hivescum-class

[novel oracle]

3 will do more

blackout

[candid flare]

WITNESS MEEEEEEE
-Gets 1shot by a crusher-

[steel briar]

I'll give it a try lol

[frigid basalt]

I hope someone mods in the sly marbo screaming when the fent head uses the ability

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pocketsand-pocket-sand-gif-5719959

[novel oracle]

yeah i know

[flat mist]

Yeah I meant blackout + pocket tox

[novel oracle]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4ThOW6bF9MOJeReWFiy2ri?si=cef4c75a39a2400a

[flat mist]

Wtf does pocket stand mean though haha

[candid flare]

Brother just wants a definition

[novel oracle]

blackout
blinder
pocket sand

all the same thing

[candid flare]

Not an example

[novel oracle]

we called it pocket sand before there was an actual name

or do you want to actually know what pocket sand itself is

[steel briar]

Been practicing with my bomber Psyker.

[novel oracle]

cuz its this

[patent bone]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2ChJcWHogLUQvkT6iZCCCi?si=085iX9XsRiOAkISw2RPcZw

[flat mist]

Nah I'm with you now, and I know pocket sand hahahah

[spark gyro]

They do

[novel oracle]

oh i recognize the name crossfaith

[flat mist]

Always sunny right?

[patent bone]

I've played nothing but Killing Floor 2 to prepare for this!!

[patent bone]

Pretty fire track, I use it to BF6

[candid flare]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6ZK0n3gQqyzhVkTATk3QHm?si=t6uZ7zlRRyWi19oOycCY6A

[novel oracle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/700WLw5POAszDtwaAkTDrm?si=cdd04e6f2d3d499a

i knew it was qemists and crossfaith but the name doesnt match, but a quick google said its just 1 guy from that band

[fast gust]

On demand stagger blitz? Yep that's pocket sand

[steel briar]

I've been playing Darktide and Cyberpunk 2077.

Soon it'll be Cyberpunk 40k.

[rapid mango]

pocket sand, pocket toxin, pocket rocket, how many pockets they have 😭

[patent bone]

Absolutely based brother!!

[candid flare]

I have never heard this crossfaith. Gives me powerman5000/ static x vibes

[spark gyro]

Doesn't fit darktide

[patent bone]

For whenever I learn to make a video
https://open.spotify.com/track/1OQi6wCf8imzXVFLEOqDAD?si=bHZ4PmzXRiK_O8lfjTiohg

[candid flare]

With a touch of deftones

Very early naughts. Def my type of jam

[patent bone]

Last portion is when I hit desperado

[novel oracle]

the bands/people in my rotation for a couple years now have been
pendulum, celldweller (and his projects), blue stahli (and his projects), and venjent

[lavish bronze]

if inly they gave singular stub pistol to other classes

[flat mist]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxRnv5N_9tfgC20PBI7Eg7e4gqWBr6mRed?si=Dxi3MZcbYFEaw0lY

idk if you meant this but if u didn’t this is superior

[candid flare]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3qU5eXnUxbaKX9bCMAgbik?si=tgmikJxwSDWBPYiFNJdO6w

When I stim this is the vibe I'm going for

[vernal sluice]

blue stahli mentioned 🧎‍♂️

[patent bone]

LOVE Blue Stahli

[novel oracle]

theres a lot of it in the playlist

[vernal sluice]

a true classic of gamer music

[novel oracle]

ive been lazy tho and havent added more of the devil to it

[near vapor]

hive scum

[candid flare]

SO FUCKING EXCITED

[frigid basalt]

and it should hit harder than plasma

[patent bone]

BRO YOU GOT JOJO?!?

HELL YEAH

[vernal sluice]

also holy shit this is just straight up boomer shooter gameplay

[novel oracle]

i hope you know all of my embargo files, footage, thumbnails, and adobe files dont say hive scum

all of them skip the first letter of both words

[toxic dagger]

Good morning chat

[fast gust]

[candid flare]

Haldo Hank

[near vapor]

hot

[patent bone]

Hey Hank! How be the Hive Scum?

Are we ready?

[fast gust]

[novel oracle]

you wont ever call it anything else now

[vernal sluice]

Pungent Petard

[novel oracle]

psyker has perilous combustion

broker has stinky combustion

[toxic dagger]

Better off asking cole

[frigid basalt]

bro just opened a soup can

[fast gust]

I thought his name was StimEnjoyer

[vernal sluice]

uh does hivescum have same or lower base hp and tough values compared to psyker?

[candid flare]

I love playing "Pin out, Pin in" while riding the elevator

[toxic dagger]

I spent my evening recording heavy dialogue with frip frop

[near vapor]

insane DOT

[novel oracle]

ive been talking about em for a while

[patent bone]

I hope Locken releases some conversations, I'm VERY curious how the gangers interact with everyone

[novel oracle]

its just vet guys
except this doesnt play like vet at all

[fast gust]

Not that crazy, it isn't golden era rippah gluggler

[novel oracle]

hive scum has 75 toughness and 150 hp base

[near vapor]

what do they call the respective classes

[candid flare]

Shooty mcface, junkie mcstim, and fisty McCrowbar

[patent bone]

Watched this with Roller Mobster playing in the background Chefs kiss

[vernal sluice]

better be something really funny for arbites 🙏

[patent bone]

They call Veterans 'Killers'

That's all I know

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1397266250798993551/1443330862287683644/RDT_20251126_1356072215565206726240915.jpg?ex=692bf9dd&is=692aa85d&hm=d9bbb31d4d08537e106bc0efdc13bc520a7147fe42b437803fb9362cf3ae5edb&=&format=webp&width=352&height=263

[fast gust]

That sounds like what the outlaw and anarchist would call vets

What about Bountiful hunter

[patent bone]

Scum: "SHAMK!"
Heretic: "Bit rewd to put that knoife in me chest, innit bruv?"
Arbitrator: "Oioioi ya wankah, wots all this then? You get a loicense fer getting stabbed?"
Scum: "I got me stabbin loicense roight 'ere, From the Emperor"
Arbitrator: "Well loicense is a loicense, sorry mate, can't interfeah"
Heretic: "Bloody 'ell"
Scum: "Bit sad, innit"

[fast gust]

Stubdualpistols are peak Scum Wick

Or John Scum

[neon coral]

yo what up

[candid flare]

I still think I have the best name picked out for my scummer

[patent bone]

Wattup

[patent bone]

Do tell brethren

[novel oracle]

im so proud of LocalCartnitePlug

[candid flare]

It's a deep dive

G G Allen.

[candid flare]

Also known as the King of Scum.

[patent bone]

Mines is JenkemJunkie

[fast gust]

I'll prob name mine StimEnjoyer
my psyker is belovedEnjoyer
My Ogryn is RashonEater
Veterunt is AmmoEnjoyer

So it checks out

[candid flare]

Based

[lavish bronze]

ill probably go with gordon freeman or joan jett

[patent bone]

Arbites is LexEnforcer?

[fast gust]

LexLover

[lavish bronze]

depends if male or female sounds better

[flat mist]

Probably gonna name mine Irosk

Gotta be consistent

[candid flare]

I made my first 5 based on different parts if "RocknRoll Steve"
Rox
Kandrol
Rollins
Styphos
And my ogryn is just RocknRoll.Steve

[lavish bronze]

also how many of you know whos joan jett is

[patent bone]

Who doesn't?

