psyker-class

[rancid geyser]

If you feel it's neccessary, take it

[icy breach]

Imagine flaming for not using a purgatus; what a pepega
Trauma is better

[rancid geyser]

dude waited until we went to get him to leave us too

and this is why i said the other day that ppl who leave need to be punished

it's annoying

playing Havoc with a bot is not fun

[thorn cedar]

That's always my favourite.

"pls bring bubble"
"nah, you can bring one yourself"
"i dont want to"
"wow funny thing about that"

[rancid geyser]

right bubble inferno is not fun what-so-ever

not even a knock at anyone who enjoys it, I just can't

[thorn cedar]

i mean ive done it

but thats the point, ive done it. i dont wanna do it again

i wanna do H40 with new builds/teams

not the same tried and tested bullshit we already know works

[rancid geyser]

wanna do it with a heavy vet?

hehe

[thorn cedar]

the hell is a heavy vet

[rancid geyser]

I wanna try my IAG

heavy as in you have to carry me

probably

[thorn cedar]

oh lol

i mean the reality is that everybody gets carried in havoc

[rancid geyser]

in the events i live, it's a fluke

[thorn cedar]

different people are just being carried at different times

no build can do 100% of the things and even someone like ainz cant 100% everything all of the time

[rancid geyser]

nah, but im not actually trying to get carried, but in order to test things sometimes you must fail with them

epicly

and find victims willing to do so with you

🙂

[kind jay]

imagine thinking people like playing the game for fun

come on man

[thorn cedar]

jorbs of slay the spire fame just put out a video that tangentially touches on that kind of thing

it was a fun listen while i walked around this morning

[deft stump]

Well, more, timezone not the issue, just... I have no idea what's happening with ping on the extreme end at times. XD

[rancid geyser]

?

there are toxic STS players?

[deft stump]

Try. Is Blight, bring beacon. Guy was no, brings book and TDR. Okay. Complains about corruption after second loss.

[frail oar]

I feel like this community is missing the plot with this frequently. If we all only played the best builds and weapons we would be bored. Variety>meta alignment.

[deft stump]

Can't do much if the oggy is dead from corruption.

[kind jay]

a lot of people play like if they lose, their pet cat will explode irl.

[misty ferry]

Understood

Playing only shroudfield DS from now on

[deft stump]

That's called playing malice with absolutely dumb builds.

[rancid geyser]

it's even worse when ppl like alchemist goes around using weird builds and still claps a map

Shroudfield Marty does go kinda hard

[fathom adder]

Gotta hit that difficulty sweet spot. The harder you gotta tryhard to win, the more toxic everyone will be

[deft stump]

As long as you have beacon, is all good.

[thorn cedar]

yes

[rancid geyser]

issue is most players dont actually try to work as a team or even pay attention to their team. They think the game should be played the same way they did in Damnation

[misty ferry]

Equipping Zealous

[rancid geyser]

and they just play for themselves and expect others to help them even if you cant keep up or want to stay in coherency or around the ogryn that has taunt

[deft stump]

Have fun dying to corruption then cos blight.

[misty ferry]

I have a 50% chance that the map is not blight

[deft stump]

It's pubs. When has pubs ever worked as a team?

Unless the reward is REAL money?

And even then.

[rancid geyser]

i get that, but it IS a team based game, going into it like it's not is weird imo

especially if you aren't cracked enough to do it all on your own

[deft stump]

It's been so since L4D. You have ppl running off all the time.

[kind jay]

if real money was on the line i wouldnt be pugging it (unless that was a condition of the reward i suppose)

with that in mind who wanna fund my darktide runs

[rancid geyser]

dies in the corner alone: Hello?!?! Wheres my team!?!?! Are you guys ACTUALLY going to play properly?!?!

[deft stump]

You are forced to work with 4-5 others from around the country. Nobody you know anyway.

Would you do it for a Million split between the 5 of you if you win?

[kind jay]

yes absolutely

if you lose you lose nothing anyways

[deft stump]

Thus, people will absolutely try to work together for basically a huge sum.

But otherwise... GL with that if they aren't like close or friends for most parts.

[kind jay]

idk man you'd just get 5 speedrun zealots or something

[deft stump]

No, I meant IRL.

[kind jay]

oh yeah

at least IRL theres the possibly of actual consequences for being a dick in a team

[deft stump]

Other than the loss of $200k

And yeah, was thinking one of those gameshows basically.

[kind jay]

well yes but lets think about it from a different perspective. technically you didnt lose anything. you simply didnt win it. if the bank took that money from your account you'd be rightly pissed.

or homeless probably rofl

with that thought in mind, its like gamers play games thinking the latter. oh i lost my dt run because of X, now the government is gonna foreclose on my grandma

[deft stump]

Many ppl play to win. It's a mindset.

Only winning matters.

Many no longer play to have fun, just that dopamine from winning.

[kind jay]

i understand that yeah. it seems miserable to me personally

[deft stump]

It can be and I know it. I just learnt to keep it internal, more so when I have nothing really to lose.

I really hate the demotion system for a reason.

[kind jay]

the demotion system def is a cause for frustration

its a game at the end of day. you cant even say that much to people cause its a trigger phrase

[rancid geyser]

yeah, I have fun win or lose, as long as i am trying and it feels like others are too

regardless of the game

I've even had fun getting my ass beat in league

competetive nature i guess

some people just want the win and only that, which is not how it should be in any sport or game. I kind of feel like this is why people dont go past Heresy

[deft stump]

It is. Very strongly for Asian mindsets tbh. Losing and failing is VERY BAD. Is hellishly toxic and well known even.

[royal falcon]

-# hence why there's so many chinese/japanese cheaters

[deft stump]

You know failure in real life means offing ones self, right?

No reason to live, worthless, better off dead.

[rancid geyser]

yeah but its a stake that lets you know when you get to the pinnacle you've done everything pretty much

it's a goal to work towards

[kind jay]

thats fair

[deft stump]

Some take that mindset into games as well because they are used to it.

But they just take it out on others when loss happens.

Because the mindset is to always be the best in some way. Doesn't matter if the entire team sucked or not.

[rancid geyser]

I used to do this when gaming. Took some time to get out of the habit applying my mental from sports and chess to games

thus the scoreboard watching

what a plague that mod is XD

[kind jay]

lol everytime i get a 40 in my aurics i mentally play the "is this guy gonna scream or not" game

[deft stump]

I hate scoreboards for most part, it also leads to the toxicity of flaming others for not meeting a margin.

[rancid geyser]

You might get me and watch me run it down a corridor and explode 🙂

[kind jay]

i would immediately flame you and report you to John Nintendo

[thorn cedar]

i will always stand by fatsharks decision to not include a scoreboard

they were 110% right

[pure plinth]

i would like to see my own scores

[rancid geyser]

scoreboards should not exist in pve games

low key

I stand by this because when you attach a number to something like a pve game people are always going to talk shit about the numbers. And they will always feel worse when wrong about said numbers

D2 is a perfect example

[pure plinth]

i think scoreboards should be limited to private teams rather than public que

[thorn cedar]

count your own numbers

this new generation, so fucken lazy smh

[rancid geyser]

nah, this gen is so locked on to 1 aspect of any given topic

the obsession with numbers is part of that

[royal falcon]

what sucks also about scoreboard is

like

shit idk just the way in which people treat any role that isn't strictly "kill the enemies"

[thorn cedar]

yes people are myopic and dumb with stats

the same issue existed in overwatch

[royal falcon]

I don't know how it is in havoc 40s but wouldn't you appreciate someone making the enemies stop trying to kill you for a second

[deft stump]

L4D2 basically had them and if you aren't highest, some people will mock back in the day. Unless everyone has same-ish lvl of score.

