psyker-class

[viscid matrix]

We spend so much time immune to ranged, what else would we need?

[verbal thistle]

I don't notice a difference

[spice oar]

Yeah that’s what I thought, plus surviving a poxbomber feels good

[spice oar]

I’ll go for revive speed then like on my vet

[steel flame]

Id kill for burster damage resist, fuck those silent assholes

[verbal thistle]

hp does that in a sense

[spice oar]

Fuck ass ai director

[viscid matrix]

I usualy go toughness, corruption, revive speed

Nothing feels that impactful otherwise

[ripe obsidian]

this is the reason I use the Danger Zone mod

[spice oar]

That’s probably better than me doing ability regen, revive speed and sprint efficiency

I like to run okay

[ripe obsidian]

I do CDR + Gunner Resist + Toughness/Revive Speed

CDR means I do stuffs more often.

[viscid matrix]

Isn’t the cool-down like 2-3 seconds difference?

[verbal thistle]

depends on ability

it goes off max cooldown time

[ripe obsidian]

3x 4% CDR is 2.4 seconds or sumfin on Arby BtL. That's significant.

3.6 seconds off of Shriek

etc.

[spice oar]

Having shriek up more is always good

More psyker balls

[viscid matrix]

Yeh, but that’s like 1 extra shriek In a single mission

[mental rock]

Sprint eff is cringo

[ripe obsidian]

what

I use Shriek like 180+ times in a normal H40 mission

[viscid matrix]

Sorry on phone, I meant 10

[umbral sonnet]

Cheers

[ripe obsidian]

10 more is significant

[peak sundial]

sorry i had just started a mission :c

almost done :)

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh, even 1 shriek at a critical time is more impactful than most other curios imo

[viscid matrix]

Yeh, do you feel much difference against gunners with all 3?

[mental rock]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, absolutely

[viscid matrix]

I mostly play aurics, so I don’t notice it

[ripe obsidian]

3x gunner resist is like 195% effective toughness/hp against gunners

Survive twice as long

Here's the snippet from my guide:

Note: despite what you might have heard or read, 3x Gunner Resist does not have diminishing returns.

1x 20% resist = 125% effective HP versus gunners
2x 20% resist (36% resist) = 156.25% effective HP versus gunners
3x 20% resist (48.8% resist) = 195.3125% effective HP versus gunners

[viscid matrix]

What’s corruption resist like in havocs? Not worth?

[plucky flax]

Damn bruh another night waking up early cos I went to bed early

[steel flame]

Me too

[ripe obsidian]

It's a preference choice. Some folks quite like it, and it can help you survive overheads. Well, go down to overheads rather than die outright.

It's not something I use, but it's a solid choice.

My curios are 1x 21% HP to get me over 100 (survive 1 burster or 1 sniper), 2x 17% toughness b/c toughness is great. Then gunner resist because gunners and reapers are the enemies most likely to surprise me and drop me, CDR so I can be that much more aggressive, and revive speed because getting allies up faster is more likely to save a game than like 12 more total toughness

Sometimes revive speed is useless. Other times, it's the difference between getting someone up or getting tossed by a mutant

[tulip kettle]

yup i agree with this take, 1 x hp curio and 1 x corr resist just stops you getting insta deleted by most things

and revivie speed is the thing that 99% does nothing

but that 1% of the time its crucial

[tardy pumice]

#flayergang whos with me

[ripe obsidian]

Everyone

[tardy pumice]

✊

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flayer is a massive talent.

Ends up doing like 10-15% of my total damage since it got buffed.

[tulip kettle]

around 200k dmg in an average run

that is targeted on the most dangerous enemies

whats not to love

[peak sundial]

this is what seems to me like the obvious skeleton for trying to do BB memes
with 5 6 pts left over for other stuff: (ignore mettle as default, oops)
-# -Mettle + Perfect Timing (great if running any decent critrate weapon)
-# -Empathic Evasion (immunity to ranged via crits)
-# -Just a Dream and/or Immaterial Focus (JaD is strong but maybe dangerous, IF is weaker but safer)
-# -Solidity + Empyric Resolve (easier peril mgmt, but less toughness gen)
-# -Warp Ghost (safer in melee and offsets above pick for toughness)
-# -Psychic Leeching (huge teamwide toughness gen sounds funny idk lol)
-# -Anticipation (helps with slower melee weapons when kiting scary things)
-# -Warp Expenditure (nice toughness if running a hordeclear melee)
-# -Kinetic Deflection (wheee block forever)

[tulip kettle]

yes that works fine, though i think scriers is actully better

[zealous wing]

if for memes, yes, scriers, because also more damage, but also empyric resolve for peril generation decrease memes

[tulip kettle]

i understand the walls meme very well but you dont really lose anything b taking scriers and get an actually useful ability out of it

[zealous wing]

plus, warp unbound

[ripe obsidian]

If you're very good at the game, walls can do work.

If* being the operative word

[zealous wing]

10s of free BBs

[peak sundial]

walls felt like a meme until i walled a burster away from a teammate about to eat shit and felt like a Gamer

[tulip kettle]

you mean lucky and the game functions correctly

[peak sundial]

now i love walls

[tulip kettle]

walls are great until they randomly dont work

[zealous wing]

and itll go back to meme when you watch dogs run through it

[ripe obsidian]

Watching bruh moment go wild on melee wallker is always impressive

But he's the exception rather than the rule for sure

[peak sundial]

well, its also fun to wall bursters into teammates so i will keep running it

[tulip kettle]

yeah theyre funny and cool

[zealous wing]

well dom knows all about the burster part

very trigger happy with that trauma staff

[tulip kettle]

but when 1% of the time they just dont work like theyre supposed to and the dog just runs straight through it onto you

i am indeed

[peak sundial]

besides i already have infinite BB as long as i dont run out of gunners (this is not common)

[tulip kettle]

but the lesson to be learned is, dont go near the bursters >.>

im not exploding to that shit

[ripe obsidian]

When I play trauma, I just stop pressing buttons if I hear a burster

[tulip kettle]

i do the opposite

[zealous wing]

the issue is when they're already near me, who is fighting crushers, i go to push because i cant dodge, and suddenly im over somewhere else now

[tulip kettle]

i explode it before it gets near me

if youre near it, well

[peak sundial]

'as psyker, when i hear a burster, i explode before it gets near me'

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-farquaad-its-a-sacrifice-i-am-willing-to-make-its-a-sacrifice-but-its-a-sacrifice-i-am-willing-to-make-gif-2046508029570999696

[ripe obsidian]

I explode it (on my teammates) before it gets near, too!

:D

[zealous wing]

ye youre very untrusting of me pushing bursters

you explode me a fuckton tho

[tulip kettle]

i explode eveyrone

including myself

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-personal-kid-teleports-behind-you-megaman-battle-network-battle-network-megaman-exe-gif-25890807

[zealous wing]

ye but thats why i got a lil salty at the end there, you'd done it quite a few times and it does get frustrating lmao

[tulip kettle]

its just game theory

[zealous wing]

game theory is about working together to attain a goal

[tulip kettle]

know for certain that you will explode and i wont

or risk that we both explode

:)

[zealous wing]

or, trust ill push the burster

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-gif-11014214958949227158

[ripe obsidian]

nothing personnel kid*

[peak sundial]

how it feels to play knife zealot

[umbral sonnet]

@peak sundial How do you play it?

[peak sundial]

oh the uh, wall BB thing?

