psyker-class

[weary crane]

But that only increases damage a bit for carapace

And I'm sure they're gonna nerf uncanny strike soon

[wraith sphinx]

Damn I hope not. They should buff some other blessings instead

[cold ivy]

soulblaze base ADM against carapace is 10% so at base you only do 10% damage to them. penetrating flame quintuples your damage versus them (40% brittleness increases the effective ADM to 50%), but against everything else it already has ADM of 100+% so brittleness doesn't do much. also if you have to kill crushers it's easier to stack soulblaze with your staff, then swap to melee and build up full stacks of uncanny strike, which gives you full damage against them

the problem is that even with full damage against crushers, it still takes a really long while to kill them with just soulblaze (auric crushers have ~6k while h40 crushers have ~10k and soulblaze base damage is in the 150-200 range per tick), so just quintupling your damage with penetrating flame isn't gonna cut it

[cunning crown]

oh, soulblaze already bypasses most armour?

[cold ivy]

yup

and you kinda need 100% rending/brittle to make a dent in carapace so penetrating flame (which only gets you halfway there) is not it. uncanny is also very good on your melee weapons anyway, so leaning on that is probably much easier

[cunning crown]

makes sense actually, considering it is fire

yeah that makes sense, ty

are there any good debuffs that can be applied/spread through Soulblaze? or is it just the DoT?

i.e. something that debuffs enemies damaged by warp attacks that i've missed

[cold ivy]

uhhhhhh

generally speaking the damage is the most important part

not 100% sure if there are debuffs

the ideal way to play darktide is to kill everything before it can become a problem

[cunning crown]

i was hoping to compound its' effectiveness the same way you can with i.e. an Ogryn Club Wizard build where you can spam M1 with the club and apply so many debuffs at once that Crushers fold in like 3-4 seconds

[cold ivy]

ah right, damage taken debuffs like skullcrusher are really good. club spam is 99% skullcrusher + thunderous and thunderous applies brittleness, like penetrating flames does

[cunning crown]

yup

thus why i asked about Penetrating Flames

[cold ivy]

i guess it helps if your teammates are using weapons that don't have good carapace/unyielding ADMs or access to uncanny strike

but generally speaking the meta is to bring something that is innately good into carapace

[frail osprey]

You can also use it to go in for a melee kill if things get to hot

[cunning crown]

So i guess Inferno staff is mostly just for damaging squishy crowds rather than applying serious damage onto armoured targets? The damage rate seems low and only has a noticable effect on poxwalkers

[cold ivy]

inferno kills everything except crushers and mutants/bosses/captains/twins - it still does good damage vs mutants and bosses but won't kill them super quick

primary fire is for stagger, secondary is for damage

it has infinite cleave so you can hose down everything in 16m with soulblaze and all the soft targets will burn to death

[cunning crown]

I find myself unable to reliably kill i.e. Ragers in a single full channel cast

They get a faceful of fire and have to be hit with the sword some more before going down

Inferno staff with Warp Resistance 60 per the pin here

It does do poxwalkers and the basic trash dudes pretty reliably

i just have trouble downing the tougher special enemies

[inland gate]

What build can make you a one man army?

[potent echo]

If you use the lmb it will stagger time and give them more time to bake

[cunning crown]

There is no build that can replace either teamwork or highly practiced skill sorry

[potent echo]

Usually channel from far if there is time to do so then lmb when they get close

[potent echo]

You can consult the guides in the pins

[inland gate]

no more of a sense, i see any emeny, i can kill it reasonably well

[potent echo]

Depends on what weapon you want to use

[cunning crown]

How long have you been playing the game

There's a huge variety of enemies

[inland gate]

a week

[cunning crown]

No build really does it all

Yeah you will learn soon that no build is The Best and any setup has some shortcomings somewhere

[potent echo]

Voidblast bubble FGS assail is my preferred generalist build that covers everything*

[cunning crown]

Your best bet is to figure out what you have fun with and what is enjoyable to play

Then work your way up the difficulties with it, branching out over time

You are going to feel weak and shitty while levelling, most builds only fully come online in the last few levels when keystones and blessings and other important synergy points are finally all brought together

[inland gate]

im lvl 30 on psyker

[cunning crown]

Levelled some weapons you like to 20 too?

[inland gate]

dont know what waepon to use

would want to use on of the staffs

[cunning crown]

Try them out on lower difficulties

Figure out how they work best for you, which situations you want to use them in

[cunning crown]

You will get bored quickly and have trouble with this game if you try going straight for a "meta" build

Which usually are less meta and more "popular streamer likes it personally and everyone is trying it"

[inland gate]

i want a build where i have multiple or one tool where i can kill almost anything. when i play aribitatior i can do that.

[ivory monolith]

damn 1 idiot standed afk in havok mission and we lose

[cunning crown]

What arbitrator tool lets you do that?

[inland gate]

shotgun

[cunning crown]

Hmm, I see

Psyker generally doesn't really have a tool like that, as far as I know

[inland gate]

i did say one or mutilple tools

[cunning crown]

Oh wait no haha

I completely forgot Psyker has the same basic shotguns as the other humans

If you like the Arbites-only shotguns, try the Combat Shotgun

They have special shells too

[ivory monolith]

nah shotguns is weak on psyker

[molten saddle]

Ok something feels off with psyker this update

[cunning crown]

You get more of them but they aren't as powerful

[ivory monolith]

they changed void blast staff

[molten saddle]

What they do?

[ivory monolith]

but they didnt mention in patch notes

[deft stump]

Fixed the triggering of barrels outside of damage radius.

[molten saddle]

It feels squisher like my toughness jusy dorsmt exsit

[ivory monolith]

only i noticed trauma staff didnt blowing up barrels in 4m radius on charged attacks

[cunning crown]

If you use multiple tools, you will have a diverse loadout for handling multiple types of targets. That's how the game works and this can be accomplished countless ways, so it's like asking how long a bit of string should be

[ivory monolith]

for psyker its main problem

[cunning crown]

I did notice skill trees got reset, doublecheck that?

[molten saddle]

Yeah ive screenshotted my builds on my phone for when they do resets

[deft stump]

That's just FS messing with things. IDK, just feels like more stuff spawns.

[ivory monolith]

i run multiple shield perks but still dont getting enough

[molten saddle]

It felt like i was taking ALOT more toughness loss per shit

Shot

[inland gate]

dude i was literally asking for this 😭

[ivory monolith]

compared to over classes he is squishier one

and in havok enemy's didnt miss with range attacks

[cunning crown]

If you are asking me how long a piece of string should be, it should be about...
*holds out hands*
this long.

If you don't know why a highly subjective question like "which build pieces should i pick" has no actual answer (beyond what I have already said about figuring out what you personally enjoy), i cannot help you

[ivory monolith]

u can recommend

but he will make final decision

[cunning crown]

They did not ask me for recommendations, they asked "what would kill almost anything"

[ivory monolith]

🤔

okay

[cunning crown]

or "what build makes you a one man army"

[ivory monolith]

top 5 builds to carry in darktide

[ivory monolith]

knife zealot

[cunning crown]

Which are both senseless questions for Darktide unfortunately and show a lack of experience with the game - which is fine! We have all been new. But their questions are the wrong questions and have no real answer.

[cunning crown]

Requires a lot of experience, which I did mention

[ivory monolith]

true

[cunning crown]

Also this is the psyker channel, else i would have just suggested Club Wizard which is my favourite build in the game for how little skill it requires

THAT is a one man army build lmfao

you just have to understand the Ogryn skill tree and blessings (thankyou Ogrynomicon)

[molten saddle]

Club wizard?

