I read it like toughness generation flat, no coherency based and went "damn like looks nasty"

[drifting heron]

If it was replenishment it would be good

[muted holly]

I could see a attack speed + cdr stimm combo for going full Vultures build

Vulture Desperado

[high gull]

How long do any of you think you could survive on tomato basil soup before you go insane?

[drifting heron]

Not long

I need variety

[muted holly]

with or without crackers?

[silver mural]

A long time

[low harbor]

are u that broke

[high gull]

You get a small pack of saltines with each meal.

[high gull]

God no lol

[muted holly]

are we talking cheap Campbell's tomato soup or some quality soup?

[silver mural]

Do i get to make the soup?

[high gull]

It's canned soup

[high gull]

No.

[muted holly]

nevermind

1 day, max

[silver mural]

If its canned then prolly a long time, assuming i can still drink what i want

[muted holly]

I like a good tomato soup, but canned soup isn't that

[silver mural]

If i can only drink water, then prolly 6 months

[blissful gull]

For adrenaline, do you think the 20 second adrenaline frenzy is essentially mandatory if you're going with that keystone?

[silver mural]

I dont think very often :(

[zealous ravine]

brain empty... only occasional fruit loop...

[swift crescent]

What is the best melee and ranged weapon out of the 3 new ones that Hive Scum gets in y'alls opinion?

[flint granite]

Hard to say unless you're a playtester

I think the dual smgs and the needle gun look really strong tho

[drifting heron]

Crowbar looks really fun but I think the saw might pull ahead

Extremely versatile and has toxic or brittle

[zealous ravine]

reginald said shivs might be strongest but also thats a sample size of 1 opinion so idk how much it matters

[flint granite]

Saw looks nutty

[zealous ravine]

saw looks crazy

[drifting heron]

I will be freemaning it though

Everything Crowbill should have been

[zealous ravine]

i think im more shiv and saw pilled rn

the poisons look cool

[drifting heron]

Dual daggers do look silly with melee maxxing

[flint granite]

Got paid time to buy the dlc

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-gif-kromer-vacuum-succ-gif-7950084978210152320

[silver mural]

With multiple scum buffing a attack speed all the weapons look whack af like you are playing at 2 times speed haha

[muted holly]

not yet, anyways

I'm going to make the boringest, plainest Scummer any hive world has ever seen

if I could outfit mine in slacks and a button-down shirt, I would

[drifting heron]

9-5 with a side business in combat drugs

[muted holly]

going to name him William Foster

[cunning rain]

That was my idea too, how could I make a hive hanger look nothing like a hive ganger?

[low harbor]

it's prob either shiv or saw

saw is way more general purpose

[muted holly]

from Falling Down

[zealous ravine]

saw stacking 4 toxin procs on a h1 crit...

i think thats how it works at least

[silver mural]

What curios do we think the hive scum will like?

[zealous ravine]

thinking about this talent for saw gaming

probably the usual

[silver mural]

Whats the usual

[zealous ravine]

3tgh or 2 tgh 1 hp

[drifting heron]

Same as everyone else, 2 tough 1 stam or 2 tough 1 health

[low harbor]

1 hp, 1 tgh, 1 stam

[drifting heron]

Maybe 1/1/1

[zealous ravine]

i doubt stam they have low stam regen time

same as psy

[muted holly]

2 toughness, 1 +3 stam

I run +stam on my psyker, too

[zealous ravine]

unless their stam max is just that bad

[low harbor]

they have a talent that gives +atk speed for stam

[drifting heron]

I'm going to be 2 tough 1 stam because I'm a lobotomite

[silver mural]

Wait do we know all their base stats? Do we know if they have the zealot zero stam sprint modifier or the normal modifier

[zealous ravine]

wont that have high uptime either way? the regen will fill faster with lower max too

[low harbor]

not all but most

[zealous ravine]

this is on gameslantern

hopefully correct

[low harbor]

150hp (same as vet & psyker, so 1 hp curio good)
75 tgh (with 2 grey nodes +25 each)
3 stam (same as zealot base)
2 stam/s regen rate (best of all classes)
0.5s stam regen delay (best of all classes)

[zealous ravine]

the same as the img

so thats good

[silver mural]

Wait so they dont have bad stam regen

Warudo lied to me? ;-;

[zealous ravine]

naw its really good actually

wuh

did i say it wrong

[muted holly]

stamina regen may be pointless on curios for the Scummer, then

[zealous ravine]

no i said it right

[drifting heron]

Nah

I'm running 36% anyway

I'm a stamina fiend

[muted holly]

I normally go stamina regen, toughness, cdr

on all curios

[drifting heron]

I run gunners dr over cdr

[silver mural]

When you said low i took that as negative, but you meant like low time to fill not low as in slow

[muted holly]

that's going to be pointless on run-n-gun Scummer

[zealous ravine]

ah thats fair

low as in 0.5s delay lo

[silver mural]

Yeah at least when desperado is up

[zealous ravine]

yeah i never see psy run that

[drifting heron]

Running it anyway

Certifiable monkey brain here

[low harbor]

nah, it scales even better on hvs

2.72/s is crazy

[drifting heron]

I love ignoring gunners until theres like 10

[muted holly]

it scales, but base is already high enough to not need it

[low harbor]

and u have a talent that scales dmg based on lost stamina

[zealous ravine]

im just not that stamina pilled honestly

[muted holly]

which means you want more max stamina, not more stamina regen

[drifting heron]

