hivescum-class

[glossy niche]

They're all jerks

[main minnow]

it's when he gets screwed that it's funny

[arctic imp]

Pre-order

I love to pre-order

[leaden lark]

who the fuck pre orders just because

[arctic imp]

Paying for things I won’t have yet is great

[rapid mango]

also he is a jerk as a front, seer doesnt actually believe its a dream they just wish it was, idk what savants thing is, i dont play savant

[main minnow]

anyways

hive scum idea

[glossy niche]

Savant is a former enforcer right?

[rapid mango]

ye

[main minnow]

set it up so your stim supply recharges slightly faster than your stim does

so you can throw one out

[leaden lark]

I find pre-ordering things for 0 reason moronic. Like, you don't even get a bonus, why are you spending money on literally nothing?

[main minnow]

then immediately throw the other out when it resets

[glossy niche]

I heard there's a scottish hive scum

[leaden lark]

At least if there was a pre order bonus, I might get that

[unkempt tide]

outlaw

[latent belfry]

I'm scummin

[unkempt tide]

I think?

[latent belfry]

Are you?

[limber cradle]

I think outlaw is scottish

[glossy niche]

Don't preorder things chat

[arctic imp]

I want it immediately. I know I want it. I know I won’t change my mind. I might as well see where I stand after I spend the money now rather than later

[unkempt tide]

Gonna name him Fat Bastard

https://tenor.com/27Qrfpwqyv.gif

[arctic imp]

I want this class more than arbites and I was pretty excited for arbites

[leaden lark]

pre-ordering does not give it to you immideately

You get it at the exact time everyone else does

[arctic imp]

I mean when it’s out

I don’t want to buy it that day

[glossy niche]

Buying it when it's out also gives it to you then lol

[arctic imp]

Exactly

[rapid mango]

put in card info now, or later when i wanna just dive right in

[arctic imp]

But I’d rather do it now

So i don’t have to do it then

[rapid mango]

i dont preorder but i kinda get it

[leaden lark]

people have 0 appreciation for real money

[arctic imp]

It isn’t real

It’s all digital

I don’t carry cash

[latent belfry]

I must acquire moner,,,,, I wanted to buy rimworld too, sad

[glossy niche]

It's as real as paper money lol

[rapid mango]

if its money youre spending anyway... how is it not appreciation to get it done early?

[leaden lark]

cash is also not real money, we just think it's worth something and all agree on that

[arctic imp]

Exactly

[leaden lark]

None of the money is real

[arctic imp]

So can i have it for free

Is that what you’re saying

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm fundamentally opposed to pre-orders

[glossy niche]

No

[leaden lark]

bro

[near mauve]

We getting philosophical in here

[abstract lichen]

what is this conversation

[leaden lark]

No, it's economical

[near mauve]

Invest in gold gang

[abstract lichen]

money isnt money

[arctic imp]

I just want to stim

[main minnow]

no one point to when the consumer price index blew up

[arctic imp]

Why do i have to pay for that

[main minnow]

and what else happened at the same time

[leaden lark]

cash is worth jackshit, we just agree that it's worth something for convinience

[rapid mango]

shiny rocks are all that matters

[arctic imp]

You’re telling me everyone else can pick up random stims and i have to pay for it

[limber cradle]

Legser is right, paper money exists so you don't have to carry gold around, not that the gold standard really exists anymore.

[glossy niche]

Both paper and digital money have an accepted value to vendors

[main minnow]

tbf gold only has value because we agree it has value

like,

[glossy niche]

Gold was only really used because there was a limited amount of it anyway

[leaden lark]

there's no difference if money is a piece of paper or a drawing on your screen, both are near 0 value, we just all collectively agree that they do, that's how money works

[latent belfry]

Us dollar is fiat which means 1 USD is worth 1 USD

[main minnow]

are you really gonna valuing it for its acid resistant properties?

[latent belfry]

Whatever the fuck that may be

[main minnow]

And the difference if it's a funny rock?

[limber cradle]

I value it for the shiny crown I can make out of it

[unkempt tide]

how tf did we start talking about this

[leaden lark]

We used to agree that funny rocks were valuable

[near mauve]

Gold is goated cause it's undefeated in retaining value

[leaden lark]

But it was really fucking inconvinient to carry literal rocks as exchange currency

[rapid mango]

someone mentioned preordering and someone else said it was a lack of appreciation for money?

now we're on how money is a social construct

[leaden lark]

So we turned rocks into lightweight paper

[arctic imp]

I am only against preorders if the release date is very far away and not tangible. I have seen hive scum, I have build crafted for it, I think about it all the time, I’m not changing my mind. Let me buy now

[latent belfry]

Money is a social construct to be totally fair, it's given importance by the omnipresence of the market economy that drives most of da world

[near mauve]

Pre ordering is ok if you the studio is goated and will deliver that's being said the only reason to ore order nowadays is preloading lol

[leaden lark]

fatshark is not goated

[arctic imp]

I disagree

[leaden lark]

Fatshark is very much known to fumble every single thing they release

[arctic imp]

Hence why i want preorder

[leaden lark]

And then fix it later to make it goated

[arctic imp]

Arbites was goated

[near mauve]

Never said they are

[glossy niche]

Most companies never get to the fix it later part

[leaden lark]

at least fatshark do

[glossy niche]

They're better than most for that reason

[near mauve]

It should never be broken in the first place

Lmao

[limber cradle]

You can buy a fatshark release 3 years late and only miss the bad part tbh

[near mauve]

Fatshark blew their day 1 sales and never recovered

[rapid mango]

yeah but also have you SEEN their code? im not surprised when things are broken

[near mauve]

The numbers don't lie

[glossy niche]

Tbf I don't remember day 1 darktide being buggy, just lacking content

[latent belfry]

Honestly I feel like we as gamers have come to accept too little from companies

It used to be that they would release a game

Just

[rapid mango]

ooh me! i did that!

[latent belfry]

The whole game

And it was complete and balanced

[leaden lark]

day 1 darktide was dogshit, it was basically unplayable for me with their optimization

[latent belfry]

Now they release part of a game

[leaden lark]

I had to wait for like a year to play it

[near mauve]

I wasn't there for it but didn't the game literally launch unfinished with no crafting, little content and billion performance issues?

[leaden lark]

And not have 30 fps

[latent belfry]

And build on part of the game until they have a whole game

[near mauve]

Moms spaghetti code

[glossy niche]

I played it when it launched I didn't remmeber the performance being too bad

[leaden lark]

oh, but I do

Because I didn't play it for a year waiting for performance fixes

[near mauve]

Thank god I only got it during unlock and loaded

No crafting would have killed it

[leaden lark]

I played the closed beta

[near mauve]

Death to rng

[leaden lark]

It was even worse then

[near mauve]

You hear that from soft

[rapid mango]

they flat out forgot to add an exception for Psykers "crystalline will" to not corrupt you if you saved yourself from overloading with shriek or scriers

[leaden lark]

but not much changed between closed beta and release

[rapid mango]

in the recent big update

[leaden lark]

they forget a lot of things

[limber cradle]

This means nothing to you? You don't recognize it?

