psyker-class

[oblique ember]

Yep with the right blessing bit the one hander and grearsword can

[strong gulch]

You need deflector on a force melee to block ranged. Blocks the bullets that you're facing.

[glacial field]

still better than nothing

[strong gulch]

force melee = force sword for FGS (force great sword)

[glacial field]

sometimes i have a heavy gunner behind and i need a sheild when no wals are close

[strong gulch]

If no deflector or cover, looking away and dodge sliding helps

[ripe obsidian]

Deflector is good. It's not the strongest blessing, but it's good.

It's defensive, and the name of the game is usually offensive

If an enemy is dead, it can't get'cha

[oblique ember]

Goot when you need a moment to breath and reasses though

Its definatly a playstyle preference

[ripe obsidian]

I was using Deflector for a very long time

Swapped to Superiority on force swords a while back

It's less significant on non-Rotten Armor missions

But in rotten armor, Superiority is a game changer

[strong gulch]

Ye

but scary

[ripe obsidian]

Kill or be killed

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s

Spoiler for the movie "Wizards"

Fair warning.

But very relevant to Kill or be Killed

[strong gulch]

Then I shall not watch and hopefully one day see the whole thing.

[ripe obsidian]

It's a good movie

[zinc phoenix]

ok im now really into boosted left click for trauma

also... era of flurry rending?

[ripe obsidian]

I have seen several people recommend it

I am deeply amused by the people screaming about Hive Scum being too weak... 2.5 days into the class being released

[zinc phoenix]

if you psyker away all the carapace they do much better

[ripe obsidian]

And I like this meme as well

[zinc phoenix]

its rlly fun to play too

nice addition

[strong gulch]

I'm not playing super hard content, but I am just left clicking and shit dies. It's kinda silly. Like, I feel a nerf coming because of the toxin stuff.

[ripe obsidian]

Toxin seems ridiculous

The stim box active is amazing on slime havocs

[zinc phoenix]

whats sad is tox side of the tree is kind of bad

all the power is in the weapons

[deft stump]

What competent? You get a half asleep sailor.

[zinc phoenix]

yeah box corruption removal is nice for havoc lol

[ripe obsidian]

I have only had a stim box scum on a blight spreads havoc, and it was so good

[zinc phoenix]

i had fun leveling it

[strong gulch]

I weapons so far feel pretty good.

[zinc phoenix]

the early levels are really easy to carry with the starting weapons

[ripe obsidian]

But overall, my havoc winrate with non-scum is... 90% or higher? Maybe even 100%. I don't have mods turned on to check. With scum is probably <50%, maybe even lower.

[deft stump]

See dog spam, slap it down. Works in random missions so nice as well.

[zinc phoenix]

you can dump some cash to boost em

[ripe obsidian]

I assume it's because few people know the class yet

[strong gulch]

I even did my dual auto mastery by just playing them.

I will say tho, switching modes on the crowbar feels off.

[zinc phoenix]

i like the bar switch but its a good idea to do it after popping rampage so nothing can wack you

[deft stump]

Isn't it the same in lower diff? I keep watching Gangers explode to anything.

[zinc phoenix]

crowbar is definitely a rampage weapon

[ripe obsidian]

I have only played havoc, so I dunno

The lowest level mission I have done since scum came out was like H34, I think

[deft stump]

Oh. I see the same from Uprising to Auric.

[zinc phoenix]

the event was pretty fun

[deft stump]

Clip and BOOM.

[zinc phoenix]

im not sure what im gonna do wiht the cash shop money b/c i dont really want that stuff

[deft stump]

Hoard it till something?

[ripe obsidian]

@verbal thistle Do you have a flurry + rending trauma? I have heard several people say it's good, and I want to add it to the build guide.

[zinc phoenix]

based on shop prices it will buy me a trinket and nothing more so ig ill just forget about it

[verbal thistle]

no I dont

but if I did I would use EP BB

[ripe obsidian]

The steam reviews for hive scum amuse me.

[verbal thistle]

speaking of scum

[strong gulch]

Dom has been liking it with SG

[verbal thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Cm1r5iLzk

[ripe obsidian]

@tulip kettle gib build den

[deft stump]

If you saved from the last time, it would get you a weapon skin.

[potent echo]

Where's man

[verbal thistle]

here

[ripe obsidian]

What is your opinion of the scum's power level, Grand Duke Ainz?

As compared to other classes

[verbal thistle]

top

well

psyker is leagues above everyone

but scum is best of the normal classses

[potent echo]

Also for dual .45, do you use the trickshot or it's only for ranged sniping

[zinc phoenix]

i skipped that one, it looked kinda lame lol

the fire one right?

[ripe obsidian]

If I'm talking out of ten, it seems to be, like,

Psyker - 10/10
Ogryn - 8/10
Vet - 7/10
Zealot 5/10

Not sure where scum fits in.

[deft stump]

Oh, You skipped the skulls event? I mean the other 500 free Aqulias. So 1k now.

[patent jacinth]

Vet is better than ogryn at this point

[viscid matrix]

Above zealot, below vet

[ripe obsidian]

These steam reviews are fantastic

[patent jacinth]

Excepting stupid garbage like bumbler

[ripe obsidian]

Fair. I was debating making them both 8/10. This is not a definitive ranking by any means

[potent echo]

It's so much harder to clutch with scum

[ripe obsidian]

I just really like having an Ogryn frontline

[potent echo]

[oblique ember]

Review sounds like a guy tjhat doesnt know how to avoid damage

[wispy bay]

Arby is a 6 but the dog is + 2 to 3.

[ripe obsidian]

A good vet does seem to have higher highs than a good Ogryn

But a baseline Ogryn player is often more benefit than a baseline vet player in anything that isn't rotten armor

[ripe obsidian]

Arby got hit pretty hard with the shock mine nerf. Requires more effort to perform well. Still very tanky, still makes space very well with BtL

[zinc phoenix]

with despacito build its pretty easy

you just gun gun gun

chem nade if theres a crusher blob

[potent echo]

True

I'm just making my life harder with rampage rocket

[zinc phoenix]

i solo clutched with it several times on the tank mission on auric

which is pretty much expected because boy do people get merked on that one

[potent echo]

No man's land

[zinc phoenix]

TONK GO wah wah wah

[potent echo]

When I ran with my friend I got like 5 reapers and 20 shotgunners at the end trench

[zinc phoenix]

i really thought theyd give it a coax and have it gun down some herussy

[ripe obsidian]

The deluxe Scum upgrade does... not look very good, imo

[potent echo]

When I ran other times it's like 4 ragers

Director

[deft stump]

To be fair, if you go dog, you are unlikely to have shock mines.

