psyker-class

[zealous mango]

I had enchanced description mod but for some reason it always breaks even I updated to the latest

[buoyant maple]

I don’t use that so idk

[prime elk]

it used to say 20%

and then fatshart clarified it

[modest perch]

u mean broke it ?

[buoyant maple]

I just check my own guide or kuli’s

For tooltip info

[prime elk]

i think they tried to say it's 5% and stacks 4 times based on peril

but engrish is hard

[buoyant maple]

But I don’t yet have psyker stuff in my guide

So u shud check kuli

[quartz mauve]

more like fartshart

[prime elk]

yeah that's what i said

[zealous mango]

i have no idea, everytime I boot the game with mod on, the boot up notification says the enchanced is not working

[buoyant maple]

U don’t rly need it anyway

[zealous mango]

Words too long, confusing

[late sapphire]

What do hive scum even do

I've played a few rounds for the first time in about a year and so far they've just kind of walked around and then died

[modest perch]

aura n hype moments

[foggy umbra]

Take drugs and shoot stuff

[narrow herald]

Yws

[late sapphire]

I watched one play for a bit and he was just hitting enemies with a cleaver and they kind of turned green but didnt die

[hardy citrus]

that's because he was using one of the worst weaponms in the game

[narrow herald]

Average bonesaw moment 😔

[hardy citrus]

i mean as i understand it

bonesaw damage is okay

it just has negative cleave

[zealous mango]

bonesaw is a weapon that is difficult to use

[hardy citrus]

"Difficult to use" is a very diplomatic way of putting it

[zealous mango]

maybe you have skill issue then

[hardy citrus]

u couldn't pay me to use bonesaw

that thing is so fucking ass

[modest perch]

so trv

[zealous mango]

idk i saw people play well with bonesaw

[hardy citrus]

bro

there's people out there clearing hav40 with no curios gray weapons

doesn't mean that's a good loadout

[prime elk]

it's actually super easy

you just take 9 stam curios

swift endurance

and spam lmb all game

[modest perch]

yea but u could do that with any other weapon n be mire effective

[zealous mango]

So it is clear a matter of skill that darktide players hate because they dont know how to play their game

[prime elk]

but bs coats them in green

[modest perch]

gross

[stark moss]

been lvling a psyker and alot is based around soulblaze but i cant find what soulblaze actualy is anywhere in game? pls help

[modest perch]

blue fire

[burnt gazelle]

search google for "kuli darktide steam guide"

and read its description of soulblaze

[zealous mango]

the blue fire that appears on enemy kills

[burnt gazelle]

kuli's various guides are most concise and correct explanation of most mechanics qs

[stark moss]

ye but what does it do exactly?

[burnt gazelle]

it's a dot

[zealous mango]

fire damage stack

[burnt gazelle]

which interacts with lots of psyker skills

[modest perch]

yes what does fire do exactly ?

nobody knows

[zealous mango]

roasts you

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-bravos-gif-24067547

[radiant frigate]

spicy

[zealous mango]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cardboard-punch-silly-cat-silly-gif-8249771488252948329

Is Soulblaze even explained on psyker class creation selection?

[wraith sphinx]

No lol

[radiant frigate]

is bleed explained on ogryn creation?

is burn explained ever?

[zealous mango]

thank you FS

[wraith sphinx]

Cease these foolish questions sibling

[radiant frigate]

no this is thickfish

you will find out about things through the grapevine and you will like it

[burnt gazelle]

its diegetic wh40k rp

they dont know how shit works either

[wraith sphinx]

It's almost like Darktide is a hard game that rewards grit above almost everything else

[radiant frigate]

immersive lore-accurate experience

[ornate hamlet]

You are born into a world of madness where you are supposed to trust the people giving you crumbs of information

The information has been passed down through generations and suffered untold damage to its original contents

Strength is power

Power is strength

[ripe obsidian]

Trust me. Trust no one else.

Only I will lead you true.

[acoustic jacinth]

i need to discuss some ideas if you're still around lad

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-fent-fent-pocket-sand-gif-16741555222935614272

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-blasting-gif-26810421

[solemn pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-heaven-keanu-reeves-constantine-ascending-to-heaven-gif-11437079898090715826

Wielding a Blaze Force Greatsword for the first time:

[ripe obsidian]

I am somewhat around

[spice oar]

Have you tried it with shock and awe?

[modest perch]

yea n it still sucks

[acoustic jacinth]

it's really short. just a decision based on your own experience really because i've been at this for quite some time now anyways. So, for the past month specifically, i've been doing lots of m2 EK builds. Switching between variations of both shriek and SG classic pathing.
However, despite me loving the gameplay part, i find some confusion on what ultimately brings out the best in it, and i mean good under havoc pressure, as i've just started taking it in such matches too. Here's what i lastly came to, do you think other variations of it could do better? A few obvious bias picks here though, let me know your thoughts.

oh shi a few wrong picks hold up

4am fatigue

[ripe obsidian]

I think the force greatsword complements EK very well, since EK is a single target damage machine and can struggle against Crushers (or bosses), particularly red ones. So the FGS shores up the weaker points nicely.

Personally I like Shriek because I find it more fun and it allows me to stay on the staff longer, mostly because it gets the horde away. If not for that, I end up needing to go to melee a lot more. However, Assail can easily clear hordes, which makes this less of an issue.

I'd say I prefer SG with Assail and Shriek with BB.

As for the talents, I'd almost definitely swap Warp Siphon to DD.

And why are you picking the left aura?

I'd maybe do something like this

Or drop the attack speed node for cleave on Assail

[zinc phoenix]

I admit, those two gifs genuinely nailed the hive scum experience

[acoustic jacinth]

Does DD really influence m2 to outweigh WS? Also same of course, bb kf snowballs soulblaze and assail sg is spammy as hell. As for left aura its just experimental really, saw some past build like this with it. But i thought ceit was better too anyways.

[jovial juniper]

While Ek m2 can't target weakspots

It sure as hell can crit

[ripe obsidian]

I think it does. Bonus damage and bonus crit damage. Bonus weakspot for Assail and melee.

[ornate hamlet]

Wait a minute, I think I'm going wacky

Is there another mark to the shock staff?

[lapis fern]

Anyone run smite with inferno staff, if so it a good idea? Been using brain burst for the one augment so the fire procs the blitz for the kill but might try using smite for the first time since first playing the class just for that pause when in havoc for all the armored crushers and maulers.

[quartz mauve]

man i just clutched hard w a variation of the voidblast staff build in the pinned guide it's a shame i didnt record

[frail oar]

I would not recommend smite with inferno

[jovial juniper]

Havoc 40 ready already

Congratulations

[zealous wing]

the same applies to havoc armours

long as you have space, they will die

[lapis fern]

I always forget the force sword exists. Just been using dueling or great sword and I don’t think the great had that push. Gotta put some practice into the Deimos mark since I remember it has a good stab attack or combo.

