psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

I use the red path, but yellow also works

[wraith sphinx]

@ripe obsidian could you perhaps make it so your mod detects if you're actually playing psyker and doesn't record data if you aren't?

[ripe obsidian]

I can try to do that, yes.

[wraith sphinx]

tyty

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I thought it already did that, but I didn't really test it last night. Was too tired.

[rancid geyser]

this is what im trying atm on warp siphon

i lied

i took the rending instead of scaling toughness

so far the cd difference between stacks and no stacks is only noticible if i have 1 or 0 when i use the scry

[ripe obsidian]

Would not recommend the rending node

[rancid geyser]

IM ON SURGE

srry caps

[buoyant maple]

Crushers are 6500 in auric, 9750 in havoc

[ripe obsidian]

EK ADMs:

Electrokinetic, Voidblast, and Voidstrike LMB:
Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 60%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 10%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 60%

Electrokinetic RMB (main damage):

Unarmored - 100%
Flak - 100%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 90%
Infested - 100%
Void Shield - 75%

Electrokinetic RMB (interval damage):

Unarmored - 75%
Flak - 75%
Unyielding - 100%
Maniac - 100%
Carapace - 50%
Infested - 75%
Void Shield - 75%

Rending only helps on Unyielding and Carapace for LMB, and only somewhat on RMB

The amount of rending will not make LMB good against crushers or bosses

Might have a smol impact against bulwarks and reapers

Generally eh

[buoyant maple]

Warp rending is unfortunately ass

[spice aurora]

update: shock maul scriers in h40 does negative boss dmg , i max stack DD max scrier, headshot a cspawn

and i dont even know if the hp went down xD

[jovial juniper]

Uh

Yes we know shock maul sucks against bosses

[rancid geyser]

IDK feels noticable

[jovial juniper]

💀

[viscid apex]

First time trying psyker with smite and ngl its rlly fun

good support

[jovial juniper]

True

[viscid apex]

Can smite hitstun monstrosities tho

[jovial juniper]

No

Nor deal any significant damage

So if a boss is present with no horde threat just use your melee or ranged

Whichever one you brought for bosses

[buoyant maple]

That’s a lot of effort for below avg performance lol

[viscid apex]

most of my dmg is my greatsword tbh

[rancid geyser]

that's me just preping a fair test

lmao

[viscid apex]

i use bolt pistol for gunners or anything thats far away

[buoyant maple]

It’s just not worth taking

[rancid geyser]

aye

say that

but the diff is deff noticable

like very noticable

[jovial juniper]

This will do

[buoyant maple]

On an enemy that’s better deal with via melee anyway

Yea it’s just not worth

Same reason onslaught isn’t worth on vet

This is not even as good as onslaught

[rancid geyser]

YOU

ARE

TROLLING!

[buoyant maple]

No?

[rancid geyser]

only doable because of onslaught

stop with these takes man

the time it takes to kill ANY carapace or unyielding with small damage hits is vastly different with onslaght

stop trolling

[buoyant maple]

Yk u just melee 2 hit him right

[viscid apex]

what the helly @_@

[buoyant maple]

Onslaught just worthless

[rancid geyser]

the gun

not the melee

and that 2 shot

was only possible by the small boost

i've tested it

[buoyant maple]

Why do u need to shoot crusher with gun anyway

Waste of ammo

[rancid geyser]

waste of ammo to shoot on vet

you're a troll

[buoyant maple]

Didn’t we play before?

Was ur vet name smth like Tyrone?

Forgot

Deadshot recon with +9 stamina and did 1/3 my damage

[rancid geyser]

when testing

nice

[buoyant maple]

Somehow I’m the troll?

[rancid geyser]

yes

[buoyant maple]

lol

[rancid geyser]

because you actively lie and tell non truths

here and with your math the other day

[buoyant maple]

What did I do this time

[buoyant maple]

This was peak

[rancid geyser]

he just straight up doesn understand systems

same guy that thought toughness gets harder to remove as you get hit

[buoyant maple]

I was outside and got some numbers wrong

Sorry

And then the correct maths proved me right

[rancid geyser]

it wasnt just numbers b

[buoyant maple]

What’s wrong I don’t get it

Are u this upset over me being right in the end?

Damn no answer ok

[ripe obsidian]

I'm always upset when you're right

[rancid geyser]

rather play than converse with a troll sorry

[buoyant maple]

Yea I can get that tbh

[buoyant maple]

How am I trolling this time I don’t get it

I was being so nice the last time and going through the maths and correcting myself with ur help

[rancid geyser]

if needed when i'm done i can link the whole convo and rest of chat can see

[pale prairie]

Good thing it’s not that often

[buoyant maple]

What did I say wrong this time

Going 100% peril with SG and only getting 2.1k dps with crit strings is below avg performance when ur melee can 2-3 hit crushers fairly reliably with way less investment

Psyker is just that op

[pale prairie]

Nobody is trolling pretty sure

Why is there screaming

[buoyant maple]

Majority of psyker warp attacks have high ADM across the board and carapace is just better dealt with via melee most of the time

Onslaught is not worth on vet

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark repassed some filters lately

And also that's just attack grunts

Savant goes

"Demon!"

I really love it

[pale prairie]

Huh

Funny

TTK IS a thing in the game

[buoyant maple]

If I was trolling I’d be saying obvious bait things like “let’s nerf psyker toughness from 125 to 50”

[rancid geyser]

iAPPARENTLY NOT TO SOME

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/being-serious-benjammins-doesnt-find-it-funny-he-did-not-laugh-he-didnt-laugh-gif-16400265240766933987

[pale prairie]

I do think meleeing is faster than warp attacks for carapace (except if you have BB+KF proccing)

Actually I think that procs off melee too

[rancid geyser]

Which i would normally

the post was to show just the base diff with and without the rending

[pale prairie]

Oh so rending being beneficial to warp attacks?

[rancid geyser]

^

m1 specifically

[buoyant maple]

It makes a difference but not a big enough one to be worth taking because 2.1k dps with SG linger + max peril + crit strings is simply not good enough

[pale prairie]

Wait is this about PoTs? Where is the rending coming from

[buoyant maple]

Yea POTS

It’s not worth taking

[pale prairie]

Lmao

It’s beneficial but the scarcity of talent points mean not worth

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is not good for LMB builds. It does have an effect, just not one worth taking.

[buoyant maple]

But ofc I need to be ignored because apparently I’m trolling

[rancid geyser]

ofc

[ripe obsidian]

Path: known troll

[rancid geyser]

you said it does nothign

and its pretty noticable

[pale prairie]

I mean…….youre famous brother

[rancid geyser]

but its not the first time ive thought youve had ass takes tbh

feels tide and wrong tide all over

[pale prairie]

Alright let’s calm down

[ripe obsidian]

Path: known ass taker. He stole my ass, and he'll steal yours, too.

[buoyant maple]

Im prob stupid but I don’t think I explicitly said “it does nothing”?

[pale prairie]

No need for derogatory stuff. This is quibbling over details.

Pots has an EFFECT but it isn’t really worth it to have compared to other shit and tools the psyker has

Agreed?

[buoyant maple]

I am quite famous for being vindicated at the worst times

[pale prairie]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-5111338745644474401

[ripe obsidian]

A relevant word to this conversation is "mumpsimus"

[pale prairie]

That’s exactly…..uh what I was talking about…..