[zinc phoenix]

i strongly appreciate them doing it that way. all the cool cosmetics came free

[ripe obsidian]

This is true. I have been going doggo since the nerf instead of lone wolf

[wispy bay]

Rampage build is much better with flash bang than with rocket.

[zinc phoenix]

my gal is a golden cheetah print goddess

[zinc phoenix]

yeah but penance hunting

[potent echo]

I think so too

[ripe obsidian]

It's going decently. I'm playing kinda poorly, though. So a lot of my mistakes are very avoidable.

[potent echo]

I will run pocket sand next..

[royal totem]

O

[ripe obsidian]

Went 30 to 37 this season on doggo Arby, then 37 to 40 on Shriek Inferno (because wildfire got patched)

[royal totem]

i'm still going dogless

[ripe obsidian]

My dog did like 20% of my total damage with only the shock jaws damage upgrade

[wispy bay]

Desperado with speed load is so fun, I can stay up for like 3 minutes.

[ripe obsidian]

Like 250k of 1.1m

[potent echo]

Whats going on

[strong gulch]

Game forkin gave up.

[deft stump]

I like making myself question if I'm on my Arby or my Ganger.

[zinc phoenix]

gotta worship saint methalina by throwin them pop rocks

[royal totem]

i got killed by cranial 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

Arby's deluxe skin is pretty good. I swap between the coat for doggo builds and deluxe skin for Lone Wolf

[wind spruce]

Looks alright in first person

[ripe obsidian]

I normally like long coats, but something about this one just makes me feel eh

[deft stump]

It's the inner shirt.

[wind spruce]

It actually fits my dude alright

[ripe obsidian]

You might be right

[deft stump]

The coat itself is fine.

[wind spruce]

Makes him look like a distinguished older gentleman in the yakuza

[deft stump]

I wish it was just a plain or lightly armoured thing.

[strong gulch]

I became immortal later... until I didn't lmao.

[deft stump]

Not this weird striped thing.

[wind spruce]

Let's gooo

[ripe obsidian]

I am mildly curious if Ainz feels Scum is better than all but Psyker because Ainz is just really good

And the general populace is not.

Hence the complaining.

[wind spruce]

Fucking hell I could only dream of being this precise

[ripe obsidian]

So Ainz can hit those high highs consistently, whereas Arby has a super low skill floor and is forgiving of most mistakes

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, Ainz makes me feel like a sedition player

[deft stump]

Arby is very low floor, but can be a decently high celling.

Ganger is meleeker taken to 11.

[strong gulch]

If you have a decent tree and your weapons are not maxxed, then it feels bad.

But that's like all of the classes.

[ripe obsidian]

The skill ceiling of Arby is paying attention to your team instead of running off alone

My only real wishlist for Arby, balance-wise, is for Nuncio to be able to reposition by pressing the ult button again

[wind spruce]

@verbal thistle noob

[verbal thistle]

got bodyblocked

that bruiser

[deft stump]

You mean, target prioritization to the max because bad trapper bad.

[potent echo]

Should cspawn take damage when eating scum

[strong gulch]

I leveled with the weapons only emps gave me. They were not great. I didn't change them.

After I hit 30, I put on a decent build and maxxed weapons. Now it just random bullshit go with no need for precision and shit dies.

I'm just spamming shiv lights.

[deft stump]

Or just confused and high and lul.

[ripe obsidian]

Not just target prioritization, but yes. Also using BtL and/or shield special to keep armor off your team, using heavies to keep enemies staggered, not sprinting into the middle of nowhere to fight ragers

Keeping boss aggro

[potent echo]

Any pro tips about dodging cspawn grab (in live games)

[deft stump]

I will sprint (BTL) in to fight ragers if it keeps the team alive.

[verbal thistle]

one sec

[potent echo]

It seems to be different in psyk

[verbal thistle]

offline and online different

[ripe obsidian]

I am usually frustrated when I see a Castigator + shotgun Arby, because I know they're gonna hide behind me and just ammo dump

[verbal thistle]

here

[ripe obsidian]

Being intelligent about when it will keep the team alive is the key

[potent echo]

To the right but also not really and cannot be too back

[ripe obsidian]

I anticipate seeing a lot fewer H40 Arbies since shock mine has been nerfed

[verbal thistle]

back only in offline

[potent echo]

Understandable

[ripe obsidian]

I only used shock mines in rotten armor, to be fair

It was necessary to keep teams of randoms alive

Also final toll is in rotation, which further limits shock mines

[strong gulch]

If you're up against a wall, you can make its movement more predictable and lock them into overheads.

[ripe obsidian]

I have purchased scum now, since you all praise its gameplay so

[wind spruce]

Mega fun dude

[ripe obsidian]

Still need a name. Nothing works yet.

[wispy bay]

I think scum is on part with vet, but in a different play style.

[ripe obsidian]

So

Psyker 10/10
Vet/Scum 8/10
Ogryn 7/10
Arby 6/10
Zealot 5/10

?

[wispy bay]

More close ranged focus.

High skill celling, but you can do a lot of things with speed.

[deft stump]

Is fun, but isn't a class you can play half asleep.

And this is considering I derp around half asleep on vet at times.

[strong gulch]

I like it. That is all I can say. Leveling is a little bit turd, but I've had fun.

I will say tho, if you feel overstimulated or just off, switch off scum. The class just might be too much sometimes for some of us.

[ripe obsidian]

I can't be half asleep on vet. I can on Psyker. I die too easily on Vet

[strong gulch]

Nem, Hexis, and myself all had overstimulation issues at some point.

[deft stump]

Oh, I know the feel. It's literally knoife zealot on drugs.

But you don't have until death nor all the funny TDR.

[strong gulch]

Yeah. SG DD knife psyker could never.

[deft stump]

Old meleeker is the closest thing... And that's... A style IDK how to even do.

[strong gulch]

This is true. It's more toughness gen so long as you have things to hit.

[wispy bay]

Some build is quite crazy. Like Desperado allows you to be immune to ALL damage.

[ripe obsidian]

In terms of easy to play for me, at this point, it's Psyker > Arby >> Zealot > Vet >>> Ogryn. Not sure where scum will slot in.

[wispy bay]

If you get fast reload speed, you are basically invincible.

[ripe obsidian]

I like Vet more than Zealot, but I just die

[wispy bay]

After ogryn for sure then

[ripe obsidian]

I die more on Ogryn.