[deft stump]

Bully club, the I cast fist type.

[cunning crown]

Club Wizard the same way you can get Bullet Wizard builds in other(?) games - spamming lots of small attacks with stacking buffs and debuffs attached so that they build up, snowball, and multiply together to great effect

[molten saddle]

Ahhh gotcha

[cunning crown]

You can just run into crowds and M1 until they're all gone

It's called Club Wizard because it uses the Club

If it was a sword it'd be Sword Wizard

etc.

[cold ivy]

the concept behind the question is valid, though. "what loadout can handle every enemy in the game well" is a question that has answers for every class, because you just need 3 things for that

1. horde clear
2. single-target into carapace and unyielding
3. special sniping

[cunning crown]

It has answers, but there is a billion of said answers

[cold ivy]

so something like force greatsword + assail + any staff that isn't inferno would make you a "one-man army" if you have the skills to pull it off

[cunning crown]

You may as well ask what colour a car should be

[cold ivy]

there are definitely some builds that can't make you a one-man army though

or, at least, are way more difficult to pull off

like illisi + inferno + smite

so basically the answer is "make sure you have a good option for each of those 3 and then the rest is having good fundamentals"

[cunning crown]

yeah

[potent echo]

Inferno smite

[cunning crown]

thus my answer above

[potent echo]

I see it often enough in pub aurics

[cold ivy]

i mean, i sorta get it... inferno for everything except crushers, then smite for crushers... but at what cost...

better to have your team kill the crushers while you soften them up with inferno + uncanny

[dull scroll]

https://youtu.be/J_qOdFcddJY 🔥

[cunning crown]

Exactly the answer i did not want to give someone who has only been in this game for a week

[dull scroll]

Then tell them to smite 😏

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[random spruce]

Eliza is right but for more context the reason that there are so many answers to this question is that psykers load out is the most versatile.

So like voidblast, void strike, and some guns are good for high armor medium to big enemies. But so is FGS, DS, and knife.

Purgatus is great cleave, amazing horde clear. But so is catachan.

If you double up on weapon focus, something like shriek mixed with flame from special kills can cover your horde clear. if you have all short range options assail or better yet brain burst can deal with really far enemies.

And none of this takes into account how different some of our blessing combos can make builds.

So a purgatus shriek DS build covers all the same things that a trauma staff, FGS, scriers build does (more or less). So many builds can effectively cover most of not all your weaknesses. It's just about what you prefer and how you mix and match

[weary crane]

And crowd control

[tulip kettle]

crowd control not required if crowd dead

[weary crane]

My teammates

[drifting steeple]

So what does psyker chat think of hive scum

Haven't played since arbities launch

[tulip kettle]

never have i seen

a smitier clip

[wispy bay]

It is the glass cannon version of the veteran.

Very strong, but require even more situation awareness than psyker to survive.

[molten saddle]

Ok query what is the love of boidblast i prefere void strike but what is so good about void blast

[molten saddle]

I cant get the link to show your build is it still uo?

[peak sundial]

god why is flamestaff so ridiculous
i feel like im ruining other people's games by using it

[weary crane]

Play havoc

[potent echo]

Yes

I play shroudfield zealot in aurics with inferno psykers and I feel jobless

[dull scroll]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a027409f-a745-44c1-b76a-045c26d47fa3/inferno-shriek-2

[molten saddle]

Ty

[kindred fog]

anybody have some tips on how to do the Cliffhanger penance?

[drifting steeple]

Did they buff the combat/tac axes in the past year or so

[wispy bay]

Immense radius with stagger and good damage.

Every hit is a blitz of other classes, see it like an equivalent of an unlimited grenade launcher.

[royal totem]

What if i dont trust Vect builds :3

[royal totem]

Tips in pins. But. Smite throw on maps with ledges. I did mine on VS Oblivium

[nocturne wasp]

Certain maps have good sections for it, but I can't remember which so you'll have to look it up.
The one I did had a "survive x time" mechanic on some raised walkways, I just positioned myself and pushed like a mf

[dull scroll]

Then you are not ready for them yet 😌

[royal totem]

LMAO. fair. But also i dont trust builds from anybody ive never played with

[nocturne wasp]

Might as well try, at least you get some more perspective

[royal totem]

I voidblasted mine.

[nocturne wasp]

Nothing says you have to keep it

No trust needed when no downside

[molten saddle]

Just ran it on a havoc 29 my god it was glorious. Th

Ty

[dull scroll]

Blessed 😌

[molten saddle]

Thats fair i just personally find it too slow by comparison

[molten saddle]

Only console player that mod to remove the fire itself is so good haha i wish i had that

[nocturne wasp]

You can mod on console?

[tribal shuttle]

Anyone have tips for Malleus Monstronum penance? My bar has said 39/50 for a while and it's the last penance I'm missing to finish the class.

[nocturne wasp]

Need to be in private(penance specifies private only)

Party need to let you do it

[wraith sphinx]

Kinetic resonance, double wall shield, cast both at the same time and spam bb the boss

Oh and use empowered psionics keystone

[tribal shuttle]

Thank you

[royal totem]

yeah. private game.

i.........didn't do anything that complex

i did it with brain burst with no modifiers and no empowered psionics

[tribal shuttle]

I've tried like 5-6 times now in private games, but bosses that do spawn seem to be taking too much damage from my team.

and it's real people I'm with, not bots.

[royal totem]

errrr wut

are you busy now?

[tribal shuttle]

No

[royal totem]

if you're down to do it i can help you quickly now

[tribal shuttle]

I'd like that, thank you.

[royal totem]

lemme switch to zel

ok. my friend code is next to my name. inv me

[orchid cypress]

Smite dark communion, on the narrow bridge near the guarnteed medicae spawn,

[jovial juniper]

If you need a third I can join

In 2 minutes tops

[royal totem]

third is always good

[tribal shuttle]

I think I might be dumb? I type your code in and nothing is popping up

Here's mine: 82291774

[royal totem]

gimme your code

[orchid cypress]

check cross play, that caused issues for me in the past

[tribal shuttle]

I'm on steam

[royal totem]

i'm on PC

PC isn't the master race but i can't afford console

[orchid cypress]

what yall doing anyway?

[royal totem]

helping Tagan get MM

[jovial juniper]

Joining as Highsune-Miku

[orchid cypress]

MM?

[royal totem]

malleus monstrotum. the penance. brain burst a boss to death

[orchid cypress]

ahh

the private game one right?

[tribal shuttle]

👍

[royal totem]

yeah

[orchid cypress]

its easy enough but iw ish you luck all the same

[royal totem]

press ec. go to social. press E to find player. gimme your code

[wispy bay]

You don't have to fully charge it to get the effect. Half charge already has like a 4-5m radius.

[tribal shuttle]

I thought that was a friggen steam code...

[royal totem]

LMAO nah it ain't.

how comfortable are you on heresy?

[tribal shuttle]

I'm fine.

[royal totem]

also @jovial juniper US E or US W ?

[tribal shuttle]

Or at least I should be

[jovial juniper]

Think I'm currently E

[tribal shuttle]

It's set to private right?

[royal totem]

it is indeed

i did double check

[jovial juniper]

Btw if we find a Daemonhost I'm going to aggro it

[royal totem]

yeah that also works for MM

[molten saddle]

Oh didnt know that🤣 show how little ivenused if

[tribal shuttle]

GOT IT

!!