[lavish bronze]

a lot of people dont

[flat mist]

Also I can't stand when people are like "Hey Irosk, remember me?" No cunt, you're playing a differently named character and I have brain damage

[candid flare]

Meee

[candid flare]

Meeeee

[patent bone]

Jk I'm just gonna be Jakka

Because it rhymes with Dakka

[vernal sluice]

Hey Irosk, forgotten me?

[lavish bronze]

alternative is also ozzy osbourne. (rip) we all know how much drugs he did use

[flat mist]

Never bby

[patent bone]

Don't forget the legend Lemmy

[candid flare]

RIP God

[patent bone]

He didn't die. He just went home

[lavish bronze]

nah lemmy doesnt correlate to hivescum to me

ogryn more likely

[patent bone]

He's a literal anarchist lmao

[candid flare]

Lemme fits noise marine

[lavish bronze]

anarchist is not equal to to being a punk rocker looking skinny mf

[candid flare]

He literally turned every dial on his header to max

Noise Marine

[patent bone]

One of the personalities is Anarchist
He's fast, he's loud, he's God

Therefore he fits
Either here or Orks

[lavish bronze]

nah lemmy was wide

[patent bone]

Also he did a shitton of speed with Jimmi Hendrex

[lavish bronze]

aint a skinny bitch

[patent bone]

He skinny and got bitches

Also we fat shaming in the year of our stimm 2025?!

[lavish bronze]

shame

[rotund atlas]

welcome back no kill like overkill from borderlands 2

[lavish bronze]

lemmy would make a great ogryn voice imo

[candid flare]

Junkies are skinny 4 a reason

Helllll yeah

[patent bone]

GIVE ME HIVE SCUM I AM READY!!!

[candid flare]

Just imagined Sebastian Bach voicing a Psyker

Am dead

💀

[patent bone]

Darktide needs Face McShooty

[patent bone]

Morrow after we reach level 30

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

[candid flare]

Shooty Mcface's entire rant is my ringtone

[patent bone]

It's my national anthem

[flat mist]

Hyper violence is broken af

[twin grove]

Lovely man nothing else

[patent bone]

I'll take a bullet for that man

[twin grove]

I'd kiss him

[rotund atlas]

the fuck

[candid flare]

And my text notif is Torgue shouting "THIS MESSAGE IS IRRELEVANT"

[patent bone]

Actually no, I'll charge Khorne, Fuck Slaanesh, Play chess with Tzeentch, and Give Nurgle a bath on his command

[candid flare]

And my alarm in the morning is score from the Jakob's Island DLC in the 1st borderlands

And I'm getting a backpiece tattoo that is an amalgamation of the cover art for every Borderlands game

Morrow is a liar and a heretic

I want to have his children

[lavish bronze]

leave daddy morrow alone

[patent bone]

I ship it

[calm moon]

I wish Fat shark had shown us the intro scene, or any of the gameplay afterwards instead of the trailer and gameplay teasers 😂

Looks way better

[patent bone]

Morrow canonically makes all the Fem HS thirsty for him just by sheer Aura alone

[flat mist]

Can the barber change your sex

I've never looked

[plain kayak]

Another Scotsman has been unleashed

[patent bone]

Yes

[lavish bronze]

yes

[novel oracle]

yeah he just gives your dick a little trim

nothing too major

[leaden lark]

He's also got some o that dick growing cream

[patent bone]

40k is truly the future to strive for

[flat mist]

Bro's gonna need a magnifying glass

[tranquil fjord]

hivescum can get emphatic evasion but for all attacks?

[flat mist]

Only procs from ranged attacks and is gated behind a keystone, but yes

[tranquil fjord]

damn

is it just melee and ranged

[novel oracle]

yes

[tranquil fjord]

or pox gas and

ah

[novel oracle]

it puts you in a dodging state for melee and ranged

talents like that tho

[tranquil fjord]

its worded as that it grants immunity to all attacks

[flat mist]

Infinite stamina with that other node lel

[novel oracle]

make me crash out a little bit

the cracks are showing

[lethal quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-pikachu-gif-15534172931515664750

[flat mist]

Bc it invalidates threats?

[novel oracle]

you know what cracks im talking about vamp, silence

[lethal quartz]

[patent bone]

Awww now kith

[tranquil fjord]

we may see just how it compares to other classes later

[hot nexus]

Quick can someone make a hivescum weapons tier list

[grand jewel]

You do it

[tranquil fjord]

i foresee it needing its initial tuning in some places

[hot nexus]

I can’t think for myself if there aren’t funny letters next to it

[flat mist]

sets reminder to ask after release

[patent bone]

All dual weapons are S tier

[candid flare]

S - Crowbar, Dual Stubs.
F - Everything else

(Don't listen to me)

[leaden lark]

S - Crowbar, Dual Stubs.
F - Everything else

LISTEN TO ME I AM CORRECT

[patent bone]

Now do a stimm tier list

[leaden lark]

Cartel special is 10/10

[candid flare]

S - LSD, Heroine, Mdma
F - Fent

(I'm high on bathsalts don't listen to me just give me your kidney)

[leaden lark]

I have no idea what mdma is

Thank god for that

[flat mist]

I assumed as much

[novel oracle]

ngl i cant even properly do that and ive played with them

[flat mist]

F+ - Ice, Ketamine

[novel oracle]

s tier - shivs
a tier - dual stubs, dual autopistols, saw, crowbar
b tier - needle pistol

[flat mist]

How tf can anyone not know what mdma is

[leaden lark]

Why tf is anyone supposed to know what mdma is?

Sorry, I am not a drug addict

[livid raven]

it's something like ligma

[vast yoke]

K tier - Kratom, Ketamine

[livid raven]

almost bofa

[flat mist]

Thank you for apologising

[candid flare]

Bro does not understand lived perspective

[leaden lark]

Being surprised that someone doesn't know all the illegals substances names is insane take

[livid raven]

how bad are shivs against armor

[flat mist]

Surprise is an emotion not a take

[vast yoke]

they have uncanny

[candid flare]

Being suprised anyone doesn't know literally any information at all

[leaden lark]

why

[livid raven]

how bad are shivs against hordes

[leaden lark]

why do they need uncanny

[vast yoke]

the class has a billion cleave%

[leaden lark]

That's just a blessing that will never get replaced with anything else

[vast yoke]

copy pasted the combat knife blessings list

[leaden lark]

bruh

[candid flare]

My cat just farted on me in her sleep should I hit her with a stim?

[leaden lark]

Uncanny sucks so much

you see it - you take it

[verbal dew]

is uncanny getting nerfed btw, the numbers looked smaller in the showcases

[leaden lark]

Make uncanny 5% per stack

maybe then it will be balanced

[muted python]

24 hour blinding stim yes

[flat mist]

A bath salt stim?