[zealous wing]

greatsword does have that push

however, you need uncanny

[lapis fern]

Got it. Will try it out when I play tomorrow

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1462326027735925001/8FCA581.MP4?ex=696dc8bd&is=696c773d&hm=a2f5373ce25271ac4c7b2b539430d4c70653235c37f9a1b4676afb2e4518640e&

[ornate hamlet]

Bro found the cheat code

Bro also wants me to believe he's using illisi

[verbal thistle]

I was

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn-garn47-car-garn47-gif-13354442343220670221

[verbal thistle]

Feels good in dreg missions

[hollow current]

you can't even spam stroke it anymore

[verbal thistle]

You can if you qq

[ornate hamlet]

qq peril, might as well drink pasta water

[zealous wing]

bro really telling mr havoc 40 solo "no" 😭 😂

[ornate hamlet]

mr pasta water is tasty

[zealous wing]

i qq my FGS for peril, you can do it with the normal force swords too, its faster than using a stave for peril

unless you have like, 30 wr voidblast or void strike or some such specifically to make your casting a pain

though to also be fair ainz seems to be using obscurus

but illisi spam fun

when it doubt, this will always show for sure what weapon someone is using, regardless of cosmetic

[deft stump]

Problem, it's a hard tell for certain guns. XD

[hollow summit]

barreled a smyker at the start and did nothing else

he dies away from team and ragequits

profit

[quartz sky]

Is there any reason ever to use the regular force sword or is greatsword strictly better?

[hollow summit]

Depends on what you need

Greatsword murders everything but is slow and weaker defensively

Force sword is fast but doesn't cleave well

[plucky flax]

Uncanny and better dodge

[radiant frigate]

wait what really
i know that for a while you couldn't
but i thought they undid that change after?

[reef crow]

since with the enforcer hood mask was release in the cosmetic shop i was wonder does anyone have a sith electrical build for the psyker i can use ?

https://klipy.com/gifs/revan-star-wars

if i upset someone sorry

[zealous mango]

Just pick smite

Make a Psyker that is old ass man like Palestine and you got it

[plucky flax]

Ye you can spam it again.

[upbeat kestrel]

Palestine

[zealous mango]

Bro lmao

I did not even noticed, stupid autocorrect

[foggy shoal]

what are the force greatsword combos for horde clear and single target?

also, which ranged weapons work well with melee/gunker?

[marble crater]

For mk8 it's just spam lights for horde and heavy for single target

[foggy shoal]

besides heavy laspistol

[foggy shoal]

ok thanks

[radiant frigate]

reconlas

[marble crater]

Vraks and what the elf said

[zealous wing]

i gotchu

[foggy shoal]

thanks guys

❤️

[reef crow]

ill do it then thanks

[foggy shoal]

also, how do i get max value out of scrier's gaze?

[zealous mango]

Bro keeps petting his blade

[radiant frigate]

listen to the voices that call for blood

[foggy shoal]

nice, i will

[acoustic jacinth]

Sorry, it was past 5AM then and i just shut down.
Ah, you see, i've gone through the same logical idea before, but what really makes me doubtful is the fact WS is a flat damage bonus that is stupidly easy to proc by itself, especially with this weapon combo in particular (you often get confirmed kills, yknow). I'll try today but i am still questioning it a little. I remember when Dom was around he preferred WS

Anyhow thanks for the idea

[indigo tangle]

begrudgingly using assial because i want the green pants

[hardy citrus]

current setup, I've got one point left which I've just taken out of BCoB

might take anticipation

[wraith sphinx]

anticipation good

but 2 defensive talents + EE is already enough

[marble crater]

Depending on how much you like spamming Assail, maybe the faster recharge

[wraith sphinx]

I feel this build goes overkill on defensive talents tbh. 3 toughness gen and 3 defensive talents picked is definitely an uncommon choice

[hardy coral]

This seems like a rather complex question but Headtaker blessing gives a small percentage of extra cleave correct? if so how much extra cleave is it?

[acoustic jacinth]

Strength is damage + stagger + cleave. Literally power from vermintide.
This would translate to 8% x 5 = +40% of all 3

[foggy shoal]

force greatsword: do you guys use the 2nd charge level often?

[radiant frigate]

this also depends on the edition of headtaker

because for some reason heavy sword headtaker is a higher%

[acoustic jacinth]

True yeah

Havent used hsword in ages forgor

[dusk wren]

imo not much reason to use the other levels

[hardy citrus]

it's basically just the basic framework straight out the pinned guide

[hollow summit]

i mean, 1 charge clear trash seems to be standard

second charge is generally overkill unless surrounded by flak

[dusk wren]

i don't think 1 charge clears anything

[hollow summit]

huh

is this a havoc thing

[zealous wing]

1 charge kills trash mobs

but you have to have the basics like warp rider and unstable power

[summer prairie]

0 charge is not 1

1 definitely clears havoc non-elites with buffs

It has shorter efficient range than 2 too though

[plucky flax]

With correct build 1 charge is enough to clear chaffs and the elites are easily dealt with by just using heavy so no, 2 bars takes too long.

[foggy shoal]

yeah i figured as much, it felt way too clunky for the damage it was dealing at full charge so i've been doing 1 bar

[plucky flax]

1 bar 40+ chaff kills juicy stuff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1456557574555046129/Desktop_2026.01.02_-_07.59.14.04.mp4?ex=696de473&is=696c92f3&hm=bb543bbe2993053eb2cee705727d15fa750b4f3b232809fd6997c4bc2e564d59&

[hardy coral]

I am so mad i never bothered trying perfect strike on my Heavy sword psyker, it is actually hilarious hitting multiple Crushers or whatever is infront of me without worry.

[thorn cedar]

I still don't really recommend it but the crit strike blessing is actually pretty neato since it doesn't suffer damage fall off in the same way. Normally you can only expect to kill the Ragers that are within 5m of you with a full charged big slice but with the crit blessing you can in fact clear a room.

It's just very difficult to justify the opportunity cost compared to any other blessing and its uptime.

[acoustic jacinth]

@ripe obsidian best case scenario for both (15 stacks DD left, 6 stacks WS right) m2 full charge on a rager and max peril. whilst i get your point because of course sword and assail would do better too... i feel like for what it is (m2 build, fairly niche EK choice) it really does outperform DD

[ripe obsidian]

I find WS too unreliable to stack without Soulblaze. Especially with Shriek, when using my ability every 10 seconds

[acoustic jacinth]

hmmm, i can kinda see it but i've never struggled with it personally (though of course i would never say in fire reborn + shriek inferno/blaze voidblast is not vastly superior). I say it because, all it takes is 1 fgs warp slash or a few m2s to one tap shotgunners to be on the go

[haughty star]

I wanna try out hive scum but I ain't tryna spend no 20 dollars

Got that shit wishlist for sales

[ripe obsidian]

Even in H40, I often end up with like 3 stacks when Shriek is off cooldown. Which is weird.

[acoustic jacinth]

i know what you mean

but perhaps it is more of a case of soulblaze WS being busted

rather than the other option being uh

shafted

xd

i could but man i do not want to run shriek here

id have to drop assail

[ripe obsidian]

DD doesn't have as high highs for M2 EK for sure. I value the consistent uptime

[acoustic jacinth]

and this is the 1 build i use it on

understandable

well thank you

This gave me some security to my logic behind this build

i think i'll stick to this

[ripe obsidian]

So long as it's working for you

I think it's fine overall

The changes I suggested are largely based on preference and playstyle

[atomic flicker]

this is funny to get on Jan 1

[nocturne fiber]

thats perfect

[acoustic jacinth]

could've gone worse tbh. you know, i was thinking, i do spam assail but not to that extent. what if i sacrifice 30% cooldown for PotS? worth?

[tulip chasm]

Are there good builds with assail for auric/havoc? or is it just not that good once you get past a certain difficulty?

