hivescum-class

[compact oyster]

if you look well hive scum has really good anti armor

[novel oracle]

But if you just ignore those then yeah they cant

[compact oyster]

like insanely good

[drifting heron]

Shivs

[dapper prairie]

Two knives lol

[worn canopy]

Become elf slayer

[drifting heron]

They literally have dual daggers

[compact oyster]

the rocket launcher nukes anything

[tepid cosmos]

bone saw, shivs, crowbar and knife can all deal with carapace very well

[dapper prairie]

Welcome back shade

[safe dome]

i forgot uncanny exists lol nvm

[zealous ravine]

god i hope the new class is an admech imagine if it was a hive scum

[dapper prairie]

I saw h1 h2 dual daggers

[compact oyster]

crowbar pick mode is anti armor

[worn canopy]

Yeah but can it compare to oggy nukie nade?

[dapper prairie]

I was like nah they brought back shade

[drifting heron]

Its not even uncanny they just have good armor weapons

[tepid cosmos]

news to me /j

[compact oyster]

on havoc 40 it can almost barely not kill crushers

[compact oyster]

yip yap

[toxic dagger]

even without uncanny, needle pistol toxin, bonesaw brittleness coating and crowbar beak mode are all anti-armor

[tepid cosmos]

[safe dome]

ohhhh ok

[worn canopy]

So the nukie nade still do damage?

[novel oracle]

Uncanny is only on knives and ships and neither really need them
Most of the other melees can deal with armor
And toxin doesn't need any rending

[tepid cosmos]

its funny acting clueless

[compact oyster]

i think crowbar will be the most complex weapon to use alongside shivs

[drifting heron]

Toxin has .9 versus carapace

[grave venture]

Is the hive scum fun

[drifting heron]

Goofy as hell

[zealous ravine]

looks fun

[bronze glade]

has anyone made a video on upcoming balance changes?

[worn canopy]

Crowbar switch two mode; blunt or sharp

[compact oyster]

the fact that shivs get toxin coated throwing knives is such an amazing decision however

[drowsy relic]

The needle pistol looks like so much fun ngl

[bronze glade]

brauto buffs where

[toxic dagger]

lore accurate needle pistol though.

[zealous ravine]

WOLFER we're DOOMED they've released 4 crackheads with CROWBAAAARS

[ancient basin]

I will get max attack speed

[dapper prairie]

Did someone say .9 against cara

Lol that aoe toxin nade is gonna be op

[toxic dagger]

they can shoot through armor and then the poison takes people out nearly instantly

[safe dome]

is there a mod that lets me swing full auto cus the attack speed buffs hurt my wrists lmao

[amber sapphire]

@novel oracle your showcase has new ost right?

[vernal sluice]

Hello, Gordon!

[dapper prairie]

Rocket launcher is bait aoe toxic is the way 🧠

[zealous ravine]

he he he hello gordon!

[bronze glade]

skitarius, keep swinging

[tepid cosmos]

i wouldnt say nearly instantly thats FALSE ADVERTISING HANK

[novel oracle]

The first 2 tracks played are it yeah

[drowsy relic]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/88

[vernal sluice]

Gordon Freeman! It's good to see you

[amber sapphire]

Nice, sound great

[safe dome]

Thank youu

[tepid cosmos]

against alot of enemies sure

[bronze glade]

skitarius is keep swinging++

[worn canopy]

Someone will name Gordon Freeman i guaranteed

[bronze glade]

but keep swinging is simple, stupid

[velvet folio]

When are we getting a legally distinct HEV suit and glasses combo for ganger

[compact oyster]

@tepid cosmos pookie does the pocket toxin affect blackout nades?

[tepid cosmos]

[zenith fern]

"Why can't FS just add skittaris in to the game?"

The game lore reason

[toxic dagger]

i was talkin about the lore!

[velvet folio]

Insult to Injury

[amber sapphire]

some people may scoff at it, but sorry bro, I'm not injuring myself to show some "skill"

[compact oyster]

vamp's trench map gameplay has some parts of the track without any background audio

[tepid cosmos]

[grave venture]

Can't wait to commit chemical warfare

[compact oyster]

is it a good substitute to chem bombs?

[tepid cosmos]

very good build synergy and strong

[novel oracle]

I can list them
Arbites grenade regen is now 45/90 with impact/shock mine
Rotten armor now scales its dr properly, but applies to melee too
Blue stim had its stagger immunity moved to red and lost some dr
Purple now has heal rates based on armor type, so most armor types are lower than before, most are higher
Vet MIGHT get voc bumped to 45s and lose negatives on the revive node, but dunno if that'll make it in

[vast yoke]

how long is the duration of the new stims?

[novel oracle]

No weapon changes

[tepid cosmos]

but chem bomb is really damn strong

[novel oracle]

15s

20 with a talent

[low harbor]

@novel oracle this a real serious question
stim crate gives the custom stim's buff to everybody
what happens if I (vet with tac awareness) get the +75% cooldown rate modifier from stim
what would the cooldown rate modifier end up looking like, combined
would that be x200% x175% = 350% cooldown rate?

[unreal osprey]

enhanced desperado is such a lazy name

[safe dome]

This looks perfect thanks a lot!!

[novel oracle]

Its cdr so its additive

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/CSD80uZWjzU?si=jAj59OI5VsVFYBLo

the new track is so so good

[bronze glade]

no brauto changes? 😭
arbi nade regen looks good
VOC nerf seems really fucking excessive, as someone who doesn't even play VOC

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/L0OMmHbaKQA?si=CKhmndMngGxJHv3u

[grave venture]

I'm going to commit various unforgivable warcrimes

[compact oyster]

this vid has the actual track

[low harbor]

ok cool thx

[tepid cosmos]

kino map

[zenith fern]

Holy shit 90 seconds LMAO

[worn canopy]

Going to war now

[zenith fern]

That's gonna hurt for Arbites players

[low harbor]

uh

I kinda get the stim crate route now

[compact oyster]

i think im going full ruffian with some branching off into chemist

[worn canopy]

Hey does replenish shive from ammo box/bag?

[dapper prairie]

Stim crate looking kind of crazy

[velvet folio]

VOC nerf is fine, if you play vet as an elite-popper youll have it up when you need it anyway

[worn canopy]

My friend asked me

[limber cradle]

Does that mean rotten armor is gonna be more or less insufferable to deal with?

[livid raven]

another VOC nerf?

[low harbor]

take 15 pt cooldown stim (either +75% cd rate node for stim)
take stim crate
give everybody a genuinely hilarious amount of cd regen

[dapper prairie]

I cant tell if rotten is more or less terrible by what u said tho

[amber sapphire]

if they remove penalty from revive that would be amazing

[low harbor]

just did the maths vet can get like an 8.2s VoC cd

[velvet folio]

They hate to see us win

[low harbor]

lmfao

[velvet folio]

Aye like I said, have it when you need it

[compact oyster]

if you want to stack dependency going fully into 2 trees seems detrimental

[novel oracle]

More imo
Like seriously, 75-25% dr in general with all that armor?? Why??

[livid raven]

can anyone confirm if arbites' lone wolf recharge has been nerfed

[velvet folio]

Yes

[worn canopy]

Okay but where do you replenish throwing shiv?