[zealous wing]

im starting the compilation folder

[tulip kettle]

okay i mean this just shows you running at a burster in a doorway where im clearly already blasting everything, and you cropped out me coming to rescue you immediately after >.>

[peak sundial]

generally ill have either hordeclear melee (lawnmower greatsword) and a random snipey ranged, or funny flame staff paired with force sword / similar

i use walls liberally to try and buy space to deal with specials (idk about you guys but for me it usually works!) or when i feel like sitting in one spot and exploding all the gunners on the other side of the room
even just popping up one wall with a few stacks of EP will let you zap a bunch of reasonably squishy elites in a row and stick soulblaze onto everyone around em

otherwise, can throw both walls down and sit behind your Big Blue Gamer Holoscreen taking bites out of bulwarks or monsters or something while pretending to be useful

[tulip kettle]

youre behind me like 0.2 seconds before, this doesnt really seem like my fault

[peak sundial]

generally my train of thought is something like 'oh we walked into a room and everything is fucking shooting us now, i'll throw down a wall' and seeing blue on their screen usually makes whatever randoms im dragging around stop and stand next to me for a few seconds :) friendship

also it really really is nice for preemptively denying poxbursters
i dont trust it 100% of the time especially on weird terrain, no, but i think of it as like, an extra layer of game mechanic that they would have to jank their way through to hurt me

[zealous wing]

dw the compilation will be fair

i just need to clip more often

make it a proper thing

i only have 5 or 6 clips total with us picking on each other

maybe some unedited thus far

[ripe obsidian]

If I pick on you, can I be in the compilation?

[zealous wing]

it would mean you consent to being picked on right back

[ripe obsidian]

You already pick on me. >:(

[zealous wing]

ingame

[tulip kettle]

SLANDER

[ripe obsidian]

::::((((

[zealous wing]

if you barrel me, i get to barrel you. if you burster me intentionally even ONCE, i get to burster you and the games begin

[tulip kettle]

darktide is a pvp game

[zealous wing]

also im looking at the wool colours i got from MIL and theres a perfect fleshy pink here for the burgle

like the mouth/tongue areas

pleasantly surprised, she usually gets me vibrant colours to work with

tis meant to be a burgle in the world

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gang-slug-flushed-away-gif-10056622939929507137

[vast slate]

knife or dueling sword?

[zealous wing]

for what specifically

[vast slate]

havoc 40

[tulip kettle]

but, for what

[zealous wing]

with what build

[tulip kettle]

do you just want mobility?

what ranged are you running

[vast slate]

purgatus shriek

[tulip kettle]

force sword

[zealous wing]

force sword

likely deimos for you

for most of us its deimos

[tulip kettle]

knife gives better mobility but worse DPS into armour. Duelling sword gets agile which can be extremely clutch in certain situation. neither are as safe as force pushing with deimos

[ripe obsidian]

Or head poking

[zealous wing]

also, uncanny stacking

[vast slate]

what is the uncanny strike synnergy with force swords

[tulip kettle]

HEXIS

POST THE CLIP

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-the-lever-wrong-lever-wrong-lever-kronk-pull-the-lever-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-gif-27333081

force push is a guaranteed headshot so stacks uncanny, has 9m range, and staggers crushers out of overhead. Its insanely safe and dramatically boosts the DPS of your blaze stacks into crushers

everything else just dies to the burning anyway so you dont care about it

[zealous wing]

well, it works on monsters too, but hopefully thats never necessary

[tulip kettle]

yes its also worth having unyielding on the sword and stabbing them to increase dps

[vast slate]

so uncanny deflector, +2 stamina, 25% unyielding?

[tulip kettle]

carapace unyielding

deflector is fine defensively, superiority gives even more dps

you never need stamina on weapons on psyker

you have access to + 1 stam from tree, warp ghost, and kinetic deflection, and insanely low regen delay

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Carapace + Maniac

[tulip kettle]

which is fine

[ripe obsidian]

Since I mostly use it to kill specials and crushers

[tulip kettle]

but you hit all the 1 shot breakpoints without maniac

and dont get the boss / bulwarks dps increases

its also less required if you run unyield on the purg

[ripe obsidian]

I don't always, no

I did some testing a bit ago

The +25% maniac matters for deimos, at least for my build.

[tulip kettle]

i mean you SHOULD with siphon stacks and rider

[ripe obsidian]

And I do run unyielding on inferno anyway

[tulip kettle]

but yeah you run unyield inferno instead of crit chance

notably not the mutie 1 shot on H2 though

[hearty wolf]

Either you crit or you don't

[tulip kettle]

but idc about that

welcome back Sin, home safe?

[hearty wolf]

Yuh just rolling around in the dark. Jet lagged I assume

[tulip kettle]

tidedrawls

[strong gulch]

Hi sin. Hope jet lag fecks off soon.

[zealous wing]

ignore me motherfucker wont sit still and i need a side profile saved

[hearty wolf]

Thankies

[tulip kettle]

look at its little wibbly wobbly underside

now i want burgle shoes

[modest perch]

a nice burgle skin purse for the missus

ok tho yknow whats fucked up ? since its a demon once it dies it just goes back to the warp

[potent echo]

How does the beast look like from underneath

[zealous wing]

cant help you there sorry

[modest perch]

so in order to have burgle leather clothing youd have to skin it n keep it alive in containment somewhere

[tulip kettle]

teefs

[tulip kettle]

i see this as multiple wins

[zealous wing]

potentially slippers would be a possibility, but, i lack the supplies and tactile experience to do such a thing, but theres an idea for you dom

[peak sundial]

it wasnt until i got the creature spawner m*d and started messing around with it that i even realized the beast of nurgle has eyes

[tulip kettle]

burgle moccasins

[modest perch]

i mean it would be a huge flex to have those kind of resources and also the authority to wear something so heinous without drawing the inquisitions ire

[modest perch]

realistically only a primarch could get away with it

[zealous wing]

i shouldve put out the lantern first but ye there you go

[zealous wing]

its from the lantern dom chill

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-rock-gif-23559354

[zealous wing]

lantern moved now

[modest perch]

i cant see your whole ui but i hate it

[zealous wing]

why

[tardy pumice]

what the

[modest perch]

[tulip kettle]

nothing wrong with putting key buffs next to the crosshair

[potent echo]

Mmm tooth shoes ..

[modest perch]

it clutter

[zealous wing]

it works nicely imo

[tardy pumice]

i do that too

[modest perch]

also do u ppl not just count down buff timers in ur heads ??

[tardy pumice]

truuueee

[zealous wing]

you think i got braincells for that

[potent echo]

How do you get the number? I have the weird diamond from crosshair hud

[tulip kettle]

which number

[potent echo]

Ability cooldown

[modest perch]

next thing ur gonna be telling me u dont count shots as ur firing in an fps

[tulip kettle]

thats warp unbound, ability timer comes from numeric ui

[tulip kettle]

now i know what youre thinking

[potent echo]

Oh

[tulip kettle]

was that 9 seconds of warp unbound, or 10?

you gotta ask yourself

do you feel lucky, punk?

[modest perch]

[zealous wing]

i will say dom, i just tested after the sound ends with WU, and i only explode when the timer goes away

even tho the sound ended

also i know you play with sound off 95% of the time so you for sure aren't hearing that shit

[strong gulch]

There audio and visual cues for when WU ends, but they are easily missed.

I have a vid somewhere.

Here #psyker-class message

[peak sundial]

Scrier's Gaze's base grace period still applies, providing another 1.5s of the same effect.

[potent echo]

Such a kind shark

[strong gulch]

Yes. 11.5s

[plucky flax]

Image posting not working on discord right?

[white sky]

Seems to

[strong gulch]

Images are working.

[livid steppe]

Does this affects the stagger of smite?

[plucky flax]

Bruh why can't I post.

[zealous wing]

its a weapon blessing, so, no, since you cant use smite while using a weapon

[livid steppe]

oh thought ranged meant all range 😔

[zealous wing]

no, blessings on weapons only apply to that weapon, and any active DoTs like soul blaze that you own

[ripe obsidian]

You are not a fancy enough lad

Pay 40,000 aquilas to become fancier

[plucky flax]

Its joeover

[dire flume]

guys can anyone make me a good psyker build

[zealous wing]

check the pins for a full guide with complete builds and templates

you can either copy and go, or read what the specifics are to get a better idea of how it works

[dire flume]

ahh ok where are the pins at?