Hence the triple >

[wispy bay]

Yes

I know what you mean.

[deft stump]

Is basically, can you knoife zealot with OLD meleeker "toughness"?

[wispy bay]

Again, depending on build.

[deft stump]

If yes, the class will totally be great.

[wispy bay]

Rampage yes. Desperado is like gun psyker.

[ripe obsidian]

Why can I not dye my scum's beard the same color as their hair

this is some bullshit

refund pls

[wispy bay]

Early game will be rough.

As rough as psyker early game I dare say.

[deft stump]

Because beards only got default colours cos FS forgot, I guess. Same for eyebrows.

[strong gulch]

Maybe more so. For me it was.

Psyker gets assail.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[wispy bay]

That's true.

[deft stump]

Naw, is worse. It's Psyker with Vet problems.

Paper as kark, reliant on weapons.

[strong gulch]

Stam good tho

Scum can breathe

[deft stump]

Can't even 'cheat' with maxed knoife...

Cos that's a lvl 16 thing.

Tacaxe is your best bet.

[patent jacinth]

Solution
Play 1 game of rolling steel via campaign
Win or lose
Make a rating 500 tac axe

[deft stump]

Run Agile maybe.

[patent jacinth]

Agile is gross

Just run it normal

[deft stump]

Yes, but braindead what is that light spam build and mark?

[wispy bay]

Oh, Desperado doesn't use reserve ammo, so you can shoot forever.

[patent jacinth]

Light spamming tac axe is infinitely worse than playing it correctly

[wispy bay]

Mk7 Taxe is the light spam one.

[patent jacinth]

Nope

Mk4

[wispy bay]

Isn't the mk4 the one with wider swing?

[patent jacinth]

You need rampage to horde clear effectively on mk4, or some otherwise pretty strong juice

[wispy bay]

Same for its heavy

[patent jacinth]

Diagonal lights overhead heavies

[wispy bay]

Mk7 can light tap because it has both diagonal and over head light.

[patent jacinth]

That makes it worse for light spam

Mk7 has like 1 actually useful light for "cleave"

[ripe obsidian]

This is what he'll look like.

I went as pirate as possible

Also, my favorite color is purple, so

[patent jacinth]

Water cartel
The end of your days draws nearer

[ripe obsidian]

I'm thinking... Doomy-something for the name, maybe?

[potent echo]

I tend to hug them like vt2 cspawn, but it's a little less consistent

[deft stump]

I went the Show... Realised Stimm spam is them anyway.

[potent echo]

I hate players that run away from bosses

Why are they running

Why are they running

[ripe obsidian]

The Show fits the background more, but the Water Cartel fits the aesthetic

Since I made him a barkeep

But I need purple pirate

Maybe Doomy-Cheapus? Hmmm

Doomy-Kreepus, if I want to steal another character's name

But then I could just do Gloomy-Kreepus

[ashen edge]

I just realized that water cartel sign looks like the absolute cult sign from baldur's gate 3

[deft stump]

I just like to share my red/blu stimm.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna do Gloomy-Kreepus. I can rename my 2nd psyker to Doomy-something later.

[wispy bay]

Squid face

[strong gulch]

I like Gloomy Kreepus.

Doomy-Slurmpus

[ripe obsidian]

Gloomy-Kreepus it is and shall be

[strong gulch]

I've done it. I got a real curio now.

[ripe obsidian]

This Scum cutsene is far better than the trailer they dropped to announce the class

[deft stump]

Hilarious much. Might as well just post it and mention it as the intro.

[wispy bay]

I dislike ganger tops.

[restive roost]

I get a real kick pulling the trigger of a Mk XII recon lasgun, and with scryer's gaze I lose braincells. I end up getting downed.

[ripe obsidian]

As do I.

[wispy bay]

The big I hanging in between the legs is so dumb.

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone doing doofy missions? I needs tah level my boyo

[kindred geyser]

what about ganger bottoms

[ripe obsidian]

I also haven't tried the trench map yet

[strong gulch]

I can join in a moment

[ripe obsidian]

They're all brats.

[strong gulch]

Imagine if this were WR.

[ripe obsidian]

But they bring their own leather goods.

That'd be a beauty

[wispy bay]

I would like to play, but the class is honestly exhausting.

[wispy bay]

Stub on pants... Though not the worst.

[ripe obsidian]

Whatcha wanna do @strong gulch

Map-wise.

I only have uprising unless you pick the difficulty

Could also do whatever the event maps are. I have not yet done it

[strong gulch]

Anything. I just unlocked auric.

[ripe obsidian]

I can try to Auric, but it would go poorly.

[strong gulch]

We could try whatever you want or do heresy or damns

auric it is

[ripe obsidian]

Heresy or Damnation on event maps would work best

But I am down for whatever

[languid furnace]

How so? I’ve only played a bit of it so far, I have mixed feelings

I’m curious what others think

[languid furnace]

What’s the lowest you’ve ever rolled for WR?

[steel bone]

Hey guys. I'm a Psyker noob but I got my character to 30. It plays decent. I do notice on rare instance, I'll be riding my usual high peril. Most times that's not a problem especially since I constantly have ult. However sometimes I think I'm still safe, and I down myself? Like, there won't be the tentacles warning me or anything.
Any tips or UI thing I need to pay attention to. Cause I know a good Psyker shouldn't be downing

[languid furnace]

It’s fantastic. Honestly one of the best missions in the game IMO

[strong gulch]

There's a lot of visuals, the gameplay is fast and frenetic.

Scum can be overstimulating.

[strong gulch]

I think 13 with 80 on everything else. I think that's correct.

[languid furnace]

I can see that, I’ve played a bit but I’m not crazy about it

Maybe it’s just a skill issue but it just feels frustrating a lot of the time. I want to play it more eventually but it feels like I have to do it in short intervals

[languid furnace]

Damn

[steel bone]

Rolling Steel & No Man's Land are my favorites easily

[languid furnace]

Same

[compact cargo]

Rolling steel xp gain is pitiful

[languid furnace]

Rolling Steel can be frustrating if you have a bad team

[languid furnace]

I have been playing 40K in one form another, on tabletop or in video games, since I was 13 years old (I’m 31 now)
And No Man’s Land might be one of the best adaptations of 40K I’ve ever seen. If I had to pick a single piece of media to show a total newcomer what the setting is all about, it would be No Man’s Land

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

Got nil. D:

So.

So, so, so.

[strong gulch]

That was happening the whole time.

