psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze should not be a strong tool against crushers imo

[thorn cedar]

yea still does

[ripe obsidian]

I don't want it to be a tool that excels in all situations

[ripe obsidian]

Goofy.

[thorn cedar]

Uncanny is in a good spot balance wise, now the issue is Crushers themselves got made exceedingly rare.

[fathom adder]

Old Uncanny would still have been a 30% straight damage boost against other target types wouldn't it?

Uncanny needed reining in regardless (and then Fatshark buffed Inferno Staff to compensate anyways)

[dusk timber]

25%

rending caps at 100% so the extra 20% didnt exist

[thorn cedar]

(Which to be clear is/was still ridiculous)

[steel flame]

Would honestly rather have crushers continue to be rare and have another new enemy without one shot attacks fill its role instead

[thorn cedar]

I'm for that but also a Crusher buff.

Like 30-50% extra HP at their current numbers is fine with me (the range is to represent difficulty scaling, with less HP added on the higher you go)

I think it's sad how when they appear single or as a duo they just get immediately bullied and deleted into irrelevance

It's only if you get 'unlucky' and your match rolls a seed where a Crusher patrol spawns that you suddenly perk up a bit.

[ripe obsidian]

Maximum of 25%, yes. But only assuming you're starting at 100% ADM. Higher is less, as I understand it.

[dusk timber]

100% or more

[ripe obsidian]

I might've misunderstood Path's explanation. I do know where the code is for a 100% cap on additional rending/brittleness.

But he mentioned something about not being able to go over 200% total, I thought.

Could be my memory full of holes tho

[dusk timber]

if the adm is at or above 100% then it starts doing the conversion of rending to +dmg%

[ripe obsidian]

Aye, I know this thing

It's just where the cap of combined base ADM + additional rending sits that I do not know for certain

[dusk timber]

rending is a separate stat bonus

[ripe obsidian]

I know this.

Again, I have read the code for it. I'm trying to remember what Path said

[dusk timber]

wdym?

[green heart]

Whoever made the warp battery penance a consecutive thing and not as you get max stacks should be hit with a stick.

[mental rock]

Additional rending over 100% adm is always 1/4 of the value as +dmg

[ripe obsidian]

@buoyant maple is there a hard cap for base ADM + rending from talents and blessings?

[ripe obsidian]

I know.

I am not arguing against this point

I am trying to remember if it has a cap beyond the 100% limit on bonus rending

[dusk timber]

any rending beyond +100% effectively doesnt exist

[fathom adder]

They want Scabs to be more elite and more ranged-focused, right? Could make Maulers rarer but fully Carapace armored, add Scab Storm Troopers in full Carapace, and give Reapers the same treatment as proposed for Crushers (making them rarer but much tougher)

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I can cite the code for this.

[mental rock]

There is no cap for adm+rending, except for the theoretical limit of the highest adm attack+100% rending I guess

[dusk timber]

idk what it is youre confused about then

[ripe obsidian]

I thought Path said something like, if an attack has 150% ADM, then the bonus rending will cap at 50% or something to stay at 200% total. I don't remember clearly. I'm probably misremembering.

[dusk timber]

no

if that was the case it'd be way more busted

imagine reaching 2x adms

[ripe obsidian]

I think I am not explaining myself well.

[thorn cedar]

500 ADMS but it's the 500 cigarettes meme

[thorn cedar]

Doesn't seem to have a cap.

[ripe obsidian]

I am just misremembering what Path said

[thorn cedar]

I had misunderstood it in the same way tbh

Just reinforces how fucking stupid absurd busted old Uncanny was, and for some reason it stayed in the game like this for three years.

[ripe obsidian]

Like, I know that rending and brittleness caps at 1. The code is like math.min(rending_multiplier, 1).

[mental rock]

You might be thinking of the proportional damage increase. ie 25% extra damage to a 1.5x adm is a lower increase in damage proportionally to 25% extra damage at 1x adm

[ripe obsidian]

I have no idea what I'm thinking of, tbh. I'm just being a doofus.

[buoyant maple]

If base ADM exceeds 100%, then it’s capped at whatever the value is (may increase with crit)

Otherwise, up to 100% then ADM bonuses convert into damage

I recently reworked several intro sections in the guide, u might wanna go through them if/when u have time

All sections previously used for explaining damage increase bonuses are now combined into 1 singular section

Stagger, mass & cleave are combined into 1 single section as well

Updated DOT values too

[ripe obsidian]

I am just bein' a doofus

[stuck salmon]

guys unrelated question but couldnt find info, what numbers mean (+5), (+4) in havoc mode party finder? anyone know?

[jovial juniper]

Finally

[dire wharf]

@ripe obsidian 23 wr wasn't low enough

[jovial juniper]

The fire buffs it deserves

BURN IN HOLY FIRE🗣️

[buoyant maple]

Burn only significantly outperforms other DOT vs unyielding

[mental rock]

Extra modifiers/tags for the mission

[jovial juniper]

Good enough
Purge the unclean 🗣️

[dire wharf]

Umm can I say I JUST noticed the name... (absolute smooth brain)

[jovial juniper]

Covenant and Witches

[stuck salmon]

thanks

[dire wharf]

I'm just a little slow

[dire wharf]

Speaking of being slow any rando tm that periodically checks up on my slow ass gets high marks from me

[ripe obsidian]

You lucky luck boy

[ripe obsidian]

Neat. Thanks for doing this thing.

[dire wharf]

It was in my inventory for weeks and I didn't even notice until I almost junked it

[knotty crane]

Remember extreme violence is always the solution

[steel flame]

Forgor X values on graph?

[buoyant maple]

Stacks 1-31

[steel flame]

Yeah, but if you are just using the graph you'd have to guess. My pedantic brain no like graph without x axis label XP

Just as a user friendly suggestion

Table doesn't reference stacks as a value either so someone new would need to guess what your x is meant to be

One could also put together that y-axis is damage per second

But could also use a label

My sincerest apologies, I couldn't resist, I have to do it for a living

[spice aurora]

bleed sux sheesh

[keen cargo]

Yo guys

Falter with voidblast any good ?

haven't tried it but i was wondering

[rich spindle]

Very helpful thank you. Always wanted the adms there too

Does bleed really have 50% adm on unarmored?? Huh??

[radiant frigate]

naaaah, couldn't be.. right?

who else is gonna bleed

[buoyant maple]

Yes but most elites have flak as base armor type

[civic fable]

Lvl 17. Cant kill 2 twin bosses on easy lol

[olive oar]

Karnak Mission? Well, you have to have some good grasp on the game to do it consistently, I was very happy when I was first able to do it, and ecstatic when I finally was able to beat it Auric. It's not easy.

[fresh panther]

Yeah this fight is a bit harder than the other campaign missions for sure

It'll allow you to progress if you can clear it on the easiest difficulty available if you just want to continue the campaign

[spice aurora]

is 21 moebussy flak or unarmor base i4get

[fresh panther]

Flak chest, rest is unarmored iirc

[dire wharf]

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood

[verbal thistle]

Flak

[dire wharf]

Is that she hulk

[jovial juniper]

💀

[olive oar]

This is looking promising. Is weak against Crushers but besides that... won't change ranged simply because I love the Zarona Combat Shotgun... too bad I had the wrong blessing on this one.
https://youtu.be/Nz7eMFMb_7o

[spice aurora]

i thought the zarona combat shotgun doesnt have soulblaze

[olive oar]

It doesn't

[narrow herald]

Edging

[civic fable]

Also i am using a machine pistol n its good what poibt do i change to staff i dnt really like staff on this

[jovial juniper]

Low level staves suuuuuck

So we recommend level 30 and shit

[dire wharf]

Machine pistol go brrrrt

[civic fable]

Ok what is classed as high lvl lol

Item power i guess

[dire wharf]

Weapons top out at 500

[manic lance]

Is asail viable in auric at all? pretty sure no but any other opinions?

