psyker-class

[sweet fractal]

It allows you to not have to aim, worry about spacing, or even worry about horde clearing

[white sky]

Assail doesn't force anyone to either aim nor engage with melee mechanics while they level a psyker because you can(i know because I've done it while leveling new ones) get away with only throwing assail shards for the entire first 3 difficulties.

[ripe obsidian]

Fuck you, game.

this would be a sub-10% WR

[white sky]

Could've been a goated warp res roll

[plucky flax]

Someone photoshop it.

[cosmic sigil]

I elaborated above. Smite but worse. Because it just kills everything a lower difficulties with not investment whatsoever

[ripe obsidian]

This is fair. I guess I have never used Assail as a primary weapon outside of goofing around, so it's not something I have dealt with

[zealous wing]

you can but you still have to kinda aim

assail follows your crosshair after all

[sweet fractal]

Not really

[white sky]

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad if you choose to use it selectively. But it also lets you engage in just spamming it.

[white sky]

Not in low diffs lol

[stone canyon]

Until it doesnt, just delays learning and doing that with incomplete talent starved build is harsh anyway

[white sky]

You can willy nilly throw rocks as psyker in leveling diffs

It works better if you aim

But you by no means have to

[ripe obsidian]

I've also just never used smite at all. It's so boring

[hardy citrus]

Isn’t aiming assail just sort of like

[zealous wing]

if you throw assail and look away, that assail is doing nothing

[hardy citrus]

Looking generally in the direction of a target

[cosmic sigil]

Learning what? You're just upgrading to smyker or bubble purga.

[white sky]

Hex please stop contriving arguments out of nowhere lmfao, no one said look away.

You throw it down towards whatever you want dead and it kills it

Ive done this

I've levelled 6 seperate psykers doing this

[cosmic sigil]

You're better than this

[stone canyon]

Well atleast to deal with endgame somehow, but yeah im no fan of Inferno meta, found it the most boring staff

[zealous wing]

but that IS aiming

[fair hollow]

I might be stupid what exactly am I looking for in pins? I'm sorry. The only thing that said "Cliffhanger tips" just linked the channel.

[white sky]

Spamming something down a hallway isn't aiming, you CAN aim with assail, it has an aim in mechanic. That's aiming.

[stone canyon]

"i fart in your general direction"

[white sky]

God I hate you.

[hardy citrus]

This feels like an incredibly pedantic argument

Assail is just

[white sky]

Thats all hexis does

[ripe obsidian]

Click on it, then read the post.

[hardy citrus]

Spam button looking in a general direction

And especially on lower difficulties assail will just wipe everything out

[white sky]

Its not aiming with i do this shit with an accatran, its defo not aiming when I do it with assail

[hardy citrus]

I think the next issue is a lot of psykers then upgrade to inferno and continue to not melee

[cosmic sigil]

That was my argument

Behold hvs Despacito

[white sky]

Or smite

[cosmic sigil]

The new psyker

[white sky]

This shit is also not aiming ime

[fair hollow]

Okay it just wasn't working when I clicked it for some reason but I got it thank you!

[white sky]

Its pointing in a direction and shooting

[cosmic sigil]

Why aiming when there's no incentive to do so.

Bro. I played Despacito twice in aurics. Second time i pulled the double of everyone else. I said: no more.

It was neither fun for me or everyone else.

[white sky]

I can't play Desp Scum in auric

Its too strong

[cosmic sigil]

Agree

[white sky]

Same reason I dont psyker in auric

[hardy citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464320039795818729/1464320248097411299/image.png?ex=6977ad00&is=69765b80&hm=a13ad98476bc367849775ba858e3fe404ccb993f6148ab313b0fa6fa19d6cffa&

[stone canyon]

I have no issues playing OP stuff aslong as its fun, my gaming skills still far from OP anyway

Inferno, not fun

Assail or smite arent either

Vraks despacito is

[white sky]

Desp is more fun than like

Inferno

But it wears off after the power trip ime

I also know how miserable it is to play with a good desp player

And I try not to subject other people to it

[hardy citrus]

Desperado is a downward graph

I start playing it and the first horde spawns

And I hold left click and spray into it

And it’s really cool

And then the next horde spawns and I hold left click and spray into it

And it’s kinda cool

And then the next and so on

Until I’m bored out my mind just spraying into shit

[stone canyon]

Thats what flamer feels, except you dont even really aim at anything but just spam in general direction. Atleast with Desperado you need to focus on specials and elites and for headshots and so on, spraying into hordes is just the usual horde clearing most classes have that goes beside it

And its one of the few builds that can afford to do it all ranged too which is fun change

[white sky]

Agreed

[hardy citrus]

Flamer is fine

It’s inferno that isn’t

[white sky]

Flamer is fine because you can't just do that, like pickpocket enables with guns and psyker enables by uh, existing.

[crisp ether]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ec5551-9fcf-4f9f-95bf-5ad1fbf9388e/temu-trauma-terror

[stone canyon]

Meant the flamer staff

[crisp ether]

ABANDON PURGE STAFF
EMBRACE BUBBLE KNIGHT 🗣️

[ripe obsidian]

Added

Do you want feedback or nay?

[crisp ether]

Go for it.

The build worked out real well but I'm open to suggestions.

[ripe obsidian]

I'd probably recommend dropping Perilous Combustion and getting Anticipation or Empathic Evasion. I've found that PC without any other source of Soulblaze is kinda mediocre, and ends up doing like 2% of your total damage at most. Just not enough spread to scale to a useful level

[crisp ether]

See. I was thinking this. Except I intended taking this into havoc.

[ripe obsidian]

And Quietude is probably not doing overly much if your peril is staying super high all the time, so I'd maybe more that over to Mettle

[cosmic sigil]

It's roughly 10% for me in Aurics. With a melekeer

[crisp ether]

You would be very surprised how much it helps because of just how much of an elite presence there is there.

[ripe obsidian]

I mean

I'm not surprised, I play exclusively H40

But I have found that without other soulblaze, things just die too quickly

For soulblaze to do much

[cosmic sigil]

Still not 2%

And in Aurics shit dies much faster

[crisp ether]

Like yesterday during that game. I don't think those rotten armor hordes would have cleared like they did without Perilous.

[ripe obsidian]

AgentChaos has a game somewhere that has like 2m damage as bubble knight, and 60k of it is soulblaze from PC

Is why he took PC off

[crisp ether]

Especially since it spreads through the hordes, providing damage on targets I can't actually reach sometimes.

[cosmic sigil]

One sb is not data tho

[ripe obsidian]

It was an example.

[cosmic sigil]

That's just anecdotal

[ripe obsidian]

It's not my only experience with PC on meleeker

[cosmic sigil]

Honestly. I dont mind taking pc off. But it's still 10% of dmg for me

[crisp ether]

That being said. Your suggest to change quietude to mettle.