I usually think regeneration is better than maxiumum for like

Every stat ever

[silver mural]

I always do 3 health or 3 tough depending on class LMAO

[drifting heron]

I ❤️ regen tanking

[zealous ravine]

i wish 3 hp ogryn was good

[drifting heron]

hp on ogryn is so redundant

[zealous ravine]

its just funny to have 600 max

[silver mural]

It is definitely funny

[drifting heron]

Yeah its funny but like

[zealous ravine]

eh im already expecting high uptime on this

[drifting heron]

200 toughness AND 300 hp

[zealous ravine]

then theres a bonus if you use up so

i dont think imma bother with stam on hive scum

[drifting heron]

Desperation but just better

Peak

[low harbor]

this talent is why u want max stam regen

[zealous ravine]

which ones desp again

[low harbor]

so u can swap between easily

also rampage sets ur stam to 0% on hitting exhaust

stam regen rate at 2.72 will just refil that super fast

no rzn to not run 3x stam regen rate on hvs

[drifting heron]

and -75% regen right

[zealous ravine]

yes

[blissful gull]

does anyone know if nimble extends the duration of vulture's mark?

[muted holly]

hmm, noticing a lack of ranged cleave in the Scummer tree

[low harbor]

no, 25%

it's x.75

not -25%

[drifting heron]

I love fatshark descriptions

[zealous ravine]

is that the usual desc shenanigans or what

[low harbor]

but ur still getting >2/s with 3x stam regen rate

[low harbor]

kuli guide says x0.75

[muted holly]

I don't see a reason to use Rampage at all

[low harbor]

FS prob typed an extra -

[drifting heron]

Fatshark descriptions moment I guess

[low harbor]

75% melee str, hello

[zealous ravine]

you'll do like twice as much damage with rampage

[muted holly]

and then you're a wet noodle afterwards

[zealous ravine]

not considering other talents though

[low harbor]

nah

[drifting heron]

Infinite power

[bronze glade]

but if you're constantly out of stam that's 20% more melee damage 🤔

[zealous ravine]

there wont be enemies afterward

[low harbor]

exhaust's downsides are WAY less than expected

I thought they were gonna set dodge to -1 million after u hit exhaust

but nah these downsides are super tame

[zealous ravine]

at least they put an exhaust on it

thats a start

now nerf scriers next

[drifting heron]

Nope

Scriers has golden now

[zealous ravine]

heelp heelp!!

[low harbor]

0% stamina = 20% dmg from hive city brawler
25% extra dmg taken, ur alrdy glass cannon with or without
75% stam regen rate, u still have zealot's base stam regen even if u take 0 curio perks on it

it's very very tame

[muted holly]

they should force the player to sit down on the ground and be unresponsive to controls for 30 seconds

that's exhaustion

[silver mural]

Become the floor tile inspector

[zealous ravine]

exhaust makes you into a fent zombie from los angeles

[low harbor]

pretty sure rampage makes basically every avg melee weapon have like power sword dps lol

[silver mural]

It is definitely beeg damage

[finite pilot]

Just gonna throw this out here, Do all the male faces have a nose ring or is that one of the customization options like tattoos?

[muted holly]

all piercings should be optional

[silver mural]

Its cosmetics

[muted holly]

I want my Scummer looking like he just came home from a day at the office

[silver mural]

Joplays games has a vid going through all the cosmetic options

[muted holly]

middle management type

[finite pilot]

Good to know

[zenith fern]

Tied to ganger exclusive faces

You can still use base game faces that those have no piercings

[finite pilot]

Ah.

[zenith fern]

Pretty sure there's only 2 or 3 ganger male exclusive faces

[zealous ravine]

oh yeah

did they add the customizable hairs?

[zenith fern]

New colours

[zealous ravine]

there was a leak of some hairstyles u could customize a little

probably gonna come within 1-5 years

[silver mural]

The gangers desperado is highlighting arbites dogs lol

[zenith fern]

Those probably scrapped hairs

[zealous ravine]

leaked like last week

could just be nothing but they were quite nice lookin.......

[low harbor]

doesn't dog naturally have a light blue highlight

[silver mural]

I thought mine was green, maybe its a setting option

[zealous ravine]

dog is b lue cause they're mean

[fading sun]

thoughts on adrenaline keystone seems kinda mid compared to the other 2

[silver mural]

I havent played in a bit its possible im stupid

[zealous ravine]

it does give attack speed and the condition looks easy

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ryo-yamada-ryo-i-may-be-stupid-bocchi-the-rock-haybo-real-gif-8495031349478581936

[fading sun]

yeah its just kinda weird it has FIVE extra nodes and four of them just make it easier to activate/maintain

despite it looking fairly easy to activate lmao

[zealous ravine]

i'd probably just take these

assassin might be eh but i'll c

[low harbor]

ur own dog is green to u yes
but to others in ur team it's light blue (very light, almost just white)

[silver mural]

Oof

[zealous ravine]

min spec to me would just be 5% tgh/s cause t hats peak on ganger and 20s dura

ok idek if i'd need 20s dura now

[silver mural]

Yeah any toughness gain is peak haha. Ganger is starving for it

[fading sun]

u can refrsh the buff

[zealous ravine]

yea its 5% and it doesnt cancel on tgh break

[fading sun]

so i reckon 20sec duration is enough to maintain right

[zealous ravine]

probably

[blissful gull]

anyone know the crit chance on dual stubs?

