psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

416 damage from a crusher overhead, 2x toughness damage, full health spillover

[mental mulch]

oof

[ripe obsidian]

+bonuses from havoc damage increases

[mental mulch]

spillover stinky

[ripe obsidian]

Mauler is 300 damage and the same properties

And they aren't blockable without perfect block talents or, like, the Oggy shield

Oh, and in Havoc you take a % of all melee damage as corruption

So an overhead doesn't just knock you down. It does enough corruption to instakill in most situations

TL;DR: overheads scary

[plucky flax]

Wtf

[ripe obsidian]

You tell me

I can't read it

[cedar delta]

is this build good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxSu--v9AY

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax

[spice aurora]

If its agentchaos its good

[ripe obsidian]

It probably is. I didn't look.

AgentChaos is reliable for builds

[plucky flax]

No its trash that guy did no damagw

[ripe obsidian]

Barely 2.7m damage

A real psyker does 4.5m minimum

[plucky flax]

Tru

That build is approved by someone catfished into cross dressing by the emperor so its good

[ripe obsidian]

Should I update the link in the bonanza to this video?

[deft stump]

Unless you run extremely niche loadouts.

Sus.

Strays can be very clean. The ones at the void deck here are. They actually clean themselves.

[ripe obsidian]

It's just a cat. Why sus?

[deft stump]

Looked like a possum.

[ripe obsidian]

Just a possumy cat

With a possum face and a possum tail

[deft stump]

Thus, sus.

[ripe obsidian]

I did not pet the possum-cat

Only the cat-cat

[deft stump]

Okay.

You did set an note on phone to restock, right?

[ripe obsidian]

Restock cat food? Yeah.

I just keep cat food in my car so I can feed meows or other animals as needed. I started when I found some orphaned baby raccoons and needed to lure them into a carrier so I could take them to a wildlife rehab place.

I need to start keeping cat food in my work backpack too, since I bike to work.

[plucky flax]

I think its the same build not sure. I have 3 burga videos this patch only the first one is outdated. Can do it just to be sure i guess

[ripe obsidian]

Is your call

[deft stump]

Is cat food more platable for more animals than dog food?

[plucky flax]

Is cool I dont want you to make an effort

[ripe obsidian]

No idea, honestly. But I don't have dogs at this point in my life, so cat food is on hand

[ripe obsidian]

I have already made an effort. This guide is like 130 pages long

I am on my laptop right now, which is realllllly not meant for gaming (it has a 1650m or something GPU). I have ~35 FPS in the Mourningstar on the lowest settings.

Oof.

[plucky flax]

Bruh moment

I play on laptop when travelling

[ripe obsidian]

I rarely travel.

[plucky flax]

It sucks ass

[ripe obsidian]

If I traveled more, I would get a more powerful laptop.

[plucky flax]

The worst thing is the small screen

Im so blind

[deft stump]

I get as low as 20 on below low. I think is just DT.

[plucky flax]

Worse than console

[deft stump]

I suppose most animals don't complain if they get safe edible food.

[deft stump]

I'm pretty sure my specs is around or higher than ps5 though. I know is likely higher than the Xbox.

So kark do I know.

[plucky flax]

Optimised for console or something

[ripe obsidian]

Or

Fatshark is using a weird engine that no one is very good at

And the people who are good at it have a) left the company or b) work on Vermintide

I wonder if my laptop will burst into flame if I try to load into a mission

[plucky flax]

Try lower than lowest setting

[ripe obsidian]

Usually they're suspicious of me. I try not to feed wild animals unless I think it's absolutely necessary. It's a bit different for cats, though, since they're largely domesticated. I saw a super scrawny, dirty young kitty like a week ago that I tried to catch, but I didn't have food on me and she ran away.

I hope she's okay. She didn't look well.

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe. I don't feel like installing mods at the moment.

[deft stump]

Cats are not domesticated, they just pretend to be for benefits.

[deft stump]

Uprising might be fine.

Auric, and you fry eggs on your laptop.

[ripe obsidian]

Yum, eggs

Yuuuuuuup, it's a slideshow

[deft stump]

Even uprising?

Rip.

[ripe obsidian]

It showed like 25-30 FPS, but it felt lower

[deft stump]

That is just DT. You can see below 40. Vsync won't save you.

I just know when it dips below 20.

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe this laptop can run VT2

hmmmm

[deft stump]

Less spawns, better coded.

[ripe obsidian]

I am beginning to believe the people who coded the engine for VT2 left before DT released.

Or they just refuse to work on DT for some reason.

[deft stump]

XD

[gentle grove]

Hi, does anyone know if Voidblast Force Staff is any good against rotten armour modifier?

[ripe obsidian]

It is better than most things.

Voidblast does Explosive damage on RMB rather than Ranged or Melee, so it ignores the damage resist.

Also, it knocks 'em over.

[spice aurora]

Depends on the dog and the type of food (am a vet)

[ripe obsidian]

Then you know more than me about this. I just like helping animals.

[spice aurora]

Do you have any wildlife rehab areas around

That is extremely fulfilling xD (was my first experience and made me do wildlife for a few yrs)

[deft stump]

Finnish Spitz, we feed the goober anything from pork pate to boiled chimkin breast.

[ripe obsidian]

Back when I was helping the raccoons, yes. I have sinced moved to a different state.

[spice aurora]

Nice xD raccoons are so funny

[spice aurora]

Yea those guys just kinda eat whatever ngl xD

[deft stump]

Even if she is mildly allergic to chicken, she will still try to steal it.

[ripe obsidian]

Raccoons are goofuses. I had to pull over laughing once because I saw three of the fattest raccoons I have ever seen tumble one after the other out of a dumpster.

[deft stump]

Think itching, about the same I have for maybe beef. So really don't care much.

[spice aurora]

Usually chicken is the allergy xD

[deft stump]

Not for me.

[ripe obsidian]

I typically keep my distance from wild animals, though, unless they're significantly in need of help and I can provide it without endangering myself in a serious way.

So, like, the raccoons I wore thick boots, had welder's gloves on, surgical mask, etc.

[deft stump]

I just get clawed by kittens trying to feed them.

[spice aurora]

Yea that’s the ethical thing, just leave em be most of the time

[ripe obsidian]

I don't particularly want to get bitten by scared baby raccoons

In this case, the poor babies were huddled next to their dead mother on the side of the road. They were there for over 24 hours.

[deft stump]

They were on the thin side so assuming mama couldn't find enough. They are now adults so heh.

[ripe obsidian]

They ended up at the wildlife rehab center. I don't know the outcome past that point.

Poor things.

[deft stump]

Road accident?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

Lots of woods where I lived at that point, lots of very bad drivers.

[spice aurora]

I have a picture somewhere of a raccoon in a kennel and I called him not so sly cooper

[deft stump]

Ah... sadly. Probably just speeding without care.

[ripe obsidian]

He did not succeed that mission.

[spice aurora]

Right xD

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Roadkill is far too common around there. It always broke my heart. I mean, I feel bad if I hit bugs while driving. Is one of the reasons I try to bike when possible.

[deft stump]

I know, worse if they (animals) had children of their own.

[ripe obsidian]

Have you heard of passenger pigeons?