[thorn cedar]

"why am i gold damage im not the carry"
its because you keep shooting at the roadhog and feeding ult charge to their mercy u fukken moron

[rancid geyser]

There was a study a few years ago, Most people want to be the main character while also attaching that role with damage in video games, and this is why they chase numbers. Its why a majority of people use to queue for ADC in League or DPS in Overwatch

[royal falcon]

tauntgryns, smykers, so on and so forth

[royal falcon]

heartbreaking

[deft stump]

Is why you find 90% DPS, 6% healers and 4% tanks.

[rancid geyser]

it's like people who are into sports that only care about the shots made in basket ball

not turn overs

blocks

passes

intercepts and other aspects of the sport

[thorn cedar]

gretzky is the greatest and its because he was a team player

[rancid geyser]

just goals/ shots made

[rancid geyser]

yup

[kind jay]

i dont know yall. if im getting all the yellow numbers what were you guys even doing maaaan

[rancid geyser]

I have always been a supportive player. Comes from having a captain or leader mindset imo. Team Captains often times have to look out for other players and make sure they are doing well

it's not about being the best on the team

it's about making everyone do their best by helping them

[thorn cedar]

"heh im so good at the game, look at my 2mil damage scoreboard"
purg staff
bubble
kinetic flayer
would not exist if not for three other people peeling for them

[deft stump]

I just like big green numbers. Bonus if the heals can 'crit'.

[rancid geyser]

funny enough those numbers have changed in both LoL and OW

[royal falcon]

I mean

[rancid geyser]

its like 40% dps players in both now because pressure to perform has been increasing

[royal falcon]

In OW the healers are also DPS

mostly this bitch

[deft stump]

You know ppl fake queue for those roles to get tickets to play DPS, right?

[rancid geyser]

well support is not just healing and i respect OW for taking that stance

tanks dealing damage too is a good thing

Support doesnt mean heal, it means to help the team while doing what you can

including killing

[left walrus]

shes all legs no torso

[deft stump]

They nerfed Mercy DPS.

[rancid geyser]

OW also made it that anyone can reduce healing by damaging now too

so now every one can actively get kills

which is good

[deft stump]

I mean, normal. People only want the best for 'carry', if your DPS is worse than the enemy, why play DPS?

[rancid geyser]

Carries can carry in a multitude of ways, not just doing damage

but just being a threat that can do so

or be a more supportive one like Jhin

[deft stump]

Depends on game. Usually it means PoS 1.

Guy who kills everything while being protected/buffed/etc.

[rancid geyser]

Pos 1 is a dota thing only now i think

[deft stump]

Is main DPS in MMOs.

The best DPS on the team.

[rancid geyser]

now in other mobas carry is legit just who has the most damage and gold at the time. Positions are intended slotting, but not how a game might actually turn out in other games

Dota 2 is a bit different than other games that came after it.

and even then Pos3 was a carry a lot of the time

even Pos 2

invoker

axe

timbersaw

tiny

there is a big list just for Dota 2

oh and naga before she got gutted

[deft stump]

2 is. Mids are usually early carries, may win you the game or buy enough time for Pos 1 to come online.

[rancid geyser]

OD was often a pos 2

OD would often continue to scale and often harder than a pos 1

OD use to be bullshit

[deft stump]

Usually.

[rancid geyser]

same for Storm Spirit

[deft stump]

Some scale better than others, but they usually are there to win midgame.

[rancid geyser]

and Ember

[deft stump]

Or at least win enough that Pos 1 can farm and take over.

[rancid geyser]

Phantim Assasin

Sniper

Gyro

the list is too long

Positions are just designated rolls to who gets the farm at the beginning and can shift based on who is going to be the best shot at winning imo

[deft stump]

Then again, I play SEA.

[rancid geyser]

because ive played enough games back then to know Pos 2 and 3 are also carries

[deft stump]

Where, PA, SF, Spectre, Lion and Bara is a legit comp.

[rancid geyser]

been had a SF mid, or timbersaw put me on their back

[deft stump]

And btw, that was a farming for Aghs Lion.

[rancid geyser]

wtf is thath?!

[deft stump]

I was playing Bara as Pos 9.

Because I wanted offlane and the last guy decided Spectre was a good idea.

So our lanes got fucked.

It was literally, Lion/PA off, SF mid, Bara Spec bot.

_>

[rancid geyser]

bro that team was scuffed after they went PA SF

leaves 3 slots for flesh out the team

hard support, soft support and a possible tanky frontliner

and yall got a friging spirit breaker?!

[deft stump]

We won because I just used my body to keep the Spec from being ganked. Am too poor anyway. Boots and all the wards killed my funds.

[rancid geyser]

lmao

oof

[deft stump]

That was back when wards cost money.

[rancid geyser]

they dont cost money anymore?!

lmao

learning from League

that change happend like 7 years ago in league

[deft stump]

The joke is, I was first pick. Bara offlane ganker.

THen PA got picked, then Lion, then SF, then...

[rancid geyser]

not Spirit breaker soft support

or are we talking about 2 diff bara?

[deft stump]

I originally wanted to play pos 3 ganker.

_>

Tell me, who of that comp can play pos 5 that isn't Lion.

Or well, Pos 4 that isn't Lion.

Lion rushed Aghs but played more like a Pos 4.

[rancid geyser]

uuh, imma be real with you Lion is worth being pos 3 over spirit breaker

the damage and items is worth more having it on him

especially dagon builds back then

[deft stump]

Yes, why no complains. THing is. PA/SF/Spectre.

[rancid geyser]

i would have just reported the spectre lock

frfr

[deft stump]

PA can play a little supportish if they want to, dagger was still funny harass from jungle.

But they need farm to do things.

[rancid geyser]

Pa is 100% a pos 1 imo, sf pos 2. that specter is a piece of shite

ngl

[deft stump]

So I took it on to just Pos 9.

[rancid geyser]

i also saw that SF raze scales with souls damage bonus now too

looks insane

watching raze still take 50% hp in mid game is wild

[deft stump]

All I remember is, PA and SF carried early/mid. PA built for midgame instead of late.

Lion just ran around fingering things.

[rancid geyser]

ayo

gotta say that in a different way

lmao

[deft stump]

What? He went around R-ing things?

[rancid geyser]

ulting is fine too lmao

[deft stump]

And I was told to babysit that Spectre just incase.

[rancid geyser]

did yall win i dont think i read that anywhere

because teamfights seem not possible with that comp

[deft stump]

We did. PA/SF literally carried.

Spec just did Spec things at 40 mins.

[rancid geyser]

what was the enemy team XD

[deft stump]

The enemy team wasn't geared for 50+ mins.

[rancid geyser]

no cc?

[deft stump]

All nukers.

[rancid geyser]

tf....

[deft stump]

Or casters.

SEA DOTA.

Pub DOTA.

[rancid geyser]

is that bad?

[deft stump]

Can be.

You can get 5 carries vs 5 carries.

Cos nobody wants to play support.