[verbal thistle]

yes it is viable in all difficulties

[manic lance]

Might try to build then

[wind spruce]

You

[fathom adder]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=x3-pFBYc_3I

[spice aurora]

0 dmg taken, almost killed bulwark heal blockade

and THIS horse shit ass dog

happens

[kind jay]

ah yes the parallel pounce

poxhounds ultimate move

[spice aurora]

not even that just the fact that it made sound effect and blood splat and i hit his head

[kind jay]

oh youre right

fuck you in particular i guess

[fathom adder]

How can it be hitreg when it don't reg hit

[kind jay]

theres a lot of stuff not registering even more so than usual lately

[fathom adder]

Nurgle slowly decaying Fatshark's servers

[naive crescent]

Tips finding havoc group? I wanna progress

I keep getting declined even at lower lvl ones

I have cleared auric maelstrom several times now so I guess I should be around lvl 16 havoc

[narrow herald]

Ok have you used indeed?

[naive crescent]

Got my first matched after posting cleared 16!

I hosted and took a few mins for ppl to join

[kind jay]

[thorn cedar]

God Gunker just feels right.

Vet just doesn't have the movespeed.

[crisp ether]

Vet can

It's just

The tree.

Movement speed node and aura actually do stack to some funny movement speed

[kind jay]

maybe skits tree will be so good everyone will get their 8th tree rework

[crisp ether]

Honestly looking at that tree

I would love if they'd do that.

[thorn cedar]

it aint 60% tho

[jovial juniper]

Devs barely disguised fetish

[spice aurora]

bruh moment

[verbal thistle]

ohhh

I get it

cause its your name

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G3LvXKQXAAAUkI1.gif

[cosmic cobalt]

bro tryna block fall damage 😭

[kind jay]

he got sparta'd

[dire wharf]

This made me laugh

[fathom adder]

Get some AI to fabricate a love letter to how passionate you are about Darktide Havoc and that group in particular (they will use their AI to judge it)

[fathom adder]

@gork how meta is this guy's build

[kind jay]

[crisp ether]

This reminds me of that reddit post of someone making a resume for Havoc

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Iz6KwkAY5H found it

[kind jay]

thats gold

[dire wharf]

Wait, do people actually make resumes for havoc

[fathom adder]

At least they gave feedback and didn't just say "Unfortunately, we have decided to go in a different direction"

[dire wharf]

We love your passion but have decided to go with someone with more experience

[fathom adder]

No (I hope)
it's just making fun of how insanely picky some groups are

[radiant frigate]

whether you get invited or not depends on how blinged out your frame and insignia are

[steady elk]

Fym progression. This ain't tarkov

[plucky flax]

Reject title starter frame is op

With sus names

[kind jay]

im too lazy to change frames i just use basic frame and no insignia

no title no nothing

i do like sus names though. ragebait names tend to get more engagement and it can be entertaining

i had WarframeSucks for a while and people got really mad

[radiant frigate]

insane aura

[cosmic cobalt]

in apac if you're using anything but havoc title them good luck getting in 1

💀

[dire wharf]

Dickon

[obsidian bane]

certified brainburst enjoyer

[radiant frigate]

headsplosion

[dire wharf]

Pop tarts

[solemn sluice]

space-wizard or gun-wizard for name.

[sturdy basalt]

I wanna give havoc a try but I'm to scared to let down the people I join so I don't bother also this BS

[radiant frigate]

the fact this exists even as a joke is beyond funny

[obtuse swan]

the people ur scared to join will let u down more often

its not that hard..

they need to add more rending to psyker tbh

[sturdy basalt]

Oh

[obtuse swan]

maleific momentum needs rending increase like uncanny strike gave but for either warp attacks or no nwarp attacks depending on the last kill

would make it more unique

[radiant frigate]

psyker should have 1+ ADM on every attack just because

[rich spindle]

why

[obtuse swan]

would give more ppl a reason to use mm now since us nerf meant psyker lost most rending available

[summer prairie]

this guy joined a 40 and kept insisting we do a 35 for true survivor and now he is giving pro tips

[rigid sky]

MM is already very usable for a lot of builds

And does Psyker really need rending anyway? We have really good ADMs on our single target killers

Greatsword two-taps (or is it one?) crushers with the poke to the head under SG/DD

Haven't touched Caster style for a little bit but I can't see the loss of Uncanny affecting much apart from the Soulblaze cheese

[formal harness]

Where can I find this guy I need his immense knowledge to get better at the game

[obtuse swan]

it's the only real way to kill crushers. now they are basically immune to soulblaze

[rigid sky]

Again, we have melee weapons with some excellent adms into carapace

[obtuse swan]

duelling sword

[rigid sky]

do we really need the rending? Greatsword never had it and was always a Crusher-killing machine

[obtuse swan]

i dont like greatsword lol

[rigid sky]

Duelling sword is one example, also the 1H force swords

not Illisi obviously

Illisi doesn't exist

weakass powersword knockoff

[obtuse swan]

Duelling sword is goated bc of the parry

[rigid sky]

without the silly push attack combo

[limpid lily]

do ppl use Venting Shriek's Warp Rupture for ANYTHING xD?

[maiden flare]

im new to psyker, how to best use the flame staff?

[thorn cedar]

Uncertain that there is a bad way.

Right click + left click when you're safe. Left click if you're not until you can right click + left click again.

Try not to explode yourself.

[maiden flare]

pog

thx

[deft stump]

EU pubs. He literally leeroys constantly and then gets mad. When we asked why did he request to join a H40 instead of hosting, he complains about nobody good joining his games.

[cosmic cobalt]

or he doesn't have h40 game

just complete them

[deft stump]

He had a 35.

Enough for TS but really, his playstyle didn't help with what he wanted. Not playing safe for TS.

He started ranting right after he went down.

[cosmic cobalt]

I remember ruining a ts run because i exploded at the end intentionally

we had a good laugh though

didnt notice it until scoreboard pop up

[dusk timber]

Whats TS

[thorn cedar]

tees nuts

[static sonnet]

True Survivor

I think

[deft stump]

True Survivor.

[analog verge]

what do yall like using enhanced psionics with...? i feel like im always sticking to DD or warp siphon for any of my builds

[deft stump]

It works with any, it just pushes a blitz heavy playstyle.

[dusk timber]

Just dont run it with smite or your teammates will hate you

[analog verge]

fair enough

i don't like how smite plays anyway

i suppose i'm just always in melee (i mean its darktide, you ARE always in melee range) so i don't consider EP's uses much

[dusk timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[jovial juniper]

Smite
And brain burst

Brian burst is my favorite blitz

[analog verge]

what did brian ever do to you

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/killed-my-grandma-okay-trolls-gif-20630367

[thorn cedar]

Honestly EP smite is fine

It's the same thing as regular Smite. Just don't hold it for thirty seconds every time.

[frail oar]

Im stealing Brian burst

[radiant frigate]

it is common knowledge that everyone suddenly becones an expert when downed

[fathom adder]

"No no you don't understand I need to get the maximum utility out of each EP charge!"

[thorn cedar]

I do desperately wish left-click didn't eat an EP charge.

They're quick enough to gain back but if I'm microstunning a Flamer it'd be nice to not lose one whole EP.

Sucks even more if you miss and you use up two charges or even all three lol

[marble crater]

Just kill it, what do you mean microstunning

[thorn cedar]

its called aura farming

[dusk timber]

How about you farm some crafting materials instead

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-aura-aura-monster-stairs-aura-stairs-rezero-gif-10999046158068694783

[thorn cedar]

the fuck am i gonna use more mats for

[dusk timber]

50 of each weapon mark maxed out

[thorn cedar]

i could already do that

[silver wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[thorn cedar]

"Did you ever hear the tragedy of ILoveSmite the Support Player? It's not a story the Discorders would tell you."

[jovial juniper]

Somehow ReworkSmite has returned

[white sky]

Someone in my havoc lobby swapped to infinite smite at the last second and somehow kept dying last night

It was real cool

[tired estuary]

"somehow"

[white sky]

Well like

If you have infinite smite idk man

The shit shouldn't be attacking you lol

[deft stump]

Inf smite into purple/toll.

Heh.

[white sky]

God that's it actually

I've been killing shit too fast on scum to realize it's cc immune

[deft stump]

Thus, compounded stupidity.