It was definitely a thought in my mind.

But getting a good bonus to toughness from revving the fgs helps a bit too.

I'll try a game with mettle instead and see how that fares.

[ripe obsidian]

My question there is how much is that benefiting you if you're trying to stay at like 80%+ peril?

Especially with Warp Ghost, unless you're manually quelling

Quietude is good, it's just that you have limited sources of peril gen and quell

[crisp ether]

I might be wrong on this honestly.

Oh wrong message but uh

I think even if you're near max toughness, any big chunk of peril gain still provides the full benefits even if you've reached 100%

[ripe obsidian]

I can test

I don't think it does

It used to

[crisp ether]

Oh darn it.

[ripe obsidian]

logging in to test it

[crisp ether]

Alright, if that's the case, mettle it is.

I know it used to work like that for sure.

[plucky flax]

No I run pc on my bubble knight.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, SG peril gain also used to generate toughness even at 100% peril, too

[ripe obsidian]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

not in your build, you don't

[plucky flax]

Okay maybe I didn't update the gamelantern link

Cos I don't use that site

[fair hollow]

I GOT CLIFFHANGER

[ripe obsidian]

I got 8 toughness for using the FGS special at 90% peril

[crisp ether]

Mettle it is then.

[crisp ether]

Cuz quietude is essentially a dead node then.

[plucky flax]

I updated this build link anyway

I know pc not super gud but I have played enough bubble knight to think it's still worth it for that 5% chance per map getting shotgunners snowball.

[crisp ether]

Wait.

There is uh

One major issue though.

Mettle doesn't let me go into PC.

[ripe obsidian]

So it goes

[crisp ether]

That being said.

Soulstealer does.

So I might as well pick that.

Works out since Warp slash is op anyway

Edited.

[plucky flax]

75k soulblaze damage, even less than the recon las burn Xd
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1459061504690229371/image.png?ex=6977a92a&is=697657aa&hm=8df188c185e7e3681dfdcf16a014130b4c3fa4301a47dd6daf203f8f4cb93220&

[ripe obsidian]

yeah

75k soulblaze in 1.85m damage

[plucky flax]

It's worth it.

[ripe obsidian]

=|

[plucky flax]

That's how I outdamaged syllo.

[ripe obsidian]

4% damage

[crisp ether]

It's not the raw damage that gives PC its value tbh

[plucky flax]

It was a tight race.

[crisp ether]

It's a utility thing.

[plucky flax]

But pc prevailed.

[ripe obsidian]

I think PC is more convenience than anything. The DoT getting that last bit of damage on an elite you almost killed

on meleeker, at least

[crisp ether]

It's when you get a horde of elites that it really shines. I honestly wouldn't recommend it for Auric because the elite presence just isn't as significant there and things will die fast enough that it doesn't really matter.

But in Havoc, completely different story.

Seeing an entire horde of rotten maulers and ragers completely wipe so I can just deal with the crushers was a huge amount of breathing room for me and that wouldn't have happened if I didn't have PC.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. For what it's worth, Soulstealer does also work on soulblaze kills

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1464975783545143306/image.png?ex=69776c84&is=69761b04&hm=a3b41002b9ff9d2a0218d2a372a01ab21a0a7c77b46c81aa93ab09ca1c392ca3&

[plucky flax]

Bigbardin has such a way with words.

[crisp ether]

I mean I get the point but

[plucky flax]

For more context Xd
#psyker-class message

[crisp ether]

But honestly trying to compare stats with a good psyker just a futile effort

Unless you're playing scum.

[plucky flax]

I was on purga that round so it's almost impossibru.

I think I did around 6 or 700k more than the scum.

[crisp ether]

Sheesh.

[plucky flax]

I don't like to abuse it too much but if it's rot I just turn my brain off and play purga cos cba dealing 300 damage to a crusher with fgs.

Why did melee damage reduction become a thing

[white sky]

Because fatshark hates people who want to have fun

And would instead force people to use AoE and DoT spam

[plucky flax]

Rot armour change to buff psyker and to sell toxin scum. Xd

[white sky]

That's genuinely a conspiracy I hold

Rot Armor+Blight

Conveniently Needler+Box is very good into that

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-charlie-conspiracy-pepe-pepe-sylvia-gif-22483518

[dull scroll]

what could they be 🤔

[crisp ether]

I'm not taking pointers from Mr. E lmao

[jovial juniper]

1 hour

[dull scroll]

gotta cough up to see that lasgun assail build, anybody got cash I can borrow?

[plucky flax]

How can 1 man yap so much.

[prime elk]

wait

is bro actually charging for builds?

[crisp ether]

Huh

[zealous wing]

charging for what is likely a sub-par / generic gunker

[prime elk]

yiiiiiiikes

[zealous wing]

i am curious what "hybrid lasgun/assail" means

because

thats how you gunker

lasgun, assail

[plucky flax]

Scenes when it's just bubble knight.

[zealous wing]

considering he's called bubble inferno the havoc meta

i wouldnt doubt it

but alas

more permasmykers incoming

prepare for another wave of games being unplayable

[crisp ether]

If the world embraced bubble knight

[empty vapor]

Why is he so hated?

[crisp ether]

Not a bad player. But his takes are uh

Something.

Just to clarify.

This is the guy that said Hive Scum is the worst class.

[modest perch]

apparently he took over an hour to get to his super secret members only malice ready dn build

[zealous wing]

hey, malice is hard

clearly

[crisp ether]

And then said things that were just completely untrue as his take on that.

[zealous wing]

thats why the dev i saw in the wild had to permasmite the whole way through

[crisp ether]

Like Hive Scum not being able to amass the kind of damage that Psyker can, when it is one of the only classes even capable of doing so.

[zealous wing]

i will forever be baffled that THATS how i learned what the dev title was

[empty vapor]

I saw that video and I was a bit shocked by that statement

[modest perch]

oh to be on eu time. i havent seen one in the wild since ... idk maybe around launch ?

[empty vapor]

However, TBF, some points were spot on.

[zealous wing]

eu time and eu region

[empty vapor]

I think he meant worst not weakest

[zealous wing]

being in norway while fatshark is in sweden also helps

for more local servers

[crisp ether]

But then why make a take about their damage not being comparable to psyker when that isn't even true?

If that was really the metric, that's not even worth bringing up, let alone being, well, wrong about it entirely.

[modest perch]

cus hes an idiot

[empty vapor]

Worst as in "locked in 2 very strong play Styles, with many bugged perks and unable to cooperate much due to being forced to constantly kite"

I could agree on that tbf

[zealous wing]

was it him or tanner that compared two guns, tested one, and missed shots

[empty vapor]

Trying to "hold the line" without looking like a cocaine addicted on steroid is impossible

[zealous wing]

well thats because scum IS a cocaine addict on steroids

[crisp ether]

This ain't even true either. The time that he made the video, a lot of the jank was already fixed. And saying scum has only two strong playstyles.

