#psyker-class

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white willow
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deleted his message KEKW_ogryn

icy breach
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what weapons?
This could be better

wraith sphinx
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The most fun arby build tbh

icy breach
wraith sphinx
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I play absolutely nothing but this when arbying

white willow
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I asked some arby leveling guide and no class sub have some psyker guide gods like people KEKW_ogryn

icy breach
icy breach
wraith sphinx
icy breach
white willow
wraith sphinx
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I see
I don't really use crusher specials though

icy breach
wraith sphinx
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Also isn't the damage increase between 60-80 power output p small?

icy breach
wraith sphinx
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Ehhhhhhhhhh

icy breach
icy breach
# wraith sphinx Ehhhhhhhhhh

if you hit a boi with special its a double hit
meaning you apply 20% brittle & SC + with LP from bruhpistol your radius is... 5 - 6m that is spammable & stuns everything exept mutants, bulwarks, crushers & bosses (what old paul was btw; 'nerf' masked as 'rework') - within that radius you apply brittle & SC & stop majority of the enemies

ornate hamlet
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also uh

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I can survive a crusher overhead with only toughness now

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like, ok

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arbites 2

radiant frigate
hollow summit
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damnit, tried to ledge people

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did not work

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should've brought shriek instead ngl

summer prairie
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What's up with these bindings

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1/2 are for like rations?

ornate hamlet
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even have toughness left

zealous wing
hollow summit
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Sigh, first time playing auric and I'm the player with the least deaths

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What a train wreck

marble crater
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There is a new event?

deft stump
marble crater
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Everyone is drunk and in a food coma because of Christmas

deft stump
marble crater
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Instant what?

deft stump
radiant frigate
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time is a flat circle

wraith sphinx
zealous wing
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fuck it i am ready to come to the dark side

deft stump
zealous wing
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whats the name of the mod for more builds

deft stump
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Cos you can totally eat mauler overheads with no hp damage on specific setups.

ornate hamlet
wraith sphinx
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And it would leave me at like 15 hp

half pebble
lofty escarp
tardy swallow
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Happy Holidays to all the Psykers!

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
radiant frigate
ripe obsidian
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No, flat

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I'm saying you're like da Vinci's Vitruvian Man

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You are the Vitruvian Elf

radiant frigate
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(yes that does make more sense)

ripe obsidian
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Well, dang.

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If I have made sense, I have failed

radiant frigate
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i didn't say it makes sense

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i just said it makes more sense than before, which, to clarify, was none

ripe obsidian
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Ah, that's a relief. I have nothing but my silliness and nonsensicality.

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To lose those would be to lose my very identity

tulip kettle
ripe obsidian
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Also, merry Christmas ya silly psykers. And serious psykers, too, should ye be out there.

wraith sphinx
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Best scum name I've seen so far

ripe obsidian
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It is a good name

verbal thistle
wraith sphinx
ripe obsidian
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Looks more like the frownch in that picture

icy breach
icy breach
ripe obsidian
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I did take Agent's recommendation to move the oggy damage node to Emperor's Fist

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+15% against all enemies is better than 20% against some

verbal thistle
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check the uptime on that

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I wanna see it

ripe obsidian
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I will when I get home from travel. Will be a bit

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But the CD for BtL is 10.6 seconds with the psyker aura, so it should be really solid uptime if using BtL as much as possible. If the uptime is bad, then something else would be better

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Can BtL instantly refill Forceful if you hit 10 enemies?

thorn cedar
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yea

icy breach
late night
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Is hammer of judgement still bugged

icy breach
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for a long time now

late night
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Yippee!

icy breach
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AV is best for Casti unironically

icy breach
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also don't use suppression force; bait talent - only useful vs bosses in general

ripe obsidian
icy breach
ripe obsidian
icy breach
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you have 10 stacks; you use ability; you spend all, gain no forceful on impact, gain AV stacks

ripe obsidian
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I need to test that. Can't find anything in Kuli's guides that says it's mutually exclusive

icy breach
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its not about uptime; its about what it does - and does very little in practice

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a common 'uptime good = good talent' type shit

ripe obsidian
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High uptime does mean a talent is having more impact, yes

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And typically when the TDR one is up is when I need it least

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B/c I am just smacking hordes

icy breach
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DID I JUST MISTOOK THE BOTH CAUSE BOTH HAVE SUPPRESSION IN THEIR NAME!?

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YE; HERE;

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Suppression Force - dogshit, dont use it (you choose it)
Suppression Protocols - great; should always use it instead (did not choose it)

ripe obsidian
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I do not care for suppression protocols

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It has low uptime and does not have uptime against dangerous enemies

queen radish
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Merry Christmas, Psykers.

quaint lark
queen radish
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We... don't talk about them.

quaint lark
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But im nice T~T

ripe obsidian
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Does Santa think so? Did you get coal?

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@buoyant maple wot's your LW + Forceful Arby build? I wish to compare.

ripe obsidian
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@icy breach you can get Forceful stacks when using BtL with Arby Vigilant. It's just super finicky. I tested, and sometimes I got no stacks, sometimes 1, sometimes 3-4.

icy breach
icy breach
strong gulch
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@tulip kettle @zealous wing from @lusty compass

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fake BEANS

lusty compass
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FAKE BEANS!!!