[deft stump]

You mean those that fly into glass?

[ripe obsidian]

No, passenger pigeons are extinct.

[deft stump]

Mail ones?

[ripe obsidian]

They were the most populous bird in North America for a while. Then Europeans showed up. And they just hunted and hunted and hunted the birds because, well, "There are more"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon#Hunting

The notion that the species could be driven to extinction was alien to the early colonists, because the number of birds did not appear to diminish, and also because the concept of extinction was yet to be defined. The bird seems to have been slowly pushed westward after the arrival of Europeans, becoming scarce or absent in the east, though there were still millions of birds in the 1850s. The population must have been decreasing in numbers for many years, though this went unnoticed due to the apparent vast number of birds, which clouded their decline.[57] In 1856 Bénédict Henry Révoil may have been one of the first writers to voice concern about the fate of the passenger pigeon, after witnessing a hunt in 1847:

Everything leads to the belief that the pigeons, which cannot endure isolation and are forced to flee or to change their way of living according to the rate at which North America is populated by the European inflow, will simply end by disappearing from this continent, and, if the world does not end this before a century, I will wager ... that the amateur of ornithology will find no more wild pigeons, except those in the Museums of Natural History.[57]

The same almost happened to North American bison

[deft stump]

Oh. You know humans are the worst species for a reason.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't disagree. But I bring it up because this is how people in the area I grew up in viewed animals like deer and raccoons.

There are always more! Hitting one with your car doesn't matter.

=|

[deft stump]

Worst are the ones who hunt for sport/horns/antlers/stuff.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[deft stump]

Like, at least make use of as much of the game you can.

[deft stump]

Worst part, there are humans who think that way about other humans.

[spice aurora]

Our doggies at the north pole xD

[deft stump]

Very reckless driving is crowded areas.

[deft stump]

Sled goobers!

[spice aurora]

Not actually mine but I just checked them out

Beefy dogs

[deft stump]

Some ppl say dogs are fat when heavy... sometimes is just muscle weight.

[ripe obsidian]

"If you're cold, they're cold. Bring them inside."

I am pretty sure the dogs in the picture above would dig their way through the wall if you tried to keep them inside when it's snowy out.

[deft stump]

More, if they want in and are behaved, let them in.

If they want or prefer outside, let them be.

[ripe obsidian]

I was mostly making a joke about huskies

Huskies love snow and are incredibly stubborn

[deft stump]

Eh, would say depends on the individual.

[ripe obsidian]

In my experience, I have never met a husky who wasn't stubborn

And who didn't love snow

They're goofy dogs

[deft stump]

Most doggos are goofy though.

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtu.be/EBGqKwWhrOQ?si=qLAdQzGTAb33KL4M

[spice aurora]

They adore the snow, crackheads r built to work all day

The alpha of the pack

[ripe obsidian]

So floffy

I love them

[spice aurora]

Working dogs are my favorite xD

I need to flood the appropriate channel with animals

[deft stump]

Floof.

[lusty compass]

I was gonna post in general chat buuut it’s too people out there. So! I wanna make more friends that play darktide. Cause I’m finally not complete trash at the game. >.>

Hex and Dom say I don’t need to babysat anymore it’s more like toddler sitting. If that helps. So I guess if you ever wanna play with just silly vibes and minor moments of babysitting >.> let me know.

Oh and sometimes I’m pretty funny.

[strong gulch]

You're funny every time I listen to or play with you. 🫡

[lusty compass]

If I could fawkin emote I would heart this!!! But I clearly do not talk enough in text

XD

[strong gulch]

See? Funny.

Grey jail

[lusty compass]

Is that fun jail? Oh I should have said I’m baby psyker!!

Damn

[strong gulch]

You really are getting better at the game.

Gnight btw 😴

[lusty compass]

Night night!

[zealous wing]

you're running aurics with us with fewer and fewer downs/deaths as time goes on, absolutely getting better

[atomic flicker]

how does poxburster explosion aoe interact with bubble shield and deflector?

[cold ivy]

i'm 80% sure it's not blockable by either

[atomic flicker]

yeah same im mixed about it cause it seems inconsistent

cause ive been hit by the aoe in havoc 40 scaling while i have my shield up and blocking

and it somehow only knocked me back and took some of my toughness

whereas a hit on the same game (non direct) took me down

[atomic flicker]

without blocking

or bubble shield

[fierce crest]

Psyker does have variable toughness DR

Could be temp buffs from allies as well

[deft stump]

If you have gold, it totally will eat it first as well.

[queen radish]

Should flamestaff psyker be nerfed in you guys' opinion?

[modest perch]

no

theres no such thing as balance. its a fantasy

and if these balancedbrained nerds had their way wed back to the day 1 talents tree

[queen radish]

I watched a video of someone asking for the Plasma Gun to be nerfed, and then I thought about the flamestaff.

[marble crater]

Buff everything else to a similar level as Inferno, and then make the game harder afterwards

[queen radish]

I don't think it's comparable, but, it's a slippery slope.

None of it matters at my level seeing as I'm trash, but.

[modest perch]

the moment anything is remotely good some idiot wants it nerfed and then every other idiot starts repeating it and it snowballs into a big pile of idiocy

[queen radish]

Idk what the state of the Plasma Gun is atm even, the video was quite old.

[modest perch]

ppl wouldnt shut up about the rumbler and it eventually stopped even though nothing happened to it

omg u turned red congrats

plasma is still plasma. its been good. although im not a great historian for it cus i dont play a ton of vet

[deft stump]

It's still busted, but with how BS modifiers are becoming... Starts to be eh.

[modest perch]

lol its rly not

[deft stump]

It is, if our baseline is damnation.

If we throw out havoc.

[modest perch]

lmao

[queen radish]

I mean. Lest the game become too easy. I care about that. I'm not top at this game, but I have been in other games and when the balance is too whack, so becomes the game.

[modest perch]

it kinda tickles melee elites

it relies entirely on its weird bounce/delayed detonation being close enough to specials to kill them

its blast radius is only good in comparison to the grenade gauntlets

and sorta spamming it requires a pretty enormous sacrifice to invest into lucky bullet

[dull scroll]

let me put it this way, if it's so OP you ever seen anyone out there complete a 40 solo with it?

[modest perch]

the creature can have some uranium as a treat

[fiery stratus]

Cats can have little uranium

[deft stump]

And if you do so, it does clear better than most other oggy ranged. The only main issue is extreme range.

[queen radish]

I never have, but to be fair, I haven’t seen much of anything. I’m a noob.

[dull scroll]

OOOOOOKAY

[plucky flax]

Its op

[brazen compass]

A dubious little creature causing mischief....

ughh the creature is demonic in nature; Very icky, no good.

[wraith sphinx]

how tf can someone grinchmaxx this hard on christmas eve on darktide

and why people ignore kick votes 😭

[radiant frigate]

merry sanguinala to all my siblings

[wraith sphinx]

and to you too kat 😺

[robust violet]

What are some good/fun weapons other than the staffs to pair with a force greatsword?

[marble crater]

Reconlas or Vraks and be a Gunker

[acoustic jacinth]

i like bistol or laspistol for special/sniper tool

since well, if fgs is the focus

meleeker moment

[night marten]

Not at the pc to test, can assail benefit from stacking rending with uncanny?