[silver wing]

what was the big brain plan to swap to infinite smite then lol

[deft stump]

Smite into purple toll.

Are they serious?

Purple still can be, but VERY hard.

Lul at toll.

Is why shock mines still work on purple. You mostly stagger everything else and single out the purples still heading to you to kill.

[crisp ether]

Smite on red + purple is legit throwing

Hell even something like bubble inferno is debatably not great for that particular combo

[rigid sky]

Bubble isn't a good match for Inferno anyway, not sure why that's so popular

I guess because they're just both individually great for havoc

But I don't rate it as a combo

[wraith sphinx]

because it's braindead and gives the players the illusion they are contributing even if they suck

[thorn cedar]

It's the autoclicker build.

[rigid sky]

Empathic Evasion is just permanently active on inferno

Not taking shriek seems silly

[wraith sphinx]

pub havoc lobbies (at least on the lower end of the difficulty ranks) are chock full of burga smite builds and it's infuriating how much they always suck shit

[thorn cedar]

But what if I can't dodge a trapper net?

[wraith sphinx]

Fatshark's fault

[thorn cedar]

Surely I would need a giant dinner bell that deletes all projectiles to succeed.

[wraith sphinx]

You played to the best of your abilities

[rigid sky]

As they say in dwarf fortress, Losing Is Fun

[rich spindle]

Holdover from before the cooldown nerf

[silver wing]

ball knowledge

[rigid sky]

Don't get me wrong I love bubble with voidblast

[pale matrix]

Is smite even good in havoc? I know it’s boring, but idk if it’s effective

[jovial juniper]

Falls off in havoc

Higher HP
Higher horde mass

Stagger resistant modifiers

[pale matrix]

Is there a limit to how many it can stun though?

[jovial juniper]

It can go ad infinitum

However the initial tethers are only 3 targets

[pale matrix]

Wdym?

[mental rock]

How many enemies you can chain to during your channel depends on which enemies they are. The spread of smite depends on the hitmass of the targets

[rich spindle]

It works very well if no purple or red modifiers

[olive oar]

They'll only hate you if you don't know how to do it properly, never found anyone that would complain about my smiting.

[marble crater]

/ / /
/// /// ///
///// ///// ////////

That's smite

[olive oar]

It's just regular Smite, just 3x stronger and spreads 100% faster... but the same.

[jovial juniper]

If there's 15 enemies in front of you
It'll tether to 3, then from those 3 it'll just keep from 3 to 3 to 3 to 3 ad infinitum

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[analog verge]

ah, sweet scrier's smite psyker who was constantly at 1 wound...

smite is anything but useless but the number of good smite players you'll find in qp is not high

[olive oar]

Isn't that great when modifiers increases crowd control resistance.

[jovial juniper]

The range for those initial tethers are about 15-17m

[olive oar]

The speed of the spread is determined by the hitmass, but yes, it does not affect the number of targets.

Smite potential.
https://youtu.be/KGmjfwm041U

[thorn cedar]

3x and 50% yes

[pale matrix]

thx

[swift eagle]

I'm wondering if smite will be updated now that they're doing stuff with skiitari. maybe they'll have a way to make a good and not piss off your entire team time and time again

problem is that it fights for the same role as electric staff

[olive oar]

EK has a similar role to Brain Burst, not to smite. It just shares a similar animation.

Or, maybe, it's a mashup of both blitzes.

[swift eagle]

just feels like smite is in this really weird place where it's super hated and anti-synergestic

[olive oar]

Nope, 100%, because what is 50% is the jumptime, so if jumptime is reduced by 50% the spread is increased by 100%, twice as fast

[olive oar]

You'll either play it for the damage, play it for the stun, or play it for the Charged Strike, people are just too judgemental, that's it. As if stunlocking enemies were a bad thing.

[kind jay]

it's controversial because mechanically, it's extremely effective, but it also effectively turns the game off

[swift eagle]

that's why I mentioned anti-synergestic

[olive oar]

As if there weren't enough enemies to everyone almost all the time, if this was a heresy difficulty question, I would argue that yes, it's really boring to the team as there's not enough enemies

[kind jay]

it's the inverse of speedrunning. you're basically skipping the game, in reverse

[swift eagle]

sometimes I question if there is even a way to make it good but also not controversial

[jovial juniper]

Make it like Arbites shield special

There

Done

[olive oar]

It locks a single direction, and you'll have to move properly if you don't want to die. As I said, it can be damage, or stun. Stun is nice when a wall of Ogryns show up.

But whatever, we can't decide and I like it the way it is, could be a little more damaging so I wouldn't have to smite for so long, yes, but the main problem I see with Smite is that people that plays with it skips Charged Strike.

[daring rose]

What melee goes great with Gunker than the greatsword?

[kind jay]

it is what it is. i have my own hot takes on aoe in general (ragebait for another time perhaps). when i get smykers i just play the match and say nothing but admittedly i know it'll be a mostly boring run

[jovial juniper]

Knife or Dueling Sword

Shitactical axe

Rashad too but that's just Rashad being Rashad

[daring rose]

Knifey it is!

[olive oar]

Guess you don't like aoe, this is what brought me to Psyker, the ability to deal with groups without having to attack the groups all the time. More precisely dots upon dots.

[dire wharf]

Make smyte a single cast direct damage chain lightning spell, like from DnD or Diablo

[kind jay]

i think there exists too much aoe in general. the thing with smite is that it's exponentially stronger the better player you are, and has nearly no drawbacks

when it first released i had a basic build with shriek and it would just delete rooms with no danger to anyone

[olive oar]

Problem is Warp Unbound, without it Smyker would not be a thing, If this would ever be changed I would like it to maintain its damage potential, but since it would not last as long and would require more quelling between casts the more pressing "problems" players find with Smite would be solved, I guess.

[daring rose]

Knifey problem ain't good with also the heavy lasp

[spice aurora]

rashad more like rachad

[rich spindle]

This is why you’re the goat

[crisp ether]

Hot take

Warp Unbound should have never been a thing

The quelling is okay on its own but Warp Unbound just enables some really stupid shit like infinite smite and its not like you really need Warp Unbound in the first place if you're just being mindful.

[rigid sky]

Is that the free casting at max peril Scrier's thing?

[crisp ether]

Yes.

[rigid sky]

It's fine when you're just using it to unleash THE BEES but I skip it usually atm

[crisp ether]

Scrier's is already extremely good without it and makes peril management safer with the quelling alone

[spice aurora]

u dont need peril management if u choose to explode anyways >:)

[crisp ether]

Suipsyker op

Unironically that bug is actually op 😭

[dusk timber]

what bug

[kind jay]

easy fix just make 100% peril turn on friendly fire

[crisp ether]

I can't explain it. I'd have to get one of Ainz's VoDs to show it

But there's an exploit with Crystalline Will rn

[jovial juniper]

Something something crystal will rounding error something something not killing you something something

[dusk timber]

wdym not killing

[crisp ether]

#psyker-class message

[dusk timber]

i dont get it

[crisp ether]

Look closely at the current wound after the explosion

[dusk timber]

it didnt fully corrupt the wound?

[crisp ether]

Yeh

I don't know how exactly it works

But essentially you can just keep exploding without actually losing your current wound like you're supposed to.

[thorn cedar]

It's something to do with how the game rounds health

[crisp ether]

Ooooh so it's probably leaving a decimal of health from the current wound so it can't pass to the second one properly...

[thorn cedar]

Yeah and it stays stuck

[dire wharf]

@verbal thistle hey does warp shock count as 2 attacks if the attack hots something during the swing animation?

[verbal thistle]

warp slice from FGS special?

[dire wharf]

Yeah

[verbal thistle]

I don't think the sword has a hitbox during a special swing action

so no

[kind jay]

it does

just as proof. but i regularly use it with heavy attack after stacking wrath to get back like half a bar

[mortal minnow]

I used to hate psyker, then I descovered melee psyker, mmmmm

[steel flame]

it sure does, its a full on light or heavy attack

it also inherits the unlimited cleave attribute from the warp slash

[dire wharf]

So does it count as light or heavy

I THOUGHT it might, after watching some reactions

[dire wharf]

Melee psyker (force greatsword) has been too fun, now I can't play other classes

[mortal minnow]

I'm still addicted to Arbites but it made psyker playable for me, I deleted my last psyker because I hated it so much lol

[ruby locust]

A melee psyker in a game with scum and zealots seems a bit redundant. IMO, psyker is a mid-ranged dps. Once you opt for melee, you’re now competing against other classes that vastly dominate their category, and depriving your team of a sustainable elite and specialist killer

[dire wharf]

Yeah and?