[deft stump]

@paper dust

Yeah, sending images work.

[zealous wing]

https://tenor.com/view/check-pin-discord-check-pin-gif-1835998338632614419

[deft stump]

@paper dust

[hollow summit]

Is voidblast m2 good for cliffhanger

[zealous wing]

it can be, but seemingly only by accident

[hollow summit]

Imma run an underpowered one

And do espionage

[zealous wing]

you could also run shriek with no flames perhaps if you really dont want to run smite

[hollow summit]

Is smite good for this?

[zealous wing]

line up properly and shout them off the edge

yeah you can throw enemies around with it

[hollow summit]

Hummm

Will try it out later

[zealous wing]

grab them with the charged, look the way you want them thrown, then release before you hit 100

[hollow summit]

Before 100 peril?

Ok

[deft stump]

Don't even need to hold that long tbh. Just try it in psykhanium and you'll see.

[hollow summit]

Ok den

[zealous wing]

ye its just when you hit 100 they dont get thrown

hence, before then

[hollow summit]

I need a few accomplices

[zealous wing]

what region?

[hollow summit]

Asia

After work actually

On lunch break so im in discord

[dire flume]

kinda confused on the psyker bonanza thing

[zealous wing]

i've not been on any asian servers so not sure how well it would be ping-wise, but if im around give me a shout and im willing to attempt

[strong gulch]

Cliffhanger tips in pins.

[zealous wing]

ask away

[hollow summit]

Ye I saw, dont know how smite works lol

Need to test when im off work

[strong gulch]

There's a video on smite throw in those cliffhanger tips

[dire flume]

so i read it and im not sure like where the builds were

[zealous wing]

you didnt see the images?

[deft stump]

I forgot I just go EU. Lul.

[zealous wing]

valid tho

[dire flume]

ok now i see what you’re talking about my bad

[zealous wing]

nw

[hollow summit]

I watched it and it was... messy

Also probably contributed by a pox burster exploding in the horde...

[zealous wing]

lol

[deft stump]

Rmb, aim at horde, lmb, aim to where you want to flick, unlmb.

[hollow summit]

Noting

[strong gulch]

If you do the throw correctly, you won't be smiting long enough to ignite a burster.

[hollow summit]

I mean the pox burster was targeting the ogryn player hanging off the ledge with his taunt up

[strong gulch]

Idk what is messy about this video. #psyker-class message

Please let me know.

[hollow summit]

#psyker-class message

?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1343006975574937644/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.02.22_-_16.48.24.02-00.02.14.993-00.03.38.500.mp4?ex=69546536&is=695313b6&hm=11bf08b2284b92f7e709aaf0be57e496bc8ab00372fc92624ee025817dc9ea30&

[strong gulch]

That's the second vid. When you mentioned messy there was different verbiage relating to that map and smite for cliffhanger.

I changed it after you mentioned "messy" because I thought it would a different vid. Lol.

Anyways, we are both silly because before that was the correct section.

There is a dedicated vid before mercantile is mentioned.

[hollow summit]

Derp

[strong gulch]

If you're on phone, it can be disorienting af to navigate discord.

[hollow summit]

Ye

[wispy bay]

Just heavy push with force swords

[zealous wing]

7 times in less than 2 seconds?

[wispy bay]

I did it with force swords more than once.

[zealous wing]

how would you know if you already got the penance

[wispy bay]

Because environmental kill is fun.

[zealous wing]

yes but can you shove 7 things off at once?

[wispy bay]

I know because I spartaned a lot of enemies.

[zealous wing]

or is it 10

[wispy bay]

7

There are many places that you can do, too.

[strong gulch]

Most people whom I've taken to go get cliffhanger have struggled with force melee push, shriek, or trauma and have had more success with smite.

Considering that, I rec smite for cliffhanger.

[zealous wing]

i wanna see how you use a singletarget push 7 times in less than 2 seconds

[wispy bay]

More than half of maps have at least a spot to do it reliably.

[strong gulch]

the push isn't

[zealous wing]

he said heavy push, is that not the push attack?

because otherwise it would just be "push"

[wispy bay]

Force sword heavy push, yes.

[zealous wing]

push attack can only trigger every second

[wispy bay]

You can pick a map and I can show you a spot to do it easily with force push.

[zealous wing]

you could swap cancel the end but even then its 3 in 2s

you said heavy push

[wispy bay]

Force push and heavy push on the force sword is the same thing, no?

[zealous wing]

is it a push or a push attack is the question i suppose

are you tapping or holding

[wispy bay]

holding

[zealous wing]

push attack

single target

[wispy bay]

I don't know, I done it with that.

I was alone at the spot, too.

[strong gulch]

force melee push attack

[plucky flax]

Bruh moment

[zealous wing]

i am so curious what about the leaving players is even causing that crash

[dull scroll]

Rance in the background

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in8k-caight-in8k-memee-caught-in8k-samham-samham-caught-in4k-gif-24826364

[plucky flax]

Real

[dull scroll]

it's k, these plebs don't know what that franchise is, your secret is safe with me 😏

[deft stump]

I know cos ManlyBadassHero uhh... yeah.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

He cosplayed as the main char so...

[paper dust]

Heheeh

Goblin

[deft stump]

Also, I wonder if it's leaving while in specific animations. I know the game's jank enough it can crash if something isn't played or played right.

[deft stump]

Floofy goober, yes.

[paper dust]

Yat

Back to sleep

LOOK MAN

I am eepy

[steel flame]

Zazy is still sad that a staff bonk build isn't viable, and the only reason it's not viable is that fat shark fucking sucks and it's animations desync instantly after a single loop

Like seriously fat shark? ITS ONLY 2 DIFFERENT HEAVY ATTACKS HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP

[tulip kettle]

yes, this is the only reason, and certainly not the damage

[steel flame]

Nothin a little charged can't fix

[cosmic cobalt]

back when charged strike as broken as fuck

[hollow summit]

ok i need to do achievements, gonna ask here first then ask in lfg

wanna just do cliffhanger

[cosmic cobalt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1424791380911194253/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-10-06_11-11-51_PM.mp4?ex=6954a2a0&is=69535120&hm=b03b1bdef67c88507a52cd78902b55c0d951ec5a5ee9eb4d77fba313cc33c6d0&

[dapper river]

Quick question regarding the Inferno staff:
Does the cloud radius affect both primary action and secondary action and improve their ranges respectively?

[marble crater]

Yes, it's probably the second most important stat after burn

[dapper river]

Alright, thanks

[hollow summit]

ah fucking hell

instantly chemgrenade

[restive nebula]

Does Malefic Momentum work with kinetic Flayer?

[deft stump]

Is even worse than flame grenades lul.

[hollow summit]

im trying to do fucking cliffhanger

[deft stump]

Might wanna just jump on a deader server you don't insta DC from.

[hollow summit]

who said anything about dc

[deft stump]

Deader servers means 3 bots.

[hollow summit]

3 bots cant even deal with 2 maulers

sigh

[deft stump]

I know, why do you think I call playing on local (closest) server basically soloing?

[hollow summit]

did you even say that

[deft stump]

I usually complain about it when not wanting to deal with lag.

I forgot you aren't around here that long.

3 ping to 300+ ping is massive.

[marble crater]

*When you don't want to carry

[deft stump]

I don't carry.

[marble crater]

[hollow summit]

welp that's a shitty failed attempt

i hate this region

[deft stump]

Is true. Ask others for carry. I just throw 'frags and panic.

[marble crater]

I don't ask anyone for carry, I am a good player

[hollow summit]

i dont need a carry i need someone to not be dead weight and not obstruct me from doing my achievement

[peak sundial]

oh shit yknow ive never thought about this!
i dont see why it wouldn't.

