psyker-class

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/come-at-me-gif-14819347

[clever olive]

how did you guys complete the cliffhanger penance

?

it pisses me off SM

[hollow summit]

getting a friend ogryn to lure a bunch of shit to the edge then chuck them with smite

[wraith sphinx]

I did it by pure accident by just knocking back enemies on that Archivum Sycorax pipe bridge

[half pebble]

So like is the consensus fem loner x fem judge or fem loner x fem fanatic

[clever olive]

thanks will be sure to try

that shit is boiling my blud

[deft stump]

Fem Loner x Fem Fatalist.

[half pebble]

Ong

Trye

[deft stump]

I like my silly ships, bonus if it's two of each and the two loners keep fucking off and leaving their handlers confused as all heck.

[half pebble]

Ong true

The rejects fuck a lot i think

[deft stump]

Fucking off to kiss on missions while burning and bonking heretics.

[half pebble]

The only ones sparred are the ogryns ofc

[deft stump]

The Loose Cannons slept with everyone else but the obviously innocent oggies.

[half pebble]

I like t9 think they also havent slept with each other and share lists of their favourite lays tbh

Theyre fellow connoisseurs

[deft stump]

Though I like Shipping the Fem LC and the Fem Judge cos.

[deft stump]

Enjoying bi the way?

[half pebble]

Absolutely

[half pebble]

This is based

I love them bot)

Uptight evil lady x very laid back evil lady

[deft stump]

Not evil... just... crazy but not Anarchist crazy.

[half pebble]

So true

Both loosies have ptsd imo

[deft stump]

I know, they hide it in different ways.

But it leaks out at times.

[half pebble]

They secretly need hugs

And so does cutthroat

[deft stump]

They are Tsundere, we know.

[half pebble]

Im so glad psyker chat is more epic

[half pebble]

Cutthroat is incredibly subby secretly and also like to be a puppy

[thorn cedar]

what the fuck, i just woke up, why

[deft stump]

Old news. Why do you think a silly vet hangs out here instead even if the witches keep spamming blunt blunt blunt.

[thorn cedar]

why is this what you greet me with

[half pebble]

You forfeit your right to not see yaoi and yuri when you enter psyker

[deft stump]

I only said the Cutthroats are Tsundere.

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[sullen mango]

i need a flirting compilation video

[thorn cedar]

loose cannon deffo want to get force choked by the enforcer psyker

[half pebble]

So trye

[half pebble]

Like that one image where padme is like "harder ani~" that I won't link bc i cant rember the artist

[low merlin]

Hello!

I'm new here now.

Rate the build I'm cooking up for an assassin/support Psyker: Deimos Mk IV Blaze Force Sword, Agripinaa Mk IX Headhunter Autogun, Smite, Telekine Shield, & Disrupt Destiny. With three stamina curios.

[radiant frigate]

yeah i have a question

what's the horde solution

[low merlin]

Smite and pray my teammates assist.

Or I could swap out the Force Sword for the Dueling Sword.

[radiant frigate]

depending on smite with no enhancements or shriek is a?bad idea

[low merlin]

The smite is enhanced.

[radiant frigate]

well you mentioned DD, not EP

[low merlin]

Fair enough.

But it's also an autogun, so it should be able to assist with horde clearing.

[median furnace]

Remember you don't only have to use shriek, other blocking like the force sword push also works. Just tell your crew in advance that you'd like some of the horde on the bridge you're on. I find the Chasm Logistratum beginning bridge worked for me. (the small one to the side, a horde spawns after passing it so it's a good spot)

[radiant frigate]

throwing headhunter ammo into hordes also seems inefficient to me so wouldn't recommend depending on it

[half pebble]

Painstakingly brainburst all of them /j

[radiant frigate]

smite does not go well with bubble or gun

[half pebble]

I say force greatsword :3

[low merlin]

That or dueling sword?

[radiant frigate]

the build would indeed be improved by fgs

DS has pretty bad horde clear

[low merlin]

Fair.

[radiant frigate]

without stacking a ton of buffs a la zealot

ds/deimos horde clear can be serviceable but not with the aforementioned build
need to weave with assail, sg, mm, warp-splitting

[hollow summit]

wow

first time seeing an actual usable roll

[low merlin]

🤑

I actually have two Psykers. The first one I made is also my first Darktide character, he's running the melee lobotomy build, and the second one is the assassin.

[hollow summit]

i have 2 builds

they are sith lord

and sith lord

[radiant frigate]

assassin can mean a lot of things depending on who you ask, what did you have in mind?
perhaps then we can build something that fits and works well

[low merlin]

Picking off elites and annoyances from long distance and supporting the team from behind them.

[radiant frigate]

how do you feel about ✨ voidstrike ✨

[low merlin]

Ehh... I can take or leave the staves, to be honest.

[half pebble]

Its acrually pretty ok

It worksish

[night marten]

Team might like you using BB for this more than smite

[half pebble]

The lights arent good for fighting single targets so i presume thats why theyre there

Not horde clear sorry

Uhhh crowd control

They can stunlock hordes sometimes if you can dance around them

Its not optimal by any means tho

Go force greatsword if youre concerned abt it

[low merlin]

Fair enough

[radiant frigate]

with enough attack speed and damage buffs it's workable yes

but by itself, out of the box? no good

fgs very good

[half pebble]

This is valid

And true

I wish to hesr more of your wisdom

[radiant frigate]

another option is the other non-deimos force swords

illisi is a horde clear specialist and deals well with anything not ogryn-sized

obscurus is more varied but also has an actual horde clear loop now

[half pebble]

Yay

[radiant frigate]

all depends on what you want to cover and how you want to support it

[low merlin]

Yeah.

I need to swap to my main character to grind materials first.

So I can level up everything.

The grind is real.

[ripe obsidian]

Obscurus is very strong.

I keep hopping between Deimos and Obscurus

Obscurus is the strongest offensively. It has an incredibly strong single-target combo and the H1 can one-bop most specials even in H40. Horde clear combo is mediocre, but it exists.

Deimos does lower single-target and has basically no horde clear, but is very safe. H2 is a poke that's strong enough to knock over a crusher or captain.

Illisi is obsolete due to FGS.

[weary crane]

Man I hate rotten armour with passion

[ripe obsidian]

If you have a decent team and lots of CC or DoTs, is not so bad

[weary crane]

10 dudes that can 1 shot you with a bazillion hp

And unstaggerable with final toll

[ripe obsidian]

I trio'd final toll + rot last night

With shredder vet and non-toxin grenade scum.

Smart positioning so you can retreat safely is important

[weary crane]

True but some maps just don't allow it

[ripe obsidian]

Rot enemies move like 25% slower than normal if not toll'd

There are some maps where the drop just fucks you, yeah.

Chasm Logistratum tunnel is the big one

[weary crane]

You either have to push forward to avoid them - and trigger more, or get fucking in a corner

I'm annoyed at the shock mine nerf tbh

[ripe obsidian]

In Logistratum and other such bad places, I think it mostly comes down to having a good team comp

It amuses me that shock mine was nerfed just before releasing the two strongest blitzes in the game

[weary crane]

I think it should've stayed at 1 minute

And arby nade decreased to 45

[deft stump]

Because selling new broken class.

[weary crane]

Supercell strategy

[deft stump]

Why play old nerfed stuff when you can play something ridiculous (chem nades.)

Rockets got overbuffed in a way.

[weary crane]

Next season:

Crusher hp buffed
New modifier that negates rending

[deft stump]

Since they are now better than oggy frag.

[wispy bay]

Rocket really didn't need the 3 shots.

[ripe obsidian]

Next you'll say they shouldn't have fundamentally changed how dodges work the day before vacation.

[wispy bay]

2 shots is ok, but they had to buff everything about it for some reason.

[deft stump]

To be fair, is good change if you have stamina... problem is it lingers even on an empty tank.

Though it does make ganger even more busted since inf stam.

[ripe obsidian]

And 0.6 second dodge recharge.