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[leaden lark]

I don't think it's that big of a deal

[rapid mango]

no, i wasnt here :p

[limber cradle]

Congrats man

[leaden lark]

I was here

except on psyker

[flat mist]

This is what we call late-stage capitalism

[leaden lark]

patch 13 was peak balancing

patch 13 might be the best version of darktide I ever played

[limber cradle]

I remember pre-ordering this and being in the discord with everyone else who did and the community collectively going "they ain't gonna fix this lol" in the pre release early access month

[near mauve]

I don't see how these old trees were any better than patch 13 trees outside of le hekkin power cream!!?

[leaden lark]

patch 13 had voidstrike meta

best patch ever

[tepid cosmos]

i was actually saying recently its nuts remembering this game is 3 years old

[leaden lark]

also zealot had iod mixer with heavy sword build

[rapid mango]

i joined post arby for real, but got the game a month or so before that update and played very very little

[leaden lark]

nowadays heavy sword feels unusable

[flat mist]

Was patch 13 the release of the expanded talent trees?

[leaden lark]

yes

patch 13 was so peak

[limber cradle]

Ye olde infinite dodges force sword and 7 charged swing power sword

[leaden lark]

YEEEEEES

[limber cradle]

Ye olde bull butcher

[leaden lark]

I also miss old surge

[flat mist]

Ye olde no one new about blaze trauma

[leaden lark]

New surge fucking sucks

[near mauve]

Heavy sword is funny because it demolishes everything that isn't carapace but people cope about it being ok against cara

[flat mist]

Took literal months for the community to figure that one out

[limber cradle]

I liked whatever the old psyker staff was that had infinite cleave on headshots or whatever it was

[rapid mango]

surge surge handles at least so it can still be used to some capacity in h40

[flat mist]

Pretty sure voidstrike was never infinite cleave

[leaden lark]

bring back old surge staff please

I MISS IT SO MUCH

[flat mist]

Man me too

It was so cool

[leaden lark]

It was like smite

[limber cradle]

Idk if it was actually infinite but it felt like it in the way plasma is "infinite"

[leaden lark]

but actually cool

and fun

[leaden lark]

plasma used to be dogshit

good days

[limber cradle]

Lmfao yeah it did

[flat mist]

I remember testing it back in the day and it could hit like 16-20 poxwalkers

[winged bay]

it wasn't cool or fun, it would also be complete trash now

it did like 250 damage

you would be like smite but worse

[flat mist]

It absolutely was cool and fun lmfao

[limber cradle]

I believe you tbh, I simply liked how it felt to use

[winged bay]

people just didn't know back then that it did no damage and there were barely any enemies

[limber cradle]

Ye olde days of XII vet

[leaden lark]

Exactly

[limber cradle]

"Vet has to kill the shooters guys"

[leaden lark]

There were barely any enemies

[limber cradle]

God that was a time period

[unborn glade]

we do a little trolling

[leaden lark]

So you could just use surge to wipe out every single shooter on the map

That's why it was cool

[winged bay]

regular shooters maybe

[leaden lark]

If you port old surge 1 to 1 into current darktide, it's gonna be worst weapon in the game

[near mauve]

Ok confused I hear people say that the density was waaaay lower but they also miss "infinite hordes"

[flat mist]

My brother in christ, things don't have to die quickly for them to die. That's not how time works.

[limber cradle]

The director used to be glitched and have like 2x the resources at some point

[leaden lark]

density of elites was much lower

[limber cradle]

And density of poxxies was much higher

[main minnow]

Not just density

length

[near mauve]

That sounds fun

[main minnow]

hordes used to go on for longer

still do in vermintide

[leaden lark]

Like, you would never see a wave of fucking 8 crushers

[flat mist]

I don't even notice hordes anymore most of the time

[limber cradle]

It was fuckin sick tbh, I miss those days sometimes

[leaden lark]

Seeing just a couple was a problem

[main minnow]

some of the maps with longer lines of sight

You could see hordes that went on for like

hang on

[limber cradle]

Hey do you guys remember when shooters could hit you through the floors in the shanty bit of hourglass?

[leaden lark]

Nowadays seeing a wave with 8 crsuhers, 5 bulwars and 12 maulers is normal

[near mauve]

Hordes in this game are kind of a none factor since every weapon can just cleave them all so that sounds cool

[winged bay]

Are you still talking about darktide, unless this was a specific patch while I was on a break, I can't recall that ever being the case

[limber cradle]

It would've been year one post 2 months of dogs

[leaden lark]

le focking powahcreep ruined everything

[near mauve]

She be creeping up my power till I scum

[winged bay]

the game was a snoozefest until maelstorms were implemented and then that got old after a while too

[flat mist]

Maelstrom*

[leaden lark]

hivescum is just honey

[limber cradle]

It defo predated maels iirc

[flat mist]

[flat mist]

Definitely

[limber cradle]

Idk, I know i took a long break about a year and a half into DT and it got fixed before then

[flat mist]

It was year one as you said

[limber cradle]

Regrettably I do not remember this game by patch, just by whatever goofy shit was going on at the time

[leaden lark]

I wish fatshark cared less about the community, they are clearly afraid to nerf litrally anything

[flat mist]

Do you mean more?

[leaden lark]

Like, Escape from Tarkov got released and got bombarded with negative reviews and Nikita Buyanov just said, it's sad to see negative reviews but we don't care, the servers are full everyone is playing. Doesn't matter, don't care

[near mauve]

I don't blame them they were getting review bombed after latest class rework that literally buffed everything still cause people thought some stuff got axed
They got review bombed cause new class isn't funny tech people
The community is filled with babies

[candid flare]

No they're just smart enough too see that nerfing is almost always thr worst possible option.

[limber cradle]

You a helldivers player?

[leaden lark]

It's literally not

If I was balancing the game, I would nerf literally almost everything including enemies

[drifting heron]

Insane take

[near mauve]

Yes nerfing game breaking shit is bad we should just make everything game breaking instead

[leaden lark]

The only reason they are not nerfing everything is the cry baby community

[limber cradle]

They nerfed PS from 7 swings to 3 and it was the end of the world lmfao

[drifting heron]

Helldivers and its consecquences

[limber cradle]

Things still the best melee weapon in the game

OGOG power sword genuinely was something else

S+ tier ass weapon

[leaden lark]

Their situation was not that nerf = bad. They are just morons who wave no idea how their own game is played

[near mauve]

Somehow tide games are built for people looking for a challenge but also attract people who go ape shit if the devs suggest changing anything

[flat mist]

Ok ok but back to important issues, how is kekw the right response to this. It's clearly a 💯 situation.