[fading sun]

i think id only take it if i wasnt using ganger stimm

for dependancy

[zealous ravine]

the darktide players yearn to be addicts

[fading sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drugs-drug-snow-animal-gif-10335506710319479131

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/tGbiuoQ3kVL.gif

[zealous ravine]

got no idea

[silver mural]

Ita at least 1

[low harbor]

prob +21% at 80% crit bonus

[drifting heron]

It is strangely unlisted on gameslantern

[zealous ravine]

christ

[low harbor]

every other crit bonus stat weapon is 21%

except og heavy stubber

[drifting heron]

Isn't it 12%

[zealous ravine]

idek what i'd take

[drifting heron]

Guess it isn't

[zealous ravine]

run and gun sounds funny on ganger...

[drifting heron]

For dual pistols? Run n gun and Speedload is what I see tossed around

[zealous ravine]

ah i wouldnt b using desperado for speedload

[silver mural]

The mac 10s have it built in from.what ive heard

[reef spoke]

I was thinking Blaze Away + Speedload

[zealous ravine]

guessing desp matters for that at least

[reef spoke]

I wonder if Desperado is good

the blessing that is

[zealous ravine]

oh the blessing

it might just be unnecessary

[reef spoke]

it seems like it'd trigger pretty often

[zealous ravine]

the tree literally has desperado (blessing)) built in

[reef spoke]

yeah but more crit

[zealous ravine]

thats true...

[silver mural]

Ive heard the mac 10s trigger pinning fire very easily

[zealous ravine]

i'd just go heckin blaze away pinning fire on that

all in

buh

10% crit base

[silver mural]

And if you are struggling born in blood prolly

[reef spoke]

Speedload + reload talent + reload perk on guns

reloading a myth

get some REAL desperado (talent) value

[zealous ravine]

oh my god why didd they name MORE things desperado

like this name is just abysmal

[silver mural]

Just cuz

[drifting heron]

It might end up as not final

Maybe

Hopefully

[zealous ravine]

🙏

[reef spoke]

Desperado -> Desperadoer -> Desperadoest

as intended

[zealous ravine]

desperado from bloons td 6

[craggy stream]

Does the Hivescum get weapons outside of their unique ones?

[reef spoke]

yeah

[drifting heron]

Yes

[zealous ravine]

yes gameslantern has them

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/classes/hive-scum

[reef spoke]

the basic stuff like combat shotguns, bolt pistol, and various melee stuff

nothing too wild

[craggy stream]

Okay, good.

[zealous ravine]

no las weaponry

[craggy stream]

Seems like a really cool class regardless

[silver mural]

Although double barrel shotty does sound very fun with desperado

[drifting heron]

Caxe, tac axe, chainsword, chainaxe, Knife, dclaw, and heavy sword

[craggy stream]

Surprised they just let you casually customize drugs

[reef spoke]

yeah with the +20% ammo talent, some weapons can basically have infinite ammo

[silver mural]

Does the slug shotgun do anything to carapace outside its special action

I cannot remember

[reef spoke]

not without some insane rending buffs

[silver mural]

So beyond ranged builds none of gangers guns deal with carapace well beyond bolt pistol right?

[drifting heron]

Needler

Agrivolver

[silver mural]

Oh yeah needler 3 shots all ogryn types

Maybe 2 shot

[zealous ravine]

surprisingly the gun that isnt meant to pen armor was allowed to pen armor

[silver mural]

Just gotta be patient

[reef spoke]

you can still bruteforce carapace with Desperado + Stim

[zealous ravine]

i guess its not the same for every needler

[reef spoke]

you can get 25% rending

and just pray it works out

[silver mural]

Of course, thats why i said outside of ranged builds

[zealous ravine]

i wish needler was dual still.......

[reef spoke]

tbh I didn't really know what you meant by that :p

but yeah needler time

[low harbor]

needle pistol is pretty cool

I'm prob gonna stick to bonesaw + dual 1911s tho

[reef spoke]

I wish I knew how much stacks of toxic it spreads when it explodes enemies

[drifting heron]

I will be freemaning it

[silver mural]

Im gonna try all the non uniques and see how they work with it

[north plank]

Im feeling needler and the crowbar

https://tenor.com/view/housemd-drhouse-halflife-crowbar-gordon-freeman-gif-15279142482895137319

[reef spoke]

I'm going dual autopistols + dual Mk3 knives

[drifting heron]

Well actually I'm going tac axe for like 30 levels

[silver mural]

So at level 1 you get what you want XD

[reef spoke]

I just hope my fingers don't die trying to use the knives

[reef spoke]

exactly 😎

[zealous ravine]

im playing a lot of tac axe 😎 wont be using it at all

[reef spoke]

I hope the rocket launcher is good

[silver mural]

I like shotties and autos and the bolt pistol but they always felt not ammo efficient enough. I feel this class fixes that so ill try them out

[reef spoke]

I'm going to be banking on it for ogryn patrols

I could use the tox grenade for ogryns but that's boring

[reef spoke]

you got it UwU

[silver mural]

Ive heard some people say it benefits from ranged buffs

[reef spoke]

that'd be insane

[muted holly]

I'm going to start with twin autopistols with blaze away and pinning fire

[silver mural]

Yes this perk and desperado make even the worse efficiency guns function haha

[zealous ravine]

guns in havoc finally playable

next they gotta make havoc worth playing

[reef spoke]

"guns viable? Rotten Armor is now standard for all missions"

[zealous ravine]

needler!!!