[radiant frigate]

no

used to but not anymore

[night marten]

Lame, ty

[zealous wing]

millionth kill was a burgle as well

fitting

[strong gulch]

Congrats! 🎉

You got it.

This must be why I suddenly woke up.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-kenobi-disturbance-in-the-force-star-wars-jedi-gif-10444289

[marble crater]

That's pretty good for a week of playing

[wraith sphinx]

SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[wispy bay]

You get it so quick!

I know some people do it with solo mod playing auric, abusing the objective infinite spawn, but I don't think that you do.

[night marten]

Im only at ~150k, 1M seems like such a long ways

[acoustic jacinth]

i thought mods like that disabled progression tbh

[mental rock]

Yeah true solo mod is offline play only

Maybe he means mmt

[zealous wing]

took me about 4 months to snag in total

a lot of auric/h40 attempts mixed in, but ye no cheeses

[pure plinth]

a weapon such as the inferno staff which has infinite cleave, so that it may kill large swaths of enemies even through other enemies, makes the challenge a bit more bearable

its just that can you stand playing with the inferno staff for so long

[zealous wing]

i can, and did, but tbh i did most of it, about 700k or so, without inferno

1mil seems daunting but focus on higher content with higher density and itll go faster than if you stay in damnation or lower

but also,

[night marten]

I've always loved the purg staff, was an early evangelist of it on release (it wasn't obvious to most how soulblaze stacks worked, and how soulblaze+shriek+warp charges synergized). still my go-to build for try hard stuff, though I've been having fun experimenting with assail, and probably going to put a set together focused on fgs

[thorn cedar]

Rookie numbers

[zealous wing]

dont worry, its been 5 months, i've got time to unrookie them

[thorn cedar]

There wasn't really much else to do on launch Psyker granted. And at the same time the game didn't really have enough density/difficulty to really necessitate a flame staff.

[night marten]

for sure, though that depended on having a team that could pull their weight 🙃
I don't remember what "KO" stoof for and if it's still a thing, is this something we can still do? #psyker-class message (fixed link). *oh I think that was "kinetic overload"

[atomic flicker]

naw, it was just normal toughness

[atomic flicker]

things should be buffed to be brought to inferno staff and plasma levels, not nerf things that people likes down to the level of bad/niche weapons

MERRY CHRISTMAS, SIBLINGS

[wraith walrus]

Unfortunately the game engine is being pushed to its limit and fat shark has invested next to nothing in optimization. Therefore they cannot increase difficulty by increasing enemy counts, only by turning all enemies into bullet sponges and nerfing all weapons into the ground

[ripe obsidian]

Merry Christmas yourself

I have found an important image for my Arby doggo builds

[grim tree]

would you run voidblast staff or inferno with sciers gaze?

[wraith walrus]

That's a trick question. Electro kinetic. Or better yet, no staff at all. (Void blast isn't a bad synergy with crit)

[grim tree]

If no staff then something like recon lasgun?

[wraith walrus]

Try to find something that would benefit more from finesse and crit. IMO las pistol out performs any other las weapon

[verbal thistle]

yes

las pistol loves crit

funny note

its the highest base crit weapon in the game

at 15%

[grim tree]

what mark?

[verbal thistle]

2

10 only only shines on vet

[wind spruce]

Is combat blade 12.5% like shivs? I have a very vague memory of it being 15%

[verbal thistle]

somewhere between 10-15

[thorn cedar]

arent knives also 15%

that's what i always told myself anyway

[strong gulch]

knife used to be 15%. Was it lowered?

idk about shives

I think I saw that it's the same as knive, but that could be wrong

[thorn cedar]

shivs are 10% to account for scum having 10% base

also my understanding

[verbal thistle]

shives are 12.5 base

scum is 10

so 22.5% with knives

shiv

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast + SG is good. Ainz runs it. Inferno + SG also works, but I rarely use it.

[spice aurora]

Laspistol sprint speed +0.89 is I think the highest too

[ripe obsidian]

Zoooooooom

@icy breach why are you arguing with people in Scum chat? 90% of them started playing like a month ago.

[patent jacinth]

(most of the argument is thousand hour players)

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know what the argument is about tbh. I just wanted to be sassy

[icy breach]

Its content; also someone has to do the teaching - otherwise some ppl never learn (atleats some are willing to listen & they improve; i like helping ppl whoa re willing to talk & improve - makes me happy when a man types again & states he had improved gameplay for the better end)

[patent jacinth]

The 7 stacks toxin on stimm crate subnode

[icy breach]

i respect sassyness

[ripe obsidian]

Oh. It seems decent enough if you have the 5 second duration node. I don't use it, personally, but I can see the value.

[patent jacinth]

Its just kinda ehh

7 stacks is one needler shot

Its a small radius

[marble crater]

Merry Christmas Siblings

[patent jacinth]

Large fuse time

Highly positioning dependent

[ripe obsidian]

I agree with these statements.

[patent jacinth]

And the buffs it gives might just let you kill everything there

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think it's trolling to pick it, but I also think there are better uses for the talent point

[patent jacinth]

Yeah

Its decent

But it has a case of the Terminus Warrant

Overcomplicated to use when you could just

Throw 2 blinders

Or a chem nade

[ripe obsidian]

I do not disagree

I always just take the other two stimm supply subnodes

[icy breach]

15 sec dur when you step out of radius is great; step once & you dont need to just sit there

[ripe obsidian]

Yup. I agree.

Is so nice on blight spreads maps

[zealous wing]

trauma, yes, inferno, meh

especially rending trauma on scriers, real good

[ripe obsidian]

You're a rending trauma

[zealous wing]

:(

[night marten]

was disappointed to see fgs doesn't have uncanny strike :\

[patent jacinth]

Doesn't really need it

Its like .65 vs carapace

[ripe obsidian]

FGS demolishes crushers without uncanny

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/622281b0c035959d2a1e3e9108712515672d26f9/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L546

Looks like 0.75 on both heavies

[zinc phoenix]

Well it is a fuckin great sword

Thank god they won’t let the other classes touch my baby 🙏

I hope next we get a new staff that has interesting interactions with peril/corruption and gives you a really good reason to run crystalline will

[half pebble]

i feel like seer psyker loves christmas

[zinc phoenix]

Not as much as enforcer psyker

[ripe obsidian]

It's a fantastic sword, even.

[half pebble]

oh shit yes

i feel like loner is a scrooge in that they think they dont like christmas but they would love it if they had anyone to celebrate with

[zinc phoenix]

Enforcer psyker loves Christmas with the boys, she gets some grimnuts and grimfee and stays out all night on a stakeout quoting diehard

In the grimderp future of the 41st millennium they still watch diehard because in 38 thousand years nobody can make a better Christmas movie

[half pebble]

THANK YOU

so true

[zinc phoenix]

“This Nakamura tower hive is very small”

“Look at the enforcer crawling through the vents while the arbites wait outside crying!”

Real and true 40k years later 🙏

[ripe obsidian]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ULaNvmjZWxg

[mint fox]

i dont really see the appeal of the electro staff

the charged attack seems fairly weak, and doesnt really do crowd control

whats it for

[verbal thistle]

single target + stagger

and if built correctly its the best sniper staff

[mint fox]

sniper?