[zealous wing]

any of the ones in the guide except the beekeeper build, really

[tulip chasm]

Funny enough I posted that comment before I saw the comment above mine lol

[zealous wing]

mine below kariens, in new psyker section, i run regularly in auric

[tulip chasm]

Which channel is this in?

[zealous wing]

pinned, here

bonanza

[deft stump]

Check the pins. My build is only for newbies so don't try that in havoc. I know it can still somewhat work in a sketch way in aurics, but I'm masochistic in a way anyway.

Not including the fact I run it with +9 stam.

[zealous wing]

goated strat

[ripe obsidian]

Probably not worth

[acoustic jacinth]

fair

[acoustic jacinth]

wait actually

looking through this

this psyker is doing a different take on it

Some sort of... soulblaze yet non shriek build mix by monsoon

have you tried it?

[zealous wing]

very small amounts of fire is a big... "but why" to me

[deft stump]

You mean, too lazy so funni.

[acoustic jacinth]

without being judgmental to the player
that is what i also doubt

because i don't know if i'd rely on just PC to give me Ws reliably and to snowball without brain burst or shriek

🤔

[zealous wing]

personally, i would move PC to quick shards, then move wildfire to ghost or KD or such

[acoustic jacinth]

which would revert to my old build

hmm

well, fair

[hollow current]

he lies for clout, he didn't even know it got fixed.

[hollow current]

THEY DID

[zealous wing]

youre late

[verbal thistle]

Smh

Here you are

Lying for clout

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-gif-27157580

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think I have tried that one. Just be aware that Wildfire and Souldrinker are both pretty eh on that build

[acoustic jacinth]

of course

[iron jetty]

Please anyone help me with Malleus Monstronum? @strong whale

[strong whale]

I can help you out, let me just start up the game

[iron jetty]

[strong whale]

my friend code is 5357282019

you can add someone by going into the social menu and then pressing E

@iron jetty forgot to make it private, my bad

[iron jetty]

❤️ Done @strong whale Thank you so much

[low merlin]

I did Havoc 25 for the first time.

I'm going insane.

[normal basalt]

Penetrating flame or blaze away for inferno staff?

[low merlin]

Both.

Wait, no, Blaze Away and Warp Nexus,

[nocturne dust]

Blaze Away always. PF if you love your team, Warp Nexus if you can't trust them (lore accurate 40k)

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[small spindle]

So with the bubble build do we like the FGS or force sword for your melee? Im rocking FGS atm but wasn't sure which was better for havoc.
Im mostly just using inferno staff for hordes, why is inferno really good?

[modest perch]

cus fire

[small spindle]

haha well what does inferno accel at besides horde, like is it good for armored too? Not sure when to swap to it besides a horde

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-bravos-gif-24067547

[low merlin]

My team cannot be trusted in most cases.

[deft stump]

@zealous wing Where's that funni melt crushers vid?

[small spindle]

I give up, was getting really unlucky with force sword

[modest perch]

looks fine

[small spindle]

lol I was trying to get it perfect but eh. Prolly gonna be a little less stringent on perfect stats in future

what weps use blazing spirit? Just Voidblast or would FGS also be good with it?

[modest perch]

we all wish blazing spirit melee was good

unfortunately its not

[hardy citrus]

It’s good into everything but crushers

You’re best running a force sword with uncanny because then flame becomes good into carapace too

[dull scroll]

get rid of the 12 stack cap and it would be good

scum tox on melee crit stacks all the way to 30

[modest perch]

even then like most stuff will die to a crit n whatever doesnt will die to 2

[dull scroll]

it's not for the chaffs, if cap is gone you can maintain 30 stack on bosses by bonking them

[small spindle]

o I thought force sword you went deflect and like precog. Maybe thats really build specific though.
was reffing this one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a01d1051-8cfe-4cca-82a3-899e77d73196/trauma-but-not-the-streamer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hardy citrus]

You go uncanny and a diff blessing

[small spindle]

deflect sounded nice, so maybe unnacy deflect

[hardy citrus]

That’s a viable option

[normal basalt]

inferno good for everything except monstrosities imo

[small spindle]

Whats the goto blessings for the FGS? Unstable & Riposte?

[hardy citrus]

Riposte or shred

[stone canyon]

Havent played Psyker in 1½ year, can any of you link solid gameslantern inferno build so i can climb havoc levels with it?

[hardy citrus]

pins

[small spindle]

this ok for blast ?

[hardy citrus]

pretty sure u dump warp resist no?

as is the case on basically everything

[small spindle]

Does blast actually do anything for void?

[hardy citrus]

theres two staves called void fyi

id assume blast radius here is increasing the radius of ur charged attack

[small spindle]

ooo mixed with strike

[hardy citrus]

But yeah I’d assume you still dump resistance because blast radius effects possible targets hit

[mental mulch]

Damn, smykers in maelstrom with ability cdr effect are something else

[weary crane]

DoT on melee is generally just useless apart from crushers and bosses

That's why I think the saw is a bad weapon if not fighting those

[cosmic sigil]

https://youtu.be/mAZRNQBYNJg?si=gy0ZmKTfDItMLBRA that's basically your minigryn concept @plucky flax

[weary crane]

"Taking the game by storm"

[modest perch]

its also bad when fighting those

[weary crane]

Nah with attack speed and high crit it does shred bosses

Shivs would probably be the best melee weapon if it didn't have nerfed blessings

[burnt gazelle]

today i browsed gameslantern builds and discovered why so many psykers are queuing in with blazing spirit fgs and trauma

top gameslantern psyker build recommends shred blazing spirit fgs lol

[weary crane]

Idk why people use other people's builds

It's super fun creating one

[normal basalt]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a095c72b-01c1-4251-b870-4042fed84f64/soulblaze-maxxing

[burnt gazelle]

when you're new or casual you make a build without any of the strong must take nodes that don't sound like they're strong because fatshark descriptions and you feel like papier mache

and then they try a youtuber build or something assuming that some given popular youtuber knows what they're on about and it works a lot better since they took a more or less workable build

I play with some friends who just play the game casually and their DIY builds are uh, sometimes really not helping them

[cosmic sigil]

I have become their build crafter too :/

[modest perch]

yep the gandalf. ive spotted a few in the wild

[weary crane]

Tbh build maxing is only needed in havoc

[cosmic sigil]

If you're a casual player, having a few safety nets makes your experience in aurics more bearable

[burnt gazelle]

my fav build I made was for my newbie friend who was still learning to dodge (he dodged like 10 times a mission and only really for specials and elites) so i made a zealot build that had no on-dodge stuff, which was interestingly different

[normal basalt]

idk some auric maelstroms are pretty unbearable

[mental mulch]

Yeah

[stone canyon]

||https://youtu.be/kOhBrIQtpYE||

Tanner alert, but goes through also inferno bubble psyker build there

[weary crane]

Darktide YouTubers aren't bad compared to other games

Minecraft is probably is worst

Oversaturated with annoying American kids

[stone canyon]

Anything dodgy or factually incorrect in that Tanner build?