[rancid geyser]

back then i as around 3900 mmr

so its not like i was great at the game

why would SEA servers be that bad?

[deft stump]

Ah, ranked. I barely played it.

Heard it was worse than getting cancer.

Unless you 5 man.

[rancid geyser]

it was the numerical system you had to google because actual ranks didnt exist yet

just the numbers

[deft stump]

Oh, I know.

THey call it ranked and unranked, remember?

[rancid geyser]

mhmmm

[rancid geyser]

yeah, at the rank i was at, snowballs started getting prevalent

like you could actually lose by 27mins

which is kinda short for a dota 2 game

or was back then

not sure now

[deft stump]

I dunno. I basically stopped playing the PvP side to play Co-op custom games.

Where I just solo'd near impossible odds cos ppl left.

[rancid geyser]

i remember games going on for 1hr, sometimes averaging at 1hr 30

[deft stump]

As a caster doing like 0.1% hp damage per cast.

Because I hated losing.

[rancid geyser]

oh when i tried some of those they didnt seem too alive

[deft stump]

And I WILL solo Epic Boss Fight because I can.

[rancid geyser]

maybe i tried the wrong workshops

[deft stump]

No, I do not care I'm on a subpar nuker.

Or running memes like caster TB.

It's actually just illusion TB.

Illusion SPAM TB.

You trade 2-3 slots for CDR and such.

Mind you, most of my nonsense builds are so glass, I will die if anything touches me, let alone spell nukes that hit in 0.12 secs.

I missed having reflexes like when I was younger.

[rancid geyser]

sounds like a psyker

[frail oar]

You two might need to get a room

[rancid geyser]

i gush about DOTA my bad

i will be going back to work soon

[frail oar]

Im just kidding but it is leaning zealot chat just need more meme gifs

[deft stump]

Funny thing is, I play vet more in pubs.

[rancid geyser]

vet is my second most played class, because P.Sword is Peak

[deft stump]

Look, you are just listening to madness that happens once in awhile. High peril.

[deft stump]

It's still the legit competitive MOBA. Everything else isn't cos you need to pay or grind for heroes.

The moment you paywall chars is the moment I call your game casual at best.

[thorn cedar]

deadlock deadlock deadlock

[deft stump]

That came after, also Valve made it.

[frail oar]

Far Far West Invincible

[deft stump]

They likely know best that selling cosmetics is the best way to do things.

[rancid geyser]

i still think league should do away with grinding for champions. It completely bars people from understanding the game at a base level

[deft stump]

Are those even MOBAs?

[rancid geyser]

its why i swapped to dota for the few years that i did

[kind jay]

far far west is cowboy drg

yeeha

[rancid geyser]

DRG??!?!?!

[frail oar]

Im just parroting zealot chat

[deft stump]

A.K.A. Not MOBA.

[kind jay]

not moba but definitely yeehawwwww

[deft stump]

I think Invincible is a Fighting game as well.

[frail oar]

Far far west is cool af

[frail oar]

[rancid geyser]

says far far west is an extraction shooter

the trailer makes it look like a rogue like

or rogue lite

[frail oar]

It is a comic/show first SIR

[deft stump]

Is that or it's a VN.

[deft stump]

We are talking games here, so obviously not talking Comics/show.

[rancid geyser]

yeah new invincible is a fighting game

but they dont really make good ones anymore

most fighting games release in the last 15 years have been low in depth

[deft stump]

Is just SHINY.

[rancid geyser]

new Street Fighter goes in a good direction tho

and tag fighters, most of them are just kinda bad

though i do understand fighting game do need to have a good entry point to people new to the genre

Arc sys Blue and red teams destroyed fighting games for me

same for Project Soul

[deft stump]

Too many are either too complex or just spam and win.

Former sucks if new, latter sucks if you are used to older ones.

[rancid geyser]

i think Blazblue is a good starting point imo

basically BlazBlue, Guilty Gear Xrd, Underknight Inbirth, and Soul Cal are the only Fighting that take skill to play

uuuh the new Street Fighteris actually surprising too tbh

[deft stump]

I stopped playing past MvsC2.

So, AGES ago.

[rancid geyser]

that one is good too, but lower floor and ceiling

i think tag games are trying to get to that point without being too old

[deft stump]

Is just combo till enemy ded or something.

And I basically only play Team Xmen, specifically Storm, Psylocke and Rogue.

[rancid geyser]

sometimes, I think older fighting games do have a higher focus on neutrals, confirms and actual combos

most in modern day have short as all hell follow ups to confirm off of

Street fighter being the main exception

[shut kettle]

What is a good low level build for the force greatsword psyker?

[deft stump]

Gunker but more melee nodes is usually the best bet. Check the big book of builds.

[shut kettle]

Where may i find said bool?

[deft stump]

THe thing is, you are better off just spamming assail till 30 before doing builds.

[shut kettle]

is it pinned?

[deft stump]

Yes.

[frail oar]

Assail is cracked for leveling

[deft stump]

Is why beekeeping is perfectly normal for newer players once they survived their first match.

[shut kettle]

Imma be honest - everytime i see asail i think it's like if gambit threw pool noodles at ppl

it's kinda funny but good

[frail oar]

Reminds me more of the guardians of the galaxy dude with the arrow

[rancid geyser]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?usp=sharing

decent templates

[rancid geyser]

Yondu XD

[rancid geyser]

bro the event is heavy, legit was the only one alive for 80% of my last run

sheesh

[frail oar]

OGRYN REPORTING FOR DUTY

[rancid geyser]

but you are ina full party 🙁

[frail oar]

Im not even online

But I will be

[rancid geyser]

oof, i might have misplaced your name

who be big slappy?

[frail oar]

Im just regbixby on steam I think. There's an oggy on here named big slappy havent seen him around.

[rancid geyser]

hmm im trying to remember the name

i feel bad XD

[frail oar]

All good we did a few rounds of an event. We had that one racist guy johnpork we had to report.

[modern narwhal]

does assail fall off after malice? rn i feel like a god

[buoyant maple]

if u build for it, not really (it stays op cuz psyker is op)

[rancid geyser]

yeah....

unsavory AF

[hallow vector]

its basically fps megabonk

[buoyant maple]

It’s roguelike but u can set the some of the cards u load in with

[deft stump]

It works fine still on Heresy. Damnations might be when decent builds and minmaxxing buffs start to be required to still kill fast.

[unreal yew]

how do deal with ragers using force great sword?

I can kill them doing 2 heavies but I can't control them when a bunch of them come

[deft stump]

The special.

Will stagger them.

Even at no charge.

[unreal yew]

hmm, I use the special mostly to do damage and increase peril

didn't know it could stagger

[deft stump]

It's really strong for a reason.