[silver mural]

Not sure how many buffs tho, it might only be some of them

[reef spoke]

:p

[silver mural]

Fill needles with bleach and purify the rotters

[reef spoke]

yeah I'm holding off min maxing my drug dealer build until I can get a hold of the class so I can test DoT scaling

[amber sundial]

“Needles no longer penetrate flak or carapace armor”

[arctic imp]

Now that the class tree is out and we have seen a good amount of gameplay, do we think the hive scum steps on the class identity of either zealot or vet?

[amber sundial]

Next nerf fr

[silver mural]

Zealot is actually tanky and vets shooting style is the opposite style

[reef spoke]

They're still the only sources of Yellow toughness. But any person wanting a "dakka build" is probably going to have to roll a Hiver lmao

infinite ammo with rocket launchers

as the Emperor intended

[arctic imp]

I’m just seeing a lot of “class op, class makes vet redundant” on reddit and I just don’t see that

[amber sundial]

That’s been said about every class lmao

[reef spoke]

na, Vet is way higher damage potential and more consistent buffs

[arctic imp]

Is this rule or are you just saying that 👀

[reef spoke]

hiver is just more fun imo

because I've been waiting for a dakka or explosive build char for a LONG time

[amber sundial]

No im just joking about how’s they nerf it lmao

[silver mural]

I dont think higher damage potential, but alot less swingy and far tankier

[reef spoke]

3 points in the right side of Vet is +70% damage for playing the game normally

[arctic imp]

Needler need a nerf?

It’s got pen on armor?

[amber sundial]

3 shots is enough for dot to kill a crusher

[reef spoke]

Needler needs a buff, make it belt-fed

[arctic imp]

Yeah but it looked balanced, it takes about as long as it takes me to whack it normally

And that was without rot or havoc shenanigans

[reef spoke]

needler looked fine to me balance-wise

the only thing wack about it is how easily it can smack bosses

[arctic imp]

If needler can apply its shit to a line of enemies though that may be bad

[reef spoke]

but there's plenty of other builds that can do that

[amber sundial]

I haven’t seen tox DPS on monstrosities yet how is it

[reef spoke]

well there's the explosion on death thing that spread toxic

[arctic imp]

it looked better than bleed

[reef spoke]

it's pretty good and reliable

[arctic imp]

Which

Isn’t a lot but it’s good and reliable yes

[silver mural]

From.the many streamers ive seen and all their opinions, thats what ive gathered. But im not good at the game so im relying alot on others

[arctic imp]

It kills them faster than my dog munches them

So it’s better dps than arbites doggo

[reef spoke]

a lot of people tend to forget/underestimate the supporting talents on the right side of Vet. It's wild

I saw someone say Zealot had more damage than Vet and unironically forgot +45% damage because they forgot 2 nodes on the right side

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah but it still takes time to kill

That's the problem with this toxin stuff

[reef spoke]

toxic rocket launcher 🤔

[silver mural]

For sure, very good ammo efficiency but DOT timers

[zenith pagoda]

You're relying on someone else to CC

[reef spoke]

to be fair, you can use this synergy for funny toxin spread

"at close range get grenades" -> "spread toxin in explosion" -> use stimm for more damage

hmmmmmm

[silver mural]

Blackout grenades are also just great in general

[reef spoke]

indeed

[silver mural]

Not as flashy (haha) as the other 2 blitzes but the class doesnt have a lot of CC and i like having a good option to open bulwarks or quick stun annoyances

[reef spoke]

the fact it has so much toxic synergy makes them scale really well too

[silver mural]

Plus a regening grenade is always a great plus

[reef spoke]

I forgot to include the "free damage for toxic builds" talent

[eager apex]

Stub pistols needs a pew pew sound buff 😫
We need some UMPF behind a bang!

[zenith pagoda]

Is blackout AOE?

[reef spoke]

yes

though not very large

it's still there

[zenith pagoda]

Does it stagger bosses?

[reef spoke]

not sure, I haven't seen vids of it being used vs bosses

but probably not?

[silver mural]

Although watch out, apparently the auto kill talent makes crit builds refill the grenades very slowly as the auto kills dont count

[amber sundial]

I don’t think so

[reef spoke]

it'd be pretty busted if it could

[reef spoke]

such is life :c thanks for the info though c:

[rustic axle]

Man I love drugs

[silver mural]

I think the node is called hyper critical

[amber sundial]

yea

[zenith pagoda]

I don't get the whole stim thing, do you get one yourself at the start and it has a cooldown?

[reef spoke]

Drugs = victory

[rustic axle]

I cant wait to shove a crowbar up a crusher's shitter

[reef spoke]

yeah it's a stimm you always have that's just on a cooldown timer BUT you cannot pick up stimms on the map

[silver mural]

Yeah you make a custom stimm and bring it with you. Cooldown when its used

[amber sundial]

You have the stim forever, can’t pick up stims on the map, pressing stim keybind immediately injects yourself, can’t hold it out

cooldown is based off how many nodes you chose

[silver mural]

75 at the longest

[reef spoke]

of note, this means you can't hold med stims forever and never use them :c

[zenith pagoda]

What does the stim box do for you then? Doesn't it give stims?