[weary crane]

I'll take a look for the memes

Holy ass

Taking battle meditation over KF is a crime

Omg

He took PoTS over monster dmg

[modest perch]

lmao

[hearty wolf]

Is any gamers around

it's time to try out my ultrawide oled

[zealous mango]

inferno bubble:

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

Embrace voidstrike/blast and scier

[buoyant maple]

he needs to stop cooking

[zealous mango]

Kinda slowly getting better with my psyker survival

Also been digging a lot with BFS mk4, love me stabs hits

[cosmic sigil]

Tox sniper monstrous is harder than 3veg if you have nothing against corruption. Which is more common than you think.

[small spindle]

so like unstable + riposte / shred?

[hardy citrus]

yeah

[small spindle]

momentum any good or na if you arent running bubble?

[modest perch]

nah

[narrow herald]

Dam is he scraping the barrel? 💀

Talking about one of the easiest builds in the game to execute on 🛌🏻

[acoustic jacinth]

last update... well it's honestly been going good! a weird combo of 2 talents i found actually had surprising value even with no sb psykers on team
just PC + souldrinker
surprisingly high souldrinker uptime, i sacrifice assail subnodes for this

also now i have peril IRL

been playing EK for 6 hours

[narrow herald]

How the fuck did he fuck up one of the highest DPS builds in the game

I will never know

[deft stump]

Because some people are just THAT bad?

[narrow herald]

Tanner? Bad?

[deft stump]

Wat?

[narrow herald]

Impossible

[hearty wolf]

I was just memeing and plugged in my controller

holy shit the aim assist is STRONG

I just realised

when you kill enemies

you get blood splatter on your screen

xd?

[viscid matrix]

Which force sword is that? Deimos?

[weary idol]

yeah

[viscid matrix]

Looks way better than when I tried it like a year ago

[weary idol]

I don't think deimos has ever been buffed

[viscid matrix]

I have been a ds4 enjoyer for the last year

[weary idol]

At least I don't remember it ever being buffed

I just remember it always being like

Direct upgrade to dueling sword in every way

[viscid matrix]

I tried a 250 power one, it felt meh

But that was when I had a perfect ds4, so bias

[sturdy reef]

what modifiers did they rotate? I see orange is back on

[jovial juniper]

Cranial was shitting itself so out it went

Iirc

[deft stump]

You turn that off.

[plucky flax]

I dont even remember that must had been some old ass build. Anyway I dont play zealot just play scum and meme

[frail tapir]

Rewatching lord of the rings make me itching to run Gandalf psyker

Who cares if it’s off meta

[ripe obsidian]

@hearty wolf
Toxin scum almost outdamaging me as shriek inferno

Lost the first like 10-15 minutes to a crash, but it was much the same

tbf this is also one of the better scums I see on NAE

[viral lion]

So did they just like

Remove the soulblaze build since I last played?

[ripe obsidian]

No.

[plucky flax]

Depend on when you last play they buffed it with change to pc

[shut shell]

Welp I just tried running an inferno soulblaze build, my god. My framerate.

[prime elk]

sorry, did you suggest that they would nerf psyker?

https://tenor.com/view/kk-gif-15803140109120205266

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian @summer prairie is there a section in code for how havoc handles monstrous specials?

or is it some patchwork of how maelstrom modifier is

sitched together in havoc

[summer prairie]

I'm here right now, not ideal for code diving

[verbal thistle]

that looks cool

where at?

[summer prairie]

But it's just a version of normal monstrous iirc

Phra Nang beach, Thailand

[verbal thistle]

well have fun

[plucky flax]

My people

[viral lion]

Well I’m asking cuz like, I checked the talent tree and it reset, and all the soulblaze stack talents are gone.

[ornate hamlet]

They're still there, I'm pretty sure

Perilous combustion, wildfire, souldrinker, in fire reborn or whatever was the name, blazing spirit blessings...

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, and I can find it for you.

In a minute

[ripe obsidian]

They are all still there, just moved to better locations

[viral lion]

Huh ok, any popular builds?

[ripe obsidian]

You

Asked

The right person

Look ye upon the pins.

[ornate hamlet]

Here we go

Boy is getting guided towards unthinkable power

[ripe obsidian]

:D

[viral lion]

Oh god this is a nightmare to look at on mobile

[ripe obsidian]

Google docs does not play nice with mobile, no

[viral lion]

Ok but I’ll check it out later thanks

[ripe obsidian]

I try to have some builds for every playstyle in there

[verbal thistle]

Thank you, just had a pub tell me I was the problem that caused 3 monstrous specials to spawn at the start. But to my understanding from there is a limit and a timer to this interaction and isnt caused by loner or rush prevention. I also wanted to look into monstrous specials for havoc

isnt when they get spammed at the start its because the director doesn't flag the stopping point until something else happens

so you can get 2-5 monsters

[ripe obsidian]

That is my understanding

It would be this blob of code

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/managers/pacing/specials_pacing/templates/havoc_specials_pacing_template.lua

I will find the info

Here are the various prevention breeds:

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/managers/pacing/specials_pacing/templates/special_pacing_template_settings.lua#L51

[verbal thistle]

breeds being groups of selected enemies?

[ripe obsidian]

Aye, each enemy type is a breed

cultist_flamer, etc.

Here's what I was looking for

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/settings/mutator/templates/mutator_modify_pacing_templates.lua#L186

        class = "scripts/managers/mutator/mutators/mutator_modify_pacing",
        init_modify_pacing = {
            specials_monster_spawn_config = {
                chance_to_spawn_monster = 0.1,
                max_monsters = 1,
                health_modifiers = {
                    chaos_beast_of_nurgle = 0.4,
                    chaos_plague_ogryn = 0.4,
                    chaos_spawn = 0.4,
                },
                max_monster_duration = {
                    450,
                    500,
                },
                breeds = {
                    "chaos_plague_ogryn",
                    "chaos_beast_of_nurgle",
                    "chaos_spawn",
                },
            },
        },
    },```

Particularly these lines

                max_monsters = 1,```

[verbal thistle]

so a 10% chance to spawn 1 boss max

[ripe obsidian]

That's how it's supposed to work

[verbal thistle]

I wonder whats messing with max_monsters

[ripe obsidian]

With a cooldown of several minutes

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark?

[ripe obsidian]

I think

                    450,
                    500,
                },```

Is supposed to be the gap between weakened spawns, but I am unsure

[ornate hamlet]

Do monsters despawn after X time, like daemonhosts?

[verbal thistle]

this should not happen

[ripe obsidian]

It should not.

[verbal thistle]

10% chance when a special spawns, max 1, every 450-500 seconds

[ornate hamlet]

Not sure why they would have 2 numbers there tho

[verbal thistle]

the common thing is its always at start

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, they just pick a value from that interval?

I see

[verbal thistle]

so maybe start of progression influnces max_monsters?

or there is no set max monsters until progression starts?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, it is always at the start. I believe it's because the max monsters variable isn't properly set up until specials_pacing.lua starts

if self._max_monster_duration then
        if t > self._max_monster_duration then
            self._max_monster_duration = nil
        else
            return
        end
    end

if max_monsters <= num_monsters then
        if not self._max_monster_duration then
            self._max_monster_duration = t + math.random_range(monster_spawn_config.max_monster_duration[1], monster_spawn_config.max_monster_duration[2])
        end

        return
    end

[summer prairie]

That's what Kuli said

[verbal thistle]

so there is different configs of max_monsters?

