psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

I still have much work to do for the weapons overall

I just don't know a bunch of these

[stable ether]

The Psyker guide doc is growing on me, mostly because it kind of reminds me of the Yet Another Weapon Guides, for Monster Hunter GU

It was a bit of a wordy punch in the thinkles when I first opened it

[ripe obsidian]

It is wordy, yes

Many a word

[spice aurora]

Wat is the best shock maul, I want to use smthin else for scriers dd shenanigans

[zealous wing]

speaking of, im thinking short clips might be worth putting in/linking to for certain aspects, im not saying i WILL, but, if i DID, would that be helpful? small tutorial style "how to use this staff" "basic movement" such like that, would be short youtube videos most likely, idk if those can be embedded in gdoc

and again, idk if i will, but, it was an idea i'd had

[ripe obsidian]

Probably can be embedded. Google owns both

If you want to make clips, I'll put them in. I am too lazy to do it myself

[zealous wing]

ik

[ripe obsidian]

I can give you edit permissions if you want

[zealous wing]

too much power

(i'd take it anyway)

i was given console access to some high capacity multiplayer servers for a game, idk how or why but i have access, and it scares me

people trust me TOO MUCH

[jovial juniper]

Muni

[prime elk]

best shock maul is arbites shock maul

hope that helped

[zealous wing]

if i do end up doing it i'll just DM you about it

[ripe obsidian]

Okeydokey, Hexichokey

[cold hornet]

Anyone have the numbers for FGS stagger values at each increment of charge?

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/64dd68fdbbc28112761eaa2153040efe32204ad3/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L806

[cold hornet]

Perf

[spice aurora]

Whats the best chainsword n how do I use it

[jovial juniper]

Xiiig

You put Shred Wrath and spam lights

[weary crane]

what do u use

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bb9ee95-0b68-43d7-abd0-05c8aae4258e/soulblaze-storm this is mine

[sturdy reef]

could also remove mettle and go for battle meditation

[zealous wing]

if no KF, why BB

[unkempt panther]

to pick off annoying gunners and snipers at range?

[zealous wing]

mainly meant as, inferno, fire spreading, you choose to lose damage by using scriers, why also choose to lose damage by not taking KF

[rich spindle]

Fun

[sturdy reef]

you're at critical peril all the time

lol

its not gonna proc

[zealous wing]

kf works atm even at 100

its always going off

[unkempt panther]

mmm,

[sturdy reef]

they changed it?

[zealous wing]

[unkempt panther]

I for one am still pretty underwhelmed by kinetic flayer. It's a million times better than what it was before, but it still feels pretty meh to me because it can trigger at most once per 12 seconds.

[zealous wing]

but it gets all the buffs now

[unkempt panther]

Then again, anyone have a high havoc damage breakdown for kinetic flayer? What kind of damage we talking over a whole run? I'd assume it's quite small.

[zealous wing]

lemme see

[unkempt panther]

Thanks

[sturdy reef]

u can get rid of anticipation or immaterial focus I guess

it would have to be IF

warp ghost isnt necessary

[zealous wing]

damn it six doesnt have the blitz line in his scoreboard

[unkempt panther]

lol

[weary crane]

Yeah they fixed it silently

[sturdy reef]

ugh

[weary crane]

I made a bug report and it seems they listened to me

[sturdy reef]

I dont really play much anymore so I dont keep up lol

I still think IF is better than JAD for this build

[weary crane]

Well they didn't say in any patch notes and the description is wrong, I just found out from playing lol

[sturdy reef]

warp ghost is optional

[unkempt panther]

You think it's big? You take it for overall clear speed, or the utility / feel of nuking that one trapper during a slow period?

[zealous wing]

@ripe obsidian BB KF would be considered... what on your scoreboard if you dont have blitz? ranged?

like on this board for example

i know i probably have my own board somewhere but finding it would be a hassle

[unkempt panther]

I just did the math. The separate damage categories do add up to the total, so the blitz damage is in one of the subcategories, or it's not in the total.

[zealous wing]

well, if someones taking scriers, they dont care about clear speed

for inferno

same with bubble

you can only get to 15 stacks on inferno, 16 if the last application is a crit

fine for chaff, but thats it

KF would be the only thing reallly helping deal with anything nastier

[rich spindle]

You only need 12 or so for pc to start snowballing

[zealous wing]

if you get the kill for it, yeah

[rich spindle]

Yeah

[zealous wing]

like, its still inferno

its soulblaze

but it does baffle me when someone takes the main fire stick and says "nah" to more fire

like, "im fine with things dying at a moderate pace, who wants EVERYTHING dead, amiright?"

im also tired

so i dont mean to sound grumpy if i do

six must be busy

i was gonna go to bed like an hour ago

[wind spruce]

it counts as ranged

[zealous wing]

hopefully he can respond more aptly than i

[ripe obsidian]

BB and Assail both go into Ranged afaik

[wind spruce]

and smite

it would be absurd if any of them counted as melee

or any of the other categories

[spice aurora]

Not allowed, now put ur drooling sword on you bundle of stix

[ripe obsidian]

They changed that a few months ago

[unkempt panther]

On a 12 sec cooldown seems like it can still be mostly ignored. It's nice when it pops, but it's not helping that much IMHO with a crusher train, rager mob, boss, etc. It'll help a little; it's way better than it was before. I just feel like almost any other node would be better.

It seems like it's on the threshold for being useful. How short of a cooldown would be too much? 10 sec? I don't know. I'd love to see some actual data comparing it to other nodes.

[wind spruce]

if it does 3k damage per proc and procs on cd (which it will in combat) thats 15k per minute and 450k in a half an hour game

you can cut that by 50% for overkill and combat lulls but its still a decent chunk

[unkempt panther]

You're convincing me. How much is overkill damage though?

Oh, thanks, already ahead of me.

Ok, you're selling me a little more,

[wind spruce]

reasonable approximations are anywhere from 5-10% of your damage is from KF alone

this is based on theory and actual scoreboards

[unkempt panther]

So, not a warp rider, but respectable, I guess

[wind spruce]

warp rider doesnt give you 20% damage

[marble crater]

KF is the best thing since sliced bread

[wind spruce]

because of additive damage scaling

[unkempt panther]

mmm,

I feel stupid, thanks,

[wind spruce]

if you already have +100% damage

[ripe obsidian]

In most of my games, KF is at 10% or higher damage boost.

[marble crater]

Did you already mention that KF procs on Soulblaze ticks?

[unkempt panther]

Ye yea, I played POE, lol

Well, thanks for changing my mind. Interesting.

I guess the change to make it proc even at full peril really changes things too. I didn't know that / consider that.

[ornate hamlet]

Peewee 2

[unkempt panther]

Proc at full peril probably pushed it over the edge into good, AFAICT

Really fascinating. BB + KF is just a straight up significant damage boost to your existing build, even if you don't use your blitz manually. So, for me, the new default choice for blitz unless I can make a compelling case for the other two in a particular build (such as assail and malefic momentum)

[wind spruce]

it was already good because outside of warp unbound no build sits at 100% peril for longer than a second or two

[ornate hamlet]

My default is, ironically, smite

[unkempt panther]

I am corrected again. Guess I was implicitly thinking in terms of scriers.

Again, thanks kind sir or maam.

[wind spruce]

orc*

[unkempt panther]

lols

[marble crater]

I wanted to write that

[unkempt panther]

LMB or RMB primarily? With or without EP?

[weary crane]

My build maximises KF DMG output to the point it can 1 shot mutie in havoc 40

[wind spruce]

is it a car crash build

or just damage node goblin with ep

[weary crane]

Yup

It requires max stacks of various things

[ornate hamlet]

Without EP, just to RMB the bad stuff

[fading hedge]

I'm still trying to associate acronyms, EP?