[kind jay]

it staggers anything that isn't ogryn (useful to stop disablers you can't reach behind a horde). and you can un-dog someone from behind walls

but the best use is firing it right at people's faces and blinding them

and accidentally-but-not-accidentally hitting barrels

[rancid geyser]

special into poke is what i do personally

the stagger sets up poke for free

if you are using the other mark you can shove into poke

the shove also staggers if you get them before they attack

[rich spindle]

In real game typically best move is to either out range them with the very end of the swords reach, or if there’s too many switch to ranged and shoot them while backpedaling

[rancid geyser]

no such thing as too many ragers for FGS unfortunately

[rich spindle]

Usually you don’t want to waste charge meter and/or the animation would leave you vulnerable at that moment

[rancid geyser]

because special is a guarenteed stagger every 3 second

[rancid geyser]

ragers arent usually in your face

[rich spindle]

Truth nuke

Mods pin this

[rancid geyser]

spam like im playing smash until they are dead

dgaf, ragers are annoying

probably the only enemy i recommend empty special on

ive tried swapping to ranged sometimes when i''m entrenched but i see them coming, and it always ends up with me getting chipped

[thorn cedar]

me casually walking away from all ragers with my 65% movement speed boosts, quelling

i am experiencing severe executive dysfunction at the moment

i think the reality of being unemployed is really sinking in

[crisp ether]

Listen and learn. They are minding and motioning at the same exact time. 🙀

[thorn cedar]

normally i would just go out and do something to unfreeze myself but all those things cost money and i no longer have income and i am second guessing all of these normal tendencies

at least im not fukken smoking anymore, so that's a plus

[urban meteor]

Is there any other way to increase Quell speed? other than Solidity?

I'm looking to have like 0 Peril Res and just moan it away in 1,5 seconds, it's more profitable than wasting some points on resisting either way

[thorn cedar]

That's really it as far as Quell speed goes, yeah. Other than the bar modifier on staffs

[thorn cedar]

I love when YouTube updates its ad distrubution system and completely fucks my shit up lmao

"Experiencing interruptions?" yeah and if I give in to your nonsense I'll just experience even more

thankfully i need only click a single button and now you think im in Gambia

[rancid geyser]

Well, the highest quell speed you can obtain would be in 80 quell speed, Scrier's Gaze with the bottom upgrade and Solidity. This would also constantly build Peril.

Funny enough you Can stay comfortably in Scriers Gaze for about 2 min (might actually be more) if you take Emyric Resolve

Do I recommend it? No!

[red maple]

should I be mag dumping my assail charges during warp unbound window or just weaving 2-3 charges in between melee loops?

[thorn cedar]

both

[wind spruce]

Yes

[potent echo]

I usually take assail CD for this reason

[vocal tendon]

How good is the melee voidstrike scriers hybrid?

[potent echo]

Melee to stack trueaim, swap to surge voidstrike

(don't do this)

[wind spruce]

Four

[vocal tendon]

Very Nice

[plucky flax]

My in game chat is dead.

[deft stump]

RIP. No more yes/no spam.

[cosmic sigil]

Yes

[deft stump]

Is a normal thing when playing with Chaos. And always confusing.

[plucky flax]

I can still spam.

[summer prairie]

nice you made the server crash

(no idea what caused it to crash)

[plucky flax]

Yeah I got hard crash.

Well not hard crash. Mission aborted.

This sucks I'mma go jog insteaad.

[summer prairie]

same

[deft stump]

Proof.

[wind spruce]

Scriers extremely strong
Melee extremely strong
Voidstroke strong below havoc

Voidstroke

[deft stump]

You get a stroke trying to use it?

[wraith sphinx]

Sibling let's go bowling

[cosmic cobalt]

I want you to stroke it

[dark karma]

I feel i am owned by rushers (typically hive scum going through next checkpoint ) would it be actually safe to follow them

[rich spindle]

9/10 times psyker can survive whatever hive scum pushes into

[cosmic cobalt]

10 billions poxburster

[radiant frigate]

why not do this

i love this

[potent echo]

[rigid sky]

pack 'em in tight enough and a venting shriek will sort that right out

[quartz barn]

Me spamming trauma rmb

[dark karma]

Yes but it obviously makes the run more difficult so that s why I was wondering if running with them was the way

[wind spruce]

Absurd lack of sound queues until specials are right on top of me tonight

[boreal jetty]

Question about the, Electro Kinetic Force Staff.

Its dump stat alternative type being, the Charge Rate --

Is that set to the 500-upgraded-maxed 60 stat?

Or is it set to being as low as possible, along with, low-as-possible Warp Resistance stat?

[deft stump]

It's for m1 only EK.

You aren't going to charge it unless to emergency stun anyway.

[boreal jetty]

So I can upgrade the Mk1 to 500 then?

[deft stump]

No m1 is lmb.

But yeah, max 60 for it work for the times you actually need the stun.

[boreal jetty]

Gotcha

So 500 for that particular chage staff mark.

[deft stump]

Not mark.

It's playstyle.

[boreal jetty]

Yea, that.

[deft stump]

Rmb is m2, lmb is m1.

500 works.

[rancid geyser]

There is no benefit to having charge rate lower than 60, like literally none. Realistically the main dump stat you should be aiming for is the warp res as all the other stats do have their uses, warp resistance mostly being antithetical to what you want to be leveraging between your talents and blessings

If you get a staff where you can get everything else at 80 but warp res lower than 60% with a charge rate deficit of 60 or lower, I think it would be alright as the only 80s you actually need are the damage and crit bonus with quell speed following behind those 2 for surge usage.

Charge rate leads to slightly faster activation of channeled force -- both being more damage regardless of what anyone else tells you. Channeled force being the go-to talent if not using Souldrinker as Souldrinker is a dead talent if not playing with someone using a Soulblaze mechanic.

[thorn cedar]

Specifically with EK M1 you don't really care because there is no charging the left-click.

The benefit of Charge Rate on all staffs though isn't just that you cast faster but that the cast is made cheaper (casting cost is a function of time, it is not a fixed value)

[deft stump]

Why I said, only used when emergency stun required.

[thorn cedar]

ye

[wind spruce]

Its not antithetical its just the weakest stat

[thorn cedar]

If you literally only M1 (which i do, i find the right click borderline useless) then it may as well be a nonexistant stat

[wind spruce]

If it was antithetical you'd be aiming to have it as low as possible

[boreal jetty]

So low-charge EK staff is like the Plasma Gun 69/71 stat situation then? With Warp Resist as left low as possible, plus, Charge Rate being dump-set 60?

[wind spruce]

No its not like that

You just have to pick a lowest stat. For an m1 build that choice is charge rate bc its the weakest stat for the build

[deft stump]

No, your warp resist is like your ammo, you just have a buff when you get closer to 'empty' if you think about it.

[kind jay]

i regularly cycle rmb for cf but i still dump charge as the difference between 60 and 80 is 0.1sec

[deft stump]

Except you don't empty out, you go boom if you aren't careful.

[wind spruce]

And by lowest i dont mean as low as possible, just that something has to be 60

[rancid geyser]

fair maybe a bit of a wrong choice in words

[rancid geyser]

only if you arent taking channeled force which is just the most efficient pathing if you arent taking PC

just passing up free on demand damage at that point

and yeah, the cheaper costs

realistically difference between 60-80 warp res is 5 shots from 0 peril, which you will most likely not be at past the opening section of a mission, and the diff between 60-80 charge rate is a few frames that adds up in damage and amount of activations you can get off of CF

[hoary vapor]

But what do you need warp resist for

If you’re stronger at high peril

[rancid geyser]

exactly

that and most ppl use SG with EK just for the loop not the value of being in it

[kind jay]

crack gaze

must have purple tendrils on screen at all times

[jovial juniper]

This freak cracks gaze

[boreal jetty]

So then, I'm fine to 500-upgrade this Electrokinetic Force Staff I got, with a dump charge rate of 60 & warp resist to 80?

