Lightning staff
#psyker-class
wooden sand
marble crater
Brain Burst for Kinetic Flayer 
acoustic jacinth
For EK staff assail is good, picks off shotgunner groups and ragers easily, you can also use it for general horde clear
But if yer using shriek
Yeah KF
fair crag
assail is the flying things you through yeah?
acoustic jacinth
Ye
acoustic jacinth
fair crag
rip good luck lol
stark crown
Kinetic Flayer
wraith sphinx
the cheese touch subnode for brain burst
stark crown
The LTG Stare
acoustic jacinth
The blitz itself is a tax
dull scroll
are you...talking about smite?
fair crag
are you...talking about smite?
yeah sorry forgot the name
fair crag
Oh smite, that's blitz not an ability
ngl thought Abilitys were called blitz rip moment
fair crag
thats what i was goona do and should i use venting shriek as well with it
radiant frigate
absolutely yes
fair crag
are the other abilites good or nah?
wraith sphinx
make sense ya
acoustic jacinth
In reality, EK goes three ways
The shriek spam with KF BB, utilizing EK's high peril gen as a peril stick
The M1 surge machine gun, with SG and DD
The M2 lightning lord, with SG and WS (smite if it was good)
fair crag
fair, ill level up and then mess around with combos and such
acoustic jacinth
That's how i see this staff tbh
errant seal
Some of these keystones that require us to get kills to activate are kind of garbage. My teammates keep killing everything before I can so I never get stacks of anything.
stark crown
In reality, EK goes three ways
The shriek spam with KF BB, utilizing EK's high p...
There is another...
radiant frigate
There is another...
EK bonk..?
dull scroll
they should really make the staff bonk viable for builds 🤔
acoustic jacinth
Oh lmfao
stark crown
More of a combo tool with KF
acoustic jacinth
...oh
stark crown
and it gets Smitten down by LTG
stark crown
Yeah as long as you got under critical peril KF will proc
So I find it hilarious pairing with normal melee's instead of the Bread and Butter that is FGS
acoustic jacinth
Yeah understandable
acoustic jacinth
It's crazy how warp ghost also just exists now
As if stam management wasnt already fine
Another crazy warp man W
stark crown
You want a sweet spot anyways of like 60-80 peril anyways
acoustic jacinth
Yeh
stark crown
Usually the best uptime for buffs
acoustic jacinth
I like to stay minimum of 70, the closer i edge in game the more i feel something irl too
dull scroll
weak edge game
stark crown
88%
errant seal
Like genuinely why do I always have to be the one to get the elite or specialist kill, can't I just be the one who deals the most to damage to it to get the stack? My teammates keep stealing the kills out from under me and I can never get the stacks, who thought that was a good idea?
acoustic jacinth
I think i explained wrong
I go 100
Vent to 70
Cast twice
And yeah
English be hard
Forgive my gypsy mind
dull scroll
well allow me to explain, no venting shrike, or any ability needed
staff at 100% peril, tap r key once, and then min-cast (cast soon as you are able)
repeat, you will never blow up
except if you miss r tap, or greed more than min-cast
acoustic jacinth
Whilst i get it, that don't sound like a lot of casting in general, though i'll try it
dull scroll
no no lol, this is meta at higher lvl of play
acoustic jacinth
Especially with voidblast where i like to occasionally big boom
dull scroll
well yes, if you want to greed max-casts then this doesn't work
acoustic jacinth
I get it tho
dull scroll
but for things like soulblaze voidblast, where you fish for the crit blazes, this works very well
ornate hamlet
Not that I know of, but I also never really bothered with boss damage minmaxing
late night
r-tap and min-cast, to infinity
Wdym min cast
dull scroll
Wdym min cast
cast as soon as you are able
vs max-cast where you only cast when the charge bar is completely full
radiant frigate
they should really make the staff bonk viable for builds 🤔
what if we get a new psyker staff and it's an actual melee bonk staff
zinc phoenix
what if we get a new psyker staff and it's an actual melee bonk staff
No magic, it’s just a stick
You beat people with it
Doesn’t even get force push. Instead you slap someone
radiant frigate
No magic, it’s just a stick
real wizard shit
weary crane
10 games in a row and all my teammates die immediately
queen radish
nocturne wasp
what if we get a new psyker staff and it's an actual melee bonk staff
Better. A staff that just Yeats Rabid Warpmad Ratlings a la Orc Shokk Attack Gun
mental mulch
Forget the slap, I want to cast fist
mental mulch
I cast rubber bones!
nocturne wasp
I cast TESTICULAR TORSION
quaint lark
I cast this, or I cast that....FUCK YOU IM NOT GOING TO ANOUNCE MY FUCKING SPELLS ANYMORE, YOULL FIND OUT WHAT IT IS WHEN IT OBLITERATES THE SHIT OUT OF YOU!
wraith sphinx
what if we get a new psyker staff and it's an actual melee bonk staff
Thunder hammer psyker 
radiant frigate
I cast this, or I cast that....FUCK YOU IM NOT GOING TO ANOUNCE MY FUCKING SPELL...
one, two, three, four, i declare a wizard war
quaint lark
one, two, three, four, i declare a wizard war
mental mulch
one, two, three, four, i declare a wizard war
This wizard war is f'ed up man!
ripe obsidian
Lordy. I'll need to download this
stark moss
what is soul blaze?
distant lark
blue fire
radiant frigate
This wizard war is f'ed up man!
just saw a guy say "the ten hells" or some similar shit and everyone around him turned inside out, had their tibias explode and then vanished
the camera didn't even go on to him, that's how common shit like this is
mental mulch
My ass is casting frostbite and level 2 poison, I think I just heard power word: Scrunch two groups over, I have to get the f out of here.
marble crater
what is soul blaze?
Stackable damage over time
marble crater
There are talents and weapons and blessings that apply it
marble crater
All sources of soulblaze can stack with each other
But different sources have a different max cap, so it can get complicated
mental mulch
Yeah, but what about their damage per stack or whatever
marble crater
More stacks = exponentially more damage
zinc phoenix
Ok well if you know you can also use google
mental mulch
Sure, but the top result is probably gonna be some ai hallucination lol
marble crater
But im asking if the different sources do different damage
No, if they do then it's because they result in different amounts of stacks
mighty cipher
But im asking if the different sources do different damage
The different sources will apply different stack counts. Take Perilous Combustion which applies 3 stacks, vs Wildfire which can only add 1 at a time.
marble crater
But 3 stacks will all be the same damage no matter what the source is
mighty cipher
Real shame the stacks dont get refreshed either
Do they not?
I’m pretty sure they do
marble crater
Pins have all the guides you need
zealous wing
But im asking if the different sources do different damage
yes, the inferno stave application does more damage than shriek does
but the stacks themselves just do damage based on how many stacks there are and what weapon you're holding, if youre applying rending, if theres a brittle debuff applied, etc
but inferno does direct damage when you apply, because its a weapon, and shriek does no direct damage, because its an ability
zealous wing
Real shame the stacks dont get refreshed either
also, what do you mean by "they dont get refreshed"
because if you mean they cant be topped up with fresh application, that be bullshit, as its exactly how it works
mental mulch
Read out there old stacks dont get refreshed by new ones
zealous wing
... what does that mean if not refreshed
i can keep things at 16 stacks on inferno
the enemies dont slowly gain immunity to soul blaze
you can even refresh another psykers soul blaze
mental mulch
is 16 the maximum or something?
zealous wing
for inferno yes
for shriek its 24
or
32?
but bumps it to 24?
idk, need someone with braincells active
specific things have different caps, as six had said
plucky flax
31 max stacks
ripe obsidian
for shriek its 24
31
Blazing Spirit has a cap of 8, I believe. PC and Shriek both go up to 31. Wildfire is 4. Inferno is 15, or 16 if you crit when you would apply the 15th
But you can't refresh 16 and it will fall to 15 quickly enough
strong gulch
ranged blazing spirit has a cap of 6
melee blazing spirit has a cap of 12
when we got T4 blazing spirit on staves, it just increased the stacks on crit hit from 3 to 4 SB stacks
marble crater
Biggest scam ever
zealous wing
yes
strong gulch
So putting this all together.