[amber sundial]

Consumed currently held stim and 40 corruption heal and immunity

[reef spoke]

IF your stimm is off cooldown, consumes the stimm and makes it spread in an AOE for a duration

[amber sundial]

consumed stim is given to all teammates in the radius, otherwise it’s just corruption heal

[reef spoke]

of note, it doesn't give Dependency stacks if used this way (yet)

[silver mural]

Also the cooldown doesnt start until the effect is done apparently, so its actually up to 95 seconds per use eith maxxed stim and that node that increases stim time

[zenith pagoda]

So basically you wanna get your stim tree to have the same cooldown as the box and then use them at the same time?

[reef spoke]

ideally something like that

[amber sundial]

There’s a node for box that immediately refreshes cd when a stim is available

[modern harness]

Hivescum just seems straight up broken overpowered

and no other class comes close

[amber sundial]

keep in mind you have barely any toughness dmg resist or recovery

[reef spoke]

it doesn't have a lot of damage nodes or resistances

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah but I feel like the box isn't worth it if the stims isn't buffed af

[silver mural]

Some of the best players in the game have pointef oht that unlike other broken builds hive scum actually has to worry about dying

[modern harness]

Dosnt matter when your grenades kill maulers twice over

[drifting heron]

Don't get hit

[modern harness]

And u got a needle pistol that destroys crushers

[reef spoke]

how many grenades do you have?

[zealous ravine]

as long as your team is alive maybe lmao

[reef spoke]

how long does it take per crusher to die?

[modern harness]

One Chem grenades kills maulers

[silver mural]

Very slowly though

[modern harness]

it’s broken as shit

Needle pistol just obliterates crushers

[silver mural]

Not if they walk out

[reef spoke]

ah it's good thing there's not many enemies in this game or the limited grenades would be an issue c:

[zenith pagoda]

How is the missile launcher not just a worse version of krak? Does it have larger radius?

[modern harness]

Desperado skill alone turns you into doom guy making u straight up unkillable and inf ammo

[reef spoke]

bigger AOE

[zenith pagoda]

Rotten armour counter

[reef spoke]

it's actually Vulture that makes you invincible

[amber sundial]

exchange the time it takes for the grenade to explode after sticking for deploy and holster speed

[craggy stream]

Are the unique weapons good enough to edge out some of the better base weapons that the Hivescum gets?

[silver mural]

Chem grenade maxes out at 6 stacks, so its not killing anything too quickly even if it technically can kill just about anything within its duration

[reef spoke]

WILD that this made it past balancing

[zenith pagoda]

I didn't even notice that lmao

[amber sundial]

Tbf if you’re in the attacks actual dmg box you’ll still get hit so you gotta move

[reef spoke]

"immunity"

is it just a dodge then?

[zenith pagoda]

Does "close range kills" only apply to ranged attacks?

[amber sundial]

It just means you’re dodging

[wanton summit]

huh, so wheres all this gameplay and footage I'm seeing coming from?

[modern harness]

Which everyone will have

[amber sundial]

NDA wore off

[modern harness]

desperado is just straight up broken

It’s not even fair

[reef spoke]

ah, classic Fatshark wording

[amber sundial]

everyone can post about it

[silver mural]

Sawblade is the best weapon period for builds reliant on tox chem nodes.

Not sure about the other two but crowbar is basically the only good option for stagger

[modern harness]

u cant die to bullets ur fast as shit u got inf ammo and u can spam it cause of ur 2 nodes

U also get RENDING

[naive briar]

They should give this class dual foehammers at some point

[craggy stream]

Crowbar is funny

[silver mural]

Crowbar is viscious, lotta blood with each beak strike

[wanton summit]

Ah, so some got to play early? Fair then. Seems like a fun class when it comes around. Shame I gotta buy but I don't expect deals when it comes to anything GW endorsed... just price hikes

[reef spoke]

classic warhammer moment

[amber sundial]

It’ll only be like 12 dollars

It’s not like you’re buying a mini

[reef spoke]

don't tempt them

[zenith pagoda]

Tbh I wanna use rampage it seems so much fun

[zealous ravine]

not yet

the warhammer pipeline

[silver mural]

Desperado even in ideal circumstances has downtime and a gunner at high diff will erase you when out of it

[amber sundial]

I will NOT be buying minis I will do the responsible way and play table top sim

[glossy niche]

Think of it like buying 1/3 of an ogryn kit

[heady jungle]

Au’ra pfp spotted

[reef spoke]

the only talent I saw that seems pretty busted is this one

its effectively infinite ammo

[glossy niche]

Most of the fun with minis is just painting them tbh

[zenith pagoda]

For rampage, are you able to avoid exhaustion by triggering your ability again before it ends? Or does it only start regenning after your ability finishes?

[reef spoke]

with the Needle pistol, 20% ammo is 20 rounds

[amber sundial]

Only after the abilities end do desperado and rampage recharge

[reef spoke]

you can kill a shotgunner with 20 rounds lol

[drifting heron]

CD only starts after the ability is over

[silver mural]

Also many people have said, hive scum might be the hardest class to play yet. So even if its op its harder to unlock its potential.

Arbites on the other hand is very easy to use well

[glossy niche]

They're going all in on it being the close combat ranged class

[silver mural]

Ive been watching streams of decent players and they still die

[reef spoke]

you just KNOW someone is going to make a speed stim + Desperado + Vulture build for fucking +45% speed and try to speedrun the map

[amber sundial]

only to immediately get backstabbed by singular pox walker and they fold

[zenith pagoda]

Gunslinger is the only aura to take lmao

[reef spoke]

with +45% speed, can you even be hit in melee?