And a long enough dodge that stamina regens before it finishes, ha.

[ripe obsidian]

Here and now we mourn for the Oggy nuke. I saw someone on reddit trying to argue the nuke is meant for different scenarios because it has more stagger. I disagree. They're for the same situations of, "Lots of scary things in that direction," but the boom bringer can be used 3-4x as much

[plucky flax]

RPG is op mane

[deft stump]

Nuke needs to ACTUALLY KILL.

To make it worth the single use.

And no, chaff doesn't count.

I heard 1 rpg is enough to wreck a ritual.

While frag gambles.

[wispy bay]

Arguably better, because it can kill most things.

[ripe obsidian]

Boom Bringer is inarguably better

Even if you only had 1

[wispy bay]

If it is within 1m radius, it kills anything short of blessed crusher in H40.

[ripe obsidian]

Oggy nuke is basically just an, "I need space to clutch some revives" button at this point

[ripe obsidian]

I think with a couple buffs up it should kill crushers, too. Explosive damage isn't reduced by Rotten Armor.

[wispy bay]

Frag bomb is worthless vs orgryn wall.

[deft stump]

It needs to kill them to be worth.

[wispy bay]

Should be able to do significant enough damage to soften them at least.

[deft stump]

And also properly chunk bosses.

RN, it feels like even kraks beat it.

[ripe obsidian]

If oggy frag stays at single use, it needs to reliably kill crushers and have an AoE spread of bleed or fire stacks

[deft stump]

Since you get 4?

Or 3 without twinned.

Twinning on bosses also funni.

[wispy bay]

Honestly, at this point, the grenade box is a decent alternative to the frag bomb.

[deft stump]

More stagger, more time to pickup.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not currently running twinned grenades on H40 vet. I swapped it to extra toughness gen to help me survive

[wispy bay]

You actually stun the enemy longer, though in smaller radius.

[deft stump]

Ah. Still 3 kraks.

But yeah, oggy frag honestly needs a big buff to tie to the single use thing.

And no, I'm ignoring mortis trials.

[wispy bay]

Or make rocket 1 round, or 2 round with slightly reduced damage...

[deft stump]

That, or RPG needs a nerf again.

Somewhere between og and now.

[wispy bay]

I dislike the "buff everything to the current best".

It works for warframe and some MMO, but because the enemy can scale indefinitely.

[deft stump]

Also, flame grenades buff plox.

[wispy bay]

The characters are so strong in this game nowadays that they remove the easier difficulties...

[deft stump]

It feels super sad compared to chem.

[wispy bay]

Auric is now trivial...

[ripe obsidian]

+the chance for grenades on kill

[ripe obsidian]

I am wary of more buffs at this point. Power creep is going wild.

[deft stump]

Alternative is nerfing rpg to somewhere between og and now.

Also good.

It needs to be weaker than frag.

To compensate for more uses.

[wispy bay]

Just make it huge direct hit with quick damage drop off, but keep the radius.

[ripe obsidian]

I nearly got outdamaged on Inferno + Shriek by a toxin scum yesterday. Like 2.1m damage to 2.05m

[wispy bay]

So it is still somewhat of a power fantasy, but not too strong.

[ripe obsidian]

Toxin + RPG scum*

[wispy bay]

Heavy sword or Dclaw on ganger can do some dumb shit.

[deft stump]

Except flame grenades... only use for it is dog packs.

It's actually a sad sad 'nade now.

[plucky flax]

Real

[weary crane]

Yeah, imo it should kill everything in h40 apart from bosses for 20m, then damage falls off. But everything on the entire map should be staggered/suppressed

Need to justify only 1 nade

[sullen mango]

imagine spawning everything on the map and aggroing it at once

[deft stump]

I mean, it should either do more than RPG or RPG nerfed to somewhere between the OG state and now.

[bronze hound]

What melee weapon do you recommend for the classic meta bubble build? Something to move fast for repositioning or classic force swords?

[simple galleon]

After 80 hours of playing psyker with the same build, using brain rupture, i just right click charged for the first time and it mentally broke me so bad i thought my game was broken and restarted it

[dense valley]

aight can anyone confirm how blaze away work and the best way to utilize it w purgatus? like short charge time work or do we need to max charge to hit the 40% strength ?

[plucky flax]

Spam minimal charge is fine

[dense valley]

so like we still getting the 40% strength bonus but in a shorter window right ?

[weary crane]

Charging to about 1/4 bar keeps the stacks

[plucky flax]

Yeah you keep permanent 5 stacks blaze away.

[summer prairie]

The only thing you lose when short charging is the non-sb ramp up damage

[tardy swallow]

am I correct in assuming that empowered psionics builds just aren't a thing?

[thorn cedar]

you can do them, and they do things

but by the numbers and by their design theyre kinda stinky

[summer prairie]

bubble purg with EP is a bit better or more compelling to play than bubble purg with WC

[tardy swallow]

gotcha, that tracks with what I was looking at

[thorn cedar]

they can be pretty fun honestly

super fast brainbursts with double wall

ep smite locks down a room comically fast and has almost justifiable damage

its just youre giving up global damage bonuses from the other keystones (among other things) just to buff your blitz exclusively

and thats a dubious proposition

[tardy swallow]

I only have two Psyker builds right now, one Flames and one gunblade

still haven't figured out a fun shield build yet

I do want a good support psyker build

[thorn cedar]

you can try the brainburst one

do shield walls with kinetic resonance

its pretty silly but it works

[sullen mango]

Smite scriers EP makes all the map stand still for your team to kill them

[marble crater]

Which isn't a good thing, because it's boring

[dense valley]

thanks, I keep thinking blaze away stack is per cast not a buff like that

[north otter]

are there any HUD mods that make it more convenient to see buffs

I'm trying that uncanny strikes business with the flame staff but it's not easy to see the stacks in combat

[acoustic jacinth]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/9

these are key

take your time customizing

might take you a while to decide

[north otter]

👌 epic

[cedar delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Farmw21I0Ok

[marble crater]

Actually a good title

[fickle depot]

dont suppose anyone has a link (or google term) for a guide to 'crafting' weapons etc? (mostly just how max values work, do i have to random grey items loads to find one with high values, do i need specific things etc)

quick google just kept finding out of date info lol

[marble crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxShYmKrKFg&

[fickle depot]

thanks!

[plucky flax]

Wrong

[marble crater]

I think it's a good one

[plucky flax]

[pine elk]

question does the crosshair HUD thing also have a countdown for Scrier's Gaze lingering effect?

I saw someone using something like that.

[cedar delta]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366?tab=description

[pine elk]

Thanks

[verbal thistle]

Better buff management makes you able to take 1 buff and put it in a custom spot

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah, it's its own mod as you saw there, i like using it too

[low merlin]

Do I take Dueling Sword or Blaze Force Greatsword?

[pine elk]

What's your focus with the build in question?

[low merlin]

Long range elite killing.

+team support.

[pine elk]

Hm, I'd probably say Dueling Sword if only long range elite killing, BFG can clear hordes with that activate ability.

[low merlin]

Yeah.

[pine elk]

Up to personal choice then I guess.

I don't know the blessings for Dueling Sword so you'll have to wait for someone else.

[low merlin]

I'm taking the dueling sword.

[prisma nova]

duelling sword can help you with overhead smashes

comes in clutch sometimes

thrust and uncanny normally

[low merlin]

It can also help with those dumb ahh carapace weirdos.

[verbal thistle]

If you want a fast carapace solution, the obscurus force sword is best in slot

Takes more skill then the dueling sword

But that's where the fun is

Learning how to be better at the game

[prisma nova]

uncanny also increases the flame dot after a weakspot hit.

[verbal thistle]

Indeed

And if you want to uncanny cheese the force swords are better for that

[prisma nova]

are they? I really like the speed of duelling sword and the parry if you get caught by crushers/maulers as a safety net.

[verbal thistle]

Push 5 times and you get max stacks

Force push also has a range of like 8 meters

[prisma nova]

nice, did not know that.