SB from different sources are still all SB. Different sources have different soft caps: inferno (15; 16 if last app is a crit), ranged blazing spirit (6), etc. Those cannot apply SB beyond their soft caps; this includes from other psykers. Is why 2 infernos in not recommended.
But there is a global hard cap of 31 SB stacks. PC and Shriek (creeping flames assumed) can stack on themselves and other sources up to that 31 global cap. PC can do 3 SB stacks per proc. Shriek can do up to 6 per cast. So you can inferno up to 15 stacks then shriek for 21; but that can't happen the other way around.
SB stacks last a little over 8s before they begin to decay one by one. So reapplication and time to feck around with something is a thing.
Also yes. SB is warp.
marble crater
Someone should write this information in a guide
ripe obsidian
ranged blazing spirit has a cap of 6
Is it 6? Well, it's a better number, but is quite low
ripe obsidian
Someone should write this information in a guide
I will put it in the bonanza
strong gulch
give us 12 like melee 😭
(might be too strong lmao)
strong gulch
idk how consistently we'd get to 12
ripe obsidian
So even with 50% crit rate, you'd need 6 hits on average to hit 12 stacks
I think 12 would be fine
marble crater
I will put it in the bonanza
I was being a smart ass, because I thought it already is in one of the guides, probably
ripe obsidian
It probably is. I don't have a detailed Soulblaze section. I can add it
civic vector
So which is stronger now ? Melee psyker or flame psyker ?
verbal thistle
both
too many variables to put 1 over the other
skill/weapons/talents/teammates/difficulty/enemy type on the map/mission
undone fog
I like electric Psyker >.<
ripe obsidian
So which is stronger now ? Melee psyker or flame psyker ?
Soulblaze Psyker is easier to execute and has a lower skill floor. Melee Psyker has a higher skill floor and ceiling and is better against crushers and bosses. They're too different to easily compare.
I will say that some groups will outright reject Inferno Psykers because they kill everything too quickly.
Ainz and Combine have both rejected me if I was on an Inferno build when I tried to join them.
undone fog
Electrokinetic or Smite?
Both~
ripe obsidian
I see. If we catch you smyking, you're getting tossed in the pit. >:(
undone fog
?
undone fog
???
undone fog
What pits, there is no such thing
acoustic jacinth
explodes
undone fog
Or at least I don't see it
acoustic jacinth
That pit
weary crane
Nosh
acoustic jacinth
You play smite you see that pit
weary crane
Sweet BBQ sauce is goated
acoustic jacinth
Solid
ripe obsidian
Go to pins, and check smite "bad" section
I do try to keep that section neutral in tone. Not just bashing smite users. Telling someone they're bad for playing the game in a way they enjoy is a good way to get people to ignore everything you have to say.
ripe obsidian
I'm not indoctrinated into whatever inside joke is going on
TL;DR - most smite users are bad teammates that make the game less fun for everyone else.
acoustic jacinth
I'm not indoctrinated into whatever inside joke is going on
Let me just reply to the section so you can get a better idea
ripe obsidian
I have a few paragraphs on it in the pinned Bonanza build guide
acoustic jacinth
I do try to keep that section neutral in tone. Not just bashing smite users. Tel...
Im joking ye frog
I can't help it, i'm a balkan man
weary crane
undone fog
TL;DR - most smite users are bad teammates that make the game less fun for every...
I mean, providing great crowd control that prevents the team from getting squashed by crushers every 2 sec ain't what I'd call bad. 😛
Unless the team is actually good enough to not get squashed on their own XD
zealous wing
i would instead say turning off their damage is bad
riposte, precog, other on dodge blessings, on dodge talents, all nullified
enfeeble does not even come CLOSE to making up for that damage loss
acoustic jacinth
Unless the team is actually good enough to not get squashed on their own XD
Smite itself is not bad; the gameplay situation it creates is, not just for you as a smyker, but for your team as well.
Relying on smite causes you to learn litte to nothing about the game itself, the moment you get cornered you panic as you are not used to it
As for your teammates, many talents and blessings as Hexis here is saying, are negated hence you are gimping their damage, even if you are creating an opening
zealous wing
also, locking teammates in bad positions also terrible
thorn cedar
🥶
ripe obsidian
I mean, providing great crowd control that prevents the team from getting squash...
It also makes the game quite boring, prevents classes that rely on dodging from getting their buffs, spaces out enemies awkwardly, and does very little damage. Plus most Smykers are unable to adapt to different situations.
acoustic jacinth
Take no piss outside
thorn cedar
I envy thee
youve never scratched this shit off a car have you
ripe obsidian
youve never scratched this shit off a car have you
I grew up in the northeast of the US.
thorn cedar
ah then i take it back
ripe obsidian
I miss it.
thorn cedar
i don't lmao
ripe obsidian
I'm in Texas now. It's fuckin' 85 degrees and I hate it
undone fog
Smite itself is not bad; the gameplay situation it creates is, not just for you ...
Well, I have 5 psyker builds, 6 ogryn builds and working on Zealot and Vet as well and electric psyker is only 1 of these soooooo
shrugs
thorn cedar
it all frozen
ripe obsidian
I have seen Smykers in H30+ difficulties holding RMB against a pair of weakened ogryns and twins.
zealous wing
i have 3 psykers, 2 with 8 builds, 3rd to have 8 once she hits lvl 30, having 5 builds honestly doesnt mean much
ripe obsidian
It is... not good.
acoustic jacinth
Well, I have 5 psyker builds, 6 ogryn builds and working on Zealot and Vet as we...
I mean, that's fine and all but it doesn't really add to the discussion itself nor does it change anything
I know this may seem aggressive but it really is just that bad
ripe obsidian
i have 3 psykers, 2 with 8 builds, 3rd to have 8 once she hits lvl 30, having 5 ...
I think I have like 30 builds on my single Psyker. Often they're only 1 talent or blessing different for testing purposes
undone fog
Well, it denies the idea that I only ever rely on smite and not learn the game
If I have other builds I play
marble crater
i have 3 psykers, 2 with 8 builds, 3rd to have 8 once she hits lvl 30, having 5 ...
I have a normal amount of psykers (1), because I am not a psycho 
ripe obsidian
Well, it denies the idea that I only ever rely on smite and not learn the game
I am not saying you do it, ya goof. I'm explaining the stereotype of smykers and why they are disliked
zealous wing
I have a normal amount of psykers (1), because I am not a psycho <:staregryn:102...
this is psyker 13, trust me i am aware im a freak of nature
this is just the 3rd im keeping
marble crater
this is psyker 13, trust me i am aware im a freak of nature
acoustic jacinth
Well, it denies the idea that I only ever rely on smite and not learn the game
This is a general explanation as six is saying, not a personal one. Even if you do use it well, and time it to tense situations, smite still is, eh
undone fog
It also makes the game quite boring, prevents classes that rely on dodging from ...