Also just wrong

[empty vapor]

Dunno man, he certainly plays more than me. Maybe he has a deeper understanding or a bigger picture than me. And I can assume, of most of the players as well

[crisp ether]

And a lot of other players with quantifiable playtime feel the same way about that take

[crisp ether]

I'm at 3.6k hours and I think that's just a bonkers take to have.

It comes across as someone who really doesn't know the class and the heights it can reach when you get it down.

[zealous wing]

idk i feel like the phrase "hybrid lasgun / assail build, members only" sells it for me as he doesn't know shit

like, that ALONE

[crisp ether]

Like saying that

[zealous wing]

ignoring everything else

[crisp ether]

While zealot and ogryn are kinda shafted right now with how power crept everything else is right now

Is nuts.

[empty vapor]

Sure, maybe you are right

[zealous wing]

zealot CAN still hold their own tho

but, it is still shafted

[crisp ether]

Not that they're even bad classes at all

[zealous wing]

gotta play marty, gotta play SF, if you really wanna participate in the damage run

[empty vapor]

I think I saw a video of him complaining about ogryn being weak

[crisp ether]

He did actually do that.

And on that.

I can actually agree.

[modest perch]

sorta

[crisp ether]

But that's not really an uncommon take by any means.

[zealous wing]

ogryn is not DPS, its tank, but they definitely need to boost either the tankiness or dps to make it more fair

[modest perch]

game changed ogryn didnt change with it

[crisp ether]

Exactly

[zealous wing]

but rn its only viable for an actual tank role

[crisp ether]

The power creep pushed ogryn back down into a weird spot.

[modest perch]

its not power creep it's difficulty creep

[zealous wing]

ogryn frag

scum rocket

[crisp ether]

I don't even think FS realized how hard the hp changes would affect ogryn since they also slightly nerfed them in the same update.

[modest perch]

take a simple example - the kickback. by far my most used ranged weapon in both kills n time. there is so much more specialist spam since i started running it like 2 years ago that i cant reload fast enough to deal with all of them

also i swear every patch they remove 1 pellet n add 1 frame to the reload animation

[zealous wing]

i always jump back and forth between kickback and GG for trapper interruption

i want to love kickback

i do love it but

yeah its too slow for what it does :(

[empty vapor]

I like the stats part. I do not use mods, and understanding stuff a bit more is quite interesting

[modest perch]

or DOUBLING the health of crushers n maulers. thats an effective 50% dmg nerf to a frontline armorkiller

[modest perch]

theres too many specials. they are a blight upon this game n nerfing them into the ground should be the single highest priority

[zealous wing]

or just at the very least give ogryn weapons the punch they deserve

kickback should kill shit

in one shot, not 5 (fuckin 60m snipers >:( )

[modest perch]

ngl the past 2 points have weighed on me heavily in recent weeks

[empty vapor]

Poor ogryn

[white sky]

Id be supremely okay if power in general was lowered across the board, enemies, particular weapons and talent set ups

[modest perch]

as well as the stupid rpg being the only thing to make ppl realize how comically underpowered the nuke is

[white sky]

The engine clearly isn't handling the current amount of enemies well

[modest perch]

tbh outside havoc i dont get this density ppl talk about at least not thru the whole map

[empty vapor]

So who do you reckon is a more "knowledgeable" cc?

[white sky]

My opinion is very heavily skewed by havocs tbh

[modest perch]

only just enough of a mixed horde to obscure 50000000 specials

oh and 50000000 spread out ranged shitters

so yea i guess thats where the density went

[zealous wing]

fuckin stalkers >:(

[crisp ether]

Ryken and Reginald are two I recommend if you're really talking raw knowledge of the game.

I don't entirely agree with all of their takes, but I do feel they're more reliable than Mr. E's shown to be ime

[empty vapor]

I know them both

I just like to view some videos that are either funny or informative.

[sage pulsar]

what the heck did I just read. Someone actually charging for builds? Insane.

Anyway hello chat

[zealous wing]

mister e at it again

well, not the charging for builds (this is a first i think)
but, for bullshit

[sage pulsar]

I'll stay clear of him.

Honestly at this point generally I've accepted to not trust any youtuber that doesn't bring math into build videos of any game ngl

[empty vapor]

Charging for builds? In this economy?

[zealous wing]

charging for the rare and elusive "hybrid lasgun/assail"

[sage pulsar]

such a rare and secretive build, I really wouldn't know where to find a build that uses assail and a lasgun

[zealous wing]

shame we shall never find out

oh btw @sage pulsar this is what i meant earlier

[sage pulsar]

damn, that's like... not super noticable but enough that it's annoying

[hardy citrus]

Ok work over

Now I need to walk home

@zealous wing @ripe obsidian @hearty wolf I’m home in 30 odd

[hearty wolf]

eating rn

Going into work tomoz so will see

[unreal bridge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wBMbezT2sX8?si=31NW2OHbyLjXY1MQ

What do you guys think of this lol

[pure plinth]

usually i would take a gun with scriers and dd

[low merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/this-sucks-butt-head-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e1-this-is-bad-gif-3093075322669168618

[pure plinth]

and spec more points into dd for perfectionism

i... don't really see the vision for this build

[zealous wing]

the vision is, "inferno staff strong" (its not, its the soulbaze that is strong)
"speed go brr" (i agree with this part)

[pure plinth]

you get more use out of left keystone for purge

[zealous wing]

knife psyker warp speed is a helluvadrug

(do not the inferno scriers DD. you will suffer)

[pine tundra]

Trying to optimize how I play Flame bubble psyker:

When Ragers/Disablers appear I should > left click flame staff to stun > use flame secondary

When Horde is in a choke or concentrated > hold flame staff secondary

When Armored/Crushers appear > Use Melee

When rotating/moving > spam flame left click

[zealous wing]

ideally, when armour, you :

but with bubble, inferno stave is severely uh... hindered

but this method still works, just will take a little longer because you cant produce as many fire stacks

[pine tundra]

Would this work with Dueling sword or after the nerf I should just go Flame GS?

[zealous wing]

you'd also only charge the staff about 45% or lower to maintain blaze away stacks

and uh

deimos force sword for inferno, because stacking uncanny

it COULD work with a dueling sword but you would need to actually poke them in the face

where force weaponry push attack is a weakspot hit from 9m away

[pure plinth]

dueling sword also doesnt have superiority

[zealous wing]

as for greatsword, no, as it doesnt have uncanny

but yes, LMB for high stagger to create space

RMB for the actual damage part

[pine tundra]

Ok this is what i've been using

[hardy citrus]

Which still means inferno is strong though

What

[zealous wing]

not with scriers dd it isnt

[hardy citrus]

Because it’s a strong reliable way to apply soukblaze to huge amounts of enemies

[pine tundra]

Mind linking me yours?