[verbal thistle]

Force push will always hit the hit

Thus stack uncanny

Dueling sword can't compare to what a force sword can do

Not to mention someone skilled using force sword

[prisma nova]

fair - as said, I personally enjoy the speed and parry a lot. but perhaps will take a look

thanks for the advice.

[cold ivy]

if you want a safety net, deimos is extremely safe because h2 knocks crushers to the floor instantly so you can spam l1 h2 over and over to juggle a whole bunch of them

doesn't kill armor as fast as obscurus though

[prisma nova]

that's the blaze force greatsword, right?

[plucky flax]

No that's another 1 hand force sword

[cold ivy]

there are 2 marks of one-handed force sword: deimos and obscurus

technically there's another one (illisi) but nobody really uses that

[plucky flax]

Rip illisi

[cold ivy]

it used to be a decent horde clear option but then the force greatswords came out

[verbal thistle]

Crazy idea

Riposte blazing spirit. Illisi. With charged strikes

And you just heavy spam

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi used to be one of the goats

Still did decent damage to carapace due to uncanny strike

Comfy to use

Sometimes I think obscurus should be changed to an Illisi that actually has strikedown attacks

[verbal thistle]

no

Don't touch my obscurus

it's perfect

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-magic-spell-gif-2056698596529947774

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1271944046474035310.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[ornate hamlet]

oooo you will let me change obscurus ooo

[wraith sphinx]

You can't, it's cursed

Touch the obscurus and zealot gets nerfed

[ornate hamlet]

Inexorable judgement now cannot build stacks while its buff is active

Scourge changed to 1s for balance

[wraith sphinx]

Fotf no longer replenishes toughness on use

[ornate hamlet]

Crit chance reduced to 50%

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[wraith sphinx]

Reduced rending values on powered up relic blade

[flat moat]

For a inferno staff build would a force sword work better than the greater force sword?

[marble crater]

Both work, depends on how much mobility you need/want. I don't like playing staves with great swords, both are slow

[kind vigil]

does the inferno staff apply soulblaze or is it a different effect?

[verbal thistle]

its soulblaze

[kind vigil]

oh

thanks

[ripe obsidian]

FGS + LMB EK supremacy

[marble crater]

One of these months I will play LMB EK, well... or RT EK I guess in my case

[wraith sphinx]

Nonsense, play inferno and turn the whole map white

[marble crater]

Inferno is boring though

[cedar delta]

lmb ek very nice, way more fun and engaging than inferno

[nocturne dust]

LMB EK is more boring to me

[marble crater]

But aiming hard

[cedar delta]

i don't even feel like im playing the game when using inferno

[nocturne dust]

Not really?

[cedar delta]

it do be

[nocturne dust]

You basically just listen to a constant WAM WAM WAM WAM WAM while pointing at enemies and having to move less... so loud Inferno, really

[cedar delta]

more aim than inferno

[nocturne dust]

Its suppression is strong enough that it plays very similarly

[nocturne dust]

less repositioning than inferno

and positioning is way more fun than aiming

[radiant frigate]

relic blade now explodes like plasma or psyker on overload

[tranquil mural]

im reading through the psyker build document and on the smite section it talks about not holding lmb but that is just a charge for like a burst attack right? why would someone just hold lmb wouldnt it be better if your goal was to be as lazy as possible to just hold rmb since you're always just shooting lightning?

[narrow herald]

wait is it true that psyker now has 30+ soulblaze stacks?

[modest perch]

always did

[wraith sphinx]

The point is that charged smite is easy to overdo to point of abuse and non-charged smite gets unfairly overlooked by the community. Spamming charged smite provides little value in dealing damage to enemies, puts you in danger when you inevitably tunnel vision while smiting, and irritates other players. Smite is amazing for mass staggering enemies of any size, and uncharged lmb smite is probably the safest tool for disposing poxbursters in the game.

[tranquil mural]

ty <3

[wraith sphinx]

[narrow herald]

havoc 40s: 😈

[ornate hamlet]

Smite exists in 3 ways:

• LMB can be used almost immediately when you swap and is super useful to interrupt most enemies without using ammo or really needing to aim
• RMB tap does a nice AoE knockdown that you can follow up with attacks of your own
• RMB hold is a last resort thing for when you know locking the enemy is absolutely necessary

Locking down the director when it decides it'd be fun to mix bulwarks, crushers and ragers is priceless

Meanwhile, smite spammers seeing 10 poxwalkers:

[ripe obsidian]

Did I write LMB there? I meant RMB. I can fix it.

[ornate hamlet]

Minor spelling mistake

[ripe obsidian]

Holding RMB is boring. LMB is fine.

[ornate hamlet]

LMB was my pick when I didn't want to use my revolver shots on specials just barely out of melee range

You zap a trapper for a fraction of a second and that's it, no net

[ripe obsidian]

I do not see where I made the mistake

[ornate hamlet]

Minor vision mistake

[ripe obsidian]

"Don’t be the stereotype of a bad Smyker. Use it sparingly. Make use of LMB to quickly stun and push enemies. Don’t stand in one place holding RMB, waiting for a sniper to drop you or a stealthy Crusher to smash your skull. Don’t smite bosses, who are immune to your CC. Use your weapons to do damage and kill priority targets.
Smite is a tool, not a one-size-fits-all problem solver. Use it strategically.
If you are struggling to make Psyker work without Smite, please look at some of the other builds here or ask in the Discord for help overcoming whatever challenges you’re facing."

Is what I have written

[ornate hamlet]

💪

Yo, this reminded me of when assail launched and people were basically maining it

Wacky times

[ripe obsidian]

I try to keep my takes neutral rather than condemning. Nothing turns people away faster than saying, "You're bad and your playstyle is bad."

[ornate hamlet]

tbh yeah

[acoustic jacinth]

this new hood is peak

[ornate hamlet]

As much as I dislike smite spamming, I try not to let it make me hate smite itself, because I also use it and it's a super useful tool

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-peak-it's-mid-orange-cat-gif-17883059146133370492

[tranquil mural]

oh what i was saying is that wouldnt holding lmb which is just instant lightning be easier/better than just standing around charging a blast up.

sorry i may have written that in a way that didnt make much sense.

i think i may be confused 🙂‍↕️

[ornate hamlet]

For single-target, yeah

Well, it chains a bit, but nothing on the level of the RMB

[simple galleon]

Bro these solo mod challenges are brutal 💀

I'm getting whooped out here ahahah

[verbal thistle]

do you have artificial latency mod?

[simple galleon]

Haven't heard of it no

[verbal thistle]

offline mode has 0 ping giving you 0 lag compensation

and darktide combat was made around having lag comp.

you need to fight differently and frame perfect without lag comp

with lag comp it'll play like normal

I highly recommend getting it and turning ping to around 60-90

[ornate hamlet]

[verbal thistle]

I use this for my True Solos making me able to actually dodge certain things

[simple galleon]

Oh really, that's a great recommend thank you- i just opened it and it specifically mentions snipers who were torching me ahaha

[verbal thistle]

boss overheads/snipers/mutant grabs are nearly instant with 0 ping

[ornate hamlet]

Funny how it goes from Vermintide delaying blocking because of ping, to Darktide being made with ping in mind

[verbal thistle]

peer to peer vs server basead mindset

[ornate hamlet]

Does explain a bit of why I feel like Darktide is so much easier to play than Vermintide on a basic level

[simple galleon]

Offline did feel really bad but i also am first timing havoc 40 so i attributed it solely to that, that's great info brother appreciate it

[ornate hamlet]

Ainz, when will I get smarterer and betterer than you

I wanna be the next hokage of Atoma

[verbal thistle]

play and research

I have 4k hours now

[ornate hamlet]

studying

[verbal thistle]

and often talk to code divers and playtesters

[ornate hamlet]

The good part is that I did get a lot of secondhand knowledge from others asking questions that made me go "hm, I never tought about that"

With answers that usually make me go "hm, Fatshark really is built different"

[candid locust]

Beloved* when the clowncar of crushers that will inevitably kill me comes barrelling around the corner (im in a braindead flow state stabbing 1 billion shotgunners in the head)
-# * NOT an avatar of Tzeentch trolling me. by the way.