[deft stump]

Yes. It's fine. If you really just want to skip the 5 shots, just rmb once into the air.

[boreal jetty]

k

[chilly moth]

Hi guys. Im going for going out with a bang penance with psyker. Playing on Ps5. Im pretty new and psyker is level 4. How do i burst my psyker that he explode to kill elite.
LT is Charging and RT is burst ing someones skull. What do i need to press to explod my psyker?

[dusk timber]

Use anything that generates peril while at 100%

[earnest furnace]

Bombvest Spyker is an absolute vibe

[jovial juniper]

Very concerning vibe

But surely one

[earnest furnace]

manic laughter is i rush into the rager horde

Altho you might still die for that

Does Spyker overcharge take priority over regular down? Or does the explosion still go off, just without revive on kill

[rancid geyser]

You probably just die while exploding assuming they don't actually kill you before priming

[earnest furnace]

I am awaited by the Emperor's side

[kind jay]

crystalline will keeps you up but you get a one full corruption wound if you dont kill an elite

you insta die will full corruption as usual

[fathom adder]

Try to blow yourself up in the giant rager pack and the scoomer RPGs them right before your voidbomb goes off

[rancid geyser]

Wouldn't blame them

Trying to meme was the cause of failure

[kind jay]

thats why you bring triple wound curios. go all in on the meme

and make sure you only kill bursters by exploding yourself

because two can play at that game, nurgle

[earnest furnace]

counter suicide bombing the suicide bomber holy (emperor) flex

[thorn cedar]

cant kill me if i kill myself

[hoary mauve]

Saw someone doing that. Interesting

[chilly moth]

What could that be? A weapon? Sorry pretty nooby on this game.

[hoary mauve]

Your blitz (assail/brain burst), special attack on your force sword/greatsword

[earnest furnace]

basically, while your at 100% peril, using anything that generates more (bliz and weapons) will make you explode

any staff and force sword can generate peril, any melee weapon with a parry can also generate peril

[ripe obsidian]

Not if I kill you first. Where's my VT2 Bounty Hunter pistol?

[cosmic cobalt]

bop bounty hunter is peak until you need to kill more than 1 specialist from 10m away

[dusk timber]

literally anything that increases the percentage counter thats in the middle of your screen

[thorn cedar]

DWARF HUNTING!

[cosmic sigil]

He always said No to my Vacuum Capsule. Man has no pity. Well that was a long time ago. Before Havoc. Glad to see he hasn't changed.

[urban meteor]

Then maybe I'll actually have a good deal of Peril Gen

Res*

And save Gaze for a little something else of a build, for a Blitz one, I'd rather keep Vent or even Shield

If I'm not misinterpreting, Scrier's is the deal for weapon damage

Not to mention how the cd works, just not ideal with BR

[rancid geyser]

Scrier's Gaze is all damage, not just weapons and not just attacks

technically

anything that does damage, can hit weakspots and can crit is affected by it

scriers is all so survivability

Since it gives toughness damage resistance and toughness generation

[rancid geyser]

BR works for Scrier's Gaze

given the top upgrade and how scriers actually gives weakspot damage, which BR always does

[radiant frigate]

false and untrue
headsplosion is always a weakspot hit but it doesn't have a weakspot multiplier
so sg/dd finesse damage has no impact on it
the straight +damage does ofc

[rancid geyser]

not the finesse damage, the actual weaskspot damage multiplier, which notably is not finesse.

[spiral minnow]

is surge good for example on voiblast?

or i should rather take blazing for soulblaze shenanigans

[radiant frigate]

not to say that headsplosion doesn't work with sg builds (it does) but it's because KF is insane

[radiant frigate]

only affects the little bolts on voidblast, not the blasting itself

so no

surge is good on voidstrike and EK

[spiral minnow]

pity, double explosions could be interesting xD

[radiant frigate]

for sure

[hoary vapor]

what is that.

[radiant frigate]

what's what
headsplosion or sg

[hoary vapor]

kf

[radiant frigate]

kinetic flayer subnode for brain burst

[hoary vapor]

oh that

fair and balanced imo

needs 1s cooldown even

[jovial juniper]

Should low key interact with your CDR talents

I'm ngl

[radiant frigate]

surge blazing spirit would be funny with true aim
melee a little bit and then fire off a guaranteed doublecrit blast that instantly applies 6 stacks of soulblaze in a giant area

[rancid geyser]

oh eeew so thos larg hits im getting from KF are legit just from the damage bonus of SG and DD?

+35% damage should not be doing that much

[radiant frigate]

also any weapon perks

like +25% cara or unyielding

and warp rider, and malefic momentum

[rancid geyser]

yeah that makes sense

i was just testing it with a blank slate, BR by itself

just gets +10% when in scriers is what i would like to say

from 1350 to 1499, this is an 11.03% increase not 10 lmao

not sure where the extra 14 is coming from [me thinks it's the 1 stack of SG that is unavoidable]

i have no bonuses on the tree im almost certain

[tired panther]

Best build photo for fast head burst's?

[rancid geyser]

too bad it's a blitz

[kind jay]

dont have a pic but you just get both bb nodes, ep, and double shield

[jovial juniper]

You need the highlighted ones

Everything else is whatever depending on your build

[rancid geyser]

doesnt KF still stack on regular BRs?

noticed when i was using it i would get the odd 2k ish damage

[jovial juniper]

Yes but it's whatever

You can pick it

Or you can not pick it

[rancid geyser]

no im not advocating for it tbh

just was making sure

[jovial juniper]

No real reason to not pick it though

[rancid geyser]

BR feels horrible to use

[jovial juniper]

Free damage

[kind jay]

why hit one brain cell when can hit two brain cells

[rancid geyser]

it do be free

[jovial juniper]

Specially when PC procs

So you get a 2 for 1 every 15 odd seconds

[rancid geyser]

yeah, was talking about this yesterday

PC is just free kills when using KF

[kind jay]

the bb build is kinda funny to use in event map tho

just neverending ep bb

[jovial juniper]

I played 99% of the match with "hands only"

It's peak

Played 2 builds

One with ep

One with WS

WS kinda

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

BB without EP is 🥀

[rancid geyser]

sounds painful

KF should just be the blitz and BR should be the upgrade that allows you to do it manually

see how many people would take it XD

[kind jay]

the node will be the mortis version where it hits 10 enemies

and it affects kf

because fuck it

[rancid geyser]

now that i think about it BR is the worst feeling blitz\ability to use

like actually

[kind jay]

the charge up is the culprit

[rancid geyser]

pay off too tbh

[kind jay]

i'd unironically weave it into combat if it was always instant and just a short cd

[rancid geyser]

in other games BR basically staight up kills any target

it was like that in the beginning of DT

well almost

and the HP inflation also kind of shafted that feel

enemy spawn increases also make it feel like shite

when there are 6 crushers and 5 bulwarks and i have BR why tf would i use it knowing it will take 3-4 uses to kill 1 enemy...