[buoyant maple]

I told playtester “inf las needs ~40% more damage”

“No way path ur high”

FatShark the next update: buff vet damage by +70%

Ok man I guess I wasn’t radical enough

[ripe obsidian]

How are you not a playtester at this point

[buoyant maple]

Uh

[pale prairie]

Hey my dad is fatshark and I said buff the inf laser

So you’re welcome

[buoyant maple]

They not looking for more atm + some people prob don’t like me + some people think me dumb (tru) + other things idk

[ripe obsidian]

Alas.

[pale prairie]

Lacks people skills

/s

[ripe obsidian]

I would think they'd extend an offer to someone whose guide they pinned on the launcher for a while

[buoyant maple]

I’m significantly more radical on the “most things need buffs” side

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-michelangelo-totally-radical-radical-cool-gif-3396908717548610325

[buoyant maple]

More so than prob everyone frequenting this server

[pale prairie]

What you? Taking extreme takes??? Never in my life….

If Rashad gets nerfed I know who’s fault it is though

[buoyant maple]

Anyway I still don’t remember me saying POTS rending does nothing

[buoyant maple]

It will likely not be because of me tho

[pale prairie]

I am saying this seems like a miscommunication thing

[buoyant maple]

If it gets a rework it might be?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-see-responsibility-own-life-blame-you-gif-21648470

[buoyant maple]

Either playtester/fatshark had same opinion as me or they listened to me

But VoC in its current state is pretty close to what I had sent to them in an early draft

[radiant frigate]

when

[buoyant maple]

Patch 1.9 bound by duty, vet bottom right talents give pretty consistently ~70% more damage than before

The chat of me saying inf las needed ~40% more damage took place somewhere around havoc 2.0 maybe? Can’t remember

[pale prairie]

Can’t believe they still open your emails

[buoyant maple]

Oh I don’t email them

[pale prairie]

“This guy again”

[buoyant maple]

I whinge to playtester in dm

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-18234786473894858127

[jovial juniper]

I would be a horrible play tester

Which is why Fatshark should choose me

[pale prairie]

Yeah you’re already a horrible player……. /s

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/chimutan-chicken-cillian-murphy-peaky-blinders-gif-15173158631897442446

[pale prairie]

I love chicks

[buoyant maple]

Me complaining (frequent)

I’ve been bugging them about the absolute state of vet bottom half since patch 1.9 lol

I told XXXX it’s not good enough
They tell me it’s good enough
Patch drops
It’s not good enough

[jovial juniper]

Maybe you have to change your tactics to mass brain washing

[pale prairie]

He whinged so we could have fun

[jovial juniper]

cough cough Hsword cough cough

[pale prairie]

Hahahaha

[buoyant maple]

Why do u think I keep saying nerf psyker toughness to 50

[pale prairie]

It’s funny it had a whole rework and is now just passable

[jovial juniper]

#buffGunlugger

[pale prairie]

Goodbye ammo

[jovial juniper]

Double every ogryn weapon ammo reserve

[buoyant maple]

Noe

Half rumbler ammo reserve

[jovial juniper]

Then we'll postpone the right side tree buff for later

[pale prairie]

I’ll be sad not being able to play because of rumbler explosions killing framerstes

[jovial juniper]

If they made the more ammo talent give 100% more bullets.....

[buoyant maple]

We’ll see
Tbh even if I get into playtest you wouldn’t know about it unless someone else says path is tester

[pale prairie]

And I wouldn’t believe them

[buoyant maple]

Yea there’s just no way

[pale prairie]

Exactly

Not possible

[buoyant maple]

The only thing worse than buffing undertuned weapons is admitting that path was right

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-gif-5440327

Literally me

[jovial juniper]

They'll never admit they don't know their own game

[buoyant maple]

Oh they don’t need to admit anything

[jovial juniper]

cough plasma 9 cleave cough

[buoyant maple]

Just the people thinking I’m dumb

[pale prairie]

Look being made a playtester doesn’t make you right

It’s worse

[buoyant maple]

Which I of course am

[pale prairie]

It means your opinion is valued

[ripe obsidian]

Keeping secrets from me. </3

[buoyant maple]

I could make an effort to tell ur wife’s boyfriend if that’ll make u happier

[ripe obsidian]

I don't have a wife

[pale prairie]

Boom

Now path looks like a fool

[buoyant maple]

Oh, too bad

[pale prairie]

Can’t be right all the time

[buoyant maple]

Yea I’m frequently wrong

[pale prairie]

Damn he’s right

[ripe obsidian]

If I had a wife, I am sure her boyfriend would be a Cool Guy. And it would probably be a negotiated open relationship or polyamory or something.

[pale prairie]

You would make a spreadsheet and flowchart

[ripe obsidian]

Probably.

[buoyant maple]

Why not flow her charts

[pale prairie]

To help explain it of course

[pale prairie]

You uhhh are a real hit with your target demographic huh?

[buoyant maple]

Disinformation is only good if I’m the one spreading them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[frail oar]

Spread some sheets?👀

[buoyant maple]

Ur words, not mine

https://klipy.com/gifs/devious-evil-cat

[pale prairie]

Bet these excel one liners are real hits at the local in person bar

[frail oar]

Man I love cats

[rancid geyser]

they tried 😂

[buoyant maple]

That one was an oversight that got reported fairly early on, think kuli caught onto it before I did

[pale prairie]

I mean it’s NOT a nerf

[buoyant maple]

Either kuli or tyr or exhillious

[jovial juniper]

If they knew their game they wouldn't have done that

[buoyant maple]

Yes but yk their code is like arcane shit

[rancid geyser]

it still feels bad to me, ngl

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[jovial juniper]

That's because they didn't buff Gunlugger

[rancid geyser]

probably being harsh on it

[pale prairie]

I never play gunlugger sooooo

[jovial juniper]

#buffGunlugger

They just brought back PBB bot from pre rework ogryn

[pale prairie]

If they do this I will have to endure so much whining about it though

So not worth

[buoyant maple]

U should be thankful they didn’t break stagger calculation a second time and accidentally make thunder hammer not dogshit for another week

Because that would definitely be horrible

Surely

[rancid geyser]

im just saying there is a 1 minute ability on Ogryn that shouldn't be 1 minute

[pale prairie]

Man Thammer could be so cool

[radiant frigate]

imagine if thammer didn't suck

wild innit

[pale prairie]

Damn you trying to give zealot a reason to live?

[rancid geyser]

buff thammer special by 1.5 and give it small aoe

more lore accurate

[pale prairie]

Buff Thammer but remove it from zealot and give it to Psyker and hive scum

[jovial juniper]

It's not the special

[buoyant maple]

Yea TH could be a really solid weapon it just needs buffs in light attack damage, heavy attack damage, cleave damage distribution, maniac stagger ADM, smiter carapace ADM, smiter first target damage, block cost, activated light attack first target damage, activates light attack carapace ADM, activated heavy attack first target damage, activated heavy attack carapace ADM and reduction to self stun duration

[jovial juniper]

🚬

[pale prairie]

Just cause

[jovial juniper]

Honestly psyker hammer would be too broken

[radiant frigate]

my zealot has a reason to live and it's relic blade shroudfield

[jovial juniper]

And solve psyker bossing problems

So do it

[radiant frigate]

psyker already has fgs

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pitch-meetings-super-easy-barely-an-inconvenience-ryan-george-funny-gif-658826521867628650

[buoyant maple]

Of which there are none

[pale prairie]

But imagine having to decide between them

[radiant frigate]

does it still overkill the fuck out of the first target and send the rest flying

i thought that was adressed

[pale prairie]

So it’s happening then right?