[simple galleon]

omg its a completely different experience with 75ms lmao, the bullets aren't obliterating me like john wick without plot armor

thank you

I thought i was crazy cause one second out of cover and i was gone ahahaha, nearly won first try

[ripe obsidian]

LMB is faster and better for disrupting specific targets. RMB is a bit slower to get out, and it locks down half the map

[thorn cedar]

This is what made writing my Smite guide so hard, lmao. It was very difficult to find a tactful and approachable way to write "You're really so, so fucking stupid if you think this is good."

[tranquil mural]

icic when i was doing the smite penance i was just holding lmb

[lunar beacon]

Dangit... I forgot all the talent trees got erased last update and I can't remember what I had for psyker o.o

[ripe obsidian]

Friend

Countryperson

Lend me your ears

For I have solved this problem for you.

Look ye upon the pins.

[steel flame]

???

Ah, the train yard mid event

[verbal thistle]

Just another things fatshark doesn't expain

Lag comp

Happy to help

[eternal tusk]

daily reminder the emperor loves you

[eternal tusk]

oh sorry that was for the ogryns

the message for the loner psykers the emperor loves you and to everyone else

https://tenor.com/view/so-so-iffy-maybe-not-maybe-in-between-gif-18850037

[vernal bear]

Emperor eats us for breakfast 😒

[low merlin]

While you all rush in with your swords and staves, I calculate and advance, because I run my specialized assassin/sniper build.

I do have two Psykers though, one is the melee lobotomy build and is my first ever character., and the second one is the assassin.

Also, am I the only one who writes oc lore for my Darktide characters?

[simple galleon]

I'm still using Blaze Away despite not really charging and no gun damage reduction curios, cause that's how i play in my havoc missions

[sullen mango]

Wtf

That's news

[verbal thistle]

yes

[boreal steppe]

also like
Im trying the blazeforce greatsword (mk VIII) more
the light attack combo just, feels off

like

It just doesnt feel natural

[simple galleon]

I feel like lowkey i just needed to not troll the poxburster and its a dub

[boreal steppe]

oh wait, its the swing speed

why does she just, swing it so slow

[sullen mango]

Definitely for finishing the crusher

And probably for running away and creating space

[random spruce]

Fellas, I been losing my mind with Mr E takes around psyker power. Am I out of touch. Are we apparently the most broken busted class causing all of the problems in DT rn?

[sullen mango]

That's very good dash management tho

[neon gull]

which channel do I go to to ask help getting the Malleus Monstronum pennance?

[verbal thistle]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045597890472579075

[neon gull]

yt

ty

[simple galleon]

I was just joking about that video with a friend the other day, the new class ranking one?

Mr E yapping about how Psyker is literally braindead while dropping not even half the damage of the top guy on his team, with damage ability 😂

There's a point where he says you're tanky as shit now too and then he dies in the footage

[random spruce]

Yea, I was fighting in the trenches of his chat Livestream today too. I just can't wrap my head around where the fuck his ideas are coming from

[simple galleon]

It's slop content just redoing the same tier list he already did, with hive scum

[random spruce]

And it seems to be infecting the community at large too.

[simple galleon]

He's out of touch for sure

Great guy but what are we doing here lmao

You just cant call it braindead easy from the absolute PITS of the bottom of the scoreboard

[random spruce]

Like they think the entire reason shit like crusher spam and enemy count in high havoc is the way it is is due to purgatus existing

I agree too don't get me wrong, he's a nice dude and I like his content. But Jesus I'm so afraid fatshark is gonna do some dumb shit and nerf us to the ground because of his and Reginald's reach

[verbal thistle]

psyker is the class that needs the most nerfs. But we'll see what fatshark does

[random spruce]

What do you think needs nerfed on us?

[verbal thistle]

soulblaze, peril, damage scaling, finese, cdr, force swords, uncanny, and more

[simple galleon]

While he's opining about how Psyker doesnt take any skill anymore

[verbal thistle]

Fatmangus build spotted

I see a.a there

[random spruce]

I just don't see how you can think so much of our stuff is over tuned

[simple galleon]

maybe i shouldnt post with other peoples name showing on there but they played really well to carry him, so probably fine

[verbal thistle]

it's fine

its a youtube video

a.a is chill

I can just guess what build he is running

I love that build

I made my own video on it

[simple galleon]

I won't comment on if we're busted, i got 130 hours played, but i think its more our potential to cleave a whole screen forever + combustion and our utility

[verbal thistle]

I have over 4k hours and have played every difficulty/weapon/map

and I think psyker needs the most nerfs

[simple galleon]

Do you think Psyker needs nerfs or other classes need buffs? arent the average havoc players filtered by 30?

[verbal thistle]

nerf players down

the game engine is literally breaking trying to spawn enough enemies to stop us

too much power creep

nerf alot of things

unless they clean clutter and game engine

there isnt any other way

but who knows. its fatshark, we'll see what they do

[simple galleon]

Im all for better game performance

[verbal thistle]

same

[acoustic jacinth]

Was gonna say, it's far better for the player to be restricted rather than the game have to keep up with the player's BS. This is how you create poor performance and even poorer balance

VT2 is a great example of this

[verbal thistle]

Indeed

VT2 is a great point for cross reference

[simple galleon]

Vermintide just absolutely GAPS Darktide for optimization too though

i remember having hundreds of bodies on the ground no problem

i got... five, in darktide

[verbal thistle]

because there is less powercreep so less things need to happen to give actual tide experience

[simple galleon]

Arent there more mobs in hordes in VT2 though?

[acoustic jacinth]

It doesn't help that the dt community is so explosive to every change and idea

[simple galleon]

its been a few years for me

[acoustic jacinth]

No, darktide has quite larger hordes

[verbal thistle]

darktide

outside of modded realm, DT spawns way more

[simple galleon]

VT too though

[acoustic jacinth]

You have to mod VT2 to even get near darktide numbers

[simple galleon]

ahh ok

[acoustic jacinth]

Anyways tbh

With how it is

It just feels

Mildly irritating

At best

[random spruce]

Yea but theres part of my issue. Purgatus isn't what caused enemy spam. Purgatus is good because of enemy spam. Prior to the recent past 8-12 ish months of game cycle purg was good. But never necessarily the best.

I can remember the arguments over how good or bad it was because it took so much ramp up time compared to other builds. But he's not wrong that it scales with enemy count. So when fatshark started increasing enemy count it took the spot of trauma, elektro, and voidstrike.

Currently it's ramp up time and relatively slow ttks don't matter because so much is on the map you can overcap soul flame stacks immediately

But lowering the enemy count lowers the power of that weapon too without needing to nerf anything.