[compact oyster]

more insufferable since it also aplies to melee damage now

[low harbor]

wdym going into 2 trees

[bronze glade]

cole just said it was changed

[dapper prairie]

So ur telling me pyro psyker is mandatory as per usual

[blissful gull]

45 seconds? Holy fuck.

[livid raven]

nice, i love when my dlc class is garbo

[bronze glade]

45 (impact)/90 shock

[compact oyster]

2 stim lab trees for full 75 seconds

[bronze glade]

impacts got buffed

[blissful gull]

maybe if they give us back old tactical awareness lma

[novel oracle]

The only thing it'll change from now is the radius
It'll still match the cooldown with the base change

[near mauve]

but hey we're increasing their hp to lower their spawns!

[compact oyster]

you cant stack more than 1 dependency or 2

[bronze glade]

mine got giganerfed (deserved)

[low harbor]

I'm not taking 2 stim trees, only 15 points into the cooldown route

[velvet folio]

I would struggle to call arbites bad

[low harbor]

pure cd stim

[livid raven]

but i swear everyone says impact is better than mines?

[velvet folio]

Even with grenade regen nerfed

[compact oyster]

arbites isnt bad

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[dapper prairie]

Mine got nerfed?

[stark otter]

I can't decide on a personality sadly

[zenith fern]

"Don't run! LETS BE FRIENDS"

Holy voiceline sounds so good

[bronze glade]

also no word of fixing the vet tree?

[velvet folio]

Whats broke on vet tree?

[bronze glade]

besides nerfing VOC for no reason

[stark otter]

Tbh I'm more certain I wanna try the salty ogryn

[worn canopy]

Guys where do get shiv after you throw them? Do they work like throwing knives from zealot?

[tepid cosmos]

picked outlaw male broker

[compact oyster]

shock mines are a very very strong area of denial tool

[near mauve]

nerfing shock mines is such a bad idea now arbites will be picking up nades

[tepid cosmos]

he was scottish i was like lol funny coincidence

[limber cradle]

Alright fine, I'll take this as confirmation Fatshark hates us and use it to spread inflammatory rumors @compact oyster

[bronze glade]

true...

[tepid cosmos]

kept him

[livid raven]

the whole of the arbites channel thinks mines are weaker than impact

[jovial thorn]

[stark otter]

Probably male outlaw or anarchist

Maybe. Female bounty

[compact oyster]

i think theyre stupid

[velvet folio]

If youre going pure damage yeah theyre way weaker than impacts

[amber sapphire]

they haven't played on h40 with purple/rot lol

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl man the average user in the arb channel does not seem wildly intelligent about DT as a game

[livid raven]

uhh they did, they are havoc 40 players

[dapper prairie]

H40 pubs is like throw a shockmine please

[velvet folio]

Arbi is still very strong, you dont need to be on three kinds of uppers with arbi

[near mauve]

that multi hour convo about 40k lore in arbi channel where both dudes knew NOTHING but kept giving their wild ass takes was wild to read

[vernal sluice]

I find mines boring to use, but calling them weak? Just lmao

[dapper prairie]

We are so fucked

What does the impact increase even do for nades

[amber sapphire]

And they think that a nade is better then literal stun lock of giant crusher wall?

[velvet folio]

More stagger

[dapper prairie]

They alrdy staggered bosses right

[livid raven]

yes

[vernal sluice]

Extra stagger I guess?

[dapper prairie]

Like why they needed more

[amber sapphire]

lmao

[velvet folio]

That alone should tell you about the state of arbi chat

[tepid cosmos]

been reading through warhammer crime novels so this class was a treat from fatshark lol

[toxic dagger]

glad y'all are liking what you're seeing

[near mauve]

it looks very fun

buying the deluxe

i want that coat

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl there's a strong possibility i main scum when they drop

[trim wind]

most people will for a while

[grave venture]

I want literally every single weapon immediately except for the dual daggers honestly, but I still want to try those daggers out

[velvet folio]

Crusher walls actually shouldnt be too bad now with ganger since their rpg

[trim wind]

by wednesday people will talk about it replacing a current class of some variety, can't wait

[left mirage]

Ooh Outlaw is SCOTTISH

[blissful gull]

is the +5 seconds on stim duration talent basically always worth it?

[near mauve]

im gonna need to grind few million in currency before class comes out

[limber cradle]

I mean keep maining em after tbh, the class seems to align with a lot of what I like.

[near mauve]

so i can just buy godrolls

[velvet folio]

Unless youre not really using the stimm i assume its a fine pick

[trim wind]

they got alot of style going on for sure

[robust sable]

I havent had the time tbh, chief

[amber sapphire]

Eh, it will be just like arbi, 2-3 weeks of scum lobbies, and then back to variety

[woeful hill]

Hamdulson was able to help, thanks for response

[limber cradle]

And as we all know Style>Substance

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-wet-hot-american-summer-gif-20489538

[grave venture]

Im probably going to run the 1911s with the saw, and focus on the chem and handgun trees

[amber sapphire]

DUDE THEY NEED 1911 SKINS

[robust sable]

Did ya see what ya wanna see then? I can hop in and screenshare if need be

[velvet folio]

Nah gimme dual berettas CSGO style

[amber sapphire]

I mean, default already look closer to Beretta style

[fickle socket]

dumb question, how does chem lab points work

when i see people build on hive scum, there more than 30 points spend

[drowsy relic]

each node increases stim cooldown by 2 seconds to a maximum of 60 seconds
each node costs 1 extra skill point the futher from the centre you get

[zealous ravine]

chem lab points are separate from the normal tree

[woeful hill]

tis all good

[fickle socket]

Explain to me like i am a orgyn

[tepid cosmos]

get points as you level up to a total of 30, some nodes cost more than 1 point based on the amount of points you spned it effects the cooldown of your stimm

[fickle socket]

but that does interesting

[zealous ravine]

ermm point increase when level higher and itt different than normal cool point

[fickle socket]

thx

sah

[velvet folio]

Use lab point to make stim gooder, but cooldown longer the gooder stim is

Stim do lots of stuff, "class gimmick"

[robust sable]

Get a point with each level, like skill tree
The nodes get more expensive as you go down a branch, costing 15 points to complete a branch
(You can have 2 branches filled essentially)
The less points you spend though, the faster the cooldown is

[blissful gull]

strength or speed cartel special for rage builds?

[glad latch]

So is it more optimal to not use all the points? The cooldown is a lot longer from 3 extra nodes being selected in this example.

[fickle socket]

thx sah

oh so its own

god im dumb af

[livid raven]

maybe if you are a coward

you must go all in

[glad latch]

I didn't say I wouldn't, was just wondering if there's a sweetspot for cooldown vs stim power level.

[echo python]

I think you might want to keep it below 60s if you're running the 4 stack Dependency subnode

[amber sapphire]

as a cdr junkie i am going all in at bottom right

[tepid cosmos]

depends what you are going for

[glad latch]

Yeah, I saw that one and thought of spamming low cdr stims for it.

[tepid cosmos]

sample collector really helps with stimm cooldown

[glad latch]

There will be a lot of experimenting to do with this class, more then arby probably.

[robust sable]

A maxed out stimm is pretty fucking insane though, dude, trust me

[brittle sierra]

nah me and path were cooking with this:

[tepid cosmos]

hi avery

[robust sable]

Hello

[vernal sluice]

what are the baseline benefits of the stimm without any upgrades in the lab?