Sort your react games out

[leaden lark]

If I was at the head of balancing, you would be crying into the pillow for 3 days and nights nonstop

[limber cradle]

If i was head of balance firing a plasma m1 at 100 percent heat gen would not auto cool it and you would blow up

[leaden lark]

THAT TOO

BASED

[main minnow]

Can't find any good horde footage but like

[drifting heron]

Remove the animation too, just have it go off instantly

[main minnow]

vermintide hordes used to last over a minute of pressure

[limber cradle]

Lmfao honestly yeah

[drifting heron]

No "oh god oh fuck" animation

Instant death

[leaden lark]

you just go back to the title screen

[main minnow]

then you'd have time to push forward and do shit

[leaden lark]

And forced to make a new character

[candid flare]

Spent years playing Destiny. Everytime a piece of gear or skill interaction got "too much use" in bungies eyes theyd nerf it and that item or Interaction would entirely stop being used.
Over time it became clear to everyone except bungie that taking fun from good things doesn't suddenly make not good things fun.
Buffing underperformance over nerfing overperformance ALWAYS results in better sandbox for eveyone

[main minnow]

what if they just made venting/quelling cost actual hp like it used to?

[limber cradle]

Bro just wants to play Dark Heresy

[main minnow]

yeah that was the issue with helldivers

[limber cradle]

If i was head of balance psyker would be closer to Sienna

[main minnow]

they just nerfed shit in the most kneejerk stupid ways

[main minnow]

bro no

Do not bring fucking fire sword famished flame bullshit back

[limber cradle]

You will eat HP to Quell

[drifting heron]

If it was hp and not toughness than staff psyker just couldn't keep up in modern balance

[limber cradle]

Lmfao real

[candid flare]

"Lliterally"

[winged bay]

V2 hordes are only significant if you play a Send in the next wave deed

or modded obviously

[drifting heron]

Thats pickrate based balancing which is dumb

[main minnow]

The difference is if a horde got one lucky stab on you, you lost like 50 hp

[near mauve]

Brother all what they've been doing here is buffs and now the only way to challenge half decent players is to make the game unbearable cancer

[leaden lark]

The ideal path would be, nerf everything op because there's such a big gap between strongets and worst weapons it's unreal. The gap is unavoidable and good imo, there needs to be good and bad weapons. But none of the weapons need to be so bad it's basically unusable at auric level and none of the weapons need to be so good it two shots every single enemy you look at

[main minnow]

which is worth several times more effort to get back up

toughness is so easy to recharge in comparison it's unreal

[winged bay]

it's harder to get hit in dt but 3 poxwalker hits still delete you in havoc

like corrupt through your wounds and instakill

[candid flare]

If it's treated as a holy guide, yes. as a general indicator, very useful

[glossy niche]

Weapons just need to be fun to use in the roles they're designed for

[leaden lark]

The weapons are so strong now that the literally make enemies invulnerable

like, enemies in havoc can get 100% invulnerable now

that's just bullshit

[candid flare]

Any game you would be in charge of balancing would die so fast

[main minnow]

you take 1 hit in havoc how long does it take to recover the toughness?

[patent bone]

If there is, it'd be Hilarious

[leaden lark]

so not true, I would be the best

[main minnow]

other than zealot which was silly, everyone taking temp hp damage had to recover it slowly and painfully

that's the big difference

esp vs bosses

[winged bay]

no you could get temp hp back very fast with many builds

[main minnow]

I can literally just take a confident strikes knife and trade stabs with the twins until one of us dies

no dodging

[near mauve]

HD2 and it's consequences have been a disaster for PvE slop

[flat mist]

Your destiny reference is irrelevant because legser isn't talking about nerfing interactions (for the most part)

[winged bay]

like one swing with battlewizard

[leaden lark]

the only role you need right now is carapace killer

[flat mist]

It's about flattening the damage graph

[drifting heron]

"Slowly and painfully" brettshield stagger thp:

[leaden lark]

every other role is not that hard to fill

[patent bone]

I just wanna play my Hive Scum

[unkempt tide]

scum my hive

[patent bone]

I am scumming so hard rn

[main minnow]

IMO

[limber cradle]

Enforced by rot armor crusher packs

[leaden lark]

I'm talking about brining the power ceiling down, things need to be less powerful and there needs to be less reason to be so powerful

[main minnow]

make carapace enemies rarer

and make flak armor actually fucking mean something

flak armor rn is basically unarmored

[leaden lark]

true

[rapid mango]

id ask how long until people stop making that joke but i know itll never end

[flat mist]

Exactly

[main minnow]

I miss when stormvermin made you play different

because you either hit heads or swung a heavy or you aint doing shit

[leaden lark]

see

[near mauve]

Also Destiny 2 is a bad example cause it has pvp and pvp games always get pickrate balanced

[leaden lark]

I told you I would be goated at balancing

fatshark hire me

[flat mist]

Most importantly @leaden lark, remove purgatus from the game straight up

[leaden lark]

I'll agree for a can of mountain dew a month

[main minnow]

just nerf ot to flame staff

[flat mist]

Most boring fucking staff in the world

[leaden lark]

nah, I would just make blaze away like 1.5% per stack

[flat mist]

Just delete it

[leaden lark]

That's good enough

[main minnow]

purgatus is fine, it being so strong isn't

[flat mist]

No it's not fine

[main minnow]

also make quelling have consequences

that's the big thing

[flat mist]

Fucking kill it

[rapid mango]

its the uncanny interaction that really makes inferno strong

[flat mist]

I hate it so much

[leaden lark]

that's not fun

[flat mist]

How does anyone like playing it

[main minnow]

like,

[near mauve]

Damn bro drink some water

[patent bone]

Hey Hey people

[main minnow]

cost toughness or hp or something

[patent bone]

Jakka here

[leaden lark]

the issue is we literally have blaze trauma

[rapid mango]

and sadly, with rot being fixed, inferno is the ONLY way to deal with the huge rot crusher waves now

[flat mist]

Imagine expressing emotion, even performatively

[winged bay]

Uncanny is irrelevant, it's only meaningful very rarely

[leaden lark]

if you kill purg, NOTHING is gonna change

literally NOTHING

we will jsut start using blaze trauma

not purg

[winged bay]

(for purg)

[near mauve]

Always stay hydrated

[limber cradle]

Cause for some people it ain't about gameplay, just seeing the end screen ig

[main minnow]

Whic one's trauma again?

The ball or the lightning or

[candid flare]

So using underperfoming equipment still underperforms, and they stop playing. and using overperforming equipment niw underperforms and nobody has fun doing that either and they stop playing.
Congratulations you killed your game.

[flat mist]

Atleast that isn't as boring to play

[leaden lark]

the piss puddle one

[main minnow]

Oh

Conflag staff, got it

[rapid mango]

circle of barrel explosion

[leaden lark]

blue piss

[limber cradle]

I am very okay with that type of person simply leaving tbh.

[main minnow]

Conflag staff, got it

When are we getting beam staff lmao

[main minnow]

Aye

[leaden lark]

when are we getting any staff, lmao

I want a new staff

[flat mist]

You aren't using the word underperforming correctly. It's a relative term.

[leaden lark]

bro did not read what I said

[main minnow]

helldiver's mistake was having an armor system and screwing over every player weapon that stands a chance because the devs wanted you to suck and realize how shit super earth was and for the game not to be fun

[candid flare]

Irrelevant

[near mauve]

Almost like it's not black and white
No one's asking for everything to get gutted
This game just has loads of things that trivialize it and result in devs needing to implement absolute cancer mechanics to make the game challenging
Do u actually enjoy fighting 30 rotten stimmed healing crushers??