[ripe obsidian]

The knives the game gave me

Break the toughness regen talent

"There is currently a bug: Once an enemy has been killed by an instakill caused by Hyper-Critical or the Haymaker weapon blessing, the talent cannot be procced anymore."

I thought my talents hadn't saved.

[strong gulch]

uhhhhhhh

That's enough for me

Gotta do things and stop this mod

[ripe obsidian]

Okeydokey artichokey

Thanks for the games

[strong gulch]

Thanks for games

Unrelated.

I got an LCD writing tablet recently to take quick notes with. Love it. Can't go back to the before times now.

It's like the modern version of a wax tablet.

[ripe obsidian]

Nice, I'm glad it's working for you

[strong gulch]

Honestly seems like the way to go for a lot of people. Like get off the roller coaster for a bit or something.

[strong gulch]

The memory was almost correct. It was damage. I wanted to see how low the dump stat would be with all others 80. 13 is the lowest that I've seen.

[languid furnace]

That sounds so useful, honestly. My ADHD brain doesn’t remember things unless I write them down 😅😅
Tablets are also awesome if you do any kind of artwork, being able to erase without smudging and damaging the paper is a game changer

[strong gulch]

btw @ripe obsidian , you've died very little

good job

[languid furnace]

Oh wow. I want to say I’ve gotten an inferno staff in the low teens, like, 13-14%?

[strong gulch]

SAME

I have this scheduler thing with a clock, alarms, visual timer, buttons to check stuff off, and the LCD tablet together.

[strong gulch]

That's pretty dumped!

[strong gulch]

Something like this.

The lists are customizable.

OMG
Why are these listing for $100 USD?? fecking no

[languid furnace]

@modest patrol I immediately thought of you hehe

[strong gulch]

Brain gang?

[languid furnace]

My brain would somehow STILL forget something 😅😅

[ripe obsidian]

But I did little damage

[strong gulch]

Ye. Poxwalker is like mauler.

[languid furnace]

My IRL partner, we both have ADHD, she uses a lot of organizational stuff like this

[modest patrol]

This is beautiful omg

My computer desk is a whiteboard surface

Great for taking quick notes

[strong gulch]

incredible

[languid furnace]

YES, it’s so useful to look at. When I come in to play games after you work, it’s always covered in notes and phone numbers

[strong gulch]

gotta keep it clear for notes

[modest patrol]

Scruffy version of dog included in that picture

[languid furnace]

D-Tier dog there, smh

[modest patrol]

Yesss and that little caddy on the left side has about twenty dry erase markers in two thicknesses

[modest patrol]

Don’t bully our son 😭

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie you're up yet my boi wanna play couple games?

[summer prairie]

sure

[summer prairie]

are you around

Karien

do you want to play in other words

[deft stump]

I can get on. Need the bathroom first though.

[deft stump]

I'll let it boot while so.

[summer prairie]

this guy has crystalline will, maybe I shouldn't have picked him

[plucky flax]

I saw it now.

Real

Pro

Hmm he has psychic vampire on burga.

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't seem like the stimm lab is referred to as "the cartel special" anywhere in-game, despite being named in multiple penances

[summer prairie]

cara on purg too

[plucky flax]

No uncanny on sword.

[summer prairie]

but no worries he'll carry

[plucky flax]

Very interesting.

[ripe obsidian]

TBH I don't know if psychic vampire is ever worth picking. 25 enemies on average per stack is pretty bad.

Also

This is amusing

[potent echo]

What's a sedition 👶

[ripe obsidian]

Ancient history

[summer prairie]

do we want a new fourth

[plucky flax]

Sure

[summer prairie]

crash

I think I heard about this, something about starting a havoc immediately after closing the party finder maybe

or maybe after inspecting scum and then starting

[plucky flax]

Don't look at my scum

Keep my scums name out of your mouth

[ripe obsidian]

I was getting that crash constantly

I just turned off mods again

[deft stump]

Crash, mood handler or something.

[long saddle]

new mission has the two tier of auric penances as well so

gotta be uniform

[plucky flax]

Gonna get some stuff done gg

[summer prairie]

going for a run then

[plucky flax]

Need to wait for a package to be delivered to so don't wanna afk during a round

[deft stump]

Ah. Gonna look up the crash.

[wraith sphinx]

Have you gotten the dlc after all?

[ripe obsidian]

I did get scum. Everyone here convinced me

[wraith sphinx]

Are you liking it so far?

[ripe obsidian]

Eh

I am only level 10

So far it doesn't feel great. But I don't have access to any of the cool stuff yet

I do not like the crowbar weapon

[deft stump]

There's only the needler.

[ripe obsidian]

You're a needler. >:(

[wraith sphinx]

Needler is a very late unlock

It also doesn't play nice at all with the desperado ult

[deft stump]

It's a funni boss delete gun. But yeah, more chem build thing.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not sure what build I will use

Definitely not the crowbar, but otherwise

[wraith sphinx]

I can show you my build for ideas if you are interested

[ripe obsidian]

Sure

[wraith sphinx]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083c494-9be8-4929-9a19-64ac38ed2cc9/wip-stupid-chud-hybrid-ganger

Alt weapon considerations for when you level up to trade a bit of mobility for damage:

• combat blade uyld/cara & uncanny/fleshtearer
• brauto flak/maniac or uyld & speedload/deathspitter

[ripe obsidian]

Dual shivs do seem to be the best melee

I need to remember to use the throwing knife part

[wraith sphinx]

I save it for crushers

[candid temple]

is it similar to elf dd from vt2?

[summer prairie]

very

[ripe obsidian]

The whole class reminds me of Shade, sort of.

At least in playstyle

Maybe handmaiden is more accurate, actually

[candid temple]

, guess I have to pay fatshark again

[ripe obsidian]

Or whatever the class is called

The cartel special penances seem like they will take a while

[ripe obsidian]

The chem grenade seems like a better version of zealot's fire grenade

[wraith sphinx]

it's the strongest non regenerating grenade in the game right now and it's not even close

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, seems busted

[wraith sphinx]

actual pocket WMD

[ripe obsidian]

Ticking 3x a second seems... a lot

Like 7 ticks of damage before it starts falling off

[quartz barn]

I should prob check this, but you cant shoot through bulwark shield afaik

Been running the needler for a bit now and your shots just get blocked

But not at home atm

[ripe obsidian]

The shield is a special hit area that reduces damage and effects of projectiles to 0

[summer prairie]

you don't pierce the shield no

[quartz barn]

Ye but the specifics say it does bypass

[summer prairie]

the toxin

[ripe obsidian]

That's the toxin in general

[quartz barn]

Fs wording

[summer prairie]

it almost makes sense to run crit%, reload speed or even stamina related stuff on the needler since you tend to shoot a few times and then switch your weapon anyway

[quartz barn]

Ye i have crit plus reload

Because all dmg comes from toxin

So almost every perk is useless

[summer prairie]

though crit is a bit questionable because +1 stack isn't that amazing and with many builds you've infinite ammo anyway

oh it's +2 stacks

and crit weakspot is +4

[ripe obsidian]

With the Mk VI, it seems.