Also, for my electro psy build, I do have it's damage maximized so it actually does do damage
acoustic jacinth
enfeeble does not even come CLOSE to making up for that damage loss
^
Smite even with its subnodes is bad at damage overall
zealous wing
trust, it doesnt do anything meaningful
and if you have to build everything around a blitz, its still shitty
a blitz is a supplement, not a main weapon, and builds should be made around main weapons
which, if you do that, smite does nothing damage-wise
ripe obsidian
this is psyker 13, trust me i am aware im a freak of nature
You are the psykiest
zealous wing
i've also learned that, 99.9% of smykers are still actually shit
they say they dodge around, they say they only smite big things or to help the team recover
then they smite the whole game
its the same tune every time
i've also recently played with a smyker who said such things, and we saw ONE crusher and they said "theres a lot of armour ahead"
which has made me learn when people say a lot of armour, it means they arent sure they can handle it alone / think they cant handle it alone, which could be one crusher for one person and 50 for someone else
thusly, "i only smite when theres a lot" could mean "theres 2 gunners and a small horde, im scared"
ripe obsidian
Smite is nice for rot + purple when the team has no good capability to cut through crusher hordes.
And I am sitting there with my uncanny soulblaze waiting for the dominoes to fall
undone fog
I do have to ask though
Turning off the dodge tallents or damage of others or such points
Ok, you won't oneshot a certain enemy and instead 2 shot it...how horrible when in exchange a room full of enemies is stunned. Are we trying to win or are we trying to speedrun?
ripe obsidian
Going slowly means more enemies spawn.
Going slowly can be death.
Havoc in particular starts spamming specials if you move too slowly
Stand still for too long, time for 4 pox bombers and 3 trappers to come waltzing in
zinc phoenix
Wall 🙏
zealous wing
Turning off the dodge tallents or damage of others or such points
Ok, you won't ...
id rather play the game, personally
ripe obsidian
Or for weapons like the d claw that rely on parrying for damage output, they just can't play the game
zinc phoenix
Three trappers and a pair of bursters run into a wall 🥁
zinc phoenix
Turning off the dodge tallents or damage of others or such points
Ok, you won't ...
If a 30m mission takes an hour because a yiker gums it up who do I bill for my time?
deft stump
If a 30m mission takes an hour because a yiker gums it up who do I bill for my t...
The smyker.
modest perch
is yiker a new slur ?
deft stump
They need to send you $7.
zinc phoenix
is yiker a new slur ?
I’ve changed the word, pray I don’t change it further
undone fog
Going slowly can be death.
And going too fast can be too when people get cought out and not playing as a team but just playing solo and running crazy
cedar delta
smite is fun =)
main crow
And going too fast can be too when people get cought out and not playing as a t...
That’s generally what happens with a smyker on the team because no one wants to be next to the buzzkill
zinc phoenix
Yikers most fun when I see them goin into the abyss after I barrel em
thorn cedar
ah nuts my power cut
zinc phoenix
Second most fun when they’re like “why no one rez 😭” after a down
Thankfully Fatshark has given us the ability to crouch so I can teabag the downed yikers
undone fog
Sounds toxic
shrugs
zealous wing
ah nuts my power cut
kk
thorn cedar
too be expected i suppose
ripe obsidian
And going too fast can be too when people get cought out and not playing as a t...
That's a different issue entirely. I'd much rather move at a fast, consistent pace than try to deal with the horde spread halfway across Tertium because the Smyker won't let go of RMB
zealous wing
Sounds toxic
*shrugs*
because we paid for a game not a "watch the enemies jitter for an hour and a half" simulator
ripe obsidian
Arby shock mines are a much better implementation of Smite.
Shock mines are fantastic.
zinc phoenix
Shock mines are sleazy but at least they aren’t game ruining
zealous wing
can be left behind with no consequences
thorn cedar
because we paid for a game not a "watch the enemies jitter for an hour and a hal...
tbh this same argument works for using smite because its in the game and the devs allow it to be the way that it is so w/e
ripe obsidian
Maximum of 16.667% uptime, have to make choices about when they're used, the arby can still play the game when shocking
thorn cedar
fatsharks implement of it is what's problematic more than people using it
zinc phoenix
fatsharks implement of it is what's problematic more than people using it
I used to think that way but so many yikers act like it is the totality of their identity
zealous wing
the problem is actually the people who dont care they're ruining 3 other peoples fun
thorn cedar
but its hard to put that genie back in the bottle now that it's been this way for long enough that some players genuinely cant function without it
deft stump
tbh this same argument works for using smite because its in the game and the dev...
Same for barreling a smyker.
zinc phoenix
I’m just resolving the liability with a barrel
thorn cedar
I used to think that way but so many yikers act like it is the totality of their...
yea this is separate tho, some do have funny bigheads about being "support players" but then demand three strangers play perfectly around them
main crow
Turn smite into a damage thing. Make it a sidegrade to assail
zinc phoenix
I’m fine with smite being a support thing that freeze baddies, I’m not fine with how it interacts with empower or SG
thorn cedar
i think smite is great, it just needs to lose its training wheels, i.e the inability to perils when you hit 100% with it to start and put an actual timer on it, like six or seven seconds max
zinc phoenix
You can use SG to blast past the training wheels for eternal smite
thorn cedar
if youre actually in it for the teamplay 6-7s is plenty to achieve any goal or objective and doesnt let you crutch
ripe obsidian
If Smite stays in the game, give it a cooldown and make it spread like wildfire. Kill an enemy with smite affecting them, it spreads to X enemies until out of stacks.
thorn cedar
You can use SG to blast past the training wheels for eternal smite
yes this would be an internal timer
like the white bar on Purgatus showing your fuel
main crow
if youre actually in it for the teamplay 6-7s is plenty to achieve any goal or o...
I had to
zinc phoenix
Ok youths what on earth
cedar delta
you said it, not us
zinc phoenix
the youths are rabid get the shotgun
ripe obsidian
Ok youths what on earth
We are old. We do not understand.
Instead we know how to write essays without AI. =)
zinc phoenix
Next year I gets my bifocals
main crow
Just adopt whatever ragebait the youths are dropping. Like 6 7
ripe obsidian
I like making memes unfunny by intentionally using them wrong.
Like calling a Playstation a "Nintendo"
zinc phoenix
I drive my wife mad by confusing Taylor swift and lorde
It’s definitely not on purpose
cedar delta
whose lorde
zinc phoenix
whose lorde
I have bad news, you are aging
main crow
Lordeez nuts
cedar delta
😭
ripe obsidian
whose lorde
Lord Henry, who fights against the Deadite threat
main crow
Is he that guy from Expedition 33?
cedar delta
no i think hes talking about the guy from kingdom come deliverance
main crow
cedar delta
ripe obsidian
digital oxide
Warp splitting, is it worth running on flame psyker?
modest perch
no
modest perch
no
digital oxide
I thought so
modest perch
its good on melee/assail tho
ripe obsidian
with a staff I mean
I think the only staff it does anything with is Voidstrike.