[leaden lark]

Please read this again

[main minnow]

easy is not fun

[dim moth]

Yeah Bungie was very reactive in their balancing it was kinda annoying

[main minnow]

why do you think everyone stopped playing sedition?

[leaden lark]

overperforming would still be overperfoming

[dim moth]

They never really changed the reasons why things were meta in endgame/pvp

They just nerfed whatever happened to be the most used example at the time

Not even necessarily the best options just whatever was used the most

[leaden lark]

underperforming would still be underperfoming, just less compared to op stuff

[rapid mango]

well i know at least one dev is a permasmyker in Malice, so, idk what they think

[leaden lark]

this statement just confirms you did not read a single thing I sent

[flat mist]

I want them to make psykers goat staff usable again... the columnus IAG

[candid flare]

And below is below especially compared to above.
What a nothing statement.

[leaden lark]

Again, the power ceiling needs to come down to reduce the power gap, overperforming would still be overperfoming, underperforming would still underperforming, but it would suck less compared to the op stuff

[near mauve]

Answer my question Habibi

[grave venture]

Habibi

[near mauve]

Do u enjoy the current state of havoc

[flat mist]

Using the word underperforming to describe everything in a set is a nothing statement

[candid flare]

How

[leaden lark]

You literally said that now overperfoming stuff also underperforms

are you reading?

That's not what I want

[dim moth]

yeah uh the point of balance is not to not have things over/underperform but for the gap between them to be smaller

[leaden lark]

And not what I said

[flat mist]

Because it's like dividing by zero. You get no result.

[candid flare]

Oh jfk you're just illiterate

I get it

[dim moth]

there's always going to be a best you can't have balance be perfect unless all weapons and stats are literally equal

[leaden lark]

even if you could, I think that would suck

Having all weapons be equal is boring

[candid flare]

I agree Nascar in videogames sucks

[flat mist]

Maybe there should only be one weapon

[dim moth]

tactical shooters usually do this via an economy or inequal map balancing

[flat mist]

Devils claw and lasguns only

[candid flare]

You can bring the ceiling down OR the floor up.
And universally bring the floor up has had better results

[flat mist]

Let's go

[leaden lark]

bringing the floor up so far has achieved absolotely nothing

[leaden lark]

dlcaws sucked and still sucks

heavy swords suck

iag are just forgotten

[dim moth]

dclaw and hsword are pretty okay if you can deal with crushers

[near mauve]

In darktide's case bringing the floor up any more is just bizarre it's astronomically fucking high

[dim moth]

or you're playing zealot

[flat mist]

It wouldn't suck if it was the only weapon

[leaden lark]

which was always the case

[dim moth]

IAG is a genuinely good weapon that gets a bad rap because content creators suck balls at using it

[rapid mango]

the fuck you mean iag forgotten

[leaden lark]

sorry

the laser gun

[candid flare]

So changing the UnDeRpErFoRmInG skill trees has done nothng?

[leaden lark]

how the fuck you you call them

[rapid mango]

lasguns, those yeah they are sad

[near mauve]

It made the game significantly easier

[leaden lark]

yes, because bad weapons still sucks and the good ones are even better, thus even further increasing the gap

If anything, it made things worse balance wise

[novel oracle]

the only place thats challenging is havoc now and thats because we have shit like rotten stims and purple which are just not fun to play

[flat mist]

If you don't think last patch made balance worse you're a moron, sorry

[novel oracle]

because they are designed with the peak power we have right now in mind, and attempt to challenge them

[dim moth]

stimms is ASS

[leaden lark]

holy fuck, even cole agrees

That means I am 100% right

[dim moth]

I like purple tho

[rapid mango]

rotten armour i liked as an event, as havoc not so much

[dim moth]

Or well I like it in theory I should say

[candid flare]

If you think the last patch didn't make balance better you're incompetent

I can do it too

0 basis

[near mauve]

I feel like bro doesn't really play the hard content and is just afraid of nerfs because destiny did it poorly

[flat mist]

Lmfao

[novel oracle]

are we talking about buffing more than nerfing balance

[dim moth]

In practice purple is just another thing to add to the big bucket of "reasons Stagger Immunity is a dogshit mechanic"

[glossy niche]

I'm trying to agree with you cornball

[novel oracle]

and how its a bad idea

[flat mist]

Weapons that were bad because they suffer against armour now do worse against armour. That's not zero basis. That's objective fact.

[novel oracle]

and will just turn this game into warframe and remove the fun melee combat from the equation

that tide games are known for

[leaden lark]

the other way, nerfing more without buffing to make peak power lower to stop bullshit like stims and rotten armor

[candid flare]

Yes that is definitely it.
Great internet arguing do you want a meme?

[limber cradle]

@novel oracle starts here i think

[novel oracle]

yeah

[abstract lichen]

have they even nerfed anything in the past year

[candid flare]

This is basis.
"You're dumb if you disgree" is not

[abstract lichen]

other than ogryn TDR

[near mauve]

I tried to argue in good faith and got ghosted so ragebait works

[flat mist]

No shit Sherlock, but you said that there was zero basis.

[candid flare]

No the fucking fuck you didnt

[leaden lark]

that's my whole point, the power gap between best and worst weapons needs to decrease by nerfing the best weapons and enemies. Therfore, op stuff is still op, bad stuff is slightly better

[dim moth]

Oh actually if you're talking about buffing underperformance resulting in a better sandbox let me hit you with one funny little example that I can distinctly remember doing the opposite

[near mauve]

Point out where I was arguing in bad faith previously

U have 2 minutes before I need to Head out

[dim moth]

when this fuck ass gun got buffed

the most boring goddamn raid dps in the world

[candid flare]

Yes. Because "You're dumb if you disagree" has zero basis."
Providing a basis does.

[novel oracle]

50% DAMAGE INCREASE

[dim moth]

Or you've never played Warlock in endgame PvE in Destiny 2

Or Titan

[leaden lark]

You're stupid if you disagree, I WIN

[novel oracle]

50

[dim moth]

And have not been subject to the "Play Well/Ward or get kicked"

[novel oracle]

PERCENT

INCREASE

[flat mist]

That's not what basis means in the context of arguments

[novel oracle]

the best example is reckoning actually

[dim moth]

I don't remember what that is

[near mauve]

Bros been arguing semantics for the past 15 minutes

[spark gyro]

You're stupid if you disagree

[novel oracle]

the reckoning was the pve activity in the season of gambit prime

[dim moth]

Oh right that one

[novel oracle]

it was designed with the usage of shield, well, and tether, all at the same time

it was one of the least fun modes to date

[dim moth]

yeah I remember

[novel oracle]

because you needed the right comp or you needed to be fucking gods

[flat mist]

Actually I'm stupid whether or not I disagree
got 'em

[dim moth]

I think I actually got through that by playing Arcstrider of all things

[novel oracle]

it fucking sucked dick

[candid flare]