[ripe obsidian]

No

[verbal thistle]

just saw this

yes this makes sense

all of my examples happen when I hear a surge spawning

/ when specials spawn in

[ripe obsidian]

But I think the havoc code tries to reference the timer or something, but the timer hasn't started to it returns nil, which means havoc code thinks, "okeydokey, more monsters"

But I am not sure

[zealous wing]

i've seen that happen even on maelstroms

i thought it was normal

[verbal thistle]

this is havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Maelstrom has a different limit

[zealous wing]

ah ok

[ripe obsidian]

Maelstrom has a limit of 2 weakened monsters

[zealous wing]

tbh it wouldnt make sense for havoc to have less active monster specials than a mael

its supposed to be more bullshit

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc has a lot more monster triggers

[zealous wing]

but special spawns in general have been real fucked up recently

[ripe obsidian]

So you get way more full-health monsters

[hardy coral]

Does Warp splitting only effect shotguns if you have Man-stopper blessing on them? i cant seem to get Warp splitting to apply without it.

[zealous wing]

how much cleave does the shotgun have base?

[hardy coral]

this is the slug shotgun, not the horde special one.

[ripe obsidian]

It applies to all cleave

[zealous wing]

but it can only double it

[ripe obsidian]

It appears to have a cleave of 1.3 base

[hardy coral]

the heck. even with Warp splitting at 100% it doesnt even peirce 2 Reapers but if i have man-stopper on i can go through 20 reapers in 1 shot.

[ripe obsidian]

Man-stopper is infinite cleave

[ornate hamlet]

El gran cleavo

[hardy coral]

mmk, i guess google is wrong about Warp splitting effecting shotguns. even if it does its pointless.

[ripe obsidian]

It does affect shotguns.

It affects everything

But if your cleave is low, doubling it does little

[hardy coral]

ye, i would have thought the slug would have gone through at least 3 reapers.

[verbal thistle]

we should name this feature

Boss Boogaloo

[ripe obsidian]

The max_monster count isn't a global variable, or something

Kuli would need to explain it more. I am but a novice

[ripe obsidian]

"Feature"

Also, H40 is obscenely easy without rotten armor or bugged rituals, holy moly

I did a rampage + blight and final toll + blight tonight, and both were super easy

[verbal thistle]

Yes

That's why I love rot

Actual difficulty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1462678700070797332/4091F31.MP4?ex=696f1131&is=696dbfb1&hm=c8cf8af62c9c39ab472deb8682966950146a8a2cf3a85404b5abf3052fc8bc0f&

It would be way more fun if they went over the issues dogs and bursters have rn

[ripe obsidian]

I find rot oppressive without a good team

If I have at least 1, preferably 2, people I can trust, it's fine

[verbal thistle]

As it should be, this is a tean based game. And finding people to play with and coordinate with is one the best things to experience

Speaking from cata/fow experience

Getting good players together to do that was fun

[ripe obsidian]

I am aggressively antisocial

Meeting people and making teams is unpleasant for me. I prefer the silent team that works like clockwork

Talking to people is stress

[verbal thistle]

Fair

[ripe obsidian]

If people invite me to play, I will do so happily

But I will almost never initiate such a thing

[plucky flax]

Rude

[deft stump]

Six meanie.

[plucky flax]

Real shii

[verbal thistle]

I do find the best moments in no VC party finder

The specimens

[ripe obsidian]

People scare me

[ripe obsidian]

I am very mean

[deft stump]

I know I'm terrible why nobody wanna play barring a tiny few but still.

[plucky flax]

Real

[deft stump]

Real reason i don't play as much anymore.

[ripe obsidian]

I mean

no one invites me to play either

I just make builds

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

You don't go around asking, I do to most people ignoring.

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

people too scary to ask

[plucky flax]

This is like flaming but not dropping names.

Might as well drop the names.

[deft stump]

You were the only one to reply, actually.

[plucky flax]

So I can block them too.

I bet it's syllo.

Lemme block him for abandoning me to Thailand.

[deft stump]

He's on holiday so I didn't ask.

[plucky flax]

He's faking it.

He just doesn't wanna play with me no more.

[zealous wing]

youre too scary to ask

pro gamer man

[ripe obsidian]

I am genuinely not naming anyone

People just scare me

[plucky flax]

syllo play without me moment
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1457714794822897858/image.png?ex=696ece72&is=696d7cf2&hm=3b609a052f241da15aa59d258e2adac448ff1d48eb49796ea71f1b4dbfb957a6&

[deft stump]

I just have to cast that aside or it would be totally a no reply.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not scary. I'm just a goober

[deft stump]

You are more, US... I literally still just DC from NA servers. I always give and let people pick the servers.

[hearty wolf]

:(

[restive roost]

The current staves available at Hallowette's are kinda ass.

[zealous wing]

shame i bought them both and love them

[ripe obsidian]

social anxiety is mean

[hearty wolf]

So that's why you've been ignoring me s.m.h

[deft stump]

The rerun of the other Bistol is killing me. Part of me wants it for my zealot, the other half is saying you already have a bistol skin.

[zealous wing]

i use the twitch one because funny

i also run a SF thammer marty so

he's kinda just memes, that works

[deft stump]

And I know I'm on limited funds so reeeeeeeeeeee

[ripe obsidian]

when have you pinged me?

[deft stump]

Look, I know lag sucks... Is why I don't want to push it on others. I'm just used to it anyway. Lag in H40 is worse...

[restive roost]

Alright you convinced me

[hearty wolf]

Oh right never mind, I don't ping you that much

I think about it all the time

It's just your working or DnD when I'm free 😭

[ripe obsidian]

I am busier than I would prefer. I long for days of yore when I had no responsibilities

[quiet pond]

https://tenor.com/view/fireball-it's-wizard-time-gif-11942724981129863241

[ripe obsidian]

We don't have a fireball staff, sadly

[quiet pond]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[cosmic sigil]

#zealot-class message

You even made a video lmao

[wraith sphinx]

no that wasn't him

[cosmic sigil]

I found other people, like Puri, doing that as well. And I remember playing full hp too when I started playing zealot early 2023. I was so tired of people not taking care of bursters and having them sent to me.

but only Agent said that:

[quartz barn]

Almost 3 years ago lmao

[ashen edge]

Oh, You're in Krabi

Enjoy your stay there

[plucky flax]

Also back then there were less toughness available through the tree so imo it was much better ehp to go full hp

[cosmic sigil]

turns out that with the dr and the toughness you can get right now from zealot, it's still good

maybe I should try fatmangryn

[deft stump]

I dunno. I just worked with 55 toughness lul.

[hearty wolf]

What the hell

LOL I was just there a couple weeks ago

Syllo meet and greet opportunity missed

[hearty wolf]

That's actually so long now that I think about it

Weak monstrosity every 7.5m

[viscid matrix]

Yeh full hp was great

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1179445998288900189/image.png?ex=696ef86f&is=696da6ef&hm=c6b570b07d1eb3ca4e510c1df7071c4c11f70532c09233d0a13e572f1b0d2269&

This was from like a year ago or longer

Think it was right after we got the trees

[quartz barn]

Havoc 8 tag?