It's not the Olympics

[ruby locust]

It’s not optimal. Just scholarly debate

[mortal minnow]

I mean my psyker gets most of the elite kills per game so idk

[ruby locust]

Saying “yeah and” doesn’t address my points. I was trying to spark a discussion

[mortal minnow]

Also I play for fun and most of my builds are meh at best, I'm not out here joining havoc games I know I'll fail at so it doesn't really matter

[kind jay]

when i play sg/dd meleeker i generally far outperform the others in melee

when using zazys fire build i also generally do more ranged too

[mortal minnow]

I main arbites, that tells you everything about my skill you need to know lol

[kind jay]

i know it's partly skill level and psyker is generally harder to play but it performs so disgustingly well in all aspects

[mortal minnow]

I'm terrible at psyker so, fgs melee build it is

[kind jay]

to be fair every class can easily wreck specials

it shouldn't fall strictly on the psyker

[dire wharf]

Just get gud! Or attempt, that's what I'm trying

[mortal minnow]

I'll stick to playing simpler characters for now, outside of the occasional melee psyker run it is not a very fun class for me

[buoyant maple]

too bad psyker is just mega op in DPS

[mortal minnow]

Now I just need to find a build for Ogryn that makes it fun for me, then I'll be able to freely play any of the classes lol

[buoyant maple]

What do u wanna lean into

[ruby locust]

Are they? I’ve never explored it because of my previous statement. I figured melee Psyker was novel, but ultimately meh

[mortal minnow]

Unfortunately everything I wanted Ogryn to do arbites does better so I'm just looking at random crap for Ogryn now hoping to find something either meme worthy or idiot proof

[buoyant maple]

right-side psyker has very consistent crit & finesse related bonuses that give them tremendous dmg with both melee & ranged
the main downside in those builds is usually in mixed horde control (which is why they're not as good frontliners compared to others) and may also be dependent on ammo for high burst DPS
but they do absolutely shit out damage in ridiculous levels

[buoyant maple]

I actually think og has the best melee weapons atm since the crusher spawn rate change

[mortal minnow]

Oh I'm sure, but I'm kind of trash due to physical and skill issues so... Hence I main a brain dead arbites build most of the time

[ruby locust]

Do you have a build you can link? I admit I wanna see this in action. I’m assuming it involves the force Greatsword and the las pistol?

[olive oar]

About melee psyker, I guess I might be on a novel exploration here, because Illisi with both power blessings and specing fully into the right side of the tree give the zoomies in such a way that I always feel I'm in the event because of how fast I fly.

[buoyant maple]

Psyker’s highest dps gun is Vraks V infantry autogun

Laspistol is just comfy for a lot of people since it has accurate hipfire, high sprint bonus & can set enemies on fire with crit (saves ammo)

[dire wharf]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-blazing-spirit-greatsword-unga-bunga-experience

[kind jay]

pretty sure it's based on whether you light or heavy but now I'm second guessing. can test it for you later if you'd like a definite answer

[mortal minnow]

Hey, that's the build I use for psyker lol

[olive oar]

Forget Laspistol, embrace the future, go for Zarona Combat Shotgun!

[dire wharf]

I was wondering about that too, if it could be controlled

I've been meaning to test but I keep forgetting

[lone ravine]

hows zarona compared to agri cs

[olive oar]

Use charged strike, if it triggers it's a heavy.

[dire wharf]

This is good to know

[olive oar]

They are completelly different weapons, Different blessings to makethem effective. Use special shot all the time, it shoots in a wide horizontal plane. Use flechette and scattershot to do the damage.

When targeting singles always aim down the sights, never hipfire the normal shot.

[lone ravine]

is the hipfire different than aiming?

[ruby locust]

I figured a melee Psyker would use scryer’s gaze

[buoyant maple]

It’ll get better as u learn more mechanics

Ogryn is actually on the harder side to play as difficulty goes up (which is why there’re very few good ogryn players) but good ogryn plays completely change how fights work a lot of the time

[dire wharf]

I have a feeling most probably do, I was until recently when zazy shared this build

[mortal minnow]

Oh I know the mechanics but my hands and coordination are both rather screwed up so... I'm kinda stuck out

[buoyant maple]

I think I had this

[ruby locust]

It’s amazing how similar your build is to the one I just whipped up! Great minds think alike

[buoyant maple]

U can swap stuff around tbh

Like, assail cleave is actually not bad if u use them more for horde clear

U could also do 25 stack DD with weakspot 3 stack which is better damage

But I do 15 stacks lasting 10s cuz it’s 1 fewer point to run

Stun immune does make a big difference and it’s honestly one of the best things u can get in the game for all human classes (I think ogryn sorta has the at by default?)

[ruby locust]

I chose Souldrinker for the additional crit since the Greatsword is setting everything on fire

[buoyant maple]

I play shred + unstable power for FGS

[olive oar]

The bullet spread is too different, so if you hipfire you will always lose damage, it's like that for all shotguns bur for the zarona it's kind extreme. Pellet count and such.

[olive oar]

Still not made the build but it's similar to my other build. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1063036-3b23-4c68-9de0-5da6f0f1817a/warp-lightning-battle-mage

[ruby locust]

Does Cruel Fortune mean any headshot kill grants stacks of DD, or does it still need to be the marked target?

[olive oar]

You can just change the Melee for the Illisi and change the Soulblaze talents for Empathic Evasion and anticipation

[buoyant maple]

Has to be the marked enemy

[olive oar]

Illisi you want to use with the blessings that grants strength on kill and the other that gives strength on elite/special kill, it will make your melee and Charged strike deal A LOT OF DAMAGE.

[jovial juniper]

Oh I think I know this one
Simply put enemies got nerfed over time and their stuns stopped being that effective against ogryn

[buoyant maple]

No?

[jovial juniper]

Cleavers and Pickaxes are like the only weapons that can be stopped

During windup

[buoyant maple]

huh

[jovial juniper]

Yes
Uh

Check Kulis notes on No Stopping Me!

[ruby locust]

I don’t have the fancy build maker stuff, so I just took screenshots of mine

[buoyant maple]

By crack of bone is kinda use case dependent

[ruby locust]

How so? Isn’t the idea to swing at heads the whole time? Especially with Precognition on my ability

[buoyant maple]

Because most of the time u wanna stay at high peril and BCOB makes that more difficult

[ruby locust]

True, but eventually Scryer’s Gaze is going to scale too fast. That, or the enemy density will lull, allowing it to built to 100%

[buoyant maple]

Which is why it’s case dependent

Do u care about the damage bonuses more or the crit chance more

And it’s not like SG is a long CD ability

Psykinetic’s aura uses a version of CDR that can be called while SG is active

So the actual cooldown for SG is very short

[ruby locust]

I’m trying to maximize my time in my ability to benefit from Precognition as much as possible

[buoyant maple]

me when I cook

[buoyant maple]

then u prob don't need BCOB

[ruby locust]

I’m using it to slow the scaling of SG to guarantee it and Precognition gets to 30 stacks. It will then keep me probably in the 50-80% peril range during fights. Prolonged fights will likely make SG scale too high for BCOB to handle, then I fall back on the 10 second residual it gives. Psykinetic Aura gives me back my ability, and I repeat until the encounter is done.