It maybe affects the LMB of Voidstrike/EK/Voidblast.
thorn cedar
.15 cleave x 2 = still not a lot of cleave
modest perch
it does but the cleave on those sucks
thorn cedar
or whatever the amount is at base but it's very low
cedar delta
Smite good?
cedar delta
no, smite bad
ripe obsidian
Smite good?
digital oxide
yes bad in terms of dps
cedar delta
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/K...
holy smite good
marble crater
ripe obsidian
Smite strong, but smite also bad. Is paradox.
peak sundial
smite is a fun, engaging and dynamic playstyle with a high skill ceiling
your teammates will thank you for providing such effective crowd control ^:)
cedar delta
smite okay, smite users good?
undone fog
smite good, smite haters are heretics~
zealous wing
smite hate isnt the same as smyker hate
lone ravine
There’s a massive difference between using smite the entire game and using smite to CC for a quick moment then continuing attacking
prime saddle
anyone got any thoughs / recommendations / improvements for using this with a rashad combat axe and zarona revolver?
thorn cedar
74 outages wooo
thorn cedar
anyone got any thoughs / recommendations / improvements for using this with a ra...
pretty weird loadout to start so idk
prime saddle
pretty weird loadout to start so idk
i started wanting to make a heavy axe psyker build work then ended up taking the zarona revolver as a way to kill crushers quickly since i found the build was lacking in that
thorn cedar
i personally find surety of arms very annoying/finnicky/punishing especially with revolver where your reloads arent tiered and swapping off and back to the gun means starting it all over and accruing the cost again
ripe obsidian
I do not think Zarona is gonna kill crushers faster than a Rashad.
ripe obsidian
Soulblaze on melee is generally... not strong imo
Without Shriek or some other primary source of FIRE
prime saddle
I do not think Zarona is gonna kill crushers faster than a Rashad.
takes about 6-7 rashad heavy headshots on a crusher to kill after activating scriers vs 5 headshots from a zarona to kill after scriers
ripe obsidian
anyone got any thoughs / recommendations / improvements for using this with a ra...
Trying to keep the general shape of the tree. This is still not quite what I would use, but it would work.
thorn cedar
which sounds crazy but with those two slow weapons i dont presume it has much uptime
prime saddle
id probably drop souldrinker and wildfire for something else
for vulnerable minds maybe?
ripe obsidian
takes about 6-7 rashad heavy headshots on a crusher to kill after activating scr...
Does it? That feels wrong.
prime saddle
Does it? That feels wrong.
this is what im using
ripe obsidian
What difficulty?
prime saddle
What difficulty?
auric in the meat grinder
with buffs it will be less but the zarona will be too
ripe obsidian
You won't have DD stacks in the meat grinder, so that's a pretty big issue
prime saddle
yea
ripe obsidian
lemme poke it, hold on. I don't have mods on this laptop to properly set things up
prime saddle
Does it? That feels wrong.
takes 4 with headtaker up
this is the zarona i was using (i wasnt waiting between each shot for surgical)
ripe obsidian
It's really hard to gauge properly without DD, since Rashad has pretty decent finesse scaling (I think) and DD is all about headshot/crit damage
prime saddle
Trying to keep the general shape of the tree. This is still not quite what I wou...
ill try something like this and see how it goes
ripe obsidian
@buoyant maple how finessey is Rashad?
ripe obsidian
ill try something like this and see how it goes
Since you have SG, I think Warp Rider is very important to pick.
Peril for days
prime saddle
yea
prime saddle
Trying to keep the general shape of the tree. This is still not quite what I wou...
you sure you havent added 31 points there - i cant replicate it im 1 off
nvm i still had surety of arms
i think ill keep that though because it speeds up the zarona reload a ton
prime saddle
Trying to keep the general shape of the tree. This is still not quite what I wou...
how valuable do you think just a dream is?
ripe obsidian
Eh.
I hate it, honestly.
It's only worth picking on SG meleekers.
It has killed me multiple times on staffker builds. Has lost me H40 runs.
prime saddle
It has killed me multiple times on staffker builds. Has lost me H40 runs.
how has it killed you?
lone ravine
how has it killed you?
Suddenly getting a jolt of a bajillion peril from any random source of dmg mid cast is NOT a good time
prime saddle
oh overload i thought it didnt do it while above 75% but i guess it does
lone ravine
Critical is 97
thorn cedar
- charge cast (already stun immune)
- take a hit that puts you to 97 without noticing (almost any hit at h40 will)
- cast and explode
prime saddle
thats fair
thorn cedar
50 outages woooo
prime saddle
Rate my build :3
what weapons?
thorn cedar
personally i love JaD but it deffo doesnt jive with staves
static vessel
ds and inferno
ripe obsidian
:(
prime saddle
personally i love JaD but it deffo doesnt jive with staves
that makes sense
thorn cedar
oh yea i already spoke on surety,i find it stinky lol
i see what they were going for with its design since its a way to build peril without casting anything but tying it to reload speed is very meh
prime saddle
i see what they were going for with its design since its a way to build peril wi...
its also from vermintide
theres a wizard subclass that has that but with 40% of damage and basically venting shriek
lone ravine
Yea unchained
All dmg taken is converted to peril at some %
At least she had abandon to counter the random overloads from dmg taken
ripe obsidian
how has it killed you?
Me: happily casting RMB on any staff, "Hehe, I am at 85% peril! I can do 2 more RMBs!" Enemy gunner hits me one time. Me: "Oh no, I am now at 100% peril! How did this--" head explodes.
Me: "I am in a cloud of tox gas and I need to use my trauma RMB to clear space so I can move. Wait, why can I not quell below like 95%. Oh no, I am dead."
thorn cedar
-laughs in mind in motion-
prime saddle
Me: happily casting RMB on any staff, "Hehe, I am at 85% peril! I can do 2 more ...
yea i was thinking about surety of arms when i said that
prime saddle
yea i was thinking about surety of arms when i said that
i can 100% see JaD killing me
ripe obsidian
Also, I had to build a rashad on my Psyker. Somehow I did not have one.
It does not feel good against crushers
prime saddle
yea its not that great against them hence why i wanted the zarona for it
ripe obsidian
But again, I cannot stack DD on this laptop because mods.
prime saddle
since its the fastest ranged weapon i could find to kill them
thorn cedar
Caxes want attack speed. Psyker does not have attack speed. At least not until they buff Scriers Gaze again and bake in 20% attack speed (totally necessary and a very needed buff)
prime saddle
that makes sense
buoyant maple
<@366562874039992331> how finessey is Rashad?
mainly for carapace and unyielding
prime saddle
against anything that isnt a crusher though i find it tears through them
it can 1-2 shot(with light attacks) pretty much anything non ogryn sized when you get buffs stacked up a bit
except plasma gunners and maulers i guess
subtle harbor
Does warp rider work now?
thorn cedar
Does warp rider work now?
i dont believe it ever didnt
prime saddle
is the double barrel shotgun any good now?
thorn cedar
very but also very, very depends
prime saddle
on what?
thorn cedar
everything
prime saddle
can you give an example where its good?
thorn cedar
on veteran with manstopper + flechette using weapon specialist to constantly fire off guaranteed critting infinite bleed stacking shots
prime saddle
what about on the psyker?
thorn cedar
hive scum with desperado and pickpocket but i think that's just generically true for every gun and hive scum lmao
on Psyker you can do surety with warp splitter
along with all the other generically good shit
thorn cedar
just farm up deathspitter blessing on it and keep pumping out shots
prime saddle
to kill hordes?
thorn cedar
its not a very psyker coded weapon though
ripe obsidian
I might be thinking of something else
PotS used to be borked. It is not borked now. Now it is just bad in almost every scenario.
weary crane
ripe obsidian
God, I hate pubs
thorn cedar
yea for hordes and mixed hordes, but its not honestly going to be THAT good but the weapon is useable
tulip kettle
same, but also
thorn cedar
Assail stopgaps most of your shortcomings
tulip kettle
its completely legit
to ask you to run bubble
and completely legit
for you to say no
and completely legit
for them to not play with you as a result
ripe obsidian
All of those things are valid, yes.
But it's also narrow-minded and frustrating.
I don't ask Vets to play VoC or Zealots to play book.
prime saddle
yea for hordes and mixed hordes, but its not honestly going to be THAT good but ...
good to know thanks for the help :)
tulip kettle
you are a liberal minded free thinker though
ripe obsidian
I just try to trust that people are good at whatever their build is
prime saddle
I don't ask Vets to play VoC or Zealots to play book.
thinking about it its kinda funny that the "wizard" class isnt the one with the book ability
ripe obsidian
Sometimes I am rewarded, sometimes I am not
summer token
gentlemen it i with great sadness that i must say sire melk got me again
ripe obsidian
I got hard-carried by a stealth + Relic sword zealot a week or two ago
thorn cedar
"I would never tell anyone how to play."