I guess it would just suck for them to nerf that too after nerfing literally every other staff since game release

[verbal thistle]

its not just purg

[acoustic jacinth]

This is a core game issue yeah

[simple galleon]

Darktide does so many things poorly that it's surprising how awesome it is

[acoustic jacinth]

Strong base and addictive gameplay loop

[simple galleon]

Like half the tooltips being wrong or intentionally confusing from stuff like "assassin style weapon"

facts though

[acoustic jacinth]

DT is also more expressionate as a tide game

[simple galleon]

satisfying ragdolls

[acoustic jacinth]

More to work with

More to imagine and buildcraft

[simple galleon]

Skill trees are awesome for sure

balancing leaves a bit to be desired

[acoustic jacinth]

It comes down to what you can and cannot accept as a tradeoff

[simple galleon]

I remember the feeling of throwing those psyker knives at my first crusher 💀

did half his hp bar or less

[acoustic jacinth]

I've met plenty of vt or dt players who cannot play one or the other for preference's sake

So yeah gotta weigh that value yourself

I like both

[simple galleon]

I wonder what's the thought process behind stuff like how toughness bleeds through

I dont think i ever played a game where "shield" worked like this

[acoustic jacinth]

It's definitely unique, but very important

[mental rock]

Toughness is the way it is because of the drastically increased amount of ranged enemies in dt vs vt

[acoustic jacinth]

If we did not have chip dmg the game would be stupidly easier

[simple galleon]

you can remove the chip damage and scale the enemies to be stronger though, getting rid of the unintuitive mechanic that confuses every new player until they google it

[verbal thistle]

its sorta the tide magic

[acoustic jacinth]

And also the drastically increased toughness gen, really. You can farm THP quick in VT2 via many different ways sure, but not like darktide, where psykers can get full toughness in 1 microsecond

[verbal thistle]

learning how things work yourself/research

it seems on purpose with how often they leave out info

Which is interesting

I like and dislike

like at 4k hours I still learn

but it hurts newer players

not to mention misinformation

[random spruce]

I always go back and forth on whether or not this is true. On one hand really good players could avoid essentially all damage. On the other hand there being so many sources of things that lower your toughness below 100% means you're always in danger of health damage which is annoyingm

[acoustic jacinth]

Actually insane how much they really do this. My first 100 hours were spent trying to understand my sorroundings, why stuff happens and basic mechanics

Literal pandemonium for a new player

[acoustic jacinth]

It's very necessary. Think of how much this would toy with important melee pressure like ragers. A veteran with exe stance + confirmed kill (not to mention more toughness sources) would troll even harder than they already are

[simple galleon]

I would agree with this, if it wasnt for how many times they awkwardly name stuff something that makes absolutely no sense, not intuitive at all

stuff like the weapon tags

"Strikedown", "Assassin" and so forth

I feel like it's just one guy who isnt being checked

[verbal thistle]

those have a purpose

let me find the info

but I see your point

they throw random name to players

[simple galleon]

A lot of them immediately use a term that better describes them, when explaining them

I dont remember them cause the names are so unintuitive

but if you immediately describe it as "a horizontal swing" then just call it that no?

[random spruce]

But they could also compensate by toning down toughness regen, or tinker with enemy damage as well. If they didn't have chip we probably wouldn't have so much Toughness gen.

It's just not very intuitive this way and breaks at higher difficulties. A shield makes most players think they're safe, but in dark tide you have to do calculus (/s) to figure out how much damage you'll actually take based on missing toughness.

And in high did content your shield starts to count for nothing against melee because you're always getting chipped from something. So you're effectively playing no hit runs on squishy classes

[verbal thistle]

there is a dodge mechanic to stop chip damage

[random spruce]

But I'm not as hard-line against chip as I am other stuff. It just sucks because it feels like chip magnify's surprise pop in enemy stuff.

[verbal thistle]

and the attacks you should worry about are annocued (rager scream, crusher grunting as he rasises his weapon, mauler yelling doing the same)

[sullen mango]

Voidblast and voidstrike

[verbal thistle]

a classic

[sullen mango]

Even worse before the change

[random spruce]

Funnily enough I feel like those are the things I die the least to though. It's probably 50/50 crusher hits from them skating on ice to me or not registering my dodge. Or 2 pox walkers appearing behind me and striking me at exactly the same time in sync.

A lack of chip damage doesn't prevent the first from occuring. But it does the second. So the stuff that's supposed to be dangerous still would be. But the bullshitty stuff would be less bullshitty

[verbal thistle]

its how darktide was designed. I got used to the toughness system

[random spruce]

Sure, I mean I been here since beta too. I'm used to it. It's just always struck me as weird

[simple galleon]

oh right lmao

Yeah like i said, I absolutely love DT but man they really made some stuff incredibly unintuitive in ways that could have been easily avoided

Im still not sure why guns sometime kill me fully

[mental rock]

I mean the names were fine before, they changed them to something more confusing

[simple galleon]

do you remember what they were?

[random spruce]

Trauma and voidstrike

[verbal thistle]

Trauma/Voidstrike

[mental rock]

Voidblast was trauma staff

Voidstrike was the same

[simple galleon]

ohh thats why i see "trauma" builds

[random spruce]

I still call it trauma. I refuse to use their made up new names 😠

[simple galleon]

My simple ass is still just using inferno until i at least clear a 30 ahaha

fire go whoooosh

[random spruce]

That's another. It's purgatus and idc what anyone else says

[simple galleon]

i do need to glaze the game a bit now too

Psyker feels so freaking awesome to play man

Swapping between magic, melee and MORE magic in a triple threat setup

Absolute cinema

Makes up for my arch nemesis being a singular normal melee mob that the team walked over, waking up like a floridian crackhead and hitting me in the back of my head with a pipe for 50% of my hp bar

[random spruce]

Oh yea psyker has always been an incredible thing to experience. I for the life of me can't play any other class but it. I just get so bored on them.

[simple galleon]

its peak glass cannon experience

Might try Hive Scum also and Martyr zealot

Only Arbites looks like a snoozefest to me

[random spruce]

Every class has there own interesting thing they got going for them. Psykers to me has always been it's big tool kit. It's not as much lately but usually every good build has like 6 different weapons/spells that each kill only one or two things really well. So you're constantly playing this rhythm game swapping to each part of your kit to kill a fresh threat. All while trying to dip and dodge and not die.

Zealot was fun for feeling like a heavy metal experience. It's pure "fuck it we ball" energy. Every enemy is grass and you're a lawnmower. Pedal to the medal charge and rip and tear until it is done.

Vet feels like a true shock troop experience. It's the ranged version of zealot. Your kicking down doors, bolter gunning down enemies, tossing grenades to blow up "tanks" and keeping specials dead

But only psyker is a true wizard with a million spells to choose from

[vague bloom]

for smite psyker

what are the ranged weapons

im using DS for melee

[verbal thistle]

Whatever you find fun

[vague bloom]

hmm

[verbal thistle]

If you struggle in a certain area some weapons may help there

[thorn cedar]

i just do recon las cause its generically good

[verbal thistle]

I take shredder auto cause it's fun to bully ragers

[steel flame]

Las pistol las pistol las pistol

Pew pew

[thorn cedar]

revolver is kinda funny because when you let go of smite all the juicy elites and specials are just standing straight up while all the trash falls over so theyre easy to pick off

[vague bloom]

what are the las pistol stuff

@steel flame

[thorn cedar]

what, like perks n shit?

[vague bloom]

ye

flak +unyield

dum dum inferno

is what im doin atm

[thorn cedar]

yea that works

i think i have maniac on mine

cause its flak damage esp on crit/crit headshot is already really good

[steel flame]

Laspistol absolutely mauls non human bosses with minimal investment

Easy slot in

[vernal bear]

so i have a question for my brethren. Apologies if this is the incorrect chat. When i level up my blessings does my staff have those or is that just the level that i can now equip said blessing?

[verbal thistle]

When you unlocked blessings in the mastery tab it unlocks them in the pool of blessings you can choose from at the shrine

[vernal bear]

thats makes alot of sense, at first i othought it was just always on, which would be a touch broken. Just clicked while re blessing that that wouldnt make sense

[verbal thistle]

And don't worry you can unlock all blessings for all weapons at max mastery (20)

[mental rock]

Except shredder auto pistol

[vernal bear]

yuh did that for my staff and greatsword

[mental rock]

Only cause of bug though

[steel flame]

@verbal thistle im thinkin of givin obscurus another chance, what you recommend

the emp was nice enough to give me a perfect 37% warp resist fs

i havent actually looked into the dam thing since the beforfor times when it was the only fs we had

[deft stump]

Still funni they somehow broke that

Like, how? They didn't need to touch it, right?

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle I seem to be getting ~40% (+/- 5%) uptime on Arbites Vigilant. It'd be higher if I used BtL immediately, but I don't really wanna BtL into random masses of poxwalkers. If I can win a game, I can give you better data, but I have had Cursed games (capital C necessary) tonight.

oh, oops, there should be lone wolf in there, not the doggo shocky thing.