[jovial juniper]

You're probably thinking of ironhelm

[buoyant maple]

Crucis heavy sweep does ~900 on first target flak weakspot and only ~200 on second target flak weakspot (with 25% flak damage perk)

[jovial juniper]

The hammer no one invited

[pale prairie]

Next patch SG activation causes psyker to pull out buffed Thammer

[jovial juniper]

🛍️

[rancid geyser]

ALSO. has anyone seen the leaks?

[buoyant maple]

Yea admech in 3-4 months

[jovial juniper]

Yeah yeah trans weapons and all

[pale prairie]

Is this timeline even remotely real?

[rancid geyser]

?

[radiant frigate]

next patch activated thunder hammer is added as a blitz for psyker

[jovial juniper]

Transonic weapons

[pale prairie]

Boom

[rancid geyser]

i dont think i know much about 40k, what are those

[pale prairie]

Game fixed

[rancid geyser]

aaah ty

[pale prairie]

Lmao

PANIK

[buoyant maple]

I mean
WH skulls in 1~1.5 months
Where they can reveal the class
And they did say 2nd major update of 2026 is new class

Now obviously I know absolutely nothing about the new class cuz that would be ridiculous

[radiant frigate]

i wonder what the new class is going to be

because i feel like there is very little design space unoccupied right now

[pale prairie]

Huh even with summer vacation coming up? I bet reveal comes but maybe December new class drop

[buoyant maple]

No there should be 2 other major updates after the new class

[rancid geyser]

i still want more enemy types

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/why-would-you-say-that-brooklyn-nine-nine-how-could-you-say-that-are-you-sure-doubting-gif-16987557

[jovial juniper]

Imagine a power sword but sonic

[buoyant maple]

Both scab and dreg could use 1 more melee elite unit

[pale prairie]

Should be huh?

[buoyant maple]

Especially dreg

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-thumbs-up-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-2828495562840839493

[rancid geyser]

i googled it the moment you responded

XD

[buoyant maple]

For the past 3 years it’s been 4 major updates per year

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-evil-sonic-evil-sonic-licking-lips-licking-lips-gif-2719707929499039839

[wraith sphinx]

sawnick

[pale prairie]

Gonna just give all zealot weapons and book to ad mech in addition to sonic weapons

[radiant frigate]

dreg mauler
scab ogryn rager (full carapace)

[buoyant maple]

2026 first is expeditions
Second is class
Third & fourth we don’t know

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm Ogryn rager would be scary

[buoyant maple]

Ogryn rager could be cool

[jovial juniper]

They put the 808 on a sword

[buoyant maple]

I mostly like the melee elites’ balance atm

[pale prairie]

True

It feels good

[buoyant maple]

There’re specific things each enforce & counter

Dreg rager is fast but predictable and can be cleaved

[radiant frigate]

like for example dreg ragers fuck you

[buoyant maple]

Scab rager is overall slower but less predictable and counters cleave

[radiant frigate]

and scab ragers will fall over if you doink them in the head

but not if you hit them in the chest

[buoyant maple]

Mauler is really slow but counters cleave really well and forces dodges out of u

[radiant frigate]

and crusher crushes

and bulwark wastes your time for other more dangerous gits to come in and ruin your day

stra-tegy

[median furnace]

Crusher hides the sneaky Mauler behind him.

[frail oar]

I'd take the same elites but different melee movesets

[pale prairie]

Don’t forget the rot armor

[radiant frigate]

no no crusher hides the trapper

crouching crusher, hidden trapper

[pale prairie]

Pouncing dog

[buoyant maple]

I think it’d be cool if Dreg mauler used chainsword instead of chainaxe, and did 2 relatively fast attacks that don’t instantly down u like scab mauler overhead but made it so you need better dodge timing or use stamina for block to avoid both hits

Smth in between a rager and a mauler in terms of melee pressure, but didn’t counter cleave like the scab units

[radiant frigate]

and then occasionally they use this move on you like helldivers chargers

[frail oar]

Does it have flak or carapace armor?

Or just maniac

[buoyant maple]

Idk I’m making it up

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[buoyant maple]

It’s an enemy I think would be interesting to fight

[radiant frigate]

dreg mauler could be flak unyielding

[buoyant maple]

I’d actually rather it get maniac + unyielding

No flak

[pale prairie]

Bruh his job is to message playtesters not balance it

[frail oar]

Im asking what his vision is

Not what its balanced by

[radiant frigate]

this makes a little less sense to me

since both of these are generally varieties of uncovered gits

i was thinking like flak helmet a la dreg bruiser and rest unyielding

[frail oar]

I like maniac unyielding

[buoyant maple]

Could be like, some body parts have mutated beyond what’s considered “maniac”

[frail oar]

I don't think there's a unit with that atm

[buoyant maple]

Cuz yk, dreg rager, mutant and chaos spawn all have green canisters on their back

And they’re not all maniac

[radiant frigate]

yeah but 2/3 of them are

and the third is a boss

[buoyant maple]

Yea so smth in between

[pale prairie]

Isn’t mutant all maniac?

[radiant frigate]

i think making it unyielding is a good pick

[radiant frigate]

it is

[buoyant maple]

I think flak’s balance is fine atm and we don’t need more flak units to encourage flak perk on weapons even more

Unyielding would be good ye

Cuz most carapace-capable melee weapons’ choice come down to flak vs unyielding, and then carapace

[radiant frigate]

could maybe take some design from the shield cw they added to vermintide for the maniac unyielding concept

which has like an exposed stomach

as a secondary weakpoint beyond the head

[buoyant maple]

And I think currently flak wins for most weapons that don’t kill bulwarks slow

[radiant frigate]

mayhap

i generally just put cara unyielding on if i expect the weapon to be dealing with both crushers and bosses

since other things are somewhat easier to take down

[buoyant maple]

Cuz unyielding is kind of a win-more a lot of the time if it doesn’t make u kill bulwarks noticeably faster

[lethal vigil]

Trying out the great sword for the first time, what are my hoard clear combos and single target ones?

[radiant frigate]

are you using mk8 or the correct one

[lethal vigil]

I’m not using the mk8

[radiant frigate]

splendid

horde clear is l1l2l3h3 repeat

single target into carapace is heavy spam
single target into non-carapace is heavy1 -> (h2l4l1 repeat)

[lethal vigil]

Thank you, I have a hard time finding these compared to V2

[ripe obsidian]

I have always just heavy spammed single targets, armor or not

[lethal vigil]

A weapon combo for V2 is a guide on steam with YouTube video demonstrations, this game I gotta hunt them down

[radiant frigate]

valid

i only recently started the other cycle

i find it very helpful on bosses

since it feels like half the time i am out of range for one reason or another

and this allows me to stay a little more mobile

[thorn cedar]

even in vt2 it took an eternity for moveset guides to come out

its just not fun to make or explain for every weapon and ultimately its something you can intuit well or you cant

you can be told that push > heavy > light repeat is good horde clear and that light light heavy is good single target but actually being great with the weapon involves knowing how to switch between both of these hypothetical patterns at any given time

[deft stump]

Also, most people wouldn't care for complexity.