[sturdy reef]

Sg inferno still braindead ez

Its my sleepy build

I dont play it much anymore

But then again Im not playing much dt rn

[wind spruce]

when a flock of starlings flies south-easterly overhead on the fourth friday of a temperate (but not too temperate) spring month that is not March and the moon is in recession but not in the third quarter ye shall one shot mutants with KF BB

[wind spruce]

empowered psionics

theres acronyms in a pin

[fading hedge]

Damnit, i knew that one too

Thanks

[wind spruce]

#psyker-class message

[weary crane]

EP my beloved

[sturdy reef]

EP in aurics is more fun

[fading hedge]

The pins are not loading -_-

[weary crane]

This is EP in h40

https://youtube.com/shorts/lWKZx5I18YM

Although the breakpoints are very close

And if it's pus hardened just don't even use BB

[wind spruce]

high ground go brrrrrrr

[fading hedge]

I rarely use BB but I love Kinetic Flayer

[spice aurora]

im a Neanderthal I never use my
Blitz or KF

[fading hedge]

I use it primarily to pop snipers

[fading hedge]

Wait, how can you not use KF?

[spice aurora]

It procs a lot of stuff I don’t rly want it to so I put the point in something else

[fading hedge]

Oh so you just dont take it

[spice aurora]

Oh yea you cant notproc it sorry xD j just didnt take it

[fading hedge]

I tried out a melee build last night and was having a great time with it. Because I was using the FGS which allowed me to control KF a bit better

[wind spruce]

like what

[spice aurora]

I think for those builds I put the point on emp evasion (if you slide like perfect you still need EE sometimes, rare but it will save you) and I forget what the other build is using instead but something for surviving lol

[wind spruce]

sorry i meant what does it proc that you dont want

[spice aurora]

Oh usually a special I’m already going to kill anyways, or a crusher but it saves me like one swing of dmg every 12 sec when fighting a pack of em

It was nice for rager packs n times where you don’t have consistent line of sight for something that needs to die asap or random boss dmg but I was happier without it overall xD

[rich spindle]

Very minimal upside for fgs

[verbal thistle]

I time my push attacks for specials with flayer

[rich spindle]

That’s some rain man shi

[verbal thistle]

its like a 8 meter 1 shot without pulling out my range

[wind spruce]

more like rAinz man

[verbal thistle]

or I throw a 0 charge slash

same thing

its also good againts captains

since it doesnt proc on captains, you can hit something hiding inside the bubble

like a flamer or trapper

[rich spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-mourning-gary-payton-miami-heat-epiphany-realization-gif-21220154

[spice aurora]

Oh nice I dint know the captain thing

I alwaya get shit stuck under the bubble

When I use it and I want it to proc its always on cd 😭

[verbal thistle]

yeah, just throw a push attack or slash

I dont use DoTs on my build so I know when i have it

no soulblaze to take it

[spice aurora]

I’m a neanderthal I just swing at everything so that’s prolly y I never have it when I need it xD

Who wants to play h40 in an hr imma do scrier dd chainsword

[verbal thistle]

sure

been having fun with Dclaw vet

[spice aurora]

I just tried dclaw on psyk yesterday it took 3 yrs to kill a reaper

I use it a lot on scum, just to explode hordes and not get body blocked

[verbal thistle]

combo with Cshotgun for unyielding damage and stagger

[spice aurora]

Same shit I have a clip of that too I don’t get it

[verbal thistle]

yeah idk how I died

I even heard the block sound

maybe a no hitsound bruiser hit me 1st?

[spice aurora]

That’s what mine was I slowd it frame by frame and some hoe behind crusher hit me basically same time, but first

[hallow vector]

dclaw is for everyhting but armor

[verbal thistle]

no?

[weary crane]

This is why I don't like the whole perfect block thing, even IF Fatshark servers aren't bad, a lot of stuff can go wrong

[verbal thistle]

I can 3 shot crushers with it

with that build

vet has some goofy damage buffs

[spice aurora]

If you headshot the parry it does big dmg and vet has like some of the craziest dmg talents

@hallow vector

I love using it on scum and just sitting on dh with the crate, nobody takes corruption dmg and dh cant do anything xD

[weary crane]

The damage from a crit parry from a Mk5 DS on psyker is insane

[verbal thistle]

quickly went through my recording and found this 1

full hp crusher with minimal purg damage

[spice aurora]

i havent used dueling since it was only on psyker, when did they add parry to it

[verbal thistle]

uhhh

arby release?

[spice aurora]

oh wtf

[verbal thistle]

it has a better blessing pool for the parry

uncanny/precog/riposte

[spice aurora]

I wish dclaw had better blessings

[verbal thistle]

but doesnt have the block cost reduction Dclaw has

[verbal thistle]

no, 5 stagger blessings

[weary crane]

Psyker also has damage buff from parry

[spice aurora]

Are there any crazy stagger thresholds those blessings let you do or no

[verbal thistle]

dont think so

[spice aurora]

I love how dreg ragers get ragdolled with parries, I have so many clips literally sending them flying lmao

Huge backflips

[weary crane]

Parry gives the stagger on dclaw - but it also kills the thing anyway so

Pretty useless

It needs heavy sword blessings

[verbal thistle]

v

[spice aurora]

Ya and the regular horde combos control the pack rly well too so I can just sit therr and do my horizontals and nothing hits back

[verbal thistle]

oh

typed v

[spice aurora]

xD

[verbal thistle]

not CTRL V

that last 1

[spice aurora]

Lmao

When I get home I need to get the one yesterday

Full on exaggerated backflip like its a kung fu movie

[rich spindle]

wuts your fov

[verbal thistle]

110

edited the config file

[hallow vector]

man what the fuck

[spice aurora]

I want that and when ppl say “can you plz run flame” ill say ok and put that on

[fading hedge]

Yay! Now you can tickle the enemy!

[rich spindle]

you could probably hit a 2m damage game with that still

[ornate hamlet]

It's either psykhanium jank, or this blessing really is doo-doo

It only works once per attack, and it can't even bring you out of overload

[verbal thistle]

its bad

[marble crater]

Some blessings are more equal than others

[cold ivy]

sometimes i wonder why there are so many bad blessings in the pool

[ornate hamlet]

I can't seem to make it proc multiple times, though maybe I could've bodyshot something

[unreal yew]

the peril FX is only the effect

how do I turn off or lower the high peril sound? I become deaf to any other sound

[cold ivy]

is it because fatshark doesn't know they're bad? or because in the past when blessings were RNG they needed a bunch of bad stuff to dilute the pool so we didn't always get good blessings?

[unreal yew]

took 2 crushers overhead from behind

because I couldn't hear anything

[ornate hamlet]

The peril FX should reduce the volume too, last I tried

I'm running mine at 15%

[marble crater]

It does

[deft stump]

It also works for other classes except the scum's supply.

[ornate hamlet]

Real

Everyone but the crackhead is a psyker

[deft stump]

Hilariously enough.

[ornate hamlet]

The crackhead takes their powers from the stone instead of the space

[deft stump]

XD

[hallow vector]

ive tried it and yeah it aint great

[zinc phoenix]

Same reason there are so many bad nodes in talent trees: people want the illusion of choice

[ornate hamlet]

I'd wager that Shatfark just doesn't really envision the meta when designing things individually, since many devs aren't really minmax players

It's kind of a meme to see developer streams where they play the game like complete muppets

[zinc phoenix]

The trees have been reworked multiple times and while the devs aren’t sweaty the testers are absolutely next level

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, the testers are another story

[cold ivy]

maybe eventually some of the underwhelming blessings will be reworked to be good

[ornate hamlet]

They know that the C in Fatshark stands for consistency

[cold ivy]

like the explosion on death (showstopper?) blessing

if it did a percentage of enemy health instead of a flat 200 it might be worth using

[ornate hamlet]

I'm personally a big fan of utility blessings, but even if we had only those, people would find a way to minmax the utility anyway

[zinc phoenix]

It took multiple years to fix some of them, I doubt they’ll worry about balancing. It was almost a year before they fixed us having too many blessing buy points on zap stick

[ornate hamlet]

Stuff like "pick deflector and idfk what, the rest kinda sucks"

[deft stump]

Wish there were more avg testers that aren't the dev tier lul.