That’s my thought process

[jovial juniper]

Oh ok went to check it a little bit more and

I'm pretty sure I'm not running any stun immune

And ogryn isn't being stopped

Shotgunners are capable of stopping your cleaver/pickaxe with a shot if your toughness is broken

[buoyant maple]

here's the thing: u don't have to get that to 30 stacks (by default it will grow to ~9 stacks if u start at 50% peril but with kills it can go up pretty consistently to 20+), and reaching higher peril quicker means better value from warp rider & unstable power

[jovial juniper]

Ok so

Broken toughness

Mauler overheads stops cleaver windup

[buoyant maple]

that is interruption

needs a different attribute called uninterruptible

[jovial juniper]

No I don't mean on toughness breaking

No toughness

On the same setup mauler overheads can't stop bully clubs

[buoyant maple]

weird

[jovial juniper]

But

Since we're discussing that too

[olive oar]

Try the build I posted, it's built to maximize SG timer, Precognition is a 30% finesse bonus, it's relevant on some weapons only, according to your weapon choice it may be irrelevant. On force greatsword it's a base 7.5% damage increase on a weakspot critical hit.

[jovial juniper]

Not happening on bully club

Hey

How much you wanna bet this has something to do with No Respite bug

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

[olive oar]

Don't recall what no respite does.

[crisp ether]

Scaling extra damage based on stagger

Up to 140% extra

[olive oar]

Ah, stacks 7 times, if it worked. yeah

[jovial juniper]

But yeah ogryn is pretty much stun immune atm

No Stopping Me is a dead talent

Oh this would be good to know before I went full charge heavy build

https://tenor.com/view/nagi-seishiro-blue-lock-bllk-nagi-seishiro-gif-10597537029835390618

[olive oar]

This reminds me that the Devil Claw's blessing, that adds 40% damage on stagger, seems not to be working.

[jovial juniper]

It's devil claw, it's probably not working because it's devil's claw

[crisp ether]

Skullcrusher?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

Ok but like

I'm not joking

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

[olive oar]

Yeah

[crisp ether]

Huh.

Maybe I should try this out and see.

I was using dclaw with it yesterday and didn't notice an issue.

[olive oar]

Well, only noticed when testing on solo game, did not see the number go up then I thought something was wrong, but unless I'm doing something wrong I wasn't able to trigger it.

[crisp ether]

I mean

Are they getting

Ya know

Staggered?

That is kind of important to the function of that blessing.

[olive oar]

I guess they were, I tested some while ago, did not care to try it again.

[buoyant maple]

it's bugged rn

[olive oar]

I had charged strike, so they definetely were staggered

[buoyant maple]

NSM is top tier because it makes og way better at movement

[jovial juniper]

speedhead

[buoyant maple]

u can slide heavy with karsolas so much better with it

[jovial juniper]

Speedhead

🫵

[buoyant maple]

which makes u way less vulnerable vs ranged

it just unfortunately costs 2 points

if it costs 1 I'd run it basically 24/7

[jovial juniper]

So yeah ogryn is pretty much stun immune atm for some reason except cleavers and Pickaxes but only for specific attacks

Why

Idk

[frail oar]

Those 2 nodes are my comfort picks. Makes the pickaxes especially feel so much better to get around with.

And the damage reduction is meaningful you can full charge swing from gunner pack to gunner pack

[ruby locust]

@buoyant maple @olive oar @dire wharf
Ok, melee Psyker fucks. Guide was right about not needing BCOB. I am happily proven wrong about my previous assumptions about this archetype of witch

[dire wharf]

It's spoiled the rest of the game for me

[buoyant maple]

I will say tho, if u run +20% move speed during SG then BCOB's value goes up

[ruby locust]

True, but it also drops my peril when outside of SG, kinda making Warp Rider and my toughness DR perks pointless. I’ll swap it for the one that makes you immune to ranged attacks on crit

[kind jay]

try out different combinations of things. you might be pleasantly surprised at some of the playstyles

[hoary mauve]

I like the Weakspot node on DD, even with "lingering influence" , though it's prob not optimal.

It lets me maintain/regain 15 stacks much better even when I make a series of big stupid mistakes while panicking in auric.

[icy breach]

Its not about needing it
It offers nice restoration through quietude & prolonging/extending of the scriers buffs

[rigid sky]

Sounds like you don't chase the bluebois enough

Having Assail makes DD almost automaintain, even without Lingering

[wind spruce]

Use assail properly

[ruby locust]

I’m using brain burst with the add-on that makes it pop automatically on elites and specials

[rigid sky]

Yeah, that's why you aren't just automatically at 15 stacks all the time then

I mean you do you of course, but disrupt destiny has specific synergy with assail

Flayer is also excellent

Not trying to shit on it at all

[ruby locust]

I’m not worried about DD stacks

[rigid sky]

But I can't imagine going disrupt without Assail lol

[ruby locust]

I get enough with the node for longer stack duration and just swinging at heads

[rigid sky]

Oh I thought you were the other guy

My bad

Yeah that'll do it too

[rigid sky]

I should have scrolled up first :)

[olive oar]

Or try my build that already does not use Warp Rider because of that.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1063036-3b23-4c68-9de0-5da6f0f1817a/warp-lightning-battle-mage

[wind spruce]

Horrific build

[jovial juniper]

You don't get it

The game is too easy for him

So he has to handicap himself to have fun

It's pretty based

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[dusk timber]

Blazing spirit fgs

[wraith sphinx]

randomly hopped on ogryn and got this

I might be kinda good at the game

[dusk timber]

Karsolas enjoyer spotted

[hoary mauve]

Yeah, I use BB with KF, because I'm not confident with Assail atm.

[rigid sky]

Assail rewards more quickswapping during other shit

[dire wharf]

What difficulty?

[wraith sphinx]

chasm station, auric, HISTG

[royal falcon]

It's fairly easy to get the blob needed for Gone Bowling at that diff but congratulations still

you are truly the biggest and bestest

[dire wharf]

Thx

[wraith sphinx]

Thank you, I rarely play og and I'm not really knowledgeable about the class so this came as a pleasant surprise lol

[dire wharf]

Maybe I'll try to unlock that today

Narrator: he won't

[hoary mauve]

Yup, i know assail is better.

I learned garbage melee habits when starting out, tho I wasn't a smyker. So I'm focusing on my melee first, where I'll be punished. I'm at the stage where Damnation is very boring though I definitely can't solo clutch it due to weak melee.

[rigid sky]

Psyker melee is a weird thing anyway

Depending on caster Vs gunker at least

Gunker uses melee like a normal class

[deft stump]

Caster can as well, but not really made to go toe to toe all the time.

[dire wharf]

I don't trust groups that rush too fast

[wraith sphinx]

yeah they bad juju

[deft stump]

Unless you join into a 3 stack and they derp murder everything while rushing.

[drifting oar]

Or when someone is on some speed running bs and causes people to keep leaving the game, so as my zealot I stealth ahead to throw the game for him

🙂

[brave fiber]

I'm trying to get the cliffhanger penance, if anyone want to help me with that 🙂

[rigid sky]

Most casters use the staff on trash I mean

Melee is an anti-mutant/elite/boss utility mostly

[swift stag]

Rolling steel its the only way to play. I get annoyed when there's slow randos

10 minutes or less

[dire wharf]

I try my best to keep up

Shit happens though, like this morning I got cut off by a huge horde and got overrun

[rigid sky]

Rolling steel is its own beast though

Same with the hab drayko ending

[olive oar]

There's no handicap in the build, it can deal with everything the game throws at us and lacks nothing damage wise. It's funny as if high peril was the only viable strategy for Psyker. Where by using Charged Strike I far outmatch the absolute 7% damage diference that it makes when in 100%

[olive oar]

Yeah, 7k damage on a stab, excelent single target and horde damage alongside a weapon that can deal with anything is pretty bad. I'm genuinely puzzled by how misinformed and dismissive the community is about how to aproach a build.

[kind jay]

you do get shit on a lot

for what it's worth i think your builds are fine

[olive oar]

Thanks, I test them throughly and can grantee that up to havoc 30 they won't falter in any way.

[icy breach]

I see what you’re trying to do there with the zarona shotty; i salute ya to it
But the build could be better

[olive oar]

Zarona is my love, it works superbly well outside havoc 33-40. But then, what would you think that weakens the build?

[icy breach]

Not having SoA for starters (right next to the keystone on the right; use that with the shotty)

[olive oar]

That's only an amenity, the core of the build is melee and being fast.