[zealous wing]

theres a guide in the pins with everything, but ye i can send screenshots

[zealous wing]

sword: warp resistance dump normally, i just have this and i like it
kinetic resonance: recommended against, my personal preference, you should put that on warp ghost

the maniac on the sword can also be swapped for carapace

i flip back and forth because im indecisive

and i have 3 main psykers so things also get a lil lost

[pine tundra]

Thanks, just made one

[zealous wing]

if you plan to take it to rotten armour havoc swap it to carapace for sure

but otherwise its good for extra mutie damage to get back to setting things on fire faster

tis main reason i flip back and forth

[hardy citrus]

Does it hit a mutie breakpoint?

[zealous wing]

technically deimos can oneshot muties either way

in auric at least

i didnt load psyk in h40 to test

i should, but i was looking at the burgle for reference, didnt need h40 burgle for that

[pine tundra]

I noticed most builds dont use Empyric Resolve, is it not good enough?

40% peril gen sounds too good to not use

[jovial juniper]

It's good

But optional af

[zealous wing]

must also consider, -30% toughness regen

[sage pulsar]

I'll come in and say though, it's comfy when learning to manage peril.

granted you have something to outweigh the negative

[zealous wing]

its usually saved for the peril hungry staves, like trauma and voidstrike

[pine tundra]

Ok cool i'll try quietude instead of Empyric

Thanks all

[sage pulsar]

also tried a few more games in quickplay earlier.

My ass should not play something like surge surge when tired as fuck. I think I blew myself up more in the last hour then the entire day before that.

[zealous wing]

oof

[sage pulsar]

yeeep. Berpsyker when it gets late, I know now

[zealous wing]

lol

it be that way

[sage pulsar]

also, there's a mod to have some of the perk icons in the middle of the screen right? What's it called, cause I might want that to keep an eye on warp unbound deactivating

[zealous wing]

ooh i got two for you then

well, three total

[sage pulsar]

Cool!

[zealous wing]

custom UI, better buff management
these two will let you a) choose which buffs to show where you want them, and b) put them where you want them

then, warp unbound timer

its, pretty self explanatory

the annoying part of BBM is, the buffs are called differently in the code

the better part is, i can probably help you hunt down what they're actually called

[sage pulsar]

Ah, good ol difference between logical and shown names. Yea i feel that lol.

But awesome! Well I'm done playing for today, but mind helping me set up some mods sometime then? I feel i could use some different ui elements

[pine tundra]

and just lost Auric Maelstrom Surivivor again :(

[zealous wing]

oof

what got you

[pine tundra]

i feel like im doing everything right, its when I go to save teammates I die

[zealous wing]

this is valid

sometimes you have to just let them die

[pine tundra]

One teammate dies to trapper/crusher/grenadier
one teammate dies to Crusher,

I try to res and get mutant pox'd and overwhelmed by horde

sadge :(

[zealous wing]

:(

[sage pulsar]

Rip

[pine tundra]

I refuse to make a premade for this acheive, but man the general player base.....not great

I know im not amazing, but im usually the last down

wish there were better tutorials for newbies

[zealous wing]

what region are you?

[pine tundra]

NA

[zealous wing]

e or w

[pine tundra]

E

[zealous wing]

i could tag in

[sage pulsar]

it'd be around what... 120 ping?

[zealous wing]

ye

120-150

slightly less if its feeling friendly

[sage pulsar]

yea, more then doable. honestly

oh yea, I'm guessing yes but kinetic flayer kills count as brain rupture kills right?

[zealous wing]

ye

[hardy citrus]

if u do

ill hop in for a few too

i could do with getting ASS

hmm

didn't think about that one

Auric storm survivor

[zealous wing]

@pine tundra what say you

[sage pulsar]

figured. Nice, means I just have to keep it on and eventually I'll get that achievement.

but then.... assail is also still amazing.

[zealous wing]

lol the pick n mix one or

because kf has 12s cooldown

[sage pulsar]

no not pick n mix, there's also one for general kills

[zealous wing]

ah yeah then

should

[zealous wing]

also, couldn't we all

[hardy citrus]

[sage pulsar]

also just checked, yea the achievement I meant is prioritise target. Kill 200 elites or specials with brain rupture. .

[zealous wing]

should have that in a few havocs at the rate we were going

hopefully with me less wonky

[sage pulsar]

that's true. And hopefully with someone having enough crowd clear I can actually take brain rupture.

also when do we get the havoc rewards?

[burnt gazelle]

when week rolls over so in like 1-2 hours or smth

[sage pulsar]

so 1am my time, I see.

[hardy citrus]

I PRAY ROTTEN OR BLIGHT FUCKS OFF INTO THE SUN

[zealous wing]

preferably blight of the two

[sage pulsar]

seeing that is just like an instant 100% peril

[hardy citrus]

id rather rotten go

but blight is fine too

id much much much rather rotten

[zealous wing]

rotten is just civi mael on steroids

blight is

[hardy citrus]

it's way worse than that

blight is fine i find

i juist dont stand on it

small adjustments in playstyle

zealot aura or crate required but im fine with playing zealot

its my best class

[zealous wing]

the main thing is blight is 100% hivescum p2w and i want it gone

but they probably wont, because people are still buying the hivescum DLC so they'd want to stretch all the possible reasons why people are buying it

i just hope if rot goes away its not stims coming back

fuck stims

[sage pulsar]

stims?

[zealous wing]

gives enemies hard to see changes in eye colour and buffs

[burnt gazelle]

did they adjust it so it doesn't make Nearly Invincible Rager

[zealous wing]

they moved the stun immunity to red and kept DR on blue

and oh yeah the stim colours make no fuckin sense

attack speed on red

what does yellow do? i dont fuckin remember

was just a bunch of "what random bullshit do we want to add? k pick a random colour"

all i know is i had to run arby with dog to pin blue ragers

and i got REAL good at dog micromanagement because of it

[sage pulsar]

honestly maybe I should re-build my arby sometime.