[flat mist]

Only for the new weapons, apparently. Still 24% per stack for DS

[candid flare]

I was thinking 10mg of pure Epinephrine

[verbal dew]

interesting

[candid flare]

That'll wake her up

[verbal dew]

at least shovel isn't gonna be poop then

[candid flare]

Wait she's 12 lbs, 1 mg

[patent bone]

Already took yours

[verbal dew]

the others could do with a little less rending

[vast yoke]

hope they rebalance it dependant on every weapon tbh

[flat mist]

Well they certainly won't be farting on you in their sleep after that

[candid flare]

'EY! I WAS GUNNA SELL THAT LATUH

[livid raven]

i think they need to touch up uncanny on the ds

it should be twice as good

posted by ds gang

[novel oracle]

shovel at 40% rending would still be top tier like it is now

[patent bone]

NOT MAH FAULT YOUSE TOO SLOW!!

[vast yoke]

tbh I've been skipping it lately on DS (it's still very good)

[livid raven]

it would

[novel oracle]

it literally wouldnt lmao

the last stack does 4% at tier 4

[livid raven]

doesn't it become extra damage

[flat mist]

The 4% of the extra

I misspoke

[lost token]

Anyone happen to know where I can find vids of different personalities for hive scum? Trying to peep as much flavor dialogue as possible.

[novel oracle]

because beyond that, its past the hard cap of 100% rending bonus

@livid raven thats past the adm of 1

[livid raven]

right

[candid flare]

So. like. Do Scum canonically clean thrmselves? Or are they out here unintentionally worshipping nurgle?

[flat mist]

So doubling it would give you like a 25% damage boost

[novel oracle]

once the adm reaches one, it continues but at a 1/4th rate

[vast yoke]

chocoB vid on hive scum previews them

[lost token]

I'll use that as a launchpad. Appreciated.

[novel oracle]

but rending/brittleness, regardless of adm, caps out at 100%

that means the 20% in the 120% of uncanny does literally fucking nothing whatsoever

[patent bone]

Friendliest Hive Scum and Arbites encounter:

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-keploor-yenshire-gif-gif-25142463

[leaden lark]

make uncanny 5% per stack, problem fixed

[candid flare]

Brittle reduces armor, armoris just a percentage increase, you can only remove 100% of an increase

[novel oracle]

what

what does this even mean

are you sure you know how brittleness/rending works

[lost token]

Which one is this?

[novel oracle]

female anarchist

[candid flare]

Lol no don't ever listen to me

[patent bone]

Anarchist HS I think

[leaden lark]

you have no idea what you're talking about

This is just misinformation

[flat mist]

Did you guys know you get extra ordo dockets at the end of mission if u kill all the barrels

[livid raven]

extra ordos if you hit your teammates with them

[lost token]

I mean. Dude did just say that they don't know fr. Opportunity to educate is all I'm saying.

[flat mist]

No that's a myth

[verbal dew]

who's out here needing ordos

[patent bone]

Even more if you hit yourself

[flat mist]

Stop trolling don

[livid raven]

i would never lie

[flat mist]

Oh shit

I'm sorry then

[novel oracle]

ive got a havoc as the male bounty hunter and another as the female anarchist (and a no mans land as her too)
everyone in the lobby of all of them is a hive scum so you can just listen to the dialogue

[candid flare]

There's a penance for killing your teammates with barrels 42069 times

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/sda38Gh0tq8?si=UQ2N-BhLmVHSbvoj
https://youtu.be/ayEGDWzUj1M?si=r8K005o0tv5agpP9
https://youtu.be/4q8H93dLqqk?si=sjQjspsLFkJ75lcC

[patent bone]

What are the interactions with the other classes like?

[echo python]

Brittleness and Rending work the same way, in that if a weapon deals 2% damage against an armor type, adding 40% rending or brittleness will make it deal 42%. The difference is that Brittleness affects incoming attacks to a specific enemy, while Rending affects all of a character's outgoing attacks.

[candid flare]

It's a secret but you unlock space marines as a reward

[spare glen]

holy shill

[flat mist]

This is actually true bc I'm on the side of the heretics

Moebian implant

[verbal dew]

they've said nothing about increasing operator slots right? I'm gonna have to delete my male vet for scum in that case

[flat mist]

Like mumma rinda has

[novel oracle]

piss yourself

[vernal sluice]

Um frip frop will post a youtube short for each of the personalities in the coming days, like he did with arbites

[livid raven]

am i right in thinking the 20% ammo talent is kinda broken and will be nerfed to hell eventually

[hot nexus]

Probably needs a lower breakpoint

[flat mist]

Yes broken no to nerf

[patent bone]

He has one for the Outlaw already

[spare glen]

weird request also no

[hot nexus]

Like 10%

[vernal sluice]

Depends on how effective the softcap will be

[patent bone]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bRRl_DAtwzE?si=p7eJ6fkA2hXYhK0O

[livid raven]

what do you mean softcap

[vernal sluice]

After first 20 seconds the ability extension amount craters

[candid flare]

Is every interaction with scummer meant to be funny?

[hot nexus]

Yes

[livid raven]

i think we are talking about a different ability

[novel oracle]

that is
not what theyre talking about

[candid flare]

Diminishing returns, the almighty equalizer and abuse preventer

How I love thee

And Hate thee

[rapid fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[vernal sluice]

Oops my bad

[patent bone]

Infinite ammo time

[hot nexus]

Just make it so that at 19% ammo with pickpocket only restores up to 1%

[livid raven]

isn't that what happens

the description says it refills your ammo to 20% of your total

[vernal sluice]

I believe pickpocket will turn up fine though, it feels like a fairly small margin of error for most players

[livid raven]

is it

that's like 100 ammo for rifles

[hot nexus]

I am so lost about it

Is that how it actually works?

[livid raven]

from what i'm reading, it appears to be

[vernal sluice]

Yeah I believe so but I'd have to wait and see it in action

[verbal dew]

the + makes no sense

typical FS wording

[flat mist]

Bruh if you're on your last clip you get a whole new one and more for a bunch of weapons

[novel oracle]

small margin of error

[livid raven]

i hate discord's embedded videoplayer so much

[hot nexus]

I thought if you kill an elite while below 20% ammo you get 20% ammo back

So 19+20

[rapid mango]

it puts you at 20%

[verbal dew]

I saw misterE use it on the needler, which is p smart when the dot only needs one or few hit really

[hot nexus]

Ah

[rapid mango]

so if you have none, stab an elite, boom, ammo

[oak rampart]

I haven't seen any streamer use the bone saw, anyone knows anything about it? (other than the available blessings you can see on gameslantern)

[flat mist]

And it's ammo RESERVE

[vernal sluice]

🤔

[rapid mango]

ye you still have to reload

[hallow raft]

https://youtu.be/3dvj3JIIxhI

[flat mist]

No my point is it doesn't count your clip

[livid raven]

miniscule even

[hot nexus]

Yellow mode is horde clear chemtoxin mode, Purple mode is anti armor brittleness mode

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/ljNHNCo0gqE?si=uzWrKBPG7SlQjBgc&t=715

[rapid mango]

still a lot of ammo regardless of which gun if you use it right

[compact oyster]

EXPLOSIVES SOLVE EVERYTHING

[rapid mango]

theres elites galore everywhere

[flat mist]

Ugh what I'm saying is that it's even better than people think, not worse...

[rapid mango]

its vets ammo aura on fucking steroids for you

[digital elbow]

Are the buff nodes on the stimm stacked on top of one another?

[verbal dew]

im debating if I wanna get deluxe or not, no one has showcased the weapon skins right?