[verbal thistle]

ranged single target

left click is powerful

right click is for auto aim and armor damage and stagger

[mint fox]

isnt it the same for all staffs

[verbal thistle]

no

[mint fox]

uh

[verbal thistle]

purg staff doesnt have the same m1

other 3 do

but surge staff has the highest crit chance

[strong gulch]

RMB is great at specials and softer elites that proc all of the things for SB and Shriek spams.

[verbal thistle]

which plays into its blessings (surge)

[strong gulch]

LMB is great as a gun replacement.

[mint fox]

sorry i dont know whats rmb and lmb

[verbal thistle]

left mouse

right mouse

[mint fox]

oh

[strong gulch]

LMB specifically on EK.

[ripe obsidian]

LMB is left mouse, RMB is right mouse. LMB is the pewpew, RMB is the zap.

[mint fox]

i thought they were somehow acronyms for the staffs

[strong gulch]

because EK has crit bonus

[ripe obsidian]

EK's RMB is also STILL BUGGED and doesn't do proper crit damage.

:(

[strong gulch]

sad

[ripe obsidian]

It's a one-line change of code. Fatshark, pls.

[strong gulch]

too hard

[verbal thistle]

it took them how long to change PoTS?

[ripe obsidian]

Years?

[verbal thistle]

iirc like 6 months

it was added like after crafting update

with the minor tree change

then only fixed when havoc 2.0

[ripe obsidian]

Aggravating.

[verbal thistle]

something like that

[mint fox]

i mainly use brain blast for single target damage, guess i’ll stick with void staff

[verbal thistle]

go for it

[mint fox]

cant remember if vs is the one on the ground or if thats vb

[verbal thistle]

trauma

voidblast

[mint fox]

yeah i dont like vb

[ripe obsidian]

VB is the kersplosion, VS is the bowling ball

[strong gulch]

not confusing at all

[ripe obsidian]

Bowling ball is more fun. Kersplosion is stronger. Alas.

[strong gulch]

never confused anyone ever

it's totally very clear

fatshark should change more names to have void

you know.. for clarity

[mint fox]

really wish weapons had names that were more distinct, i can understand having a force great sword and a force sword but vb and vs is ridiculous, they even look so similar

[verbal thistle]

Voidlighting

[wispy bay]

Void blaze

[verbal thistle]

Voidfire

[mint fox]

void autogun

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike, Voidblast, Voidflame, Voidshock.

[verbal thistle]

real

https://imgur.com/NwxzGr6

[strong gulch]

voidblast used to be called trauma

[mint fox]

damn

thats better

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[strong gulch]

but then it was changed for clarity and to avoid confusion

[mint fox]

trauma staff does sound silly tho

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna carry my 20 FPS ass through a couple low difficulty missions so I can get weeklies finished? :D I need like 2 more wins and 200 more melee kills.

[strong gulch]

also gun names got swapped around

[wispy bay]

Sure

I just turned my game on for a few games.

[strong gulch]

I can in like 20-ish minutes

[mint fox]

i dread the day i’ll need to check between the 20 autoguns whenever i play vet

thankfully i can just ignore ammo with the psyker #best class

[ripe obsidian]

I will die a lot. Game is a slideshow. I can try to install the lower than low graphics mod to get better performance

[wispy bay]

Laptop gaming? Not at home?

[mint fox]

oh hey im laptop gaming as well

tho i am cheating about that since i use cloud gaming service

[wispy bay]

I have a laptop, too, but mostly for travel.

[mint fox]

im poor

[ripe obsidian]

Traveling for holidays, and my laptop has a 1650ti. So, uh, struggles with the miracle of optimization that is darktide

[wispy bay]

Dont worry, I have a 3070 laptop and it still struggles.

[ripe obsidian]

Is this the right mod for lower graphics @deft stump ?

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/236

[wispy bay]

I bought that like 3-4 years ago on big boxing day discount.

[ripe obsidian]

I got mine used from a random company selling old stuff to buy new hardware

Needed a new laptop but didn't want to pay much

[deft stump]

I don't use mods. I .ini edit.

I guess it does the same, lul.

[ripe obsidian]

You are too powerful for me

[deft stump]

That mod just makes it idiotproof.

[wispy bay]

I will take a warm up game while waiting for you.

[deft stump]

Is just DT.

Roll a D100 every time you wanna play.

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I have installed the mod and set everything as low as possible.

Mod seems to have given me another 10 FPS, give or take

[wispy bay]

Im currently on my desktop.

Though, my desktop is DDR4 ram vs DDR5 on laptop... So technically, my laptop is more powerful.

[deft stump]

You take what you can.

Also, drop mesh quality to 1.

Biggest fps difference dropping from 3 to 1.5.

[ripe obsidian]

My mesh quality is 0.5 :D

[deft stump]

Oh.

Lul.

[ripe obsidian]

Is good, for I am idiot

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian just about ready

[ripe obsidian]

Okeydokey. We are in a trench mission, so should be quick

[deft stump]

It just does it for you. XD

[wispy bay]

Trying out ganger with combat shotgun

[quartz barn]

this reminds me of something a bunch a friends of mine would do in destiny

since turning down shadows still had them visible at the very minimum they deleted just deleted the files

gave an edge in pvp

but one of the later raids has a mechanic that shows a pattern thats only visible if you have your shadows on...

[deft stump]

Naw, I just did what that mod can do. Just manually.

[quartz barn]

so one of them was just lost for a solid hour because they had no clue what everyone was talking about

[strong gulch]

yay

[deft stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390132903383662815/1451311951748792420/image.png?ex=694da015&is=694c4e95&hm=c20903d9d3cc4c29f69760959b14e8f20e295d5ce9bf356f01f4bcf12c5418a8& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390132903383662815/1451313644175626462/image.png?ex=694da1a8&is=694c5028&hm=43e4f8cd1a597c0ce0d298c6c4ef167045e690198aaad5f304a3d7674c3d954e& This is what my game now looks like. Much more clearer.

That's just a standard warren run basically.

[ripe obsidian]

Dropped to ~20 FPS in hordes. Which was unfortunate, because I could not clutch at 20 FPS in a crusher horde.

[wispy bay]

It is ok, we had some hoarder...

[deft stump]

Is very brutal. I know.

[mighty shuttle]

Imagine if fatshark changed the ammo pickup to be caliber/weapon specific

"You use heavy bolter? Sorry no bolters here, just 500 autogun rounds"

It takes 10 seconds animation to sift through a chest full of ammo and if you get hit or shot once your animation is interrupted

[ripe obsidian]

Ah, the RDR2 approach to looting.

[modest perch]

the tarkov approach to looting

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

I got my melee kills. I just need 2 wins to finish weeklies

Then I will probably do VT2 or Minecraft

[strong gulch]

repo

[deft stump]

What about other classes?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't want to subject myself to this more. D:

I just had the 2 wins left for weeklies already

I am sure it will quickly go from amusing to frustrating

[deft stump]

True.

[ripe obsidian]

also the slideshow nature is kind of headache inducing

[white willow]

I started to play this patch is that changed this patch ?