[kind jay]

as a ranged enjoyer i liked your voidstrike build and it performed well enough. the zarona build was fun too cause i don't normally use shotguns

i can't help with mathematical effectiveness but all i care was that they got me through my runs just fine and were fun

[rich spindle]

I beat havic 29 with it

My boss damage came from light attacking plague ogre to build up blazing spirit stacks

[olive oar]

This can also work, each tick deals almost 250 damage to monstrosities. In a percentage comparison with other blessings, and when paired with a high enough crit rate that's provided by SG here, this strategy can provide better expected value than a simple increase in damage percentage.

[rich spindle]

Yup gonna try havocs 30 next

[thorn cedar]

Everybody's builds are shit because none of you run Mind in Motion, sorry not sorry

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

You guys use your talent points?

https://tenor.com/view/will-poulter-what-wait-wtf-omg-confused-gif-15444505

[kind jay]

talent points are for talented people that's why i run an empty build

[rigid sky]

If you need talents to win then you shouldn't have them /s

[tall plover]

So ive seen quite a few Psykers with Full on Palpatine builds, how does that fair in damage and how does one create it?

[long saddle]

it's shit

for you and everyone around you

and it doesn't help you being actually better at the game

[tall plover]

Ive already got a build for my Psyker that can do damage up to Auric, I moreso want something silly to mess around with on lower difficulty

[long saddle]

I don't want to be complicit in creating more smykers

[jovial juniper]

Weak Aura

Gimme one sec

2 builds incoming

[long saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[jovial juniper]

Wildfire is pretty whatever on the gaze one

[jovial juniper]

I would feel.... Something if my internet loaded that

[tall plover]

A thank you, you have helped create a problem

[marble crater]

[jovial juniper]

Glad I could help

[olive oar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1615cb0-dfc3-4615-b8f6-9c6cc6911df3/devils-smiting-claw

[jovial juniper]

The remaining points are kinda

Whatever

If you plan on smiting frequently

Still recommend picking Kinetic Deflection

Maybe even Just A Dream

[olive oar]

Show-me the way.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxz_dJ5F-BwUzgguQD-4_8knN0ommjCj99?si=9Dy-utXEsT1yuF4t

[rich spindle]

I’m excited to test skitari in the archivum hallway

[wraith sphinx]

I'm excited to skitarii

[thorn cedar]

cant wait to skitter

[spice aurora]

369 damn she fine, aah skitarri skitarri

[thorn cedar]

what does 369 even mean

[fluid aspen]

Any tips for dealing with bulwarks and crushers and monstrosities besides Duelling swords?

[thorn cedar]

what are you using

or do you want to use something else

generic advice is that you only have to dodge the overheads from crushers, everything else can be blocked normally

Bulwarks you want to avoid holding block until they're winding up a normal attack, otherwise they'll hit you with a shield bonk that consumes all your stamina and leaves you block broken

and go for the head

[jovial juniper]

Knife to the head
Obscurus to the head
Deimos to the head
Combat Axe to the head
Tactical Axe too many times to the head
Chain Axe to the head
Force Greatsword to the head

Illisi special heavy to the head

Chainsword Xiiig to the head

[fluid aspen]

In general I'm finding that it's taking a bit too long for me to deal with ogryns. Voidstrike does work alright if I can get crits off but I don't like having to rely on that because it'll not proc in a critical moment and I'll lose out to RNG

[jovial juniper]

Important to note that the force swords push attack is capable of staggering everything that isn't a boss

So you can always start from there

[iron kraken]

May i ask what to do if hitting the head isn't available?

[thorn cedar]

that's right. just give them head and they will fall before your powers of the warp

[jovial juniper]

You hit the head

[thorn cedar]

that's what they're for tbh, and weapons that can 'delete them' usually pay for it in other areas.

[jovial juniper]

What else is there

Shock Maul also hurts them

Unyielding not so much but you have Skullcrusher

[thorn cedar]

it's normal to feel pressured by the bigbois, the trick is to not collapse under stress because they're only really checking you for the same fundamentals as everything else while living longer

[fluid aspen]

Some stuff that's more Psyker? I don't really wanna use weapons I already use plenty on other classes

[thorn cedar]

Force Swords for sure then

[fluid aspen]

I haven't used the original ones in ages

[olive oar]

Electrokinetic staff ignores shields and deal nice damage to armor, so as voidblast, and voidstrike as well...

[thorn cedar]

The push attack on them is not an attack but rather a super strong single-target push that busts open bulwarks and can stop crusher overheads

the Deimos is my personal favourite, the Heavy 2 is an incredibly strong poke with enough stagger force to send literally any enemy to the ground

[olive oar]

Brain burst with Empowered Psionics.

[buoyant maple]

It’s not so much unyielding even with skullcrusher lmao

[jovial juniper]

Just shock maul things

💀

[thorn cedar]

The shock in shock maul refers to the player's surprise at its ineffectiveness.

[fluid aspen]

I have a somewhat memey build with 2 shields and EP Kinetic Resonance BB

[thorn cedar]

yea that can be fun

[olive oar]

It works

[fluid aspen]

Since that build doesn't really go for crits iirc I'm gonna look into some other weapons that also don't rely on them

[buoyant maple]

Deimos and Obscurus are fairly good for staff builds’ single target, not going into SG/DD

They’re better with those tho obv

[thorn cedar]

yea theyre just default good

you'd be hard pressed to find a build where a deimos or obscurus wouldn't fit rather comfortably

[olive oar]

Got my first Auric solo with it.
https://youtu.be/BpT9PXaV1kk

[pallid drum]

do i still go uncanny strike on dueling sword?

[thorn cedar]

You can.

[olive oar]

A little self promotion about my solo game, when I did it I was elated, but all I could think was the flaws, made many others after that one, and then went back to watch the first one that I made, that took almos one hour, I thought that it was because, well the build is bad. But then when I watched it again I saw, It was a miracle that I actually did it.
This game had more than double the normal density of enemies. I killed, without a staff, 2.7k enemies. The bots 850
Recovered from almost 3 losses and such. It is amazing that I just started to try this out because people on Reddit said that my build was the worst build they ever saw.
So if you have some spare time, go watch it, watch at 2x, it becomes really nice watching gameplay on that speed, because now I'm really proud of it.

[rich spindle]

@verbal thistle I figured out why you keep failing the psyker solo it’s cus you’re not keeping the 3 bots alive

[verbal thistle]

before I had QoL mod, and kept the bots. I'd die more often

because agro swap

lol

[rich spindle]

Splat town

[fluid aspen]

Thank you, past me

Is Executor any good? What counts as Repeated Weakspot hit?

[spice aurora]

@rich spindle i steal katze screenshot and use it for my own clout >:) he'll never know

[rich spindle]

They were right

No bubble no play

[jovial juniper]

It's sort of mid

You don't lose stacks on missed hits

But you do miss it all on body hits

And Slaughterer/Superiority exists

So like

It's there

And it exists

[fluid aspen]

I'm running Uncanny + Slaughterer on the sword at the moment, it seemed to work alright

[olive oar]

Saw one thing, 1300 kills were on the last room alone. While doing the puzzle.

[wind spruce]

Dude you need to see a cognitive specialist or something. Just because your build picks enough damage talents (aka just scriers) to make FGS hit hard doesnt mean you didnt make a bunch of objectively stupid choices

[olive oar]

Yeah. Objective, win the game, I make a build that not only wins but makes it easy. Stupid choices. Please enlighten me on what is the stupid choice, because I'm so dumb that I can't see what your eminence is talking about.

[olive oar]

Oh, now I see, you say that only scryers is the damage talent, I guess that you need to see a cognitive specialist, because you can't see Malefic Momentum, Mettle and Charged Strike.

[wind spruce]

Yep. Cognitive testing is definitely in order. Just because you win games easily doesnt mean there isnt bad choices in your build. Do you think that player skill makes no contribution or something lmfao

[olive oar]

Oh, so I'm so good to constantly win solo games, so that I have to nerf myself with a terrible build... I see. Thanks then.