[novel oracle]

i can boot up the game and show you

[digital elbow]

Havoc 40 enough said

[rapid mango]

auric HISTG enough said

that will be plenty right there

h40 even more reliable

[vernal sluice]

Okay point taken

[verbal dew]

that'd be great, just compared to reg/branx

[digital elbow]

I mean you do get customisation for the character creation as well

[novel oracle]

god
it should have been a subnode of vultures mark, only proc on max stacks, and either have an ICD or consume all stacks when its conditions are met for it to trigger

[vernal sluice]

This is kinda overkill

[novel oracle]

fucking kill myself dude

[hardy spruce]

is there a showcase of penance cosmetics anywhere

[novel oracle]

so it has higher conditions and is a keystone lockout

[verbal dew]

I'm not really interested in the hair or clothes that much

[hot nexus]

I mean, I believe the cartel special is additive with each other

[verbal dew]

I don't have any connection to the character it's based on

[novel oracle]

do you want me to just send screenshots or like share screen

[digital elbow]

Tats are included as well

[verbal dew]

whichever's easiest for you

[hot nexus]

I think the clothes look cool

[verbal dew]

I usually want to see them in 1st person so

[compact oyster]

COLE WE NEED HAVOC COSMETICS

[digital elbow]

Better deluxe than the arbites one for sure

[arctic imp]

So in order to benefit from dependency with a maxed out stim, you need sample collector? Because your stim won’t regen quick enough without it?

[flat mist]

It's donkey stronk

[hot nexus]

I want to make my scum look like the worlds least suspicious ganger

[flat mist]

No

[digital elbow]

Outlaw personality then

[young herald]

alternatively you can have your team inject you with stims they find, but yeah, broadly

[verbal dew]

you can run stim with less buffs for shorter regen time

[flat mist]

Max stim time is 75s. Stacks last for 90s unless you take the 4 stack node.

[digital elbow]

Basically an anti-hero situation

[vernal sluice]

Yeah sorry I'm still sleepy af and assumed it would just be survivalist++ or something

[left mirage]

how are people already playing this class though D:

[flat mist]

Thank you for apologising.

[digital elbow]

Playtest

[arctic imp]

But the stim regen doesn’t activate until your stim ends

[left mirage]

mmm

[novel oracle]

cuz im fucked up and evil

[compact oyster]

The purple goo is actualy the residue of your 5 month old sock

[young herald]

playtesters and content creators get access ahead of time to, well, test the play and creatre content

[left mirage]

i am envious

[flat mist]

True, my bad

[digital elbow]

Ammo regen perk will be nerfed on launch for sure

[arctic imp]

So 15 seconds. Effectively meaning the cooldown is 90

I wish that wasn’t the case

[vernal sluice]

Nothing I'm saying here is meant to be taken authoritatively though 😨

[hot nexus]

Sample collector provides the best value with a maxed out stim

[arctic imp]

But sample collector is necessary anyway. Nobody wants to wait 60+ seconds

[young herald]

necessary is a strong word

[young herald]

but yes, it's very good

[arctic imp]

It’s necessary for the way I want to play it

[hot nexus]

• with any weapons that apply toxin

[flat mist]

Everything I say is authoritative so we = balance

[vernal sluice]

Fuck yes
All is well in the world

[verbal dew]

crowbar looks v nice

[arctic imp]

I want to focus on toxins with a maxed out stim, if I need sample collector then so be it

[hot nexus]

You shouldn’t run into issues keeping dependency up

[mystic bolt]

Is there confirmation on other classes getting new weapons?

[flat mist]

Yes. We don't get any.

[flat mist]

They're actually taking some away I think

[arctic imp]

Yes

[arctic imp]

I love the way it sounds

Very air gun like

[verbal dew]

are the shanks a different model or is that just another mark

[candid flare]

I just wanna give heretics the Jason Todd Treatment with a crowbar

[digital elbow]

I have a question. Since there is a perk that regens the cooldown of the stimmpack when the custom one regens can you have 2 stimmpacks at the same time if you put one right when your custom stimm regens effectively nullifying the cooldown?

[vernal sluice]

Factual?

[verbal dew]

I haven't looked at them that much

[compact oyster]

I cant help myself the needler looks so much like a space blaster

[verbal dew]

ah ok

[arctic imp]

Yes? But i think that’s the least effective way to play it

You want to prolong how often you have your stim effect

[flat mist]

I already told you everything I say is authoritative pls have some R-E-S-P-E-C-T

[candid flare]

If ogryn don't get a 2h hammer I will riot

[vernal sluice]

Mb king mb 😭

[novel oracle]

yes but the first medpack wont have the stim effect

the 2nd one will cuz itll consume the stim

[arctic imp]

It does mean you want to bounce the cooldowns

Use stim first before ever using anything else so that way when it comes back, you get your medkit

[digital elbow]

You mean if you use the perk that imbues your custom stimm into it it eats it up when you do place it?

[novel oracle]

your stim is consumed when you use the medcrate while its ready

[digital elbow]

Bruh

[arctic imp]

Which is why you use it first

[novel oracle]

the stim?

or the crate

[arctic imp]

Wait you’re saying a medkit with no stim ready doesn’t have the stim effect? both have to be ready for it to work?

[novel oracle]

yes

[arctic imp]

Dude.

[novel oracle]

thats what i said

[arctic imp]

That’s….

[hot nexus]

Drop a strength and cooldown crate under the venting purgatus psyker

[livid raven]

that's ass

[arctic imp]

That’s ass.

Yes.

[flat mist]

Why tf is everyone so shook about this, ofc it uses your stim lmao

[novel oracle]

do i need to show you what the crate independent of stim can do

we had that

[arctic imp]

Because the medkit literally says it applies your stim effect, not that it uses it

[verbal dew]

but thank you @novel oracle, might consider it because of the skins

[novel oracle]

and it was removed

cuz fucking christ

[digital elbow]

It actually makes sense balance wise

[flat mist]

Everyone should know not to trust fatshark's descriptions

[fast gust]

Stims are not drugs, it's just highly compresed rashons

[last kelp]

I cant wait to kill some heretics with my fellow muckers

[rapid mango]

need stim for stim crate to work. world shocked at breaking news. next up: gas powered lawnmowers need fuel to function, more at 11

[hot nexus]

Ah, so there’s no way to separate map stims from the cartel special?

[arctic imp]

Ok but I can understand it balance wise actually.

It DOES mean the medkit by itself is fucking garbage. But you yourself will always be benefiting, so it’s whatever. But it’s dumb

[verbal dew]

"stimms dont waste em"

[flat mist]

I think you absolutely should post it again

[digital elbow]

Better nuncio aquilla

[hardy spruce]

spec it into fart bomb

[hot nexus]

Medkit is actually good for the booby trap

[hardy spruce]

and cd on steam cd

[steep robin]

how much HP and toughness on HIVEScum?

[arctic imp]

Oh that’s true good point

we love the booby trap

[steep robin]

I swear discord auto formats it

[digital elbow]

Wait can't you use the cd reduction on psyker to spam bubbles?

[novel oracle]

its not good by itself, but it still heals corruption up to a wound, and the subnode to esplode it

[hardy spruce]

15s cd fart bomb not counting stim cdr from dot kills

[novel oracle]

100 hp 75 tough

[steep robin]

damn

[rapid mango]

you could but its not usually necessary

[digital elbow]

Glass cannon

[hot nexus]

• you have the get crate back as soon as you get your stim sub node

[vernal sluice]

And least mitigation talents of any class right?