Syas the people who have been argueing semantics this whole time.
This all started with me staying tax nodes are redundant and dumb. The reply was "it used to be worse so you shouldnt criticize anything about it now"
Hasn't been a single "good faoth" argument this whole time

[novel oracle]

i played so much of it cuz i grinded the title so i know that fact better than anyone

[limber cradle]

Dude just wants to argue I'm ngl

[leaden lark]

they are not redundant and are ok to have

They removed them only because there were too many of them

[dim moth]

I never went for title grinds but I was a raid sherpa for a few years xd

[leaden lark]

I remember people distinctly telling you that

[dim moth]

I've done a lot of D2 raiding

Especially Scourge of The Past

fuckin' banger raid

[flat mist]

I provided you with "basis" and you didn't even respond lmao

[limber cradle]

Why is it that everytime I hear about D2 it sounds like a nightmare

[candid flare]

Lmao no u didnt

[flat mist]

YOU SAID I DID

[candid flare]

Holy

Fucking

[flat mist]

#hivescum-class message

[candid flare]

Shit

[grave venture]

It is

Literal worst timeline for it

[near mauve]

No we said it used to be worse and explained why tax is ok and hardly matters since the power level is astronomically high atm and the only real challenge in the game is bad pubs or pure cancer modes

[dim moth]

Yeah very much a has-been game

[leaden lark]

Feels like you're arguing for no reason at this point just making shit up that we didn't say

[unkempt tide]

d2 is utter dogass rn

[rapid mango]

pretty good basis

[limber cradle]

I played D2 very briefly when Better Devils/Grav Lance was the pvp meta and never played it again tbh

[steel briar]

Anyone got the gang colors?

[dim moth]

I will say that Veteran and Zealot are kind of? exceptions to this

[limber cradle]

I think i had the best D2 experience here, personally

[candid flare]

Lmao you think mindlessly parroting fallacies is " explaining"

[steel briar]

I need to see the armor color differences

[dim moth]

Kraks being good is huge for weapons that can't kill armor

[flat mist]

All your basis are belong to us

[unkempt tide]

smokes better

smoke gang

[dim moth]

and Zealot getting more consistent damage instead of being wholly reliant on Duelist means they can brute force through armor with FOTF/Shroudfield much easier

[rapid mango]

zealot can 100% be exception if they're on SF but thats a single hit, with slight boost post SF, not ideal for a havoc

[limber cradle]

Tbh I think kraks are primarily good cause Havoc is spamming crushers rn

[near mauve]

How is any of this a fallacy it's literally something u can test IN GAME it's not quantum physics
You're just arguing to argue bro have a good day

[steel briar]

Train gang is red with black armor right?

[limber cradle]

If havoc wasn't crusher spam they'd probably be used less

[unkempt tide]

embrace FGS melee psyker

[dim moth]

no kraks are def good in aurics too

for removing bulwarks from the game

and they do good boss damage+stagger

[flat mist]

Melee psyker is being replaced

[limber cradle]

That's fair, do hate bulwarks

[candid flare]

Wild how that was posted AFTER the post with no basis that IS THE SPECIFIC ONE I REPLEID TO ABOUT NOT HAVING BASIS.
YOU ARE AWARE THAT TIME EXISTS RGHT

[steel briar]

Steel gang also got black armor but with blue?

[flat mist]

Hive scum fits melee psykers niche the most

[leaden lark]

lmao

[unkempt tide]

eh

[rapid mango]

flashbacks to the random vet who switched from krak to shredders for rot armour and refused to go to kraks

[steel briar]

Water Cartel silver metal armor with purple?

[unkempt tide]

idk about replaced

[dim moth]

Hive Scum is like almost tailor made for how I play the game xd

[steel briar]

Anyone?

[flat mist]

Nope sorry not allowed to meleeker anymore

[rapid mango]

luckily we had a very competent inferno psyker to deal with armour because that vet certianly wasnt

[steel briar]

[flat mist]

Meleeker = banned

[unkempt tide]

[dim moth]

I play super aggro executioner veteran and gun psyker primarily

[flat mist]

Yeah me too haha

[dim moth]

And then hive scum is both at the same time

[candid flare]

Like if you had included the what you said in the 2nd , in the 1st, I wouldn't have said no basis BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE HAD BASIS

[limber cradle]

The randoms you meet in tide games man

[flat mist]

I'm so excited

They saw what I wanted psyker to be capable of

[candid flare]

It's it theoretical physics

[flat mist]

And made it a class

[zenith fern]

I play aggro all the time, if i start to walk and see no enemies i die

[flat mist]

Still haven't responded to said basisis

[candid flare]

Just recognizing that baisc concept that before is BEFORE

[limber cradle]

Cause they have no response, if they did they would've have picked any other topic to argue about

Its semantics arguement time now

[rapid mango]

and yet you still say no basis was ever provided

[limber cradle]

Or whatever theoretical physics has to do with it

[near mauve]

She be scumming my stimm till I hive

[limber cradle]

Yuh

[candid flare]

Quote me.
One place AFTER that post where I said that the was no basis AFTER that post.

[unkempt tide]

zzzzzzzz

[candid flare]

Fuckhead

[unkempt tide]

get over it already

[near mauve]

Womp womp womp womp

[tepid cosmos]

would have been cool if the deluxe set got the big backpack

[candid flare]

Sounds like you can't because it's a lie

[unkempt tide]

the stimm vat

[rapid mango]

someones getting heated lmao

[flat mist]

Still haven't responded to my basedness

[leaden lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

[unkempt tide]

Im gonna scum

gently

[near mauve]

I need the entire fit

[candid flare]

YoU'rE aLoUd To Be WrOnG

[rapid mango]

the insults are surprisingly weaker than the arguments

[near mauve]

Bro just shut tf up

[flat mist]

Allowed*

[candid flare]

I did. Find it.

[near mauve]

Just go to DMS both of u

Or maybe get a room

[candid flare]

[flat mist]

Unbased

[tepid cosmos]

hoping this guy shows up in slop shop at some point

yes i am a licensed doctor stike team

[candid flare]

I thought this was scumchat

[leaden lark]

https://tenor.com/view/true-get-this-man-a-true-go-my-true-whatever-go-my-true-gif-16382191100563919909

[leaden lark]

no, this is hivescum

[candid flare]

Where am I gonna Scum if not with you degenerates?

[near mauve]

Spicy

[leaden lark]

https://tenor.com/view/honey-sweet-gif-4537976394583296259

[flat mist]

Actually yes let's talk about hive scum

[candid flare]

Yes let's. My only gripe is a pointless tax node.

[flat mist]

How can +9 stam NOT be meta

[leaden lark]

Gonna name my hivescum Honey

genius

[candid flare]

Was I correct in seeing the dual wield pistols has a 9mm semi auto mark?

[flat mist]

All that juicy attack speed

[candid flare]

Or was I seeing shit?