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet

[cosmic sigil]

Merry xmas lads and ladettes

[strong gulch]

Same and happy holidays to the GNCs, they thems, anys, and the "do not percive me"s.

[zinc phoenix]

I identify as a Ludd

[cosmic sigil]

Luddite

[ripe obsidian]

Nah. I'm just playing on a lower power laptop and Darktide is badly optimized even on good hardware

[austere stump]

Psyker nerfs when?

[strong gulch]

not until more SG buffs for some reason

[austere stump]

Soulblaze stacks for attacks during Scrier's Gaze and an arbitrary unnecessary nerf to Zealot would be nice

[night marten]

guessing quietitude doesn't work if you're already capped on peril (e.g. when using SG) *and generating more peril

[austere stump]

Crack of Bone for Quietude during Scrier's

[night marten]

yea but I'm trying to keep peril super high all the time for a silly melee build

[verbal thistle]

using gaze by itself is often enough to warrent using Quietude

[austere stump]

Warp Expenditure and Mettle should be plenty

[verbal thistle]

because it quells 50% and then starting gaining peril

[night marten]

I didn't read, makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

SG now gives soulblaze on hit (ranged and melee), causes enemies to be knocked back if they hit you, grants you unlimited ammo for the duration, and increases melee range by 100%

[ripe obsidian]

It did briefly. Does not anymore.

[austere stump]

Why not? Plasma Gun exists.

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma gun isn't really the metric for OP at this point, imo

It's a great special sniping weapon, don't get me wrong, but there are more OP things

[austere stump]

I was just being dramatic.

Gaze needs nerfs

[ripe obsidian]

Nerfs? For Gaze?

You jest.

Just for that, Ex Stance loses toughness regen.

[modest perch]

i have a better idea

psychic arsonist : gain 1/% dr for every enemy with soulblaze. also double ranges of the staff

[ripe obsidian]

Very good. Very good. Gaze isn't doing enough for Inferno. Gotta fix that.

[modest perch]

just to play devils advocate but id counter that plasma is more useful than its ever been simply due to the volume of specials

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma is very strong, and it is very useful. But compared with myriad other things in the game, I think it's not that OP.

I mean, we're in a timeline where Ogryn has ended up as maybe a top 4 class without any real balance changes from when they were on top (that I can recall, at least). This is silly.

[modest perch]

i mean almost doubling the health of scab melee elites is hardly "not a real balance change"

its a fat and hard nerf to the anti armor melee frontline class

[ripe obsidian]

I was thinking to Ogryn itself

Increasing enemy HP does count. Wasn't considering that

[modest perch]

might as well have been a direct nerf to ogryn

since that was where the class excelled

[ripe obsidian]

That is fair

I think the current class ranking is probably Psyker > Scum > Vet > Oggy > Arby > Zealot. Maybe swap Arby and Zealot, but probably not.

[modest perch]

like the pick feels gutless and i honestly cant stand playing it havoc anymore. like i look for any excuse to take another class in

idk if id put zealot on the bottom tbh. it seems a bit overhated ?

[zealous wing]

it still one shots bosses, so

[modest perch]

yea i guess but its kinda gimmicky

[zealous wing]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

To me, it feels like Scum does everything Zealot does, but better. Minus the boss one-bops and I guess golden toughness.

[zealous wing]

but if youre trying not to put it at the bottom, id say that makes it more useful than vet

[modest perch]

if anything id put ogryn at the bottom

[zealous wing]

i hate playing vet the most, simply because everything else has some use somewhere, i'd put vet at the very bottom personally

[modest perch]

it took until now for ppl to realize the nuke is comically underpowered and the box of nades might as well be a box of firecrackers

[zealous wing]

rock is the true choice

i cant think of anything vet is ACTUALLY better at than any other class

anything they're supposed to be good at, i seldom ever see people do anyway

[ripe obsidian]

Cracking crushers.

Golden toughness

Sniping specials

[zealous wing]

psykers, zealots

[modest perch]

overall utility

[zealous wing]

zealot

[zealous wing]

everything with a gun

[ripe obsidian]

I disagree that Psyker is better at Crushers and Zealots are better at golden toughness.

[modest perch]

dude theres only a few guns that can cleave thru shit to hit netters

so trv

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma cleave and ability to one-bop is unmatched

[zealous wing]

can a single vet kill 30 crushers in 30 seconds like a psyker can?

[modest perch]

while it is very satisfying to stab a crusher in his stupid head with the bfg the vet can just delete a pile of em at range

and zealots gold toughness requires them to stand around for a while larping as the exorcist

although i suppose that is countered by their superior cdr

[zealous wing]

i never actually found this an issue, tbh, i prefer the extra safety for a res honestly

its the perfect amount of time to get a res in, ESPECIALLY if you run any revive speed

[modest perch]

its by no means a bad ability

but its utility is inversely proportional to how often its used

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

Kraks + power sword.

[modest perch]

id love to see that

[zealous wing]

same, i'd love to see a vet deal with crushers as fast as an inferno can

[modest perch]

like id love to see 30 crushers in a live fire environment

[zealous wing]

bonus if theres also ragers/maulers mixed in

[zealous wing]

rotten armour havoc

[modest perch]

cus the most ive ever seen was when spawnfeed notified me crusher spawned x24 n that was in og havoc

anyone know if special tracker can tell u how many elites are alive ? i dont use it cus clutter

[ripe obsidian]

A good veteran can 2-shot a crusher with Power Sword, I believe. Maybe 3 shot now. Would have to ask @buoyant maple

And kraks will take out 2-3 at a time instantly

[eager knoll]

skullmaxxing

[verbal thistle]

depends on crits and agile engagement

[verbal thistle]

2 if yes

[eager knoll]

[zealous wing]

in the rot h40 i ran with dom and agent the caravan of rotten crushers at the beginning of baross was ludicrus, the entire area was filled with them and ragers/maulers

idk if agent still has any clips or recordings, we kept losing

[modest perch]

omg lol that hallway ... i can see it now

[zealous wing]

ye but pushed back from the stairs up to the bridge, all the way back to the start stairwell, needing to do such a massive loop to even hope to pick any off

tho they have been fixed to die faster so it'd be even easier for everyone probably than it was then

[verbal thistle]

I know its not a crusher

but its still 36k damage

[ripe obsidian]

This is evidence to my point

[wintry lagoon]

Hey guys how do I get the blessed by fate penance for the psyker? I can’t seem to find anything in the skill tree anymore after the update…

[ripe obsidian]

What does the penance require?

[wintry lagoon]

“Use the Psykinetic’s wrath to survive perils of the warp 50 times”

[verbal thistle]

that is the base ability

the upgraded version (venting shriek) works as well

scriers gaze might also work

untested though

[wintry lagoon]

I was using gaze for a different penance and it did not work sadly but I will give it a try with vent

Just do it before I explode correct?

[ripe obsidian]

It doth not

[verbal thistle]

noppers

[inland ice]

deep ©ock galactic

is it a bad idea to try getting ASS on psyker

[buoyant maple]

havoc crusher takes 4 usually

uncanny soulblaze is pretty busted

it's hard to match

vet does do everything like best/2nd best tho

best at quickly killing priority targets far away

very high boss dmg (monsters & captains)

outside of TH 1 taps, vet is effectively highest

much higher mixed horde dps than frontliners

[sturdy reef]

vet best special killer

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny should not affect things other than the weapon it's on.