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we have real Beans soon tho its ok

marble crater
ripe obsidian
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Or just spaghetti code

ripe obsidian
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I will when I can get back on my laptop. I am wondering if colliding with the enemy too soon means that you haven't spent the Forceful stacks yet

ripe obsidian
half pebble
quaint lark
half pebble
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As a non psyk main who never plays smyke i literally have been saved so many times by a smyker

quaint lark
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they can be too good sometimes lol

half pebble
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Tbh I've always found inferno psykers one million times more annoying than smykers

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They just kill literally everything before I get to them

lusty compass
ripe obsidian
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I feel deceived

ripe obsidian
# quaint lark people hate how good it is

Smite is strong. Smite is boring for other players. Smykers tend to hold down RMB and do nothing else. Smykers can often not adapt to situations where Smite is not useful, such as bosses or final toll havocs.

ripe obsidian
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@icy breach it absolutely seems to do with the way AV drops stacks. Same enemies, same distance, I get 4 stacks of Forceful from 0 when using BtL, but 1 if I start at 10.

nocturne wasp
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Hate for bad smykers misdirected at smite itself

ripe obsidian
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Smite is too strong imo.

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It needs to be something you can't have up for 90% of the match

nocturne wasp
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I wouldn't be angry at a shorter range

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Less uptime

strong gulch
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arby mines

nocturne wasp
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Faster drain

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Something

ripe obsidian
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Hell, have Smite be a single-shot with a cooldown, and it spreads on its own

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Sort of like Wildfire and Soulblaze.

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Jumps to enemies so long as there are enemies to jump to and it has enough charge left

ripe obsidian
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Start with 30 stacks of "Smite", and reduce it by 1 for each enemy affected until 0 stacks remain. So each jump is -1 stack or something. I don't know.

thorn cedar
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That's the goofy part.

ripe obsidian
thorn cedar
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So it's pretty unlikely you'll hit 10 people but you do get stacks.

ripe obsidian
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So if I hit like 10 enemies in the first meter of the BtL charge, it doesn't count them because I am already at 10 stacks

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There seems to be a second or so period between BtL starting and Vigilant actually taking effect

thorn cedar
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None of that matters anyway because the actual best is mandibles on your dog.

ripe obsidian
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Shock on the arby maul also works

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One special attack on a crusher or summat will get Forceful fully stacked. If the crusher lives that long.

nocturne wasp
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Crusher maul special โค๏ธ

ripe obsidian
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This is my current Arby build. Not sure if I will keep Vigilant or move that point back to oggy + monstrosity damage. I will need to test uptime when I am back on a PC that can actually play the game

verbal thistle
ripe obsidian
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I'm just not sure if the strength bonus from Vigilant is worth losing all of the Forceful stacks and their bonuses.

cold ivy
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i never really understood how crazy purg is until i joined a rotten armor without it, the difference is literally night and day

verbal thistle
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were you the vet in my lobby

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lol

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they just said that oo

cold ivy
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i was the zealot

verbal thistle
cold ivy
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i think

verbal thistle
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the team

cold ivy
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mrfluffles is me!

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i died a lot

verbal thistle
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all g

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
cold ivy
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actually having to fight ragers and maulers plus horde on top of fighting rotten crushers is too much for me

marble crater
ripe obsidian
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All the rotten armor I have done so far this season I did on Rending Trauma. And with Combine, so it mattered less how well I did, because Combine is very good at the game.

cold ivy
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all my fluff was shot away by the heretics ;_;

ripe obsidian
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My entire goal was to make things easier for him to kill.

marble crater
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Getting carried, smh

ripe obsidian
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:<

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Hey, at one point he was dead and I duo'd a couple bosses with the other scum

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Gotta say, 2x scum, 1x rending psyker, 1x arby is maybe not the best team comp for H40. But we did win more than once.

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Trauma stick does not feel great in Final Toll.

cold ivy
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it feels like 1 frontline 1 psyker plus two more people who have good single target/special sniping is sorta the standard way to do havoc

weary crane
cold ivy
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but the nontraditional comps are also fun! i dunno if i would try to climb in a psykerless team though, my fundamentals are not good enough to kite and horde clear while also killing armor and specials

ripe obsidian
weary crane
sturdy reef
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I dont think you always need psyker tbh

ripe obsidian
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Rotten armor is also particularly challenging due to melee and ranged having such limited effectiveness.

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So the explosive damage of trauma or the DoT of uncanny soulblaze has an outsized effect

sturdy reef
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scummer is also good for rotten armor

ripe obsidian
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Toxin OP

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Putting on my conspiracy theory hat, Fatshark brought back rotten armor to sell more scum.

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Toxin + boom bringer

verbal thistle
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and stim supply for blight

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the only thing that makes blight bearable

sturdy reef
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I love stimm supply

verbal thistle
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I probably deployed my crate more then 100 times

sturdy reef
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dclaw on scummer is sleeper

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v good

marble crater
ripe obsidian
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And your thumbnails are, as always, eye-searing

verbal thistle
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yes

marble crater
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There is a lot to analyze in that thumbnail

verbal thistle
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my fav so far

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I love the medical warning at the bottom

sturdy reef
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not the out of memory

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๐Ÿ˜ข

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
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I see.

marble crater
ripe obsidian
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there is nothing holy here

sturdy reef
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psyker's best blitz are the DN shards

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surely

verbal thistle
marble crater
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Looks more like a fever dream loregryn

static vessel
verbal thistle
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idk

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put patrick quote here for fatshark

static vessel
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Insane if they dont

static vessel
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Lmao

modest perch
vast yew
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Don't think I've seen this title before

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oh nvm

ripe obsidian
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Just played Return to the Reik for the first time and was reminded how much better VT2 maps are than Darktide

ripe obsidian
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Prettier, more interesting set pieces, more unique mid and end events

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Better map design

radiant frigate
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but do they have more rats?

marble crater
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Rubber rats? I hate rubber rats, they make me crazy

strong gulch
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I don't get stuck in VT2 on stuff nearly as much compared to DT

ripe obsidian
tulip kettle
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crazy?