[plucky flax]

Lie

[deft stump]

You lie.

[plucky flax]

Nein

[hollow summit]

frustrate

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[sour oriole]

Any example Psyker Builds or Guides anyone has got?

[zinc phoenix]

People who don’t check the pins be like 👆

[sour oriole]

Despite how it's said, I appreciate it

[pine elk]

Is going top-heavy on melee/crit psyker worth it?

As in,

[summer prairie]

you are a crit psyker but didn't take the crit talents

at least take perfect timing, and drop battle meditation. Other than that hard to say without seeing the rest of the tree

[tulip kettle]

i also think not taking assail on a melee psyker is a big mistake

ease of proccing MM is important

[west spire]

That would need peril to function right?

I ask cause im shit at peril management

[tulip kettle]

well, yeah, but not really

and not engaging with malefic momentum or warp rider or unstable power is losing so, so, so much damage

[west spire]

Was asking out of general curiosity. Have a build that doesnt use assail and has little peril generation cause I hardly use gaze

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats fair enough, but a huge part of psykers damage comes from synergies with being at high peril

and for melee/gunker specifically malefic momentum is also huge

and requires warp attacks

[west spire]

Ah, I dont play it enough. I appreciate the info though

I played it enough to finish pens, now i give fuck all about it. Trash at it anyway.

[tulip kettle]

playing melee psyker with assail and a gun is very much like playing wep specialist vet

[pine elk]

it depends? I find brain rupture to be a better choice

but i can see the appeal of assail if you're using something like the purgatus staff

[deft stump]

Wot.

[patent steeple]

you can run a low-ammo capacity gun like Bolt Pistol for sniping specials on melee psyker, while using assail for most other things that need range.

[deft stump]

I already explained to him on it. He rather not deal with peril barring emergency block pickups and as a barrier for damage.

[pine elk]

I mean, when I used assail i used it to deal with shooters, while force sword was for melee elites and purgatus was for hordeclear.

Probably not optimized but it worked

[deft stump]

You have 20 m or so flame burst that surpresses everything human sized and reapers.

[cosmic cobalt]

why are so many psyker nowaday so bad with shield placement wtf

[patent steeple]

give us an example.

[pine elk]

never speaking in regards to how i play psyker again

[alpine nova]

Sorry I'm new. Is melee psyker a thing? I really enjoy using relic sword on it

[pine elk]

It definitely is

[cosmic cobalt]

example including being extremely passive of shield placement so havoc pacing become ultra fucked

[alpine nova]

Oooo. I guess I'll keep leveling and figure things out once I'm done. Still at 15

[deft stump]

Cos most ppl likely only play easier diffs and you can literally drop bubble anywhere in those?

Unless Burgle, then always infront or on it.

[tulip kettle]

i think its just

why on earth would you run inferno staff on melee psyker

and how are you going to kill 5 enemies with brainburst in 8 seconds, every 8 seconds

[plucky flax]

Crit psyker no perfect timing bruh moment

[tulip kettle]

if you are running inferno and BB, thats not a melee build. its an inferno build

[pine elk]

i have reworked the thing i use slightly

[plucky flax]

Sry was me on bubble knight

Only died like 3 times on my last round

[tulip kettle]

and i think if you dont understand what you are trying to achieve with assail and an FGS with malefic momentum, you will struggle with horde clear. Its just a misunderstanding of what melee psyker actually is and how to play it. Nothing wrong with building what you want but its just, not a melee psyker if you are running inferno and using it for horde clear

[cosmic cobalt]

just played with a twin stubber ogryn in h40

😭

this shit so ass

[pine elk]

as it turns out i find voidstrike to be more fun and useful to use with blaze greatsword

[tulip kettle]

yes voidstrike works with FGS

and plays the same as running something like a revolver

but then again BB is redundant and you would get more value from assail

[plucky flax]

Wait dom struggle with horde clear on fgs assails?

[tulip kettle]

no

[plucky flax]

Oh if he doesn't understand.

[tulip kettle]

no bully me :(

im sensitive

[plucky flax]

Smash left click until bar get high then use special

[tulip kettle]

factual and based

[pine elk]

personally i think FGS already has okay horde clear if you take the node that gives you scaling cleave with peril

[tulip kettle]

throw a few assails for juicy 25% dmg buff

yes but malefic momentum is 25% dmg boost.

and ofc you take warp splitting

[pine elk]

my build is stuck somewhere between high peril, melee and crit (though i suppose those things can go together well if someone less stupid than me ran it)

[tulip kettle]

....

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[pine elk]

should i just stop playing psyker entirely 😭

[sour oriole]

Yes, play Veteran

[pine elk]

i feel like im more of a burden to my team than if im playing invincible arbites

[tulip kettle]

arb is very invincible

[sour oriole]

Unironically tho, someone pointed out this pinned build post to me earlier

[tulip kettle]

but not even close to the damage output of psyker

[sour oriole]

I would check this out and see if you can find the closest thing to your build and fix it

[tulip kettle]

play scum if you want to be invincible and have dmg output

[sour oriole]

By tweaking masteries, learning best talents for weapons

[pine elk]

im just an arbichud really

[deft stump]

BB is more if you run some quick fire gun or autoclicker laspistol.

As side arm.

[radiant frigate]

KF reconlas for the funni

[deft stump]

That falls under quick fire gun.

[tulip kettle]

thats even worse

if you run reconlas with BB KF

you are getting 0 value out of MM

which is just losing 25% DMG

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight ratting around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUl6BTUClW8

[zinc phoenix]

Bubble rat I choose you!

[thorn cedar]

yaaay kitty is eating and using da new litter

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/rugby-yay-gif-3156747878755757137

[deft stump]

TAX.

PET TAX NAO.

[thorn cedar]

Once I'm done shoveling lol

She's got the house to herself right now to explore.

[deft stump]

Oh. Still.

[thorn cedar]

Friend has a doggo and he's quite noisy. Faye is not a fan of the barks.

So she spent most of yesterday in the one room, occasionally poking her head out but going back in once the dog would bark excitedtly lol

Hopefully they'll get used to each other.

Beeeg space

[spice oar]

Poor wee guy

[weary crane]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-penis-mr-penis-cat-gif-6866592718592461157

[thorn cedar]

standard issue catto

[thorn cedar]

besides she's a ms. penis

[spare comet]

I no longer hate this class (I found the Mk VIII force greatsword)

[tulip kettle]

MK6 superiority

[spare comet]

TOO MUCH WORK

[tulip kettle]

wuhh?

[ripe obsidian]

I am summoned.

[plucky flax]

Dayum she thiicc

[plucky flax]

Use mk6 its better

[spare comet]

too complex

if i cant brainrot my way to victory then why bother yknow

[plucky flax]

You can light spam for horde clear and heavy spam for single target too

[tulip kettle]

mk6 less complex and better

[plucky flax]

Just worse horde clear

But way better single target

[spare comet]

Excellent

I will use it

[plucky flax]

It can have good horde clear but since you want simple

Id do 3x light and block cancel tho

Its not hard

[ripe obsidian]

It's so hard

[plucky flax]

Tru

[ripe obsidian]

You expect me to be able to count to 3. That's a lot of effort! I can't count on my fingers when I'm using them to play the game!

[spare comet]

BLOCK CANCEL?

[spare comet]

No that's so real

i use shivs and duelling sword and rashad do you expect me to think

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly. Using Obscurus short-circuits my brain. It's not just LMB spam.

[steel flame]

remember when obscurus was our only sword and Bloodthirsty auto crits lasted 5 seconds after a special attack kill but the sword just sucked so much that that was somehow balanced and still bad

[strong gulch]

Then they released blazinging spirit on it and changed how bloodthirdty works.

I'M STILL UPSET.