[lethal vigil]

I can do that part, but spending a ton of time workshopping to find combos is not enjoyable when other people know them

[viscid apex]

chat is this a good combo or nah

[thorn cedar]

And that too most folks just want heavies to be single target and lights to be horde, maybe with a bit of variance

[lethal vigil]

I kinda just need like a template or a shove in the right direction and I can learn pretty quickly

[thorn cedar]

Idk worshipping the combos is my whole jam

ill sit in the Psykhanium swinging a sword fifty different ways for 15m til i have a flow down

i want to ideally never be surprised by my own next attack

[lethal vigil]

I hate weapons that have this it’s the reason I dislike the dueling sword so much

No skill expression or mastery just hit the buttons real fast

[deft stump]

Or the reverse, basically simple stuff. Most complex is like push atk being ST or horde clear.

[buoyant maple]

For Mk 6, Horde clear is light twice + swap twice (back to melee)

Single target is just heavy spam

[lethal vigil]

People swap cancel in Darktide?

[buoyant maple]

yea

[lethal vigil]

I didn’t know that stuck around but I guess it makes sense

[thorn cedar]

its not a movetech here thankfully

but yea still works

[zealous wing]

well there is no dreg mauler yet

and yet, callouts call scab maulers "dreg"

so, the lines are there

[buoyant maple]

where is dat

[zealous wing]

lemme see if i still have the clip

[thorn cedar]

as far as i recall in super early development it was a dreg mauler but once they armoured him up they swapped his faction

[zealous wing]

i dont, but loner says it for sure

some other personalities say it as well as calling it just a mauler

so they don't even need to pay for new lines for it

[rich spindle]

depends on da staff

[weary hatch]

What is a good blessing/perks for each staff?

[jovial juniper]

Warp Nexus as core

[weary hatch]

Is brittle for inferno good? the perk i mean

[radiant frigate]

short answer, noo

long answer, nooooooo

[weary hatch]

Whats the goto? if warp nexus is core perk for staffs

[radiant frigate]

on inferno, blaze away

[jovial juniper]

On Electric

Flurry or Surge depending on build

Blast is a bit more unique
You can go blazing spirit Warp Nexus

Or Rending Shockwave Flurry

[spice aurora]

@verbal thistle gon try obscurus again, unstable riposte or unstable uncanny? or some other shi (not rotted, would prolly uncanny that)

[verbal thistle]

unstable uncanny is what I used

[ripe obsidian]

I should have this information in the pinned build guide

[long saddle]

53 min surge surge 5 round expeditions

[ripe obsidian]

Looks like the mod holds up well in long games. I was worried how the graph would scale

[long saddle]

yeah and this is with 2 second

[ripe obsidian]

I can maybe add a thing for average peril while in combat

[long saddle]

yeah you can see the times we were in deadside outpost lol

best/worst part of that run is that I downed on extract and we lost 3k+ tech

[ripe obsidian]

Oof

[long saddle]

im further off salvage than I am tech anyway so it's nbd

20k/100k vs 153k/250k

[ripe obsidian]

I'm glad they patched reliquaries to work for your teammates

[long saddle]

yeah, tho not retroactive

but im like at 60 now there

[tacit kettle]

Best blessings and perks for a force sword?

[zealous wing]

perhaps detection of if a psyker is even being played or not?

also where is this saved so i can remove the files

[jovial juniper]

The peril less psyker

https://tenor.com/view/yankee-spin-hat-laugh-spinning-gif-16824074

[zealous wing]

also look at this

[rich spindle]

can u adjust sample frequency

[zealous wing]

yeah

[rich spindle]

coo

[rich spindle]

LET ME GO AROOOOOUUUUND THIS MF

[ripe obsidian]

Ye, gonna see about fixing that

[storm rose]

lmao i just tried the scrier's build with elektro staff LMB spam

i held down LMB autoclicker and didnt let go until the end of the mission

call of psyker duty7

[ripe obsidian]

1 to 5 seconds per sample currently

[zealous wing]

alrighty well, mission aborted, and i wasnt on psyker, but it saved

idk if a crash would save, probably not, but, mission aborts keep

[ripe obsidian]

Huh. Well, it's something. Better than I expected

[zealous wing]

makes me wonder, if its possible to detect airlocks/elevator

powerDI autosave causes stuttering sometimes, but if it were bound to only airlocks and elevators, it wouldnt matter much

[ripe obsidian]

I can try to get it to detect non-combat time

[north tartan]

I just got back into psyker and I'm really liking the greatsword but idk what blessings to take with it

anyone got suggestions?

[zealous wing]

unstable power, then either shred, riposte, or deflector, based on preference

[north tartan]

cool, thanks

[zealous wing]

i run unstable with shred

[jovial juniper]

Unstable Precognition

[dire wharf]

What do you run on deimos?

[zealous wing]

uncanny and deflector on one psyker, uncanny and... superiority? on another psyker

i always get superiority and slaughterer mixxed up

yeah superiority

[radiant frigate]

superiority slaughterer

power upon power

[jovial juniper]

One could even say

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[kind jay]

according to peril history i seem to like sitting in the mid-40s a lot

maybe ill take off warp rider and put the point into mind in motion

the best talent of all time

[dire wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-gif-18501881

[icy hill]

Anyone wanna hop on and help me level up my psyker

[plucky flax]

Real

[ripe obsidian]

added toggleable breakpoint lines to show Warp Nexus levels, and toggled the debug messages to default to off

and I think it should no longer track games where you aren't psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I think all of the requested features are now implemented.

[wraith sphinx]

Goated 🙏

[ripe obsidian]

TIL Psykinetic's Aura doesn't work how I thought

with PA at 100% uptime, a cooldown has 0.5 seconds of variance depending on when PA ticks

so Shriek technically has a cooldown as low as 8.36 seconds, or as high as 8.87 seconds, even with PA at 100% uptime

yaaaaaaaaaay

[wind spruce]

Does this apply to all cooldown regen?

Basically that it ticks in intervals rather than applying smoothly?

[ripe obsidian]

I believe so.

[long saddle]

prob since there's no flat time reductions anymore

it's just upping the cooldown regen rate

or well, flat time reductions that don't stop scaling

desperado has a 5s cap

same with BTL

[wind spruce]

I wonder then if some of the stacks from chem dependancy are worth more than others

[long saddle]

this game is a rounding game so

[wind spruce]

Eg the fourth stack of chem dep only saves you 0.8s with kalma v, but if it ticks at 1s intervals it might be doing nothing

Though im a few beers too deep to conceptualise this clearly

[long saddle]

no chem dep doesn't change regen rate

it reduces the cooldown

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure it changes regen rate? It makes your cd tick down faster

[long saddle]

ok might just be fatshark'd then since I'm only looking at gameslantern atm

[wind spruce]

Cant rely on descriptions

Bc you are right that it has the same wording as seers presence and not psykinetics

[long saddle]

Per Dependency stack, increases Hive Scum's base Combat ability cooldown regen rate of 1s per second by 10% (up to +30%); stacks additively with itself and with the related cooldown regen effects from Kalma, Hypex, and Klay (Cartel Special Stimm).

yeah it's rate

it doesn't have the same wording, no

[wind spruce]

They manage to word it differently almost every time

Impressive in a way

[ripe obsidian]

anyway

new toy for you

[long saddle]

you can only restore the cooldown 5 times obv

[ripe obsidian]

if anyone wants the cooldown analysis mod or the updated peril tracker mod, just lemme know

[wind spruce]

Send em my way

[long saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/food-foodie-hungry-gif-7184285098711076092

[ripe obsidian]

both mods have debug toggles if you wanna see chat messages, but I think they're off by default

[proper spoke]

I suspect this is phase one of Six creating a mod that analyses play in detail, for the purpose of automatically giving advice, turning every psyker into a pro player

[ripe obsidian]

I must raise up my siblings

[ripe obsidian]

@summer prairie as you requested.