[low harbor]

is vet VoC 45s cd in 1.10+?

[velvet folio]

12 dollars and a high five

[low harbor]

nada, u don't get a custom stim if u don't take any stim upgrade

[glad latch]

Oh yeah, that seems like a pretty good one to spam the ult and the stim at the same time

[robust sable]

A warm, fuzzy feeling inside (nothing)

but you can opt into Stimm Lab

you can choose not to run it and pick up normal Stimms

[tepid cosmos]

you can technically take the stimm and then do none of its stat nodes but idk if it will do anything

i never actually tested this lol

[low harbor]

I feel like tis but a scratch is borderline mandatory

[robust sable]

I doesn't lmao

[brittle sierra]

giving your entire team 175% cdr, not including their abilities cdr for 15 seconds

[bronze glade]

herpes

[alpine junco]

Has someone posted the cocaine recipe video with glock in my rari song in here yet

[bronze glade]

yeah seems insane tbh

[robust sable]

You can make actually just make a Placebo Build; run Stimm Supply with a Nothing Cartel Special™ and make people think they have some sort of benefit

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/leo-di-caprio-wolfofwallstreet-drugs-iwillnotdiesober-steve-madden-gif-5142419

this class

[tepid cosmos]

class had a bad case of being blew on the wrong way and falling down dead

the most recent changes seem to have made this better

[glad latch]

Yeah but that seems counter-productive since the custom stims seem stronger then any of the base stims, not to mention base stims don't regen.

[brittle sierra]

what should I drop for it?

[robust sable]

It's mainly for the sake of med stimms

[brittle sierra]

prob dont need battering

[tepid cosmos]

but still very much a glass cannon class

[low harbor]

can u confirm vet voc cd being 45s in 1.10+

[glad latch]

Oh true. Is too bad we can't make a medic stimm, but probably mega op is why.

[tepid cosmos]

didnt play any vet

[robust sable]

A regenerating med stimm would be stupid, yeah

but there's a blue node that lets you cleanse corruption while Cartel Special is active, even past full wounds

[brittle sierra]

no but like, if what path says is correct, CDR scum literally will break the entire game

[robust sable]

so you can get more use out of Medipacks

Stimm Supply clears up to 40 Corruption, too, so there's that as well.

[tepid cosmos]

you can use stimm crate with map stimms though

[glad latch]

Behold, the true balanced quick cd stim or the cross stim I guess it could be called.

[tepid cosmos]

would actually kind of fuck tbh

[robust sable]

I enjoy the +25% Strength, +25% Crit Chance, +20% Attack Speed, +50% Reload Speed, and -50% Recoil Stimm myself

[rapid fulcrum]

is it on gameslantern already

[tepid cosmos]

come back to your MIC

rn

[rapid fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-baby-animal-kitty-fawn-gif-9086177

[glad latch]

Yeah, a generalist stim like this would be pretty good I think, nothing fancy, but it does make you stronger in all catagories and doesn't take long to cooldown.

[tepid cosmos]

i run bottom left all the way up to its middle end node, the 3 cdr nodes and two nodes in both of the top ones

it was great

but max cooldown stimm obviously

[glad latch]

That sounds pretty strong, yeah.

[low harbor]

tbh
the 15 pt CDR stim is prob the best stim overall

[tepid cosmos]

attack speed is really fun on this class

cdr is the strongest tree though

[low harbor]

4 pt -6.25% CD and a +75% CD rate node
cuts rampage CD to ~13s which would be its only downtime

[blissful gull]

anyone think my build idea doesn't make sense?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077c006-9ca4-4489-a21a-c90f332ae6e3/rangedhybridbuild?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[low harbor]

it's kinda bonkers

13s CD rampage

[tepid cosmos]

although not a must take for all builds

[glad latch]

Yeah, I did take a look at all the attack speed buffs that can be combined and you can get some really crazy numbers, I think around 75% or so roughly if everything is applied at once, unless I missed something.

[low harbor]

istg if hvs meta becomes running +9 stam for curios

[novel oracle]

alright time to get ready for my retail shift

awesomesauce

[tepid cosmos]

also limited by stimm cd but sample collector plus rampage will be getting that back reasonably fast

and you can just do the 15 point cd stimm

for low cds

[low harbor]

yea I think 15 pt CD stim is the best budget option

it's just straightforwardly strong

[low harbor]

do u happen to know +crit chance info for the hvs exclusive weapons

[glad latch]

CDR is always broken, no matter the class, it's very universally strong to spam your ult usually.

[low harbor]

like, do the shivs have the same +15%Mcrit chance like knife

[tepid cosmos]

class will probably be my main for a good while i need a break from vet been playing it non stop since beta and i like what i have played on hive scum so far

[steep shale]

Wait you guys are able to play it rn?

[tepid cosmos]

not off the top of my head could potentially grab them after his game

[glad latch]

Yeah same, I will probably play it non-stop for like 3 weeks or so, much like I did with arby. Then it felt weird to play the other classes again.

[low harbor]

No worries

[tepid cosmos]

the class shits out crits thoughs

lots of crits

[low harbor]

I’m debating if I want a melee stim with stim keystone, or CDR stim with melee keystone

[vernal sluice]

I say cdr stim

Leave seer presence psykers in shambles

[low harbor]

idk wat subnodes adrenaline actually wants

[oblique basin]

I like the middle keystone

[glad latch]

FS really loves copy pasting this talent everywhere

[tepid cosmos]

useful talent

[glad latch]

I wish it was 25% like the vet version though.

[oblique basin]

Would you rather have one (1) extra ammo in your shotgun or 20% more crit chance?

[tepid cosmos]

you dont want to copy homework too much when adding new classes

just makes it seem like the old class is being replaced

[dapper prairie]

Ok i think the stim pack with cdr is just ridiculous

Found my h40 build

[vernal sluice]

I know opinions will vary on this but I personally feel both the DLC classes are hella derivative

[oblique basin]

What does it do

[novel oracle]

im just gonna rapid fire melee builds with the updated talents and tweaks we got right before embargo
very little difference other than like >3 talent swaps depending on the weapon
1 melee saw
2 melee shivs/taxe
3 crowbar

[dapper prairie]

U drop a medic crate that gives all allies ur stim which can be cdr

So u have infinite cd on havoc

[vernal sluice]

like when I read about the talents and abilities without any other context it's very easy to draw the conclusion that the class is just a reflavoring of an existing class

[glad latch]

Love the triple barrel double barrel shotgun

[novel oracle]

spending 15 points into the cdr tree only gives you 50% cdr flat, or 100% with a conditional of either ranged or melee kill for 1s, cant pick both

[oblique basin]

Sounds neat... so like the stim for faster ability charge but for everybody? does it add anything else?

[vernal sluice]

I used to half jokingly say arbites straight up stole veteran's thunder with the lone wolf talent lol

[fervent steppe]

im stealing these

[dapper prairie]

I meant the pack tho

[tepid cosmos]

aold arbites was doing alot of what vet did but better before the talent tree reworks

[vernal sluice]

(This was pre bound by duty when playing non voc veteran felt awful)

[dapper prairie]

Oh eait

[bronze glade]

hmm you think slippery customer is worth it?