[rapid mango]

by not putting stam regen on it

[flat mist]

Mf you know I'm putting stam regen on it

[tepid cosmos]

the class already has extremely high stam regen

so i dont see you needing stam curios if im being honest

[rapid mango]

so does psyker, extra regen go brrrrr

[winged bay]

2/s

[zenith fern]

Theres no marks of the stubpistols

[flat mist]

Bro the stam curios and for having stam

They are for attack speed

[rapid mango]

i am genuinely curious how close to psyker's melee speed hive scum can get

[candid flare]

The fuck did I see then?
cosmetic or mod?

[rapid mango]

i'd be surprised if they can even get close

[zenith fern]

Theres mastery skins and the Deluxe ones

[rapid mango]

pleasantly surprised at that tho

[leaden lark]

no idea

maybe you're just high on stimms

[patent bone]

I NEED IT

[candid flare]

I swear they looked like basic bitch glocks

[flat mist]

... what? Psyker has shit melee speed

[rapid mango]

martyrdom hive scum but with stamina

[zenith fern]

they are normal guns

[flat mist]

We only have 10%

[zenith fern]

but fancy in 40k

[candid flare]

It was in a 15second short on my fyp and I can't find it

[dim moth]

exceed it with a single talent

[unkempt tide]

Psyker has the slowest AS

[rapid mango]

faster than mettle/sg ws / DD ?

[unkempt tide]

Lol

[leaden lark]

Psyker has 0 attack speed, what are you talking about

they have like one 10% talent

[unkempt tide]

Out of all classds

[leaden lark]

that's it

[zenith fern]

needler is so funky and i legit love the look

[flat mist]

None of those effect attack speed

[rapid mango]

sorry not attack speed

[patent bone]

Sponsored by DeWalt

[rapid mango]

like, zoom

be the first to the target

[leaden lark]

move speeed?

[rapid mango]

yes

[leaden lark]

lmao

[rapid mango]

thanks

[flat mist]

Ima crash out on you

[patent bone]

Agility?

[leaden lark]

zoom

[unkempt tide]

SG boutta get buffed with 10% AS

[patent bone]

He's gonna zoom

[rapid mango]

my brain is still waking up

[flat mist]

PLEASE

[unkempt tide]

Lol no

[patent bone]

Meanwhile I'm gonna scoom

[rapid mango]

my guy the only thing faster than a psyker on a knife is rinda seeing the inferno psyker i stg

[flat mist]

ONE LAST BUFF

[unkempt tide]

SG bloated af

[dim moth]

yeah sure why not

clearly it deserves it

[flat mist]

They can take the weakspot damage and TDR idc

[leaden lark]

psyker has a lot more zoom that scum

not even close

[rapid mango]

little sad

[candid flare]

Duplicating and drinking 800 skooma so I can jump over the imperial city

[flat mist]

Scum has dodge distance zoom though

[leaden lark]

the hobos have like 2 zoom talents, desperado gives 20% sprint speed, vultures mark gives another 15% zoom

[rapid mango]

also

[rapid mango]

unrelated to this msg , but, this gun?

[leaden lark]

also 10% zoom from stimm

https://i.vgy.me/wdQrBN.png

Insane stimm effect

[tepid cosmos]

kept killing myself cause of this lol

especially at the start of ascension riser

[candid flare]

This style but I swear they had 2 akimbo

[leaden lark]

that's just what the weapon is

no?

[candid flare]

Lmao I thought it was dual autos

[leaden lark]

ohh, right

the I will never buy it edition

[novel oracle]

true

[candid flare]

I kinds want the jacket

[novel oracle]

i also didnt buy it

[tepid cosmos]

fuck up

[flat mist]

Do you rate many of the blue nodes above chem dependance

[leaden lark]

took me a second

shut up

[tepid cosmos]

class is very bottom heavy

[candid flare]

Wait so is it a skin or its own weapon?

[tepid cosmos]

its evil

[leaden lark]

skin

[novel oracle]

explains why you like it

[lethal quartz]

same tbh

[candid flare]

Fuck

[tepid cosmos]

erm...

[flat mist]

Yeah that's immediately obvious

Broken shit above all the keystones

[leaden lark]

which class is top heavy?

wait, you talking about talents?

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/jellfyfish-cat-cat-squish-cat-cat-air-swim-the-humble-jellyfish-gif-14050969353383738771

[leaden lark]

deluxe edition is just skins, that's good

[rapid mango]

ye

[flat mist]

Everything reminds me of her

[leaden lark]

Just buy the hobo and you get everything

[novel oracle]

ill play 1 more game with reg then ill be able to be resident info goblin for the rest of the night

[leaden lark]

might as well start making an faq

[candid flare]

I agree. But I am the target audience.
I will 100% buy a bundle with 90% shit I'll never touch for the 10 I will

[leaden lark]

You're gonna get a lot of the same questions

[tepid cosmos]

hopefully it doesnt go as bad as us trying to explain stimm crate interactions earlier lol

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/sora-ai-ai-dog-sora-ai-dog-dog-ai-ai-gif-1966252135688010824

[novel oracle]

holy shit i was going insane

we said it like 10 times

[leaden lark]

what are the stimm crate interactions?

[leaden lark]

can you explain?

I missed it

[tepid cosmos]

look up our messages lol

i cant

too many times

[candid flare]

I don't wanna be that guy and ask you to repeat. Can you just ping me when it gets pinned?

[tepid cosmos]

just got cooked by a flamer i nhavoc while typing this im trolling

[leaden lark]

look up what

[novel oracle]

currently using a crate consumes a stim
rn it doesnt add a chem dep stack
it will by launch, or shortly after

[novel oracle]

point and laugh

[flat mist]

If you use your stim crate it DOES NOT consume your scum stim

Pretty sure that's what they said

[novel oracle]

yes it does

[flat mist]

[leaden lark]

I was expecting for it to be some bullshit, suprisingly easy to understand

[novel oracle]

it was changed to work properly yesterday morning

if you heard a youtuber say it does NOT consume the stim, they are saying outdated information

[candid flare]

I'm on ps5 and will not hesitate to stop mid horde to type something out on virtual keyboard if someone is being a turd

I type slow

[flat mist]

I'm just trolling to be absolutely clear

[leaden lark]

Yes it does and it's intended or yes it does and it's a glitch? Feels very much intended

[flat mist]

But I'm still commenting disinformation on every video, can't stop me

[leaden lark]

and I would expect it to be intended

[tepid cosmos]

evil

[leaden lark]

wouldn't make sense to use the crate and get a stim

[novel oracle]

the ppl who didnt understand were reiterating saying is it intended that chem dep should give a stack from crate using a stim

and asking it again and again

and we answered it every time

it should, it will be soon

and the message never got across

[candid flare]

OH YEAH.
the only legit thought I had on the class.
I feel exhaustion is going to be problematic

[novel oracle]

it is not

its hardly noticable

[flat mist]

How? Just dodge around for 7s

[leaden lark]

from just reading the talent it barely does anything

[candid flare]

Slayer didn't need a refractory period after slaying

[novel oracle]

hell this is the lightest version we've had

[flat mist]

Like you were doing anyway

[novel oracle]

the least punishing

[leaden lark]

and after looking at gameplay footage, it not noticable

[flat mist]

I'll have to go back and read this mess

[novel oracle]

the earliest version of the post punk rage debuff broke your kneecaps, shattered your angles, ripped off your arms, killed you, gouged out your eyes, killed you again, ruined your mortgage, destroyed your marriage, and then killed you a third time

[candid flare]

I get the feeling it will feel much worse than it looks. But am open (and hopeful) I will be wrong

[flat mist]

It's not really relevant, but I wonder if stam regen is applied multiplicatively or additively with exhaustion

[candid flare]

I still just can't help but compare to slayer in VT2 who didn't need a punishment

[leaden lark]

I predict additive

[flat mist]

Because it's laughably irrelevant if for some reason you decided to run max stam regen

[tepid cosmos]

very smol blood flows better

[flat mist]

Even more irrelevant than it already seems to be

[leaden lark]

slayer wasn't a drug addict tho

[versed spruce]

Maybe yours wasnt

Weak

[candid flare]

Can violence be considered a drug?