[amber sundial]

if you backpedal right into them yea

[silver mural]

Zealot: finally a worthy foe! Our battle will be legendary!

[reef spoke]

the ammo regen aura on a class with infinite ammo?

[cunning rain]

So, quick question about the needle gun, I’m aware the special fire makes the enemies explode when they’re killed, but A) is that only if the poison kills them? And B) can you mix regular shots with special shots on the same target and still get them to explode?

[craggy stream]

Plus you can beat a daemon to death with a crowbar. Which is funny

[reef spoke]

the ammo regen aura is probably the worst one

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm running crit aura on this mf

[zenith pagoda]

Gotta think about teammates

[limber cradle]

Fuck em

Thats what I think

[silver mural]

Tbf its really good for making ammo crates go far on high diff

[reef spoke]

hive scum thinking about others 🤔

I see you're not rping UwU

[glossy niche]

Gordan freeman

[amber sundial]

Hyper violence can make you two shot a DH :)

[reef spoke]

daemonhosts are human sized?

[silver mural]

Its not as funny as the shit shovel, but its definitely great

[amber sundial]

Wrong talent, hyper violence is over kill = more melee dmg #hivescum-class message

[spark gyro]

They just chilling vibing

[modern harness]

What the hell is the stim lab

[silver mural]

Its how you make your custom stimm

[reef spoke]

oh shit that's huge. I'll try to see if I can make that fit into my builds lol

[reef spoke]

true :p

[modern harness]

That’s the like pocket medkit looking thing right

That u put down

[amber sundial]

no, it’s your 4 button

[silver mural]

No, that ability just lets you share your stimm

[modern harness]

O

[amber sundial]

that’s the right ability

[craggy stream]

The bonesaw has a nice little flavour to it. The block with it has the hivescum holding it with a cloth

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone know if "close range" is ranged only?

[amber sundial]

Basically you make a custom stim, that is on a cooldown, in exchange for not being able to pick up other stims

[reef spoke]

it also tastes good when I lick it c:

[silver mural]

Its a great detail

[reef spoke]

within I believe 12m of you

[amber sundial]

Well just have to see on launch

[silver mural]

Grape and green apple flavors

[craggy stream]

A little spooky considering if even a hiver won't touch it then it's gonan be a bad time

[modern harness]

Wait so everyone has the stim no matter what build

[amber sundial]

No, only if you build the stim

[reef spoke]

ONLY if they put points into the stimm lab at all

[amber sundial]

Otherwise you can still grab map stims

[reef spoke]

if you don't, your stim slot is empty

[amber sundial]

It’s an entirely different tree to talents

[silver mural]

If you put points into it then yes you will have a custom stimm. Just dont put points in it if you dont want it

[reef spoke]

you probably want to make a custom stimm though, tbh I don't know why you wouldn't

[craggy stream]

Fuck yeah custom drugs!

[reef spoke]

reusable, custom drugs c:

[amber sundial]

maybe if there were 3 other gamgers and you want map stims

only reason I’d see on launch

[modern harness]

Why would you not want to use the stim lab the stim lab seems like a billion times better than the default stims

[silver mural]

Maybe when levelling and map stimms are better haha.

Before you get a good amount of points

[reef spoke]

actually the map stims are better

but they're 1-time use

[amber sundial]

Also for the med stim

since you can’t craft that

[reef spoke]

meanwhile you can get +20% strength and +10% crit stim every 45s (as an example)

[silver mural]

Wouldnt it be 60 since the timer doesnt start till the effect ends

[reef spoke]

the exact stimm combo I stated is 45s

[amber sundial]

CD doesn’t start til stim ends

[reef spoke]

indeed

[silver mural]

Wait so you mean its 30 second cooldown with that

[reef spoke]

but I'm curious to see how this interacts with stimms on cooldown

[zenith pagoda]

"a tertium welcome" Is just free melee damage to single targets

[reef spoke]

"you'll learn to shoot before you learn to walk" -most pacifist Atoma parent

[silver mural]

Its very good with sawblade if running high viscosity

[spark gyro]

Seems strong asf

[reef spoke]

I was thinking some grenade spammer build with bonesaw

[zealous ravine]

the trick shot doing more stagger implies it makes the bullet go faster

[reef spoke]

potentially very strong

[spark gyro]

The dot seems very strong from the clips I saw

[light linden]

is Chem Grenade just a better Immolation Grenade, or does Immolation still have something it's better at?

[zealous ravine]

oh my god is that a beast of nurgle kill it kill it now

[reef spoke]

the trick shot going more damage is because they took psionic damage from being styled on

[silver mural]

For sure the tox chem stimm builds look very good

[spark gyro]

New main but will never replace ogryn😩

[zealous ravine]

aura farming making the character stronger is very 40k

[reef spoke]

that's a good question, chem grenades just seem better because they rip apart carapace too

[silver mural]

Imagine being a trained military sniper and some drugged up civilian one taps you across the map while twirling their pistol

[zenith pagoda]

Lethal prox affect blackout or only missiles

[zealous ravine]

"civilian" they're the top hive gangers in atoma

[reef spoke]

battle hardened warmaster vs local hive member -> even fight UwU

[zealous ravine]

aka the ones that managed to live this long

[amber sundial]

immolation might cover a larger area?