[dapper prairie]

I get it

[tepid cosmos]

but i think we are at a good place now

[dapper prairie]

Nvm

[novel oracle]

very

[dapper prairie]

Hm

[vernal sluice]

yea I agree 💯

[novel oracle]

yeah and the pack consumes the stim

[dapper prairie]

What does dodge slide angle mean

[bronze glade]

hmm doesn't sound that good on paper but ig i'll see when i try it

[vernal sluice]

Bound by duty was awesome I've been actually playing vet again

[novel oracle]

sprint dodge angle

?

[dapper prairie]

Yes that one

I can sprint dodge diagonally?

[blissful gull]

is pocket toxin not worth it really if you're running blinders?

[dapper prairie]

Also the poison cleaver seems like the best one

I say this completely biased

[tepid cosmos]

no it is, 3 stacks of toxin on your grenades and lets you synergise with the toxin talents. Which without that talent on a blinder build you could only do if you are using chem grenade, bone saw or needle pistol

[dapper prairie]

Because i hate shade

[echo python]

You'll be able to throw out a lot more blinders than any other blitz

[vernal sluice]

it certainly looks great in action

[dapper prairie]

I hate shade dual daggers

[tepid cosmos]

or that melee does toxin talent

[dapper prairie]

So clearly the cleaver is the best

[mental sundial]

Give me the class FatShark

[dapper prairie]

Nade wise i think the aoe field one is my davorite

[tepid cosmos]

chem grenades are kino

[mental sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-animated-sitcom-peter-peter-griffin-funny-gif-17656245

I can’t wait until monday

[dapper prairie]

Blitz wise idk anymore

Its either rampage or stim pack

The infinite shooty idk if u have anti cara option

[vernal sluice]

monday? dec 2 is tuesday 🥀

[zealous ravine]

hive scum releases TOMORROW

[tepid cosmos]

4 of your melee weapons are really good at dealing with carapace

[vernal sluice]

yooooooooooooooooooo

[dapper prairie]

I said infinite shooty

[blissful gull]

the crit talent lets you get toxin too; worried about not having enough cleave on shivs which is why I ask about dropping it.

[dapper prairie]

The melee is no problem thats why im ok with rampage

[novel oracle]

@tepid cosmos remember how we were told the skill tree would be fixed up and not look ugly as fuck by the time it launched

Lol

Lmao

[blissful gull]

reckon shivs have enough cleave in havoc?

[tepid cosmos]

the unmoveable wall that is a deadline

[novel oracle]

Yes

[dapper prairie]

The shivs have cleave?

I thought its dual daggers

[novel oracle]

On a melee build there is 150% cleave

[dapper prairie]

Wtf

[novel oracle]

In the tree

100 from talents and the rest from rampage

[dapper prairie]

Does the cleaver have wide swings btw

[steel briar]

🗣️ My peoples!

Finally

Got a home base now, nice.

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna go with Bounty Hunter.

Trying to see which gang I'll pick..

[novel oracle]

The push attack is a diagonal cleave, then it's followed by a hidden diagonal heavy cleave which chains into the normal diagonal heavy cleave

So it's got its combo

[steel briar]

Having a hard time between Water Cartel or The Steel or Train gangs.

[dapper prairie]

Ok cool

And whats the dot diff for the cleaver

[novel oracle]

The weapon itself has very little cleave though

[dapper prairie]

Purple vs yellow

Well thank god i have 150% cleave in melee build then

[tender forge]

Does it do enough st to do horde clear?

[steel briar]

@tacit drift it's time

[tender forge]

IE light spam

[steel briar]

[near mauve]

The community opinion shift needs to be studied

[blissful gull]

Wait, I mean do they have enough cleave if you're going rampage and don't have the two cleave talents.

[novel oracle]

Honest to god your best option is taking those cleave notes and shock and awe
Then doing that push attack heavy heavy combo

[dapper prairie]

Whats the poisons on cleaver do

[tacit drift]

Ah, I see the Hive Scum channel has finally arrived. Excellent.

[steel briar]

U wot m8?! I was always hyped for Hive Ganger. Hive Scum. Same thing.

[tender forge]

On the mk3 Im assuming

Btw does the toxin activate mercy killer?

[glad raptor]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077a10b-337f-4c68-81a2-b0165f10ab24/pierres-scum

[near mauve]

Real shit fellow scummer

[glad raptor]

What I plan to run

[dapper prairie]

Oh shit does toxic enable mercy killer

[unreal osprey]

the community complained about ds nerfs, they should be disregarded in all things

[dapper prairie]

Now thats a question

[novel oracle]

Toxin coding applies one toxin on hit one more on crit
Purple flavor is purple and applies brittleness

[glad raptor]

Also I'm kinda sad, Hive Scum got every non class specific weapon except DS and Shock Maul.

[blissful gull]

should I change anything if I'm running shivs?

[karmic valve]

Hows the poison dot vs blue stim ragers ?

Pls say its gud 🙃

[glad raptor]

I was hoping for a Shock Maul Scum

[unreal osprey]

but what does it taste like

[glad raptor]

😭

[dapper prairie]

Purple is purple eh

Brittleness is nice but the toxic does quite a bit

And rotten armor means dots are king right

[glad raptor]

What about the blue needle pistol

[novel oracle]

The toxin mode makes the weapon also do more raw damage against flesh. Whereas purple does more raw damage against armor

[dapper prairie]

I have my favorite weapon

Oh more raw dmg vs armor

[steel briar]

Thank you choom.

[dapper prairie]

Ok i cannot choose

[turbid fulcrum]

whats the difference between the needler marks?

[steel briar]

[dapper prairie]

Bursty vs dotty

[steel briar]

Got my Cyberpunk playlist ready to go

Night FM

[dapper prairie]

Against rotten armor surely dotty wins

[steel briar]

Peak

[novel oracle]

Despite how good toxin in his against carapace, the damage that purple outputs against carapace is just better than the toxin mode.

[dapper prairie]

Surely rotten armor makes it so toxic is better

Purple for any other modifier

[novel oracle]

Trust me
purple

[dapper prairie]

Sadge

But hey two modes

Its all good

[glad raptor]

Alas, I will be using infinite cleave heavy sword crits for applying toxin to everything 🗿

[dapper prairie]

Just purple for armor yellow for flesh

Its like bleed

Im ok with swapping

[mental sundial]

Class isn’t even out yet and people are already making builds wtf

[novel oracle]

OK im going into work so just treat my overview video as all of my answers

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/ljNHNCo0gqE

[dapper prairie]

I didnt like the dual daggers

[novel oracle]

Idk why it replied to that

[dapper prairie]

Wonder if good

[novel oracle]

But ok

[near mauve]

I ain't using any of the none unique weapons and I don't care about how good they preform
I want to play with new toys

[drifting heron]

I'm making a red tac axe to level and then using the uniques

[mental sundial]

Darktide is truly the only community that will create a meta around certain content before it even releases

[near mauve]

This community is quite acoustic

[drifting heron]

Yeah the audio here is very good

[sturdy linden]

man this class looks hard to play

fun as hell though

[limber cradle]

Nah DbD does it everytime Bhvr announces a patch

[sturdy linden]

can't wait to kiss the floor for a few days

[tepid cosmos]

i put my fingers in the purple flavour and lost them

[blissful gull]

i don't think anyones trying to create a meta rn, everyone's just trying to theorycraft