First tree update was way before that

Hp curio with +health on all 3 was still the way to go tho

[viscid matrix]

#psyker-class message

[viscid matrix]

Nope, was in 2023

[idle plover]

trying to figure out scryer gaze voidblast for havocs

work in progress

[quartz barn]

Wait what is that 8 from then

Havoc released late 2024

[viscid matrix]

I think it’s how many times that character reached 30 in experience from the exp mod

[zealous wing]

i have a rending trauma build that uses scriers if you'd like to take a look at the tree. it's usually meant to be run with an inferno psyker "partner", and if i do so, i'd switch psychic vampire for in fire reborn not sure if you can effectively merge the two, but, it is a fun build and maybe it'll help you figure your own out

[idle plover]

i mean fire reborn could work

[zealous wing]

souldrinker and in fire reborn work off other psykers fire

[idle plover]

i planned on using that blessing which puts soulfire on crits

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma normally uses shriek for more fire

i think otherwise you'd just switch shriek for scriers

normally you want all the fire you can get, or none

mainly none if you're gonna have a fire psyker

[idle plover]

man looks scary to have mettle from the top

only

[zealous wing]

how so

[idle plover]

im just used to have at least four talents from the top

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma looks like this at the top

[remote prairie]

Is there a staff that is electrical or just force and fire ?

[zealous wing]

youd probably drop quietude for this transfer

[zealous wing]

electrokinetic

[remote prairie]

Like palpatine type shit ?

[acoustic jacinth]

Imagine it like an electrical surge. Chain lightning between enemies for a moment, but not continuous stream

[remote prairie]

Fire Vs Electro for overall versatility >?

[acoustic jacinth]

Wdym by versatility

[remote prairie]

Add clear and boss dmg

Which is the best all rounder

[acoustic jacinth]

By fire do you mean inferno staff or soulblaze as a whole

[remote prairie]

Inferno staff 😄

[zealous wing]

EK i think has faster boss DPS, but very slow horde clear

it also highly depends on skill level

[acoustic jacinth]

Inferno staff is the best staff and boasts the best psyker build currently, low effort high output

But you do not staff bosses

You melee them

[zealous wing]

generally yes

[idle plover]

EK is also very easy to accidentally blow yourself up with

[remote prairie]

So horde clear Fire staff then ? appreciate ya mates

[zealous wing]

so is inferno

ive seen so many psykers go boom on inferno

[idle plover]

ive never managed to blow myself up with it

[remote prairie]

Gonna try between those two, didnt enjoy force staff

Ty guys

[idle plover]

with ek i need match or 2 before i get used to getting myself blown up

[zealous wing]

which

[acoustic jacinth]

For horde clear both inferno and voidblast staff (with blazing blessing) will be the best route

[zealous wing]

theres four staves

[remote prairie]

Havent tried void yet

cool ty

[zealous wing]

theres voidblast, voidstrike, inferno, and electrokinetic

voidblast we also call trauma

[acoustic jacinth]

Im doing more weird ek shit speaking of lolol

It was fun blowing up killfeed with warp slash fgs or assail + shriek

[frail oar]

If we don't get another staff this year im writing a letter to my local representative

[acoustic jacinth]

Coruscation staff in DT would be hella fun

[summer prairie]

Like chem grenades but on demand

[acoustic jacinth]

Psyker: x thing but on demand

[zealous wing]

bullets? fire? ally poxwalker bomber? we gotchu

[idle plover]

all i want is staff that fires the assail shards like shotgun

[low merlin]

Can anyone give me a link to a good Scrier's Graze build?

Melee Scrier's Graze.

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc80-69d3-4a82-a80d-28da0bebdf76/berpsyker

[low merlin]

Thanks man.

[hearty wolf]

Something about pins

[zealous wing]

ye i just skipped that step

ah i fucked it up

shiit

time to DM six 😭

i was so sure i'd grabbed the right one from when the browser fucked up

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
updated link in case bro comes back because it broke too fast lol

[obtuse dome]

I would like a staff like siennas fireball staff.

Or those flaming throwing spears.

[sage pulsar]

A staff that's like a kind of upgraded assail. Machine gun style

[jovial juniper]

Shard Storm

[zealous wing]

turn voidstrike into a fireball that leaves a small pool of AOE fire if it hits the ground

[hearty wolf]

Imagine if Inferno staff had stagger ^

You just want to try and compete with the mighty chem nade

Well, you CAN'T

;(

[buoyant maple]

It does tho

[hardy citrus]

infernus will clear anything that isn't carapace or bosses pretty much.

[hardy citrus]

pretty sure that's just voidstrike

[hardy citrus]

thjere's no way ur saying this 💀

4 chem nades vs infinite inferno

[strong whale]

not quite the same BOOM though

unless I'm misremembering that staff

[zealous wing]

just bosses on that list

[hardy citrus]

yeah u can combine it with uncanny to do good cara damage too

[hearty wolf]

Real stagger against crushers

[hearty wolf]

You don't need infinite Inferno if you can press W, and Inferno can't do big damage without being slow

Slower than the speedy DRUG ADDICTS

Mf be flaming the starting horde while I'm waiting in the airlock 😭

[buoyant maple]

yea nah, shouldn't be a thing for it

[zealous wing]

thats what the force sword is for anyway

[hardy citrus]

I mean inferno shouldnt get any buffs

if anything it should be copping nerfs

[zealous wing]

i dont expect inferno nerfs unless theres also MEGA toxin nerfs

[hardy citrus]

I mean yeah fatshark aren't gonna nerf jack anymore

balance is dead

[hearty wolf]

Inferno stick should randomly snap in half

[low merlin]

I've been using Bistol over any of the laspistols or recon lasguns.

It's great.

[hearty wolf]

And you need to use an ammo crate to repair it

[zealous wing]

depends

usually the laspistol or reconlas is there for crits

[hardy citrus]

I've been using bistol on my melee setup too

i really like it

very satisfying

[low merlin]

Agreed. Fantastic sound design and armor piercing.

[zealous wing]

if you dont run EE, then it doesnt matter what gun you run

[low merlin]

EE?

[zealous wing]

empathic evasion

[hardy citrus]

armour piercing is mid as fuck

wait

wrong reply

[zealous wing]

you dont shoot crushers

[hardy citrus]

yeah

exactly

[zealous wing]

you stab crushers

[hardy citrus]

it's a special and elite killer

mostly specials

[zealous wing]

ranged attack immunity on crit, for 1 second

which, reconlas excels at

but bistol is a fine mobility stick

and it does one shot specials in h40 if you crit, which, if you have surgical, is easy, just, not fast

plus even with reload tech, its slow

[obtuse dome]

No siennas has more aoe and the firebal falls down.

Voidstrike just flys endless and cleaves a lot but has no good aoe

[hardy citrus]

yeah i like bistol for being a better inherent weapon than laspistol i find

or, faster to shoot and swap at least

[zealous wing]

VS also falls off so sadly in havoc

[obtuse dome]

Yeah

Its my fav tho

If it was better into cara it woould be nicer.

[zealous wing]

i though laspistol was nearly instant

[hardy citrus]

well yeah

but u need to shoot it a few times

where as bistol u swap, shoot, swap

it's ultimately faster i find

[zealous wing]

laspistol usually only comes out when you have time to shoot several things, otherwise thats assails job

same with reconlas, and bolt pistol

assail has surprising stagger

need a trapper interrupted? assail
ragers too close? assail to pause them and make space/opening for attack

[marble crater]

Did you change talents that reduce peril gen?

[cosmic sigil]

assail is also a great mm enabler

[zealous wing]

this is hugely true, yes

its a perfect synergy with FGS

[cosmic sigil]

truke

[strong whale]

could it be you used to have this on?