[light linden]

that's what i thought too. then i thought perhaps immolation is better against unarmored, and maybe lasts longer, but i dont know. targets that die to chem grenade seem to explode aswell, so i get the feeling i'm wrong

[reef spoke]

Based on Vet interactions, it SHOULD affect blackout but would need further testing to be sure

[silver mural]

Thats true, but my wording is trying to be as comedic as possible and is technically correct

[light linden]

yea, that's a good point

[reef spoke]

we don't know the AOE of the chem grenade so maybe it would have that 🤔

[zealous ravine]

for funnies its fair but its decreasing the aura stocks smh

[amber sundial]

Only time I’ve seen chem in videos is choke points

so it might be a tiny radius

[reef spoke]

chem also spreads when they explode

so the AOE might be more deceptive than at first glance

[silver mural]

Wdym

[amber sundial]

also do we know duration of immolation compared to chem nade?

[reef spoke]

some of the toxin versions cause enemies to explode on death which spread more toxin to nearby enemies

I think it's the yellow one based from what I saw

[spark gyro]

Vet needs some love

[reef spoke]

Vet is plenty strong, its users? not so much...

[amber sundial]

they’re taking about vet changes rn in the chat

VoC getting some changes

[silver mural]

The explosions for the chem blitz is just a stagger afaik, but yeah the needler has a mark where the alt fire is AOE tox stacks

[reef spoke]

in fact, psyker is cracked as fuck but only like 5% of psyker players can play psyker

[lost token]

Behold. Flesh, steel, blood.

[silver mural]

The outlaw sometimes chastises the bounty hunter scum

[light linden]

what changes? who's talking? 🙂 curious

[zenith pagoda]

I'm not sure what melee I wanna use

Crowbar is versatile, and has superiority blessing

Shivs have the throwing knife that will be great for bosses

Probably my favourite is the bone saw, since it passively applies tox or brittleness stacks

[amber sundial]

epic Cole was talking

also bath.rawr

[reef spoke]

I'm thinking of Bone Saw and try to use it spread toxin in order to hordeclear

failing that, just Mk3 shivs

[drowsy relic]

I wanna use shivs

[zenith pagoda]

It's attack pattern changes too I think

[light linden]

ill have to try them all out to see. crowbar is cool, then again shivs are cool too, and ofc bonesaw is unique, haha

[zenith pagoda]

Based on the mode

[amber sundial]

Ima stick to bone saw needler since I like being a goober for DoT

[spark gyro]

I got him max then stopped using him. But love the spam

[silver mural]

Yeah decent way ti start a boss fight if you dont have a needler with the knives

[drowsy relic]

It's really funny that it's symmetrical except that node they stapled on at the end there

[silver mural]

And with the tox stack on crit you can keep that DOT ticking

[reef spoke]

"+70% damage for moving, shooting, and hitting people"

[spark gyro]

😛😛

[low harbor]

I think
CD rate > speed > strength > toughness
in terms of stim route's value

[reef spoke]

Yeah it was just an example of a stim thing you can do

compared to a map stim

[steep vale]

What does the debuff from the saw do when you wipe off the toxin

Im so confused

[silver mural]

Cd rate also loses some value on a dependancy build just as a little aside

[reef spoke]

it changes to a Brittleness toxin (purple)

[amber sundial]

It swaps from chem toxin to a unique brittleness

[drowsy relic]

grape mode is brittleness

[steep vale]

Oh ok

[drowsy relic]

apple mode is poison

[low harbor]

it does not

[steep vale]

I see

Fuck all of the new melees look sick

[amber sundial]

The brittleness can stack with thunderous

[silver mural]

You arent wiping it off, just changing it to grape flavor.

Grape is brittleness and green apple is toxic

[light linden]

is it correct that the Bonesaw applies a different toxin than the Chem Toxin?

[steep vale]

Mk III shivs and crowbar have really peaked my interest the most so far

[amber sundial]

it’s the same

[reef spoke]

I haven't seen anyone say it's different

[rustic axle]

It switch to a more armour-piercing based toxin

[zealous oak]

no

[zealous ravine]

i mean sometimes yeah

unless the purple is also called chem toxin...

[rustic axle]

Yknow what i dont get myself? The needle gun special

Whay difference does it make, no matter how many times I saw footage I didnt get it

[amber sundial]

One mark makes enemies explode on death, one makes enemies poison others nearby on death for alt fire

[zenith pagoda]

This seems so broken

Can't you continuously slide

[light linden]

are those two different poison debuffs then? 😵‍💫

[spark gyro]

Hmm

[silver mural]

I think at a certain point cdr is less nescessary compared to more damage. And if you already got a ton from dependancy... idk seems overkill

[low harbor]

nah it is a massive difference

[amber sundial]

AFAIK it’s the normal chem toxin + a status that makes them poison or explode on death

[reef spoke]

its only overkill if it's 0s cooldown

[zenith pagoda]

Don't even need to dodge crusher overheads anymore, just slide away

[reef spoke]

otherwise cd > damage

[low harbor]

take rampage as an example
ur looking at 18s vs 9s CD with/without CD rate stim

and this is assuming max dependency stacks for -40% CD

[light linden]

hmm. i only saw Mr. E's video where he showed that the DOT on the exploding one did less damage than the DOT of the non-exploding one. no idea if this was an outdated build

[amber sundial]

Mr e showed off a lot of old stuff afaik

I don’t watch him so idk

[light linden]

yea, he did. but then again, was this one of the things that changed? just a little confusing

[amber sundial]

It’ll easy to understand once it actually drops and people can… use it

[light linden]

definitely. this is just to satisfy my curiosity of what possibilities there might be :3

[silver mural]

Im not saying its useless, im just saying you dont nescessarily need a 9 second cooldown on an ability.