[proper spoke]

You truly psycare

[ripe obsidian]

fuck that pun was bad

+1 DM inspiration

[long saddle]

psycare is a great mod name

[ripe obsidian]

The Psycare Package?

[long saddle]

I'd skip the

if only my operator naming convention wasn't set in stone I wouldn't mind having one of my psykers called

I Psycare

then whether to actually be helpful or go full smyker

[proper spoke]

I used to call my zealot YouAreWelcome. Kinda forced me to be helpful

[ripe obsidian]

What a bait and switch. Claiming to care, then smyking

[proper spoke]

Sounds more like a psykerpath

[long saddle]

psykerpath is also a good one

[proper spoke]

Yeah. That's my psyker's name

[long saddle]

some would argue that you're actually helpful

so that's the best part

all my zealot builds run 3 revive speed and the revive talent so I'm always helpful

[ripe obsidian]

The cooldown analysis mod was a lot easier to build with the peril tracker as a basis as opposed to magicking it into being from nothing.

I am not sure what other niche data analysis mods are wanted/not yet available, but I'll ponder this

[wraith sphinx]

another test run, this time on my gaze surge staff build

this is the build I routinely overload on the most

I don't use warp ghost on it either

[steep cedar]

I just realized how different every class channel is

[ripe obsidian]

68% combat peril seems good

[ripe obsidian]

Do elaborate

[steep cedar]

Ogryn channel is as Ogryn as it gets

[steep cedar]

I be chillin on 99

Some reason this game let’s hit 100 multiple times

Im not complaining

I would die 70 percent more if it was always an insta kill

[ripe obsidian]

Sitting at 100 is not death

Performing a peril generating action at 100 is death

Other than charging a staff or brain burst and dropping it before it finishes or releases

[summer prairie]

Neat

[hoary mauve]

Me please.

[ripe obsidian]

Sent to both of you

[hoary mauve]

Thanks!

[ripe obsidian]

If nothing seems borked by the end of the weekend, I'll put them on the Nexus for the general public to download

[wraith sphinx]

playing as non-psyker does not log the round in the peril tracker mod 👌 as far as I can tell, all the changes are working as intended!

[wraith sphinx]

does anyone know what is this profile frame from?

[long saddle]

some old warhammer subscriber thing? idr exactly

[jovial juniper]

Looks like it yeah

[hasty valve]

Anyone know what's up with the custom hud mod when it only shows ui from mods?

[fresh panther]

Iirc this was the skulls event promo reward right after launch

I have it despite never having bought their streaming service

[wraith sphinx]

ty

[gleaming anchor]

I am rethinking my curios for my rejects.
Reading Psyker's base stats on Kuli steam guide, the class only has base 1 stamina and a regen delay of 0.5 s. This leads me into thinking a stamina curio would benefit psyker greatly.
Would i still want a stamina curio in builds with Warp Ghost?

[main crow]

I do triple toughness but I’m running flame vent

[wraith sphinx]

It is not necessary. I personally still run one stamina curio with any kind of psyker build though

[gleaming anchor]

So pyskers just don't use shoves or push attacks enough to warrant the curio slot?

[ripe obsidian]

0.5s stamina regen delay is already the lowest in the game, and especially with the +1 node and +2 from Warp Ghost, psyker should basically never run out of stamina

A +3 stamina curio is fine to use if you like it, but shouldn't be necessary

I think you can probably spam push attacks forever or dodge-slide forever without ever running truly out of stamina due to the super low regen delay

[gleaming anchor]

yeah that makes sense. Thanks

[ripe obsidian]

Happy to help

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah I simply use the curio because I have a penchant for meleeing a bit more than the usual psyker + I like being caught up with randoms that run headfirst into certain death

a stamina curio isn't necessary for either of these on psyker it's just a comfort pick for me

[gleaming anchor]

yeah im usually the one left behind in the majority of my pubs

[lethal vigil]

I am struggling a LOT on melee Psyker, the first time auric has felt challenging for me in awhile

Even just regular missions with no modifiers

[radiant frigate]

share build

[lethal vigil]

I will after game

[dire wharf]

I'm curious to see the build too. I'm mediocre but melee psyker slaps

[verbal thistle]

builds dont matter as much as skill and knowledge about the tools

melee psyker plays a bit different from other classes

[spice aurora]

yea the melee psyker builds are like 95% the same dw bout it

[radiant frigate]

true fact

[lethal vigil]

That’s probably why I’m struggling it’s extremely different from anything else I’ve done before

Being an Ogryn and Scum player mainly melee pysker just has a lot more going on

It’s much harder to dodge around while learning the weird set of tools I have

The push attack is also very strange

[radiant frigate]

melee scum has a lot in common with melee psyker

[dire wharf]

2h sword for scum please

Snowdog

[limber heath]

Scum get 2 hswords instead

[lethal vigil]

Dopamine hit

[spice aurora]

oh yea killed captain at end of h40 for assassination mission an game crashed

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeden

[verbal thistle]

[lethal vigil]

the only way to make your game not crash

Is to kiss the fatshark

The main man himself

He’s somewhere in the ocean

[cosmic cobalt]

me when i press 1 button and suddenly im invincible

[wraith sphinx]

sverige ja

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-gif-17469355112495354766

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/yuta-yuta-okkotsu-kurourushi-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-3-gif-15346693964827742443

https://tenor.com/view/yuta-okkotsu-yuta-jjk-yuta-kissing-bug-jjk-meme-jjk-gif-13396774625194805249

[orchid shadow]

Welp, I guess with the new spawns, I need to stop screwing around in the elevator a little bit sooner...

https://youtu.be/1k-L3feewG4?si=GNp8SYk0BPonaReM

[zinc phoenix]

Crowbar

And as a lover of things that are bad I actually quite like crowbar

So you know it probably needs a buff

Also hot take but mfers could stand to buff the cast time on 🐝 🐝

If I don’t have empower it’s an age to throw it which is comical when bitches can hip fire an rpg at their feet to clear the map in less time than it takes zel to throw a knife

Also another take: stoneshard is 🔥

KCD but pixel

And with le magic

But minus any story whatsoever and halfassed because despite a gorillion dollars in sales the devs are unable to move faster than than a glaciers

[dire wharf]

Listen

I like blunts, but crowbar is not a sword

Sorry Gordon

[cosmic sigil]

I have tried expeditions for the first time, i have no idea what to do, please ELI5

[ripe obsidian]

Go to place on compass, ignore enemies where possible, do smol puzzle, collect loot until icon no longer on compass, repeat

Then go to next zone or extract when time is low or no loot is left

[zinc phoenix]

tell people to ping where go or youll fuck off and be useless

[deft stump]

Or just micromanage it yourself.

[spice aurora]

neeed havoc expedition

[main crow]

I just follow whichever dude seems to be farming the tech things

[still spindle]

I've found expeditions are best with prebuilt teams. Being able to coordinate fucking off from a finished PoI does wonders for preventing how much ramping aggression you gotta deal with. Much more than Havocs at least

[ripe obsidian]

What if you have a teammate who murders every enemy they see with extreme prejudice?

He said innocently.

[still spindle]

That's just a zealot

I'm used to working with Zealots

And it's about on par with randoms so

[ripe obsidian]

how dare you accuse me of such things

[zinc phoenix]

By telling people you’ll be useless you force the job on someone else AND you tell the group it’s a good idea to follow whoever does it. Win win

[deft stump]

Cue 4 solos.