[steep robin]

that's surprising, but good

[rapid mango]

a shriek psyker would be the best use case, especially with rot being "fixed" (buffed), so now the only reliable way to kill them quickly is the inferno psyker

[hot nexus]

So you should be fine

[hardy spruce]

yeah but strongest mobility

[rapid fulcrum]

will it carry over wounds or is it just a wound at a time

[hardy spruce]

by far

[novel oracle]

it has the lowest value and lowest uptime ones

[novel oracle]

it stops at a wound

[verbal dew]

don't you mean 150

[novel oracle]

yeah im dumb

150 hp

its almost 5 am

[vernal sluice]

Gleeby

[compact oyster]

imagine you have a rare voiceline on maul where he goes on a 1 minute tangent naming all of the crimes a hive scum personality has done

[digital elbow]

Maybe use it on the relic zealot for infinite stunlock

[candid flare]

Midwest

[arctic imp]

Yeah that’s true. It does mean you can still get multiple tox explosions so I think i’m happy with this. It makes it feel mandatory though because occasionally you may stim yourself and your medkit is up, but it will feel useless if you haven’t taken the tox explosions

[rapid mango]

this would also work gloriously, ye, or a BTL arby to push a crowd back, VoC vet, etc etc

[flat mist]

You could use map stims to drop four+ teamwide stims simultaneously

[rapid mango]

or even a SF zealot for boss slaughter

[lost token]

Oh. How does Hyper-Critical really work?

[digital elbow]

Anarchist hive scum and maul arbites are two sides of the same coin. That'll be interesting to see

[rapid mango]

i heard the voices and im sadly stuck going with outlaw fem, dont like the other ones enough to listen to them all the time

[hot nexus]

tbh I would rather have the cartel special stim on crate builds

[rapid mango]

i dont mind her i just am sad i dont like any of the others

[flat mist]

You said 150 earlier mf

[lost token]

That's juicy on paper. Yeah.

[novel oracle]

i will say the crate branch is currently falling behind drastically because of the fix to that, and the full stim function of viscosity and the value changes it got
theres plenty of design issues with it right now, but id personally rather it be like this for a bit rather than how it was before which was literally earthshatteringly gamebreaking

[rapid mango]

was hoping it would be 3 hours of debating with myself and mental turmoil

[digital elbow]

I used to play a build with cd reduction BTL it was actually around 10 sec cooldown i used it as a mobility tool quite often

[verbal dew]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987 this has all info

[novel oracle]

i was already corrected lmfao

im tired

[patent bone]

Hope the penances for the cosmetics don't change. Tread Lightlies is def my gang. Three of them are desperado unlocks

[flat mist]

I was right for once kekw

[patent bone]

Four if you count the blinder

[flat mist]

Could've sworn I heard choco say 150

[verbal dew]

it's stated on all the resource sites as well

[hot nexus]

Though it seems like the strength + rending & cdr on ranged kill will be the meta in havoc for the cartel special

[last kelp]

I really wanna go The Show for the possible Slaanesh cult undertones, but Water Cartel gets purple drip...

[young herald]

it was 150 until the patch literally yesterday

[patent bone]

The Blue and Hazard stripes thoooo

[young herald]

so all the prerelease stuff people prepped says 150

[novel oracle]

no its still 150

[young herald]

oh is it?

[last kelp]

Purple tho

[patent bone]

Blue

[young herald]

huh, reg was saying it's 100 earlier I thought, good to know

[flat mist]

100 would be cooked

[vernal sluice]

Leantide!!!

[young herald]

oh wait i know what it was

havoc hp reduction

[last kelp]

Purple!

[rapid mango]

how fuckin fragile ill be in h40 dear lord

[novel oracle]

in havoc they have 98 hp

[young herald]

i'm up way too late

[patent bone]

BLUE!

[rapid mango]

LITERALLY dont get hit

[novel oracle]

wait thats not the right one

[last kelp]

PURPLE!

[novel oracle]

this one

[patent bone]

BLUE!

[flat mist]

Its too bad you can't even run a hp curio because +9 stam is meta for scum

[kind mist]

stam stacking is a meme

[last kelp]

Thats, it im starting a gang war.

[patent bone]

Holy shit

[fast gust]

Cole Taxe, really

[flat mist]

You're a meme

[hardy spruce]

taking damage is entirely optional

[patent bone]

You don't threaten me! I got stubs too!!

[kind mist]

I agree.

[rapid mango]

literally going to be the death of me as a bash and wacker

[fast gust]

The Chem-Emperor protect your finger and mouse Cole 🫡

[flat mist]

Goddamn how'd you wiggle out of that

[rapid mango]

i get hit enough as a psyker diving into the fray

[kind mist]

I wish Stam stack was as good as wound stack zealot.

[compact oyster]

hive scum is og psyker

very fragile but can dish out massive amounts of damage

[flat mist]

I just want 64% attack speed BRRRRRRRBBRRBRBRBBBRRBBBRRRRRR

[last kelp]

Yeah we'll see how smug you are mucker when I jam me shivs in your gums and leave you doornailed.

[vernal sluice]

A true gun wizard to boot

[novel oracle]

i still do a +3 on broker cuz im a creature of habit

and it does help that i tend to take that node every time

[rapid mango]

i mean there is a talent relating to spent/had stamina to increase power so

it COULD work

but they are so fragile....

[vast ferry]

9x stam sniper vet is a thing 👍

[rapid mango]

i love it

i like playing liabilities

[flat mist]

There's one relating to attack speed bruh

[raven matrix]

My only idea for my upcoming hiver name hives-cum

[flat mist]

Forget lame additive damage

[patent bone]

Only thing that's jamming is you in a coffin ya sump bather!

[kind mist]

All or nothing is actually really hard to keep up because base stam regen is so good.

[novel oracle]

.5s delay, 2 regen iirc

[patent bone]

Lore accurate

[novel oracle]

absolutely insane stats

[flat mist]

Makes that stam DR node pop

[last kelp]

Wouldnt step foot in a sump with leeches like you crawlin about!

[tepid cosmos]

Not beating the allegations lobbied against you

[novel oracle]

what fucking allegations

[patent bone]

Why not? Your gang is known for RUNNIN the sump!!

[arctic imp]

I now understand why you were saying cdr was pointless

[novel oracle]

but that also poses a design issue
whats the point of the other half of the talent

[tepid cosmos]

The you having autism ones

[flat mist]

Ok chat it was nice but you gotta stop talking or I'll stay up all night

[novel oracle]

it matters less on crate cuz youre hinging on stim
it matters less on the other two cuz half the time its not even applicable

[arctic imp]

Right

[flat mist]

A largely irrelevant trade-off. The balance is skewed but I like the concept.

[last kelp]

Kark the sump, I'm just in it for the uniform, and benefits. We get good dental.