[royal totem]

ok we're done here

[tribal shuttle]

It was nice seeing 4 penances complete at once

[royal totem]

aye

[jovial juniper]

Heh

That was fast

[royal totem]

all done with psyker?

[jovial juniper]

Lol

[tribal shuttle]

Thank you guys

Yup, all done now.

[royal totem]

thank Q. Higui. i just was along for the ride 😏

[tribal shuttle]

@jovial juniper @royal totem Thank you both.

[jovial juniper]

🫡

[royal totem]

that was fast

i was helping somebody once and we got no monstrosity until the ambush section

[tribal shuttle]

The guarenteed boss section?

[royal totem]

aye

i do dark communion cuz very worst case there's that section

[zealous wing]

yupyup

consignment yard is another one

[royal totem]

i'd rather do consignment yard but

that means going through the whole map

[zealous wing]

meh, means you get ordo out of it if you finish

[nocturne wasp]

Starting to think you just don't want to play with me my guy

[royal totem]

sorry i was only on to help with penance. i'll be back this afternoon

[nocturne wasp]

sorry if that seemed more serious than it was I was jking

Ppl have lives lmao

[royal totem]

my life is a lot of DT

@zealous wing i was so mad earlier. i was having a perfect game where i took 0 damage. THEN THE PSYKERS BLEW UP BARRELS NEAR ME

~~liabilities tut tut.*

[heavy dagger]

playing only scum made me rusty on psyker 😭

i might as well change my name to something else

[nocturne wasp]

It took like 4 games for me to get warmed back to to auric levels on my arb last night

[heavy dagger]

nah facts

[royal totem]

better be Savant

i didn't play arb for a month and i just jumped straight to auric 😄

[heavy dagger]

that was the auric event, its fun

[royal totem]

this is my favorite event

[heavy dagger]

same it's good practice and easy to get a lot of loot

[late yew]

How long does event last?

[heavy dagger]

dec 22

[late yew]

And does progress depend on difficulty?

[heavy dagger]

not sure

i saw someone on reddit say they ran uprising with bots and finished it fast

[nocturne wasp]

I think you get the same amount of event drops either way so it's better to speed run lower difficulties

Could be wrong tho

[heavy dagger]

idc about the rewards anymore after getting 4000 diamantine

i just play it bc its fun with all the spawns

[nocturne wasp]

Hoping for a cool cosmetic if we max it out

[zealous wing]

insignia, 500 aquila

[nocturne wasp]

Hoping for secret unanounced cool cosmetic if we max it out

[zealous wing]

like what?

already got my aquila

[nocturne wasp]

Idk lmao I'm just reaching

[royal totem]

But 500 aquilla

[late yew]

Anyone else lagging today?

[summer prairie]

Wouldn't be surprising since it's a free weekend

[long wharf]

and the current event is much faster to complete than the previous event

which is good, because we can't cheese the current event like we could the prior one

[verbal thistle]

still cheesable with speedruns

but not as shrimple as ration event

[long wharf]

yeah, it's still very easy to complete, speedruns or no

would be even easier if there wasn't the bug with having multiple shrines spawn in the same area and one of them never clears

waste of a shrine

[iron flame]

💀 Not sure if my team mates are just bad or if i am just doing something wrong with FGS. But when i play zealot relic blade + flamer, i get a lot of those killing a lot of baddies lines but when using FGS meleepsyker, i never get those lines

[royal totem]

Why not?

[long wharf]

must be you

[celest valve]

which mk

also probably skill issue tbh

[plucky flax]

Use the fgs special

[celest valve]

or your FGS blessings are bad and/or you don't keep your peril high with the cleave talent

[iron flame]

Hmm dunno, just wondering why i am much more effective as zealot relic blade vs melee pysker basically i am using Mk6

[celest valve]

try mk8

see if you gel better with it

[iron flame]

Ohh mk8 i guess i will give it a try

[celest valve]

it has faster light attacks for horde clear

and heavies are comparable although you need to use the push attack for a stab

[tulip kettle]

False

Mk6 is objectively better

[long wharf]

mk6 FGS is king

you're going to cut through the crowd regardless

mk6 has higher base damage and superior heavy attack patterns

[summer prairie]

Depends on what you are playing

[long wharf]

I don't really think so

[iron flame]

Hmm guess i am just not maintaing high peril properly i guess.

[zealous wing]

use the special, and use block cancelling to your advantage (the first three lights are the best for general horde work, block for a moment after any of them to repeat the loop)

[ripe obsidian]

Block cancel is too much work for me

[zealous wing]

easier than trying to hit q twice super often

[tulip kettle]

the bonus of block cancelling is, you block

[zealous wing]

besides, i think BC is superior to QQ simply because, sometimes it actually blocks something, yeah

[tulip kettle]

and also if you happen to push while blocking your follow up is the same as L1 on MK8

[zealous wing]

when i had deflector i genuinely enjoyed the sudden blocking of unexpected shotgun blasts

[ripe obsidian]

QQ is also too much work

LMB spam for life

[zealous wing]

weak

[iron flame]

Guess it is just my skill issue while juggling scryer's gaze and stuffs

[zealous wing]

but you are the nerd so its fine... for now

[iron flame]

Like when i go bubble knight, i usually just spam the sword wave a few time to hit high peril and just stay there

but well bubble mean no scryer which mean less damage lol

[tulip kettle]

true but you have DD

and likely warp ghost

[zealous wing]

bubble is less about protection (nice side benefit) and more about keeping your team together tbh

[tulip kettle]

so keep high peril and still good damajj

[iron flame]

I am playing in auric and it feels like my team never stay together

[ripe obsidian]

I know LMB spam is weaker. I just hate block canceling. Weaving lights and heavies and push attacks and such is fine. Block cancel just feels bad to me.

[zealous wing]

do you at least to a heavy after l3

[tulip kettle]

what if i told you the push follow up is a great start to a combo

push - light - light - light - heavy - loop

sehr gut

[zealous wing]

dom they're giving away 14k aquila on twitter for hive scum drip

[tulip kettle]

what is a twitter

[zealous wing]

ends the 17th so if you wanna get hive scum dripped out , theres incentive

[strong gulch]

twitter...

[royal totem]

twitter no exist anymore

[zealous wing]

i refuse to just call it X honestly

[ripe obsidian]

Fiiiiiiine

[zealous wing]

so fuckin dumb

[royal totem]

supposed to bow down to the E*** M*** overlord

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate?

[royal totem]

oh that didn't type out the way i wanted it to

[strong gulch]

I ain't calling it X.

[zealous wing]

screenshot your hive scum drip, post to their tweet

surprised i even remembered my username to log back in honestly

[royal totem]

chance to win or guaranteed?

[zealous wing]

15 people will be picked, so low chance probably but

meh

its a screenshot

glad i changed my outfit

everyone is using the same pants, and there were many using the same torso as well

so i went with this, then saw the tweet and like, eh sure, why the fuck not

if i win, cool, if not, i lose nothing

[royal totem]

oh hey, i'm back up to 5.2m

[ripe obsidian]

I doubt I have much chance of winning

[iron flame]

Oh nope. i just use 3 light, block 3 light

[ripe obsidian]

Alternatively a different headpiece. @quiet inlet said I looked creepy without the mask. :D

[long wharf]

what's the point of doing a dress-up contest with a class that has such limited options that everyone will look the same?