[thorn cedar]

Mettle isn't a damage node <.<

[wind spruce]

No, buddy. That sentence means that just scriers is ENOUGH to hit high numbers, not that its the only damage talent you picked

Is english not your first language ?

[olive oar]

I don't recall the name, just the one bellow it then.

[thorn cedar]

But it IS a zoomy node, and more zoomies = more hitting.

Perfect Timing.

[thorn cedar]

Pretty sure it isn't.

Think you're South American of some variety but I do not recall.

[olive oar]

Yeah, I'm from Brazil. But even though, his phrase meant only a single talent was taken.

[plucky flax]

No me no engrish

[olive oar]

You speak English because it's the only language you know, I speak English because it's the only language that you know, we are not equal.

But anyway, guy comes here, talk shit and offend others, as if he had any secret knowledge. What a disrespectful person.

[dire wharf]

Bruh

Don't be dumb

[wind spruce]

No, buddy. What i said was "you picked enough talents (aka just scriers) to make FGS hit hard"

"Just scriers" is operating on the word enough, meaning that just scriers is enough to make FGS hit hard not that scriers is the only damage talent you picked.

[wind spruce]

How am i being dumb lmfao

[wind spruce]

To finally get a chance to answer this question from before you started sealioning, one of the main dumb choices is you choosing wildfire over souldrinker

Both your weapons thrive off of crits. Not taking souldrinker is regarded

[dire wharf]

You're coming across as pretty rude which makes you look stupid

[wind spruce]

Jesus christ

You should win an award for how dumb that notion is

Rudeness is not correlated with stupidity

[spice aurora]

we r the most elite species on earth there is no point arguing any of this, yall better fkin kiss and hug rn

[rich spindle]

Yes sir

https://tenor.com/view/jack-caleb-jack-and-caleb-caleb-and-jack-gay-gif-14000590802200375599

[thorn cedar]

these gifs are gonna make me perils

[olive oar]

Oh, all this because of a single talent that you regard as more important than others, while I already have 35% crit chance on melee and can up to 95% on ranged, but no, thought it is better to move faster instead of increasing crit chance by an extra 5%.

[olive oar]

Don't blow up, sibling.

[thorn cedar]

Movement speed continues to be severely underrated.

[olive oar]

If I had an extra talent point I would even take Anticipation, the extra dodge distance make you fly though the stage, it's a shame that By Crack of Bone to be so expensive if you wish to also take Malefic Momentum.

[kind jay]

i always take anticipation

cause i anticipate getting my face kicked in

[dire wharf]

Yeah!

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[crisp ether]

It's not extra dodge distance though.

[wind spruce]

No, ya clown. That's just one example. Also what are you on about moving faster? I didnt say to drop movement speed. Maybe drop wildfire instead since its utter garbage on your build, especially since its not helping proc soul drinker.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/tabieita-krot-otkr-blue-lock-bllk-gif-8640518022161481221

[crisp ether]

Yowie

[olive oar]

Oh, what a blunder, always thought that it did.

[crisp ether]

It simply increases the amount of time that you're considered dodging.

Which is still quite useful especially for FGS mind you

But no. No Scum antics.

[radiant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wC2jOSj8xU

[rustic helm]

assail is fun, feels like i'm playing a sniper with aimbot

[potent echo]

Fly, you tools

[daring epoch]

im trying to understand Melee psyker i love the idea and i love melee in games like this but im confused on how exactly do i go about it
bubble FGS makes sense drop a bubble make it your arena but with scrier i dont get it what am i doing?

[patent jacinth]

You run at things and hit them

[verbal thistle]

hit enemy

dont get hit

[patent jacinth]

And try to avoid 100% peril before 30 lingering stacks

Thats it

Apply left mouse to enemy
Win

[verbal thistle]

incorporate blocking, dodging, sliding, and stagger to dodge damage

gaze is just press F and hold W

[daring epoch]

yeah thats the part i struggle with tbh

like if i have a horde?

easy

but i usually kill everything and then im stuck trying to find more before i hit 100

[patent jacinth]

Yeah thats what happens

[daring epoch]

ok so its normal

i thought i was just being ass

so pop f melee people use wave attack at full charges wipe the screen snipe things with staff occasionally

[patent jacinth]

Yeah its just play the game but now you do like 2x damage

Shrimple as that

[daring epoch]

ty ty just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything is all

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[potent echo]

Assail2 on servoskull

[dire wharf]

This is the part I have trouble with

[deft stump]

Press R or X or whatever quell is.

[spice aurora]

Ngl just spam gaze and most of the time its worth spending ur attention on whats in front of you versus pissin around trying to keep peril low and lengthen gaze to get more stacks

Like time spent quelling to get a couple more % dmg bonuses is far less valuable than the few attacks you can get off Instead

[potent echo]

I've joined the camp where I can just press F to cast 2 voidblasts, 🤷 worth it

[rigid sky]

It's just if you find you randomly have a breather

Just tap dat R key

[leaden berry]

Gaze makes literally any Psyker build brain dead fun

[rigid sky]

Braindead if you take Warp Unbound anyway

if you don't then it's a bit spookier

[dusk timber]

spOwOOwOkieww

[olive oar]

Lol, one time I was trying things out and I play with it so much that I even forgot that I could blow up, did a push attack and blew, If people could see my face they would see the semblance of deep confusion.

[rigid sky]

I have some builds that have it, some that don't

which is obviously a recipe for disaster

no way of checking mid mission without holding that pistol to your own head and hoping it's not loaded lol

[steel flame]

I accidentally fat fingered my laspistol special 30s into a havoc the other day and blew up when I thought I should have been fine. Very embarrassing.

Ya know it's probably good that there is a delay on laspistol push. I'd for sure use it as a mini inferno staff if I was allowed to spam it

[frail oar]

I straight up forget it costs peril sometimes. Especially if I am at 100%.

[spiral fiber]

Psyker penances are so lame

[steel flame]

Still better than ogryn

[swift stag]

Cleave is your friend

[olive oar]

Funny this, because in reality psyker has the best cleave talents and blessings and yet most people don't use setups that capitalizes on these, what psyker weapons have in abundance is multi-stagger this makes a huge difference and what most people build torwards too.
Also cleave damage profile is really low on most weapons, it becomes more pronounced when dealing with hordes, but damage is still low.

[distant quartz]

How should I build the great sword?

[jovial juniper]

Precognition Riposte Shred Unstable Power

[olive oar]

Each people have their own preferences, I like to take advantage of the huge cleave it has and synergyze that with both Blazing Spirit and Charged Strike, see that this is an outsider position on this community, but I do have great results with this setup.

[jovial juniper]

Warp Resistance dump

Then Carapace Unyielding

Or if you feel like there isn't enough carapace enemies to justify

You could go Maniacs or flak

[distant quartz]

Hmm

Is it better than ilisi

[jovial juniper]

Well yes

Pains me to say it

But yes

Except for the mobility

[long saddle]

it is the best psyker melee

[olive oar]

Precognition is not a great blessing on the Great Sword, because it has a small crit and weakspot modifier damage.

[distant quartz]

The greatsword?

[long saddle]

yes

[distant quartz]

I haven’t done any mastery yet

Starts now it seems

[distant quartz]

Would blazing spirit and deflector be good

[jovial juniper]

No

[olive oar]

Illisi is bad, I've found one use to it, but I would give it a B+ or A- grade on what I've been able to pull with it.

[jovial juniper]

Deflector is alright

[distant quartz]

My psyker relies on fire

[jovial juniper]

Blazing Spirit isn't

[olive oar]

Blazing Spirit is good

[drifting oar]

buy lots of greatswords. Make them blue with hadron, sacrifice, rinse and repeat until mastery completed. Tedious but a timesaver 😉

[jovial juniper]

It's only good on Voidblast

It's trash on everything else

[distant quartz]

[long saddle]

there is one fun blazing spirit build on FGS, but I wouldn't go for it in general

[jovial juniper]

Well blazing spirit isn't good

[distant quartz]

Would blazing spirit is good on ilisi

[jovial juniper]

Only exception being Voidblast

[olive oar]

Remember when I said that I have an outsider view, it comes down to this.