[novel oracle]

but it makes no sense

this is the one class where that talent makes no fucking sense

[flat mist]

YEAH BOI THATS WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT

[arctic imp]

What is your ideal stim then? I mean there really isn’t a choice I suppose if cdr is that weak. You either want some more tankiness or to go full dmg with attack speed

[flat mist]

Let's goooo

[patent bone]

We get FULL coverage. AND gunslinging

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/techpriest-admech-mechanicus-adeptus-mechanicus-hadron-darktide-gif-13146607017756268721

[novel oracle]

sure its better on this class to keep it capped out cuz of dr

but WHY IS IT ON THIS CLASS TO BEGIN WITH

WHEN IT CANT BE UTILIZED LIKE IT SAYS

[compact oyster]

hive city brawler is just free DR

[flat mist]

@rapid mango add the 10% stam on dodge and scum EE too lel

[flat mist]

You're right pls give it to psyker

Scum can have warp rider

[novel oracle]

it would be best on an aggressive class that can maintain the low stamina easily

[arctic imp]

@novel oracle what do you imagine a change to the crate branch would be like for it to be better? What’s exactly the problem? The fact that the crate itself doesn’t do much?

[novel oracle]

the problem is chem dependency

[arctic imp]

it doesn’t proc if you use the medkit?

[novel oracle]

we proposed it as stim cdr, with the subnodes being buffs and drawbacks scaling per stack that you can pick and choose

[flat mist]

My stamina is always empty af on meleeker because I'm bad

[fast gust]

B-but, that's lore accurate!

🗣️

[patent bone]

My brain is too small for all this stats talk
Which explains why I don't do Havoc

[last kelp]

Yeah wait I thought chem dependancy was supposed to decrease your stim cooldown not ability

[fast gust]

I mean you shouldn't do chems and look at the hivescum

[novel oracle]

but it doesnt

cuz thats not what the put it as

[last kelp]

Why they change it tho

[novel oracle]

the took the idea and put ability cooldown reduction (not regen btw) on it

[arctic imp]

But if sample collector exists, what’s so wrong with chemical dependency? You’re saying it being solely focused on cdr is dumb?

[novel oracle]

they didnt change it, it never was implemented as stim cdr, that was just what we proposed

[flat mist]

It's so weird that it's not regen

[novel oracle]

and this is what they did with it

[flat mist]

Just feels wrong for an active buff

[tepid cosmos]

It was meant to be on the new ogryn personality

[last kelp]

I swear thats what it was described as doing in one of the dev blogs

[novel oracle]

While the Stimm Lab allows you to craft the perfect Stimm to suit your playstyle, the more potent Cartel Special Stimms have a longer cooldown. This Keystone is not so much about the perfect Stimm, but about taking as many Stimms as you can, as fast as you can!

With this Keystone, using a Stimm (Cartel Special or otherwise) grants a stack of Dependency for a long duration. Each stack grants Ability Cooldown Reduction, up to a limit.

[arctic imp]

I understand now, you’re upset that it’s cooldown focused for abilities when hive scum don’t really need any of that.

I wonder if hoping for a fix is too far fetched.

[last kelp]

Oh okay i was just misremembering, my bad mucker

[novel oracle]

its the keystone thats supposed to play the best with the crate, but in reality it plays the worst with it, even excluding the current bug where crates consuming stims dont give you a stack

[arctic imp]

That’s so fucking bad

None of it synergizes in that case

[novel oracle]

that last part is supposed to be fixed at or shortly after launch tho

but still

[rapid mango]

its also weird

because

theres a ability CDR path in the stim lab

so if you want cdr skip dependancy and just throw a few nodes into your stim mix

[flat mist]

Still going for the chem dependency rampage pipedream

Lmao I'm just fucking scriersmaxxing on a new class aren't I

[arctic imp]

But you don’t even need the cdr from that because when your stim is ready so is your medkit, in the case of medkit it makes even less sense

Yes

[patent bone]

I just wanna dual wield

Dual wield and make dumb as hell stimms

[hardy spruce]

@novel oracle hi do you know if stim goes on cd as soon as you use it or does the effect need to run out first

[rapid mango]

we need an FAQ

[novel oracle]

needs to run out first

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[arctic imp]

meow

[hardy spruce]

fuck......................................................................................................................

what if i pop a cdr stim with kalma v
does it instantly go on cd

[novel oracle]

which is what i do

for both melee and ranged

[compact oyster]

i believe the stim is active for 15 seconds

[hardy spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-scratching-head-gif-4604657710219044245

[fast gust]

But shortly after launch like solo mode or shortly after launch like the arbi rebalance?

[hardy spruce]

oh it's not instant cd

fuck

[novel oracle]

just forgo most of the stim buffs and just pump it full of cdr
then use it once focus mode or punk rage ends
and that way i can keep the other keystone buffs active at all times, vs running chem dep and having stim buffs fade in and out, and needing to use them even if i dont need to jsut to keep chem dep up

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-storm-scream-monkey-scream-flying-monkey-gif-3986330502538701283

[patent bone]

Are there other ways of sharing ammo besides the ammunition crate?

[livid raven]

the stim cdr stuff refers to ability cdr right?

[compact oyster]

id say the left aura

[patent bone]

Sorry if dumb question, I haven't played in forever

[patent bone]

The Gunslinger build?

[compact oyster]

10% of an ammo kit is shared between teammates

[patent bone]

Oh sick

[livid raven]

yeah 10% of any ammo pickups

[compact oyster]

so like epic noob said a havoc 40 ammo crate gives you 70% of your ammo back

[patent bone]

Oh alright, because one of the penances is to share 3500 ammunition using gunslinger

Hopefully that won't be too difficult

[rapid mango]

find reconlas veterans/psykers, ogryns with stubbers, it'll be pretty easy

tho tbh reconlas psykers are usually more conservative with ammo

[vernal sluice]

I think it might be one of the easiest

you just get it by playing the game like you get the scavenger aura penance on a brand new vet

[patent bone]

Hopefully. The pants it unlocks looks smexy

[rapid mango]

it definitely wont be a slog

especially if you make sure you have it during the leveling up / climb to auric process

malice/heresy has a TON of mag dumpers usually

[patent bone]

The other two I'm aiming for should be easy enough: Blinding 3 enemies 50 times with a blinder, kill 1000 while desperado is active, dodge 450 time while desperado is active

[rapid mango]

in auric you'd probably find more ammo conscious folk more frequently

[patent bone]

Ye I'm one of em lol

[rapid mango]

youre definitely gonna be

[vernal sluice]

all of these sound like they'll be easy and fast to get

[livid raven]

the devious gunlugger ogryn:

[patent bone]

Oh yeah, it'll be easy

[hardy spruce]

what's the fastest carapace clear on hscum btw
cleaver? shivs?

[echo python]

Needler maybe

[fast gust]

Rocket blitz

Then needler

Then crowbar, then dual stub

[rapid mango]

didnt take long for the dual stub to kill the auric crusher tho so pocket rocket is probably closeish to a krak

[vernal sluice]

god the fucking akimbo 1911s

[abstract lichen]

with Hscum ranged ability being a thing, will they buff exe stance on vet to be better

[vernal sluice]

can't wait to see a darktide equivalent of this

[novel oracle]

Saw

[hardy spruce]

if anyhting should be getting buffed it's the ogryn's right ability

and lucky bullet getting removed from the game

[patent bone]

The emperors favorite sidearm

[vernal sluice]

Exe stance is already good wdym

[abstract lichen]

Can vets have a stacking damage buff on killing marked targets too

[patent bone]

Vets exec stance is fantastic already

[patent bone]

I believe so

[dim moth]

close enough

[abstract lichen]

[patent bone]

Alright you sexy Muckers, I'm off to sleep. Gnight yall

[grand jewel]

no

awaken

[livid raven]

the ability marks every enemy in close range right?

or only some?