[dusk wren]

they should make a woke rainbow stimmed enemy

[ripe obsidian]

yellow is like 400% headshot damage taken but 300% more bullets per bullet

[zealous wing]

see!? RANDOM BULLSHIT

[ripe obsidian]

(4) Yellow Stimm
• adds yellow VFX to enemies' eyes and yellow particles to enemies' bodies
• reduces incoming damage by 35%; increases weakspot damage taken by 300% (the effective damage increase is lower because of the base reduction of incoming damage)
• increases both melee and ranged attack animation speed by 30%
• increases the number of shots fired per shooting action by 400%; does not apply to shotgun blasts; this effect stacks multiplicatively with the hidden Havoc modifier that buffs enemy ranged attacks; for example, a Scab Stalker in a Havoc Rank 37 mission can fire 9 shots per action, but if stimmed, the same Scab Stalker would fire 45 shots per action
• increases enemy hit mass by 50% which makes enemies harder to cleave; weapon blessings like Devastating Strike, Perfect Strike, Savage Sweep, Shock & Awe, Sunder, and Wrath that buff an attack's effective hit mass limit can mitigate this effect
• grants an impact_modifier of -50% which makes enemies harder to stagger; talents like Arbitrator's Break the Line, Forceful, Nuncio-Aquila, Terminus Warrant, The Emperor's Fist, or Ogryn's Crunch!, Impactful, Slam, or Veteran's Competitive Urge, Executioner's Stance, or Zealot's Grievous Wounds, Punishment, as well as weapon blessings like Hammerblow, Thunderstrike, Trauma, etc, that buff an attack's stagger strength can help mitigate this effect

I had it backward

300% headshot damage taken and 400% more bullet per bullet

"a Scab Stalker in a Havoc Rank 37 mission can fire 9 shots per action, but if stimmed, the same Scab Stalker would fire 45 shots per action"

[zealous wing]

" Scab Stalker would fire 45 shots per action"

[ripe obsidian]

Yellow is objectively the most dangerous

[zealous wing]

blight + stims = must have scum and arby with dog

[ripe obsidian]

Green is, for some reason, the only one with a timer

Green lasts 100 seconds

[pine tundra]

Wow
Venting Shreik + Flame is REALLY strong
I feel like my DPS doubled from Bubble psyker

[zealous wing]

easily so

[pine tundra]

I thought I'd miss the protection from bubble, but all the stuns and passive toughness regen is really crazy

[ripe obsidian]

Welcome to the way of the flame

[zealous wing]

more fire is always the answer

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[sage pulsar]

one day I'll finish my other staves so I, too, can do some fire shenanigans.

[zealous wing]

that one day may be soon

you'll have diamantine for a lil bit

[sage pulsar]

also true. And I do have my trauma staff. That one uses fire right?

[zealous wing]

generally yes

no fire on a rending trauma build

blazing trauma is what you've seen me using

[sage pulsar]

yea, that's the one that seems fun. Honestly

[zealous wing]

it is :D

very versatile as well

[sage pulsar]

but I'm guessing the staff also needs to be pretty high level, for the charge speed and stuff?

[zealous wing]

ye

[hardy citrus]

they'll bring it back and it'll be yellow only

so eevery game is 4 desperado

[sage pulsar]

yea, figured I could squeeze my way out of it with surge surge but I suppose I'll have to put some more work into the trauma staff.

[hardy citrus]

guessing theres no darktiding going on so ill go back and play more human revo

[zealous wing]

i am ingame but yeah seems wolves is not interested atm

[hardy citrus]

ill be checking in a bit for havoc

[weary idol]

I still fucking hate blue stimms

even nerfed they're still aids

[ripe obsidian]

Better than an unstaggerable, 90% damage reduction, carapace override Dreg rager

That you just cannot get away from

Now you can knock them over

[zealous wing]

nice

[hardy citrus]

well

looks like blight and rotten are both still in?

[zealous wing]

i have red and orange lol

blight is still in

[hardy citrus]

i have rampage blight psi

yep

rotten is too

come on man what the fuck is the point

the same shit ass modifiers for months

[zealous wing]

and rot

yeah

[hardy citrus]

w/e

[zealous wing]

still cant decide if i want to personality scourge my fem savant into a fem seer

i like fem seer, but i also need at least one savant for the banter

and male savant can stay off my roster

.-. i need more character slots

[sage pulsar]

meanwhile I just got my havoc rewards so that was indeed a nice amount of stuff.

Finally have some 400+ curios, upgraded both my force sword and trauma staff to yellow. Now just need to get more mastery on the trauma staff later.

luckily it's already at like, 70~% regen out of 80

[ripe obsidian]

Hate.

[pine tundra]

Oh hey sorry I went and made dinner
im free to play now if you still are up for it

[hardy citrus]

I'm around if hex is

[zealous wing]

i am

[hardy citrus]

opening game

@pine tundra @zealous wing

[pine tundra]

we're in party

[zealous wing]

ye we're squadded

did you crash?

[pine tundra]

yes

reconnecting

[thorn cedar]

what the

since when did

wall shield + EP = buffed wall shield damage

was this always true how did i never notice

[zealous wing]

uh

weird

maybe six or ainz can say why

[thorn cedar]

6 ticks of damage get boosted from 15 per tick to 75

thats a bit more than 200% huh

what a mystery

oh well we take shield wall buffs around here

[ripe obsidian]

15 to 75 would be 500% total damage

[thorn cedar]

thats what makes it so mysterious

no benefit from enfeeble

i shall name this new phenomenom the "wacky shit i havent quite had explained to me yet".

[hardy citrus]

holy fuck LMAO

reminds me of this

[white sky]

It's the simultaneous fire bombs on both sides for me

[hardy citrus]

yeah i love tghe game spamming flame everywhere

i prefer it to tox tho tbh

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian

tiding?

It's 1am

I stay up for this

this is prime gaming hours

[ripe obsidian]

The mutie tried to save you

[ripe obsidian]

I am not aboot at the moment

[hearty wolf]

😭

[hardy citrus]

[hearty wolf]

okay

@hardy citrus let us begin

without six

as he is a traitor

[hardy citrus]

sure

[ripe obsidian]

I am a traitor

[hardy citrus]

yeah u are

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, it is the Moebian Sixth

They're named after me

[hearty wolf]

SevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSevenSeven

I haven't actually heard that line in ages

The captains rarely speak even

[ripe obsidian]

Captains tend to die pretty quickly with the shroudfield zealot meta

[hardy citrus]

shroud isnt even zealot meta

fury is much more popular

I just like shroud

[ripe obsidian]

I have not seen a FotF Zealot in ages

It's 70% shroudfield, 25% book, 5% FotF

And most of the shroud zealots are bad

[hardy citrus]

[hearty wolf]

Yo does no one play this game

where is everyone

[hardy citrus]

resetting game

it's 1am tbf

[hearty wolf]

idc I wanna play >:(

[hardy citrus]

2 if ur in other countries

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042857671088427058

[hardy citrus]

cant talk too much

since mum sleeping in next room

[hearty wolf]

ok

[hardy citrus]

but can join

[hearty wolf]

np

[raw flax]

good roll?

[modest perch]

very nice. id upgrade it a bit tho cus 68 cloud radius seems kinda low

[raw flax]

ye i bumped it to 80 and i have 15 wr 48 qs rn

keep going or leave as is once i max the 3 80

[modest perch]

leave it

thats awesome

[raw flax]

bet time to go head pop

[ripe obsidian]

Decent. Maxing quell speed would put you at like 45% warp res

Losing quell speed is a big deal.

Just 60% vs 80% is like 30% slower quelling

[pine tundra]

@zealous wing Thanks for the runs!