I know it does. I am just annoyed about it

[buoyant maple]

it shud be 20% melee_rending

but it won't be enough to balance psyker proper

needs ~95 other nerfs

[modest perch]

yea u gotta be in the ohshitimboutabuss animation

where ur like starin at ur hands

[strong gulch]

====================================

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[ripe obsidian]

I apparently have forgotten how to play VT2.

[ripe obsidian]

:<

[buoyant maple]

yea not joking

[ripe obsidian]

pls no

I do not want to be nerfed into irrelevance

[buoyant maple]

95 small-medium nerfs

[sturdy reef]

thats excessive

[buoyant maple]

nah

[sturdy reef]

ya

[wintry lagoon]

I still can’t do this penance to save my life…

“Use the Psykinetic’s wrath to survive perils of the warp 50 times”

[buoyant maple]

Nah it’s just the bare minimum

[sturdy reef]

tbh

I think you dislike psyker

[buoyant maple]

Or u can do 5-6 big nerfs that are comically overtuned

Achieves the same result but makes the class way less fun

[buoyant maple]

Maybe it’s just my fps brain talking but a class that doesn’t need to aim as much should not be as good (or in the current case, significantly better) in damage output than classes that need to aim

[sturdy reef]

it doesnt need to aim with 1 staff

[buoyant maple]

3, tbh

[sturdy reef]

you still need to aim with VB so you dont knock enemies towards you

[buoyant maple]

2 is arguable

But minimum 2

[sturdy reef]

ES cares about the general direction but you still need to be mostly centered on target

nerf inferno direct damage and remove the uncanny buff interaction when the weapon is swapped out

[buoyant maple]

That’s still not enough

[sturdy reef]

what else would you do

[buoyant maple]

Like I said, ~95 small-medium nerfs total

[sturdy reef]

would the 2 above be included

[buoyant maple]

Uncanny would be 96th yea

20% melee_rending max

Outside of uncanny, 95 of them

[sturdy reef]

idk

[main crow]

Nerf inferno staff, add machine gun staff

[sturdy reef]

that many is just excessive

I doubt you need all of it

whats even your comparison

vet?

[buoyant maple]

If I wanted to be excessive I wouldn’t give u such a specific number of 95

I’d give u 3 digits minimum

[buoyant maple]

Vet also has stuff I think need adjustments

[sturdy reef]

okay so maybe overall damage output of zealot

like what is the vision for the power downscaling

[buoyant maple]

I think psyker would be at a good spot if they did around 15-30% more mixed horde dps (depending on kit being used) than current veteran, but worse in other categories

[sturdy reef]

like single target?

[buoyant maple]

Current psyker is like 200% higher lolol

[sturdy reef]

are you talking about inferno or without inferno

[buoyant maple]

Even without inferno

It’s still massively higher than every other comparable class

[zealous wing]

why is vet the benchmark here tho

[sturdy reef]

I mean just empirically

[buoyant maple]

Cuz vet is the 2nd best class

lol

[sturdy reef]

I dont find that to be the case

[zealous wing]

lmfao no vet is worst

[buoyant maple]

Not in this universe buddy

[sturdy reef]

I dont agree with vet being bottom

i do think its second best

[ripe obsidian]

Vet is 2nd or 3rd, behind Psyker and maybe Scum

[sturdy reef]

scummer is so good

[zealous wing]

nothing vet has is unique to the class at this point, and i find it extremely boring to play

[buoyant maple]

Hive scum 3rd

[sturdy reef]

that doesnt mean its bad

[white sky]

That doesn't make the class bad

[zealous wing]

it does to me

[white sky]

That means you don't like to play it

[sturdy reef]

I think shivs are a big part of scummer

[zealous wing]

sniping specials? every class can do that
magdumping into a horde? scum can do that
die in 2 hits? psyker and scum can do that

[sturdy reef]

not nearly as dominant as inferno is for psyker tho

[ripe obsidian]

I think Zealot is currently the weakest. Worse gold toughness than Vet, worse priority target elimination than Vet or Scum, worse mobility than scum...

[buoyant maple]

Shivs are their most flexible melee but not their best melee

[sturdy reef]

zealot big burst no1 in my heart

what would you consider best

[white sky]

I think it's Og rn specifically cause of how they got fucked on the dodge "hotfix"

[buoyant maple]

It’s not even a debate

Rashad

[sturdy reef]

oh

oh yeah

[zealous wing]

best being most versatile, psyker by a long shot

[sturdy reef]

with the L L sprint cancel?

yes

[buoyant maple]

Yea obv

[sturdy reef]

I hate doing that

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. I hope that gets reverted.

[zealous wing]

most powerful, scum, because outdamaging an inferno psyker is insane

[sturdy reef]

so I never use rashad

lol

[buoyant maple]

Rashad scum gets higher highs than vet power sword

But lower lows

[white sky]

I cannot imagine it won't be tbh, might just be like, 3 weeks

[buoyant maple]

But that higher high does meaningfully make a difference vs almost every enemy

[ripe obsidian]

It's easy to outdamage Inferno Psyker if you just kill everything before the soulblaze can stack. 🙃

[sturdy reef]

ya

lol

just do desperado

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1453190181149737121/58966B1.MP4?ex=694dddd2&is=694c8c52&hm=8f4622ab83b6f8e7ad742baf85a3d3959723bbefa5c507012dadaf8f429f5254&

There was no chance shivs could compete with this lol

[zealous wing]

i will say tho that, the more time passes the more i think six is right about new classes and havoc

[ripe obsidian]

"Hm, let's fundamentally change how dodging works the day before vacation. What could go wrong?"

[white sky]

Fatshark decision making tbh

[zealous wing]

rockets buffed, rot comes back

[white sky]

It doesn't surprise me anymore

[buoyant maple]

But yea vet is basically 2nd best class atm

Hive scum I think 3rd

[sturdy reef]

rot got fixed

aka nerfed

its not as bad

[zealous wing]

but still

[sturdy reef]

Im fine with it

[ripe obsidian]

Fatshark is a studio that succeeds despite itself. I am amazed at their poor management.

[zealous wing]

there IS a pattern

rot is fine dont get me wrong

[ripe obsidian]

I'm sorry what

[zealous wing]

but theres a pattern

[sturdy reef]

ik you hate rot six

lol

just go melee psyker

ezpz

[ripe obsidian]

It got fixed and is stronger.

[ripe obsidian]

MELEE DOES REDUCED DAMAGE NOW

Inferno is even better than before against rot

I'm not the one struggling

D:

[sturdy reef]

nah toxin is goated against rot

[white sky]

Rot rn is spam dots or spam explosives ime

[zealous wing]

rot introduced, arby has rebreather, shock mines, dog
blight returns, scum has corruption IMMUNITY for the whole team, for the entire match
rot returns, scum rocket launcher buffed to high hell

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think any class is worst by a wide margin, but zealot and og are comparatively less flexible

For different reasons

[sturdy reef]

ogryn just needs new weapons

should help em a lot

[white sky]

I agree with that and it's why my metric is solely based off Og getting fucked by dodge "hotfix", I think every class is solidly playable to stupidly op depending on who has it.