[zinc phoenix]

Average testers aren’t very useful, you need people who can solo because there aren’t gonna be enough of them to have parties going

Not consistently

[deft stump]

But balancing for solos do mean classes need to be stronger.

I wonder if it's why Arby and Ganger are busted for that reason.

[zinc phoenix]

They’re both paid classes

Also a lot of people struggle with scum. I see way fewer around

I don’t like playing it because the melee is too fast

[deft stump]

I mean, I have seen ppl solo large portions of H40 on them.

[cold ivy]

new stuff needs to be strong (potentially OP) at launch for engagement reasons

can be nerfed later

[zinc phoenix]

People do that with all the classes

[deft stump]

Oh, I do mean proper solo, not speedrun.

[spice aurora]

i vant to pley duarktide

h40 join me now na west preferred but east cause west is dead

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/horangipower-cat-sleeping-sleeping-cat-talking-to-cat-ranting-gif-4642523517141133295

1 min

[unreal yew]

will it be worse if I turn off peril FX

or do I need to keep it something?

[verbal thistle]

nah, turn it all off

had it fully off for like 3000 hours

[hallow vector]

assail is quite fun

started using it finally

[hallow vector]

you dont need it if you pay attention to the peril meter

[deft stump]

It will just be harder to notice when things start or end if you are more visual or sound oriented.

[hallow vector]

i however do not and need the sound queue

[deft stump]

Since it affects certain buff effects as well.

Like Exe stance effects or when Piety is on for zealot.

The only effect it doesn't affect atm is stimm supply.

Hilariously.

Maybe ganger in general actually. Need to test rampage.

[unreal yew]

I 100% use the number in the middle of the screen

so the loud sound and the screen effect it's just a plus

[deft stump]

For other classes.

[unreal yew]

hmm

[deft stump]

That thing affects all those effects.

[unreal yew]

I thought it was psyker specific

[deft stump]

Barring ganger.

[unreal yew]

so what is the peril FX in general?

[deft stump]

Like I said.

Ult effects on screen.

Buff effects.

Ganger is likely broken.

Arby seems to work like the other 3 classes.

At least I can confirm forceful.

[spice aurora]

@verbal thistle

[verbal thistle]

across the room

yeet

[spice aurora]

anime asf

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dogdiesamengodbless-gif-23866738

[zinc phoenix]

I like peril fx, it’s immersive

It’s clearly the sound of me going insane

[verbal thistle]

@spice aurora yeah imagine if we went through that airlock with this

thank god i saw them

[spice aurora]

yea that was a fkn goon squad lmao

[verbal thistle]

2 running jump dogs

[spice aurora]

mine was a silent corner one into a flamer xD i thought i fgs'd it off u but i think flamer was on u too

[verbal thistle]

@spice aurora

the game should only be allowed to spawn 1 (2 with a special trigger and cooldown) monstrous special boss

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

its always on certain parts of the maps too i feel like

[verbal thistle]

but for some reason at the start of special pacing the rule of (max_monsters 1) is overridden

[spice aurora]

does it happen a lot at certain points i know oubliette beginning has a lot of shyte

[verbal thistle]

I've only seen it at start of pacing

[spice aurora]

makes sense

[rich spindle]

That one map in rotation now I forget the name of uh….

Where the twins can climb up into spawn

The weakened boss spawns in that first drop down room are fucked

Can get like 4-5

[verbal thistle]

Coassignment yard

[rich spindle]

Yeah that first room and the drop down room on uh…

I actually don’t know any map names

[spice aurora]

i learned map names after like 1500 hrs xd

plot twist im at just beyond that Q_Q

[woeful sigil]

am I the only person that decaps dogs on pounce, I see everybody else pushing them

[verbal thistle]

I do both

In that case I didn't notice the 2nd in time

[prime elk]

all fun and games until the server fucks you

[unkempt panther]

Jesus Christ, lol

[verbal thistle]

The flamer tripped me down the stairs into your attack sal

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz, bruh moment, S4lmon, all in the same game? Poor heretics

[thorn cedar]

the flamer kicked my butt and then i slipped into a pile of marbles which made me slide into a hallway full of thumbtacks but then when i tried to grab a handle to pull myself up the handle was electrified type shit

anyway flamer kick still the strongest attack in the game

[verbal thistle]

500 gunners

[thorn cedar]

mmmm nah pretty sure that was the same three gunners over and over again but u just lost track

[verbal thistle]

ladder cucked

[rich spindle]

LOL

[verbal thistle]

subway surfers

[ripe obsidian]

Ogrynmania

[ripe obsidian]

is that a four-legged ogryn?

[verbal thistle]

she just crashed my game

pressed my solo mod keybind

[ripe obsidian]

good cat

[ornate hamlet]

when the wrath isn't swift

[ripe obsidian]

A mutant just carried me into a mauler overhead

Ow.

It took me a moment to realize what happened

[ripe obsidian]

I am Spoony-Threepus, thief of soulblaze

[plucky flax]

He has shit blessings so might as well steal

[ripe obsidian]

It was a sad firestick

[zealous wing]

and bubble, so no hope at all of extra range

this one was fun

ran these

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-mental-mental-crisis-crisis-gif-23649578

Triple revive means you spend less time using KD to flex on the guy you're making vertical again and the ranger pack surrounding both of you

Please ensure maximum flex time in the future

[zealous wing]

i was not running KD or ee

[jovial juniper]

CSGO surfing 2026

[zealous wing]

i have created another assail propaganda clip

[vernal rock]

I've just recently succumbed to the assail propaganda. USE IT SIBLINGS

[unborn isle]

hi hi hi

on inferno staff is warp nexus or pen flames better?

[vernal rock]

I use pen flames personally

that and blaze away

[marble crater]

Nexus and Blaze Away is the meta

[zealous wing]

pen flames is a waste imo

mainly because of uncanny stacking

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Nexus. Penetrating Flames is not good.

Crits give you double soulblaze stacks as well as proc numerous talents. Inferno and Soulblaze both have over 100% ADMs on everything that isn't Carapace. Which is to say, crushers. So you're getting a maximum of 5% more damage on non-crusher enemies that fall into maniac, flak, or unyielding. And then that additional 20% brittleness on crushers isn't going to make the firestick kill them in a reasonable amount of time.

Pen flames might benefit your team a bit. But it's not good for you.

[indigo tangle]

5 penances in a game

well we got wiped horribly

but 5 penances

[hollow summit]

I mean, long bomb gave me 5 lol

[indigo tangle]

haha fair

i got Power Up and Shoot Fast and it chained into those other ones

[marble crater]

Worth it

[boreal steppe]

would anyone have any recomendations for the blessings on a deimos blaze force sowrd

I was thinking uncanny and superiority

[weary crane]

If you're main is melee then yeah, otherwise go with unstable power instead of superiority

[boreal steppe]

yah Im building it for for a melee focused psyker
sorry should have specified

I have tried to get the force great sword to work me as well
But it just
Something about how it seings feels unnatural

[weary crane]

It's better for melee main but the blessing pool isn't as good

[boreal steppe]

no its like
how do I put
the light chain on the mk I currently have
it just, thats how swings work
its so slow
you do not swing a sword that slow in front of you
it just feels wrong

like am I insane?