[zealous wing]

ah you done?

or did it kick me already

i got DCd

[zealous wing]

if you're done, ggs, was good games

[pine tundra]

taking a break but ill hit you up when im back on

[zealous wing]

sounds good

[hardy citrus]

@hearty wolf i am once again requesting scoreboard

[hardy citrus]

ngl

this team had so much boss damage

and also I had terrible shroudfield rotations

it was perma on cd when bosses were up

not even playing a tank based setup

I griefed at the end by standing outside the train

[hearty wolf]

ye tbh you should have listened to what that guy said

abotu using the medkit before final drop

[hardy citrus]

im ngl

i didnt even see it

[hearty wolf]

It's all good

[hardy citrus]

I mean

I played really well there

[hearty wolf]

That was a 0 disable game from em btw

[hardy citrus]

outside of the one bit where I walked into a big open field with 60 gunners shooting me

[hearty wolf]

we do not count that ledge at the end >:(

[hardy citrus]

what did u think of this vet

[hearty wolf]

Ngl, I was too worried about my fps being utter dogshit and I wasn't moving forward so * no one* was

until you did at the end xd

But his krak grenades had decent value

[hardy citrus]

I saw red

[hearty wolf]

and everyone gave me nades

[hardy citrus]

I was a bit worried when I saw him running autogun

but yeah he felt reasonably consistent

he didn't die

that was the big thing for me

I can forgive players not doing a ton if they're surviving and still contributing honestly

[hearty wolf]

I'm just a bit miffed I couldn't play aggro but

That was more of an example of how I play when I play "properly"

[hardy citrus]

I think it ended up working out for that group

yeah

[hearty wolf]

you are the first person to see that in months

[hardy citrus]

nah u did it before istg

[hearty wolf]

And only because the game decided to shit itself xd

[hardy citrus]

when we played like, second time

[hearty wolf]

On Scum unlikely since I've been limit testing how far I can pull ahead but I think I'm not gonna do that anymore without VC

Too often I get into a situation where I need to backpedal from crushers and then find the one piece of random ass debris and die

and I cba losing 40 runs to learn where hidden debris

[hardy citrus]

This is my best bit of the previous mission

sole reason i run flamer

[hearty wolf]

bruh

that dodge from me at the end

I fucking teleported lmao

[hardy citrus]

yeah

[hearty wolf]

I didn't realise that's how fast Scum looks on other people's screens

[hardy citrus]

scum goes real fast

especially with shivs

u get some big ass dodges

[hearty wolf]

that looks so nice though

I have feed consolidated on that but I did notice it

[hardy citrus]

Scum feels fantastic to dodge around on

[hearty wolf]

There was a part that game which was very scary

Where rot crushed us against the wall and for sure thought we were dead

[hardy citrus]

ngl the only part I actually got worried on was after I had died

everything else never felt like an issue ngl

u having rockets and being fed nades made rot feel like a total non issue

[hearty wolf]

The rockets or rot don't seem to count my crusher kills or something

[hearty wolf]

500k from rockets doesn't seem very much

[ripe obsidian]

did ya win?

[hearty wolf]

The melee elite damage is pretty funny xd

[ripe obsidian]

here's my last game with Agent

700k rocket to 900k melee

[hardy citrus]

we steamrolled imo

we had legit 0 issues

[hearty wolf]

Was this into rot?

[ripe obsidian]

Rot + orange, I think

We were functionally a trio b/c the psyker died 3 times then quit

[hearty wolf]

I wasn't worried about it. I know it might have looked like we were a little scared but I was spam pinging through the vent purge to figure out how many gunners there was

[zealous wing]

i've been posting clips in another discord, and the clip potentially giving me a gaming buddy is me getting merc'd by 2 snipers and a mutie 😭

[hearty wolf]

I was confident I'd survive but I idk about the other two and that would make it a bit scary

[ripe obsidian]

At one point both Agent and I had our own Pogryns + a rot horde

so we were kiting in circles

passed each other once or twice

[zealous wing]

oof

[hardy citrus]

that's sort of what worried me

coordinating the run to the medicae was good though

[ripe obsidian]

We won

[zealous wing]

still spooky

[hardy citrus]

I cant believe how much damage u did to those ogryns at the end

but generally u and the vet did a lot of boss damage

made it hard to get good stabs

[hearty wolf]

Yeah they evaporated xd

[hardy citrus]

they died faster than i could activate my sword and shroud

[hearty wolf]

I had to let one of my rampage's die a bit early because I was trying to keep it for one of those next POs

[hearty wolf]

Idk how he got that much value out of nades then. All of my rockets were into packs and I ran back to get greandes from a previous room about 3 times

There were a few times a crusher did a Mr President

I was also have terrible performance problems for whatever reason

[ripe obsidian]

I was CC Arby

I bunched them up

[hearty wolf]

I never experienced this on my RX3070 and 5600x

AMD cards just crap ig

[hearty wolf]

We actually had

an insanely fun comp

Scum, vet, zealot, arb

It's a lot of fun with no psyker

All melee, all the time

And ofc there was no blight so that was good fun

[hardy citrus]

i think it worked because no blight tbh

but we also have rampage toll locked in for tomorrow when we play

which will be pog

I'm working <t:1769450400:t> to <t:1769464800:t> tho

shitty short shift

[hearty wolf]

Ah another late one

[hardy citrus]

most of what i do is lates

[hearty wolf]

I think that works out since that's when my gf is around

that also explains why you are awake now

[hardy citrus]

oh no

I'm awake now because I'm a filthy degenerate and have an abhorrent sleep schedule

the work has nothing to do with it

[zealous wing]

mood

the work lets you get away with it guilt free

[hearty wolf]

xD

[hardy citrus]

i still feel guilt

i just dont care

[hearty wolf]

Oh wow that Arb blocked 150 attacks

jesus christ

[hardy citrus]

rare player actually using block

[zealous wing]

what weapon

[hardy citrus]

i block more attacks on zealot than anyone else because activating the relic blade counts as a block

[hearty wolf]

shield maul iirc

[zealous wing]

that would be why

charging

BTL might also count as block, if he had BTL

[hearty wolf]

he did ya

[hardy citrus]

btl does i believe

[hearty wolf]

Huh that's interesting actually

I didn't realise the impact of any of his BTLs

[hardy citrus]

see

btl works because it lets u slam the rotten wall back

when there's no rotten wall to slam

it has a lot less value

[ripe obsidian]

BtL is a block, and a dodge

Can avoid nets

[hearty wolf]

I used BtL exclusively when I played Arb

minus a few games with nuncio because I needed to end a loss streak

The oubliette incident

Iirc it was red purple and it just took like 40 attempts to beat it

almost an entire week

[zealous wing]

oof

[hearty wolf]

It's quite a tough map with a lot of points of failure

like, almost the entire map is a point of failure

[hardy citrus]

which end event was oubliette?