And ignoring, yk, the common random.

[buoyant maple]

They should revert the dodge linger change

And add a new function where 2.0m dodge base classes get no dodge linger past effective dodges

[zealous wing]

so how is oggy fucked btw

i know how everyone else was

and that was fixed

[buoyant maple]

Og has no dodge linger

[zealous wing]

ah

i didnt notice that

[buoyant maple]

U could learn a lot if u read my guide

[zealous wing]

i played one round tho

why would i read a regularly updated bug list

its more fun to be surprised

[buoyant maple]

It’s not a bug list

I think I only have like

[zealous wing]

well if it explains whats fucked thats a bug list

[buoyant maple]

2 whole stuff written out as bugged

[zealous wing]

i also dont play vet unless i have to for a havoc slot, or if beans' die decide i should

[buoyant maple]

Vet is simple u just play the whole game instead of 50% of it

[zealous wing]

nah ive gotta finish psyker 13 first

then the penances for oggy, scum, and vet after that sometime

[sturdy reef]

melee psyker is playing 100%

[buoyant maple]

Melee psyker plays like 70% of it

A high bar for psyker

But still

[sturdy reef]

wot

[zealous wing]

what does vet have that the other classes dont

[white sky]

Melee psyker is one of the easiest experiences I've personally had in darktide

[buoyant maple]

I think any answer I give u will immediately just say “but psyker does that better”

[white sky]

I don't even completely understand what my build does, but I do a metric fuckton of damage and do not die

[buoyant maple]

And tbh u prob don’t play vet enough to understand anyway

[zealous wing]

then its not an actual answer if theres a class that does it

[buoyant maple]

Not quite how it works

[sturdy reef]

psyker is horrible and fartshark should buff scriers gaze to include a 15% AS buff. Thank you for reading the patch notes

[buoyant maple]

I actually wouldn’t mind if scrier’s gave an atk speed bonus

[sturdy reef]

if they removed some of the other shit sure

Id love it

[zealous wing]

probably not, all i know is vet feels like ass to play, and the more i play the other classes the weaker vet feels

[sturdy reef]

the toughness regen is just lol

same with the peril quell

[zealous wing]

not enough to delete vet but, if i need another character slot, im keeping my 3 psykers

[buoyant maple]

Seems like a you problem

It’s ok we all got our biases

[ripe obsidian]

Some people are biased against Psyker. >:(

[sturdy reef]

its ok

if I play H40 with u guys

[ripe obsidian]

I think Vet is hard for me to play because I get hit once and just fall over if VoC isn't up. Every other class feels like it has more safety nets built in.

[sturdy reef]

its gonna be ES vet

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock Vet? Fascinating.

[buoyant maple]

Stance the way tbh

[sturdy reef]

ES in H40 is so nice

[white sky]

I also prefer stance to VoC

[sturdy reef]

just use the helbore

[white sky]

Stance lets you avoid situations where you'd ever need to use VoC

[ripe obsidian]

Does thy build have an H40 ES build?

[buoyant maple]

Ur not gonna believe what my name says

[sturdy reef]

lmao

[ripe obsidian]

I meant guide. I mistyped.

Does thy guide* have an H40 ES build.

[buoyant maple]

Ur not gonna believe what I put in there

[white sky]

Its pretty comprehensive tbh

[ripe obsidian]

I literally can't believe it, so it must not exist. Dang.

If only you had told me I could believe it. D:

[buoyant maple]

Remember to play the Star Wars intro music as u scroll through it for the first time

[zealous wing]

time for six to start comparing which guide is more comprehensive, vets or psykers

[buoyant maple]

It’s not a real comparison

[sturdy reef]

the old psyker guide isnt as comprehensive

[buoyant maple]

I have like 16x the detail of almost every other DT guide?

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, Path's build is a billion times more comprehensive than mine

I just put builds

I ain't tryin' to put that much work in

WHY DO I KEEP TYPING BUILD

[buoyant maple]

Only playtester guides have as much detail

[ripe obsidian]

Guide*

[zealous wing]

ye but you do explain all the talents at least

[buoyant maple]

Ur not gonna believe this

[zealous wing]

im talking to six about psyker guide not to you about vet guide

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, my focus was explaining builds and reasons for picking specific talents

Whereas Path's guide works to explain all the things

[buoyant maple]

Not everything

[ripe obsidian]

Then it sounds like you have work to do. >:(

[buoyant maple]

Some things I either don’t understand or am too lazy to write

It’s ok they aren’t that relevant usually

[ripe obsidian]

Come back when you're as detailed as Kuli

[verbal thistle]

Speaking of explaining everything

[ripe obsidian]

Playtester guides? As in, internal shtuff?

[verbal thistle]

I got a response from combine about enemy spawns

[buoyant maple]

Jsat, combine, kuli, etc

People that play test the game

[ripe obsidian]

Does Jsat play this game anymore?

[zealous wing]

meaning the new stuff?

[buoyant maple]

Think so?

[verbal thistle]

Off and on

[buoyant maple]

Idk I don’t play test

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ripe obsidian]

I want to playtest

[verbal thistle]

Last time I played with him was around arby release

I see him launch VT most of the time

[ripe obsidian]

I tried playing a little VT2 this evening. I have forgotten all of my muscle memory for movement and timing and such.

[buoyant maple]

I’ll gradually add in stuff from other classes to mine

[verbal thistle]

But the guy who explained how special spawns work is apparently working on all enemy spawns

[buoyant maple]

Psyker last

[ripe obsidian]

Then the host crashed

[verbal thistle]

Always host

I don't trust pubs

[ripe obsidian]

Are you going to theef my builds?!

[deft stump]

Guess it purrforms better?

[buoyant maple]

I don’t rly check psyker builds in here

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kitty-hello-cute-cat-gif-11880939

[ripe obsidian]

I have 50+ builds in the pins.

[buoyant maple]

But also the builds I put in there are just “examples”

[ripe obsidian]

It is 131 pages long. It is too many builds.

[buoyant maple]

Nah I’ll prob do 4-5 for psyker

Almost all the builds I put in there are not full points

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I have that as well.

I have templates for every staff and combat ability combo

[zealous wing]

maybe he should check the build guide in the pins

[deft stump]

Though I was serious. My phone's autocorrect is weird.

[ripe obsidian]

With like 22-25 points allocated and color-coded recommendations

[ripe obsidian]

VT2 does perform a lot better on this laptop, at least. It's not a slideshow

[buoyant maple]

It’s a lot of stuff that could be combined into single sections

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, and a template for meleeker, too

[deft stump]

Yep, DT has a hilarious lack of optimisations.

[ripe obsidian]

I know this. I made it redundant intentionally.

It is so people can one-click to a build/template and get all the information without having to scroll more

[buoyant maple]

You’re much kinder than I am

[deft stump]

Cos every build is different creators.

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, I have my own builds for most.

[buoyant maple]

I’ll prob only have 4-5 builds for every class

Arb maybe just 2 tbh

lol

[ripe obsidian]

There are like 2 places where I had someone else create the build. Ainz for VB + SG and Papa Willy for Smite.