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i was crazy once

strong gulch
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they put me in a room

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a rubber room

wispy bay
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So you don't hurt yourself.

strong gulch
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a rubber room of rats

tulip kettle
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and rats make me crazy

strong gulch
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the rats drove me crazy

tulip kettle
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crazy?

strong gulch
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I was crazy once

wispy bay
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Eat them, show them that you are higher in the food chain.

tulip kettle
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they locked me in a room

strong gulch
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a rubber room

tulip kettle
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a rubber room with rats?

strong gulch
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the rats drove me crazy

tulip kettle
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crazy?

ripe obsidian
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What.

quartz mauve
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Crazy?

tulip kettle
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i was crazy once

zealous wing
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locked me in a room

mental mulch
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Okay I figured out if you complain about smite, you're too good at the game

tulip kettle
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what do you mean

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i suck

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and i hate smite

deft stump
mental mulch
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But most people tend to get their behinds handed to them when theres a million of specialists every second and dont complain about them being stunned

ripe obsidian
mental mulch
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Good lord I hate bombers so much, its as if they had a sniper range on their eternal dot nonsense

ripe obsidian
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If someone hasn't killed the bomber before a smyker can smyke it, your team is likely making mistakes

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Also, if you are in a position to smyke a bomber, I would 100% prefer if you just used that time to kill it

mental mulch
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Yeah mistakes

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Thats what I said

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If you hate psykers, you dont make mistakes

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Or you're a person who doesnt have their own opinion and look to pros for it

white sky
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I think you just like smyking and are displeased people dislike the playstyle tbh

mental mulch
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No, just people I qm auric with dont complain about me doing it. probably cause we're all too busy getting wrecked

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And I usually play smite with bubble shield anyway

deft stump
mental mulch
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Its hard to smite everything when enemies are coming from every angle too

ripe obsidian
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I know I sound like a broken record here

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But same as in Vermintide

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If enemies are coming from all sides, your team is not positioning well

mental mulch
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Though I admit its more fun to play shield ogryn and spam push everything

ripe obsidian
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You should fight in areas where enemies have limited avenues of approach. Should being the operative word.

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Even in H40, people often don't do that.

mental mulch
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Yeah, here we come to 'making mistakes' again

ripe obsidian
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It's 50/50 if people relocate to a strong position or just rely on skill to survive.

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And then, uh, another 50/50 if that skill is there.

mental mulch
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If you hate smite, you dont make mistakes

white sky
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Yeah you've said that

ripe obsidian
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That is certainly one of the takes of all time

quiet inlet
zealous wing
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i desire smites removal

ripe obsidian
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Smite is easy to use and has a large visible impact.

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That's all there is to it

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Smite is probably the single easiest playstyle in the game. Easier than Arby.

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It allows players to feel strong, to fulfill a power fantasy, without as much risk of getting bullied by the game.

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And despite what anyone might say, this is a damn hard game.

deft stump
quartz mauve
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just use smite. who cares what discord nerds say abt it

mental mulch
cosmic cobalt
mental mulch
cosmic cobalt
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you're quite literally being a deadweight by not doing damage

zealous wing
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skill has nothing to do with disliking people who turn down teammates damage and think enfeeble makes up for that

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let alone stopping us from maneuvering enemies into more desirable positions for something like a warp slice or shriek

deft stump
cosmic cobalt
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smite is zzzzzzz

ripe obsidian
zealous wing
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he's on my friend list

deft stump
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Oh wow.

zealous wing
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ye

cosmic cobalt
ripe obsidian
zealous wing
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friend list and insulting me is a weird way to be

deft stump
cosmic cobalt
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yeah like pushgryn

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because they're dealing zero fucking damage in h40

mental mulch
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Im drunk and when we played together I only had one level 30

cosmic cobalt
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getting back to 40 is such a slog with randoms now

deft stump
mental mulch
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And is telling people they're too good at the game an insult anyway

ripe obsidian
# cosmic cobalt yeah like pushgryn

I think a majority of Oggy players I've seen this season have been shieldgryns. They're usually quite good. But they're usually not just spamming push.

zealous wing
cosmic cobalt
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this is my experience

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idk where the push spam playstyle come from

mental mulch
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Probably trying to taunt everything

deft stump
cosmic cobalt
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shit is so frustrating to play with because you're effectively playing with a bot

deft stump
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I don't think it's for H40 though.

mental mulch
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The game doesnt reallyy offer too much in the way of a support/healer playstyle

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Even supports have to be doing damage

zealous wing
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i dunno corruption immunity is close

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and arby is peak support, no one plays it that way tho

deft stump
zealous wing
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arby isnt good at anything except not dying

cosmic cobalt
ripe obsidian
strong gulch
strong gulch
ripe obsidian
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Why are you calling me nobody, Hexis

mental mulch
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Yeah, you plaay with a bot that makes everything easier to kill

cosmic cobalt
strong gulch
ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
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im not expecting a second trapper

strong gulch
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Get clever girled nerd. ๐Ÿ˜ญ

cosmic cobalt
ripe obsidian
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I played VT2 earlier today--only Legend, as I don't have WoM--and the bots were great

cosmic cobalt
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also push being much stronger in vt2 in general

ripe obsidian
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Was me + 3 bots

strong gulch
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and they can pick stuff up

ripe obsidian
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And they hand you grenades and potions!

cosmic cobalt
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on god why can't fatshark let us use our character as bot

ripe obsidian
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I had basically unlimited bombs because whenever I threw one, the bots gave me another

ripe obsidian
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and all of Fatshark's good designers and engineers are still making VT2 content

nocturne wasp
ripe obsidian
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Ye gods, the maps in VT2 are so much more interesting and dynamic. The only DT map that comes close is the trench one

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The trench map is actually great

cosmic cobalt
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dt maps are kind of fucked over due to the game taking place in a hive city

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and reused location really doesn't help

ripe obsidian
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So that part confuses me a lot.