[zinc phoenix]

So the normal situation and therefore totally fine

[still spindle]

I've honestly thought about splitting up for the first set of PoIs. Enemy aggression starts out fairly low, and the time gained might be worth the risk

[wraith sphinx]

This is what I prefer to do. Start out with the team split in two pairs, then blob up preferably by the time we're halfway through the expedition as a whole

[kind jay]

the best way to do expeditions is to aggro everything on the map with complete disregard for anything else

fatshark gave me infinite range and damn it im gonna use it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[restive iris]

im using flame illisi, and voidstrike staff, what line would be the best for me? If someone would be kind to send some picture

[pale prairie]

? Line? In the pins for psyker class is a big fat google doc called BONANZA it has a bunch of builds and explanations for talents and synergies with a work in progress weapon section if you want to check it out

[restive iris]

thanks, didnt know Ill check it out

[pale prairie]

Yeah Psykers are cool like that having Six work on a guide. It’s why we are best class

[restive iris]

that had to take a while for six to work and polish that guide

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah for sure

[still spindle]

I'm glad I'm not the only one with that thought! I've noticed how intense the aggression scales so I figured with how tame it is to start that splitting up would work

Can't wait for someone to do some datamining or intense research into how the aggression works overall

Also, just started hopping back in havocs, did a 9 to warm up and HOLY EMPEROR WHAT DIFFICULTY IS THIS? Malice?!

I have 3 wounds!

There's like 3 crushers the whole mission

probably could have done it hitless if I actually tried

[pale prairie]

You are absolutely correct

[still spindle]

Honestly first time I've done a havoc so low, my first havoc was like 16

[wraith sphinx]

Same, same

[mighty cipher]

Anyone else having crashing issues?

[rich spindle]

Nope, game never crashes for me ever

[rancid geyser]

could be from mods

i reinstalled mods yesterday and it was crash after crash

no creature spawner for me

[pale prairie]

https://giphy.com/gifs/adultswim-cartoons-adult-swim-invincible-fight-girl-Jtu7zl1vgbcsyiUbou

[cosmic cobalt]

is qq cancelling or light spam better for fgs horde clear

[pale prairie]

depends on mark

[cosmic cobalt]

the good one

[pale prairie]

mk 8 its just spam mk6 its light light then heavy i believe

should be a big wide swing on the heavy

[cosmic cobalt]

the good one

[pale prairie]

then block reset

[cosmic cobalt]

bc is slower than qq cancelling

that why im comparing it to light spam on mk6

[pale prairie]

do what you want i have never found qq canceling needed

[cosmic cobalt]

like skipping l4 since its strikedown

[pale prairie]

yep you can skip it. its useful though in mixed hordes to snipe stuff

it has big damage for a light

[cosmic cobalt]

i just do heavy to snipe tbh

also you can get into h2 from l3

slightly slower but like 3 times the damage

[pale prairie]

yeeeeeeeep

[cosmic cobalt]

fair and balanced

im getting better at 25 stack uptime

[wind spruce]

Slaughtered

[rancid geyser]

me thinks it is balanced

still my fave psyker melee, but i use staff, so i have 0 mobility when i use it

[wind spruce]

It drops 18k when u and the ogryn swing at the same time (your heavy stab)

[cosmic cobalt]

yeah

as i said

fair and balanced

i also get to be invincible

[tacit badge]

How do you do the stab

[rancid geyser]

iir it's heavy 2 no? on the mk6

[pale prairie]

depends on the mk

on mk8 you have to push attack first

thats why many prefer mk6 its dead ass easy

[rancid geyser]

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

updated cooldown analysis mod slightly to suppress the last debug message that got through

[pale prairie]

light 1 then heavy stab

[tacit badge]

Oh, I lowkey forgot there were different marks

[rancid geyser]

on the mk8 its directly after the shove

[tacit badge]

Lol

[pale prairie]

hive scum tac axe

[rancid geyser]

i like that for bossdamage and the mk8 for getting hordes off of me

both are actually nice imo

[pale prairie]

yeah i used mk8 forever but with armor being so prevalent now i use mk 6. I don't really miss the horde clear with the hidden heavy sweep in the light chain

[rancid geyser]

i havent been using either these past few days because moving like a snail has been pissing me off, but i do think 6>8

maybe im wrong

[cosmic cobalt]

what mod

[cosmic cobalt]

mk8 can deal with armor just fine

[pale prairie]

really person to person and playstyle but yeah its popular

[zealous wing]

6 is better than 8

[cosmic cobalt]

it's just mk6 have better movesett

mk8 noticeably doesn't have strikedown from running

[zealous wing]

far more versatile, and a more expansive attack pattern

[rancid geyser]

generally what i think so too, but you know --- ppl dont be agreeing with me, so just in case

[cosmic cobalt]

also qq cancelling make it pretty close to mk8 horde clear

while having way better boss damage

[zealous wing]

QQ is also not even needed

[cosmic cobalt]

ok i didn't know h3 is a thing genuinely

[zealous wing]

l l l h works well, and any of the first three lights with a block allows for good flow and horde control

ye

[cosmic cobalt]

qq cancelling is faster than bc

[zealous wing]

the h3 is very tasty

[cosmic cobalt]

this isn't vt2 unfortunately

[zealous wing]

faster maybe, but vibes are important

[rancid geyser]

i forgot you could swap cancle lmao

[zealous wing]

it also allows you to switch to a horizontal sweep with a push quickly

[cosmic cobalt]

uh I don't recommend it if you have shit latency

[rancid geyser]

forget latency, i cant spam mentally

broke the habit out of myself because of fighting games

[cosmic cobalt]

or just bound to scroll wheel

up for melee down for ranged

it's what i use for vt2 also

[spice aurora]

psyk-er? i hardly know her

[late sapphire]

That's what the point of the graph is :)

[rancid geyser]

tell me this isn't a fighting game

[zealous wing]

i've also found, knowing and having block cancel in memory will hold you even in 500 ping

knowing where your sword is in the combo even if you cant see it actually go out

because it DOES still go out, but its very delayed, so you're kinda time travelling

like, "i know this was l3 so i can h3 or push and do a sweep to push the trash to the side a bit for the next attack to hit"

feels VERY tactical on high ping

and, if you realise something weird is happening that you didnt expect, theres a decent chance you're already blocking, which, if sudden crusher overhead appears, you can pushattack it to stagger it out of the attack

[pale prairie]

i know this i used it exclusively for many hours. just cause i said i switched to mk6 because i found it personally better for armor packs doesn't mean that mk8 can't deal with armor....

[zinc phoenix]

It’s honestly super lame that their answer to player damage bloat has been cara spam

Narrows the gameplay space to stuff that can deal with cara

[pale prairie]

Pfff you could always just die???

—fatshark

[cosmic sigil]

TIL mk6 has a h3

[rancid geyser]

well tbh they did do that and it wasn't enough

until they also bloated hp values on those units

they rather tweak numbers than give more challenging enemies

[crisp ether]

which is why i've been slowly losing my desire to play the game honestly

and i think with this patch, i kinda reached a limit if i'll be real

[pale prairie]

It’s a hidden move

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-move-kagibunshin-technique-gif-13372627

[kind jay]

are things spawning at the start intended? im guessing not, but also spawn amounts have been crazy in general i kinda like it

[frail oar]

Yea the new game mode isnt interesting to me so this patch is a balance pass.