[mental sundial]

It needs to release, I NEED to LARP as a fent addict

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[young herald]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077c7eb-b14b-467b-9412-7d93f9fb06d5/psycho I think I'm gonna start with this. I initially wanted to run the crowbar over the saw at first, but then I learned the saw latches and I love latch weapons

[drifting heron]

Fent ain't shit I'm out here on Vultoprene

[mental sundial]

I wonder if OD-ing is a feature similar to Psyker dying to Peril

[drifting heron]

It isn't

[near mauve]

I think I'll be making at least 5 wildly different builds
Tree looks really varied and I wanna experiment
Dare I say more varied than arbeetus

[drifting heron]

Special stim just has a cooldown

[drifting heron]

Yeah arbitrator just condenses into melee with a side of ranged

Scum looks like we will end up with 2 basic flavors of melee and 2 of ranged

[near mauve]

I like all the synergy between the drugs and the melee/ranged

[drifting heron]

and it'll go from there

[tender forge]

I sorta like the idea of a super souped up stim using the chemist setup

Give yourself twbs

[woven junco]

Has new class released

[tender forge]

With a ton of cd resuction

[tender forge]

December 2nd

[woven junco]

Smh........

[dapper prairie]

That custom stimpack…

Im torn

I think toughness and a dash of cd and a ton of damage

[drifting heron]

I wonder how Can Opener works with Crowbar

[young herald]

tuesday; they just dropped all the details today

[dapper prairie]

Or a ton of tough and a bit of cd and dmg

[young herald]

use special -> hit target -> apply brittle

that's literally it

[tender forge]

If you run the chemist setup you can gain 50% toughness on stim

[woven junco]

Hell yeah

[tender forge]

Toxic flashbangs are going to be fun

[woven junco]

What sorta specs we gettin

[tender forge]

Wonder if haymaker may be worth it on the shanks

[dapper prairie]

Ok toxic is a trap for havoc me thinks

[young herald]

toughness is gonna be awful for the stim; unless kuli's guide is lying, it's all coherency regen buffs

[dapper prairie]

ITS COHERENCY?

[young herald]

the DR is nice, but it's not enough to really matter

[tender forge]

There is damage res

[tepid cosmos]

worth remembering the characters we will be playing are cartel officers not some bottom of the pole junkie

[dapper prairie]

Ok dmg and cdr it is then

Guess im brainless afterall

Speed is trash

[tender forge]

Speed is pretty good tbh

[dapper prairie]

For a few seconds we can spam cds and dmg

[tender forge]

Full stun immunity

[dapper prairie]

Speed in havoc what does it give

Lol full stun

That aint it

[near mauve]

Kinda wish the fits were a bit more fancy then
Hired fun had cool stuff

[tender forge]

And 20% attack speed

[near mauve]

Hired Gun

[young herald]

attack speed is one of the best possible dps stats

[dapper prairie]

Mf said ark speed

Hold on

The video didnt say atk speed

[young herald]

especially for low-cleave weapons

[dapper prairie]

Hold up

[tepid cosmos]

alot of potential for future fits

[dapper prairie]

We speed and dmg and cdr now

[tepid cosmos]

unlike arby rip

[near mauve]

I'll be using the one with chainmail

[dapper prairie]

But what thresholds am i going

[drifting heron]

so only after swap or just during beak moveset

[dapper prairie]

Cdr is additive so

Hmmm

Ok fk cdr

Dmg and speed

[tender forge]

I'm probably going full attack speed, 3 attack, 1 cd

[dapper prairie]

Im brainless

[finite pilot]

The crowbar special attack makes perfect sense. Use one side to bash, the other side cleave

[young herald]

it literally says "in special mode". You hit the special and then attack, and that attack applies brittleness to the target

[dapper prairie]

Idk whats the stimpack nodes

I havent explored it yet

[near mauve]

I literally don't understand what's going on here why is James workshop hellbent on disregarding decades of arbi drip in favor of their last refresh

[tender forge]

Gameslanter has it

[drifting heron]

Oh shit it does I'm blind

[young herald]

i get the feeling opportunist + take a swing will be the crowbar blessings

but it's hard to say

[drifting heron]

Then yeah can opener superiority is probably the play

[young herald]

oh wait no i lied

[tender forge]

Anyway you also can get 2% cd reduction on your stim by getting a kill on a poisoned dude

[young herald]

superiority + opprotunist

[tender forge]

1% for non poisoned

My question is do you get the stim bonuses on your ability usage

If chemist

Ie the toughness/corruption reduction etc

[echo python]

I've already planned out a chemist build shitting out the exploding stimmscrates, pocket toxin blinders and probably the needle pistol + that ammo regen perk

[young herald]

yes? why wouldn't you?

[echo python]

May or may not work out, but ough

[tender forge]

Because it says on stim use

Not sure if the ca ccounts as "stim use"

[young herald]

oh you mean the capstone, not the ability

[steel briar]

What are y'all's gangs yah gonna pick? Just curious

[tender forge]

Yeah

Or the corruption heal node

[young herald]

yeah that probably doesn't apply, because the ability doesn't trigger the capstone atm

[limber cradle]

What're the options?

[drowsy relic]

Water Cartel of course

[young herald]

one would think that would get changed before it goes live, but we'll see

[tepid cosmos]

they seemingly dont like the old arby stuff and want it forgotten or something

[zealous ravine]

fent

[tepid cosmos]

im hoping dark heresy being brought back up to modern standards by owlcat changes that cause dark heresy has some unique arby stuff

[near mauve]

I get that for lore but their look is fucking sick?

It's bizarre idk

Me when I hate money

[dapper prairie]

Ok the dmg part is tricky

[tepid cosmos]

i went with burple flavour

[dapper prairie]

Do i want rending crit chance or finesse

[limber cradle]

Thank you

[tepid cosmos]

worth noting to you all who are here your cosmetics will not be limited by gang choice

you can unlock all the other gangs stuff

it will just effect the starting stuff you get

but you will be able to equip the other gang starting stuff if you like

[limber cradle]

Water Cartel tbh, maybe The Show

[young herald]

that'll depend on your weapon. I imagine for the most part you'd want rending, but the shivs and maybne the saw would likely benefit from finesse or crit

[near mauve]

Water Cartel just sounds so gangsta

[dapper prairie]

If i give a generic dmg buff to all my friends

[near mauve]

Hydro homies n shiiii

[lethal quartz]

if you ain't a Tread Lightlies it's turf war time

[dapper prairie]

It would be rending generically

[tepid cosmos]

get back to the manufactorum!!!

[young herald]

it's basically run crit if you have a good anti-armor weapon already, and rending if you need the boost

[dapper prairie]

Im stimpacker

Considering different lobbies

[young herald]

iron riders 4 lyfe

[dapper prairie]

If i want to hard pocket a flame staff psyker for havoc

What drugs do i pump him

[drifting heron]

Cyanide

And then do it yourself

[merry pewter]

Isn't there Water Guide or something in Necromunda?

[blissful gull]

do 4% CDR curios reduce the time it takes to charge your ult, or does it merely make each second of time count as 0.04 seconds more?

[brave musk]

4% cdr

running numeric ui confirms this

[blissful gull]

is it reduces the time?