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FS made tilesets, right? Going the route of other great horde shooters like Warframe or DRG.

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Or, hell, even their own fucking Chaos Wastes in VT2.

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One would imagine that they would use these tilesets to produce maps somewhat more quickly, or procedurally, or to have maps rotate in and out a few times a year.

mental mulch
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Anyways, I dont hate smite and I dont thinnk that will change anytime soon

ripe obsidian
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Oh, the battle for Tertium is no longer in this part of the forges? Cool, we have different forge maps for half the year.

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Same way they rotate dialogue in and out over time.

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But... no.

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They just made 3 samey maps using each tileset then threw them away

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And make new tilesets (see: The Interzone Void)

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Then just forget they exist

nocturne wasp
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That's why I want a mission set in a derelict titan

cosmic cobalt
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we can't have variety in our "dark and gritty" horde "shooter"

nocturne wasp
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Could be made to be scary

ripe obsidian
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I would love a Chaos Wastes mode set in a space hulk

quiet inlet
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or the interzone void

ripe obsidian
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That works, too

cosmic cobalt
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I don't like chaos waste tbh

nocturne wasp
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Same

cosmic cobalt
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the idea is nice but there zero variety

ripe obsidian
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I don't like that VT2 is getting more content even now than DT. >:(

cosmic cobalt
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which is yknow

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bad

nocturne wasp
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Roguelikes aren't my jam, and it doubled the space VT2 needed on my ps4 without even giving me an option

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I was not pleased

cosmic cobalt
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mortis trial perk and upgrade are much better because they interact with your build more

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meanwhile everything in chaos waste is just general buff

ripe obsidian
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Mortis Trials are bleh.

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If they were not just an arena, I would be more interested

zealous wing
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i like them, but the pauses are a bit toooo long

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i think the higher the diff the shorter the breaks should be

ripe obsidian
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But as it stands, I consider Mortis to be a worse Killing Floor 2

zealous wing
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also, i think someones idea of it scaling as havoc rather than base difficulties was good

cosmic cobalt
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I think the difficulty should scale up faster

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at like max wave its pretty much havoc density

ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
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but before that it just bore

mental mulch
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The usual games I play dont demand supports to do damage

ripe obsidian
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There are many ways to be useful without doing damage. But if you don't do damage, then the enemies will eventually just come hit you anyway.

mental mulch
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I meann, I do hit things, just not as much as others

nocturne wasp
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Get away from the " teamwork is being skilled enough to render the team irrelevant" mindset

mental mulch
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Its not like all I do is smite or push

zealous wing
mental mulch
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My mindset is more like 'my team can do it better than me'

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Or 'Ill help others do better'

zealous wing
cosmic cobalt
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you can help your team by not being 1m behind everyone in damage

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push spamming doesn't help your team at all

mental mulch
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I mean, I dont 100% spam push

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I like rock. It one shots muties

static vessel
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I should use it with my dumbass club

nocturne wasp
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Isn't the consequence of missing getting a free rock back?

cosmic cobalt
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take a node

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you don't really have good option to give up just for getting rock back when missing/hit weakspot

nocturne wasp
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I had no trouble finding room

mental mulch
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Holy hell theres like 10 gunners

ripe obsidian
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I am so close to force sword greatness

spare comet
ripe obsidian
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The only healers in VT2 are, what, sister of the thorns for bonus temp HP gen and warrior priest saltzy?

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Both of which are products of killing

white sky
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If you wanna include temp hp gen ig merc kruber

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Shout

mental mulch
white sky
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Smite spam actively makes your team kill slower

ripe obsidian
cosmic cobalt
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same

white sky
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I think i have IB first bot Merc second

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IB bot better than most IB players

cosmic cobalt
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merc with mns, ib with axe and shield, kerillian with sword

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the bot do well with these weapon

ripe obsidian
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4x IB bots would win any mission

cosmic cobalt
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they struggle a lot with damage but uh

mental mulch
white sky
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I believe that.

ripe obsidian
mental mulch
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Though its certainly easier to kill things when all the million is stuff is not attacking you all at once

white sky
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Well

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The attacks mean you can dodge

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And dodging procs damage on dodge talents and blessings

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Which then in turn makes your team kill faster

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Not to mention the enemies won't be as spread out

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But I'm sure you don't want to hear that

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And will instead go "yeah people who complain about smite don't make mistakes" or something like that.

mental mulch
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Give me a team that can do all that and maybe i'll listen

white sky
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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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You'll either learn or you won't.

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Chances are you will not be my problem.

mental mulch
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I cant learn anything that can let me carry the whole team.

white sky
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You may once you realize most of your limitations are self imposed.

mental mulch
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And I dont want to carry everyone anyway

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I like helping others do better, not do everything myself

zealous wing
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smite makes everyone do worse if its perma smite,

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including you

cosmic cobalt
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smite goes against everything the game is design for

hollow summit
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I just dont like stunlocking myself

mental mulch
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Well, I bring my staff and melee for a reason too

cosmic cobalt
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there zero skill expression, slow down the game and everyone else not getting to have fun because their entire interaction with enemies is to just hit

mental mulch
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Maybe, but I still havent seen anyone in my games complain

potent echo
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Carrying teams is the fun zone of tide

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Blazing through is too boring and dying means not playing

mental mulch
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Im not a guy who likes carrying people

potent echo
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I feel like that headspace ends up being either you win the match or you blame the team

cosmic cobalt
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can't help someone who refuse to get better

mental mulch
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I dont blame the team unless they are actively trying to lose the game. And I dont refuse to get better, I refuse to be a sweat

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Wont be seeing me kicking anyone cause I dont like their playstyle

potent echo
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What if the team is so bad because they can't even fight stationary targets KEKW_ogryn

mental mulch
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Thats exactly the kind of people im getting in qm's kek

strong gulch
#

If you like smite then you like smite. Play what you like.