Fixed.

Running a melee build in blight havoc is not pleasant.

[verbal thistle]

I hate blight

I'm going to speedrun every blight I get

[verbal thistle]

I just EO

[ripe obsidian]

I like Forceful a lot

[verbal thistle]

its dumb strong

[ripe obsidian]

Is more fun for me

I don't enjoy EO very much

But I also like playing Arby as a sort of tank/support thing, and Forceful fulfills that fantasy

[plucky flax]

Both keystone super strong

Like warp charges and dd

[ripe obsidian]

Well, what do you think of the build, Agent?

I am still tweaking it

Mostly wondering if the dodge talent is worth a point, or to get the rending node

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/meerschwein-lisa-samuel-schnitte-samueeel-styropor-gif-25991737

this is what it sounds like when you hit rot with fgs

peak sound design

[neon laurel]

Sorry, don't mean to hijack, but would anyone wanna help me get Malleus Monstronum tonight?

[dull scroll]

actually now that I think about it that's probably how they got the sound 🤔

[random spruce]

Huh that's pretty ironic. I just watched an Agent Chaos vid to see how the new bubble knight is set up and then you appear here

[deft stump]

Question, which server?

I'll have to say no if it's in western hemisphere.

[random spruce]

Oh shit am I on Asia time rn.....fuck I need to sleep

[neon laurel]

I can switch to whatever server if we do Mortis Trial

[deft stump]

We can just dark communion mid boss though.

Unless you get lucky and a boss spawns a short bit after the drop down.

[neon laurel]

Ohyeah, if that map is up, definitely

[deft stump]

Story campaign exist lul.

[neon laurel]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhyeah! Brilliant 😄

[deft stump]

Just figure a server while I boot the game. I just DC on load in to NA/SA atm.

Otherwise I wouldn't mind US W.

Pick a strike team or just ingame. Friend code is next to name.

But stuck in load screen.

Game crashed cos it decided my mic is nonexistent.

GREAT.

[neon laurel]

😵‍💫

[deft stump]

Yeah. FS quality.

I was trying to figure out why it wasn't sending...

Went into settings and there goes the game.

[neon laurel]

My fam's all asleep (like I should be) so I can't talk on my mic right now, but I got headphones and can hear, if needed

[deft stump]

Is just the ingame thing won't pick it up.

I think it just hates 24 bits recording.

_>

Dunno what spaghetti code this is.

Let me guess, mic still doesn't work. GREAT.

Discord strike team it is.

25. And I think the ingame chat broke as well.

Since can't swap to team chat.

[neon laurel]

Oh it's fine. Thanks for helping!

Hey I got it! A monster appeared shortly after you disconnected, and I BBed it to death 😁

[deft stump]

Lul. It should be private even if I keep DCing, lul.

And yeah, you can leave immediately after.

But can confirm, US NG.

Flying bulwarks isn't something I wanna see.

[plucky flax]

Dodge talent is good. Huge increase in survivability

[plucky flax]

Thats not me

I am an imposter

[deft stump]

I smell lies.

[ripe obsidian]

I decided to try to play another. It was a bad idea.

I am overtired and playing like garbage

[plucky flax]

Time to rest

[ripe obsidian]

that was honestly probably the worst game I have played in months

I am very frustrated at myself

[plucky flax]

As long as you didnt ragequit its fine

[ripe obsidian]

Nah. But I did cause us to lose.

[deft stump]

That happens. Playing fresh is always a benefit than hours of exhaustion from too many games.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I just get frustrated about losing a lot, push on chasing a win, and play worse due to frustration and exhaustion and tilt

[deft stump]

I know, a downwards spiral.

[ripe obsidian]

Then anxiety spikes because my teammates are probably judging me

[deft stump]

Funny thing is, most simply don't care.

[plucky flax]

Not unless they repeatedly playing sus in multiple rounds then I know what to expect playing with them

[deft stump]

I mean, some outright tell you though.

[plucky flax]

[indigo galleon]

Are we more of a support class?

[rain wren]

Everyone has support abilities and psyker is actually top damage. Kind of toss up with scum depends

[marble crater]

We are a support class that helps the team survive by killing all enemies

[ivory monolith]

true

[deft stump]

And bubble for comfort herding?

[marble crater]

I don't herd people

[wispy bay]

It is mostly for me that people happen to stay in.

[indigo galleon]

Is that flame staff really silly?

[indigo galleon]

What’s scums highest dmg? Is it those daggers I always see

[rain wren]

Um depends

[patent jacinth]

Its Rashad or heavy sword or smth

[wraith sphinx]

I think its rashad?

[plucky flax]

Ye its strongest weapon in the hardest content

[wispy bay]

Dclaw

[patent jacinth]

Bromentum weapons are disgusting on scum

[rain wren]

If you talking max damage I would focus on chem with sawbone. If quick kills go for shivs

[indigo galleon]

Ohh shivs that’s what it was

[plucky flax]

In havoc imo range scum does more damage

Cos of unlimited ammo

[rain wren]

There is also range yea

[wispy bay]

Dclaw is so silly with ganger because of their wuick stam regen.

[indigo galleon]

Ohh I saw this greatsword or force sword I think it’s called? That looks really fun yall use that?

[rain wren]

Just if you going for range bring your dodge game

[wispy bay]

Yes

Force great sword or FGS for short.

[plucky flax]

Range scum can use jitter

And spam dodge forever

[zealous wing]

FGS, best melee there is imo

[rain wren]

Yes fgs for the win with berserker psyker

[indigo galleon]

I’m a melee main actually

[zealous wing]

zealot thammer goes in second, because boss delete is really funny

[patent jacinth]

Fgs doesn't beat power sword

Its good but its held up by the slash kinda

[plucky flax]

Fgs is safer than power sword. Don't have to use stam to do single target

[zealous wing]

if FGS is held up by the slash, power sword is held up by ITS charge

[rain wren]

Yes power sword is ineffective without charge

[indigo galleon]

How soon do I get some of these op weapons? Don’t like my starting weapons too much

[patent jacinth]

Too bad you just

[zealous wing]

FGS lvl 10

[rain wren]

But fgs is psyker

[patent jacinth]

Run power cycler and loop special light light light or special push attack light light

[zealous wing]

aim for unstable power as its blessing, thats the big one

[patent jacinth]

Idk I just run double crit

[wispy bay]

Keep playing. You are not really playing psyker until you hit at least level 27.

[patent jacinth]

40% crit off blessings is really funny

[plucky flax]

I got out melee damage by a p sword guy yesterday on bubble knight

Rare moment

[rain wren]

Lol

[patent jacinth]

Psword is just gross

Sunder is the blessing of all time

[plucky flax]

He was playing slaughterer

[rain wren]

Couldn't burn them fast enough?

[patent jacinth]

Cycler slaughterer

Damn

[plucky flax]

But thats just the melee damage portion. My range damage was way more from the slice

[patent jacinth]

Based

[indigo galleon]

😩

[patent jacinth]

Thats most classes more or less

[plucky flax]

He only did like 10k more melee damage than me. Purely melee damage

[rain wren]

What weapons you use with your shield?

[plucky flax]

Total damage mine was like 700k more

[patent jacinth]

You aren't anywhere near your full power budget until you have your keystone and bottom tree key blues

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight so fgs assails recon las

Its funny melee build

[wispy bay]

Vet and abry can run no keystone without much hassle.

Even orgryn

[rain wren]

It feels good being melee heavy with bubble?