[zealous wing]

to knock it down from 30 to 10 its likely they also had the other minor peril gen node, perhaps also kinetic resonance

i'd have to test to see what exactly it takes to bring it to 10

[strong whale]

theres a 10% node too somewhere at the first part of the tree

[cosmic sigil]

check Ryken XIV

[deft stump]

I think it's like my tank build nodes.

I'll test later.

[zealous wing]

45.2% peril - base BB, no talents at all
30.7% peril - base BB, battle med
45.2% peril - upgraded BB, no peril decrease talents
40.7% peril - upgraded BB, battle med
21.8% peril - upgraded BB, battle med + Kinetic resonance
cant test scriers, peril goes up automatically
13.1% peril - upgraded BB, battle med, KR, empyric resolve
11.8 % peril - upgraded BB, battle med, KR, ER, small peril gen reduction node
was gonna go into further detail per warp siphon charge but its getting ridiculous now

so, you need ALL of them to get it that low

one warp charge was 10.8%

2 was 9.9

could also throw a combat stim in for good measure

see above for how to get it that low

[deft stump]

All 6 warp charges was my thought. XD

ER, some small nodes 6 charges.

Makes EK like hilariously spammy.

[zealous wing]

i kinda wanna make a meme build

but i want it to also function

thats a LOT of damage talents to sacrifice so it'd be a tight squeeze

and by function i mean, at least let me survive auric

[marble crater]

Smite

[zealous wing]

no

not again

not so soon

[deft stump]

You only get warp rider if you meme grab 80% of the peril gain reduction stuff.

Because my nonsense build is like that.

[wraith sphinx]

Smite

[frail tapir]

I'm finally starting to understand how to make and tweak my own builds

also, it is not that hard to smyker responsibly. I've been taking smite, and basically the only time I'm using it is as a support tool, like to stall enemies so someone can revive like with relic zealot

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle what would you think of a dungeon crawler kind of game mode? Procedurally generated with existing tilesets, no single correct path, gotta go on and complete some objective before you can return to the start and extract. More or less based on DRG and Warframe game modes.

I spend a decent amount of time pondering ways Darktide could add something new and interesting, whether maps or game modes or havoc modifiers.

[deft stump]

Problem is the avg pub doesn't smite responsibly. They use it as their primary.

[ripe obsidian]

The build guide has templates in it that are meant to help with that

[frail tapir]

yeah those helped a good amount

[frail tapir]

the silly thing about that is spamming it means you are dealing less damage than using other options

but yeah I've been screwing around with scrier melee psyker and I like taking smite for that bit of support too so I'm not just dps

I like to run bubble from time to time but I also like the speed talent you can take with scrier cause I like to go fast

I'm also thinking of adding soulblaze for funsies even if it's not great

[deft stump]

I know that. Pubs don't and effectively make the game unfun for others. I get using it on like 14 crushers.

[ripe obsidian]

Awesome, I am glad. I put a lot of time into those, so it's good that people are benefiting

[marble crater]

If people benefit too much from it, they won't need your guide anymore...

What will you do then?

[zealous wing]

make an enshrouded guide

[frail tapir]

yeah it helped a lot with getting familiar with the talent options and such

also what's the dump stat for force gs again

[ripe obsidian]

Warp resist

[frail tapir]

I've started using a staff as sidearm since I'm not running assail to keep my peril up, and I occasionally blow myself up and feel like an idiot

and for some reason it always happens when scrier not off cooldown

[zealous wing]

thats what FGS is for

29 warp res will give you 50 peril

[ripe obsidian]

We all blow ourselves up sometimes

[frail tapir]

after buying 55 fgs I have acquired one with perfect stat spread

I'm not entirely sure this is the best way of doing it but whatever

now just to upgrade it 80 times

[plucky flax]

Make sure you stop once all the damage stats reach 80.

[frail osprey]

AI director spamming gunners more than anything now?

[zealous wing]

specials mostly

i personally havent noticed there being more gunners than normal, but, that could also just be me being unobservant and just enjoying the buffs

[burnt gazelle]

You prob got a gunner seed or two

[low merlin]

Finally getting a friend into Darktide.

I've won.

[acoustic jacinth]

40k indoctrination next

[low merlin]

He's already been introduced to 40k, but by getting him into Darktide he will be more into it.

[frail osprey]

Be sure to teach him all the tricks. There's surprisingly alot of things that the in game tutorial doesn't cover.

[low merlin]

Oh, I will. It took me forever to find out about what cleave, finesse, strength, and crits do.

[frail osprey]

Also tell him not to attack the demonhost. Alot of newbies learn the hard way.

[low merlin]

I will have to. I don't want him to get liquidated.

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/let-them-fight-godzilla-ken-gif-9562555

[low merlin]

Goated reference, but I think I'll have to teach him to avoid them in most occasions.

It's for the best.

[ripe obsidian]

Don't warn him. Let him learn by experience

The game has voice and audio cues to tell you as much

[low merlin]

Alright then.

I'm caught between warning him and letting him find out.

[zealous wing]

easy. "theres a daemon host, be careful"

if he continues, let him

[ripe obsidian]

Ping it and the characters will say as much

[zealous wing]

pretty much, yeah

[ripe obsidian]

For all its issues, the game is generally good about telling you what an enemy does through visual or audio cues

They've made them better with scum. Scum say things like, "Shove that burster away" instead of "shoot it"

[white sky]

I was floored when I heard BH say that tbh

Bounty Hunter specifically seems to have accurate call outs for most things

[ripe obsidian]

It's an underrated QoL change

[white sky]

They talk about having one person distract the BoN while the other 3 hit the glowy bit too

[frail tapir]

ok wait what the blazes are the combos for the fgs mk 6

cause I always use the other one but this one is apparently recommended

but I can't figure out the combos

[ripe obsidian]

Light, light, block cancel or swap cancel for horde clear

And heavy spam for single targets

The reason Mk6 is recommended is because it's named after me it has much easier access to the heavy stab

Horde clear is worse than Mk8 but still functional, and most of your horde clear comes from the special attack anyway

[zealous wing]

ah damn right i didnt finish my FGS tutorial clip

[zealous wing]

from my build description, explaining FGS: "if you want a more technical approach, light attacks 1, 2, and 3 are sweeping attacks, and after any of these attacks, perform a block cancel by holding block for just a moment before continuing your attacks to loop this pattern. this will allow you to bypass light attack 4, which is a strikedown single target attack. heavy attack 1 is a strikedown, and heavy attack 2 is a very strong stab attack, perfect for dealing with crushers in a swift manner, as well as maulers, ragers, and other bothersome heretics. to access heavy 2 in a quick manner, perform light attack 1 then initiate the heavy attack, which will be this stab attack. an alternate horde clear pattern is to loop the following pattern: light, light, light, heavy. "

[zealous wing]

btw check your DMS if you havent

i broked it

[ripe obsidian]

I will do this thing

[zealous wing]

and weaving >:(

[ripe obsidian]

I have been using BB on my meleeker

BB with EK as a sidearm

[frail tapir]

trying to fit the soulflame talents into my build is turning into a headache

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is also very good. Better horde clear than a BB build

[frail tapir]

I kinda want to soulflame for the memes but it doesn't seem like it will likely work

[ripe obsidian]

What is the build?