Just know there are plenty of people who don't like it because of how impactful the game is.

If people don't complain, cool; but know that some may barrel you or leave.

mental mulch
#

Dont care if they leave

strong gulch
#

I don't leave if I see smite, but I do if the person keeps holding it down.

mental mulch
#

But barreling is a douche move

strong gulch
#

I block the people who keep smyking everything.

#

I will barrel a smyker if I ask them to stop and they don't.

#

Getting one back to back missions is unfun.

white sky
#

Thats what gets me with smykers

strong gulch
#

Someone who know when to use it and doesn't misuse smite tho, I have never been mad at.

white sky
#

Its always immediately on smite

indigo plank
#

Never even pull out the weapon, straight to smite

#

Running around wielding hands

nocturne wasp
#

Even if you aren't overusing smite, it's still step 1 in your chain of events when you see enemies

mental mulch
#

I smite when my team is getting run over, which happens to be 90% of the time

#

My step one is to use my staff or melee, my step two is smite because my team is getting overwhelmed again

nocturne wasp
#

I use it to prime shock status then clean up

#

Ideally as soon as it spreads to its max range I let go

#

Usually sooner though bc teammates are Cleaning too

#

And I want in on that shit

blazing stirrup
#

doesnt it literally tie down hordes and stun heavy enemies

#

that makes them literally easier to kill

mental mulch
#

Well my teammates rarely kill smited enemies lol

blazing stirrup
#

uh oh

ripe obsidian
#

Smite means no dodge talents proc or block talents. Smite means you aren't doing damage. Smite means enemies are more spread out.

nocturne wasp
#

Apparently if the enemies aren't actively running towards you to feed your kills its "slowing down gameplay"

#

But six is right

blazing stirrup
#

idk i like stopping the horde of shamblers and armoured monsters so the heavies can butcher them

mental mulch
#

Smite does plenty of damage with emp psionics lul

ripe obsidian
#

Smite does not do meaningful damage.

#

Even with EP.

blazing stirrup
#

duh

#

its a stun mechanic

#

"wdym the horde stunning lighting doesnt kill everything"

#

that would make the game a cake walk

verbal thistle
#

why stun when you can kill

mental mulch
#

Well the buurning vent people use it with does

zealous wing
#

thats just shriek tho

verbal thistle
#

now imagine shriek while using a staff

#

the dps then

zealous wing
#

just because i run shredder autopistol with kinetic flayer doesnt make the shredder autopistol good

cosmic cobalt
#

staff + shriek+ superiority

mental mulch
#

Well duh, psyker guns suck

ripe obsidian
#

what

zealous wing
#

lmfao

cosmic cobalt
#

real

verbal thistle
zealous wing
mental mulch
#

staves are just too good

cosmic cobalt
#

this man is a tourist

#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

blazing stirrup
#

anythings good if ur cracked enough

verbal thistle
#

That is true

mental mulch
#

Thats a good point

verbal thistle
#

but guns can do more things then staffs

#

pros and cons

mental mulch
#

Well the guns feel bad to me

zealous wing
#

guns also do boss damage while staves are generally more specialised

verbal thistle
#

okay

ripe obsidian
#

Guy comes in here acting like the fucking expert on Darktide, like anyone who says different is a moron, then boldly states that guns are bad on psyker.

verbal thistle
#

thats an opinion, just not a fact

ripe obsidian
#

I'm done with this goofiness.

verbal thistle
#

its funny

mental mulch
#

Ah yes, calling people good is calling them morons lol

potent echo
#

I'm not surprised

blazing stirrup
#

i flip between using auto guns and the eletric staff

potent echo
#

The logical conclusion to why anyone would devolve to smyking

potent echo
#

Bottom left man2

potent echo
#

I also finally discovered man in the carnival mission

#

I never realized he existed before

verbal thistle
#

man?

potent echo
#

Yea man

potent echo
#

From your thumbnail

verbal thistle
#

ah

#

I love it when that happens

#

its only Mercentile that does it

potent echo
#

That match didn't even have veterans

#

Where did he come from

#

Where did he go

verbal thistle
#

since the camera starts large then zooms

#

gives it enough time to see the rejects

potent echo
#

It's not even the rejects because that game I played didn't even have a vet

#

Fatshark put him there

#

Man

ripe obsidian
verbal thistle
#

funny

#

can sum up darktide

mental mulch
#

Truly

verbal thistle
#

also, I am finding new ways out of the map while using nimble

mental mulch
ripe obsidian
#

you are too powerful, Ainz

#

The hops

#

The dodges

#

Did you walk into the flame?

verbal thistle
#

I had 2 people in vc glazing me

#

while clutching like 3 times

#

had to explain why side dodging is a movement tech

mental mulch
#

Master degree in adjusting facts to fit one's narrative more like

ripe obsidian
verbal thistle
#

for most

ripe obsidian
#

I crabwalk everywhere at this point

#

Gotta go zoom

verbal thistle
#

it also influnces the slot system in some way I can't explain

cosmic cobalt
ripe obsidian
#

tbh I don't even know why side-dodging goes faster, I just know it's faster.

mental mulch
#

Same reason bunny hopping goes faster in games it does

potent echo
#

I do it in every pub game during the run up and non of them catch on

#

How is this possible

#

I'm out crabbing all the sweaty knife sliders

mental mulch
#

You cant crab in csgo!

shadow oar
#

is scriers + flame a good combo

verbal thistle
#

yes

#

anything with gaze is too strong

shadow oar
#

tru

verbal thistle
#

melee, ranged, blitz

shadow oar
#

wish flame had actual feedback tho

#

feels so bad compared to how punchy every other weapon is

mental mulch
#

Combine it with brain blast and youll get feedback from the random elites youll kill

verbal thistle
verbal thistle
#

no big hits of dopamine when you get that big damage pop up

mental mulch
#

I think flame is pretty fun myself

shadow oar
#

well its that + the fact that flame has 0 impact

mental mulch
#

Doesnt flame staff stagger really good?