[marble crater]

You are a psyker, so probably yes

[dull scroll]

if that thing swings any faster it'd be the most OP weapon in the game 😌

[weary crane]

Does charged strike keep enemies perma stunned?

[weary crane]

I just spent 500k on great swords and none of them were 60 peril

Wtf

[deft stump]

Welcome to my world.

Basic 60 dump eating 200k is normal.

[jovial juniper]

Doesn't even stun

Lol

[thorn cedar]

it does

it can take a few hits tho and since the hits have to be heavy then it rarely ends up mattering unless youre cleaving through several

enfeeble can help

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny + Superiority is good

[boreal steppe]

no, not swing faster its the actual animation of it
that is not how you swing a sword

[zealous wing]

it is a greatsword though

mk 8 does feel unnatural though

of the two, 6 feels far less floaty to me, even before i learned why mk 8 was worse

[ripe obsidian]

Has anyone been experiencing issues with either purple or pus enemies ignoring staggers?

[spice aurora]

Apparently its a thing where healing things don’t stagger or some shit idk what ppl were sayin exactly

update: playing like a crackhead with chainsword, max dd stacks maintained, scriers, yields a whooping zero dmg still 😡

[ripe obsidian]

the healing enemy has 300% stagger resist, apparently

I did not know

It has killed me a couple times

[spice aurora]

R there patch notes on this or smthin

[verbal thistle]

no

[ripe obsidian]

@dull scroll how did I do overall in that map? I think both of my deaths came at the hands of trappers, unfortunately. My goal overall was to keep enemies CC'd and try to keep stuff off of you. Though one of the times I BtL'd in to try to help you, a trapper got me right as the ability ended, and I got smooshed by maulers instantly

[dull scroll]

you did fine don't sweat it

[ripe obsidian]

I will sweat it. >:(

[dull scroll]

I honestly can't believe I clutched out that part right before the vault

that's getting clipped 😏

[ripe obsidian]

I ran out of BtL, dogbombs, and shield stuns

Too many elites, not enough CC

was an impressive clutch

But if there are things I should've been doing and wasn't, do tell me. I cannot get better without feedback, and it's not super often I play with people whose feedback I trust, unless I am invited to a premade group.

"The healer (unit that would be purple) has -300% impact, reduced suppression decay multiplier, and 100 extra health"

[dull scroll]

the name of the endgame is kite

the only feed back I'll always give is clear ranged meticulously

and always push backwards the moment horde spawns

until you are not encircled

[verbal thistle]

imagine if bursters spawned like this

[boreal steppe]

I read that as you ran out of BL for a second and was confused on the purpose of yaoi for this

[ripe obsidian]

I was trying to use my dog and shotgun to get ranged cleared, but between purple and pus, I my shotgun is kinda useless in a lot of cases

But in those open spaces, I can't easily clear the distance to ranged enemies before they riddle me with bullets

Tough situation

[ripe obsidian]

On Arby, I try to kite to chokepoints, then keep the horde held still as much as possible.

[boreal steppe]

Uhhhhh
Gay super powers or something, thats how i do iy

[ripe obsidian]

What is BL? I know this not.

[verbal thistle]

Boys Love

[ripe obsidian]

Ah

[ripe obsidian]

I never got mine.

[marble crater]

@deft stump you need to fight them with your Yuri

[boreal steppe]

Well, i use yuri for my own powers

Evident by the user name

[deft stump]

I don't judge people's tastes unless het with chars I ship in yuri.

[boreal steppe]

Anyways
When can we kiss rinda

[ripe obsidian]

Rinda is more into vore.

[boreal steppe]

Acceptable

[marble crater]

I can fix her

[boreal steppe]

No
She can make me worse

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

She is a cannibal, after all. Kissing is way too vanilla for her.

[boreal steppe]

Yes
Again, acceptable

[fading hedge]

she doesnt kiss and tell, she chomp

[boreal steppe]

An acceptable fate

[fading hedge]

lusting after a follower of Nurgle

[boreal steppe]

Yes
I am a fucking gay robot on the internet, did you think im normal?

[fading hedge]

normal no, but Nurgle?

[deft stump]

People have their tastes. Best to just accept it.

[boreal steppe]

Nurgle is my personal favorite chaos god
Tzeentch is just gonna fuck me over
Khorn is just violence, not my thing
Slaanesh is not my thing
Nurgle, while I disagree with the plagues and death. I actually like some aspects of the ideology there

Well, 40k god I should specify

The great horned rat is the best greatest

[deft stump]

Heh, and all I want is an excess on all things pleasurable to me. Which includes foods.

[boreal steppe]

Slaanesh is my second favorite I will say

Atleast her goals arent to activly fuck me over if she feels like it

[fading hedge]

Nurgle is probably the most... likable chaos god in that he kinda sorta cares about his followers

[late sapphire]

Best chaos god is easily the Numen

[fading hedge]

If I had to follow one, probably slaanesh

[boreal steppe]

While nurgle can be innately horrific
The aspect of acceptance and family is something I can like
And while all chaos gods do have positive aspects there, I think its most noteable in nurgle
And again, its not tzeentch. Why would you ever pick tzeentch

[deft stump]

Because you were born without magic.

You gamble with Tzeentch for it.

[fading hedge]

knowledge, I can see the trap people fall for, you want to know everything

[ripe obsidian]

"Atleast her goals arent to activly fuck me over if she feels like it"

Fixed.

[deft stump]

Well, that's the fun sort of fucking.

[boreal steppe]

True true

[ripe obsidian]

I know. Is the joke I am trying to make

[boreal steppe]

I can kinda see that I guess?
But like, its 40k magic and he’s also notorious for just like, being the most likely to fuck you over
I can get it as a last dirch effort to not die ro something else or if your already a psyker tho

[white sky]

slaaneshi daemons will fuck people over cause it amuses them

like removing all sense of sensation to drive their disciples insane trying to seek them out

[weary crane]

Slanussy

[boreal steppe]

Yes
But they like to pick the non slaanesh people first most of the time
Tzeentch demons dont really make that exception
Back stabbing is a core priciple in their playbook

[white sky]

it is in every gods

chaos in general is a backstab fest as you vie for more power

it is in the imperium too tho

[radiant frigate]

siblings why are we discussing the machinations of the archenemy

[deft stump]

No difference if you think about it.

[white sky]

many parallels

[deft stump]

True, but some seek what they weren't born with as always.

[white sky]

its where the whole 'blood for the emperor' thing comes from even tho people like to call it khorne corruption

imperial defenders on terra during the siege were saying it well before they knew what khorne was

[boreal steppe]

I mean
Not really
Khorn doesnt really like that backstabbing
He still encourages stabbing
But you are going to shout “im going to rip your face off” first to make ot very obvious youre fighting

[boreal steppe]

Birdd

[white sky]

khorne cares not where blood flows from, just that it flows

AoS/Fantasy Khorne is the "honorable" khorne

These are most likely the skulls of some form of infant on Khârn(his champions)'s helmet

Circa 5th ed chaos dex

[deft stump]

Uhhh... because? Looks away innocently.

[uncut heron]

of course its the psykers discussing the workings of chaos

[white sky]

i don't larp and I've been into 40k long enough to know a couple of things. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I also do not normally play psyker fwiw.

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[deft stump]

You mean RP. LARP requires meeting up IRL and method acting.

[white sky]

Larping is also a colloquialism used to describe acting like someone's faction online.

I.e. fucking imperium larpers

[deft stump]

Well, wouldn't you like to fuck over the higher ups in the Imperium?

[deft stump]

I guess. I'm just used to it being used to refer to physical RPs with costumes and props.

[weary crane]

The amount of people I see blocking instead of parrying with DS hurts

[deft stump]

One is passive, the other is active.

The uptime is much lower than DClaw as well.

It's very hard to parry on spicy ping as well.