[delicate snow]

what's up scumlords

[dapper prairie]

What does flame staff for psyker benefits most from

[amber sundial]

simply cuts the % off the cd as soon as you use the ability

[limber cradle]

where my crowbar enthusiats at

[dapper prairie]

Pretty sure its crit chance right

Psyker flame is about that crit surely

[charred oriole]

What gang are you guys gonna go with

Me personally might go with the Tread Lightlies

Even though it's a pretty stupid name

[dapper prairie]

So stacking more crit chance on the psyker to burn the h40 rotting armors is the play

Or is rending better for psykers

[limber cradle]

water cartel

[amber sundial]

me and my homies going with the lava cartel

[twilit canyon]

holy shit im bout to scum

[blissful gull]

is maxed out chems not a great pick for chem dependency?

[amber sundial]

maxed out chem is 75s cd

its only bad if you choose the 60s duration node

[dapper prairie]

Chem dependency is such a funny node

U must tell your team at the start that u need drugs

[amber sundial]

either that or run the stim lab nodes

[blissful gull]

I meant the keystone lol

[dapper prairie]

Maxed out chems make u more reliant on scrounging for chems

[amber sundial]

either that, or you only run 1 branch or equivalent in the stim lab

[dapper prairie]

Wouldnt recommend unless u r drug addict enjoyer

[tepid cosmos]

can also run a weaker personal stimm

[twilit canyon]

theres not a single heretic thats gonna stop me from scumming all over tertium

[dapper prairie]

Yeah u can do that too

Run weaker stim

[blissful gull]

you get your chem back through the nodes that give you progress towards your chem back on kill

[amber sundial]

nvm, full 1 branch is 45s cd

so you'd go like 4 nodes max

[young herald]

I wonder if this applies to melee damage, since technically melee targets are in close range

I assume not, but worth testing

[dapper prairie]

It says ranged dmg

Maybe fatshark bug tho

They done it before

[young herald]

it says close ranged damage, which is its own separate thing

but yeah, that's why i'm curious

[amber sundial]

yea within 12.5m

but uhhh

[young herald]

the intent is very clearly to be a ranged buff

[amber sundial]

yea

what stims yall gonna run from the lab

[young herald]

i'm just curious if close range damage also applies to melee; it very easily could be universal

[young herald]

this shit is too broken not to run IMO

[bronze glade]

usually close damage means universal

[young herald]

might run this instead though, we'll see

[amber sundial]

bouta use this stim on psykers and watch them clear an entire horde in one purg burst lol

[dapper prairie]

The cdr apparently is not so good

[tepid cosmos]

worth pointing out how common stimms are in the imperium everyone and their nan takes them

there is even dialogue on the morningstar vox saying to double up on stimms lol

[young herald]

...it's a flat 50% cdr for 15-20s

[bronze glade]

why wouldn't it be 🤔

[tepid cosmos]

they just arent taking there own mixed batch lol

[young herald]

if you run the 20s duration stim talent, you get your ability back by the time the stim wears off

[compact oyster]

i think the cross stim setup might be the best

bunch of buffs but no a high cooldown

[drifting heron]

Yeah but two of the abilities can't benefit from CDR while active

[dapper prairie]

Does cdr affect ur stim cd

[amber sundial]

do yall think this means the supply lasts for 20 seconds otherwise?

[compact oyster]

and adrenaline has a 30s cooldown which is pretty low

[compact oyster]

only the chemist tree has a node of stim cooldown

[compact oyster]

1% per kill and 2% per chem toxin kill

[obsidian cipher]

Will they launch twins from vermintide in this update? or not yet (it exists ingame already)

[dapper prairie]

Fuck me chem toxin kill

[blissful gull]

I think it does

[dapper prairie]

How do i chem toxic kill on shivs

Is there a melee apply toxic

[young herald]

almost certainly not, but this does

[young herald]

top of the bottom right part of the tree, right below the abilities

crits apply 1 stack of toxin

[young herald]

yeah, but they're rather powerful and you don't need stims while they're up

[amber sundial]

the knives or churigan blade probably apply chem toxin

[young herald]

they are stims, functionally

[dapper prairie]

Oh wait just killing infected stims will apply it

So i just crit then i kill them

Then i drug spam

[young herald]

saw applies toxin on crit natively, shivs do not, but there's a talent that applies it

[dapper prairie]

Ok h40 build found chat

[compact oyster]

this might be the best choice if your running a high cooldown stim and the dependency keystone

[livid raven]

strike refers always to melee attack right?

[amber sundial]

alr

[young herald]

yeah, i'm planning to start with the saw and this builkd

[compact oyster]

saw needler chem bombs

[mental sundial]

yet we can still inject ourselves with cartel fent

[tepid cosmos]

#hivescum-class message

[rancid creek]

Was watching a twitch stream for the drops and was curious why hive scum went in 3rd person?

[amber sundial]

mods

[tepid cosmos]

3rd person mod

[zealous ravine]

hive scum did so many drugs their third eye opened

(perspectives mod)

[rancid creek]

Ah I thought it was an ability or something lol

[zealous ravine]

fs doesnt want 3rd person in the gam

[drifting heron]

3rd person just makes it harder to aim in melee

[zealous ravine]

it do be nice to see the 3rd person anims tho

[drifting heron]

And you can get your camera stuck in corners and stuff

[zealous ravine]

even if they're sometimes wrong lool

[dapper prairie]

Aite im cooked

This class has a lot of nodes i want at the bottom

[mighty belfry]

It's veteran pre-rework all over again except the class has actual choices.

[zealous ravine]

vet but they actually have things i want to use

[dapper prairie]

Do i ever go capstoneless

Theres no way

The capstones r so good

Dependency is so goddamn funny

[rancid creek]

Hopefully this class has drip

[dapper prairie]

With dependency u are literal fent dispenser

[tender hollow]

loved dual daggers in vt2 and looks like the shivs are basically the same but you can throw them too? thats so fire

[floral bolt]

the two steroid abilities look so good that dependeny is surely the way to go

[dapper prairie]

The dd in this game can get 150% cleave in melee build too

So its not shade sucks at horde

[placid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-the-dog-jaking-jaking-it-so-good-gif-14818317769597717784

[dapper prairie]

Its shade is decent at horde

[zealous ravine]

horse clear

[tender hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/ifbz-uma-umamusume-kita-kitasan-black-gif-8906255663516287920

[vernal sluice]

Horsetics, prepare to get glued

[vernal sluice]

God damn!

[dapper prairie]

How much cd is not grabbing more nodes

On the customized stim

[tender hollow]

also how does the rocket launcher blitz regen ammo? grenade boxes?

[dapper prairie]

Nades

As per usual

[tender hollow]

ah ok wondering if it did that or ammo like zealot knives

[dapper prairie]

The quick impact nade is zealot knife

The literal rocket launcher is nade

[blissful gull]

is hyper-violence still worth it if its a 1 second duration?

[dapper prairie]

It requires u to be hyper violent

But against elites nah imo

For anything below havoc is fine tho

U will walk through a horde and keep walking

In havoc u get bogged down by 1 million rotten armors

Its just gonna get u nothing

Aite im done i think i found my havoc build

Dependency toxic melee

Gotta be it

[amber sundial]

gameslantern shows the stim CD, it ranges from 15-75 seconds

[compact oyster]

@tepid cosmos if you have no points in the stim lab your able to pick up stims in the mission right?