Oh, and your beginner build

But 95% of those build screenshots and recommendations are mine

[ripe obsidian]

Arb has 2 full builds?!

[deft stump]

Should I pull out my CS 2 again if you have suggestions?

[ripe obsidian]

You're welcome to theef my builds if you want. There are many.

[deft stump]

BTL Forceful, Nuncio EO.

Flees.

[buoyant maple]

I’ll prob just copy the 3-4 I use for psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes I see an Arby use Alligator's Stance, and I know they will be useless.

[buoyant maple]

Psyker variation is a bit more than vet but it’s pretty straightforward as well

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think I’ll put even a single castrated stance build in guide

[ripe obsidian]

I hate that combat ability a lot.

I dislike Nuncio mostly because it can't move.

[buoyant maple]

It’ll prob just be

[deft stump]

They don't even act like bait with it on.

[buoyant maple]

BTL + EO
BTL + LW + EO
BTL + LW + forceful

[deft stump]

Unlike some desperado Gangers.

[buoyant maple]

That’s it

No other arb build

Doesn’t exist

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly use BtL + LW + Forceful.

[white sky]

Big fan of BtL+EO

[deft stump]

BtL+Forceful works as well.

[buoyant maple]

nah not worth

EO just mogs unfortunately

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker's main build paths are left-side for staves and right-side for melee.

And then if you want a staff build that isn't focused on soulblaze, fuck you

[deft stump]

At least it doesn't teach extremely bad habits.

[sturdy reef]

let nuncio follow you

🙁

[deft stump]

Or allow reposition with a 1 sec cd.

Mostly to prevent accidents.

[ripe obsidian]

I think pressing F again should allow you to move Nuncio, yeah

Even moving it 1x per the duration would be amazing.

But 1s cooldown would be better

It's like... Psyker can get bubble back in under 20 seconds.

Arby can just use Nuncio, push forward or get pushed back, and not have it for a minute

It's frustrating

[deft stump]

Push back is better than forwards, still debuffs enemy to burn faster.

Right?

[ripe obsidian]

I would have to reread what it does

But yeah, sounds right

[deft stump]

Buffs allies, debuffs enemies.

Baseline debuff is more damage taken.

[ripe obsidian]

"to all enemies within drone radius, applies a debuff that increases their damage taken by 15%; the debuff is being applied as long as the enemy is within radius and remains applied for 1s after the enemy has left the radius; does not stack with the same debuff from another Arbitrator's drone; stacks multiplicatively with the damage taken debuff from Target the Weak, with damage buffs, and with power level buffs"

[deft stump]

Subnode slows their atk speed and damage done.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that should all impact enemies in the circle, or enemies who were in the circle <=1s ago

[rare arrow]

Can I see what specific havoc modifers do anywhere?

[verbal thistle]

Combine in steam guides

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

I have the link in the pins of this channel

[rare arrow]

Thank you! I didn't scroll far enough

[deft stump]

I only know cos seeing many arbies in pubs. I just run inferno staff if brain deading.

[ripe obsidian]

I almost always prefer BtL in an ally Arby

[zealous wing]

same, i also prefer running it myself

nuncio revive speed tho is nice to consider

[deft stump]

It's like that zealot node but anyone can pick up.

[zealous wing]

zealot node, or curio perks, but it probably stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Nuncio is never something I am displeased to see, but BtL is usually more impactful. Parden the pun.

[deft stump]

It does.

It does hilariously.

[zealous wing]

btl is much more general use, nuncio is very defensive mainly, like bubble. it can be used offensively but not as well as a full "im moving here now and youre all on the ground now" button

[deft stump]

Or just to pass through farts like bubble. More expensive bubble.

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is significantly more versatile than Nuncio

Better cooldown, faster use time, more immediate benefits

Better for use in crossing dangerous areas

[zealous wing]

and a better " move here, dummies" beacon

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

I mean, I mostly use Bubble as a way to push forward when with a good team

[zealous wing]

but alas

there is no disco bubble

[ripe obsidian]

Throw it into the area we want to move to

[zealous wing]

only disco aquila

[ripe obsidian]

This is true

[deft stump]

Isn't that just having AMD?

Unless it got fixed.

[zealous wing]

does amd make bubble play music? i think not

[ripe obsidian]

Sure it does

It's called transistor whine

[half pebble]

idea: psyker character with funny electrodes on their head to monitor their brain signs

[ripe obsidian]

Your discord handle concerns me.

And I do think we have some cosmetics like that. Though I think you're suggesting a character where those electrodes are part of their characterization/voice lines?

[broken carbon]

we have @lofty escarp, now his catheter

what’s next

also yah basically every psyker helmet already does that

all the tubes and wires are meant to help stabilize their minds

[radiant frigate]

real siblings out here unstable af and still holding it together, this tech is just a crutch

[deft stump]

Just have each other, yes?

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax wot's your lone wolf/forceful arby build nowadays?

[plucky flax]

Forceful is the right keystone right?

[ripe obsidian]

Aye

[plucky flax]

I have a lone wolf forceful and a dog force ful.

[ripe obsidian]

Summat like this?

[plucky flax]

I'd go no ogryn damage for emp's fist

So it works against smaller elites too.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. Even though it's only for melee, I suppose this build isn't using ranged much on bosses or oggys

Any other changes you'd make? I have CDR curios, so my BtL cooldown is lower than the Arby Vigilant strength boost

Or is close to it.

[radiant frigate]

yes (it helps with avoiding catastrophic explosions)

[deft stump]

(Oh, I know... Heh.)

[plucky flax]

I have no opinion on curios just keep yourself alive

Maybe 2x gunner resist 3x revive and some random stuff

[wraith sphinx]

You just gotta play and figure out what would you benefit from the most

[wintry moon]

does toughness regen speed for curios work on regen x toughness over 5 secs ?

[marble crater]

No, it's only toughness regen from coherency, aka. it's pretty useless

[hollow summit]

Max toughness is still the best stat

[wintry moon]

so as an inferno user, what should my curio perks be

I know ability reduction and +max toughness

[marble crater]

I use toughness, health and ability reduction

[wintry moon]

thanks

do other classes use toughness regen speed?

[marble crater]

I don't think so, some ogryn builds did in the past, but I don't know if that's still the case after the talent tree rework

[wintry moon]

alright. thanks!

[graceful arch]

No one uses it

[ornate hamlet]

Ayo, why in the gosh darn dangnabbit can we now overload peril from blocking

I just did a parry on a crusher and my character was like "nah"

[graceful arch]

Parry with DS gives you like 3% peril

[wintry moon]

which mark is the DS we should be carrying?

[plucky flax]

4

[wintry moon]

for better use against crushers?

or better swing animation?

oh wait, I remembered. 4 is constant thrust. 2 will thrust and swing for heavy

thanks

[ornate hamlet]

Normalize using 2 for the funny lights

Reject 4 propaganda

[white willow]

https://tenor.com/view/who-ping-seal-ping-gif-24789222

someone pinged me but I cant find lmao

[marble crater]

Maybe deleted the message

rip

[modest trellis]

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