"Didn't you just tell that Smyker to kill themselves?"
"That's different."
prime saddle
just farm up deathspitter blessing on it and keep pumping out shots
any advice as for the other blessing?
prime saddle
"I would never tell anyone how to play."
"Didn't you just tell that Smyker to ki...
speaking of that have you any idea how im going to convince my friend who's new to darktide how to not just spam it?
tulip kettle
time is a flat circle
prime saddle
D:
zealous wing
speaking of that have you any idea how im going to convince my friend who's new ...
civi maelstrom, auric
summer token
"I would never tell anyone how to play."
"Didn't you just tell that Smyker to ki...
i really like brain burst now with the kinetic flayer buff
tulip kettle
final toll or nurgles blessing should do it
prime saddle
civi maelstrom, auric
civi?
tulip kettle
civi is the melee only no ammo
thorn cedar
best i can do is offer you my own propaganda
https://youtu.be/OT1xC1bzDJs?si=d7b1l75N8mZIbALN
zealous wing
civi is armour walls, but ye no dom is right
zealous wing
nurgle blessed and monster specials
prime saddle
civi is the melee only no ammo
ah thanks
zealous wing
civi is great for telling them they're positioned poorly
but only if they get sandwiched
tulip kettle
problem is smite will save em
summer token
i don't dislike smite but clothes lining a mutant with an instant brain burst like i do with the rock on ogryn is really fun
thorn cedar
any advice as for the other blessing?
sorta your pick tbh. flechette, manstopper, both barrels, speedload, almost anything is reasonable enough
prime saddle
sorta your pick tbh. flechette, manstopper, both barrels, speedload, almost anyt...
thanks ill give it a try
ripe obsidian
"I would never tell anyone how to play."
"Didn't you just tell that Smyker to ki...
I have never told anyone to kill themselves. :<
thorn cedar
ye is jokes
summer token
i have but i'm a changed person i don't do it anymore and that's what matters
prime saddle
And funny is the highest priority
funny should always be the greatest priority
zinc phoenix
I got hard-carried by a stealth + Relic sword zealot a week or two ago
Do you have their build? That’s sick
I love that idea
ripe obsidian
I do. Bear with me.
zinc phoenix
💯 thank youuu
ripe obsidian
Happy to provide. I was impressed, which is why I copied it
Guy's zealot is named Ballincat, plays on NAE.
zinc phoenix
I’m terrible with zel because I’m so used to being an immortal witch who can ignore bullets and regen toughness at will 😂
ripe obsidian
Yup. I struggle as well for the same reason
zinc phoenix
Guy's zealot is named Ballincat, plays on NAE.
I’ve run into him, very good
ripe obsidian
Yup. I try to remember players who I know are reliable
Even if I was quite bad that game, ha
quartz barn
i just had a similar experience, but for the wrong reason
did a regular auric for arbi clears
i also still have 2 twins penances left, so i was like w/e ill just try to solo those on gunker
i ran into the same guy i just did an auric with
on uprising twins?
zealous wing
thats actually funny
undone fog
What curios was he running since martyrdom? Wounds or just usual toughness/health?
zinc phoenix
You really only do martyrdom with a shitload of wounds because you want your stuff to go blender mode
undone fog
well, yeah, I assume so, but it's still better to ask than to assume
zinc phoenix
I could see going 2x wound and a stam
zealous wing
if you dont have 2 wounds, youre not at max power
weary idol
You really only do martyrdom with a shitload of wounds because you want your stu...
and martyrdom gives you more effective toughness than 3 toughness curios anyways
zinc phoenix
Fitty percent melee domagr
weary idol
30% attack speed lmao
undone fog
well, again, I assume so, I'm asking to be safe
weary idol
it's a real shame scum came out and gave me exactly zero reasons to ever play martyr zealot other than like
zinc phoenix
And you get the CDR
undone fog
I am curious though that the toughness replenish perk isn't taken
weary idol
eviscerator and relic blade is kinda cool
undone fog
I have an Eviscerator Martyr build
zinc phoenix
Oh man the synergy here is actually clever af
weary idol
I am curious though that the toughness replenish perk isn't taken
25% toughness replenishment isn't bad but like it's not something I'd spend a talent point on for a keystone
zinc phoenix
You can basically perma stealth as a martyr zel if you stay at 25% health
weary idol
veteran has a similar upgrade to Marksman's Focus keystone that is 40% by default, and up to 60% with a second node
zinc phoenix
B/c 50% CDR for the low hp and then 15% per kill on leaving stealth. That’s a huge CDR
tardy imp
Leveling up my Psyker and this happened lol
undone fog
You can basically perma stealth as a martyr zel if you stay at 25% health
I see, the eviscerator martyr build I tried is quiet different and runs Fury instead of stealth
zinc phoenix
So you spam stealth for the boosts and the free toughness and you can get it back instantly 😂
tardy imp
I see, the eviscerator martyr build I tried is quiet different and runs Fury ins...
Literally my day one build since the ps5 release of darktide
zinc phoenix
Man heated up sword on a crusher head with that build probably instant kills it
tardy imp
EVISCERATOR MY BELOVED
zealous wing
its a shame the chain weapons sound so atrociously terrible on carapace
cedar delta
i actually quite like it
undone fog
dunno, I have fun with how raw it is
zinc phoenix
Yeahs ok that’s nuts, I get how this works now 😂
undone fog
can opener goes brrrrrrrr clank clank clank
zealous wing
i hate it, tried it once in psykhanium. im never using a chain weapon of any kind
undone fog
to be fair I also have a Knife stealth zealot and it also felt clutch heavy
zinc phoenix
I’m pretty sure six was talking about h40 clutches since that’s what he usually does
Knife stealth is notorious for people taking fifty minutes to fail a clutch 😂
undone fog
I didn't play it much but the build sold itself to me when I was stuck in a corner of a room, with 2 crushers and a horde in my ass and the room was burning from a bomber except from the corner I was in and my whole team was dead...and then I managed to get out of that situation with it and get my team up
ripe obsidian
What curios was he running since martyrdom? Wounds or just usual toughness/healt...
I can check in a bit. I imagine 3x wound, then gunner resist, CDR, and maybe toughness or revive speed.
ripe obsidian
Yeahs ok that’s nuts, I get how this works now 😂
Guy was stealthy for a long time, one-bopped bosses coming out of stealth, rarely took damage, etc.
It was impressive.
verbal thistle
If you full heal from holy Rev, you'll still have 5 stacks of martyrdom
The only reason to run x3 wound
ornate hamlet
What is the best build(s)? have trouble deciding, lots of options here haha
weary idol
Leveling up my Psyker and this happened lol
i'm sorry the mission control will talk shit if you do that?
rude
tardy imp
i'm sorry the mission control will talk shit if you do that?
Lmfao yeah
ripe obsidian
What is the best build(s)? have trouble deciding, lots of options here haha
What difficulty?
spice oar
Is the traders hat collection in the shop worth it do you think guys
ornate hamlet
What difficulty?
Highest, thank you
ripe obsidian
Highest, thank you
For Havoc 40, I have a short section about meta builds. In short, Inferno + Bubble, Inferno + Shriek, Voidblast + Bubble, Voidblast + Shriek, Surge Surge, or Scrier's Gaze Melee
Most fun is gonna be melee or Surge Surge
Most common is gonna be inferno + bubble
I personally have the most success with inferno + shriek, but it's a matter of preference
For Auric, I recommend melee, surge surge, or voidstrike
Voidstrike is the weakest staff, but it is still strong, and its weakness isn't super apparent in Auric
ornate hamlet
Thank you
Ohh I found the havoc section, so sorry for bothering you and thanks again for responding
thorn cedar
@strong gulch @zealous wing power again ;_; lmao thatll just be a wrap for me
strong gulch
<@417891087500312576> <@658194473314156565> power again ;_; lmao thatll just be ...