[verbal thistle]

assassination

torrent

[hardy citrus]

ah yeah

that's a punishing one

[ripe obsidian]

one of the harder ones

[hearty wolf]

The assassination is more or less free, it's just everything up to it

[hardy citrus]

the assassinations are always free

[hearty wolf]

That map also has the 7 bosses on spawn quite frequently

[hardy citrus]

because u group up and just glomp him in a corner

[hearty wolf]

Either way was very fun despite tech issues

Although the tech issues because pretty funny at the end

Plague Ogryn slide show where it goes from full to dead between frames

[hardy citrus]

ur greatest threat is unironically gravity

because u cant stab it

[hearty wolf]

Actually true

[hardy citrus]

oh right

[pulsar cedar]

you love to see it

[hardy citrus]

forgot to send u this

@hearty wolf

[hearty wolf]

How can I go so far 😭

[hardy citrus]

game was not designed for nimble

[hearty wolf]

I actually have learned a lineup for that dodge now so I collide with the railing

[hardy citrus]

LMAO

or u could, y'know

maybe not slingshot urself off the edge

[hearty wolf]

But speed

[hardy citrus]

an extra second wont kill you

you have to walk the distance you dashed out back to get to the door anyway

[ripe obsidian]

At least Oubliette kills you early if it's gonna kill you

[zealous wing]

or at the mid event

or in the big area after mid event

or in the big area after the big area after mid event

or in the big area after the-

[fast prawn]

need a new staff in my life

[ripe obsidian]

still not as bad as Ascension Riser

[zealous wing]

not even close

for one, you and the enemies are firmly planted on the ground a majority of the time

ascension riser doesnt give you that luxury

[arctic crag]

hello psykers, does the talent Penetration of the Soul, which increases rending up to 20% based on peril affect the soul flame debuff

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. But don't take it.

[zealous wing]

it does affect soulblaze, but the amount is extremely negligible

[arctic crag]

is it really that negligible? i mean idk i feel there arent many better options for what ive built and im struggling with where to shift around the last talent points

[ripe obsidian]

it is a maximum of 4% additional damage on all non-crusher enemies

[zealous wing]

if its an inferno build, grab a force sword with uncanny and that will give you far more benefit

[ripe obsidian]

and killing crushers with soulblaze is a bad idea

[arctic crag]

damn 💀

[arctic crag]

true

[zealous wing]

a bad idea, unless you know HOW to do it

and it involves no penetration of the soul nor penetrating flames

[arctic crag]

kinetic flayer and let team handle it 🗣️

[zealous wing]

uncanny stacking

force sword push attack is always a weakspot hit, with 9m range

inferno, shriek, deimos sword with uncanny

and, kf

build guide in the pins has a lot of helpful info

[arctic crag]

woah woah woah woah

uncanny affects the soulblaze???????????

[zealous wing]

yeah

[arctic crag]

genuinely life changing information

[zealous wing]

perks and blessings of the weapon you hold affects dots

damage over time

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze has over 100% armor damage modifiers on everything not carapace, which means brittleness/rending has like 75% reduced effectiveness

[arctic crag]

ye

[zealous wing]

ie, bleed, toxin, and soul blaze

[arctic crag]

thank you both this is incredible

[fringe tangle]

Lightning Staff Rework Idea

1. Have the charged attack be about 20% stronger overall and make carapace enemies take bonus damage since they're encased in metal and as we know most metal is very conductive.
2. Alter the primary attack so that the generic bolts it fires are balls of lightning, which can chain between enemies (like 4 or 5, but no stun), but are weaker at single target compared to the normal energy bolts.
3. Add a unique blessing that can add more chain lightning to both types of attacks at the cost of some damage.

These changes would make the Lightning Staff great again, like back when it had that bug from EP that made it do double damage.

[ripe obsidian]

Charged attack would be ~20-30% stronger if it weren't bugged.

[verbal thistle]

why does ek need to be stronger?

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, fix that as well.

[fringe tangle]

Because it is not that good anymore. Has been majorly power creeped.

[verbal thistle]

not that great anymore? Its still probably the best staff for auric

[fringe tangle]

no lmao

[verbal thistle]

and the answer to power creeping being more power creep is not the answer when the game engine is dying trying to work

[ripe obsidian]

both H40 EK games

[fringe tangle]

I bet you used the primary attack for a lot of that damage though, the charged attack is anemic af.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Charged attack is weak because it's not scaling properly and Fatshark's bugfix time is slow as hell

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, I wish they would fix it.

The other thing I don't like is how 3/4 staffs have the same primary attack. I would like them to make the primary unique for EK.

[obtuse dome]

I can use any other staff then that has that primary

[fringe tangle]

exactly.

[obtuse dome]

Doesnt mean EK is any good

[verbal thistle]

ek has the strongest primary though

[dense flume]

EK has better stats for left click

[obtuse dome]

Thats just psyker being busted.

[verbal thistle]

no

[obtuse dome]

The staff is still ass now

[verbal thistle]

not really

[fringe tangle]

does it? I thought they were all exactly the same apart from fire staff well... shooting fire for it's left click.

[dense flume]

🤷‍♂️ it's my current favorite ranged on melee builds

[verbal thistle]

highest base crit + the crit stat

[obtuse dome]

Idk i could never.

Just left clicking all game sounds …. Ugh

[verbal thistle]

okay

doesnt mean it needs buff if you dont like it

[obtuse dome]

Secondary needs buffs

[verbal thistle]

right click still has use too

no

it needs fixed no buff

[obtuse dome]

Yes imo

[fringe tangle]

I used to like Ek back when it had a bug that benefitted it.

the EP bug

[obtuse dome]

Thats just another word for it now

[verbal thistle]

no

its literally bugged

the right click

[obtuse dome]

How is it bugged?

[fringe tangle]

It does less damage then it is meant to.

[obtuse dome]

So….it needs a buff?

Just kidding

[fringe tangle]

Yeah, so if they fixed the bug it would get buffed more or less.

[verbal thistle]

Crit damage isnt being applied to the charged attack plus something else minor iirc

@ripe obsidian what was it exactly?

[ripe obsidian]

Crit scaling isn't applied to RMB

[fringe tangle]

Psyker needs a staff update in general, they're pretty neglected. Two new staffs and staff fixing would be nice to see.

[ripe obsidian]

it's outside of brackets

Current damage:

660 * (1 + 0.24) = 818.4
818.4 * (1+(0.5 * 0.6)) = 1063.92

Proper damage:

660 * (1 + 0.24) = 818.4
818.4 * (1+(1 * 0.6)) = 1309.44

[verbal thistle]

funny

[pine tundra]

How does Blaze Force Sword knockback work?
Im literally in the face of a crusher and it didnt knock him back and I died

Thought it was 9m

[verbal thistle]

it does heavy stagger

but if they have stagger build up they wont stagger

[ripe obsidian]

crushers have 6 seconds of immunity after being staggered

[ripe obsidian]

I just had 5 or 6 flamers take turns pushing me into a corner

that was some bullshit

I couldn't move because as soon as 3 of them finished, the next 3 started burning me

and then a silent poxburster killed me through a wall. This is not my game

[plucky flax]

Tru things die so fast there.