[kind jay]

make it a nuke like ogryn nade or rocket launcher

[rancid geyser]

eeeeh for BR nah

BUT

[kind jay]

would that crash the game? if like 80 heads popped all at once

[rancid geyser]

like in Rogue trade there is an upgrade that makes sense

the one that spreads it around

real talk BR would be better if you could aim it then prime it to build up for a trigger or something

as is, it's just a 2 point tax for extra damage ever 12s

[kind jay]

i dont have many ideas outside of memes

an aoe node, a big ass nuke, or forcing babyshark to play in their head

[rancid geyser]

i realized that the mortis trial comment you made is pretty similar to how it works in Rogue Trader

[kind jay]

yeah thats the one i think woud legit be fun to use

[thorn cedar]

is that ..... not the right click

oh wait no i get you now

[rancid geyser]

I mean like setting it on a target and having it build up on its own with no limit

would still be slow

but not as cumbersome

[rancid geyser]

iirc this was something from dark heresy too

[thorn cedar]

yea the idea of having it multiple targets isnt new but like

damn would be nice

at some point though its just a +10% damage bonus node but with lights

[rancid geyser]

BR is supposed to be like one of the last abilities you learn in that tree

and legit should be powerful

because it is

[thorn cedar]

like i find kinetic flayer borderline inexcusable from a game design stand point, but when it comes to in-universe power fantasy, hitting a dude with your stick and having they head go boom is pretty cool

[rancid geyser]

this is also somethign from dark heresy and is in Rogue Trader

whish is funny

this might be the only game ive seen BR suck so much ass

Hitting something with a psy ability and having BR basically nuke or kill them isn't new

[thorn cedar]

cause this game is not turn based

or well

slow in any fashion

[rancid geyser]

that's fine the cooldown basically fills that

[rancid geyser]

it was at one point

[thorn cedar]

nah just slower

[rancid geyser]

then yall started making pools of sweat and FS got mad

[cosmic sigil]

rip sedition

[thorn cedar]

it was still accepted that Brainburst sucked, it was just a means to gain warp stacks

because that used to be the ONLY way

to gain warp stacks

[kind jay]

bb was just there to highlight heads for your vet

[rancid geyser]

i was mos def one of those vets killing every blue halo i saw

unapologetically too

[kind jay]

i started with ogryn so it didnt bother me cause i thought i'd main oggy

ek ruined the game for me. yes old ek. i never found a weapon i liked more

[tired panther]

I have diffrent one for now. Propably better still a lot more risky

Got 7 heads in 7 seconds achivment

From only brainburst

[rancid geyser]

didn't like this weapon much until the update on the tree XD

before then i pretty much did not like any staff

Zapping things and shrieking was basically me just using the one staff that seemed cool

[kind jay]

i enjoyed it even when it was weaker and hit what 4-5 enemies

[jovial juniper]

Don't worry about the in between talents on that one
I just built it like that to highlight the core talents for fast bb

[rancid geyser]

it hit more than 2 enemies at one point?

thought it was always the generic 1-2

[jovial juniper]

Ek was smite before it was a blitz

[kind jay]

yeah it used to hit more

[jovial juniper]

💀

[kind jay]

i think it was 4? i cant recall

[rancid geyser]

eeew, please tell me someone can share a video clip of the gameplay

[tired panther]

Scrier's Gaze+Empowered Psionics

[wind spruce]

Uh literally day one it was an issue how many elites/specials werent oneshot

[tired panther]

+a lot more to cold mind

Crazy amount of heads busted still you are every 20sec close to your own head explode

[rancid geyser]

I can see that being an issue. It's underwhelming for one of the most iconic psyker abilities

[jovial juniper]

I don't have one but I have this little snippet from the trailer

https://youtu.be/gLB1C33suH0?t=75&si=9osSd7DM3T_qlC7C

[rancid geyser]

wtf

[kind jay]

ohh yeah it had the sound too

[jovial juniper]

It shocks some bruisers then flayer kills one

[rancid geyser]

why did they lower the number?!

and it sounded cool

also reminds me of how bad KF was

killing RANDOM chaff

[kind jay]

no one knows

[jovial juniper]

That showcase also has psyker using Hsword

[tired panther]

Any tip's for Clifhanger penance?

Push 7 enemie's from cliff with psyker

[radiant frigate]

yeah but it did give you warp charges

[rancid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-hate-always-gif-18852948

but now it's cool

[wind spruce]

People used to never shut the tf about this

[jovial juniper]

Then one day psyker got Hsword and no one and I mean no one, no exceptions, used it

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

Absolute poetry

[kind jay]

still waiting for soulblaze pistols. they should look like drakefire pistols and smell like dwarf farts

[jovial juniper]

Scum's fent shot but blaze

[kind jay]

hahah hey thats what they should do with br

makes you rupture your own head because using it makes me wanna do that

[boreal jetty]

Some Psyker Staffs, has instead 6 weapon blessings instead of the usual 10?

[rancid geyser]

I dont think 10 is the usual number

there are weapons with 8 blessings and 6 blessing

its just however many FS gives them

but yea some have less options

[night plover]

howdy psykers

so, looking to get another penance, the gaze one where you need to kill 40 in a single use of the ability

I assume you want to do precognition and warp bound?

[rancid geyser]

or just reality anchor + solidity and get your kills easily and slowly over time

[night plover]

you only have 20 seconds tho, no?

[rancid geyser]

no

you have as long as it takes you to hit 100%

well yeah i guess

[night plover]

WAIT

[rancid geyser]

my bad but its mostly you just need ot be in it

[night plover]

so I can just use gaze, and do melee?

[rancid geyser]

^

yes sir

[night plover]

oh yea, I see ends at 100 percent

...that is a super good ability for those that love melee

[rancid geyser]

super good ability for those that like nuking

[kind jay]

its just super good

[jovial juniper]

Yes you can just build the bar on force Greatsword
Then activate gaze and Warp slash some horde

[night plover]

well multiple hordes it sounds like lol

after that one all I gotta do is damage a monstrosity 50 percent

ohhhh okay, I see, so the entire time you gain peril so you want stuff that also quells

welp first time trying and goti t

[rich spindle]

Generally the best way to play psyker is to be as aggressive as possible without dying. If it’s too difficult to keep up with some people, that’s ok, just try to be at your max capacity constantly

[chilly moth]

Anybody gotta good build for psyker penance going out with a bang, cliffhabger and not even close?

[urban meteor]

I mean for like, maximizing uptime on Kinetic Resonance

And BR is a little expensive on peril, if you do two on Scrier's you already have to quell

[low merlin]

I wanna make a build for an absolutely pathetic character. I wrote lore for one of my Psyker characters and now I just wanna make a build that shows his pitiful nature.

[deft stump]

Ah, yeah. He answers in Yes/No to everything for most parts.

[deft stump]

Thing is, guy also run PC/WF on a basically meleeker build.

[pulsar cedar]

why is she sitting like that Bro

[wind spruce]

If you're doing a brain rupture/kinetic resonance/scriers build you should just let your peril hit 100% and cast during warp unbound

[wind spruce]

Does ws damage actually affect BB? I thought it didnt but im only like 80% sure

[rancid geyser]

no, i was already corrected on this

i had to actually check it

[rancid geyser]

the numbers i was seeing, I always assumed that it was. its just the SG stacks adding up on it with other modifiers. Since BR takes 4-5 business days to deliver i was always getting a sizeable buff from SG

[wind spruce]

Yeah i think i remember BBing something with 30 stacks scriers with and without precog to test it

[rancid geyser]

crazy how much damage you get off of a random KF

shit slaps

[wet monolith]

She's shy

[rancid geyser]

she's embarrased about the things she's about to do in the name of the emperor

[wet monolith]

Casting itchy balz!