Sad. I hope it comes back
thorn cedar
oh it already has, im just not gonna chance it anymore lol
i am unplugging everything
also a transformer definitely just blew
ripe obsidian
Kaboom
strong gulch
Oh great. /s
Transformers going boom always sounds scary and fecked up.
@zealous wing I left. I need to step away from the game. ggs
ripe obsidian
Wot is this silly sword
verbal thistle
pubs
modest perch
that was fast
verbal thistle
another one added
undone fog
Most fun is gonna be melee or Surge Surge
what is Surge Surge?
cedar delta
what is Surge Surge?
pew pew
modest perch
the staff with the blessing of the same name
undone fog
ah, voidstrike
jovial juniper
Nuh uh
Electric staff
It used to be called Surge
But it didn't have the Surge blessing
Then one day Fatshark added the surge blessing to the surge staff
Then renamed the staff right after
undone fog
huh, I think I only ever saw warp flurry warp nexus on electric before
ornate hamlet
huh, I think I only ever saw warp flurry warp nexus on electric before
furry warp 
ripe obsidian
That good, huh?
ripe obsidian
what is Surge Surge?
LMB-focused Electrokinetic stick. EK has really good crit bonuses that other staves do not (on LMB; RMB is broken), so you can get like 80% crit chance without trying.
And the Surge blessing is 2x projectiles on a crit
Become the warp machine gun
I have been doing a melee-focused Surge Surge build, based on a mix of bruh moment, Ainz, and AgentChaos's builds
verbal thistle
@shadow pilot Hallo
modest perch
imagine if they fixed the rmb
verbal thistle
we can talk in this chat
modest perch
staff would be so goated with the sauce
verbal thistle
you wont be able to send pics for a little bit, just need to talk a little
shadow pilot
ahh i see
verbal thistle
Just needed help with the talents?
shadow pilot
I mainly played at the start of the beta so i am really out of date
shadow pilot
if you have any up to date videos
ripe obsidian
imagine if they fixed the rmb
I wish. RMB would do like 25% to 30% more total damage on a crit.
shadow pilot
anything you think is the right way seems head popping is not what it used to be
verbal thistle
I dont explain current talents or mechanics
ripe obsidian
if you have any up to date videos
I has builds and explanations in the pinned build guide
Some Ainz builds, even
shadow pilot
looking at document now
verbal thistle
if you wanted to try something that is bubble + brain burst
has nearly every defensive option taken
will also make you dodge better
with this
ripe obsidian
Hm. Got a new lowest WR force sword. 25%, down from my 28%. Still not the <20% I want, or the <15% I dream of. The shop has taunted me with some swords that are, like, 11% mobility or 12% first target.
modest perch
keep going bro. 99% of gamblers quit right before getting lucky
modest perch
have you considered not being poor ?
ripe obsidian
I have. I will consider it more when my game isn't a slideshow
ripe obsidian
Darktide does not know the definition of the word "optimization"
viscid matrix
I’ve just always run the game on minimum for the most balanced frames
dull scroll
the frames of this game is fucked now this month, at least for me
I can get pretty smooth frames on high graphics even when recording before
now I turn graphics to low and it still goes 30 fps even in auric
dull scroll
and it's not local issues either, other high end game still runs fine on my rig
first time I've seen server side determining fps in a game
real fatshark miracles
white sky
Ime its a mem leak thing
You simply gotta restart every 3 games
The mem leak feels way worse now to me tho
dull scroll
mem leak is worse for everybody, that's the cherry on top
dull scroll
everytime these swedes goes on these long ass summer or winter breaks their game falls into the shitter
deft stump
You simply gotta restart every 3 games
3 games? 1 can see it after 1 game. I'm just used to being poor and playing on horrendous FPS so I can play till it's perma below 30.
white sky
3 games? 1 can see it after 1 game. I'm just used to being poor and playing on h...
Oh I can feel it after one sometimes
3 is just the average
Rarely i can get 5
This game legit runs at 120 or so fps for me on high settings until it seemingly doesn't want to
quaint lark
hey im on rn
ripe obsidian
Ime settings don't change how DT runs
Yeah, no matter what I set things to, it runs like crap. Oblivion Remaster on high/ultra is 80-100 FPS, Space Marine 2 on high is like 70, Cyberpunk on Ultra is like 80. Darktide on low/medium is 50 during hordes.
ripe obsidian
hey im on rn
They left the server.
quaint lark
damn
pine obsidian
What's the drop stat for force swords again? New to playing Psyker
white sky
Yeah, no matter what I set things to, it runs like crap. Oblivion Remaster on hi...
2077 is buttery for me until I walk into city center lmfao
deft stump
Yeah, no matter what I set things to, it runs like crap. Oblivion Remaster on hi...
Cyberpunk is a stable 60 on med high. DT can't even stable 60 on below low.
Is more stable 75 for cyberpunk. Could up the settings a little as well.
ripe obsidian
What's the drop stat for force swords again? New to playing Psyker
Warp Resist.
deft stump
It only hits 50 in city center too
Well, when too many ppl. My cpu is an antique.
But the thing is, isn't my pc doing the thinking unlike in DT where servers should have partially compensated?
ripe obsidian
Fatshark is using a weird engine of their own design (essentially) that no one knows how to use well.
white sky
Heavily modded autodesk stingray
deft stump
Heavily modded autodesk stingray
I mean, it's their own that they sold or summthing to them.
ripe obsidian
Heavily modded autodesk stingray
Fatshark essentially made Stingray.
white sky
Im amazed HD2 uses it
ripe obsidian
white sky
Instead of literally anything else
ripe obsidian
I never read the launcher
Maybe I need to put my builds into a Steam guide so Fatshark will highlight me. >:(
zealous wing
if there isnt anyone else, i'd say let him try lmfao
he's either curious, or egotistical, and that call surely must be answered either way
plucky flax
Sadly I checked his build and he was using purple stuff.
Need at least yellow gears bruh
ripe obsidian
Let him try!
deft stump
he's either curious, or egotistical, and that call surely must be answered eithe...
Or has no clue what he's getting into.
ripe obsidian
I think that's most likely
strong gulch
I am bad at Arby and it's quite funny.
ripe obsidian
No, Arby is bad at being played by you.
It's Arby's fault.
@zealous wing should I make a second psyker to hunt low WR swords on?
Okay, but you have to help name her, @strong gulch, since you threw a check mark at me. I will use the female Seer voice. I am thinking Moony-Something. Moony-Sheepus is a name I have leftover from Scum name brainstorming
strong gulch
Moony Screamus
ripe obsidian
How long do you wanna go though?
I don't need any weapons I don't already have. This is just a game for me at this point
I already have multiple force swords and greatswords under 30 WR.
plucky flax
I play scummer and then I just wanna play more psyker.