[leaden lark]

Khrone is just a drug dealer giving everyone an addiction confirmed

[zenith fern]

buy it and refund from steam

Keep the items

[flat mist]

Or is consideration just drugged up violence?

[uncut niche]

Is this thing even out yet?

[leaden lark]

He didn't buy it because he already has it

[flat mist]

Yes

[uncut niche]

Bruh

[tepid cosmos]

tuesday the embargo for it dropped last night though

[uncut niche]

I can’t get it until the 3rd of December

[zenith fern]

on launch

[flat mist]

Press download harder

[uncut niche]

The what

[leaden lark]

he's literally playing as the hive scum right now

this very second

[flat mist]

Got my needle equipped, veins throbbing

[tepid cosmos]

essentially the thing that allows NDA people to speak about it

[uncut niche]

No like I can’t even buy it

[candid flare]

Realized last week that my sister, who might know the name warhammer, but nothing else of it, has been collecting skulls for over 25 years.
She is a khorne worshipper.

[tepid cosmos]

and make videos etc etc

[uncut niche]

Ah

[flat mist]

I think your steam client is broken

Try reinstalling

[leaden lark]

try again

reinstall your windows

[tepid cosmos]

not beating the evil allegations

[flat mist]

There we go

[candid flare]

Okay but I swear I'm looking at it the semi auto akimbo is its own weapon sperate from the auto akimbo

A skin wouldn't change firerate

[leaden lark]

wdym

[rapid mango]

you gonna show?

[candid flare]

That'll get me on another list

[leaden lark]

akimbo autopistols

and you have akimbo notautopistols

neither have marks

gameslanterns also has all the weapons available

[candid flare]

Okay up until now nobody had confirmed they were two separate weapons. In fact when I directly asked someone said the opposite

Which is why I breifly thought I needed to buy the pack to get the "stub skin"

[patent bone]

Neither have marks, both are a lot of fun

[rapid mango]

hell of an impressive typo im ngl

[candid flare]

I type like a drunken chimp

[leaden lark]

I type better when I'm drunk

[candid flare]

Tiny hands + carpet tunnel + cracked as screen

[leaden lark]

damn

[candid flare]

And autocorrect hates me

[leaden lark]

funny typos at least

[rapid mango]

truly it was peak

[candid flare]

(Edited) should be my tag

You'll see it on almost everything I post

[stark otter]

38° fly

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gif-6854484037844207749

[candid flare]

Somebody call a doctor this fly is fucking siiiic

[turbid fulcrum]

Has anyone seen a video of someone using the ranged abililties with a shotty? I only see people using various full auto guns or the dualies.

[candid flare]

I wanna see slug shotty go brr

[rapid mango]

rocknroll_steve ⁽ᵉᵈⁱᵗᵉᵈ⁾

[stark otter]

Only time will tell

Maybe savour that combo and uhhhh

Be like uuuuuuhhhhh "this is me"

[peak skiff]

hive scum looks bad! where is skitarii!

[flat mist]

The cdr is like seers presence right?

[novel oracle]

HOLY SHIT KING OF DARKTIDE

[candid flare]

In line behind Space Dwarf.

[novel oracle]

you have no idea how many times i joked about this after reveal, before launch

OMG DOES THIS MEAN SKITARII NEW CLAS??????

[peak skiff]

yikes!

lol!

[zenith fern]

skitarri cancelled

[leaden lark]

Forgive me my leige

no skitarii yet

[peak skiff]

i am peaceful king do not worry! we will get skitari and space marine!

[candid flare]

Space Dwarf b4 Space Marine

[patent bone]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

[rapid mango]

im gonna use that image as my hive scum build image

[leaden lark]

actually we won't get space marine

[turbid fulcrum]

OMG this class is JUST like vet and zealot, where is my spess mahreen class?

[leaden lark]

it's basically confirmed at this point

[candid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-to-think-freedom-of-speech-talking-like-to-read-gif-12810409

[turbid fulcrum]

This is literally just a guy with a gun

[patent bone]

I wonder when we'll see all the cosmetics. I KNOW we missing some

[peak skiff]

i know it right! what the heck balls!

darktide better make it right@

[candid flare]

Should have gotten Dennis Leary for a voice for scummer

[patent bone]

We need the mask and vest

[rapid mango]

so much trolling i fucking love it

[turbid fulcrum]

The mask and vest are commodore shop slop, I'm sure of it

[patent bone]

It is what it is
Pulls out wallet

[zenith fern]

The left set is not a penance cosmetic

So is msot likely a premium one lol

[patent bone]

Pulls out someone else's wallet

[spark gyro]

More cosmetics then arb

[candid flare]

Skull mask = $$

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/borderlands-fortnite-borderlands-4-psycho-bandit-party-hips-gif-13442319618080146010

[candid flare]

Arb def getting suprise cosmetics on release

[zenith fern]

psycho cosplay gonna be real

[patent bone]

So true

But mine is gonna be blue

[spark gyro]

The only good looking skull design for face

[novel oracle]

THERES A SPAYCE MUREEN STATUE IN THE NEW MISSION!!!!

[patent bone]

I aim to get the entire sets for the Tread Lightlies

[turbid fulcrum]

The top is
https://youtu.be/0AgaTBQ0apg?t=889

[candid flare]

If you could just color your shit instead of not allowing it and claiming it's to sell cosmetics AND THEN ONLY OFFERING LIMITED COLORS so I CANT JUST BE A FUCKING DUDE WEARING GREEN it would be

[patent bone]

Darktide takes place in Warhammer 40!! Space Marine takes place in 40!! WHERE SPEHS MAHREENS?!?

[spark gyro]

Srry GWS said no

[patent bone]

Autistic noise

[novel oracle]

@tepid cosmos

something about this comment on my vid strikes me as very
uninformed

about needle pistols

[candid flare]

Like just pick one.
Let me choose my colors or fucking sell me green cosmetics. WHY DO NEITHER.

[tepid cosmos]

ye

krakduk actually had a good comment about this one second

[patent bone]

Probably think they shoot JUST needles and doesn't know what it does

[fast gust]

Fellow scum enjoyers

[patent bone]

Hey BigJ!