[summer prairie]

forgot there's two marks

[plucky flax]

Lol

What's the difference?

[ripe obsidian]

I have heard the Mk II is better, but I dunno

I think the Mk II makes enemies spread poison on death

Whereas the VI makes enemies blow up in a small radius

Also the VI applies more stacks on a crit

By 1

[quartz barn]

Mk2 spread toxin on alt fire kills

Uhh wait

[plucky flax]

I'll try mk2

I just been using the default one.

I JUST HATE GOOP I JUST HATE GOOP I JUST HATE GOOP I JUST HATE GOOP I JUST HATE GOOP

Let me melee dammit

[quartz barn]

Ye mk2 is better for hordes, mk6 for single target

However, mk2 is better for everything except monsters

Because specials die to a single shot anyway

[summer prairie]

I guess with infinite ammo you could spam into a cluster of elites and that could be good but otherwise mk6 seems better

[quartz barn]

Or its so close that its neglectable

Crushers die to 3 headshots

Not sure how both compare against monsters when it comes to toxin uptime tho

[summer prairie]

you can refresh the stacks with your melee if you have the node

though they decay so fast that unless you spam lights might as well just shoot another needle

with the alt fire you can technically bypass bulwark shields since it does AoE, even shooting at ground but that's hardly worth

[quartz barn]

My main issue atm is that i have the build, but no feedback

Cant tell how much damage i actually do in a mission due to lack of mods

I do know that you can do 1/3 of a dh's hp before it even wakes up lmao

[plucky flax]

Can't tell the difference but mk6 seem to kill faster.

[summer prairie]

cant you see the toxin stacks

[quartz barn]

The extra stacks on crit/weakpoint do add up

Main dealbreaker is if it matters when mk2 also kills in a single shot

[summer prairie]

then running crit also doesn't matter

[ripe obsidian]

Stim supply scum negates goop

[plucky flax]

Stim supply sucks I want rampage

[summer prairie]

6 stacks isn't enough for e.g. gunners

without other buffs at least

even flamers don't die to 6 without buffs/maniac

[ripe obsidian]

I like the idea of stim supply. Support builds are fun sometimes

[plucky flax]

These 2 were in my last game they are reslly bad

Quick loss

[summer prairie]

yikes

[quartz barn]

I use kariens variant where your stim has a really low cd, so your supply also has a low cd

Almost gives a 100% uptime on smaller buffs which is massive

Or you give free toughness, attack speed or strenght every 40 sec for 15 sec

[summer prairie]

Good we got those 2 yeah

[quartz barn]

Apparently if you dont use a cartel stim you also give the effect of regular stims you have but idk how that works

Like a one time aoe medi stim is broken

[plucky flax]

Guarantee weapon swap has an update to work with this patch.

But it breaks the stim's mechanic if use it whilst on cd.

[ripe obsidian]

"If Hive Scum has a regular stimm equipped (Celerity Stimm, Combat Stimm, Concentration Stimm, or Med Stimm), Stimm Supply consumes the stimm and the stimm field spreads the respective stimm buff effects to Hive Scum and allies who are in range; note that the stimm buff effects of Celerity Stimm, Combat Stimm, and Concentration Stimm are applied to all players in full and that the heal effect of Med Stimm is applied only once per activation."

[summer prairie]

it might have been the latest skitarius that was causing issues, but the guarantee weapon swap also has issues

there's this weird swap delay

[plucky flax]

If you don't press stim button before it's ready you're fine.

[quartz barn]

The delay is on everything now, unless that mod has extra² delay

[summer prairie]

when I'm throwing assails, it doesn't swap weapons unless I let go off lmb. That's not normal behavior is it?

[ripe obsidian]

I have been having significant issues with swapping even without mods.

[quartz barn]

Ye exactly

Feels ass on needler too, because you cant change modes as well

[plucky flax]

Do you have full auto mode enabled in skitarius?

[summer prairie]

normal ranged and melee lets me swap while holding lmb

for assail?

[ripe obsidian]

Adrenaline seems significantly stronger than the other two keystones

Rampage also seems quite strong, but the debuff maybe balances it? I do not know.

[summer prairie]

yes, it's the autoshooting that prevents weapon swapping but that's not how it previously functioned

[steel bone]

anyone else a soulblaze melee psyker? its how ive gotten into the class.

[candid temple]

Generally no.

But with shriek i guess it could be decent.

[steel bone]

i haven't taken her into any havoc yet, so i can't speak on the viability there. but she's kept me smooth sailing on auric maelstrom

[ripe obsidian]

You still have the issue of Blazing Spirit on melee barely affects any enemies

As most things just die to a crit

[marble crater]

There is no such thing

[ripe obsidian]

And most things that don't will die to the next couple melee attacks before Soulblaze gets more than 1-2 ticks

[steel bone]

there quite literally is

blaze force sword

[marble crater]

It's quite literally worse than useless

[steel bone]

must be you, ive been rocking it well

i come from ij zealot so its natural to me

definitely not as aggro, but i dont go that way

[ripe obsidian]

Blazing Spirit force sword will perform worse than most other options

[marble crater]

Either you mean something else or you are doing well despite soulblaze on melee

[steel bone]

Anyways I didn't ask if it was useless, just asked if any one else had done it

[ripe obsidian]

I doubt you will find anyone in this discord channel who will advocate for soulblaze melee

It's not in a good place right now

[marble crater]

Was it ever?

[steel bone]

Yeah I can get that

[ripe obsidian]

No

It needs to be reworked to give like 1-2 stacks on a non-crit and more on a crit. And raise the stack cap.

[marble crater]

All it has going for it is vibes and looks cool

[candid temple]

Hmm, soul blaze spreading on any melee kill would be cool.

Sadly we will get another gaze buff probably, if not judt nerfs.

[quartz barn]

I mean thats kinda there, but only on specials

[ripe obsidian]

I would be in favor of that, too. Spread like 2 stacks on melee kill, cap at 6 probably, small AoE.