Reading this and seeing my profile pic...this is fire

[earnest furnace]

Do you atleast want him to be viable/playable at higher difficulties?

Cus i got a silly build whose entire point is to be a living tazer, permastunning enemies with smite, but you also shatter like glass the moment a poxwalker as much as breathes on you

Who doesnt like 30 seconds of uninterupted smite?

[thorn cedar]

most

[earnest furnace]

Therefore its perfect

#psyker-class message

[main crow]

Those are the players I ditch to be mauled by ragers

[rancid geyser]

they are still better than inferno users

at least 100% better

[main crow]

Nah, I’d rather have an inferno user then a smyker

[deft stump]

One at least kills, the other is just annoyingly useless.

[rancid geyser]

you are a 100% worse than those that use inferno staff then 🙁

[main crow]

Sure the inferno user is boring but they’re also usually bad enough that they don’t kill everything either so I have plenty of stuff to murder

[deft stump]

Had to carry 2 of them one expedition. My spine is breaking from the load.

[rancid geyser]

idk if smite is useless, lmao, but i wont deny it being annoying

[deft stump]

How are they so bad that I was doing more at 300 ping than them?

[serene stream]

Only thing smitker has over infernal, is that they can cc crushers. I can stucklock ragers, suppress gunners, melt flak and maniacs and poxwalker hordes get thanos snapped, with inferno.

[deft stump]

Not when they are dead.

[rancid geyser]

Inferno, I feel like, doesn't actually do damage if the team is actively killing targets

[main crow]

9/10 times the smyker doesn’t know how to play the game. So they’ll stunlock enemies in terrible spots like open fields where your teammates get gunned down

[deft stump]

Or on the floor every fight because they fail to cover their own blind spots.

[serene stream]

I've done smyker, I've been around when the electro staff use to be mini smites and not a tazer

[rancid geyser]

oy, I'm not really defending them, dw

[main crow]

me watching the sneaky mauler overhead a smyker

[deft stump]

There was two, why couldn't they just face each other and smite then?

[serene stream]

Yeah, inferno can be boring but at least it's actually killing things, while smite makes everyone do the safety dance

[main crow]

thinking required
smyker

[deft stump]

Nope, both down, I'm now soloing cos the zealot is running off to loot.

[main crow]

Good job Mr Smyker, you’ve stunlocked the single crusher you could’ve just stabbed with your dueling sword

[jovial juniper]

Keep smiting soldier 🗣️

[deft stump]

While failing to notice an ABSOLUTELY NOT STEALTHY MAULER.

[serene stream]

The electro staff would've done a better job against the crusher. And it usually takes an entire peril to do, but still kek

[rancid geyser]

in all fairness, not to be that guy

but legit if they are smiting and the team isnt killing

yall are just as bad

not to be too rude

[crisp ether]

There's nuance to this.

[rancid geyser]

shit legit should just be dead on screen if smited unless you are trolling

[crisp ether]

Smite can make it actively harder to kill things in a reasonable time

With misuse

[earnest furnace]

Smyker def isnt a good build, i just thought it was silly and also fit what the guy was going for

[main crow]

It’s more fun to speedrun when there’s a smyker to see how big the horde gets so there’s things to fight while the smyker sits in his safety corner

[serene stream]

My job as inferno is to melt things and keep them off the teammates, while they get the objectives done. I usually play support psyker so I run bubble and cd reduction and such.

[rancid geyser]

even in havoc, the only time its hard to kill something is if there is a monster literally sitting in front of everything i want to aim at

if its a crusher pack sitting in front of you smited

kill it

same for bulwarks

same for maulers

[crisp ether]

If I'm playing a melee build, and I have to stretch out to actually engage the target

[rancid geyser]

same for ragers

[crisp ether]

That's making it harder to kill them.

[rancid geyser]

it's honestly not a valid argument if im being fr, but if yall wanna troll them then i can let that rock

[earnest furnace]

Do people actually use smite? I know people use it for melee psyker just to have the electricity DoT

[rancid geyser]

if you are on melee struggling to kill things, i would say dont melee. There are actual melee classes -- pick your damn staff up

shooty stick be shooting

[crisp ether]

If I'm on a melee build.

Why would this imply I'm playing psyker?

[rancid geyser]

because there are some weird psykers in here

lmao

[earnest furnace]

We are in the psyker chat

[rancid geyser]

^

[crisp ether]

Yeah but I was throwing how Smite can be detrimental across the board in a game

Not solely for psykers.

[earnest furnace]

clearly the voice in your head Arent loud enough

[crisp ether]

When I play say

Something like Zealot

[rancid geyser]

people do try to use it in havoc and it IS annoying, never seen it in h40 though, and i never want to see it there

[crisp ether]

I want the enemies to funnel into me so I can proc my buffs and handle them in a reasonable time. Now, if smite isn't constantly going off, this isn't an sisue.

[hoary vapor]

lowkey

i gotta understand

does the inferno staff even have single target damage

[crisp ether]

But if it is, the enemies don't funnel. I'm not getting my dodge procs. it actively makes it harder to kill those enemies in a reasonable time in those occasions.

[earnest furnace]

Nah, altho the primary and secondary fire do have different uses

[hoary vapor]

i only use smite for the electricity on melee on my melee psyker build

[crisp ether]

I say this, only for people who constantly do it.

[rancid geyser]

Soulblaze, technically

[earnest furnace]

Primary fire has stronger stagger from what i gathered, so for inferno you want to spam M1 for elites and specialists, and M2 for hordes

[crisp ether]

It's not the same if the person is actually smiting at actually beneficial times.

[hoary vapor]

interesting

[hoary vapor]

so its mid against just one enemy

its really just cleave machine

[earnest furnace]

Yhea, it can stagger ragers out of their combo

[crisp ether]

No.

It ignores cleave entirely.

[hoary vapor]

yeah i know

unlimited cleave is what i mean

[crisp ether]

Not even that.

[rancid geyser]

NO

[hoary vapor]

hit everything on screen

[crisp ether]

Because that still implies crushers can block it.

[hoary vapor]

if on screen is now blue

[crisp ether]

It just bypasses the mechanic completely.

[hoary vapor]

eh true

[rancid geyser]

you can stack it on any tanky enemy then apply your stacks of uncanny

it's basically free damage

[hoary vapor]

so its always about uncanny

☹️

[serene stream]

My main issues with inferno are crushers and monstrocities, due to the former having carapace while the latter having FAT HEALTH BARS

[rancid geyser]

uncanny carries soulblaze damage, so in the case of inferno, yeah

[crisp ether]

If you wanna make your soulblaze do damage to crusher specifically, yeah.

It's not really necessary for anything else.

[hoary vapor]

unfortunate

[serene stream]

I went forcesword, so I could knock back crushers that are getting into my face.

[earnest furnace]

Doesnt inferno literally have a blessing for shredding armor?

[crisp ether]

It's pointless except maybe for something like

Rotten Armor

[rancid geyser]

i mean if you are already at 1adm each point is +0.25% damage

[crisp ether]

Soulblaze ADMs are sickeningly good across the board for anything except carapace. And 20% isn't really enough to warrant taking up a blessing slot for it when there are just better options.

[crisp ether]

You don't really need that with how ridiculously fast soulblaze can propogate though.

[rancid geyser]

it's always beneficial

always

[crisp ether]

It's really not.