[ripe obsidian]

what a game this was

I will forever remember being bullied by 6 flamers at once. Or at least remember until tomorrow.

[crisp ether]

ek staff will straight up get you kicked out of games

that's how strong it is in auric lmao

[fringe tangle]

who tf are you playing with. Literally never been kicked for using any weapon.

[obtuse dome]

Never got kicked from a game.

Mustve been a 3 man or smth

And they decidet to kick you for someone else or smth.

[crisp ether]

they thought i was macroing

and kicked me

because surge m1 build is ridiculously busted for auric

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nhp9QlbI2Zo

How it feels to play with EE.

[stone canyon]

I need to start using force swords, that push seems handy

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1425911705703026800/Desktop_2025.10.09_-_19.22.48.04.mp4?ex=69785a02&is=69770882&hm=391b615c1a6f0c8d276d0801530514d6c477a79a6c9e754816a8500b1d6ecd84&

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

This is accurate

[plucky flax]

2 psykers front lining into shooters

Now scummers also join the ee abusing party

[ripe obsidian]

I'm mildly torn on it as a design choice. On one hand, you shouldn't be able to just ignore ranged enemies. On the other, with so many enemies shooting at you, there has to be some way to move forward

Two problems perpetuating each other

[plucky flax]

Give all characters range imunity.

Turn this game into a melee game.

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh that might even be a good idea.

VT2 with Darktide movement, please

[plucky flax]

That's vt3.

In 10 years

Not sure if their next game is going to be vt3 or dt2. Cos dt earn them more money via premium cosmetics.

[ripe obsidian]

VT3 with DT monetization

[plucky flax]

And none of the cosmetics from vt2 transfer over.

Like when dt2 comes out, all your premium dt1 cosmetics are in the bin.

They literally release the same sets again and charge you

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark? Do such a thing?!

Yeah, probably.

[potent echo]

Vt3

Sliding bardin

Maybe he just tumbles

[ripe obsidian]

hm

lemme try again

Nope.

I guess this will have to do

https://c.tenor.com/eVhaPrXx6GAAAAAd/tenor.gif

:(

[potent echo]

💨

[restive slate]

I find it funny that in the WARPED 2025, the most deadly enemy is the most basic

[verbal thistle]

Really puts in perspective the amount of new/struggling players

Since tide games are harder then your average fps

[restive slate]

My gf struggles in Darktide. She's fine in DRG, SM2 and Helldivers 2 tho.

It's just the combomelee-ranged hybrid playstyle that throws her off

[obtuse dome]

Dt is hard.

[patent jacinth]

All of those are much easier games

[restive slate]

Back in VT2 you could just focus on melee and you'll be fine

[obtuse dome]

Drg can be made harder.

[restive slate]

Her instinct is to stick to gun

She tried to learn dodging, sliding, pushing but oh boy it made me realise how lucky I was to learn the basics back in Vermintide 2

[obtuse dome]

Real

Yeah its the melee

Its kind of faulty to the marketing cause its named a s a horde shooter

And its really not a shooter.

Except if u play despi scum

[restive slate]

I feel bad when pros berate newcomers for shooting when getting hit, so few games have that unique hybrid combat to train casual players

[restive slate]

Shots fired

[obtuse dome]

Its the thuth tho

[restive slate]

Tide game is a more appropriate title

[obtuse dome]

Its a problem with people in general that once they learned a skill they cant comprehend anymore how hard it was for them.

[restive slate]

I actually miss the earlier Darktide enemy quantity, where its more tactical than just spam

[obtuse dome]

Like at my work sometimes i struggle to understand an apprentices problem.

I love wailing into big masses of enemys

[restive slate]

That's so true, the DT tutorial doesn't help tbh

[knotty saddle]

so I have max build brain burst electrokenetic staff shriek... and its feels kind of ridiculous

im just RMBing the entire game and nothing can stop me besides bosses

[restive slate]

I correct myself, spam as in Bulwark hordes

[obtuse dome]

I do kind of hate bullwarks.

[knotty saddle]

v2 feels like this still

[obtuse dome]

JUST LEMME KRUMP YA

[restive slate]

You stagger them to open up Shield just to have the Bulwark behind blow your hit

Or worse there's someone shooting at them keeping them blocking

[restive slate]

Aye, I haven't played for ages

But unfortunately imma 40k nerd first

Really miss Chaos Wastes tho ngl

[knotty saddle]

you should play it more

I believe it hard diffs darktide in melee combat

which this game isnt really designed for at max level, and thats fine

[verbal thistle]

What do you mean, it's over at Sefoni's

[knotty saddle]

I enjoy the different experiences

[restive slate]

I think the game director needs to be tweaked a bit more

[knotty saddle]

strange that this server has not one but two lamia profile pic enjoyers

I thought it was niche yet somehow theres two mains

[restive slate]

It's more like a child born of Chaos Wastes and Weaves

And it inherits only half their traits

[ripe obsidian]

I dream of a procedurally generated, non-linear mission type in the vein of DRG or Warframe

[restive slate]

Everytime I experience a good game that isn't 40K, I ask myself

Why can't 40k games be like this

Lol

Hope TW 40K is good

[ripe obsidian]

Because studios that make good games don't want to pay to license 40k

They have their own IPs where they don't have to pay James Workshop

[knotty saddle]

I just enjoyed space marine 2

its really... simple

but feels nice

I got a bit tired of the gameplay loop after beating the campaign and all pve missions

[verbal thistle]

SM2 was fun to max out every class and weapon

A nice side game to play every update

True solo absolute after the rework to difficulty was fun

[patent jacinth]

Every time I see gameplay its either someone pointing a gun in a direction or parry/roll spam

[ripe obsidian]

Weirdly, SM2 is a lot harder for me than DT. I can't figure out the rhythm of combat.

[verbal thistle]

Play to take damage

Funny enough

Contested HP is so exploitable

[restive slate]

Looking forward to Techmarine

[verbal thistle]

The range of executes is long and you are fully immune while walking and killing

Then you repeat

[patent jacinth]

Saw a clip of someone spawning like 80 gorillion nids in a debug room to fight them and every time they get hit to like 1/3 hp they just shot their gun a few times and was fine

[verbal thistle]

Learning break points helps

[restive slate]

Imagine having hopium that Fatshark announces Techadept when Techmarine drops in SM2

[ripe obsidian]

SM2 just plays to me like a worse Doom or worse Darktide. Feels slow and clunky

[verbal thistle]

It is if you compared it to either