I know some.streamers are definitely preferring other stimm effects to cdr

[low harbor]

the speed one is pretty good too

tho cd just means less rampage downtime = more rampage uptime

[silver mural]

Speed is fun in general, zoom zoom is the main reason i ever played zealot lol

[low harbor]

and rampage as an ability is way higher dps than stims on their own

[steep vale]

Twin stub pistols are defo gonna be what i use

[light linden]

curious to know if it's worth using 3x stamina curios for attack speed (granted by the Swift Endurance talent)

[amber sundial]

Oh yea, does rampage CD while exhaust is active or after exhaust ends

11 base stamina + weapon stamina

[zealous ravine]

oh

thats a hilarious talent

[amber sundial]

no wait

It’s 12 base stamina

[silver mural]

But it also is smth that already lasts a long time, a higher damage potential in some game situations is definitely valuable. Higher ceiling vs higher average i guess is what id call it

[zealous ravine]

dual shivs 3 stam curios +stam on wep

[amber sundial]

12 base stamina + stam on weapon + weapon base stamina

peak

[low harbor]

yea higher avg is just usually better

[candid flare]

Gottagofast

[light linden]

3 base stamina + 9 curio stamina + weapon stamina + perk stamina 😛

[amber sundial]

we already regen 2 stamina a second base

[normal steeple]

@deft sleet does hyper critical account for DR

[amber sundial]

so regen ain’t even that necessary

[reef spoke]

regen bad

All or Nothing value UwU

[candid flare]

Stam regen is nice for making spamming slides more forgiving

[amber sundial]

Pretty nice base stamina

[reef spoke]

ganger even has 10% base crit too

my psyker friend was "not pleased"

[amber sundial]

psyker for reference

[forest escarp]

it begiiiins

[light linden]

gonna listen to Carpenter Brut - Turbo Killer on repeat while playing hive scum then

[reef spoke]

oh that reminds me, got to find the new Kyd music for the new map

[amber sundial]

they sprint faster than psyker by 0.2 apparently

[low harbor]

psyker needs ~95 nerfs

[reef spoke]

I think you mean 95 buffs 😎

[silver mural]

Cole wasnt valuing it too high over other stimm effects (toughness one obviously sucks hard)

18 vs 9 is obv a big difference! But if rampage lasts let say 30 seconds one presses f every 48 seconds and the other every 39. And thats assuming you always use abilities asap, which isn't always the case.

I think its definitely possible to make a case for speed or damage stimms.

But tbag being said im running a cdr stimm just to run and gun more lol

[low harbor]

the speed stim has value cuz 20% atk speed + stun immunity is very strong to make up for the gap between rampage

[silver mural]

We can at least agree no matter what the toughness stimm is balls XD

[low harbor]

if it was tgh gain modifier it'd be ok

but it's coherency regen

so it's balls

[reef spoke]

change the toughness replenishment to resistance please UwU

[silver mural]

Yeah coherency is so bad. Fatshark please change it

[light linden]

are you talking about the Barrage branch of the Broker Stimm?

[tepid cosmos]

yes its if they die before the special poison fades

[low harbor]

yes

[zenith pagoda]

Not sure how this talent would play out

[amber sundial]

simple solution, make each barrage node a flat 1% toughness regen over duration fr

[low harbor]

that route is horrible

[cunning rain]

Thank you

[light linden]

okay. why is that route horrible?

[silver mural]

It seems to activate often enough on crit heavy weapons from psykanium play ive seen

[reef spoke]

it's coherency regen not total regen based on the wording

so you're really getting just -4% damage taken

[zenith pagoda]

Seems like it would only be useful for maulers idk

[light linden]

oh

[tepid cosmos]

getting a few points in it is nice for just taking 8% less damage

[amber sundial]

Your choice is either an extra 4% dmg resist or a flat half toughness regen when stim first activates for final node lol

[silver mural]

Double its DR and remove tbe toughness buff lol

[zenith pagoda]

This is my build prototype

[amber sundial]

just make the toughness regen like actual regeneration instead of coherency regen speed

[zealous ravine]

the wicked platform on bottom right

[light linden]

don't you get -4% damage taken for each point you put into the Barrage branch? so 4 points would be -16% damage taken?

[low harbor]

yes

but that's not good enough to match the other 3 routes

[amber sundial]

Would the long lasting stim talent affect he box ability or no?

[light linden]

yea, that makes sense

[zealous oak]

it costs 10 points total

[reef spoke]

it's just the opportunity cost is so high

[silver mural]

Its kinda funny, that due to how the math works its possible for dual guns to have an odd ammo count with ammo jack.

Which means the ganger isnt loading the same amount of bullets in each gun and that makes me smile a tiny bit

[reef spoke]

a ganger making a mistake with packing their mags fits the vibe imo :p

[amber sundial]

underpacking a random mag every other mag lol

[silver mural]

For sure

I just realized that scum might be the meta pick for barrel carrying with the slide nodes

Omg nerf hivescum quick

[reef spoke]

ogryns on suicide watch