[verbal thistle]

free socks

like the art contest

[long wharf]

art contest is different though - you gotta make the art yourself

the likelihood of people wanting to use the same cosmetics for a limited class is too high

[ripe obsidian]

I am not very outrageous

[zealous wing]

but you ARE unhinged

[verbal thistle]

dress up is a type of art, but yes there is limited options

imagine if someone uses the cosmetic mod and wins

I love my Stimmy Turner

I got told 5 times yesterday that I looked like a poxwalker

[zealous wing]

might be why they're doing it so soon, they know who can possibly have what at this point, nothings rotated out

i hope someone jokingly posts a psyker or zealot ngl

bonus if they win somehow

i'd accept that defeat 100%

[quiet inlet]

in a good way

[deft stump]

Also, what's the point for other classes when the free stuff is the same? Pay2Win then.

[long wharf]

there's also that

it's a really bad idea

[strong gulch]

But I like it down there.

[long wharf]

now, if we had the ability to modify the materials/colors of our outfits at will, like say in Anthem, that'd be a different story

[long wharf]

the Emperor protects

[deft stump]

Or actually stick bits and bobs to 'edit' an outfit. Like how some Anime games let you add stuff to the chars.

[long wharf]

yeah, that'd be nice too

[deft stump]

Like extra spikes, different types of spikes, design of the spike patterns...

[long wharf]

customization? this isn't Call of Duty

🙄

[deft stump]

Look, a gal can dream.

[long wharf]

that's all it'll ever be with FartShack, sadly

[quiet inlet]

solo queue damnation for the last 3 scum sucker levels, here we go

[ripe obsidian]

@zealous wing Lord of Fashion, which headpiece is better?

[long wharf]

neither of those are heads

you mean belt buckle?

[ripe obsidian]

?

[ripe obsidian]

Customization? In 40k? I've never heard of such a thing. How absurd.

[long wharf]

oh, my bad, your images are larger than the thumbnails indicate

[ripe obsidian]

But if I am attempting to win a thing, I am unsure if hiding my face behind a mask is a good idea

[tardy pumice]

is damage 80/finesse 80/penetration 60/ mobility 80/cleave 80 duelling sword good for flamer staff psyker?

[long wharf]

literally doesn't matter

it's impossible for Scummer to look good with a free cosmetic

I use a cybernetic eye headpiece, myself

[strong gulch]

Everything is fine. Servers can't carry us. Just too many. Gonna verify my files lmao.

[long wharf]

but then, I also named my scummer "Winky"

[royal totem]

you want penetration 80 i believe

[tardy pumice]

ok ty

[strong gulch]

dump cleave

[fiery stratus]

If you get clips of silent specials, you may be able to send them to Cole. Not sure if hes taking submissions but he did say hes trying to put a thing together to show the devs

[tardy pumice]

so its just important to have damage 80 / finesse 80 / penetration 80? rest is whatever?

[fiery stratus]

[strong gulch]

Gotcha

Thanks for the heads up

[strong gulch]

Dump cleave means 60 on it and 80s on everything else.

[fiery stratus]

I just had a silent burster basically spawn in my ear lastnight, I didnt have my screen recording up though

[ripe obsidian]

I mean. I can use character cosmetics improved to just put on any cosmetic.

By the power of mods, I am fashion

[tardy pumice]

so for example i have 80 damage / 80 finesse / 80 pen / 69 mobility / 71 cleave, u think i should upgrade that one?

or keep rerolling

[ripe obsidian]

@strong gulch which mod does "killed by"?

[long wharf]

and there's no reason you shouldn't

[strong gulch]

Keep rolling. If you have no or very little mats, you can use the one you have. Otherwise keep rolling.

[long wharf]

especially if you're entering a silly dress-up contest

[strong gulch]

Player Deathfeed
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/581

[royal totem]

you're new? if you're relatively new it's honestly good enough

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I will futz around tonight and see what I come up with

[tardy pumice]

yea new. i got a 80 dam / 80 fin / 80 pen / 61 mob / 79 cleave now. good?

[long wharf]

sell and keep trying

[royal totem]

good enough. i mean if you have the mats i'd roll a few more and see if you get better mob but if not....... you'll be fine

[strong gulch]

Barrel mod and player deathfeed working together. lmao

[long wharf]

should never accept "good enough" for weapon stat rolls

I love the barrel feed mod

[royal totem]

if you're new and you don't have many mats, you should.

[tardy pumice]

i have 33k gold atm

[royal totem]

yeah no

accept it as good enough

[tardy pumice]

ok ty

[royal totem]

i can reroll a shit ton cuz i have 5.3m but you don't have that and you shouldn't just do that cuz at some point you might decide, i'd rather have a FS or FGS over DS and have no gold to roll

[long wharf]

if you're running out of dockets (gold), and you're just starting out, then don't worry about ideal weapon rolls just yet

get your character to level 30 before bothering with ideal weapon stats

[royal totem]

i run a DS with 60 mobi on zealot and on psyker and i've never really noticed it tbh

[tardy pumice]

btw can i sell weapons?

[pine oyster]

might run psyker soon, how do i use smite correctly again? (u owe me 10 quid if you say "don't, lol".)

[long wharf]

yes

it's not called "selling", though

it's called "discard" in the inventory UI

stupid, yes

[tardy pumice]

hm ok

[long wharf]

you don't get everything you paid, either

[tardy pumice]

thought that wouldve just destroyted the item

[long wharf]

it's something like 10%

[tardy pumice]

ah rip

[long wharf]

yep, typical FatShark

they have a real problem with making things clear and explaining stuff

and it's not a language barrier issue, it's purposeful design

[pine oyster]

it's to make sure you play the game they made.

[long wharf]

no

way before release, the lead designer for Darktide said, in an interview, that he hates players that min-max

and that they purposefully made descriptions and game mechanics obtuse in order to confound players like that

I'm not joking

[dull scroll]

min-max, who would ever do that

😏

[long wharf]

only everybody ever in any game that has a brain

so, you know, not that guy

[marble crater]

One part of me really wants to min max, the other part of me gets sad because the games becomes too easy after a bit

[long wharf]

no game lasts forever

if it stops being fun, play something else

or go outside

[dull scroll]

what's this outside 🤔

[strong gulch]

drink your scumpltine

[pine oyster]

i want to min-max because my weapons aren't strong by default. take the Devils claw as an example.

[long wharf]

my what now?

is that ovaltine with corpse starch mixed in?

[strong gulch]

drink your Ovaltine

[zealous wing]

not like we can read the code or anything, all he did was make the issue worse honestly

[strong gulch]

but scum

oh no

butt scum

I'm gonna go outside

[zealous wing]

go touch grass fr

[long wharf]

of course, and FatShark got a lot of shit for it

[zealous wing]

pet your plants

[long wharf]

took them a while to finally get it through their heads that descriptions needed to be accurate and sensible

[pine oyster]

we? you mean YOU! i certainly can't!

[strong gulch]

The fecker is growing. It needs time. 😭

[zealous wing]

COUGH

[strong gulch]

and yet

fixed

[marble crater]

It's even worse now

[pine oyster]

seems a bit shit.

[royal totem]

go touch grass 🙂

[marble crater]

I touched grass around 20 mins ago when I walked my dog

[long wharf]

come on guys, I didn't say it was all fixed 🙂

they make the same mistakes over and over again

[pine oyster]

then let yourself get rusty.

play another game when you get bored.

come back months later.

git gud again.

[strong gulch]

The grass.

[marble crater]

If I come back months later I need to start the game all over again, because I forgot the entire story by then and it feels silly to pick up in act 2 or 3 or whatever you have

[marble crater]

That's just dirt

[pine oyster]

"what the fuck is happening in Darktide?" is a good series for that.