[grand jewel]

I imagine EO style, will eventually mark every enemy

[rapid mango]

need dd to do that

[glad latch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a078ffe0-9adc-440a-ba98-d1cf268666fa/stimm-zerker

First try at making a Hivescum build, focuses on melee damage, crazy attack speed and chems/stims.

idk how well it'll do in a real game, but on paper seems like it could be pretty fun and strong.

[novel oracle]

Every enemy in close range
If they leave that range, they're unmarked

[livid raven]

crazy

[grand jewel]

truth

oh thats wild

[rapid mango]

an actual indicator for close range kills!?

[grand jewel]

last line is literally just the class

[glad latch]

I guess

[abstract lichen]

Also you just gain ranged dodge for the entire duration

Because

[novel oracle]

@livid raven is the player still not working for you
Cuz this is what it looks like

[livid raven]

yeah it did work, after like 30 seconds

looks pretty easy to mantain to me

[lean forge]

ELLO MY BROTHERS IN GANG

[novel oracle]

It lasts 10s and after extending it for 10s, it as a steep drop in how much each kill restores to where its near impossible to maintain

[grand jewel]

BRI'ISH inquisition

[grand jewel]

imagine if there is a penance for keeping it up for 30s

[livid raven]

they made gunlugger but good

[grand jewel]

being able to extend PBB would be hilarious

[dim moth]

gunlugger is good they just don't have ammo sustain

[livid raven]

also you kinda dropped that crusher pretty fast for a ranged weapon (which i presume should suck balls against carapace)

[novel oracle]

Non rumbler gunlugger

[dim moth]

unless your name is rumbler

[glad latch]

Yeah.

[dim moth]

back off should be reworked into something that makes magdumping more ammo efficient instead of infinite ammo for rumbler

[novel oracle]

High crit chance with long crit chains and a good crit boost, and 15% rending from desperado

[grand jewel]

what vidyo do you speak of?

[dim moth]

The Infantry Autogun solution

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1444257838028427426/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-11-29_3-02-38_AM.mp4?ex=692c0d6d&is=692abbed&hm=deaba0c3583686d8dda0e3aa96b60659407ef37d321816822d4d807cf7b290cc&

[kind mist]

The big secret is the rifles are much better than the pistols

[abstract lichen]

Are the trickshots from the .45 automatics worth remembering to press

[grand jewel]

loot

[kind mist]

but pistols are fun

[hardy spruce]

does this clip have the bugged reload speed orrr

[novel oracle]

30% from talents
50% from speedload

[grand jewel]

me when it doesn't play

time to download malware

[abstract lichen]

"I need ammo!"

[hardy spruce]

ok so the people that mentioned that were playing on an outdated media build

makes sense

[novel oracle]

What about it

[grand jewel]

they don't use ammo from reloads in their ranged stance lol

[hardy spruce]

i think it was in ryken's vid

[glad latch]

FS should give lugger some sustain. Like have Ogryn shoot for free while using lugger ult and if you also have lucky bullet trigger during the ult instead of shooting for free it adds some ammo back into your reserve. Would solve the luggers eating ammo like rations problem.

[novel oracle]

The fact that dual autos didnt get affected by reload speed?

[abstract lichen]

The whole part after they're still shooting

[hardy spruce]

yeah

[novel oracle]

That's fixed yea

[hardy spruce]

cool

[dim moth]

you have to make lugger have ammo sustain that doesn't benefit the rumbler

[kind mist]

I am triyng to get free reloads for ogryn during barrage

[glad latch]

Make it not affect Rumbler then, problem solved.

[dim moth]

if you just have infinite ammo in PBB you're just gonna spam rumbler

arbitrary exceptions like that are bad game design tho

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1444273842192388239/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_External_Testing_-_2025-11-29_4-27-56_AM.mp4?ex=692c1c55&is=692acad5&hm=2675468a8254bb81334be2a476320d5db24dafc4bf453db76552d739a9893c1a&

Its just
So goofy

[kind mist]

Rumbler can have the attack rate cut in huge

[hardy spruce]

make it scale off magsize

so like

[abstract lichen]

Just build in lucky ammo into pbb but only make it activate when your magazine is less than 100%

[glad latch]

Nah, it's worse to not allow a mechanic because of one thing that is broken.

[abstract lichen]

Solved

[hardy spruce]

rumbler gets 1 stack of something

[wanton prawn]

Make it so lucky bullet's chance scales higher the more bullets are in your mag.

Flavour it as Ogryn not doing good with high numbers, so tehy fudge the numbers.

[hardy spruce]

twin linked gets 100

[grand jewel]

god thats comical, so much brrrrt and you get like 2 magazines back from what I assume is the below 20% reserves elite kill puts you back up to 20%

thats hella cool

[novel oracle]

Well thats just desperado
The one below is the pickpocket talent

In desperado reloads dont consume ammo

[compact oyster]

the autopistols remind me so much of the trepang2 kris vector

[grand jewel]

nah its after desperado ended

[rapid mango]

civi mael go brr

i genuinely wanna play so badly lmao

[grand jewel]

loot

yeah the class looks good

can't wait to try min max the launcher to chunk bosses

for no good reason

[rapid mango]

im probably gonna mainly do blinders but we'll see

walls of gunners can be an issue and i dont like making the inferno feel they need to take bubble if we get gunner seeds

[grand jewel]

yeah blackouts seem a bit silly

[rapid mango]

or silo

fuck silo

[grand jewel]

do they auto detonate after a certain distance or only on impact?

cuz if its only impact thats strong too

[compact oyster]

blackout nades with pocket toxins for a pseudo chem bomb

[rapid mango]

either one is workable, id definitely prefer on impact rather than delay

[grand jewel]

the fact that a regenerating resource can knock a crusher on its ass is wild

[glad latch]

blackouts seem really useful, like throwing knives, but AoE chem bomb.

[rapid mango]

to be fair.... deimos isnt a regenerating resource no u right

but there is a lot that can knock crushers over

[grand jewel]

I don't know if it can ass blast more than one but its still strong

comes out mid combo too

[novel oracle]

Impact

[grand jewel]

[grand jewel]

are they throwing knife speed lol

[novel oracle]

Basically

[hardy spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[novel oracle]

But not a lot that broker has that can

[kind mist]

Flashbang knocking crushers over isn't likely to last.

[novel oracle]

Stagger is a rare commodity for this class

[rapid mango]

ye but every class has SOMETHING

[kind mist]

Crowbar will stunlock crushers easily.

[hardy spruce]

look inside

billhook

[dim moth]

and durability

but hey SPEED and INFINITE BULLETS

the only things you need to be god's strongest soldier

[hardy spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710505734282018889/1210829179927396412/2024-02-24_090209886.gif

[patent bone]

It's all you need

I can't sleep

[rapid mango]

psyker gameplay '

[grand jewel]

yeah its one of the things I expect to get nerfed seeing that off the bad, I would've accepted them not staggering crushers at all, but they stagger everything except bosses pretty damn well, if they atleast stopped an overhead that would be neat

[glad latch]

Can this clear fully purple wounds or is it like the zealot aura and can't?