[weary crane]

Played on a team with 2 zealots and a psyker as hivescum

The psyker did like 0 damage and crowd control

And obviously zealots don't CC

This is why I love taunt spam

[zinc phoenix]

Fun fact, the mouth tubes connect directly to the butt tubes

[ripe obsidian]

The curse of random psykers.

For every Vect, Ainz, or AgentChaos, there are 10 people who make you wonder how they managed to get an H40 clear

[opal spindle]

whats yall fav secondary for melee psyker

[deft stump]

I mean, I exist. I don't even play psyker.

[ripe obsidian]

Force Greatsword

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[opal spindle]

oops just realized I said primary and not secondary

[deft stump]

What? Is truth.

I struggle without Chaos or Syllo.

I even told there.

[ripe obsidian]

Electrokinetic Staff

It's very accurate, immediate swap, and no ammo concerns

[rich spindle]

Ya use the ek staff

It’s slept on

Ppl don’t know how op it is

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[deft stump]

I just spend hours being mocked and looked down upon just trying to get a win without them.

[ripe obsidian]

Those people are assholes, then.

You play better than most randoms even with 300 ping

[deft stump]

Doesn't matter, it's H40. You have to be one of the best in a way or have someone totally okay with hard carrying.

[rich spindle]

No one actually good at the game gets mad at their teammates xD

Dw bout it

[deft stump]

Honestly, would ask VECT if I don't simply error out of US servers.

[deft stump]

Still frustrating to some, you know?

[spice aurora]

TIL captains naruto run

big zoom speed, keeps air out of eyes

[spice aurora]

I hsve the ss on my comp, hanging off of nothing

[verbal thistle]

wait

got click

clip

[spice aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/hanging-around-just-spongebob-chilling-gif-5949446

[opal spindle]

what the dump stat?

warp res?

[spice aurora]

If you spam lmb then you can dump charge speed xd

a lot of the charge benefit you can get from the shortest possible charge, like enough to just stop something from moving, full charge iirc just does more dmg. if ur going for dmg ur doing lmb spam anyway (used to kinda have a place for carapce dmg when game came out but now it hardly has a place)

[blazing basin]

sorry but in but for the gamers who did the Skilled in Psykhana penance. Did you use brain burst or assail?

[fading hedge]

I happen to like brainburst, But Assail has a way to pop specialists and elites, so Its up to your preference, I think Assail would be the easiest way to get it unless you build for BB hard

wait, does Kinetic Flayer get buffed by empowered Psionics?

[verbal thistle]

yes

[fading hedge]

oh damn

[blazing basin]

tyty

[fading hedge]

honestly, try both, see which one you like more

[fading hedge]

are you playing right now? I'm bored and want to play something

[blazing basin]

im gamin!

[fading hedge]

in game name?

[blazing basin]

Callista
Steamname: GrandmaGotHitBybAZOOKA

not sure how to find people in game

[verbal thistle]

social menu then look bottom right for (find player)

darktide uses a code system

linked to your account

[blazing basin]

oh tyty

[blazing basin]

0907108617

is fatshark friend code

[fading hedge]

sent

[velvet mirage]

Anyone able to help me do the campaign missions and recommend a good psyker build?

[marble crater]

For builds check the pins

[velvet mirage]

Ah thanks

[zinc phoenix]

This p much. I used to full charge bursters but it’s actually better to min charge for the stagger back and then left click a couple times

[ripe obsidian]

I should have dump stats for every weapon in the pinned guide. Still need to do perks + blessings, but one step at a time

[gaunt pilot]

What mortis trials talent tree has "Infectious Headache" ?

[spice aurora]

yea small charge on bursters if u feel its needed, running trappers / zooming dogs, teammate approaching a bulwark or stopping some overhead far away on someone if u notice it, etc

[zinc phoenix]

Crusher stopping 👌 it’s so nice

I have saved so many people with right click before the crusher smooshes em

[ripe obsidian]

I think that's any path so long as you take brain rupture

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/mortis-trials/buffs

[gaunt pilot]

thanks

[ripe obsidian]

One day EK RMB might get fixed. One day.

Right now EK RMB only feels useful for stunning big enemies so you can stab them. Otherwise, the damage is piddling and even a short charge takes as long as 3 LMBs.

[unkempt panther]

Is that with or without quell animation-cancelling cheese or whatever?

[unkempt panther]

Also thanks for informing me.

Us

[ripe obsidian]

I just spam-click LMB

Animation canceling is too big brain for my smol noggin

[dusk timber]

Speaking of EK

What are the perks for it

Blessings i assume are the scaling crit chance with peril and double shot on crit

[unkempt panther]

Good man, lol

[unkempt panther]

AFAIK, might depend on how you intend to use it. Double shot on critical doesn’t work on RMB, I think. Please confirm.

[dusk timber]

Im spamming lmb mostly

[verbal thistle]

Surge does not double right click

[rich spindle]

If you want to use the zap, it always hits whatever armor the center mass is, which is usually gonna be flak

oh i saw your other post

for lmb spam I like to take maniac for ragers and specialists, and 10% elite

depends on what you find yourself spamming at the most

[dusk timber]

Im taking flakiac for now

[rich spindle]

thatll do

[velvet mirage]

Anyone fancy doing the campaign missions with me?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm in danger

[crisp ether]

Ez, ya'll got this

[ripe obsidian]

Both twins and two of the monstrosities said >:( at me

[crisp ether]

I'm vaguely reminded of the time I had to solo twins and a captain by myself

That was. Something.

And then we still lost.

[unkempt panther]

Your skill inspires me to become better, lol.

[crisp ether]

I'll be real. I don't think that would have happened if I wasn't running hive scum lmao

[ripe obsidian]

oh, I died instantly

I do not care for unstaggerable purple enemies. Maulers ignoring my Trauma RMB sucks.

[crisp ether]

Well. I tried to be emotional support.

Also there's something I did figure out that day that kinda makes the twins a lot easier to deal with nowadays for me

[unkempt panther]

oh jese

Speaking of which, I sometimes try myself against the defaults of the monster spawner, like light or medium melee pressure preset, or mixed medium preset, and usually get my ass kicked. Do people here regularly beat those?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't

There's also the issue of no latency in the psykhanium

which genuinely screws you up

[crisp ether]

Hell hath no fury

Like a 0ms ping sniper.

[unkempt panther]

lols

[crisp ether]

Seriously, lag compensation comes in clutch so hard with those bastards.

It is a world of difference trying to evade them.

[unkempt panther]

That's slightly comforting. I was a little scared that even the light pressure presets were usually kicking my ass on most builds, yet I could still take care of myself mostly in auric maelstroms.

[crisp ether]

Ya no this is an entirely different game on 0 ping

There's even mods to emulate ping specifically for this reason.

[unkempt panther]

I just find myself getting run over on the psyker builds, except maybe smite cheese, with very little opportunity for counterplay, in the psykanium vs the light pressure XX presets. I wonder how my super tanky zealot might do.

THen again, I'm bad, and I need to practice more against even a few crushers. Need to spend more time in there against the 4 crusher preset. I can mostly take them, but not as reliably as I might like.

Having terrain choke points and teammates to help makes a huge difference.

[crisp ether]

Ye. Not worth feeling bad about faring badly in psykanium tests. They're not typical circumstances at all.

As long as you strive to get better, it will happen in time.

[unkempt panther]

Thanks

On most builds, vs monster builder XX pressure presets, I can manage to run away for what seems like a really long time via careful and constant dodging and blocking, e.g. for a minute or two, before I fail a dodge of a sniper, trapper, or mutant, but I'm making nearly no progress killing. Wonder why the author decided to call it "easy", "medium", etc., when they seem anything but easy and medium, lol.