[plucky flax]

Uuuhhh why no keystone on arby

Their keystone op

[patent jacinth]

You are just worse than a build with a keystone though

You can run it

But it will be worse than just

[plucky flax]

Yeah its amazing

Bubble knight is bliss

[patent jacinth]

Taking weapon spec for 1 point or taking EO or Forceful for a few points

[rain wren]

Eo is awesome

[patent jacinth]

Arby doesn't have much of value to take with your keystone money anyway

[plucky flax]

Too bad no one play it cos its a bit harder than braindead purg spam

[rain wren]

Um there is the monstrosities damage in eo too

If you want a good boss killer

[patent jacinth]

Its not typically worth it

[rain wren]

And then another monstrosities thing in middle area

[plucky flax]

Boss killer pog
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1456555041640157336/Desktop_2026.01.02_-_07.49.01.03.mp4?ex=695a1b97&is=6958ca17&hm=73757d19989cd48bab04b678cae8f6a68c069e0ac0f4be8c5244a8b7b7c97a5b&

[patent jacinth]

Just run mk7 exe or agri combat

[rain wren]

I'm just wondering if it is worth sacrificing scrier

[plucky flax]

Or course gaze gives more damage. But bubble with melee heavy playstyle enable you and team to do different things

Also the damage is still incredibly high with just dd

[patent jacinth]

Bubble provides relative immunity to position breakers

And tells burgles to fuck off forever

[rain wren]

Lol

Burgles don't like bubbles?

[zealous wing]

it doesnt let them vomit on anyone

[rain wren]

Ah ok

[zealous wing]

pop it on them burgles face and it cant eat anyone, basically

since you only get nommed if you get vomited on

[viscid matrix]

Bubble deletes projectiles inside the bubble, vomit is proj

[rain wren]

Ah they only target people in vomit?

[patent jacinth]

Vomit is a projectile so it gets destroyed

Yes

They have to direct hit you with it to swallow

[viscid matrix]

Only people that are vomit on, no issue walking on it, except it’s a bit of corruption

[zealous wing]

basically, if youre slowed down, youre prey

or, more accurately, a toy

[rain wren]

Ah never knew bubble did that not much use them

[plucky flax]

Most psykers run bubble in havoc

[viscid matrix]

It’s amazing if you have a purge psyker on team already

[plucky flax]

Actually ever since havoc release random psykers run bubble in auric too

[sullen mango]

It's also the oh fuck traper/sniper/havoc gunner button

[zealous wing]

i run bubble in auric if i need Bubbleknight practice

[sullen mango]

You can stop trapper nets mid air

[zealous wing]

or lesser if ive got newbies im looking to carry

[zealous wing]

you can also do this if you stagger her

force push works great if youre quick

[rain wren]

I will have to try it out. Is it fast cd?

[zealous wing]

can save a teammate that way

[sullen mango]

Well but then i need to know where she is

[zealous wing]

45s, lasts max 25s, min 6.6s

[sullen mango]

Absolutely not, but you end up skipping 60% of it

[zealous wing]

is ofc affected by CDR

[plucky flax]

If youre not playing havoc don't bother. Its not too good in auric and below

[patent jacinth]

Nothing in auric requires you use shield

[zealous wing]

nah its still a fucking GREAT "move your ass forward already" tool

[patent jacinth]

Theres just not enough ranged presence to require it

[plucky flax]

[patent jacinth]

Running forward is a great move your ass forward tool

[sullen mango]

It's great for making auric even more easy

[patent jacinth]

When they notice that suddenly things aren't dying they will try and catch up

[zealous wing]

for some reason people dont like following teammates, but they WILL follow the bulletproof bubble

its like a carrot on a stick for some people

its so fun to play such mind games, and they dont even know

silly blunts

[rain wren]

Oh yeah the move here marker feels like they take it as a suggestion

[zealous wing]

bubble is a much bigger "move here" marker, and its shiny

[rain wren]

Like the horde is not going to stop. They sit there continuing killing the never ending enemies

[wispy bay]

The vent purge sniper is the only time I bring dome psyker to auric.

If I play psyker that day.

[ornate abyss]

Is the psyker build bonanza up to date

[zealous wing]

yes

[ornate abyss]

I suppose the meta is inferno and voidblast?

[zealous wing]

a lot are havoc 40 viable, but yeah, inferno shriek and blazing trauma are the strongest / meta i believe

voidstrike is the only stave that really struggles in havoc

[summer prairie]

Depends on the team but I think surge surge and bubble knight are better than trauma builds and sometimes purg

[zealous wing]

yeah, but that REALLY depends

[indigo galleon]

Where do yall go for up to date builds?

[ornate abyss]

so shriek can be used over bubble? Thought bubble was auto include in Havocs

[zealous wing]

the build guide, and here

do not trust gameslantern builds in entirety

[wispy bay]

If there is final toll, then you can skip Vblast.

[zealous wing]

most of the random builds on GL are random bullshit

including the top psyker one there

[ornate abyss]

Do you guys prefer inferno shriek with or without empyric resolve

[indigo galleon]

Does flame staff melt through all content?

[zealous wing]

without

and no penetrating flames or penetration of the soul either!

[zealous wing]

it works better the higher the difficulty is

[wispy bay]

Yes, but melting... Depending on what the target is.

[deft stump]

Yes and no. Low diff they feel bleah cos nothing.

[indigo galleon]

How soon can I get that unlocked

[zealous wing]

the highest is havoc 40

so

wherever you are now

[indigo galleon]

I like max absolute difficulty

[indigo galleon]

Ohh I meant the weapon

[wispy bay]

Just go to the shop and it will show you the level.

[indigo galleon]

Ohh I’m off right now so didn’t know if you knew off the top of your head

[zealous wing]

oh the staff, is lvl 20 ish i think, but you definitely want higher than that for a full build

you tend to want it all together before you judge a staff

[rain wren]

I wouldn't mess with weapons till lvl 30 because you need mats

[zealous wing]

that too

[wispy bay]

You also need to unlock mastery

Without blessing, it is meh...

[rain wren]

Yeah weapons with poor blessings don't do much

The blessing and perks is what makes them

[indigo galleon]

Uhh😩 I don’t got all this time to grind lol. Wish I could just have it all tbh lol

[deft stump]

Unless dueling sword.

[wispy bay]

Just keep grinding to level 30 for now.

[rain wren]

Lol yes instant killer

[wispy bay]

Having it all but barely functional is not the same kind of experience that you are looking for.

[zealous wing]

get a lot of ordo and plasteel, you can then skip a lot of actual levelling by buying a bunch of that weapon, upgrade to green, then sacrifice

auric gives a very healthy amount of ordo

[rain wren]

But I believe they are fresh

[deft stump]

Ppl say not to complain about it, but I think they just want others to suffer.

[rain wren]

Fresh meat for the slaughter

[zealous wing]

if everyone got everything right out the gate, it WOULD give better judgement on weapons, however it would also completely remove something to do to actually learn the weapon and how it works

[wispy bay]

Even if you have the item, you are not going to do anything like on videos.

[indigo galleon]

I’ve been baited

[deft stump]

Why the joke about pointing at it. It's silly by itself, uncanny just multiplies it... the other is just taste.

[plucky flax]

Yeah cos you just kill stuff and no need for bubble. But the shriek guy needs to be quite aggressive

[deft stump]

Yes, but a weapon feels different at 0% finesse and 80%. Those with atk speed increases.

[zealous wing]

bubble is only autoinclude for people with serious cover-finding issues

[indigo galleon]

Huh if only I had an extra pocket dimension of time. My friend has been getting into the game and I don’t wanan grind another game. I love space marines two and don’t wanna grind another warhammer game lol

[zealous wing]

i didnt say differently

[rain wren]

It's a grind at the beginning

Each character needs lots of mats

[deft stump]

Is more, you can't learn it till maxed for some.

[indigo galleon]

Ohh god mats

[zealous wing]

i will say its not actually that huge of a grind, if you already know what weapons youre aiming for, you then take those to gather resources while playing the game, and get otherstuff done meanwhile

[indigo galleon]

Idk why but I thought of Warframe

[deft stump]

The feel is different.

[zealous wing]

what difficulty are you playing mostly atm?

[indigo galleon]

So even with the force sword on psyker, it’s not great until you get blessings for it?

[rain wren]

Yes

[indigo galleon]

Just the first one lol.