#

Im pretty sure last time I used it it did

gray moss
#

its my current build of full flame in auric mortises

#

if you get fulminator you have a chance to become immortal

mental mulch
#

Nice

gray moss
#

basically most of the soulfire talents and fenting shriek, no keystone

verbal thistle
#

fenting shriek sounds like a Scum talent

potent echo
gray moss
#

lmao

mental mulch
#

Its funny how similar smite and fire brain blast builds are

gray moss
#

yep, and i know my build would make ainz have a brain blast moment

verbal thistle
#

probably

#

"the beast"

potent echo
#

I'm gonna scream

gray moss
#

close but not quite for what i have

verbal thistle
#

I like making viruses with the talent tree

nocturne wasp
#

Wait

#

What

potent echo
#

The nurgle symbol is actually a talent tree

nocturne wasp
#

No keystone?

potent echo
#

Forbidden knowledge right here

gray moss
#

no keystone indeed

verbal thistle
#

I just randomly made this

#

cause its funny

radiant frigate
unborn flicker
#

So are we just really really weak in upper havocs or is that just me?

dull scroll
#

yes please buff fatshark

#

๐Ÿ˜

unborn flicker
#

Im watching these other classes running around tanking stuff and dealing wayyyyy more damage lol

zealous wing
#

imma be honest if they're dealing more damage AND tanking, youre doing something wrong

#

or, are using bubble

gray moss
#

yep

verbal thistle
#

At the end of the day it's probably like 80% skill and rest build

uncut vale
peak sundial
#

somehow went this long without touching it but today i have been pleasantly surprised at how intuitive and useful non-bubble shield is for denying special spam

zealous wing
#

when it works

peak sundial
#

does it hold up at all for havoc or will i get bitched out for trying

gray moss
#

tbh i contribute via being full CC

verbal thistle
#

Flat wall is fun

uncut vale
#

I wish the other classes had skills as useful as Psyker.

#

It really feels like Voice of Command is the only real competitor in the active skill category.

verbal thistle
#

Define useful

uncut vale
#

Doesn't feel like I'm giving up something way better by using it.

radiant frigate
#

like what, protecting from boolet?

#

what purpose are we looking for

uncut vale
#

General use. Really the only ones I find useful are Voice of Command, the zealots dash, the ogryns taunt, and all the psyker skills.

verbal thistle
#

General use and you don't mention the best QoL ult in the game

#

Ex stance

#

Wall hacks, toughness regen, ranged damage, stun immunity, and more

uncut vale
#

I just feel like for Psyker it's one of 3 really good choices and I struggle to pick the best. For everyone else it's just "that one".

radiant frigate
#

none of the psyker actives will save you from crusher packs but VoC will

verbal thistle
radiant frigate
#

also won't stagger bosses but VoC will

verbal thistle
#

There are pros and cons for each ability and they can fit certain weapons or playstyle better

radiant frigate
#

^true fact

verbal thistle
#

Like bubble can compare to chorus

#

Nearly 1 to 1

#

But takes 3 points to work

radiant frigate
#

chorus is like a channeled mobile bubble

verbal thistle
#

An aoe, toughness regen, and stops ranged (suppression and damage immunity)

#

End of the day choose whatever you like

mental mulch
radiant frigate
#

even though i still mostly think chorus is just a worse voc

verbal thistle
#

But try the other abilities on all the classes with an open mind

radiant frigate
ripe obsidian
verbal thistle
uncut vale
mental mulch
#

Why is zealot so low

ripe obsidian
#

Poor Zealot

radiant frigate
#

intent unclear
cannot discern melee enjoyer or melee hater

verbal thistle
#

30 is barely scratching the surface. Keep playing and learning. Even at 4k hours myself I learn stuff everyday

ripe obsidian
#

And then we, in turn, learn things from Ainz

verbal thistle
#

Have fun and don't downplay the abilities

radiant frigate
#

yes very true

#

every one of them has a playstyle that works

mental mulch
#

Theres jokes for games being that 1k hour is finishing the tutorial

dull scroll
#

the one thing I learned is that these class abilities' impact are all ultimately determined by team skills

#

things like bubble/book not a huge diff in output between newbie and experienced players, where as things like exe, stealth..etc. new players taking them over say book/shout would be troll while players at the top would make much more impact with them

verbal thistle
#

I'd guess around 2k hours people can be "baseline" knowledge level

unborn flicker
#

Im just getting my ass kicked, theres not enough dodge or pushback in the world to deal with the amount of crushers that surround me

radiant frigate
unborn flicker
#

im too slow to run

#

and dont have enough toughness regen

verbal thistle
unborn flicker
#

Advice

radiant frigate
#

unless i can cash in my vermintime in addition to darktime

unborn flicker
#

I see havoc 40 pyskers

#

I wanna know how they do it

verbal thistle
#

There are some here

radiant frigate
#

practice and probably ds

dull scroll
#

the key lies in mobility

unborn flicker
#

Ive put almost 500 hours into psyker

radiant frigate
#

but mostly practice

ripe obsidian
dull scroll
#

gotta kite them, you stand your ground like people would in lower diff thinking you can just "tough it out" you going to get over ran and die then and there

radiant frigate
#

ds can probably kill an infinite amount of crushers

verbal thistle
radiant frigate
#

but you do need to be light on your feet

verbal thistle
#

Visual? Reading?