[dense salmon]

I have been running the quills and so far they have only been efficient at killing enemies in uprising difficulty? Should I switch to a different pysker blitz

[crisp ether]

Because in those typical circumstances with actual ping on a map with chokepoints to utilize, those definitions are more accurate.

[unkempt panther]

mmm, yea, with more terrain to retreat to, instead of going in circles, I feel like it could be totally different.

But a straight up fight in a small enclosed arena is brutal,

[crisp ether]

What level are you?

[dense salmon]

22

[unkempt panther]

Haven't touched havoc yet, I don't know my "true level",

[crisp ether]

Assail's usually really strong even into Auric

I would say wait til you're 30 to get a better judgement on them.

[dense salmon]

Also what is soulblaze and how do I apply it?

[crisp ether]

But also , do use other things if you feel like it.

Soulblaze is a damage over time effect specific to psyker and only psyker.

[unkempt panther]

Note that against some enemies, assail is not going to be very effective, such as monstrousities (bosses), and crushers (big ogryns in full armor), and against the bulwark shields (big ogryns with big shields). I am an assail enthusiast, but you have to understand that the game at higher difficulties will not simply let you spam assail and do nothing else. You're going to also use your melee weapon, and/or a non-staff ranged weapon, while waiting on assail charge cooldowns and potentially waiting on peril to go down or shriek / scriers gaze cooldowns.

[crisp ether]

For weapons, purgatus staff or anything that has the "Blazing Spirit" blessing can apply it.

[unkempt panther]

soulblaze, aka psyker burn stacks from the fire staff, certain talents from the talent tree, and certain weapon blessings.

[dense salmon]

I have been using assail, force sword and stub revolver

[crisp ether]

There's also Perilous Combusion which makes elites and specialists explode with soulblaze.

[dense salmon]

If I am not using a staff should I not try and use soulblaze talents?

[crisp ether]

Which uh, is a very big part of why this class can get obscenely powerful.

[crisp ether]

Perilous is okay. But honestly, at that level, you're not getting much mileage from it

Psyker's power scales with enemy density.

[unkempt panther]

The answer is, maybe? Check the pinned comments for good builds. For example, some take perilous combustion to get free soulblaze stacks, not for the damage, but to interact with the psyker talent whose name I forget that gives benefits on killing soulblaze enemies. Two talents actually IIRC.

But also just have fun while getting to 30 before really worrying about what is the best builds for you, IMHO,

[dense salmon]

I’m trying to go up a difficulty to malice and I get absolutely shredded by everything but from what I heard pysker is supposed to be a glass cannon build

[unkempt panther]

I like what is probably a simple and standard assail shriek warp siphon build, and I'm probably spending 1/4 to 1/2 of my time throwing assail shards, and the majority of the remainder of my time in combat is spent dodging and slicing with illisi.

With occasional applications of the electrokinetic staff

[dense salmon]

Should I look up what the different variants of weapons do or can I see the difference in a menu?

[unkempt panther]

You can see in the menus, but it's a lot of information to take in.

inspect weapon, and then you can cover the 5 stats for the weapon to see exactly what they do, and also one menu deeper to see the attack breakdowns and how much damage they do to each armor type on a regular hit, crit, weakspot (e.g. heatshot), and crit heatshot,

[dense salmon]

So for example on the force swords obscuris is middle ground, Deimos is single, and illis is group?

[unkempt panther]

Hop in the psykanium to test out weapons. IMO, that helps a lot to really understand what each weapon will do.

[unkempt panther]

That was probably the intent, and it's mostly true, but I think obscuris is more niche than that IMHO. It's mostly deimos or illisi, for the force sword variants, AFAIK, but I would welcome other experts here to correct me.

But take whatever feels good for you, and experiment and see what works for you.

If you're on PC and can install mods, the monster spawner mod in particular is invaluable. You can practice by yourself in the practice area (psykanium) against one monster of each type, or a horde, and that really helps you understand this game.

And gives you the opportunity to learn your melee skills of when to dodge, block, hit, etc.

[dense salmon]

The staffs have a talent that makes them deal more dmg on the 3rd 4th and 5th salvo but what does that imply since it has *infinite ammo?

I am sadly not on pc

[unkempt panther]

Still, check out the psykanium, you can still the enemies, but they won't fight back. That's still useful to understand how much damage your weapon is actually doing.

And, for example, to see how little you are actually doing against crushers, potentially.

Although you might need a higher level before the crusher even spawn in the psykanium, IIRC.

[dense salmon]

Is there like a good wiki for all this stuff or is it just passed down

[unkempt panther]

For that, there are guides, and I'm just guessing from memory, but don't those say "repeat" attacks? I believe that means attacks made in rapid succession without a break in between.

[unkempt panther]

Several

[dense salmon]

It says salvo but isn’t that for guns?

[unkempt panther]

Let me see if I can find some of these guides, one sec.

[dense salmon]

Sustained fire talent on the void strike force staff

[unkempt panther]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4
Here's one that I know of, not sure if it's up to date. I'm sure others will be along after me to correct.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505
Look around there, and use google. There's a lot of resources. Maybe pinned comments in this channel or another one.

[dense salmon]

Thanks

I tried looking up how to use talents for around an hour and ended up finding the answer I want from a Reddit comment 4 years ago ( I think)

[prisma nova]

the best blessing for the inferno staff also talks about "in a magazine" and it procs for continued fire with left click and also using the charged right click.

a salvo more or less counts when you start firing.

not only for guns.

or more or less your staff is a gun?

[dense salmon]

Gunsword moment

Just like Vincent from vermintide

[ripe obsidian]

@rich spindle that was a brutal time for an oom crash

[rich spindle]

i jus got in the elevator cus I assumed you have a 40 already

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I do

that was my map

More dockets just means more gambling for force swords

[rich spindle]

degnerate....

[ripe obsidian]

Truly

[drowsy spire]

Is one of warp or immaterial worth the spec into for melee psyker or should I just spec to vulnerable minds?

[wind spruce]

one with the warp is very strong

[zealous wing]

one with the warp, then also vulnerable minds

[drowsy spire]

Ah okay I was just making sure bc I’m already doing no boss damage so I was just thinking idk if that 20% was going to make an actual difference

[drowsy spire]

Not enough for it

[zealous wing]

no boss damage? what are you using

[drowsy spire]

Well I’m using greatsword ofc but electro staff and smite

[zealous wing]

the FGS alone is extremely strong

do you have warp rider, and unstable power?

[drowsy spire]

I mean I can enfeeble ofc so they take more damage from everything but maybe I just need to max the staff first

[drowsy spire]

Lemme see

[zealous wing]

enfeeble is pointless for yourself

it stops when you stop smiting

[drowsy spire]

Not exactly charged strike still inflicts it I’m pretty sure

[zealous wing]

not from my testing

[drowsy spire]

So I should drop enfeeble?

[zealous wing]

you should drop smite imo but yeah enfeeble isnt doing you much at all

[drowsy spire]

Kk then I’ll be able to get vulnerable for it we want Cara and maniac for greatsword still?

[zealous wing]

unyielding carapace

unstable power and shred or unstable power and deflector

[drowsy spire]

Not shred and deflector?

[zealous wing]

no

unstable power is core

[wind spruce]

enfeeble definitely effects charged strikes damage, id assume every other source is affected too

[zealous wing]

then its over so quick it doesnt matter

[drowsy spire]

in all my 1k hours of dt idk why i never tried psyker seriously

I feel tankier then half the other classes at times

[wind spruce]

agreed

[drowsy spire]

Is anticipation always recommended?