[tepid cosmos]

yes sir

and map stimms work with stimm crate

[drowsy relic]

including health?

[amber sundial]

does that mean medstims work with it?

[compact oyster]

thanks pookie

[tepid cosmos]

not personally tested that but last i heard from other people yes

[limber cradle]

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want your own stimm tbh

[amber sundial]

im just curious incase its like pox gas

probably the one time id ever run stim crate without personal stim

just to spam med crates

[limber cradle]

Nah I mean for me personally

[icy lark]

worst part about the new class, not being able to afford it

[limber cradle]

Having your own stimm that yk for sure is gonna do what you want seems better than gambling

[drifting heron]

its also only limited by CD instead of level spawns

[amber sundial]

yea a 75 second cd max isnt that long

still faster than PBB

[drifting heron]

PBB is like 40 seconds with Bruiser

[amber sundial]

yea but depending on horde density that 1%/2% on kill gonna help

[drifting heron]

Its 100% for 3 seconds now

[amber sundial]

i meant the stim cdr talent

[drifting heron]

Oh that

[drowsy relic]

1 tox nade

[amber sundial]

hell even 1 blinder nade

[tepid cosmos]

yes

[wise turtle]

Crate cooldown is crazy short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGBRDKawBU

[dapper prairie]

Dependency combo with the crate works right?

[wise turtle]

Kiting potential with toxin looks crazy good, too

[dapper prairie]

Everytime u pop crate u eat a stim

So dependency works surely

[wise turtle]

Can't wait for people to demand you bring nothing but the crate to Havoc!

[dapper prairie]

In which case the crate is busted

[wise turtle]

(Hopefully it doesn't turn out that way)

[tepid cosmos]

pointing out that there are scenarios where stimm crate will come off cooldown before yout stimm meaning you will be waiting for your stimm if you want the crate to have stimm effects

[dapper prairie]

Oh thats how it works

Stim cd gonna be impt then

[drifting heron]

Yeah but then you lose value off the ability

Actual choices good gods

[dapper prairie]

I mean i just set it to like 45s cd like voc

[wise turtle]

Ahhh I see how it works now

[compact oyster]

so your stim needs to be off cooldown for its effects?

[tepid cosmos]

if you want the crate to give the effect of your stimm yes

[compact oyster]

what happens if you have an unstimmed crate

[tepid cosmos]

you are essentially spending your stimm to give the effect to everyone when you use stimm crate with a stimm up

[low harbor]

Dependency doesn’t gain stacks from stim crate

[dapper prairie]

NOOOOO

[amber sundial]

Just the corruption immunity and heal

[compact oyster]

i sea

[dapper prairie]

DEPENDENCY SUCKS

[tepid cosmos]

already flagged for changing

[dapper prairie]

IM SO BACK

[amber sundial]

Imagine it works on release

[low harbor]

Is it gonna happen before next Tuesday tho

[tepid cosmos]

due to console cert and stuff

[little sinew]

I’m naming my Hive Scum “KrakDealer-PhD”

[alpine hazel]

anyone have an idea of what a good support build for havoc will look like

[tepid cosmos]

i doubt it

[blissful gull]

wildfire or vultoprene on shivs?

[dapper prairie]

U go melee and go cdr on stimpack

[compact oyster]

will they cram as many changes as they can or is by monday the date too far?

[amber sundial]

Probably the rending dmg stim and either bottom branch + crate

[alpine hazel]

it's like 5% rending lmao

[dapper prairie]

I think crit dmg stim and cdr

[amber sundial]

15%

[dapper prairie]

Crit is pretty huge

[alpine hazel]

not bad then

[stiff compass]

Oh shoot! Is hivescum on the build website already?!

[amber sundial]

yea

[tepid cosmos]

I dont know and even if i did know im limited on what i can say

[dapper prairie]

Since havoc is a lot of rotten armors

Having a crit buff to psyker helps

[compact oyster]

they put a nuzzle on pookie </3

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124335205650538509/1283126260775784529/bonk_loop.gif

[tepid cosmos]

troo

[foggy lantern]

[alpine hazel]

would you take CDR or toughness/attack spped tree tho

like genuinely is cdr useful on any character except vet/zealot at this point

[amber sundial]

One thing I wanna know, can the corruption heal while in stim effect heal past fully corrupted wounds or no

[alpine hazel]

is there a point to spamming shields/vent

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/4q8H93dLqqk?si=y0bRQcAGFlIGauFh

@novel oracle actual john wick over here

[tepid cosmos]

i know that guy

[zealous ravine]

never seen that guy

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/ayEGDWzUj1M?si=8RjaZZxQ-slzUUTD

[zealous ravine]

london

[foggy lantern]

Shields come in clutch when gunners are massed and the tileset makes getting to them difficult. Vent is the most useful for Soulblaze builds, but can also be a great pocket stagger when one is needed.

[novel oracle]

Thanks I forgot these where scheduled

Since im at work

That thumbnail is so peak tho

[tepid cosmos]

bark if you need help

[novel oracle]

Die

[tepid cosmos]

:3

[compact oyster]

Straight outta tertum

[hardy spruce]

ok but genuinely how are people getting desperado back that soon

am I missing an interaction somewhere

[vocal saffron]

Uh oh

[tender forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0780fb0-8c85-4ef6-9e97-a21983f0b40d/first-looks-scum

[unkempt tide]

what are the ADM's like for the new hive scum weapons?

[tender forge]

My first look build

[arctic imp]

Mr. E said it did but that was the video before they changed stuff i think

[novel oracle]

Good

4/6 exclusive can deal good carapace damage which is what ppl care about

[unkempt tide]

Im assumming the shivs are one of the 2 that dont

[novel oracle]

Theyre knives dude

[arctic imp]

It allows you to spam your abilities back to back, so… yes. CDR is good

[novel oracle]

Of course they deal good armor damahe

[silver mural]

I had to watch new stranger things with my bro so i only just now watched all the reveals. All the weapons seem great.

Ranged focussed builds look super easy to basically run infinite ammo builds. I cannot imagine any gun running empty with all those perks. Especially with infinite ammo every 45 seconds minimum before you add a ton of cooldown support

[unkempt tide]

hows the bonesaw? Moveset didnt look that bad

[novel oracle]

Cdr honest to god is the least useful on this clas

[arctic imp]

I can’t agree with that

[amber sundial]

The one 20% refill when lower than 20% ammo looks amazing

[arctic imp]

Maybe if you’re using the two walkable abilities

[silver mural]

It seems to have poison damage built in as well

[arctic imp]

The medkit stim pack seems crazy if you can spam it

And you can.

[unkempt tide]

I noticed that too

[arctic imp]

Don’t forget it turns into a bomb

[sharp dune]

It’s sick, switch between two different poison modes

[amber sundial]

Medstim pack only applies the 40 corruption and immunity when with no stim

[unkempt tide]

would you still want coated weaponry for the increased toxin stacks even if you run the bonesaw though

does it scale like SB?

[silver mural]

Especially on guns that only need a few bullets to get the refill XD

[main wagon]

The first thing they see is a crowbar coming at them down the corridor...