[serene stream]

I had swapped out brittle for more crit based on peril, the other day, for this exact reason. Why gimp my damage to do slightly more against carapace? also dropped rending based on peril talent, for same reason.

[crisp ether]

At least not enough to actually warrant worrying about it for anything but crushers.

But Uncanny Soulblaze on crushers is still bonkers so that's reason enough.

[rancid geyser]

bulwarks

[crisp ether]

Because Uncanny is an extremely broken blessing.

[rancid geyser]

maulers

armour ragers

[crisp ether]

I have

[rancid geyser]

corrupted armour

[crisp ether]

Never used a soulblaze heavy build

And had any issues

with any of those enemies

Even without Uncanny

[hoary vapor]

inferno ds shield psykers

buzz lightyear gif

[crisp ether]

Soulblaze just propogates itself so fast that the small incremental increase in damage for anything but carapace is truly just not noticeable enough to worry about.

[rancid geyser]

base game or havoc?

[crisp ether]

Havoc.

[rancid geyser]

i highly doubt that

[crisp ether]

Dude psyker is my second most played class lol

[serene stream]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-buzz-lightyear-woody-toy-story-woody-no-signs-of-intelligent-life-anywhere-gif-15119122985246693366

That crusher you were least expecting.

[crisp ether]

Inferno doesn't need uncanny to already be good at everything but carapace. It just needs Uncanny to enable it to be good at carapace.

[hoary vapor]

what exactly is the uncanny interaction

NO forget that i could literally just read

[crisp ether]

Uncanny affects DoT damage.

[hoary vapor]

WHY

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark

[hoary vapor]

thats insnae

[rancid geyser]

uncanny applies rending which increases the attack damage modifier. ADM affects your damage and basically converts any modifier past 1 [100%] to convert to extra damage done on top of the increase, which is part of what people abuse with it

[crisp ether]

Because Fatshark

Trust me

[hoary vapor]

w psyker

[serene stream]

I had dueling sword before, called it my "Can Opener"

Honestly, this event has been so much nicer than the rumbling giants event.

[crisp ether]

Uncanny (at least knife and ds versions), has needed a nerf for a while now.

And I thought them making a nerfed version with shivs would mean they were gonna finally do something about it.

[serene stream]

my cd reduction is moisterizing, in their lane, with the current event.

[crisp ether]

But, expecting Fatshark to actually do something healthy for the game is

[hoary vapor]

shivs still top tier tho ✌️

[crisp ether]

Kind of a hopeless endeavor

[jovial juniper]

They also made toxin top tier so it doesn't really care about nerfed uncanny interaction

💀

[crisp ether]

I don't even run Uncanny on shivs lol

[rancid geyser]

toxin is very fun

still needs bit of support imo though

like 1 or 2 more talents

[crisp ether]

It seriously doesn't.

I really don't want them to buff toxin anymore than it already is.

[rancid geyser]

You can support something without buffing something directly

nothing wrong with more options

unless being pessimistic

[urban meteor]

I'm genuinely annoyed by the older Covenant model, like, why

[crisp ether]

I don't even think it's pessimism. The recent rework gave toxin some synergies that amass crazy results as is. Toxin is in a place where even giving it the slightest push right now is dangerous.

If anything.

If more talents are released to synergize with toxin

Toxin itself needs a looking at.

It's kinda silly how strong toxin is right now.

[rancid geyser]

Nah, it's not as blatantly broken as soulblaze so i can't say I agree with that

[crisp ether]

Soulblaze is broken for a different reason.

It's Psyker's tree and how it enables ridiculous amounts of propagation.

[rancid geyser]

as well as how it scales with stacks

toxin is more balanced because it's linear

[crisp ether]

Along with having something that just gives out the DoT for free through literally any enemy coverage.

Also doesn't need uncanny to just do damage to crushers

[serene stream]

I dropped the "deal 3-4 stacks of soulblaze to those around elites and specialist kills' talent but kept the 'spread 4 stacks with each death, on enemies near the target that died to soul blaze' one, cause melting hordes in less than a second was always funny to me

[rancid geyser]

pretty sure wildfire caps at 4 stacks and cant put anything past 4 stacks

but im not a soulblaze user so correct me if wrong

[serene stream]

Even something I didn't know. owo

I've actually got a mod that lets me keep track of how many stacks of blaze I have on enemies and seen it up like crazy, when the poxwalkers around them get melted.

[rancid geyser]

ty

[serene stream]

but yeah, no more than 4 stacks. if 5 or greater, it's only 4.

[crisp ether]

Never pick Wildfire over Perilous Combustion.

Wildfire is only an option if you have Perilous Combustion already.

[serene stream]

the elite/specialist one is PC, right?

ah

That's an easy fix

[rancid geyser]

Yeah Wildfire can add up to 4 stacks then PC will add another 3 per proc

[deft stump]

Still terrible if your only source of soulblaze is PC.

[crisp ether]

Didn't say it was always a good option.

[jovial juniper]

Toxin is the best base dot in the game

https://tenor.com/view/festthefestivefest-morgone-jones-morgan-jones-tweaking-tweak-gif-14491782401479632016

#buffFire btw

[rancid geyser]

nah but like, make it betterer so if i want to build around it in H40 i can just stay on my needle pistol and use nothing else

like i can on staff 🙁

paint the town green

[wind spruce]

You pretty much can with desperado

[rancid geyser]

?!

i guess the rending and ranged damage helps

I usually use stimm supply for the rending XD

[hoary vapor]

bro needs rending

[rancid geyser]

"need" is a strong word

toxin has damn near a 1.0 or higher on everything

anything that is below 1.0 is at 0.9 so the 15% rending brings the adm to 1.0 and gives you a 1.25% damage increase on top XD

[cosmic cobalt]

I thought rending can't bring your adm over 1

[rancid geyser]

it doesnt

it brings ADM up to 1 and then every 1% increase past 1.0 nets you 0.25% damage increase

so like Soulblaze being used against unyielding with full uncanny gets a 30% damage increase against them at mac stacks

on top of the 1.5 adm that it has against that enemy type iirc

[wind spruce]

No i meant because you get so much free ammo

Ranged damage doesnt affect toxin

[rancid geyser]

from what i remember all damage mods that affect ranged and overall damage affect the initial shot

[wind spruce]

No one cares about the initial shot

Its irrelevant

[rancid geyser]

im just putting out there!

don't shoot!

also this would affect damage on monsters

🙁

[hoary vapor]

guess why someone would have 3.2k critical hits...

[rancid geyser]

INFERNO

[hoary vapor]

it almost pisses me off how good it is

[rancid geyser]

Soulblaze could use a tweak, but why would FS ever touch the blatantly broken?

[hoary vapor]

I mean arbites got nerfed

[deft stump]

It was more a bug for most parts. And absolutely poor coding for the second.

[hoary vapor]

What about plasma gun

That got nerfed

[deft stump]

You need to air quotes that. You use it the same way as before, just don't shoot at hordes.

[jovial juniper]

Plasma gun got nerfed?

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-blue-blue-blob-huh-gif-6366077418007324757

[deft stump]

Cleave nerfed to 18.

So ppl can't pewpew hordes anymore.

[hoary vapor]

Yeah but it’s something

[jovial juniper]

Still the highest non infinite cleave ranged weapon in the game btw