uncut vale
ripe obsidian
#

tbh I think the biggest sign of success in H40 is a team that knows where to fight as opposed to standing in the open and fighting wherever the horde happens to arrive

radiant frigate
verbal thistle
#

Teams that backup are sure signs of experienced players

unborn flicker
verbal thistle
#

I have a ton of psyker videos

uncut vale
radiant frigate
uncut vale
#

And by good, I mean tolerable to invest in.

verbal thistle
#

But probably non about fire staff

uncut vale
gray moss
#

tbh i wouldn't take this build into anything near havoc 20+

verbal thistle
#

If you just want videos to watch and see what people do to win in dire situations, then my channel can help. I have a lot of challenge videos in havoc 40

radiant frigate
verbal thistle
#

With a variety of builds and classes

#

Shameless self insert

unborn flicker
#

lol

#

Idc at this point

uncut vale
unborn flicker
#

Ill try anything

verbal thistle
#

Here is a psyker one

radiant frigate
#

zero shame ainz is epic

verbal thistle
#

Melee psyker in havoc 40

#

Look at where I stand and where I move when I hear things

unborn flicker
#

Does it show the build?

verbal thistle
#

In comments

#

Idk if this was pre talent change

#

I think it was

#

No

#

Post

unborn flicker
#

TY

verbal thistle
#

Also, understand that I made some choices in build stuff that help me the most

#

But that won't apply to all players

#

Just ask questions if you need

ripe obsidian
dull scroll
#

newbies playing fgs melee psyker is going to get themselves owned ๐Ÿ˜

uncut vale
#

I did have a question. Which of the staves are havoc viable? So far inferno hasn't let me down.

dull scroll
#

start with the most meta/braindead burga that 90% of the psykers play in havoc

verbal thistle
#

I spent my 1st 1000 levels on psyker playing melee

dull scroll
verbal thistle
#

Before crafting update

unborn flicker
#

ah

#

ty

verbal thistle
#

It helped me in learning how to play the game

verbal thistle
#

Prug and trauma's value skyrocket in higher diff

#

While strike and surge suffer more

#

But all 4 are very strong

ripe obsidian
#

In H40: Purgatus > Trauma > EK >>> Voidstrike

#

You can make Voidstrike work. It will be much harder than the other 3

uncut vale
#

I notice the build skips Mind in Motion, could I take it in exchange for Kinetic Resonance?

verbal thistle
#

Mind in motion benefit can be removed just by sliding

#

But up to you

uncut vale
#

Really? That easy? Fair enough.

verbal thistle
#

Sliding removes the movespeed debuff of quelling and charging staff

sterile steppe
#

What do you guys suggest for the Combat Axe? what Perks and blessings go on it?
And what Mk is a good one?

sterile steppe
buoyant maple
#

Hammer of the Emperor

sterile steppe
#

Why the Antax one.... can engore cleave targets?

#

is it just REALLY focused on one target?

buoyant maple
sterile steppe
#

?

buoyant maple
#

Doesnโ€™t make notable difference on how many enemies u can hit

sterile steppe
#

ah, i see.

#

It seems all the marks, are pretty close to each other, the damamge is the same across the board

buoyant maple
#

Rashad is best

verbal thistle
#

Then Rashad....

sterile steppe
#

oh, Rashad? I was looking at it as well, it seems to have wider swings, along with a good special single target swing.

#

Why unarmored? and not flak?

ripe obsidian
buoyant maple
#

Scab bruiser has 815 health and weakspot is unarmored

buoyant maple
#

I just think the class is unreasonably strong and unfun to play with

sterile steppe
#

What do you guys suggest with the Blaze Force Greatsword?

verbal thistle
#

Game mechanics were made to be interacted with

#

Then psyker exists....

sterile steppe
#

Also, I have one with a dump stat on Warp Resist, and one with Defenses dump stat.

verbal thistle
#

Warp res always

#

It actually helps you

sterile steppe
#

Why not defense? isnt it useless on alot of the melee ones?

verbal thistle
#

Since it'll increase the slash damage with the talent "warp rider"

buoyant maple
verbal thistle
#

Defense affects dodge

sterile steppe
verbal thistle
#

And why dump a minor buff when you actually get a buff by dumping warp

sterile steppe
#

And the 2 marks are...for one for more verticle and one for wider right?

#

the MK6, and the MK8.

buoyant maple
#

The mark doesnโ€™t matter that much, just moveset preference

zealous wing
#

mk6 is better

sterile steppe
#

What do you suggest for perks, and blessings?

zealous wing
#

big stab is significantly easier to access

#

carapace, unyielding, unstable power, then a preference blessing like wrath, shred, deflector, riposte, precog

mental mulch
#

Yeah, greatsword stab is great for strong enemies

#

And it still got enough cleave

verbal thistle
buoyant maple
verbal thistle
#

Why wrath, path?

#

Is it just for the cleaving heavies for mixed hordes?

sterile steppe
#

what about warp slice?

verbal thistle
#

Bad.....

zealous wing
#

no

#

nor blazing spirit

sterile steppe
#

and Murderous?

zealous wing
#

meh

sterile steppe
#

but seems, unstalbe power, is just too good, its a core?

zealous wing
#

20% strength is good, yes

buoyant maple
sterile steppe
#

wait, I see Wrath....is that good? especially on the MK6?

verbal thistle
#

No peril cleave with it?