[frail tapir]

meleeker

scriers and such

yeah I can't tell if soulblaze is doing much at all tbh

[zealous wing]

it tends to not when you're doing just a lil bit

you usually need something else to trigger it in addition, like a trauma staff or inferno

[ornate hamlet]

I don't remember who told me, but the damage from soulblaze stacks is not linear and it's kinda goofy

Shatfark

[zealous wing]

@ripe obsidian NERD

[frail tapir]

how much utility does wildfire actually get you

[frail tapir]

does the perk on the fgs to stack soulblaze not get you enough?

[zealous wing]

blazing spirit?

on FGS?

not even close

someone around here has made a "blazing spirit FGS" build, with all the other fire based things, including shrieks creeping flames, to try and frame blazing spirit FGS as good, when its just stone soup at that point

[ripe obsidian]

fixed the broken link

Also added a "how to use this guide" section at the top

review that pls

[zealous wing]

kk

[ripe obsidian]

It's a cubic function.

Stacks increase in damage per tick up to 15-16, then decrease again

[frail tapir]

and you basically are never getting high enough stacks to be worth if you aren't running inferno?

that kinda sucks

[ripe obsidian]

Not true

Soulblaze scales on all sorts of damage boosts

This is an H40 I did with EK + Shriek

[zealous wing]

looks good

[ripe obsidian]

A full 1/3 of my damage is soulblaze.

[frail tapir]

well what I'm wondering is if it would work on a meleeker type build, with fgs and voidblast and the soulblaze talents on both

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze on melee is an iffy proposition

The big issue is that it only applies on crits, but doesn't apply if you kill the enemy with the crit

[ripe obsidian]

Good. Hopefully it helps some folks.

[frail tapir]

then why I see a lot of the melee builds running perilous combustion, wouldn't it be better to throw the talent point somewhere else if not building soulblaze?

[ripe obsidian]

But this is the scaling chart (less rows 26-31) for Soulblaze. You can see in the absolute gain column that it increases up until 15-16, then decreases.

[zealous wing]

where do you see these?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not like perilous combustion with melee tbh

A lot of people do

It tends to be pretty low damage without another source of soulblaze. I am probably gonna move it down to orange in the template

[frail tapir]

yeah I'm not gonna try and shove soulblaze into my melee build. I love the idea of it, but it's feeling pretty weak

[zealous wing]

i'd just take souldrinker if you really wanna and be done with the fire part

souldrinker would be free toughness if theres a fire-having psyker around

then you also dont have to worry about stack ownership and whatnot

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian I tag you :)

[ripe obsidian]

I am taggèd

[buoyant maple]

It’s just for FGS warp slash / assail to snowball into mixed horde

[ripe obsidian]

It's still not very good tbh

I commonly see sub-50k soulblaze damage on 2m damage games where PC is the only source

[buoyant maple]

It’s alright, not the biggest damage contributor

[hearty wolf]

Play?

[plucky flax]

I can play 1 maybe 2 rounds.

[ripe obsidian]

Okeydokey

I am available for a bit

[zealous wing]

tis very smol

[plucky flax]

I can play meme range scum

[buoyant maple]

Ik

[zealous wing]

what do people even sacrifice for PC

like, ik warp speed is unusual but i get more use out of it than i would a lil fire

[buoyant maple]

What’s warp speed again

[zealous wing]

scriers give +20% movespeed

+60% total movespeed possible, makes me go zoom

bonus if i have knife (i dont run knife much)

[plucky flax]

Come online son

[buoyant maple]

What would u recommend

[lean pivot]

Any chance psykers have different elements besides fire, lighting and the voidblast/strike? Like in the 40k verse that the rejects could use

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on the build.

[ripe obsidian]

Not currently, in the game at least

[buoyant maple]

just a generic FGS assail gun build

[zealous wing]

i would reccommend my build in the guide, new psyker section

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bcdc7a-d0f6-4438-825d-fa4fe02e1909/berpsyker
dis one

[hexed cape]

think it's time to roll up a psyker. whatever power that vomits out the shards that auto track and kill everything look fun. flame staff to.vomit fire everywhere is also funny.

idk anything else about psyker

[lean pivot]

It might be cool if they add ice, or some similar staves from VM2. The rapid shooting staff etc

[zealous wing]

RUDE

[ripe obsidian]

Or the +10% ranged damage node

I mean, there are loads of things that are more valuable than PC

[ripe obsidian]

I am, in fact, the rudest person

[zealous wing]

this is true

:(

how dare you rudely give me the best glider in the game in enshrouded

[buoyant maple]

I actually like the assail +cleave subnode

[zealous wing]

dont need it if you have warp splitting

[deft stump]

Meanest and rudest?

[ripe obsidian]

You can drop one of the tanky nodes to get it easily enough

[buoyant maple]

I think it's good in addition to peril cleave

[frail tapir]

not taking by crack of bone is wild behavior

[zealous wing]

my build does have 29/30 points spent tho so you CAN use that leftover for it

[ripe obsidian]

Tis me, yes.

[zealous wing]

if you say "gotta keep scriers active long as possible", as to why you should take it, im going to facetable

[ripe obsidian]

I want high peril

[frail tapir]

nah it just fun

[zealous wing]

not to be rude but its so common

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB is fine to pick. I don't love it

[hexed cape]

does seer's presence boost blitz cooldown

[zealous wing]

also true, BCoB works against what psyker thrives at

[frail tapir]

warp ghost will keep you there

[zealous wing]

no

[ripe obsidian]

Not if you use BCoB

[buoyant maple]

assail's hitmass override is pretty op

[zealous wing]

not if you use BCoB

[frail tapir]

if you have assail or a staff you can use those to keep you at high peril

[buoyant maple]

makes cleave increase much better than it looks

[zealous wing]

not if you use BCoB

[ripe obsidian]

@hearty wolf final call before we ride into the night

[frail tapir]

idk it feels like when I don't take BCoB I have to quell a bunch and that boring

[frail tapir]

skill issue

[zealous wing]

learn tap quelling

[plucky flax]

[zealous wing]

then dont quell

[buoyant maple]

also pretty sure assail has no cleave dmg distribution?

[wraith sphinx]

erm learn this erm learn that why don't you learn to have some fun

[plucky flax]

Tru

[frail tapir]

real

[buoyant maple]

FGS looks so slow when not doing the optimal horde combo

[plucky flax]

I think my dt died.

[ripe obsidian]

Seems to have

[plucky flax]

I'll rejoin

[zealous wing]

tf you mean optimal combo

[frail tapir]

and what do you do here if a ranged enemy appears

oh wait you running gun

[zealous wing]

pop scriers and deal with it

[buoyant maple]

swap twice, light twice (optionally 3rd light if u want), repeat

it's pretty cursed

idk why they made FGS like this

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/3bce3a493fce51ef241423490b28a41cfdeca342/scripts/settings/damage/damage_profiles/archetypes/psyker_damage_profile_templates.lua#L329

[zealous wing]

im not running a macro for QQ

[ripe obsidian]

It does

[buoyant maple]

ok so 3 targets

it's not as bad as I thought tho

[frail tapir]

plus you take quietude with BCoB and you then get to mix in warp attacks with staves or assail more often as well as getting a bunch of toughness regen from the peril up/down

[buoyant maple]

0.75 impact ADM across the board is so funny like

[hexed cape]

does ranged damage boost assail?

[zealous wing]

yes

it is a ranged warp attack with cleave

so anything modifying that, applies