[olive oar]

On voidstrike it is even better

[long saddle]

no it's not

[distant quartz]

this is the sword im running atm

[olive oar]

Try this build, You may want to change for a staff if you don't like guns.

[distant quartz]

I have the electric staff

[olive oar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1063036-3b23-4c68-9de0-5da6f0f1817a/warp-lightning-battle-mage

[long saddle]

the other two marks are better and perks are a bit too much of a crutch

[white sky]

SG smite

[olive oar]

Gotta change one thing here.

[long saddle]

also warp resistance is the dump

[white sky]

Don't like this

[long saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[olive oar]

Smite is not for holding on this build. It's for the Charged Strike damage, it really make things easy.

[distant quartz]

Why is warp resistance a dump

What does it change for the swords

[olive oar]

Since most builds relly on having high peril, making warp resistance low allows the psyker to reach higher peril easier when using the special attack

[long saddle]

warp resistance is the dump on basically all weapons that use warp

but the special sucks

so it's not to get peril faster on force swords

[distant quartz]

Same for the staffs?

[long saddle]

yes

[olive oar]

My take on most of my builds is to increase SG active timer, so I want swords with normal Warp Resistance.

[long saddle]

beside voidstrike, which is blast radius

SG timer is bait

[distant quartz]

What is sg

[long saddle]

SG is free peril

scrier's gaze

so you want to use as much peril as you can once it's free

like you can quell if there's nothing around you

[jovial juniper]

It's not voidblast so it's worse

[long saddle]

but hitting 30 seconds is negligible when you can basically stay in free peril zone almost a whole mission anyway

[olive oar]

This is a Maelstrom with a Voidstrike, You want blast radius to be high.
https://youtu.be/j10c8JSnvlo

[long saddle]

no you dump it because the decrease is neglible

it literally doesn't matter between 60 and 80

[jovial juniper]

Won't watch it
Blazing Blast is just superior

Don't worry about it

[olive oar]

If you're going for casting, but by staying in SG for longer you benefit from:
+10% damage
+10% weakspot damage
+20% toughness damage resistance
+2.5% toughness regeneration per second
+1% damage per second that lingers
If you go for the peril you'll just lose all the benefits but the 1% damage per second, and this is one of my current battles, to show that builds are effective when maintaining SG active because of all the other benefits it also provides.

[distant quartz]

So uh..what do i put on my previous ilisi

[long saddle]

try the other marks

[distant quartz]

Before i work on the greatsword

[long saddle]

try using heavies on big stuff

[distant quartz]

I have the electric staff for those

Ilisi for chaff and self defence

[olive oar]

https://youtu.be/Nz7eMFMb_7o

[jovial juniper]

Slaughterer Superiority Deflector

[long saddle]

I get basically most of this from other talents while staying at 100% peril

it is bait

but you do you, I will just keep casting

[distant quartz]

is warp ghost good? as a passive

[long saddle]

yes

it's one of the best psyker talents

because high peril is good

the sweet spot is staying at 80%+ all game

[rigid sky]

Warp Ghost is meant to be an upside/downside talent

except that the downside is upside

[olive oar]

It is pretty good, but I like to go for it when I go for bubble or shout, don't like it with SG.

[rigid sky]

so it's like triple upside since the upside is so good to compensate for the downside

[long saddle]

nah idt it's even supposed to be a downside

[rigid sky]

it's a crazy good talent

I stan it

[distant quartz]

A downside that is circumvented by holding r?

[long saddle]

yes

it isn't a downside and you can use it on literally every build

[distant quartz]

I see

[long saddle]

and often want to

like I think I only skip it on some SG builds because I want to use all of my peril gauge before SG ends

but you could just quell for that anyway

but it's invaluable for gun/meleeker

[rigid sky]

I mean you sometimes see nodes that just say +1 stamina

+2 stamina and +25% toughness replenishment is really really good lol, that's more than most nodes give

[olive oar]

It is a downside, but a manageable one on most builds, it makes staff builds extremely dangerous to control, I use it mostly on my gun builds.

[rigid sky]

extremely dangerous? it's the passive rate

if you're in any danger of overheating, then your passive cooldown isn't happening anyway

it makes your peril more controllable, which is great for warp rider etc

[olive oar]

Yeah, the passive is always working, the guy we're giving tips to certainly will have a hard time to manage this if going for a staff and Warp Ghost at the same time. We who are more experienced tend to minimize these drawbacks as minor nuisances or even bonuses. But they take time to master.

[rigid sky]

Passive cooldown isn't always working though, it pauses for a moment after every peril-up event

[olive oar]

Almost always, people are so literal here.

[rigid sky]

The difference is crucial though

the only time you're in danger is when you're casting

which is the time when it isn't active

It doesn't help you when you need it to

[swift eagle]

how are inferno staff builds atm? am thinking of building one with sg or vs. was trying to find some information and seems like bubble + inferno isn't maybe as good as either of those potential builds

[long saddle]

shriek is the way

cast aside the crutch that is bubble

[rigid sky]

I strongly prefer shriek with it

[long saddle]

SG inferno is not the way

[rigid sky]

Massive range extender

Burst DoT applicator

Great synergy with warp siphon

[olive oar]

The effect is that you have to actively quell more in order to be able to attack, unexperienced players will have more difficulty juggling enemies and casting because of this. Experienced players may benefit from this, but when people are having a hard time to dodge slide and quell at the same time, this is a major hindrance. We must look at these situations from various angles to not alienate players whom may not be at the experience level we think is the "normal".

[rigid sky]

And you have Empathic Evasion on an inferno staff, you're already bullet immune most of the time

[long saddle]

just crit for emphatic evasion

[rigid sky]

Sorry I don't buy it.

Active quelling is not an advanced skill, it's something newbie psykers should be learning already

If you want a noob-saver, it's as easy as not going bubble

Both of the other options will save you from a pop

But newbies always gravitate towards the safety blanket

Because Scrier's looks scary and Shriek's raw power is hidden in a subnode

The only times I ever still mess up and pop really, is when I'm bubble

[swift eagle]

this how inferno is still ran mostly?

[long saddle]

yes

tho I usually run maniac instead of extra cc

[rigid sky]

There are other options for perks in place of crit, but I prefer crit too

[long saddle]

can do unyielding too in that slot

[rigid sky]

Some people take unyielding

Maniac mostly just helps on dreg ragers

[long saddle]

yeah that's why I have it

[crisp ether]

I run SG trauma with Warp ghost

[rigid sky]

But it does help on those so yeah

[crisp ether]

I legit do not pop on that build ever

Without Warp unbound

Because as long as you manage to quell even a little before 100%, you're fine.

Passive quelling is rarely ever applicable in practice.

[rigid sky]

I gotta try SG Voidblast some day

[crisp ether]

And if anything it would be good for a newer player to learn how to manage their peril rather than letting the game do it for you.

[rigid sky]

I liked it on voidstrike

[crisp ether]

It's one of my favorite psyker builds tbch

[rigid sky]

But yeah, in practice peril autoquelling is a penalty, not a boon

I use bubble and EP BR right now with it, more versatile but less direct power

[long saddle]

I can't do staff SG without unbound, don't want to unlearn the muscle memory

[swift eagle]

hows that for an inferno vs build?

[crisp ether]

Unfortunately this does involve a mod but

Toggle quelling makes a world of difference here

[rigid sky]

Rely on soulblaze and base damage to safely and slowly kill things down, but have rapid fire brain burst available on demand for random elites and specials

[rich spindle]

IMO quietude is better than the toughness on warp kill node

[long saddle]

I'd swap anticipation for quietude

[rich spindle]

Toughness on warp kill is usually wasted overkill

[long saddle]

otherwise that's what I run for my build on auric/havoc

[rigid sky]

Yeah I don't rate anticipation

Quietude is awesome

[crisp ether]

Anticipation is good on FGS tbh

But not really needed

[rigid sky]

Back it up with any solid single target weapon

But I prefer obscurus

Deimos and DS4 are most popular afaik

Can use a FGS but idk since you don't need the horse clear at all

[swift eagle]

not sure what else to pick up if i drop it tbh. dont have enough points to grab kinetic deflection

[rigid sky]

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