[rancid geyser]

tis why i take a couple months break at a time

i think it does some justice in keeping the game somewhat ammusing

play till im good enough to play havoc again, then take a break

[crisp ether]

i mean i sense it is just burn out but it's also that i'm seeing the direction things are going, and i'm a tad worried.

Game's already struggling to handle what it's dishing out to begin with, but the spawns only keep getting upped.

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I was complaining about meat wall gaming in auric maels years ago

Game has been this way for a long time

[rancid geyser]

i think auric was always fine

UNTIL the hp changes ngl

those HP changes were legit trash imo

i would have loved them to just add more enemies

[crisp ether]

True. But, it's going to an extreme now that, the game simply isn't as consistent as it should be for as skill heavy as it is.

[rancid geyser]

its the only reason why i came back a bit before this recent update

[crisp ether]

I mean this in terms of the game's actual functionality.

[hollow stirrup]

I enjoy the game a lot but I can definitely see the problems somewhat that've been arising

it also probably helps that I take breaks a bunch though

[rancid geyser]

I think there are a few categories for enemy types that need to be fleshed out

[hollow stirrup]

only got 316 hours lol

[rancid geyser]

beefy threats, and area denial mostly

but seeing how they handled crushers im scared

[fiery stratus]

Expeditions is alright, I wish it had talents as rewards like mortis trials does. But aside from that its decent at encouraging teamwork.

definitely could be better

[crisp ether]

It just ain't fleshed out.

[fiery stratus]

True

[crisp ether]

There's no other way about it.

[rancid geyser]

Expeditions higlight just how little awareness most players have

ngl

too many ppl getting seperated and blaming others in chat

[crisp ether]

They should have just waited to flesh it out a bit more.

[fiery stratus]

Lol, they should have just skipped mortis trials and devoted their time to developing something like chaos wastes

[rancid geyser]

also not to harp on mortis trials but i heavily disliked seeing a roguelike/lite mode in this game

[crisp ether]

Mortis at this point is probably a graveyard with how divided the playerbase has gotten between everything else lmao

[rancid geyser]

as most roguelikes and roguelites end up

adding that type of mode was just following a fad that makes me sad

and for all the ppl who hyped it, not a lot are playing it

[zinc phoenix]

I regularly had maels that turned into a technicolor wall of meat

It just isn’t fun when that happens

You aren’t carrying out artful combats, you’re just spamming attack into a blob of nothing

🤣 #psyker-class message

Me almost two years ago saying the same thing

Like I know I’m not the only one who has gotten stuck in a room with a giant mass of enemies that all start going inside of one another so you end up with bulwarks that have a crusher up their butt

[pale prairie]

Whoa stop spying on my games

[rancid geyser]

fair

[rancid geyser]

also true

[rancid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-screaming-scared-afraid-oh-no-filthy-frank-gif-17225165

screaming in the corner as they close in

[safe oyster]

Most difficult class

[rancid geyser]

that would be ogryn

[tacit badge]

Expeditions has attracted the literal worst players I've seen in the game, it's insane

Map fully cleared, dudes wasting 5 minutes doing god knows what instead of going to the gate

[rancid geyser]

All the players you find sitting around only looking for kill sin base game just found a new mode ot do it

except they actively get punished for it

and i gladly watch it happen

[tacit badge]

I'm actively getting punished for it man

[rancid geyser]

well that happens too, but the only way to avoid it is find a premade

[tacit badge]

I have all of 18 hours in this game, and half of it has been spent carrying whole ass level 30s through malice and heresy, does this game just have the worst playerbase ever seen

[rancid geyser]

tbf

most VG players arent really at the skill level this game asks for

[loud girder]

the good players dont really play anything below auric

[rancid geyser]

thats not an insult but a fact

[loud girder]

some dont even touch auric

[rancid geyser]

ive learned that a lot of modern gamers need handholding, which this game does not do

[kind jay]

darktide 2 will have autobattle probably

cause 30+ dads with 5 kids and 8 jobs and a mortgage got no time to play

[tacit badge]

I guess, but I would hope that bad players would at least be carried by their builds if they are level 30 in malice

Didn't really have many issues doing the campaign, but expeditions got me losing it

[loud girder]

expeditions requires u to do objectives fast and route well and that's impossible for people hardstuck in lower diffs

[tacit badge]

Half the time I join a lobby and there is 5 minutes remaining, half the POIs not cleared yet, and it's zone 1

[loud girder]

tbh i'd just focus on normal game mode if i were just starting out

all the other modes are just extra fluff

real game starts when u hit 30 u can make actual builds and push diffs

[tacit badge]

How long do the expedition event rewards last

Or are those permanent

[loud girder]

not sure what u mean

like the event or what

[rancid geyser]

People in this game don't have the ability to split attention. Note that one of the most popular mods to play with is a visual indicator for specials and elites. I'm assuming people have issues with identifying threats via audio and pinging. Outside of 1 bug in the game that mod really shouldnt be needed

i just think the average person gets overloaded, then stuck

[rancid geyser]

because they are sitting in one spot usually just killing instead of moving

the amount of times I've had to tell people that they can kill and move in this game is crazy

[zealous wing]

i dont know anyone who uses it because they dunno the audio cues but that does make sense. i use it because i often play with music going, and uh... dogs exist and i do know someone who uses it because they're deaf in one ear, but yeah if it exists people are gonna think they can rely on it

[rancid geyser]

I mean, maybe i should have used a diff example of people getting overloaded

But, from my experience as some of my friends just picked it up. I do think that a lot of them have issues with everthing at once. One of them already defaulted to the mod

not new to horde shooters, but not good at them is what he said. As a learning tool i think im fine with it but even just having the mod overloads him to the point where he doesn't actively move when paying attention to the noises or the indicators

also from watching thier screen I have 0 clue how the ppl who use it see ANYTHING

maybe there is an opacity slider

[obtuse dome]

More like an anti learning tool imo

[sly flint]

Question for psykers out there gor the penance pick n mix

Can I use Brain Rupture to complete it too?

[rancid geyser]

yeah, but it's gotten to the point where i feel like a bully when bothering people with mods. As long as they note that the use of mods that affect the live game actively warp how you play, that's fine

[obtuse dome]

If ure not deaf or hardsweating havoc 40s then spidey sense is just cheating. Macros are just cheating with no excuses.

Its coop so in the end its everyones choice

But thats my opinion

I noticed a lot of people with these cheats use the scoreboard mod aswell to boast about it after

[rancid geyser]

fair, I would put the healthbar mod on that list too tho

[obtuse dome]

I dont use any mods anymore

[rancid geyser]

THIS

[rancid geyser]

this was the last bad convo i had on this sever the last time i was here i think

ppl using all these mods and bragging

[obtuse dome]

It is what it is

In the end i dont know

If someones using mods or not while playing

[rancid geyser]

I think there is always that 1 guy farming scoreboard doing nothing but killing. They do sometimes say that your arent doing anything or arent getting any kills

[spice aurora]

ppl who sit in party finder havoc and professionally decline people instead of playing the game are cring cannot change my mind

did an entire 40 and same ppl declining every1 for the same run lol

[obtuse dome]

Yeah fr its called a kill hog

[rancid geyser]

unfortunate for them

[obtuse dome]

Its normal dw about it

[main crow]

Tbf the sound cues are only reliable like half the time

[rancid geyser]

nah

like 85% if the time

[obtuse dome]

As is said only in high havocs

I have no trouble at all in auric

[rancid geyser]

dogs arent usually silent and poxbombers dont usually break audio queues

[obtuse dome]