Call it Soulburst or something

And maybe replace the useless coherency radius node with something like, "each enemy affected by Soulblaze in a 5m area around you increases melee damage by 3%, stacking 5 times". Not that Psyker needs more melee damage, but if you're building for Soulblaze melee...

[plucky flax]

Hive scum is not as cool or as strong as arby

[jovial juniper]

Soulblaze Melee?
Like just Perilous Combustion/Creeping Flames + melee
Or like
Blazing Spirit Bloodthirsty Illisi?
Because I've done that bloodthirsty combination
And it's shit

[steel bone]

not bloodthirsty

[jovial juniper]

Specially on a 2.25 finesse weapon like illisi

[steel bone]

idk i like zealot more for the smash-n-grab type play style. so i returned ti zealot for that lol

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe you aren't good enough

:(

[plucky flax]

Tru

[ripe obsidian]

(I like playing Arby more than Scum thus far)

[plucky flax]

Arby has way better horde clear

Comparable single target

Less boss damage i guess toxins stacks op

[ripe obsidian]

I think Scum has higher highs. If you can get rolling, you go a bit crazy. But Arby is safer and easier to hit their own highs, which are still quite good

Arby has better utility and team offerings

Good CC, good frontline ability

[steel bone]

i aint even gonna bullshit, i love arby, but arby does imo literally anything and everything you could ever want.

[plucky flax]

It doesnt do infinite cleave like psyker

[jovial juniper]

Nor mauler/crusher 1 shot like every other class

[ripe obsidian]

My DPS on armored enemies is lower on Arby than on Psyker or Vet. Not sure about Oggy or Zealot. I could also just be bad.

[summer prairie]

Shiv lmb spam seemed nice horde clear with hyper violence but maybe not

[ripe obsidian]

In Ainz's solo scum video, he did LMB spam for hordes

[summer prairie]

I think hive scum is way more fun to play than arbi and most classes, but unforgiving and no unique team utility

Without supplies

[plucky flax]

Psyker most fun

Op class

Please buff

[ripe obsidian]

I like Psyker the most, even if I am too bad to play anything besides Inferno or sometimes Trauma in H40

[weary idol]

I have come to give you corruption immunity

[ripe obsidian]

Arby is genuinely fun for me because I like being a tank and a support, so bullying armored crowds with BtL and protecting the squishies is enjoyable

[plucky flax]

Play bubble knight or just gaze

[ripe obsidian]

I am too bad.

[plucky flax]

Git gudder

[ripe obsidian]

Vet is fun, but I struggle to stay alive. Zealot is not very fun for me anymore. Ogryn's movement is unpleasant

[plucky flax]

Aggressive gaze can easily outdamage burga now cos no purple and rot this season

[ripe obsidian]

I tried. I am too old and too slow

[jovial juniper]

Top ways to Fight Nurgles corruption
1 - Faith
2 - Gas Mask
3 - Warp Powers
4 - Drugs

[ripe obsidian]

Drugs are stronger than faith

[jovial juniper]

"Unproven" 👺

Also
5 - Near Death

[ripe obsidian]

Drugs grant total immunity

Faith is too slow to stop goop

[jovial juniper]

Martyr genuinely shrugging off Nurgles corruption because they are dying (it just works)

[ripe obsidian]

Take drugs then stand in goop and have faith and stand in goop, see which works better

I was more thinking the aura

[lone ravine]

I have faith the drugs will protect me

[jovial juniper]

I mean
The Aura is always active

[ripe obsidian]

Martyrdom zealots lose 5 wounds to corruption then just die because they accidentally popped until death

[ripe obsidian]

If you build for it, so is the stim box

[weary idol]

I am having it alweays active with a 50 second cooldown stimm xd

sample collector and hyper aggression with 82% crit chance melee lmao

[jovial juniper]

"How to OD on supply " build

[weary idol]

had a second gamer running crit stimm box so I had 100% melee crit chance for the first time I have ever seen in this game

on a rollin steel mission so i didn't get to appreciate it sadly

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-soldier-boy-the-boys-inhaling-grenade-gif-10834442128097433243

I fucking love goo drinker gas huffing build 🗣️

[ripe obsidian]

Hyper aggression?

[weary idol]

playing the game like a lunatic

not a talent

[ripe obsidian]

Ahhhh

[jovial juniper]

Oh so just how Hiver is intended to be played

[weary idol]

yes

also using blinders to get a ton of tox kills xd

[ripe obsidian]

Scum has multiple talents that start with Hyper, so I was confused

[jovial juniper]

Hyper violence
Hyper critical (welcome back Grail Knight)

[ripe obsidian]

Blinders plus pocket sand toxin?

[weary idol]

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Do not use hyper critical

[jovial juniper]

Too late
I have plans for critical Hsword (it already kills everything [hyperbole] without criticals)

[ripe obsidian]

If hyper critical kills an enemy, precision violence stops working

"There is currently a bug: Once an enemy has been killed by an instakill caused by Hyper-Critical or the Haymaker weapon blessing, the talent cannot be procced anymore"

[jovial juniper]

I mean

[ripe obsidian]

I learned the hard way

[jovial juniper]

Haymaker doesn't proc on-kills stuff

That's been a thing for a while

[ripe obsidian]

No, I mean

It stops working

Entirely

Rest of the match

[jovial juniper]

It hard locks

💀

Crazy work Fatshark

[ripe obsidian]

As I said, I learned the hard way

[jovial juniper]

I really wish Haymaker would proc on-kill stuff

[ripe obsidian]

It would be nice

[jovial juniper]

Although it probably wouldn't have Overkill damage

[ripe obsidian]

No, it wouldn't. Would be instakill override

Like oggy rock

[magic burrow]

Psyker shoots out balls of ultraviolent light

[jovial juniper]

Heh uv light heh

[cosmic cobalt]

that gonna be extremely funny once it get fixed

[hot epoch]

Im gonna put on my DOUBLE SEEING GLASSES

For the amount of BULLSHIT im seeing here

[weary crane]

Me when a hound ignores stagger then rubber bands me onto it's position:

[astral finch]

Is Just a Dream meant more for a meleeker or a caster?

[weary crane]

It's meant for low peril gen builds

[heavy dagger]

what are the best blessings and perks for deimos force sword if i’m running shriek inferno

[dull scroll]

uncanny and deflector, manic and cara

[heavy dagger]

thanks

[royal totem]

god damn

most hive scum suck at this game

[cinder crown]

hi wat stats si good for electro staff

quell or resistans 60%?