[zealous wing]

no, but it is an option

[wind spruce]

enfeeble also makes charged strike tick quicker and it scales with enemy mass (or something correlated with enemy mass atleast)

[drowsy spire]

I don’t feel like I’m really dodging a crazy amount so I feel like it’s just there

[zealous wing]

hmm

see

thats concerning

[wind spruce]

you should be dodging pretty much all the time

[zealous wing]

i need scoreboard to give me a dodge counter

[wind spruce]

especially in melee

[zealous wing]

attacks blocked is usually sub10

[drowsy spire]

Well I dodge yes but I feel like I’m sustaining more then enough

I know the times when to dodge but I don’t feel like I’m getting the most out of anticipation idk

[zealous wing]

fair enough

it doesnt increase your dodge distance so its hard to see it working

[unkempt panther]

And one necessary tip for new payers: the weapon mastery unlock menu does not put those abilities on your weapons. It only makes them available for crafting at the crafting bench.

[rich spindle]

Good on fgs most other things don’t need it

[dense salmon]

This was the thing I was talking about earlier how I had to find a random Reddit comment from 4 years ago

It is not told at the start that that is what it does

[unkempt panther]

Yea, the UI is like purposefully bad and vague in this game.

[jovial juniper]

Nope

In fact I'd say the opposite

1 extra dodge isn't bad

And the linger dodge going from 0.2 to 0.3 is barely anything

So you just learn that not dodging for 0.85 seconds replenish all your dodges

So you kinda don't care about the extra dodge

[unkempt panther]

At first I thought anticipation was +50% dodge distance, but unfortunately it's not.

[unkempt panther]

I do wish that overheads didn't ignore blocking, basically. I would like to personally consider investing in block on my curious and weapon perk and kinetic deflection. However, because overheads exist, I just can't justify to myself doing it, because that means I can't block in a sticky situation in a horde because there are still things that basically one-shot me in spite of my investment into block, which makes me sad.

I think my attacks blocked per game is also like 5-15 usually, lol. It's all about dodge.

[cobalt bramble]

John Bible

https://giphy.com/gifs/blast-biden-easton-mKoOxBWaClQDQ3s2CU

[unkempt panther]

It is still super funny to be able to block a daemonhost for days, basically without limit, especially with shriek,

[rich spindle]

Block and dodge at the same time ezpz

[unkempt panther]

I guess one way that I should think about it is, every moment that I'm blocking, I'm not killing something, and so one should try to keep blocking to a minimum to improve kill rate.

[dull scroll]

the solution is

grab a knife

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YK2Cko7tHIM

[rich spindle]

lol the shriek right when the trappers charged up

Perfect timing

[dull scroll]

I thank the Emperor with all my heart for that timing 😌

[drowsy spire]

Do we need ability regen for melee psyker on curios or I can sub it for something else? I feel like I get my ability back insanely fast regardless

[ruby bloom]

If you are running brain rupture yes otherwise you can sub it

It’s ALL ability so it’s not really like a good sub tho

[zealous wing]

DC parry exists and still works on it iirc

[zealous wing]

if you find it coming back fast enough for you, then you dont need it

psykinetics aura does a LOT

blitz does not matter for curios

[ruby bloom]

Yeah also they changed how dodge works recently so as long as you are holding against an enemy and *moving you’ll dodge anything that isn’t a projectile

[zealous wing]

incorrect

[ruby bloom]

I can almost confirm with definite as long as you are moving during a dodge overheads don’t connect

I don’t think it was intentional because dodging trappers doesn’t work if your close to them anymore

[zealous wing]

so, how would you like me to test this

[ruby bloom]

Go for it, I was testing it to as long as you are moving you can basically be against them, I thought it was just chance too but it’s re-creatable

[zealous wing]

i asked how, not if i should

[ruby bloom]

Ah sorry

It’s pretty easy, just run against an enemy and dodge at the normal time you’d dodge back to avoid the overhead to the side

[zealous wing]

so what, be surrounded so you cant move?

[ruby bloom]

They will still step towards you but they almost never actually connect even if you aren’t out of range

You have to still be able to start the dodge, like a shove distance away enemies, and then rub against the overheader, and dodge left or right

[zealous wing]

so... normal dodging

got it

[zealous wing]

also, what do you mean by, this

[ruby bloom]

Less, you don’t have to get out of range of overhead and can just mini-dodge to the side even if you don’t have full distance

[ruby bloom]

Before event, trappers seem to not respect dodge I frame anymore

[zealous wing]

normal dodging

[zealous wing]

if a trapper net connects to you it grabs you

no i frame as im aware

doesnt even need to be aimed at you

if it had iframes, i can think of many situations involving bulwarks i'd not have been grabbed

[ruby bloom]

You can do it a little tighter if you’re pressing against them, but basically this tight but more enemies around you

More like, the described if ur surrounded and can’t really do anything

You can force dodges is a better way to say it

[zealous wing]

if theres that many enemies around you, youve got bigger problems

[ruby bloom]

Also .2s to dodge ranged

[ruby bloom]

Of course x3

I just think overhead guard breaks are like barely a problem

Like literally every time I’m overheaded I just think “I’m a fucking idiot”

The one mauler that’s tip toeing behind me

[unkempt panther]

DC parry? devil claw?

[ripe obsidian]

You'll need to play more, then. Soon you'll be exasperated by red crushers/maulers, silent crushers, hyperstacked crushers, maulers doing their entire overhead animation while inside a monstrosity...

Lots of bullshit ways to get overheaded

[unkempt panther]

Ninja silent crushers and poxbursters are my favorite part about this game.

[ruby bloom]

I live, left 4 dead taught me the loudest infected are also the quietest

Idk silent mauler 10/10 rage bait from the game but I live

The unpushable pox busters are my actual vex

Hit the crutch of the century just for the 1 pox buster left to tank 2 staff shots and a shove

[crisp ether]

Nah shit happens.

You straight up won't hear it when you least expect it.

[runic canyon]

funniest rn is the Crushers who ice skate/float around on maps and make no movement noise

Crusher levitates up behind you

[crisp ether]

also this is possibly the first time I have ever had to take a break from this game because my ears unironically kinda hurt from how much exploding was happening

[crisp ether]

Stimmed Crushers are also very fun.

[runic canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-already-dead-omae-wa-mou-shindeiru-fist-of-the-north-star-gif-14326210

[crisp ether]

EXTREMELY funny.

When they're red :^)

[runic canyon]

When I think I've dodged the overhead^

[ruby bloom]

It’s more so like of course but I should know better than to assume there isn’t a mauler following me through the whole map like myers

[ruby bloom]

When you spend 3 dodges and a slide and it still somehow connects

Also the crushers than don’t even give you the dodge noise because they are swinging BARELY in range

[ripe obsidian]

red stimm + final toll ragers are spooky

[hoary mauve]

I'm worse 😆. Every time I switch to another game that's not Dark Tide, and then return, I stupidly forget I'm supposed to dodge overheads and not strafe lol.

[ember jungle]

Try blue stimm nurgle bless rager. Stagger immune lol

[fluid knot]

Spot the souls gamer

[zealous wing]

blue is dmg resist now i believe

[deft stump]

Just ruin other games by spamming 'dodge' in those.

[hoary mauve]

I don't play the Souls games 😆. They sound really difficult. Dark Tide is my first "FPS" game lol

[upbeat kestrel]

fps games can be fun

you just need to like shooters

an dt has really good gun feeling

[hoary mauve]

Ya lmao. It's like "why can't I dodge or slide?"

[hoary mauve]

Yeah, I like how things feel so fluid in DT.

[upbeat kestrel]

then maybe selaco and wh40k boltgun

[zealous wing]

a friend got me into darktide because he saw how i moved in a different game with such a restricted movement capability, and he keeps trying to get me into soulslikes

idk he made a mistake making darktide first

darktide movement is SO fuckin clean

[upbeat kestrel]

tehn also

selaco and boltgun

[deft stump]

WHY AM I PINGING?! or WHY DID I JUST THROW A 'NADE AND MISSION IS NOW LOUD?!