#

Hmmm

#

But is that not against the idea of how the sword likes to fight. Poke single target, use special on horde

sterile steppe
#

For shred....chained hits, what does that mean?

zealous wing
#

hit something then hit it again

verbal thistle
#

Hitting enemies without missing

buoyant maple
sterile steppe
#

so, it can be diff targets, but you have to keep hitting right?

buoyant maple
#

See any blessing page for swords

sterile steppe
#

Precog, not as good as Riposte?

sterile steppe
buoyant maple
#

Thereโ€™s navigation panel on the right

verbal thistle
#

No need for overkill damage

ripe obsidian
strong gulch
#

Also FGS is not the fastest to hit.

#

As stated, psyker wants crits.

#

I can see running precog on DS, knife, or other fast hitting weapons. I'm a precog hater tho.

ripe obsidian
#

Down with precog!

wraith sphinx
#

Beneficient Emperor, strike Precog down!

radiant frigate
#

my divinations indicate that precog sucks

wraith sphinx
radiant frigate
pine tundra
#

Any advice for trying to get Auric Storm Survivor?
Using Flame Bubble w/ Greatsword

radiant frigate
pine tundra
radiant frigate
#

other than that i would not pair fgs with flamer

#

fgs is a weapon so juicy it wants to be the main focus of the build and flamer also wants to be the focus

#

both of these would prefer a more specialized sidearm to go with them

#

so you either drop one or the other imo

wraith sphinx
#

Fgs with laspistol or flame staff with 1h fs

radiant frigate
#

or flame staff with dueling sword

#

or knife

#

something mobile and/or uncanny

#

for fgs laspistol very good and so is reconlas (the fast one)

pine tundra
#

ok i'll swap the GS for dueling sword

radiant frigate
#

mind you this is not to say you can't play fgs flamer

#

but they do not compliment each other

marble crater
#

Flamers usually play knife with stealth I think

ornate hamlet
#

psyker stealth

#

I use the agri shotty with FGS

#

Probably my favourite gun on psyker, given that you can magdump it, snipe shit and use the slug to open bulwarks

#

Being able to stand in front of the "in my time" enemy to say "no, in my time" is priceless

hollow summit
ornate hamlet
#

poorgatoos

wraith sphinx
#

Yesterday was the only appropriate day of the year to use the purg staff

hollow summit
#

is the flame stick dot soulblaze or is it something else entirely

#

it looks similar

dull scroll
tulip kettle
#

Yes it's soulblaze

hollow summit
#

cool

tulip kettle
#

Also holy shit I read through the entire last 7 hours of discourse

wraith sphinx
#

Why

tulip kettle
#

Because six pinged me then and I'm still in bed scrolling

wraith sphinx
#

Oh ic

tulip kettle
#

I should make psyker chat bingo

wraith sphinx
#

Yea

#

I wish I was still in bed

tulip kettle
#

smite discourse

#

psyker too weak

ornate hamlet
#

I do not join smite discourse, as I am extremely prejudiced

tulip kettle
#

psyker OP

#

someone doesn't know who ainz is

marble crater
wraith sphinx
#

Ainz fans when zwai shows up

wraith sphinx
tulip kettle
#

I played my annual arb game yesterday

#

And people say PSYKER ignores game mechanics?

#

Oh look, a bulwarks + crushers kill squad... Be a shame if someone were to...

wraith sphinx
#

Fwiw I don't even know what constitutes ignoring game mechanics

strong gulch
#

Boom them away.

tulip kettle
#

Things like positioning, target prioritisation, correct dodge usage, correct block usage, correct ability usage, etc

#

OR THAT

deft stump
tulip kettle
#

at least bigbadaboom is somewhat limited and not on a 12 sec cd >.>

marble crater
#

I never manage my dodges and I'm doing just fine

deft stump
tulip kettle
deft stump
ornate hamlet
#

Fuck correct dodge usage

#

Just spam it and then start pushing a bit more when it runs out

radiant frigate
wraith sphinx
#

I'll see if I can slap one rn actually

wraith sphinx
#

@radiant frigate @tulip kettle @ripe obsidian How's this?

marble crater
#

Trauma barrel was fixed, maybe change it for Trauma ruins toughness regen of melee characters? KEKW_ogryn

acoustic jacinth
#

Amazing. But precog being made fun of? Why i oughta angymorrow

acoustic jacinth
wraith sphinx
acoustic jacinth
#

Be afraid of my lobby

#

You will fly

wraith sphinx
#

Even I still do it on accident from time to time

#

Now that I'm generally okay at the game trauma barreling is pretty much the only time I get justifiably flamed in chat

acoustic jacinth
#

I feel like i'm still too careless to do otherwise, but hell, even if i squinted and tryharded there's just too much density and too much shit happening for me to worry about the local zealot fotf-ing into the horde

#

Like, cmon, you're zealot you can tank it anyways

wraith sphinx
#

we do play the game, after all (allegedly)

radiant frigate
#

allegedly..

marble crater
#

I have never seen Kat play the game

radiant frigate
#

it's true i do not play the game

marble crater
#

Now show the last time you played

radiant frigate
#

(fake news my mouse double clicked and launched it for a split second as i was going for the first screenshot)

marble crater
radiant frigate
#

i have been playing rogue trader

#

(still melee psyker though)

#

though i also quite enjoy yrliet

#

(she's supposed to be weird and different but i find her relatable)

dull scroll
#

the elf doesn't like to be physically touched

radiant frigate
#

but i'm sure the other elf doesn't mind

dull scroll
#

๐Ÿ˜

radiant frigate
#

he does not seem to enjoy shitposting however

night marten
wispy bay
#

If you can't hit half the hp bar after emptying out, then you are not going to do it faster.

fair crag
#

lighting staff good?

radiant frigate
#

Yes

wraith sphinx
#

I think so yeah

#

Definitely my least fave staff though

fair crag
#

if im using lighting ability what staff should i use?