[ivory monolith]

is roles even means anything

i got

[marble crater]

Red role matters for permissions, rest is just for getting tagged or seeing channels, I think

[ivory monolith]

i wounder were are they come from

i never set it

[marble crater]

Maybe picked them when first joining the server

[ivory monolith]

🤔

[radiant frigate]

ez just run illisi and kill with special

[hexed pelican]

Hey guys, could you give me some tips on building my character? 🙂

[tulip kettle]

comprehensive build guide in the pins, including a build recommended for newer players using assail

[zealous wing]

actually i would say no, it doesnt actually matter what kind of gun you run, KF is going to proc every 12s, not faster, so if you fire 1 round a second or 50, theres no actual difference

run it with a bolt pistol, or a reconlas, result in terms of blitz dmg is the same

but yeah also as dom said, malefic momentum is nonexistent

even smites charged strikes would give more MM stacks than BB would

[deft stump]

Is a sidearm. You would path the melee atk speed node and cleave node. Is just, bistol has to be more targeted use due to ammo limits.

[zealous wing]

BB on melee/gun psyker is genuinely wasted potential

[deft stump]

Depends on the player. If you can barely deal with peril, it might be the best to avoid it. Plus, if they have fun that way, not really an issue.

[zealous wing]

doesnt change that its wasted potential, imo

not saying people cant run it

same thing if they use smite instead of assail, from my testing in live games, in various difficulties, every time ive had to stagger something like a rager or trapper with smite, "assail would have done this better, for longer, and actually do damage"

[steel flame]

Well it already had blazing spirit (from launch) but the attack pattern sucked so bad it didn't matter cause you could never hit enough targets per swing to make it worth using. They changed blood thirsty right before illi and diemos were released if I remember.

[zealous wing]

a smite flick staggers a single rager for just long enough to actually pull your sword back out, assail you throw and switch before it even hits your target

[strong gulch]

OH RIGHT. It was right before Illisi.

[modest perch]

so ur saying smite needs a buff ?

[steel flame]

Yeah right before we got a sword that dam blessing would actually be good on

[zealous wing]

im saying it cant function the way assail does, and trying has made me understand even more just how ineffective it is at what its supposedly for. so it cant even be buffed, it needs to be different

i tried it on melee, i tried it on rending trauma also, rending trauma seemed to give it the most potential, but ONLY for throwing enemies into a pile to then blast. also gave voidstrike a chance with it to try lining up enemies for more in a single shot to be killed, but, everything smite does, it does slower than anything else in psykers kit

and, back to rending trauma, it was also unnecessary because with that peril and time, i could have just fired another charged attack))

then theres also the absolute unreliablility with it if you have teammates

[steel flame]

Less of a buff more of a rework. (Kinda) If they buff the numbers it will just turn the game off, but as it is, all the small stuff drags it down: its got piss poor enemy targeting paired with inconsistent stuns and rather shallow target limit hold it back from doing its job in anything but "sit there and hold smite button because if you don't you will each shit" builds. Try to use it support another build instead and you'll spend your whole mission wishing you had assail or bb instead

[zealous wing]

ninja got overheaded by a crusher that was supposed to be locked down

[steel flame]

It's got so much visual pollution that you can't tell it's not doing its job on something it should till you eat dirt too

[zealous wing]

i know why it happened, the bulwark in the middle got KF'd, which caused smite to recalibrate, which unstuns ogryns, but that means if you want to actually hold anything still for a res, no one can kill what you're holding unless they have room to dodge

so the ONE thing smite does, hold things still for teammates to kill, is unreliable

[steel flame]

I think smite should take a page from Star wars and push stuff backwards that it's stunning

[zealous wing]

it does that when you let go like youre supposed to

[steel flame]

Then it could serve as a space maker

[zealous wing]

but only on trash and certain elites/specials

and again, its been easier to just, kill things

or, assail wouldve filled that job better as well, because they'd be dead

i'd gone entire aurics without activating smite at all because it was just, unneeded

but, assail gives me MM stacks, and free ranged kills

but i ran, idk, 20 missions? with smite, so i could actually learn properly how it works, and, i can just not understand the appeal of it, at all

i think the only actual good thing it did was lock down a crusher patrol for ninja to fire a rocket at, because i was able to get them before they spread out, but, he was gonna rocket them anyway, i was gonna stab them anyway, i was just trying to see what smite was working like in such a situation

[steel flame]

I find that unless I'm using a build with the express purpose to spam smite, I never use smite.

If I wanna spam knockback I use fire staff not smite

[zealous wing]

ive also encountered tons of people at this point who say they wont spam smite, say they know how to dodge and move, i warn them that everyone in the past who said that has died a horrible death, and they do it anyway, then they spam, then they get murdered over and over

last one stopped spamming it at the very end areas, and surprise, he stopped dying as much

[pine elk]

question:
Can Voidstrike/Voidblast be good with MM? As far as I know, both of them trigger the warp-based attack condition (and thus give you up to 25% damage boost for 8 seconds), but I think Voidstrike has more utility in this regard (the m2 specifically).

[steel flame]

Mm?

[zealous wing]

they can if you switch to melee a lot

[pine elk]

malefic momentum

[pine elk]

yeah I do, the build is force greatsword

or at least built around it, worded that weird

[zealous wing]

voidstrike would replace a gun, trauma less so, but they would work

[steel flame]

At that point you just trigger mm with warp slice and melee

[zealous wing]

inferno would be the only staff that wouldnt really work on its own, but the soul blaze would (dont recommend it though)

[zealous wing]

not really

[pine elk]

warpslice doesn't really cut it since you need to build it up first

[zealous wing]

you'd have to be really on top of spamming warp slash

[pine elk]

it doesn't seem as consistent as using a staff

[zealous wing]

assail is

[steel flame]

In gs build I run I have 98% uptime on both halves of malefic, it's very funny

[pine elk]

or blitz

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is more consistent than a staff for MM in my experience

[ripe obsidian]

I like using Voidstrike in meleeker builds in Auric

So it can work

[steel flame]

Assail is super easy to weave between attacks, can stack multiple stacks in a single throw while not impeding your ranged or melee half

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't tried in Havoc. I use EK or Assail for meleeker in H40

[ripe obsidian]

Aye. It's very good.

[pine elk]

I'm aware, but the current build I'm using has Brain Rupture and Kinetic Flayer for extra melee damage

[ripe obsidian]

I use EK for that.

[pine elk]

Fair.

[steel flame]

I'm pretty sure warp fire triggers malefic too right?

[ripe obsidian]

It does

[pine elk]

yep

[ripe obsidian]

I don't use soulblaze on most melee builds

[pine elk]

I only use Soulblaze to squeeze extra damage, but otherwise it is somewhat useless

[ripe obsidian]

LMB EK is, at this moment, my preferred SG meleeker sidearm.

Very accurate for sniping specials, easy to have like 80% crit chance for surge

[steel flame]

I miss quell canceling

Dam macro Karens ruined everything

[night marten]

turns out the one thing that I might like to get from the shop isn't available anymore, why do they not want my money

[deft stump]

It's awkward but can be enough if you get enough stacks. Also no -peril gen so purga hits 90% quickly.

[steel flame]

If nothing else MM is just kinda good to have on most builds, it's free damage for a bit on swap even if you aren't swapping often

Channeled force and mind in motion kinda cringe

[tulip kettle]

the humble souldrinker

[pine elk]

i love souldrinker!!! yumyum

[steel flame]

At least soul drinker doesn't give me chores to do before it does anything xP

[steel flame]

Oh nearly forgor, charged strikes triggers warp half of malefic now. It's the most consistent way to keep both halved capped, downside being you have to spec into smite (to not use smite) to get it

It used to be a bog standard copy paste of stun mace dot and triggered physical mm for the longest time

[keen river]

where can i do cliffhanger solo?