[plucky flax]

Resistance

[wispy bay]

Hyper critical, only 2 people get that.

Unironically, Hsword is so good with ganger

[jovial juniper]

*Hsword is so good

[tulip kettle]

if you are doing a primary fire build you can also dump charge rate

@ripe obsidian i have been experimenting with this

with rending flurry trauma and obscuras/knife/duelling

i found obscuras is generally safer due to deflector

and i tried with and without PoTS but it often makes it require one less blast to kill crushers and improves assail performance against gunners/shotgunners so i settled on keeping it

[iron flame]

Hmm i want to try learning how to use inferno staff. What melee should i use to stay safe ?

[tulip kettle]

this was also before the recent change to fixing KF non-procs at 100% peril

[tulip kettle]

deimos force sword is the perfect pairing for inferno

[iron flame]

I am used to being melee psyker with FGS but i imagine FGS without melee talents would be meh

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-spongebob-observe-watch-me-gif-26839256

[cinder crown]

thank u

[tulip kettle]

we use the deimos with uncanny to keep ourselves safe by using the push attack to stack uncanny and stagger stuff

[cinder crown]

is there a reason to go primary fire only on electro staf?

[tulip kettle]

yes, its a pretty popular build referred to as "surge surge"

[quiet inlet]

someday I will start a ticker of how many times per week this video gets posted

[ripe obsidian]

Shall I add it to the bonanza?

[tulip kettle]

if you like

im not sure if BB KF would be better, but i do find assail is very useful for horde clear

[cinder crown]

but are both playstyle viable then?

[tulip kettle]

cant hate on 30 crushers in 30 seconds

[mighty cipher]

Everything is viable if you’re goated enough

[tulip kettle]

yes, just different

surge surge usually looks something like this, with minor variations

you would have an EK with charge rate dump and an FGS

[ripe obsidian]

I have surge surge in the guide as well, I believe.

[quiet inlet]

No hate at all, it's like the perfect explanation for what it is replying to

[tulip kettle]

awesome, but indeed, check six's guide in the pins for variations on EK.

good surge surge players will regularly out damage inferno psykers in H40

its a very good build for running alongside a second psyker who is focussing on soulblaze

[cinder crown]

gotcha

[iron flame]

Man i feel like a 🤡. It feels like the only damage i take are all from me exploding

not used to using inferno and bubble

kept exploding myeslf lol

[cinder crown]

havnt rly done havocs yet

[tulip kettle]

inferno and bubble really does want empyric resolve to help mitigate self explosion

but its not 100% required if you master "1 ticking"

[ripe obsidian]

I added that clarification to the surge surge description

[iron flame]

I basically follow the build book and it does have empyric resolve

[gray juniper]

Yea shriek plus fire staff is safest for you, fire staff plus bubble is safest for group. It’s a self sacrificing strategy for havoc

[tulip kettle]

see the clip i just posted on how to one tick

[iron flame]

I don't get it, i exploded myself when i charge to 100 and let it go

[ripe obsidian]

I accidentally forgot ER in my bubble build yesterday when scurrying to remake it in the 60 seconds before a mission started. Blew myself up twice in an H40. Then we lost to a triple ritual spawn.

[tulip kettle]

you release the charge immediately before you reach 100%

then you will hit 100 peril and not explode

[gray juniper]

I’m so triggered seeing stuff like that. Idk if it’s latency or the game hating me but I’ve had long time problems of the game not taking the feedback in clutch moments of quelling

[tulip kettle]

then you quell for one tick and repeat

[iron flame]

Ohh so if i reach to 100 and let it go, i will explode

[ripe obsidian]

Korrekt.

[iron flame]

Sounds good. Guess i should just rely less on inferno when a bit high level and pressured for now

[ripe obsidian]

If you start any peril-generating action at 100% peril, you die. Charging a staff and releasing a staff count as two different actions

[gray juniper]

It’s a inferno only trick if o remember correctly

[tulip kettle]

nope

works very well on voidblast too

[gray juniper]

For real?

[tulip kettle]

yup

[gray juniper]

Hmm I’d have to do some real practice

That one definitely gets me

Maybe I’m holding onto the trigger too long post-explosion is why

[tulip kettle]

is possible. generally i will release RMB at the same moment i press LMB

[gray juniper]

Ah ok

[tulip kettle]

then tap quell and repeat the loop

sometimes, i will simply not cast due to this - basically charging the attack and then just quelling instead of actually releasing the cast

but its safer than exploding

[gray juniper]

Yea that sounds prudent

[ripe obsidian]

Or you can get Crystalline Will and get two explosions! One from trauma staff and one from your own mental trauma

[strong gulch]

Hi

[royal totem]

Hi

[ripe obsidian]

Hi

[ivory monolith]

im getting disconnected from havok and punished for it in every game

[ripe obsidian]

Have you mods?

[ivory monolith]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Turn them off.

The issue will be resolved.

Many mods are broken right now.

[ivory monolith]

its still crashing even without mods

so i will wait next patch

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. I do not know, then. My crashes went away when I disabled them all.

[tulip kettle]

what does the error log say?

[ivory monolith]

cuz all af 4 players disconnecting in same time

[tulip kettle]

do you get a server code?

[ivory monolith]

i dont think my mods causing this

[tulip kettle]

have you tried in the last 24 hours?

[ripe obsidian]

When is the last time this happened?

[tulip kettle]

this was a crash caused by wildfire on rituals

but has been fixed as of latest hotfix

[ivory monolith]

idk i dont understand numbers in errors

[tulip kettle]

you dont need to understand them

[ivory monolith]

yesterday and today

[tulip kettle]

does it say "server error 2004 / 2005 / 2014 / 3001" in a red pop up

do you get a black crash log and crash to desktop

do you get a white pop up saying "out of memory"

[ivory monolith]

it was server 2014 then i crashed with mods

and my whole team wiped us well

so i will go project zomboid untill next patch i think

[iron flame]

yay ... only 4 self explosion lol. I think i should just start with shriek for now

🤣

[tulip kettle]

ok? server 2014 is generally a client - server network auth error

try playing on a different server

[ivory monolith]

naah im deranked too much for 2 days because of crashes

its pissing me off

[tulip kettle]

.... ok?

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I got H40 again Dom.

Yesterday

[kindred fog]

Any recommended perks to reduce peril generation for a Smite-Empowered Psionics build?

[tulip kettle]

fuckin congrats dude

[ivory monolith]

warp siphon?