[zealous wing]

its still good, tbh

youll want blessings by heresy

before then its fine

[rain wren]

It still does decent damage till around heresy or damnation

It also depends on your player skills

[viscid matrix]

I really wish I could convince the devs to add Crush as an blitz instead of any of the current ones

[zealous wing]

dont you dare badmouth assail

[rain wren]

Brainburst

Crushes brains

[viscid matrix]

Yeh but actual crush is a full body, instead of just brain

It also exists in the lore

[ornate abyss]

Thoughts on this as the psyker curio guide? Why isn't like the 5% toughness more frequent and 3x ally speed is quite a lot?

[zealous wing]

does it really matter tho?

[rain wren]

You can use mats to change perks

[viscid matrix]

Not really, just want it

[deft stump]

He already did by putting it next to smite.

[zealous wing]

this is true, smite needs to go

[ornate abyss]

I just wonder why it is as it is

[zealous wing]

dont get hit

[rain wren]

The only one you want to worry about is primary

[viscid matrix]

Full toughness, 3xcooldown, 3x gunner, 3x corruption/revive/sniper of choice

[rain wren]

After you get the right primary you can do whatever you want with the rest

[viscid matrix]

Assail can die in a fire

[ornate abyss]

I just thought 5% toughness was a standard secondary node

[zealous wing]

surely

[rain wren]

Depends on your playstyle

[deft stump]

You can totally run 3x cdr 3x toughness 3x hp if you wanted. My more serious loadout runs cdr, toughness, stam regen lul.

[rain wren]

If you are great at dodge and block you can sacrifice for stam regen

[ornate abyss]

no gunner res?

[deft stump]

I play 300 ping.

[rain wren]

I would do at least 1 gunner resistance

[deft stump]

I live and die on lag alone.

If the game says I ate 100 shots in a tick, not even deflector KD saves me.

[rain wren]

2 is alright but 3 gunner resistance is not worth it

[zealous wing]

it is, but its also personal pref

[deft stump]

I also play with +9 stam, cdr, stam regen and block efficiency on a silly build.

[viscid matrix]

From what I’ve been told in havocs it is

#psyker-class message

[deft stump]

So, live and die on memes.

[rain wren]

Um if you eating that much bullets cover is your friend

Or slide to them and kill

[deft stump]

I get shot through doors and walls.

[rain wren]

Lol

[deft stump]

That's part and parcel of 300-400 ping.

[rain wren]

Lol I don't know how you do it

[deft stump]

Why I Eula stare anyone who complains about on overwatch

[rain wren]

I would given up on the game and call it non playable

[deft stump]

I do it on heresy with 300+ ping.

WDYM impossible?

[rain wren]

Lol

It would just not be fun

[deft stump]

Go cheese and shout DS4.

Before you ask, just going full commissar drip atm.

[rain wren]

Lol

Commissar is all about taking the bullet

[marble crater]

Karien, you Eula stare at everyone for any reason whatsoever

[rain wren]

Lol I'm using a rogue trader reference

[deft stump]

True. But usually when I judge someone.

[rain wren]

Commissar loves shooting their allies in rogue trader

[viscid matrix]

Isn’t that just in general?

[rain wren]

Lol true

You fuck up bullet to head. Job well done bullet to head

[deft stump]

Be good Commissar. Reward your men more, tell them if they survive it, they get better meals. Motivation 101.

[rain wren]

Does the meal consist of bullets?

A good diet of lead

[deft stump]

No. Actual food that's not starch. Questionably gotten in a way, but actual food.

[rain wren]

Corpse starch mmm

[deft stump]

But really, Yarrick's not bolter is back, the red hat it back.

[rain wren]

Oh nice

[deft stump]

Too bad the inquisitor coat looks better.

[rain wren]

Got to make the top brass look awesome

[sage pulsar]

hey so, this might be a massively nooby question but looking at the psyker build bonanza doc, why do the early level psyker builds use Assail and not the other two powers?

[plucky flax]

She only stares at noobs.

[wispy bay]

Because Assail is a stronger standalone weapon.

It kills what you want to kill quickly while still having cleave and doesn't have to be charged.

[rain wren]

I think if I remember right if you do hold down the charge it will aim more straightish

[acoustic jacinth]

Assail is the only blitz that can reliably, actively support you as a levelling psyker, a class that is fairly harsh at lower levels. It recharges quick, has decent damage, range and cleave.
Brain burst is very good but has specific uses you'll learn about later on, it is seldom used as an active tool. Smite is a blitz that is shrouded in shared hatred from most of the community due to its nature, i'm not going to tell you to not use it at all, do what you wish, but it will build bad habits for you this early on.

[marble crater]

Smite deals no damage and teaches bad habits while you are learning, brain burst is for sniping enemies and bad against hordes

even if smite did deal enough damage, it would still teach the bad habits and I don't think people should use it while leveling if they want to get better at the game

[deft stump]

True. Thus, Inquisitor Commissar go.

[deft stump]

WOT.

[sage pulsar]

What bad habits does smite teach? As I'll admit I was using that before going here. Mostly because of the novelty of shooting lightning.

[rain wren]

Smite does lot of freezing enemies in place making it easy

[acoustic jacinth]

Well, smite is what you'd call a passive CC tool. It completely prevents you from doing other actions, hence you cannot get in the fight to learn psyker or the game itself. If you want to think outside of yourself, CCing everything you se leads to a drop in team damage as well, as talents that work for ex. "On dodge" will not function anymore. Not to mention it can put the team in unfavourable positions and breaks the game pace

It's a great shame to turn yourself, as a psyker into a walking CC stick, when psyker is the monstrous dps class. There is more to explore

[rain wren]

You won't learn much when most enemies are just sitting there and everyone else just killing them

[marble crater]

Most importantly, imo, you won't learn melee, which is one of the most important things in the game

[sage pulsar]

Ah, i see yea that's fair. Sad to hear it's not the greatest because there is great novelty in some plain old lightning. Then again assail seems fun too.

But about assail, would it be used as my main source of killing enemies? Or is it something reserved for the tougher threats?

[rain wren]

Um use it on large groups

[sage pulsar]

Yea the melee seems pretty complicated. It's probably the first non-vr game I've had to consider the way my weapon swings

[rain wren]

Assail is good against anything but heavy armor

[acoustic jacinth]

As for lightning, don't worry electrokinetic staff exists, its v fun.
Assail you can use whenever you feel like, though it excels with enemy density due to its cleaving properties. So long as you're not pointing at carapace (enemies with very thick armour, remember the large guys with the rock-maces, the guys with the chainaxes's heads, and the iron armour ragers's bodies) simplest way i can put it

[rain wren]

Basically if you see anyone that looks like they belong in a medieval setting don't shoot

[sage pulsar]

I see, i think i get it then.

For now I'll probably try and work towards hexis' build that was mentioned in the pinned Google doc. I hope that's still up to date?

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh they all are, the guide is updated

[sage pulsar]

Awesome. Then one final question before i go for now. That build uses a recon las gun, and the blaze greatsword. I'm guessing the greatsword is for when the mob of enemies gets too close. What's the lasgun used for? Or just as substitute when assail is recharging?

[modest perch]

stuff thats too far to hit

[wispy bay]

That build has all 3 weapons working in conjunction to each other. You get buff by switching between them.

[plucky flax]

It's real.

[sage pulsar]

I see. Also would that build be able to swap to venting shriek, or does it rely on scriers gaze later on?

[deft stump]

WDYM?

[plucky flax]

[acoustic jacinth]

Assail becomes a little more passive by that point, and moreso used to buff damage overall. That is a gunker/meleeker (same thing tbh) build, where the force greatsword is used for caparace, boss fights, general horde, and the recon picks out specialists or shreds annoying elites like gunners. Most psyker start off with staffs, but this is an interesting way to begin your journey too

You need SG

[wispy bay]

Scrier is the core of that build. It gives you critical and damage.

[acoustic jacinth]

Gunker/meleeker do not do shriek so well

That is for later

Should you pick up staffs

[wispy bay]

Shriek is the straight nerf, you lose more than 50% of your power.