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/necromunda-escher-orlock-underhive-fight-gif-17427817

[patent bone]

Scummers patchie coming soon™

[novel oracle]

im not a 40k guy but i coulda sword that needle pistols can penetrate nearly any armor, carapace being no exception
and thus the toxin is injected directly into the flesh beneath the armor

its as if there was no armor at all

[tepid cosmos]

@novel oracle

[novel oracle]

because all of the damage, game wise, is from the toxin

[fast gust]

Nothing at all meme

[patent bone]

Not only that, but they also cause immense pain throughout the body when it hits skin

Iirc

[flat mist]

This would have a near permanent 50-60% TDR and partial DR

It’s probs garbo though

[candid flare]

Who uses the gun that injects miles of needle wire that thrashes about and then retracts again?

[patent bone]

Dark Eldar?

[novel oracle]

i think these 3 talents are mandatory imo

[candid flare]

Perfect tank build for reckless trash like myself

[patent bone]

I need to use this site

Build my desperado gunslinging rootin-tootin scummer

[tepid cosmos]

the top and bottoms are the mask is not

[flat mist]

Yeah those two toughness regen nodes seem sick

[tepid cosmos]

the top of the right set is most likely slop shop and the legs are from the deluxe set

[novel oracle]

this is what im using with the dual autos right now

[dim moth]

how come YOU get to be using it right now >:(

[patent bone]

Mind if I cop this?

[candid flare]

Is this interchangeable with the dual stubs?

[novel oracle]

also these two blessings

[tepid cosmos]

imagine having not played hive scum already lol

[flat mist]

Don't ever be afraid to jack someone's build

[frigid basalt]

they really just gave the crack head 2 m1911s

[tepid cosmos]

:3

[novel oracle]

probably

blessings for duals stubs are run n gun and speedload

[candid flare]

Dope

[frigid basalt]

and it's awesome

[candid flare]

Thanks

[novel oracle]

im not even joking btw

[patent bone]

No, I believe you

[novel oracle]

speedload can be swapped out for damage, but if youre going ranged heavy, the reload speed does wonders

but run n gun is non negotiable

[candid flare]

Generally in games akimbo weapons are balanced by slow af reloads. Speedload sounds like a given

[patent bone]

What does run n gun do again?

[novel oracle]

it also shortens downtime between kills during focus mode

[patent bone]

Haven't played in a long time

[frigid basalt]

when you say dual stubs are you saying the m1911 or the mac10

[novel oracle]

which is super important

[candid flare]

Good to know

[novel oracle]

cuz the more reloads you get, the more ammo you just

generate out of thin air

basically

[candid flare]

Semi auto

[patent bone]

M1911s

[novel oracle]

you dont wanna be spending half the ability reloading

[patent bone]

Autopistols are the mac10s

[dim moth]

yeah I figured I saw how slow the reload for them is by default in a few gameplay clips

[rapid mango]

is the campaign different at all or is it similar to arby, different cutscene intro then no cutscenes the rest of the campaign?

[frigid basalt]

Man, forget irl bolters

I want irl stub gun

[patent bone]

Probably similar. I do like the hive scum intro tho

[frigid basalt]

hopefully fire arms engineering will make it possible in the near future

[patent bone]

Probably more than the Arbites intro

[rapid mango]

so i'll probably run campaign then then go to krall to skip after the intro is over

[novel oracle]

just grabbed a clip of this build from the last auric no mans land i ran with reg and vamp like 20 min ago

[patent bone]

Can I join?🙏

[rapid mango]

yo that map looks sick

[candid flare]

Why does this make me think of hero shooter moba ADC characters?

[patent bone]

I love the open portion later in the level. Kriegsman bois definitely gonna be happy

[flat mist]

There we go. Insane toughness from melee kills\hits, toughness defender vs ranged plus safety net when broken. Strong T/DR. High CDR and stim CDR. And,most importantly, plenty of unga bunga.

[patent bone]

Our gangers gonna look like MOBA chars (We gonna see some Junkerqueens, Junrats, Jinxs)

[frigid basalt]

wtf

that shit belongs in mortis trials

[patent bone]

What kind of music you guys gonna be blasting when playing HS? I'm gonna play some Anger Foot OST

[spare glen]

your aim is kinda improving im impressed

[candid flare]

I can't listen to music I need audio cues or I die

[flat mist]

Bruhbhh

[patent bone]

Fair honestly

I'm listening to Hardstyle

[steel briar]

@patent bone anyone got the gang colors yet?

[patent bone]

Ye

[novel oracle]

playing darktide?

[flat mist]

Music and darktide don't mix

[patent bone]

Ye

[steel briar]

I need to know if Iron Warriors are black metal with red cloth drip?

[novel oracle]

i listen to my main playlist

[steel briar]

Can anyone confirm?

I meant train gang

[patent bone]

Iron Riders are the Red and Black bois

[steel briar]

Nice

Mad Max train

Black Market

[patent bone]

Taking it

[steel briar]

Suitable for Bounty Hunter

[frigid basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-king-coagulators-blood-b-positive-gif-7577904980282031635

[fast gust]

Powercreep my beloved
Next patchie gonna get crushers to 12k hp

[patent bone]

I'm going for Tread Lightlies for Blue and Hazard stripes

[flat mist]

@novel oracle does pocket toxin do much with chem grenade and have you tried a toxin build with pocket toxin + blackout?

[steel briar]

Tread Lightlies give me Iron Warriors vibes. Good based choice.

[patent bone]

Wolfer gonna get a fucking Migraine how four literal crackheads are killing his "eLiTe" army

[novel oracle]

not really
that ended up just being a pocket stand talent

it used to be 5

and fuck my life that was OP

[patent bone]

I mainly join them for the BLUE

[novel oracle]

i ran that in my melee havoc 40

[steel briar]

Plus you'r a shark, so it matches the colors.

[patent bone]

EXACTLY!!

Plus I like their vibe

[tranquil fjord]

does anyone know what the base cit chance of the dual pistols is

[flat mist]

Yeah I can see the combo popping off like crazy at higher stacks

[novel oracle]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5hCGbfTr3TXguDZ4Dey3Qv?si=63024720413d4fdf
https://open.spotify.com/track/3DUHdrocHF2Qlv7ckhmjJU?si=84c58d366c484723
https://open.spotify.com/track/7tDYki3HZMdmSZaXSIJxvf?si=27e13a5b9de04357
https://open.spotify.com/track/76Y7zlowwANR9HfRIOiDoc?si=a58186a217be4b02
https://open.spotify.com/track/7o73MjUNVKjBWu8hCUz6fL?si=f6466761ef064f85

[flat mist]

Wdym a pocket stand talent though

[steel briar]

Chromed up Cyber psychos

[patent bone]

Dude, you're fucking based

[patent bone]

FENT MAXING LIKE ST MESSELINA INTENDED!!

[novel oracle]

chem grenade caps at 6
so currently 2 blinders meet that, with no lingering aoe, but those regen after 40 cqc