[strong gulch]

Coconut coir and grass seeds at least.

[marble crater]

I stand corrected, it's fancy dirt

[marble crater]

no

[royal totem]

???

[nocturne wasp]

[pine oyster]

then how in gods name do you know the story of darktide... or do you mean sequence of missions?

[strong gulch]

"Go touch grass."

but I have to wait for it to grow

[marble crater]

I am not talking about Darktide exclusively

[pine oyster]

i am...

[marble crater]

Maybe we should both talk to other people then

[pine oyster]

nah, it's good. i think you're chill

[royal totem]

lmao. i didn't even know you could grow grass like that tbqh.

[marble crater]

I'm still going to watch anime now and then maybe actually play Darktide for that free aquilas

[strong gulch]

Ye. For pets. I do it for the cats.

[dull scroll]

peak sloptide behavior 😌

[nocturne wasp]

Gonna level my scum unless anyone wants to play

[royal totem]

that's very cute. i wish i had indoor grass to touch

[marble crater]

It helps with digesting aids?! Why does this not exist for humans?

[royal totem]

i want to play but i really should nap 🙁

[nocturne wasp]

The inquisition never rests

[strong gulch]

There's grass like plants you can get. May need a lightbulb over them. Grass itself does not do well indoors longterm. So unless you have something to eat it, it's not worth it. I know people do grass drinks or soemthing.

[strong gulch]

nap

[zealous wing]

chia

[strong gulch]

Truly. Would have saved so many gays.

[royal totem]

i just like touching grass. it feels really nice

[zealous wing]

you can buy chia seeds very cheap, usually as a health snack thing

they're still alive so you can plant them

[strong gulch]

I'm allergic to it.

But also I feel you. I give it a pet before the cats destroy it.

[royal totem]

LOL

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/chiapet-chia-gif-5279797

[zealous wing]

chia is also really tasty

[royal totem]

maybe i'll buy a small grow light setup

[royal totem]

i've never had chia i think

[strong gulch]

You can use a regular ass light bulb btw.

[zealous wing]

ive had the seeds and the sprouts, i like them

[strong gulch]

Get a light meter or use an app on your phone.

[royal totem]

too annoying. i want a small like hydroponics thing. so i can plant basil or like such indoors without dirt

[zealous wing]

herb hydroponics sounds nice

that room would smell so nice

[strong gulch]

Still can use regular bulbs. Just letting you know, because those lights get expensive fast and a lot of them don't have the needed output or spread.

Unless you pay a pretty penny.

[royal totem]

oh ._. that's pretty annoying

i do have the pretty penny to pay but it's never about having the money. it's about whether it's worth

[strong gulch]

I got u. If you find something you like, I am sure you can find reviews on it. It's good to actually like what you have.

[maiden oracle]

how useful is the damage against ogyrns and monsters talent for melee psyker

was thinking about replacing the talent that builds peril when blocking attacks for it

feels like I'm mostly just pushing and dodging more than blocking

[strong gulch]

It's good but not needed.

I personally take it.

[dull scroll]

it's not how much you block, it's how high your stamina is during high intensity period

[maiden oracle]

the damage or the peril on block

[maiden oracle]

what

[dull scroll]

if you constantly on low stam one block without KD is enough to stun you

[maiden oracle]

so its just there to prevent a stun

[strong gulch]

Yesn't

[maiden oracle]

also there to intentionally block to build peril?

[strong gulch]

You can also aggressively reposition, parry, pair with deflector, etc.

[maiden oracle]

deflector?

[strong gulch]

You can but there are other more meaningful ways to build peril.

[strong gulch]

blessing on force melee

[maiden oracle]

ah ok

[royal totem]

i tend to block a lot

[quiet inlet]

depends on character, but I also block a good amount

[marble crater]

I blocked Dom

[zealous wing]

f

[strong gulch]

[last shore]

Remind me what happens if I don''t complete a havoc this week and my assiignment rank iis 30?

[strong gulch]

29

[last shore]

thanks

[dull scroll]

why, did you not find the other answer satisfactory

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[maiden oracle]

can I get a havoc inferno build

Gotta get ranged kills and I think the flamethrower is probably my best bet

[quiet inlet]

touchdown, leveled on a failure

[strong gulch]

[strong gulch]

check pins

I wanted to check a thing in game, so I did a solo uprising but I jump scared myself because I has rituals on it. lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Very, especially on higher difficulties

[ripe obsidian]

I need to edit my name here to be "Builds in Pins" like Path did for a while

[strong gulch]

IDK if it will help tbh

How long have builds been in pins?

Years

[brazen fable]

So on the obscurus force sword (w/ uncanny strike), against armored elites am I supposed to do heavy-light-light or just heavy spam

[strong gulch]

ScanHelper mod doesn't have an update, but "brufgsilva" left a comment on the nexus site with a fix. It's working now.

edit: there's another comment below by "gir489" with an earlier fix.

It worked in true solo.

[strong gulch]

HLL like you mentioned

[brazen fable]

Okay. I don't like how the light2 uppercut keeps hitting the body

[strong gulch]

Ye. Gotta be mindful to land it correctly.

[acoustic jacinth]

You have to be looking upwards to connect the start of the uppercut with their heads. If you're familiar with games like mordhau or chivalry you'll get it down easily

[brazen fable]

Im sure I can get the hang of it

I have a hard time tracking the tiny dot melee weapons use as a crosshair so I have to aim by vibes

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah it's understandable

I personally don't even think about the crosshair, as you said it's a subconscient thing

You feel it out by having the muscle memory of the hit alignment

[ripe obsidian]

Obscurus is a monster if you get good at it

But it does take more time than other marks

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeys

Fatshark gave the best sword to the bestest deranged warriors of the emperor

[brazen fable]

Right, for the emperor... I'm sure

[marble crater]

New map is pretty awesome

A lot better than train

[royal totem]

i love train though 🙁

[orchid cypress]

train is goated ngl

[royal totem]

train is up there on my favorite maps

[zealous wing]

its fun if you have at least 2 total competent people

[maiden oracle]

what should I replace for it

[royal totem]

train duos

[orchid cypress]

is this melee psyker?

[maiden oracle]

Yes

[orchid cypress]

get one of them

i forgot its name

its the one that brainburts elites when you hit them

trust me it helps so much

im assuming youre doing blaze force gs yes?

BFGS for short

[maiden oracle]

No

[orchid cypress]

what you using then?

[maiden oracle]

Tax axe

[orchid cypress]

ah

i mean i guess that works

i take it thats why you have assail for hordes?

[maiden oracle]

No

It shreds hordes just fine

[orchid cypress]

whats your rangr weapon?

range*

[maiden oracle]

Infernus laspistol

[orchid cypress]

this is my normal go to

buts this is with BFGS

[royal totem]

i don't get how people play tac axe without wrist hurty

[strong gulch]

It hurts my hands kinda like knife.

shivs > knife > taxe for me and hand hurt

[maiden oracle]

Yelling a lot irl

[royal totem]

pretty much yeah

i skitarius all of those tbf

i think it's 2025. more devs should think about the carpal tunnel they're inflicting on people

[orchid cypress]

ngl they should make a setting to make holding down the attack button just smam lights and make the heavy attack something else

[royal totem]

agreed

but devs generally don't care much about accessability

[subtle geode]

does smite have a target limit or can you theoretically stun 100+ enemies at once?

and how exactly does the spread work?