[steel flame]

Find a box that walkers trip over or a ledge they fall down from and stand there killing them with your melee

[spice oar]

Hab dreyko end event worked for me , with the slim bridges that get blown up by mazozi

[steel flame]

The entire penance is a lie

[keen river]

I mean i still don't know where i'd find a spot like that

usually enemies are slow to funnel out of places like that so im not sure where one that would be that is

[steel flame]

Fatshark can't code so they made the penance simply check that you killed enemies while they are in a falling state

[keen river]

I mean i have a spot but it would of relied on enemies being able to be pushed off of climbing a ledge

and also the bots not killing everything

[steel flame]

The spot I find the best is the munitorum mission where you get ammo from the trains. The drop down right after the mid event is where I got it

[keen river]

Also I'd try pushing enemies off stuff but its proven to me pushing enemies 1 foot with a 25 second cooldown ability kind of ruins that

[steel flame]

But the best legit place is on the escape from hab dreyko, the long curved climb up to the ship has a section without railing and enemies cut the corner to try and get to you so you can just push them off with your melee push

It doesn't need to be your ult

Like I said, whole penance is a lie

[keen river]

yeah even the best legit place might be annoying cause again pushing enemies 1 foot is really annoying

is that one mission rolling steel or the ones after?

or is that consignment yard or something?

[dapper river]

If the enemies have to be in a falling state, would it count if you smite 7+ enemies release and resmite and kill them with the second smite (resmite while they are falling)?

[steel flame]

It doesn't need your ult at all. You simply have to kill enemies that are falling

[keen river]

i know but melee doesn't do any better does it?

[steel flame]

Just sit on a corner with no railing and spam push

[keen river]

right but what was the other option?

the train mission?

Chasm Logistratum?

oh and the other issue is the method has to have good enemy spawns or i'd be waiting for idk how long hordes take

I've already spent like 30 minutes on one mission with no hordes spawning

[steel flame]

Yeah, usually why hab dreyko is the best

Escape at the end spawns unlimited enemies

[keen river]

would difficulty 2 work?

[steel flame]

O o and the end of the power grid mission. You get unlimited enemies falling down a ledge at the end as you go to the valk. You can sit there and melee them as they fall till you get it

[keen river]

cause i will have bots and they will also kill things

[steel flame]

Did they make it custom lobby only?

[keen river]

no but if i do it in a normal lobby i'd probably be holding people up

[steel flame]

Eh, just tell em, dreykos spot is right at the end anyway, won't cost anyone a win, also wont take long on auric to get enough

[keen river]

so i'd need to do it on auric?

man this is like too much for just a green item

[pine elk]

Cliffhanger is kill how many enemies while they're climbing?

You can just get it by playing the game normally, though it does take a while like that.

[deft stump]

7 while they are falling in like a few secs.

[keen river]

If it was climbing it would be just fine

[wary flax]

I use charged strike with tactical axe.

Push attacks on taxe are considered heavy attacks and will electrocute enemies.

[steel flame]

Noice,

Parry strike on devil sword is also a heavy

Huh, I wonder if force push attack on swords triggers it too

[livid steppe]

where can I see the psyker melee combos?

[wary flax]

You can open the attack breakdown screen if you inspect a weapon.

[wary flax]

I haven't tried all weapons (don't have chain weapons on psyker) but so far only taxe and combat knife seem to trigger charged strike on push attacks.

[steel flame]

It's a shame not every special attack triggers it

Staff can, but not any of the gun bonks

[keen river]

does heavy weapons push enemies harder?

[pliant sage]

Is it just me or does like, Assail seem kinda, just.. there compared to the other psyker blitzes?

[steel flame]

Oh Lord here it comes

[knotty saddle]

anyone have a blaze greatsword build

[pliant sage]

I have just been playing psyker again and the others just seem better is all

[steel flame]

I do but it's weird and been known to make chat have an aneurysm, want it?

[knotty saddle]

uhh

I just found the builds in pins

ill try that first

[wary flax]

Assail is nice for throwing at specials.

[steel flame]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/zazys-blazing-spirit-greatsword-unga-bunga-experience?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[knotty saddle]

woah

is it normal to not have a keystone

[steel flame]

Builds pop up time to time. Vet usually

[keen river]

okay so does just smite on enemies randomly give you cliffhanger?

[visual flower]

do you guys recommend this class for beginners

[keen river]

With it being one of the more fragile classes early on probably not

[steel flame]

Mmmmmmmmm maybe. If you like multi tasking it will keep your brain occupied, weaponized ADHD if you will

If you learn to master psyker first, everything else feels very easy

[visual flower]

what would you recommend then because i really wanna get into this game full time i just thought the space wizard looked cool lol

[steel flame]

You will learn to dodge really really good as psyker

Magic powers are also a plus once you get peril management down pat

But it can feel like it's made of glass for awhile till you get a hang of dodging and blocking

[visual flower]

i can understand that

[zinc phoenix]

You will lose all ability to dodge guns

[steel flame]

Emperor bless empathic evasion

[wary flax]

Just play whatever you want, really, if you find a class too difficult you can always create a character of a different class and come back once you feel ready for it.

[visual flower]

ill do just that

thanks for the help guys!!

[steel flame]

Sadly I can't speak on how leveling psykers in now now times feels. He was my first class and I leveled him way back back when we still had vermintide skill trees

[visual flower]

i think i may try the zealot or ogryn to see if theyre any fun

[wary flax]

Hive Scum was pretty hard to level up, mostly because 4 people all playing scum and not really knowing how to properly play the class yet leads to a lot of failed missions.

[steel flame]

If you do decide to level psyker, stick with guns and scriers till you hit 30, staves have really steep scaling so they feel like crap with double digit power

[visual flower]

My mind is telling me just play it safe and do zealot or Ogryn but my heart is saying space wizard 😪

I’ll just do psyker and learn the hard way lol

[wary flax]

Probably the 2 most beginner friendly classes...tho Ogryn is pretty different to human classes. A lot tankier but also much less nimble. Also human classes share a lot of weapons so you can gain mastery for multiple classes at the same time, but all ogryn weapons are ogryn exclusive.

[steel flame]

Laspistol is stupid strong too so you start out leveling one of psykers best weapons from word go

The nice thing now about leveling is weapon mastery and money carry between characters so you level one, start another class, buy them one of the shared weapons and max that out right away to make leveling alot faster

[wary flax]

Feels kinda weird that I almost never use staves on psyker.

I have a fire staff build but I just prefer to play melee.

[steel flame]

If I use staves I use fire trauma

I love fire staff but it's too mainstream and I prefer using weird stuff

[wary flax]

Fire staff is kinda stupid when you have a full build going.

But like, Disrupt Destiny + Scrier's Gaze with melee is also kinda stupid.

[steel flame]

So much overkill

I love it

[wary flax]

Really sends a message to Nurgle when he sees the massively overkilled souls of his followers in the warp.

[steel flame]

I also like to branch out, like the above fire great sword build started on the premise that I wanted a melee only build that did more range damage than melee without using a ranged weapon

[zealous wing]

blazing trauma is far from weird

[steel flame]

It used to be. I've been a proponent of it since before the skill trees, been told it's 'bad' "just use rending" for 3 years. Only recently have people suddenly decided that "Oh, it's good now"

Still weird enough for me to use it though, rarely ever see it

But then again that was also a time when we had to gamba and blazing spirit was one of the rarest to get

[thorn cedar]

i do not understand

my buddy's microphone set-up lmao

this makes no sense, i think im missing a goat sacrifice

[verbal thistle]

we cant hear you

I see it pop up

[thorn cedar]

i cant get the headphones AND the mic to work, only one or the other

and the mic only actually works sometimes

ah well one more thing to get from home another time

[steel flame]

The beginning of my fire trauma obsession

[wary flax]

Stacking tons of DR on psyker is kinda funny, I got hit with a crusher overhead and somehow lived.

I mean, it took all my toughness and left me with exactly 5 HP, but I lived.