[arctic imp]

But medkit modification allow it to explode. So if you can spam your stim buff and throw a bunch of these medkits back to back that’s amazing

[sharp dune]

I’d assume so yk

[novel oracle]

Rip and tear
Good damage into everything, but needs help with atk speed and cleave stats to really shine

Oh and proper coating swaps for the situation

[amber sundial]

What are the two coats?

[unkempt tide]

prob gonna do something like this for it

[sharp dune]

Also what do we think of our non exclusive weapon selection guys?

[arctic imp]

broken

[silver mural]

Im also curious what the 2 needler poisons do

[sharp dune]

Explosion

Basically

[arctic imp]

The blue one causes explosions

[novel oracle]

Toxin coating applies toxin on hit and more on crit/rip
Purple flavor coating applies brittleness the same way
Toxin coating does more hit damage to flesh, purple does more hit damage to armor

[sharp dune]

You get two different kinds of explosions based on the Mark

[silver mural]

Ah so thats why i saw enemies sometimes exploded on death

[arctic imp]

That’s so interesting

[sharp dune]

One is a stagger explosion on death

[arctic imp]

Will be very fun

[sharp dune]

The other a explosion naturally that poisons others in vicinity

[tepid cosmos]

would have liked laspistol on them but we live with it

[amber sundial]

doesn’t chem toxin have explosion innately on death?

[unkempt tide]

having innate brittleness on a weapon is very nice

[sharp dune]

Me too 😔

[arctic imp]

Do not sleep on cooldown reduction though. If your goal is to spam the medkit ability and use it for damage, that cooldown will help a lot. You don’t even need a lot to reach a spammable stage

[novel oracle]

The toxin nade does that too, but doesnt spread toxin
One of the two needles causes spread of some toxin and the other causes a small stagger with explosions of the alt fire toxin

[compact oyster]

Coatings are pretty unique

Kinda like sns oils

[main wagon]

Yeah one has bistol toxin and the other has the funny havoc mod, but working for us

Im really hype for the dualies

[sharp dune]

Ohhhh so that’s what the purple one does, it’s anti armor

[novel oracle]

You need your stim ready for that though
At a certain point your cdr will outpace your stim regen and youll be bottlenecked

[silver mural]

Spread? Like it chains the DOT onto nearby enemies without having to shoot them too?

[blissful gull]

am I dumb or does vulture's dodge with a high rate of fire make you immortal?

[compact oyster]

I guess maxxing out the stim lab is also not good for dependency stacks

[main wagon]

I just want Vultures for the movement speed

[sharp dune]

I will say I kinda expected a bit more out of stimm lab

But I ain’t that upset

[hardy spruce]

yeah it's extremely basic

but as a unique mechanic it's alright

[main wagon]

There's a lot of talent CDR so I'm wondering if it's even needed on the stim for what I'm thinking of using

[tepid cosmos]

its fine

[foggy lantern]

I might name my hivescum High on Knife

[tepid cosmos]

@compact oyster dependency stacks last for 90 seconds base the longest cooldown you get on the stimm is 75s

[steel briar]

🗣️ Oh my throne, there's a Karking MaxTac Arbitrator in our channel! Get em boahs!

@main wagon

[silver mural]

The throwing special of the knives also seems to have a DOT effect

[steel briar]

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-combine-cat-pick-up-gif-27154907

[compact oyster]

What if you want to take the 60s cooldown node tho?

[silver mural]

I wonder if its tox chem or just innate bleed or smth or a talent chocob was using

[steel briar]

Roleplay Joke obviously

[tepid cosmos]

then you need to take a lighter stimm?

[compact oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169036792360603700/1435071859111497850/GIFs_Shitposting__20251103_4.gif

[main wagon]

Individua-I mean hey there, do you happen to know where a fellow scum can find some high grade stimulants?

[silver mural]

The crowbar is cool too, basically like having 2 melees equipped! And the animation where you rip the sharp end down for the extra damage is brutal

[sharp dune]

Tox chem

[novel oracle]

I love working black Friday on the same day as an embargo drop

Yippeeeeee!!

[tepid cosmos]

get a better job

?

[novel oracle]

Show me one

[tepid cosmos]

erm ummm

[novel oracle]

Oh right you were abducted to work a job where you sleep the whole week and work 1 hour a month

[calm aurora]

uncanny nerfed?

[novel oracle]

Bespoke version for shivs

[tepid cosmos]

i actually worked 2 hours this week

[novel oracle]

Unchanged for other weapons

Not that it changes much
40% rending still gets shivs to an adm of 1+

[low harbor]

When can it be changed for them

[calm aurora]

path gonna break a brain cell

[low harbor]

Yea I’m just gonna run bonesaw

[silver mural]

Awesome! Im curious how much damage tox chem does at max stacks.

Cant wait to test the character out

[novel oracle]

When the world ends

[flat mist]

Fucks sake

[low harbor]

Also does crit do anything for needle pistol

[tepid cosmos]

soon hopefully the version on shivs is still pretty fucking strong

[low harbor]

Like apply extra stacks of dot

[novel oracle]

Additional stack

Not double, just 1 more

[flat mist]

Can't wait for the riposte uncanny meta on shivs. Fresh and new experience has arrived

[low harbor]

What’s base stack per shot

[silver mural]

What is adm?

[novel oracle]

Armor damage multiplier

[silver mural]

Thank you

You did the indepth mechanic vid for arbites right? Are you planning on doing one for hive scum?

[hardy spruce]

what does the special do on it...

[calm aurora]

cole, stub or shredders?

[novel oracle]

Number like .5 or 1.2 that your attack is multiplied by depending on the weapons attack
100 dmg with a .5 adm into what youre hitting deals 50 dmg

[calm aurora]

what do you prefer?

[novel oracle]

Stub pistols most of the time

Stub autopistols do better with a ranged playstyle imo but stubs work with both

[tepid cosmos]

im dual autopistols strongest warrior

love those things

so fun

[silver mural]

What is the mechanical advantage to the stub special? I saw a vid and it just seems like a fsncy twirl shot but im sure its doing smth else

[blissful gull]

using pickpocket and vulture's dodge, can you just become permanently immortal?

[sharp dune]

Ohhhhhhh

[trim wind]

Increased accuracy for snipe

[dapper prairie]

@novel oracle so wheres ur builds

[tepid cosmos]

it can stagger ragers mid combo thats pretty cool

[sharp dune]

The crowbar, is the billhook from vt

[tepid cosmos]

cole can do a bigger rant about it

[silver mural]

Oh okay, so you got hip fire, slightly zoomed in hip fire, and fancy trick shot hip fire XD

[sharp dune]

Extra damage on shot + stagger

[silver mural]

That is pretty cool

We love anything that staggers ragers

[oblique basin]

Aig so the havoc option would be the stim crate with needle pistol and machete?

[tepid cosmos]

id argue everything the class has can work in havoc

[oblique basin]

Also what changes in the needle pistol with the special?

[trim wind]

No there must be only one winner

[silver mural]

One is less single target stacks but stacks the dot in an AOE and the other is high single target stacks and target explodes on death if i understand right

[oblique basin]

And have like... 100 something ammo right? thing looks strong

[silver mural]

I think i heard that 12 is the max stacks? So with coles numbers that means the primarch mode maxes tox with 2 shots? With 10 stacks on a crit hit in the head

[dapper prairie]

Cleaver and dual daggers work in havoc

[oblique basin]

and no need to worry about shields or getting crits against carapace so super good