[royal totem]

it spreads, but it's also hitmass dependent. meaning if you try to hit a crusher it'll take longer.

i don't think there's a cap but unsure

[subtle geode]

does the spread ever slow down the more enemies you stun and how far can it spread away from you once you've hit something?

[royal totem]

i'm not sure there's an upper limit though i don't think it spreads through walls. probably @ripe obsidian or @strong gulch or such would have a better answer

actually..... @icy breach might know also

[strong gulch]

@jovial juniper Is the one to ask.

[subtle geode]

so it probably doesn't have a target limit but is it limited by it's initial spread distance or could it theoretically reach 100 meters away if there's a massive chain of enemies?

[royal totem]

this feels like a game of telephone

[verbal thistle]

"• Spread: the longer Smite is cast the more targets it can jump to when it spreads (spread max radius: 6m), and the more total targets it will reach; LMB starts spreading with one first target, RMB starts spreading with three first targets; RMB has better spread properties and lower hit mass cost than LMB thereby spreading faster
• hit_mass_cost: the time until Smite can deal damage and stagger to a target depends on enemy hit mass, so the more hit mass an enemy has the longer it will take before an enemy takes damage and stagger from Smite; LMB's hit_mass_cost is twice as high as RMB's"

how smite spreads

[strong gulch]

But yeah as far as I know smite doesn't cleave nor does it have a cap. What gates it is spread. Charging spreads more and bigger hit mass makes the damage ticks and stun wiggle take longer.

[subtle geode]

so basically infinite range and target limit within its current target's spread radius

[marble crater]

Not infinite range

[subtle geode]

infinite range if there's enough targets in its way to chain to

that's what i mean

[royal totem]

release the red stimmed ragers!

[subtle geode]

does anything affect smite's spread time?

like maybe attack speed or something?

[strong gulch]

Seems like even with enough enemies in a line, smite stops at around 30m.

[ripe obsidian]

Late response, but I don't love PC on Meleeker, so maybe that. Or the ranged crit node next to Kinetic Deflection

[marble crater]

Blue stim, I think

[maiden oracle]

Took the ranged crit node to proc infernus on my laspistol

No clue exactly how effective it is

[marble crater]

Let's not

[maiden oracle]

What’s pc

[rare arrow]

Login to jam some games, all my talents have been wiped. Anyone happen to know what was updated to cause that or should I go through it all again

[marble crater]

Perilous Combustion

[maiden oracle]

Alright

[static vessel]

Fs being dumbasses.

Nothing changed

[rare arrow]

yea, that tracks.

[ripe obsidian]

They added the ability to unselect major nodes without wiping the whole tree

[rare arrow]

Well, time to remember what I had here now.

[ripe obsidian]

It is a small change.

[rare arrow]

which in true FS manner, wiped my whole tree?

[static vessel]

Actually? Sick

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. Blitz, aura, combat ability, keystone I believe. You can also pick sub-nodes for those without keeping the major node. For some reason. It's not a good idea to do so.

[rare arrow]

I just wanted to set some stuff on fire lol

[ripe obsidian]

You're in luck. I have 50+ builds in the pinned guide.

[rare arrow]

I saw that, didn't realize you had pinned it. I'll take a look at it

[strong gulch]

Not fully walked in but here's a rough rep of smite's range. No EP.

[rare arrow]

I'm sure if there are 50+ builds in it at least 20 are soulblaze builds.

[ripe obsidian]

Many are, yeah

[rare arrow]

I used to just havea venting shriek for non havok and shield for havok. It won't be too much work, mostly just whining.

[royal totem]

Ty for testing

[subtle geode]

thank you for the showcase it's very helpful

[rare arrow]

what's wrong with my emotes?

[inland whale]

my boss damage is abysmal, does anyone have some weapon reccomendations?

[vestal trench]

does anyone have that old video of obscurus force sword destroying a crusher pack with ease

nvm found it

[subtle geode]

sounds interesting would you mind showing it?

[vestal trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQvmicdYoM

[strong gulch]

There was a change awhile back. Just gotta re-equip them

[marble crater]

I can't wait for the patch that resets our cosmetics back to the tutorial one

[zealous wing]

gun, FGS

infantry autogun mark vraks, reconlas whatever the brrrt one is

[strong gulch]

@verbal thistle You might know this. Does accessing the ordo shop, hadron, or looking at the talent tree make a player unavailable when trying to hit play for a mission?

[verbal thistle]

only if someone is in loading

either character screen

or loading screen

[strong gulch]

I keep getting a player not available and it looks like they are in operatibe select but they aren't.

[verbal thistle]

a bug

idk why it happens

[strong gulch]

rip

[weary crane]

I made an OP hivescum build

No melee build

No desperado either

No keystone

[ripe obsidian]

Friends, countrymen, does this look good? As I said earlier, Ninja said I looked creepy, and I want to maintain that image.

After all, he is Gloomy-Kreepus

[tardy pumice]

can someone help me understand why psyker is apparently so OP?

[ripe obsidian]

Infinite cleave on 2 weapons, no ammo, no grenades, insane toughness regen, very high damage output, 40%+ crit rate without even trying

[ripe obsidian]

Hexis!

Judge my fashion for the contest!

[zealous wing]

whatever shows face

eyes at least

[ripe obsidian]

The picture is like 3 posts up

D:

[zealous wing]

works

brain workn't

[ripe obsidian]

No need brain

[zealous wing]

i dont like those pants

but that just me

[ripe obsidian]

Which pants would you use? I like the studs. They seem menacing.

[zealous wing]

am not on scum rn

[ripe obsidian]

And the leather matches the top

Color-wise

[royal totem]

wots the build

[weary crane]

I'll make it on gameslantern

[royal totem]

ty ty

[nocturne wasp]

[tardy pumice]

i use duelling sword, is that ok too?

[ripe obsidian]

Dueling sword cannot do what is shown in the video.

[tardy pumice]

or is that sword better?

[zealous wing]

depends what your ranged is

[tardy pumice]

flamer staff

[zealous wing]

then yes, deimos or obscurus

[tardy pumice]

whats that?

[zealous wing]

force sword marks

[tardy pumice]

ah ok

ty

whats the dump stat on deimos?

warp resistance?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

With or without the bandana?

[royal totem]

if Chaos can get away with knife and flame staff, then i'm sure you can get away with DS and flame staff. don't listen to the nay sayers! just be your own best!

[subtle geode]

is illisi bad?

[ripe obsidian]

Illisi is surpassed by the force greatsword in every metric but mobility

[subtle geode]

Which is the better mark of the last 2 then

[ripe obsidian]

Obscurus is better but harder. Deimos is more defensive and easier to use.

[rough vault]

I haven't been able to find any information on this but what are the stats of the warpshock slash on the force greatsword?

[subtle geode]

How are they different?

[ripe obsidian]

Moveset, mostly.

Obscurus's Heavy > Light > Light combo is brutal

Deimos's L1 > H2 combo will heavy stagger crushers and unshielded captains on a headshot

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/622281b0c035959d2a1e3e9108712515672d26f9/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_swords_2h/settings_templates/force_sword_2h_damage_profile_templates.lua#L801

[subtle geode]

what perk and blessings for a flame build with obscurus?

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz uses +2 stamina/+25% maniac on the sword and Deflector/Uncanny or Precognition

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0705540-b83a-4e7e-bff1-40330620458d/blows-up-mind-with-warp-powers

Example

Alternatively, Maniac + Carapace

[subtle geode]

is flame staff not better than blast for flame?