With sounds

[rancid geyser]

played an auric maelstrom a while ago and you couldnt hear anything but the ticking

[main crow]

Just did a run where the pox bomber didn’t beep until mid jump twice. (He was right behind me)

[rancid geyser]

not even from my attacks

[obtuse dome]

Idk it might also be me but i hear those sounds like i have ptsd

Like a bat

[rancid geyser]

anytime i hear a special i do like 2 or 3 360s

[obtuse dome]

Yeah

I hear ts over anything

[main crow]

I’m generally pretty good at hearing the sounds, most times I get hit by stuff is my fault

[obtuse dome]

I hear it in my sleep too

[rancid geyser]

make it into an alarm

[obtuse dome]

Oh god

Poxburster as alarm

Im definetly awake immediatly

Grabbing my pillow getting ready to push attack

[jovial juniper]

Wake up screaming
"FOR CREED!" and letting the gold toughness tank it

[radiant frigate]

ON YOUR KARKING FEET

[zealous wing]

fun thing about spidey sense, is it doesnt provide a work around for sounds that arent playing

silent burster still be silent

even more so since spawns are broken again

[tacit badge]

Forced to use slow brain burst for one of these penances, this is so ass

[rancid geyser]

which?

[tacit badge]

Forgot the name, but the one where you need to be at max warp charges and get kills on elites with brain burst

[obtuse dome]

Take the dome and the node that gives casting speed and reduced peril cost on ability activation

That way ull be able to spam bb much faster

Kinetic flayer is one of the best abilitys psyker has tho

Its like free dmg

[tacit badge]

...

You need to be at max warp charges

Combat abilities spend all warp charges

[obtuse dome]

Ah sry

Well nvm then

[devout heath]

If you continue using Smite after scrier gaze ran out at 100% peril, can you continue holding it for few seconds or do you immediately blow up if scrier stops ?

I saw a havoc run on youtube and the guy continued using smite while 100% with scrier gaze not even active and only 3 second in cooldown

But for only few seconds before quelling it at 90% and spamming scrier gaze once again

Because i play at 140+ ping and sometimes my game doesnt let me change weapons or dodge or move away from fire, and even if i spam quell, i may be forced in an animation where i explode at 100% Peril

This is why i fucking hate being born in a muslim world

i wish i was in europe rn

Sweden someday

just tired of this shithole of a continent rn

[rancid geyser]

Scrier's Gaze has an upgrade that stops you from blowing up at 100 peril for a few seconds after the regular duration ends

[devout heath]

Oh is there an indicator when the gaze end?

like if it ends, does it tell you how long you have before that perk expires

so i can quell immediately

i know game tells you how long the gaze lasts and ends when you use it ingame mission but that perk i never seen pop up

[rancid geyser]

Yes. Scrier's Gaze ends when you hit 100 peril. With the upgrade its buffs will continue until the duration of the upgrade runs out. It's on your buff bar, and will have the icon for the skill along with the number of stacks up to 30. When the buff runs out that is when casting at 100 peril will become fatal again. The skill itself will go on Cooldown during the duration of this upgrade making it easy to loop.

Might have to use your peripherals when playing in a live game, but it should be one of the few orange buffs on your bar.

[devout heath]

peripherals?

[rancid geyser]

The outer boundaries of your vision.
I'm just trying to not get you killed by telling you to look for it on your bar indirectly.

[wind spruce]

Seriously deimos is so fucking annoying how it resets your heavy combo back to h1 when you sprint

Makes me not want to use it at all

[wind spruce]

Its the same icon on your buff bar as scriers

[devout heath]

Thank u two, btw i am just wondering now about investing in builds

but how do you know which weapon stats is the bnes]

best to have for a certain weapon type?

As far as i know, warp resistance should be low for greatsword for psyker

[tawny crest]

You can look at the pin guide in this channel it will help you so much.
Usually warp resistance is the dump stats but some build like LMB EK staff use other stats as the dump one. So really it depends on your build.
About investing personally I didn't invested too much into a build until I was 100% sure I enjoyed it since I have limited resources. I have a lot of build on my psyker with weapon at around 300 power and dump stat at 60-65% but only the 2 that I enjoyed the most I maxed to 500 and made sure my dump stat is at 60.

[wraith sphinx]

@ripe obsidian Here's the peril tracking results with my meleeker build. Ran dclaw and Zarona revolver with brain burst. By Crack of Bone makes a noticeable difference, but not as much as I expected - I thought combat peril average would be closer to 30%.

This is also the only build I run Just A Dream on and don't have the Warp Unbound subnode.

Mission was the Carnival stimm raid, auric HISTG

[weary hatch]

Anyone got a good Expedition build?

[deft stump]

Just use the usual stuff. Bubble is nice for the shittier spots on higher diffs.

You don't need it though.

[weary hatch]

Yeh been using Venting its not really working out that much

Its always the dayum snipers/gunners that gets us lmao

[deft stump]

I dunno, I used both burny stick and taumatising myself staff.

[deft stump]

Bubble or just cover and BB one by one.

[still spindle]

My FGS and Laspistol has yet to let me down so

[deft stump]

And grumble at potato teammates.

You know your team sucks when you are sniping with Vraks.

As a last resort.

[weary hatch]

Used smite multiple times too pretty good CC but its just so boring to use

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been having a great time in expeditions with this #psyker-class message

[zealous wing]

inferno shriek does hold up, so does rending trauma with scriers, etc

[still spindle]

[zinc phoenix]

BB on speed dial lets you quickly execute the ranged stuff/specials, rending trauma lets you shove away crusher blobs, oscurus with Bcob lets you convert high peril to massive toughness gen whenever you’re stuck in a bad spot and wall does wall things as always

[zinc phoenix]

They hold up assuming someone else can handle the stuff they can’t. Which is usually fine but sometimes isn’t

[zealous wing]

basically i've found anything that doesnt go too far to pull unwanted aggro is good, otherwise anything goes. shriek is kinda overkill but on inferno, you only use it as an "oh shit" button anyway

and, well, fair

but the only thing inferno shriek struggles with is technically monstrosities, and you can just, avoid all of them

[zinc phoenix]

But you don’t want to because they drop loot

Often more loot than sites

[zealous wing]

also, just grab the nukes soon as you can

[zinc phoenix]

Thats why I prioritized being able to melee and bb em down. It’s also just fun killing monstrosities 😂

[zealous wing]

they work with the damage buffs, so you can deal severe damage with them

[zinc phoenix]

I like arty too much to buy anything else 😂

[weary hatch]

I'll give it a try

[zealous wing]

basically though, i've yet to find a need to make a new build for any class specifically for expeditions like fatshark said they hoped would happen

they said, if people do that, we succeeded, so uh

i think they failed

[weary hatch]

Yeh atp its im just getting potato team who cant those gunners/bomber while im trying to clear these fodders

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma is a good middleground if you end up wanting to try another build after oddballs

great horde clear, ranged option

[zinc phoenix]

The more normal builds have better synergy and are easier to play

The build list in the pins has good stuff

Mine has a bunch of caveats at the link for a reason

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve linked an expedition specific loot gremlin build I saw someone using to speed run sites solo to great effect

So I think they’ve sorta succeeded. Honestly if they want to take it to the next level more shooters and fewer carapace walls would help

[zealous wing]

more anti-stealth enemies might also be interesting

[zinc phoenix]

It’d also help to take a page out of the KCD2 playbook and have baddies in night missions hanging around near fires

[zealous wing]

push people away from SF/Inf

[zinc phoenix]

Or chattering