[modest perch]

lol based

[steel flame]

My god, I found my first fire trauma skill tree

[modest perch]

back when nuncio gave 70% dr i saw a psyker eat a crusher overhead in a 40 without it breaking toughness

[modest perch]

dude this is like a relic from the dark ages

[steel flame]

Yeah I've had that happen with my gs build. Between Dr and just a dream Only lost 3/4 to crusher overhead, only 1/2 from a mauler

[steel flame]

Wish it worked like that in havoc, you still just die xP

[wary flax]

Should've used uncanny strike on my sword, would killed all crushers before they could slam me, but it is what it is.

[quartz barn]

this is somewhat common tho

if you dont visibly get hit by the swing but you never broke the tracking it will do some of the dmg but not the full 100%

[zealous wing]

your first issue was thinking illisi was gonna take out those crushers in a reasonable time frame

[thorn cedar]

😠

sigh i am at my wits end lmao

[steel flame]

......ok?

[wary flax]

Just didn't have uncanny strike on it, it would've done better with it.

[weary crane]

Nah that's the new one, in the old old one, soulblaze was called agony

[steel flame]

If only illi didn't bounce off anything harder than cardboard

[steel flame]

Too tired to parse of this is joke or factual

[weary crane]

Genuinely real

The good times, when smite didn't exist

I also think voidstrike was the best staff

[ripe obsidian]

But it did exist!

Brain burst is called smite in the code.

Smite is called, like, protectorate or something weird

[weary crane]

Psyker in h40 when a groaner hits them

[weary crane]

Is assail called bane of arthropods

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's called psyker_throwing_knives

Would have to check

[strong gulch]

I had a similar problem when I has mic and headphones integrated in one device with bluetooth. IDK if that is the same thing happening for you.

The bluetooth was just over whelmed and my PC categorized discord VC as a phone call. So audio was reduced quality and other audio muted.

I ultimately needed to get a separate mic.

[wary flax]

Pretty sure I just played with someone pretending to be Mister E.

[strong gulch]

ew

[thorn cedar]

yep thats exactly it

ill just get my own mic back from home tomorrow instead of fucking with all my settings

[zealous wing]

30 minute auric mortis trial on 350 ping (they hosted in asia by accident), not too shabby

never underestimate an instakill boon

100k for an inferno psyker is wack for single hit

[wary flax]

I tried to actually use smite once during last mission and instantly got downed.

I'll stick to only using it for charged strikes and forget I have a blitz.

[zealous wing]

charged strikes genuinely does so little

i went through a whole auric with it and only did about 1k dmg with the charged strikes in total

i know because i didnt smite anything either

[wary flax]

It charges my malefic momentum.

[zealous wing]

only if the teeny tiny DOT kills them

if you want MM you should use assail, otherwise, put that point somewhere else where you'd get better uptime

[wary flax]

You just do a heavy attack into a horde and things will die from charged strike.

[zealous wing]

you can also just do a heavy attack with a good weapon and things will die

or lights, even

[spice oar]

Charged strike ON TOP

[zealous wing]

or, an assail

plus assail means easier peril upkeep anyway

everything smite does, theres something in psykers kit that does it far far better, usually assail

[wary flax]

I don't see assail increasing my melee damage from me just using my melee.

I don't have to swap to it, throw it at people, I just swing my weapon and get more damage.

[zealous wing]

i dont think 20 total collected stacks over the course of a mission is good damage but alrighty

[strong gulch]

Getting the electro DoT to kill the enemy to keep the warp side of MM up can be tricky. FGS just kills the things or lights on hordes.

[zealous wing]

ye which means you have to use a worse weapon for melee, like a taxe

[strong gulch]

So maybe is weapon dependent, but the usual melee tools don't make great use of charged strikes.

[spice oar]

I’ve found it effective on devils claw

[wary flax]

How dare people use things they find fun.

[spice oar]

Or heavy sword

[zealous wing]

its a shame devils claw falls off in effectiveness after heresy

theres fun then theres effective

[spice oar]

Oh you should see mr Uncs vid

[zealous wing]

im simply saying, smite has nothing worth offering in terms of effectiveness

[spice oar]

It does if your other weapons aren’t good at cc, such as idk, knife and las pistol

[zealous wing]

well thats your fault for running knife

id also still take assail

so the horde dies

[spice oar]

That’s a personal preference

[zealous wing]

the horde dying or not isnt personal preference

[spice oar]

And ain’t knife op asf?

[zealous wing]

it used to be, its ok now not op

[spice oar]

I still see knife “rat” builds uploaded (on YouTube) so it must be still a solid choice for havoc 40 content

[zealous wing]

lmfao

im guessing these are all on gameslantern

[spice oar]

Corrected myself

[zealous wing]

ah

let me guess, is there a tanner or mister E among those?

[spice oar]

So it has footage of them actually clearing the content

[spice oar]

Nah

Don’t like tanner

[zealous wing]

theres that at least

[spice oar]

Mr e builds are kinda eh imo

[zealous wing]

they're both shit

[spice oar]

Ogrynheimer is a solid pick tho

Have seen someone upload a video of them clearing havoc 40 on it

[zealous wing]

besides theres also a weapon being effective, and a player knowing how to manipulate the map to make something work

[spice oar]

Knife is solid man

[strong gulch]

Mr E has spread a decent amount of psyker misinformation. So I don't trust Mr. E for info.

Iirc tho, Mr. E is good at the game.

[spice oar]

It’s not the best, not saying that, but it’s good

[zealous wing]

and thats what i said, its ok

not OP

[strong gulch]

Knife is solid. Not the best.

[spice oar]

He hates them for some reason, tho he seemed to switch recently

[zealous wing]

because psyker can tank a crusher overhead now

[spice oar]

Put psyker as his “top 1 class”

[zealous wing]

lmfao

[spice oar]

Lmao low bar

[zealous wing]

doesnt take much for a youtuber to flip sides

[spice oar]

He hateeeeed psyker

Side note I have zero clue if tanner is good at build making I just can’t stand his voice in a video that’s all

Constantly screaming

[zealous wing]

he's not good

[wary flax]

He's fine.

[steel flame]

Most of the stuff he "discovers" are things that have been floating around for months already

WOW INFINITE SMITE BUILD USING SCRIERS.....yeah my dude, welcome to 8 months ago

[wary flax]

Wasn't it Mister E who made a video on infinite smite?

[steel flame]

That would indeed be why I brought that specific reference up yes

[wary flax]

I mean...the last person mentioned was Tanner, not E.

[steel flame]

They both brought it up. But infinite smite has been a thing the instant they added warp unbound

A patch day 1 build. I remember making it about 2 minutes after reading the warp unbound patch note description x)

If nothing else I guess he signal boosts builds to a different audience

Scriers infinite smite still not as good at fire shout empyric resolve smite imo

[wary flax]

I'm pretty sure he didn't claim that the smite build is something never seen before. It was just like "you wanna use infinite smite? this gives you infinite smite, enjoy."

Or don't enjoy cause that shit is boring.

[steel flame]

In other news, penetration of the soul continues to make me cry every time I look at it

1. Its conditional
2. Why does rending have to suck so much ass 90% of the time

[ripe obsidian]

It is only worth picking on blazing Voidblast, imo

B/c Voidblast has 80% ADMs on flak and carapace

So it boosts your explosive damage and your soulblaze on Carapace (albeit a small amount on the latter)

Even then, it's a preference pick rather than something I recommend wholeheartedly

[zealous wing]

six i sent you a friend request 🥺

as a just in case

[steel flame]

It's such a sad sad amount of damage increase on soul blaze 😭

[ripe obsidian]

What did you did

[zealous wing]

dom got banned

[ripe obsidian]

Why?

[steel flame]

Sorry wot?

I now see the context for his previous message

[ripe obsidian]

It is sad. The increase on the explosive portion is worth it, but it's still iffy.

[steel flame]

Who did he mouth off at this time?