[upbeat kestrel]

maybe witchfire

all games with great movement

[deft stump]

The latter is due to using dodge to move around faster at times, lul.

[hoary mauve]

Hahaha, maybe! I think my spouse half regrets introducing me to DT.

He has long wanted me to at least try Dark Souls 1 or Elden Ring, as he plays them on hard mode etc. Since I come from a gaming background of "cozy games", I reluctantly agreed to try DT.

But now ehh, he's long quit DT 😆.

[zealous wing]

oof

[upbeat kestrel]

both dark souls and elden ring have one diff setting

[hoary mauve]

SM 1: why's the dodge so clunky? 😆

[upbeat kestrel]

tell him about lords of the fallen 2023

if he hasnt played that already

however beware

it can be played in co-op from start to finish with sahred progression

[hoary mauve]

Ah okay, I probably confused it with another game. But yea, he runs around with just a sword and shield or something, because avoiding damage is much better than tanking damage

[runic canyon]

Gears of War rip off

[hoary mauve]

Ooo nice

[hoary mauve]

Ahh, thought it was mostly because it's a rather old game

[fluid knot]

Yes, but also no

Souls/Elden Ring's difficulty modifiers are built into the gear and items you can get

[upbeat kestrel]

i mean a difficulty as in you choose one at the start

[fluid knot]

Particularly in Elden Ring there are weapons that utterly trivialise the game and basically put you on easy mode

Yeah, I know what you meant

But its not really true

You can get stuff in the first hour that makes that game significantly easier

its as hard as you make it for yourself

[loud girder]

it's still 1 diff setting
They just didnt balance the game at all and u can break it in 10 billion ways

its by design

[upbeat kestrel]

i played 4 souls game

lotf2014 lotf2023 ashen and mortal shell

[loud girder]

wtf

[fluid knot]

They tried to balance it

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah

[fluid knot]

Almost did before releasing the DLC an at that point I think they gave up

[upbeat kestrel]

i really dont like mainline souls games from fromsoft

[loud girder]

the only balance they do is nerfing outright disgusting shit like rivers on release and like half of the dlc weapons

otherwise they let u make busted builds thank god

[loud girder]

they're the only good souls games

everything else is either ok or completely misses the point

[fluid knot]

BHB, still busted, Thrusting Shield, still busted, Claws of Night, still busted, Onion Rings, still busted, Lag-Grab sword, still busted... ad infinitum

[upbeat kestrel]

best souls game i played is lotf2023

after patch 2.0

[loud girder]

at least they nerfed backhand blades

[fluid knot]

"nerfed"

They didnt touch BlindSpot tho, or barely an that shit is giga-fucked

[loud girder]

i'll play that probs it looks decent

[loud girder]

been a while since i played ER but i remember they patched the insane tracking on it

[upbeat kestrel]

as i said earlier

can be played start to finish in co-op

[fluid knot]

Nah it still has the same tracking, they just took a small amount of i-frames off it, its still stupid

[loud girder]

good players can probably counter it by now

[fluid knot]

Well yeah, but also, latency makes every counter it has a trade

There is no "I can punish this for free" type counter

Unless sub 100ms

Which on PC... yeah... not the norm

[hoary mauve]

Oh I see

[upbeat kestrel]

what do you see?

[hoary mauve]

Oh, I meant "now I understand what you meant."

[marble crater]

That the conversation about difficulty just now was pointless, is what I see

[upbeat kestrel]

soul-like games usually preset one difficulty and thats it

[hoary mauve]

I think I've a long way to go before I even try Dark Souls lol 😆. Though there's this YouTuber who persuaded his non-gamer dad to try it.

[zinc phoenix]

When is the next patch or event coming?

Havoc is weaponized boredom so I’m not coming back for that and I already played enough of this event 😂

[plucky flax]

Next year

[fluid knot]

They're not this unsurmountable wall they get the stigma for. Seriously, simple concept, complex execution

[zinc phoenix]

Memorize boss -> beat boss -> repeat

[fluid knot]

Memorize boss? Just click Endure and mash till boss folds

[upbeat kestrel]

march at the earliest

[copper jay]

What is the best build for Psyker ? Still Inferno + Force sword Deimos/DS ?

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[zealous wing]

no dueling sword, and, depends how you define best.

[late sapphire]

Best? Arguably inferno bubble. Most fun? Definitely not inferno bubble.

[zealous wing]

HAH

inferno bubble is far from best

inferno shriek with a force sword

[honest heron]

its definitely smite psyker with greatsword and DD and scriers gaze

[zealous wing]

best barrel target for sure

[honest heron]

i got netted, directly pox burstered and lived the other day

ive also blown up barrels through walls I didnt see and fucked over my teammates 🙂

[candid mason]

somebody have a flames build?

[marble crater]

Check pins

[candid mason]

Good ty

[ripe obsidian]

That's red.

Blue is damage resist and carapace override

Red is stagger immune and faster attack speed. While the stagger immune doesn't stack with final toll, the attack speed does

A zoomy rager who you can't peel away from makes me feel :<

[flint mountain]

So I'm fooling around in the meat grinder and does blazing spirit on the blaze force great sword not apply to the projectile you can shoot with the sword?

I'm noticing a distinct lack of soul fire happening when paired with warp slice.

[thorn cedar]

It does not.

[verbal thistle]

It does not

[flint mountain]

My disappointment is immeasurable

[verbal thistle]

But you are a rare breed that did testing

You'd be surprised how many people I see running blazing and warp slice

[flint mountain]

I mean I usually fuck around in the meat grinder a bit if I'm trying new stuff.

I'm trying to think if it'd be super unbalanced if blazing spirit did apply to it cause man, that's a bummer

[jovial juniper]

It's because this blazing spirit is programed to be melee only

And the Warp Wind Slash isn't melee

https://tenor.com/view/peak-panda-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-1206829322030625047

[sage pulsar]

so like, who happens to know what you put on the power sword as a veteran?

[jovial juniper]

Power Cycler + Sunder/Brutal Momentum

Unyielding Flak Carapace

[sage pulsar]

thanks

[flint mountain]

Yeah but like, I imagine they could just program it to work if they wanted it to so I imagine it has to be for balance reasons.

[deft stump]

Also, sunder is usually better for havocs vs Bromentum.

[sage pulsar]

bromemtum?

also I'm gonna be asking lots anyway so... what about the helbore lasgun? As that one seems pretty cool.

[flint mountain]

I don't wanna be that guy but you might have more luck in the veteran channel than the psyker one with these questions.

[deft stump]

Brutal momentum.

Might have typo'd and my phone can't autocorrect that lul.

Bromentum is just how some shorten it.

[sage pulsar]

no I think it's spelled right but I had just never heard the shorthand before

[deft stump]

Ah, is fairly common when talking weapons with it tbh.

[sage pulsar]

well, it's the first time I heard it! And also the first time I'm really playing vet, since before this I exclusively played psyker.

[deft stump]

Heh. Well, explains it then. XD

[sage pulsar]

yep! Ya got any tips?

[deft stump]

Boomies gud, best friend. Always take Iron Will and 'nade regen.

Recon only gun you can run keystoneless.

Mostly cos expensive to hit all the nodes.

Never block except as last resort, only dodge if possible because blocking breaks Catch a Breath and Kill Zone even if you take no actual melee damage.

[sage pulsar]

interesting, any melee tips?

also, luckily I was already running reconlas as it's the only weapon I have high mastery with (since I used it on psyker)

[deft stump]

Just play as you would a staffker with an FGS.

Because you went sus choices.

[sage pulsar]

sus choices?

that bad?

[deft stump]

Staff+FGS jokes.

No mobility.

[sage pulsar]

aahh, ok yea fair

why would I need mobility if I have biiiig sword! xD

[deft stump]

You'll see with the power sword.