[ripe obsidian]

I was just talking about the sword

For firestick, I have that info in the pinned build guide

[tulip kettle]

also, please dont listen to ainz

not because theyre bad, literally the opposite

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz is good enough to do things that a vast majority of players cannot

I would probably take Carapace + Maniac and Uncanny + Deflector/Superiority/Precognition on Obscurus, personally.

[tulip kettle]

yup

maybe unyielding on sword if you dont take it and instead take crit on your flame staff

[ripe obsidian]

This is a fair point

I usually take flak + unyielding on the firestick

+crit is better for nonhavoc, I think

[tulip kettle]

i prefer roku personally

[royal totem]

not to be a bother but did you finish by chance? :3

[ripe obsidian]

My scum is level 19 so far. I have unlocked damnation, but my weapons are too weak to carry it, and I do not trust randoms.

[strong gulch]

we have a group going if you want to join

[ripe obsidian]

Trying out Rampage was very fun. I like it a lot more than Desperado, but I think I need to be level 30 w/ proper guns for Desperado to feel great. Also need to play on a difficulty that has enough enemies to keep it going.

[strong gulch]

full rn but you can tak my spot

[ripe obsidian]

I do not wish to steal from thee

[subtle geode]

why not go for channeling force and empyric shock in the inferno + bubble build?

[strong gulch]

ninja has to leave soon anyways

[ripe obsidian]

I only have time for one game before I need to go be an adult and wash dishes and such

[ripe obsidian]

They are bad.

[strong gulch]

I can take a smol break

pacing is good

[subtle geode]

how so?

[ripe obsidian]

Channeled Force does weird things to your tempo, and Empyric Shock lowers your damage on everything but bosses

There is basically no situation where hitting LMB 5 times then swapping to RMB is useful

And it's a per-enemy debuff, not a self-buff

So you have to reapply it to every enemy

Channeled Force ostensibly increases your damage output, but you're losing Blaze Away stacks every time you swap between LMB and RMB

And you have to constantly swap between them

It's just inefficient and losing blaze away is bad

Plus it forces you to play in a non-optimal way by swapping between them. Sometimes you want to spam LMB, sometimes RMB. Having to cycle between them to keep up a buff is bad for reacting to the situation at hand

[weary crane]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07b4047-e2e7-46cf-b3d8-c1e3f9f90304/toxin-spam

I use it for havoc

[ripe obsidian]

No uncanny on Shivs. >:(

[royal totem]

thank you! time to be toxic 😏 (in all honesty i use dependency right now but like it's kinda broken

[weary crane]

I basically never use melee for this

[strong gulch]

Outside of LMB spam builds like on EK, the only time ES would be useful on inferno when you're kiting backwards and don't have a force sword with uncanny on it.

But that is so niche and still there are other things to pick.

[royal totem]

hmmm.....it's not actually too different from mine other than that i use saw and not shivs

[zinc phoenix]

It’s bad on 🍔 atus but kinda nice on trauma.

On trauma you do full charges often but you usually aren’t spamming them

And you usually want to spend some time sniping out specials and whatnot

The sad thing is flurry rending doesn’t work with the primary on trauma 😭

[royal totem]

which needle gun mark makes enemies explode?

[prime elk]

VI

[weary crane]

For the build you wanna use alt fire on mk2

Unless it's crushers then use normal fire

Just keep spamming the pistol and box

[subtle geode]

my flame staff has flak/unyielding + blaze away/warp nexus

[dusk void]

No Critical Strike Chance Perk?

[royal totem]

Why alt fire

[subtle geode]

idk what's good

[weary crane]

Because it spreads to nearby enemies, so it gives you AOE

[royal totem]

what does the non-explosion version do?

[subtle geode]

i got crit chance on the blessing though

[dusk void]

This is what's good for the Purgatus/Inferno Staff

[royal totem]

got it. ty

[royal totem]

alt fire is special right?

[weary crane]

Yes

It's a hard build to use

Very weird but it works

[subtle geode]

what about curios then?

[royal totem]

do i click special every single time to make it keep alt firing or do i just press it once, activate and forget. then deactivate for crushers >.> sorry not sure how the special on it works

[weary crane]

You can see on the back what mode it's in

Yellow is normal, blue is special

[royal totem]

got it

i'll try it out later

[dusk void]

This is what I run. You can definitely change up some of these perks according to your playstyle/preference. There's no one way to go about it.

[ripe obsidian]

I thought I had curios in the guide. I will add that later today

[subtle geode]

i didn't see any weapons or curios but i could've missed it

[ripe obsidian]

I have weapons listed

Staves, at least

Curios, I do not

I need to add those.

I have been slacking hard on melee weapons and guns

[strong gulch]

Valid

[subtle geode]

that's what i meant by weapons but yeah no curios

[ripe obsidian]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.b4jqiwovcf0g

Here are the firestick blessings and perks

[subtle geode]

is all the stamina needed for flame dome?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not recommend stamina regen on Psyker.

Or sprint efficiency tbh

[strong gulch]

How you build deimos for inferno vs a main weapon is different.

[ripe obsidian]

I do 2x toughess 17% + 1x health 21%, then 3x of each 4% CDR, 20% gunner resist, 5% toughness or whatever the max revive speed one is

[subtle geode]

oh it seems i missed it then

[strong gulch]

curios are choose your own adventure, but it gets fiddly if you try to explain things (especially for havocs and the way thing stack or are calculated)

There stam + KD for parry and PA

What most end up taking is x2 toughness. That's the most common ground.

[subtle geode]

isn't 3 gunner resist only 50% not 60 because of diminishing returns?

[royal totem]

in some way, this whole game is choose your own adventure. there are things that are much better, but whether it's suited for you or not is a diff question.

[subtle geode]

so would a burster resist not make sense and then 2 gunner resist?

[ripe obsidian]

No

That is incorrect

You have to think of it in terms of effective HP, not resist

[subtle geode]

i heard it maybe a year ago

[strong gulch]

Depends a lot on what you're trying to do and if havoc or not.

You can get to 201 HP to get a burster break point, but is not worth to try for that specifically in havoc because of the corruption and smaller Hp

[dusk void]

Why need gunner resist when you’re criting with Empathic Evasion?

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so 20% resist 3x does total to like 48.8% resist. But 48.8% resist is also 200% effective HP. 67% resist would be 300% HP. 75% would be 400% HP. Etc.

[strong gulch]

Because crits are gambling and havoc is less forgiving.

[ripe obsidian]

20% resist is 125% EHP
2x is 36% resist, which is 156% EHP
3x is 48.8% resist, which is 195% EHP

People who don't understand the math see that 48.8% is less than 60% and assume it's worse

[ripe obsidian]

If EE drops for a couple seconds, a single reaper can and will turn you to paste. Gunners are more dangerous than any other common enemy. Crits are gambling, as Potato said, and gunners are scary.

[strong gulch]

Even a stalker can be scary.

[zealous wing]

stalkers dont have resist tho

so they're more scary

[ripe obsidian]

True

[zealous wing]

shotGUNNERS too

[ripe obsidian]

3x resist means you can survive gunners and reapers almost twice as long

And this game is decided by seconds

[wispy bay]

You need continuous fire for EE to be effective. The only actual havoc weapon for that is just the Inferno staff.

[zealous wing]

surge surge

[ripe obsidian]

I have 40-45% crit on average on Inferno stick. There is definitely enough time for EE to drop and a gunner to kill me.

[strong gulch]

no

I hate them

[subtle geode]

would a flame dome psyker and a scrierz gaze smyker be a good combo for a team?