He was walkin a fine line to be sure

[zealous wing]

he didnt even mouth off

he spoke the way he actually talks

[steel flame]

I mean

[lusty compass]

Nope he was perfectly fine honestly

[steel flame]

🤷‍♂️

[zealous wing]

he says hes going to appeal tomorrow, but honestly im so upset

and i cant talk about specifics, because, its ongoing and i dont want to risk fucking anything up like i tend to do

[lusty compass]

Same. I hope he can get it sorted 🙁

[steel flame]

I seem to remember something about him dm'ing someone to call them out yesterday or something and a dude brought it back to chat

Hope he gets his appeal

[steel flame]

Technically it does indeed do a lot of damage......just not to the things it needs to deal damage to

[zealous wing]

im also concerned i also might be wording things poorly in the modmail because i wanted answers, but, idk how i come across so, hence the just in case im gone too, soon

autism gonna autism, overthinking gonna overthink

[spice oar]

Do you guys fw Illisi or is that a niche pick nowadays?

[thorn cedar]

illisi is just an FGS with warprectile dysfunction

[steel flame]

There are things I want to say but I will refrain from doing so. Having seen and been on the receiving end of.....dom, empathy is not exactly something I feel

[spice oar]

Damm I really fw it tho

Wish Peril Stroking was still a thing

[thorn cedar]

its a pretty simple weapon but it really just has the one note to play

[steel flame]

Illi hard struggles with armor spam and fat shark really turned that shit up even in aurics so dominance has swung back to Deimos for the base force sword

[thorn cedar]

i stopped using it once we got the deimos and im still firmly in camp deimos

[spice oar]

Yeah it would do good for it to fill a part of psykers kit better

[steel flame]

Getting rid of its excellent peril stroke was a real blow for it. Just can't generate decent peril anymore, even with rock bottom peril resist its activation time is too damn slow

[spice oar]

Cause hordeclear is like what psykers excel at

[spice oar]

“Excellent peril stroke” 😭

We rating each classes stroke

[steel flame]

Fgs stole illis lunch money to be sure

Now, if illi got the falchion treatment and had a toggle for its warp attacks i would be overjoyed

But those cowards would rather add a "new" weapon for that instead

[zealous wing]

3rd FGS mark acts like a peril relic blade

take it or leave it

[unreal bridge]

What’s the best venting shriek inferno staff build?

[zealous wing]

the one in the pinned guide

[modest perch]

mine

[unreal bridge]

I’m using one right now that feels good but I’d like to look at other options

[unreal bridge]

Which one of the 3?

[zealous wing]

uh, give me a moment

[unreal bridge]

Sure take your time

[zealous wing]

this one, but also i've taken to removing warp ghost and putting that point on kinetic resonance, because the lack of specialist targeters seems to have skyrocketed recently

its also nice to do a bit of supplemental boss DPS when theres a gap in horde flow

[steel flame]

Down with venting shriek fire staff. PROCLAIM THE GLORIES OF VENTING SHRIEK BLAZING SPIRIT FGS

[zealous wing]

lmfao

ah yes, blazing spirit on the weapon that one shots almost everything with a crit

a great idea

now if they gave us a knife equivalent, using soul blaze instead of bleed, there might be something there worth trying

[modest perch]

or replace infernus with blazing spirit

[steel flame]

It's actually funny, it has enough cleave that the damage falloff towards the second half of the swing it can still set everything on fire in a horde

[modest perch]

so that wed finally have a ranged weapon that applies soulblaze

[zealous wing]

you mean besides the other staves

[modest perch]

[steel flame]

God....imagine.....soul blaze inferno laspistol

[zealous wing]

warp gun would be funny

[modest perch]

soulblaze reconlas

or even just make it a talent

soulblaze shredder

[zealous wing]

attach it to scriers

[steel flame]

"Change fire and bleed dots to soul blaze" slapped over penetration of the soul

[modest perch]

that would be sick tbh

i was also thinking theyd put it someplace inconvenient like they did with souldrinker when it was added

[steel flame]

It might actually be a damage nerf in some cases since you are condensing multiple dot caps into 1, but who gives a fuck I just burned his soul away with my pocket knife

[modest perch]

[unreal bridge]

What’s the combo for Deimos force sword?

Also is deflector good on it?

I’m using uncanny + deflector for my shriek inferno staff build ^

[steel flame]

Deflector on diemos is kinda like telling bullets to go fuck themselves. Paired with deflection the only thing getting through will be snipers, an excessive number of gunners and that one scrub enemy that's always just perfectly outside your deflection arc and instantly gibs you

[spare comet]

is triple toughness or x2 tough x1 hp the best curio picks

[unreal bridge]

3 toughness imo

[spare comet]

what perks do you suggest

because i've been running car / +toughness / gunner res

and its been nice

[steel flame]

I wish I had a Dt car....

[spare comet]

truth nuke

[steel flame]

I could go all caiphus cain on their ass with a scout salamander

JURGEN! DRIVE ME FARTHER AWAY SO I MAY HIT THEM WITH MY PINTLE HEAVY BOLTER

[zealous wing]

1 hp curio to hit certain breakpoints so you dont get oneshot by a burster or such, generally

[spare comet]

reasonable

[indigo plank]

1x Sniper resist to eat the shot without breaking toughness as well IIRC

[spare comet]

i've been doing x2 tough x1 hp with these perks and i've been doing just fine

i was just wondering what was considered better lol

[zealous wing]

it really depends on playstyle and difficulty you mainly find yourself in

but mostly playstyle

i run 2x revive speed

[spare comet]

i finished my hive scum build and thought my psyker was overdue for a return since my build from a long time ago was uhh

shit

lol

i played psyker for the sake of getting every class to 30 originally but then i realized i like inferno staff and greatsword builds

(not on the same build, separately)

[ripe obsidian]

I fink I have a recommended build at the start of each section. If it's missing, I can fix it

[ripe obsidian]

In H40, 1x HP to get over 100 HP and survive burster or sniper one-bops

(that is my opinion, at least)

[unreal bridge]

ohhhh is the first one recommended ok ok

[spare comet]

yeah makes sense

im stuck with an 18% hp one

shop will NOT give me a 21%

bc fartshark hates me

[zealous wing]

blame brunt

his servitor is malfunctioning

[ripe obsidian]

I think I wrote "recommended build: whatever" in each section. I think. Brain is pudding.

[ripe obsidian]

if armory exchange still worked... :<

[unreal bridge]

What mark would you guys recommend for blaze force sword if I use it with inferno shriek?

[zealous wing]

deimos

[unreal bridge]

Noted

Combos?

[zealous wing]

as in attack combos?

[unreal bridge]

Yah

[zealous wing]

or perks/blessings?

[unreal bridge]

Both I suppose but mainly weapon combos

[zealous wing]

light> heavy for H2, a strong stab that puts crushers and less on their ass

heavy light for horde clear, as little as it is

[unreal bridge]

is the special good? It one shot a crusher one time for me in the meat grinder and now I can’t recreate it

[zealous wing]

the special is generally bad to focus on using

it doesnt do enough except outside of niche cases

i use it on the stim canisters and thats it

[unreal bridge]

Okay thag makes sense

[zealous wing]

its good for peril pumping tho

[unreal bridge]

so for horde clear I do heavy light repeat?

[zealous wing]

yes, but its very minimal

but, you have inferno

[unreal bridge]

Yeah yeah

Ok ok

is it actually good?

[zealous wing]

maniac or unyielding, whichever you prefer

[unreal bridge]

I’m used to abusing DS4 on Psyker so it obviously won’t hold up but yk

[zealous wing]

apparently maniac might be unnecessary, so try unyield first

[unreal bridge]

Bet

[zealous wing]

trust, force sword better on inferno

can also run superiority instead of deflector

for some extra dps

i run deflector simply for the block cost, because i dont have KD, but i might switch off