I dunno I prefer arby to scum. 
summer prairie
scum kind of op right now, even for clutching on some maps
ripe obsidian
OP against rot or OP in general? I imagine you mean the latter.
summer prairie
when you have space to run
plucky flax
OP like psyker? 
ripe obsidian
Shush, don't say it too loud or path will come in here and threaten us with 95 nerfs.
broken carbon
OP like psyker? <:Kapp:702551877673549955>
psyker is never getting nerfed and it makes me very sad
patent jacinth
Gaze golden toughness next update
ripe obsidian
psyker is never getting nerfed and it makes me very sad
I jus' wanna be a little space wizard guy lightin' things on fire
Why you wanna take that away from me? D:
patent jacinth
Bitch we had The Build fs cooked all the fun out of us for 2 years
broken carbon
Why you wanna take that away from me? D:
because psyker is completely broken and turns the game off on literally any build
patent jacinth
Unironically the better idea
ripe obsidian
Buff Zealot to Psyker levels!
patent jacinth
Die
broken carbon
Nerf everyone to zealot
shit i would be okay with zealot nerfs
the power creep reached zealot too
just bring zealot down a tad ina couple areas, then bring everyone else down to that
ripe obsidian
Zealot can now don Custodes armor and play in the blood trials or whatever they're called!
Blood games, sorry.
broken carbon
blood tuah
broken carbon
i can’t wait for psyker to get gutted tomorrow
just like how half life 3 and titan fall 3 will be announced tomorrow
patent jacinth
I play Psyker. I only die to missed audio cues and sneaky crushers.
The nefarious poxwalker of 16 consecutive backshots
broken carbon
ripe obsidian
i can’t wait for psyker to get gutted tomorrow
Bully. :<
(I know Psyker is too strong. I just like being sassy.)
In reality, I think there needs to be a significant rebalance of ADMs, and with it a rebalancing of classes. It's stupid that Carapace is the only armor type that requires any consideration.
As for Psyker rebalancing, uncanny needs to be made melee-only, Inferno probably shouldn't give double stacks on crit, EE probably needs an internal cooldown, and we shouldn't have like 5 damage resist nodes on the damn glass cannon class.
patent jacinth
Just make it so being high on peril gives -dr
ripe obsidian
I'd be fine with that.
ripe obsidian
My idea was that low peril should give single-target buffs and high peril should give horde buffs. So you have to make meaningful decisions about peril % based on the situation
patent jacinth
Cause fuck you
ripe obsidian
I don't like that Inferno psyker can deal with literally anything with basically no trouble.
I mostly like it because I enjoy DoTs in any game I play. But I would be content wiping trash hordes while relying more on my team for elites, specials, and bosses.
unreal bridge
What’s the best non dueling sword melee weapon for inferno staff psyker?
strong gulch
Deimos or obscurus. Both marks of force sword. There's no contest.
Grab uncanny as a minimum.
ripe obsidian
Deimos is more defensive. Less damage, but a very strong poke. Obscurus does more damage, but not as safe.
languid fable
My idea was that low peril should give single-target buffs and high peril should...
Maybe just make quelling have an actual delay/if you cancel before the animation finishes you don’t quell so you actually have a reload like mechanic limiting constant staff spam. Also get rid of soulblaze proccing itself infinitely and spreading to elites, there’s 0 reason you should passively set the screen on fire for killing a few elites
unreal bridge
Force Sword
Great sword or nah
plucky flax
Syllo you should mk3 needle on blue mode right?
patent jacinth
They should give back vent damage
summer prairie
Not entirely sure but I blue mode when there's only hordes or a really thick group of enemies
or gas grenade
plucky flax
I only use blue mode on that needle and it's kind of ass. Mine doesn't spread that much.
ripe obsidian
Great sword or nah
Nah. Regular
unreal bridge
Nah. Regular
Bet
ripe obsidian
Maybe just make quelling have an actual delay/if you cancel before the animation...
Disagree on the last bit. There is no reason Soulblaze shouldn't proc Perilous Combustion.
unreal bridge
How come regular over greatsword?
verbal thistle
Uncanny
ripe obsidian
Inferno already has crazy horde clear. Uncanny makes it better against armored enemies.
Plus, Obscurus and Deimos both make ya zoom, so the mobility is nice
And they're both good against single targets
plucky flax
Only really noob people play knife with inferno
unreal bridge
Noted noted
plucky flax
I did 38k warpfire damage with pc. Surely worth a point.
ripe obsidian
total fraud
ripe obsidian
I did 38k warpfire damage with pc. Surely worth a point.
This is why I don't take PC on non-blazing/inferno/shriek builds.
Without another source of soulblaze, it's not good
plucky flax
Would had been good if team was bad.
Team was too good so I didn't kill many elites.
summer prairie
pc does help a bit with dd stacks
verbal thistle
With KF?
plucky flax
With assails
Bubble knight
Maybe it's good for stealing warpfire if there's another psyker.
Too bad bubble knight this season is nerfed with new rot 
ripe obsidian
I've been using EK + KF + SG on meleeker
It has been quite fun
I need to work a little more on remembering to keep MM stacks up, but the playstyle feels more fun
languid fable
Disagree on the last bit. There is no reason Soulblaze shouldn't proc Perilous C...
I don’t think you should be able to gain stacks without direct action/input. It’s way too easy to exponentially build stacks in a dense horde with just a few elites kills which is terrible for game balance. How are you supposed to balance spawns against an exponentially scaling infinite cleave mechanic?
ripe obsidian
You can't really gain stacks without direct input in a real game.
PC and Wildfire fall off too quickly to kill anything without KF.
The Psykhanium is not an accurate depiction of a real game for numerous reasons, such as Wildfire being bugged.
Wildfire lingers like 12 seconds after an enemy dies, so it always spreads when testing it there.
Like AgentChaos just said, if you run a game without another source of Soulblaze, you get almost nothing from PC.
If you have Inferno, PC, Wildfire, Shriek, etc., it's really easy to make Soulblaze go wild. But they all work together.
languid fable
I don’t think soulblaze should be a spread mechanic to begin with then (maybe just on hordes to help balance psykers terrible stamina and melee horde clear sustain). There’s no reason it shouldn’t just be direct stacks to whatever elite you hit since it doesn’t do much anyways.
ripe obsidian
It's difficult to do it without all of those things.
Like, when I play Blazing Trauma + Shriek, my Soulblaze damage is equal to my ranged damage. Still a lot, but not nearly as much as Inferno
And yet, people come in here arguing that Wildfire is a weak talent. They make me sad.
It would be interesting to see the balance implications of Perilous Combustion only affecting non-elite enemies.
That would certainly limit the ability of Soulblaze psykers to do runaway damage to elite stacks without crippling their horde clear.
languid fable
IMO biggest balance issues on psyker are uncanny interactions with soulblaze, infinite cleave that scales with density (also soulblaze), and no limitations on staff spam letting players avoid melee (quell cancel, too much stagger on staffs)
So I guess I just don’t really like soublaze is my point
ripe obsidian
Yes. Uncanny + Soulblaze needed to be gutted fucking last year
Quell cancel isn't much of a thing anymore, if you're referring to LMB quell cancel
Only people who use macros can do it anymore. Or do it reliably
If you mean just spamming R instead of holding to drop peril, I agree
That should not be a mechanic
Infinite cleave is a trickier question. Inferno without infinite cleave would actually be useless. Like, immediate worst staff.
languid fable
Macros are a separate issue, I think quelling needs to be slower and there has to be a bigger delay before you start venting peril. Like reloads on powerful vs mobile ranged weapons, stronger staffs should have a bigger limit on constant damage output with longer quell animations/delay with “weaker” staffs having quicker quelling
summer prairie
That's just going to make playing a psyker very bad
ripe obsidian
Quelling is already quite slow on H40.
summer prairie
Feel very bad
languid fable
Reloads are a method of limiting infinite ranged output, quelling should do the same. Yes, when you’re overwhelmed you have to pull out melee, that’s the game
summer prairie
Ammo isn't limited most of the time
ripe obsidian
Soulblaze is the biggest reason I like Psyker. I love DoTs. Is also why I like crit shivs on Scum. Toxin for everyone!