[strong gulch]

GUNNER IS EVEN IN THE NAME 😭

so rude

[ripe obsidian]

Ostensibly, yes. In practice, no.

Because the other two teammates don't get to play the game

[subtle geode]

so it's really good but no fun

[zealous wing]

and then the smyker dies, then what

[ripe obsidian]

Correct

[strong gulch]

LMB does suprisingly well.

[subtle geode]

but it would work on havoc 40 no?

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is very strong in every case but Final Toll in Havoc.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[royal totem]

Rinda go nyoom

[strong gulch]

nurgle bless too

[zealous wing]

rinda goes after inferno first

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone who says Smite is bad is incorrect. It is very strong. It's just frustrating

[subtle geode]

just for fun what would you put as the last 2 teammates?

[royal totem]

Red stim

[zealous wing]

it happens every single game i play, rinda goes for inferno

[ripe obsidian]

I have a few paragraphs on the community opinion of Smite in the guide

[zealous wing]

its bad.

[wispy bay]

Lol, red havoc is one of the worst modifier ever.

[zealous wing]

its not worthlessly bad, its just, bad to deal with

[dull scroll]

EE lets you survive the impossible, but if you play too much eventually you bite the bullet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6nkjJlZH54

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma Veteran to snipe specials and hit Crushers with Krak, and probably Hammer + Stealth Zealot to one-bop bosses.

[wispy bay]

Ganger has a version of EE that makes you immune to everything.

[zealous wing]

good luck getting a team like that tho that actually work together

[dull scroll]

If I didn't greed EE at the end there in that clip I could have clutched 😒

[ripe obsidian]

With randoms? Yeah, no chance. With premade people who don't mind doing nothing for most of the game? Easy peasy.

[ripe obsidian]

Ganger also has a fraction of Psyker's toughness regen

[zealous wing]

does have an ability that insta refills all toughness tho

[strong gulch]

EE going brrrrr
"Yippee I'm immortal!"
a couple non crit rolls
"Uh oh I'm dead."
dies of death

[wispy bay]

Yes, definitely not at psyker level, but like I wrote the other day, definitely an 8/10 like vet.

[strong gulch]

EE greed is real

[royal totem]

I retired my stealth zealot build

Was too memes

[ripe obsidian]

Rampage?

[zealous wing]

ye

also with the subnode for the shout, it pulses once when start, once when ends

[ripe obsidian]

When things level out and people learn the class, I think you're probably right.

[zealous wing]

means if clutching, use rampage if you hear a dog but dunno where it is, then if you get dogged, the pulse when rampage ends will push the dog off

you can also shout a monster off a cliff

[ripe obsidian]

Rampage really feels like the best ability outside of blight havoc

[zealous wing]

ye, desperado also strong

[wispy bay]

Vet has a better melee and ranged balance.

Ganger is either full ranged, full melee or full toxic proc.

[wispy bay]

Brother, Desperado is insanely strong.

[subtle geode]

which ability do you prefer for smite?

[wispy bay]

You are literally unkillable for over a minute every times you activate it.

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek. Damage and peril clear. Scrier's is also good for endless smiting.

[ripe obsidian]

It is strong, yes, but Rampage feels strongerer

[wispy bay]

It has the burn out timer, which can get you kill in 1 hit.

By anything

Otherwise, for the offensive, it is the probably the better one.

I saw that.

[heavy dagger]

😂😂😂

[still field]

good evening siblings

[vague musk]

does cleave do anything to smite?

[subtle geode]

is endless smiting good for higher difficulties?

[zealous wing]

endlessly smiting gets you hated

[vague musk]

Scrier is insaine for endless smiting if you get warp unbound, can just keep chaining them

[zealous wing]

if by good you mean turning off the game, turning off peoples on-dodge talents and blessings, making the game really boring, you dealing minimal damage, you lagging behind the group because youre just holding smite, then sure

permasmite is something you expect to see on uprising or malice, maybe heresy, but when it shows up in damnation, auric, or emperor forbid, havoc, keep a better eye on barrels suddenly going off next to you

the surge in smyker numbers is abyssmal, and i cannot wait for it to be over. preferably via the complete and total removal of smite

[swift stag]

https://tenor.com/view/smuckers-orange-marmalade-jam-smuckers-jam-orange-jam-gif-7873823899302390047

[wet belfry]

Its mediocre for havoc, usually a waste of a player slot, especially for a psyker.

[vague musk]

I do wish they'd rework psykers

[zealous wing]

psyker itself is fine, smite, is just painful to deal with

[swift stag]

for the 5th time? xD

[vague musk]

nah a full rework imo

[deft stump]

@zealous wing Hex, do you think you can carry Auric train and No man's land for campaign? XD

[ripe obsidian]

It is a viable strategy, bur it has the same issues of fun and teammate opinion as anything else. The only time I was relieved to see a Smyker was during rotten armor havoc on hard maps.

[royal totem]

i'm really bad at no man's land ._.

also, why do you need to do it on auric?

[deft stump]

Frame.

[ripe obsidian]

I know. Is why I recommended it. D:

[deft stump]

THere's a penance for finishing the campaign on auric.

I noticed I did the second one on auric already.

Likely from when I just went Arby and quickplayed.

[ripe obsidian]

I have several paragraphs of smite info on the guide covering stuff like this, if you want to review, suggest edits, copy+paste, etc.

[vague musk]

I feel like psyker has so much more potential then just low level mage

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate?

[vague musk]

currently what psyker has is just really simple, for what could easily be a complex class

you got flamethrower, generic lightning, whatever the crystals are, etc

i guess there is brainburst

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I have suggested things like frenzying lesser enemies as Shriek's second subnode instead of whatever is there now

Or replacing smite with an ability that forces enemies to run to or away from a point you designate

[mighty cipher]

The 200 damage blast with shotgun level falloff?

[ripe obsidian]

It's not that anymore

Now it's +10% damage to enemies hit and they deal 10% less damage. Or something.

It's garbage

[vague musk]

also wish peril got a change or something

[mighty cipher]

That exactly. And yeah

[vague musk]

its either just number you keep down or you ignore

the warp I feel could be more

[ripe obsidian]

My suggestion for a Psyker rework was that low peril should be high single target damage and high peril for high AoE

To add a meaningful choice

Do you want to burn hordes? What do you do when a boss shows up?

So talents like +x% damage to the first target hit, decreasing as you approach 100% peril

Or +x damage if you hit 3+ targets with an attack, increasing as you approach 100% peril

And so on and so forth

[potent sparrow]

Best mission to accomplish the Cliffhanger penance? Kill 7 enemies within 2 seconds by knocking them off a ledge. Does this mean I have to warp push a group off a ledge into an infinite bottom drop? Or can I knock off 1 or 2 and sword kill the ones that don't fall off?

within 2 seconds of those who did fall?

[ripe obsidian]

#psyker-class message

[potent sparrow]

thanks!

[ripe obsidian]

I am done being a productive human, so back to leveling scum

[potent sparrow]

So the smite counts as knocking them off when they take the continued damage from smite as they jump down. That's cheese and I love it

[ripe obsidian]

That penance sucks. Cheese it.

[mighty cipher]

Just found out that the psykarnium bounds wall has a limited height

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

You can poxburst over it

[obtuse dragon]

anyone have a melee focused build with force greatsword and pair it with bolt pistol focused on speed and toughness?

[ripe obsidian]

In the pinsssssssssssssssssss

[strong gulch]

There's builds in the pins. Go to the melee section of the build bonanza.

If you don't want SG, you can do shriek assail DD with bistol and FGS