[novel oracle]

Cant

[grand jewel]

[glad latch]

sad.

[patent bone]

Just don't get hit

[grand jewel]

still, 2 different sources of clearing corruption on the class is neat

[rapid mango]

so it doesnt even specify up to one wound?

[patent bone]

Do the dark souls tactic and dodge

[grand jewel]

stimm supply may let zealots actually take another aura

[rapid mango]

it just says, 50%

[grand jewel]

[compact oyster]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YEH87OsGTUA?si=xh7GxcohLV-FRfqX

[dim moth]

god knows why they're even taking it now

blight spreads isn't in havoc rotation currently

[rapid mango]

because rot

[kind mist]

There's a line between making ganger able to range spam as much as psyker and functionally limitless bullets.

[grand jewel]

scared of the corruptin

[dim moth]

yeah oh no the corruption

[grand jewel]

I dunno I don't play zealot

[glad latch]

I like the damage reduction aura more.

[dim moth]

they Might heal slightly less from a med kit that they might find and someone will maybe use

corruption scawy :(

[kind mist]

Every veteran should be taking improved medkits.

[grand jewel]

and if a vet has field improv their aura is just pointless lol

[rapid mango]

it can buy you more time if you get pox gassed

[dim moth]

kind of a bad talent tbh

but then your other 2 choices for getting through that part of the tree aren't stellar either

[grand jewel]

alot of people here are weird and hate utility, don't get them started

[dim moth]

It's like

[glad latch]

Yeah and It's easy to take it's in the middle lol

[rapid mango]

field improv great unless someone is grimoire hoarding, then they stand in the medipack circle and use the whole thing

[grand jewel]

random minecraft enchanting table

[rapid mango]

[dim moth]

You are investing a talent point into something that is theoretically useful 4 times

[novel oracle]

Whay

[dim moth]

In optimal scenarios

Serrated Blade is pretty decent and applies to literally every melee hit

[novel oracle]

And its right after melee speed

[dim moth]

Yeah

[leaden lark]

Stim cdr looks worse the more I think about it. Like, at BEST it's 15 seconds off of your ability. And you have to use it while the ability is on cooldown. The only reason I see to use it is for the crate ability

[grand jewel]

crate ability has a node that refreshes the ability if you get a stim from any source, just take 1 node in the stimm and have it every 15 seconds

[glad latch]

Well, I have had it work pretty well for me.

Only way they could improve it is if you started with a random med or ammo crate on first spawn which don't count towards the 4 that spawn in the map.

[compact oyster]

stim cdr is extremely good if your using a fully kitted stim

[leaden lark]

have what every 15 seconds?

[novel oracle]

But the non crate abilities are strong enough to justify that instead of the other buffs that comr less often

[dim moth]

Great ow the the talent that is maybe useful 4 times is now maybe useful 5 times

As opposed to Serrated Blade that doesn't have to gamble on crate spawns for value

[leaden lark]

They way I see it, you either take only cdr to get more ability, or you take everything but cdr to get a bigger and stronger ability

I see no reason to mix cdr with anything else

[grand jewel]

just spam med crates as bombs with the exploding node

[leaden lark]

genius idea

[kind mist]

yep, 1 point in all the sub nodes and you have a 7 stack tox nuke every 15 seconds.

[novel oracle]

7 toxin aint nothing to scoff at

[dim moth]

Yeah that was actually my first plan with it was to engage in maximum chem toxin spam

[leaden lark]

7 toxin is a lot

[dim moth]

Since obviously everybody is going to be trying GUN first

[grand jewel]

I am definitely going to try that lol, it just seems to funny

[leaden lark]

Just toxin bomb spam instead of supporting

[novel oracle]

You take huff n go to make it blow up in 5s

[grand jewel]

[novel oracle]

Ez

[grand jewel]

and then you have 4% strength permanently

lmao

[novel oracle]

Insane

[grand jewel]

crazy value

[dim moth]

yeah and take a deliberately shit stimm to be able to spam that sucker every 15 seconds

[leaden lark]

I'd take 25% weapons swap speed

[hardy spruce]

that's like a vet aura.........

[grand jewel]

spur 1 is prob better yeah

[grand jewel]

this with the little bit attack speed

[leaden lark]

yes

for the entire team

basically permanently

[glad latch]

serrated is pretty good choice, but I like the utility to help my allies get unfucked from corruption or refilled on nades in most builds.

[grand jewel]

silly goofy class

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-banging-gif-4595113817833787583

[dim moth]

the utility to sometimes do this

if crate RNG hasn't decided you're only getting those crates at the last area of the mission

Worst I've ever had it was there being THREE crates in the final room of Refinery Delta

[grand jewel]

[dim moth]

That value and utility is completely out of your control

[leaden lark]

btw, what's the difference between two different modes of the cleaver thingy?

[grand jewel]

[leaden lark]

Like, you can use special to wipe it and it like makes it a different color

and it stops applying the toxin dot

maybe

[dim moth]

And of course the actual situations for field improv's upsides mattering

[leaden lark]

what's the difference

[turbid fulcrum]

It's only an aesthetic choice

[dim moth]

someone needs to have corruption (but not a wound) for the medkit benefit to be more than saving a few seconds of standing around

[leaden lark]

what does the special do

[dim moth]

which is relatively unlikely outside of havocs

[turbid fulcrum]

changes the color

[toxic dagger]

Purple coating applies brittleness

Green coating is toxin

[leaden lark]

cool

[grand jewel]

can you pick which on the go?

or is it different cleavers

[toxic dagger]

Yes you switch with special

[dim moth]

and the ammo on means someone on the team needs to have a good reason to be spamming grenades right now, or you need to have someone who is not using one of the many regenerating ones

[leaden lark]

also, how does toxin work exactly, any info on that?

[grand jewel]

what the

[toxic dagger]

It's one cleaver

[rapid mango]

oooooo

[grand jewel]

[dim moth]

as grenade economy is well known to suck, and everybody runs regenerating nades because of it

[toxic dagger]

Like how the crowbar has two movesets and you switch with special

[rapid mango]

also oooo

[toxic dagger]

One moveset with wide swings and one moveset with sticky attacks using the beak

Think sm2 power sword

Stance switch

[dim moth]

that someone can be you since Kraks and Shredders are usually pretty universally useful

So the ammo crate benefit from it is a fair bit more reliable than the healing

[glad latch]

Well that's a game design issue, the regenerating grenades being on a lot of stuff now. They could always buff field improve to have another effect not related to crates so it does something all the time.

[grand jewel]

counterpoint, 5 ogryn bombs

[dim moth]

Just make it spawn an ammo crate for veteran out of thin air every 4 minutes or something

That'd be pretty amusing

[rapid mango]

ammo crate + oggy nuke genuinely saved a game once for me (was not the oggy)

[kind mist]

Regenerating stimm is an analogue to regenerating grenades, but stimm power isn't that high.

[livid raven]

me when i fart out a full ammo crate every 4 minutes

[glad latch]

Yeah, that works. Unlimited ammo for luggers basically lol.

[turbid fulcrum]

It actually feels like they're changing their design approach by putting what would be multiple marks before into a single weapon via the weapon special now

[rapid mango]

just, absolutely nuke spam

[dim moth]

They were scavenging bits to craft their lunchbox