Soulblaze should not interact with uncanny, and it shouldn't kill elites so absurdly quickly.
But I think any touches to it as a mechanic need to be careful, else they'll just gut the left side of the psyker tree
And then meleeker will get 8 more SG buffs.
ripe obsidian
SG now gives gold toughness if you regen toughness while full, melee range is increased by 50%, 50% attack speed increase, soulblaze on hit, EE now affects melee while SG is active
languid fable
Infinite cleave is a trickier question. Inferno without infinite cleave would ac...
Not sure if a cleave damage falloff mechanism can be made for inferno and other infinite cleave ranged weapons, but any kind of cleave on ranged weapons is already strong, it doesn’t need to be literally infinite. It just promotes lazy gameplay but I can’t deny it’s fun to just m1 into a horde
summer prairie
SG still worse than scum rampage
ripe obsidian
Not sure if a cleave damage falloff mechanism can be made for inferno and other ...
The issue is that Inferno relies on time to scale up. It's the same reason I dislike Empyric Shock as a talent. If you have to re-apply soulblaze everytime you kill the frontline of a horde, you just... don't do anything.
There is no longer a reason to ever use inferno
This is why I think 2x stacks on crit is an unhealthy mechanic.
Makes Inferno skip a lot of the scaling time that it should require.
ripe obsidian
True.
I am already running into that in H40s.
Have had a few games where I did more ranged damage than soulblaze on Inferno.
'Cause scum and vet just kill everything before I can get close enough
plucky flax
Have had a few games where I did more ranged damage than soulblaze on Inferno.
What the
Sounds highly improbable
sturdy reef
Ive seen it happen
languid fable
Makes Inferno skip a lot of the scaling time that it should require.
Again, soulblaze mechanics are to blame IMO. Max stacks need to be lowered a lot and uncanny interactions across the board need to be removed. The crit stacks are an interesting note though, didn’t realize how much work it does to build stacks
ripe obsidian
Did like 650k ranged and 550k soulblaze
By the time I lit things on fire, the rest of the team had already killed it.
summer prairie
Did you have blitz as a separate category
ripe obsidian
Yes, I should.
plucky flax
On burga i have like 200k true range damage
ripe obsidian
I can't get the scoreboard until I am home.
ripe obsidian
Again, soulblaze mechanics are to blame IMO. Max stacks need to be lowered a lot...
I think removing uncanny interactions are a safe, necessary first step. Give it a few weeks to gather telemetry on performance, then take another step.
And yeah, I usually am sitting at mid-40% crit rate on Inferno without the crit aura. So nearly half of my damage ticks are 2x soulblaze stacks.
summer prairie
slightly slower ramp up time doesn't really matter. It only transfers damage from you to your team or doesn't do anything
ripe obsidian
On burga i have like 200k true range damage
Maybe my soulblaze is just worse than yours
plucky flax
Maybe my soulblaze is just worse than yours
Cos your scoreboard category is worse
ripe obsidian
slightly slower ramp up time doesn't really matter. It only transfers damage fro...
I genuinely do not know how to make Inferno healthier without just gutting the weapon and the playstyle
plucky flax
So your range damage also includes bb
Update your ovenproof. The latest one on nexus has syllo's edit included with blitz and dog damage
ripe obsidian
Update your ovenproof. The latest one on nexus has syllo's edit included with bl...
I did. >:(
summer prairie
If you nerf RMB you would have to redesign lmb to be good/fast single target damage
ripe obsidian
My Ovenproof is fully updated. >>>:::(((
summer prairie
You need to enable blitz
languid fable
I genuinely do not know how to make Inferno healthier without just gutting the w...
Infinite cleave is always going to be problematic, but if it stays it needs to be rate limited like every other ranged weapon. Cleave staffs should have low stagger so you have to switch to melee to avoid being overwhelmed (trauma is ok since the stagger radius is moderate), actually needing to take time to quell carefully and deliberately before you can start blasting again, etc
ripe obsidian
It is enabled.
I am on my laptop and I am 2 hours from home. My scoreboard includes blitz. I just cannot get the image right now.
This is just the last scoreboard I posted in here. Blitz is separate.
ripe obsidian
Infinite cleave is always going to be problematic, but if it stays it needs to b...
I wish I could say I trusted Fatshark to balance it correctly.
I mean, part of the balance pre-rework was that Psyker had like 2 damage reduction nodes, and neither was super strong.
So you did a billion damage, but you died to a breeze.
summer prairie
People don't even run them, maybe one. It's easier to grab the old one though
ripe obsidian
The rework also made multiple toughness regen nodes stronger or easier to access
Souldrinker and Quietude in particular
languid fable
The rework also made multiple toughness regen nodes stronger or easier to access
Yeah, psyker was already busted before, infinite cleave is just that broken of a mechanic. Psyker needed a couple targeted nerfs pre rework, now he needs even more but no one really wants to hear that. Also every update there is a sciers buff for some reason when it already made practically made you untouchable with empathic evasion and peril toughness regen 
In any case Fatshark doesn’t seem too keen on balancing and nerfs, the fact they left right after breaking ranged dodge linger is a telling sign
I predict Psykers will always be eating good
ripe obsidian
Yeah, psyker was already busted before, infinite cleave is just that broken of a...
Just for that, Scrier's gets 4 more buffs and Vet loses ex stance. Not replaced, just gone.
strong gulch
We had TDR pre rework. Having DR plus the changes to toughness gen talents really made us more tanky.
Didn't we get a toughness boost from the tree too? I forget how much we could get (efficient pathing aside)
strong gulch
ye
ripe obsidian
I think we're technically only +/-5 overall toughness
Can't recall
Maybe 50 instead of 45?
Again, I know Psyker is overpowered right now. But I also think most suggested nerfs are kneejerk and would gut the class, or at least make soulblaze playstyles useless
strong gulch
I honestly can't remember. I know they used to be smaller and scattered through the tree. Now it's squeezed into 2 mandatory nodes.
For me, that's effectively a toughness boost.
meager hearth
Is the bubble knight variant with Electrokinetic staff rather than a gun better? No ammo sure but I find myself exploding.
ripe obsidian
Is the bubble knight variant with Electrokinetic staff rather than a gun better?...
It is preference
Recon does better boss damage with the gun afaik
EK is very good at sniping specials and allows you to take Kinetic Flayer instead of Assail
strong gulch
If you struggle to manage peril, it can be worse. This is harder to do with JaD and no peril mitigation.
If you prefer opening boxes with reckless abandon and don't want to do ammo math, EK better.
EK LMB projectiles are harder to aim in part because they are slower. They have stagger and supression tho.
wraith sphinx
I have some general rules of thumb for loadouts I've established after testing the waters for quite a bit
If staff, then no JaD, no DD
If not staff, then vice versa
strong gulch
So different flavors.
languid fable
Again, I know Psyker is overpowered right now. But I also think most suggested n...
Soulblaze as a “playstyle” breaks higher difficulty balance for every class. I understand some people like it and have fun with it but from a balance perspective psyker needed to be gutted yesterday. Soulblaze and inferno shouldn’t really be a playstyle. But ultimately Fatshark is in the drivers seat, so we’ll see how they balance the game especially with how much they seem to want to release more DLCs next year
languid fable
Soulblaze in its current state is what I meant
ripe obsidian
Spreading DoTs is absolutely a viable playstyle and it should exist. It just shouldn't be a 9/10 tool for dealing with everything
wraith sphinx
I don't believe any changes to inferno or soulblaze would be forthcoming unless the average player's skill level drastically improves
ripe obsidian
Honestly, just change uncanny, make maulers and scab ragers count as carapace for soulblaze, and reduce the unyielding ADMs. Give it a month and see how it goes.