[jovial juniper]

No
But would you like to generate more peril?

Scriers Smite

[tulip kettle]

i played a few games alone with randoms and won them all, but currently enjoying hammer bonks too much in the event to grind to 40

[tulip kettle]

simply dont play smite, problem solved.

but if you absolutely must, simply use scriers gaze with warp unbound.

[ripe obsidian]

Thanks. Did a quick run from 37 to 40 as Shriek Inferno. 30 to 37 was Doggo Arby.

Had 2x tauntgryns and a krak + bistol vet

I felt very safe.

[cinder crown]

What perks and blessings on electro staff? 🙂

[ripe obsidian]

Look at the pinned build guide. I should have perks and blessings in there

As well as several links to gameslantern guides

[iron flame]

How much difference are the damage if i just stay on the lower side of the peril when using inferno since i am likely to blow myself up when feeling pressured

[cinder crown]

oki

[kindred fog]

Smite is my favorite Psyker ability :(

[jovial juniper]

Yeah so

Scriers Smite with Warp unbound

You can cast it for longer

While also maximizing Warp Rider

[ripe obsidian]

I can't give you a specific number, but stuff like Warp Nexus and Warp Rider are reliant on high peril to function. So you're losing... I dunno, 20% damage output at maximum. It's a significant amount, but there's no issue with playing safe if you aren't comfortable with the level of peril generation

[strong gulch]

You also lose out on One with the Warp. JaD makes casting difficult to predict.

[ripe obsidian]

JaD is a trap talent imo

The negatives outweigh the benefits when using a staff

[ripe obsidian]

I have smite builds in the pinned build guide

[ivory monolith]

btw then they change trauma staff. cuz im noticing im no more blowing ub barrels in 3m radius away from charged attack

[ripe obsidian]

And also templates for other builds that talk about peril generation

[ripe obsidian]

@summer prairie did you see any changes in the code about that?

[strong gulch]

Why is scum escaping??

[hearty wolf]

Cool, thanks guys

[ivory monolith]

i didnt saw any notice about traume staff in patch notes

[strong gulch]

I saw a friend using VB and it seemed like it was different. I haven't tried VB since scum tho.

[ripe obsidian]

You are a snail.

[ivory monolith]

yes im noticing its different too

but again no mention about it

[strong gulch]

When VB changed before, there was no mention of it.

[zinc phoenix]

i still boom barrels pretty hard with trauma

its still my number one staff pick so whenever i feel like taking a break on the hands i do that

gameplay is complex, implementation is low apm

[summer prairie]

Too much refactoring in the patch to read through much of it, almost every file has changes

[ripe obsidian]

I see nothing in the trauma stick files I know of that references a change to barrel interactions

[iron flame]

Holy moly auric atonement is just flood of hordes

[ripe obsidian]

Going by commits/blame

[strong gulch]

I doubt it's barrel specific. Last time the change made barrels easier to explode but also to knock over enemies.

[strong gulch]

It'd be 14 is that dump were WR

[royal totem]

I think hive scum weps too complicated for me 😭

[ripe obsidian]

I hate the crowbar

Feels so bad to use

Shivs feel nice

[modest perch]

yea it sucks

having to flip it just to apply a paltry amount of brittleness is weak

[ripe obsidian]

And it swings so slowly

[deft stump]

Feels like a better foldable shovel but worse.

[strong gulch]

I don't like that I have to basically stop what I'm doing to flip the crowbar around.

I am sure there's tech for it

[zinc phoenix]

play brittle trauma and carry the scum thru

also hot take but tanners trauma build is pretty solid

i am left click pilled

only change i made was moving the mind in motion to empathic evasion because you can just tap quell, you dont need to stand around jerkin ur staff enough for that to be an issue

[ripe obsidian]

I have had one good scum in H40s so far.

And they played stim supply on the goop modifier, which was nice

[zinc phoenix]

i think itll be a few months before a combination of filtering, meta evolution and post launch patching create a solid h40 scum experience

it definitely raised my opinion of brittle tho

b/c scum without brittle application is straight up fucked

[ripe obsidian]

From my limited experience, it seems like melee scum has the highest highs and stim/toxin scum is the most consistent

[ripe obsidian]

Elaborate?

[zinc phoenix]

its like meleeker, you have the ability to handle a small number of carapace enemies but a large number will beat you

[royal totem]

Maybe i can skitarius saw eventually to work for me

[zinc phoenix]

brittleness allows your soft target tools to delete the carapace relatively efficiently

toxin is another solution

tox + brittle works very well, i been doing that to delete bosses

i think bone saw is gonna be very important for scum in havoc

b/c you can mode switch to brittle

bone saw + needle is 🔥 for clearing up tough stuff and can still work well even if you go med box

ok im gonna give med box another go lol

[ripe obsidian]

I do not have the saw yet. Waiting til 30 to build weapons

Shivs feel decent enough

I wish I could have a saw + shiv, like sword + dagger in VT2

[zinc phoenix]

agree, idk why they dont mix and match anymore

im pretty sure building into sample collector is a bad idea but i could be wrong

i think with fire psyker around it wont do much but ig i will see

[royal totem]

sample collector?

[zinc phoenix]

stim cdr on kill

[royal totem]

oh

i use it

[zinc phoenix]

general idea https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085bdbf-209f-4325-ad9b-fb23b79e7020/chem-support-concept

[cosmic cobalt]

shiv just feel like worse version of knife tbh

[strong gulch]

building now and mentally exhausting myself

[zinc phoenix]

i will probably drop something for more cleave on the bonesaw because bonesaw cleave is a huge deal

[cosmic cobalt]

just use shock & awe

[zinc phoenix]

shock and awe isnt enough

cole runs 2x cleave traits + shock and awe

and it makes a big difference

i probably need to bite the bullet and drop swift endurance for more cleave

[cosmic cobalt]

i thought you're talking about just blessing lol

[peak pendant]

hey guys, anyone got a good list of classbuilds they could hook me up with? Havent played since february so I have to get used to the new reworks theyve done but all my loadouts are reset and those builds arent what they used to be. if anyone can help so I can hit the ground running again it would be great

[ripe obsidian]

Shiv feels better than knife to me, but knife never felt good to me

[cosmic cobalt]

knife gameplay loop is uh

[ripe obsidian]

A list of builds, you say?

[cosmic cobalt]

weird compare to conventional melee

also for some reason shiv don't have movement speed on their heavies like knife

I genuinely think shiv need buff and change so it isn't a straight up worse knife in every way

[zinc phoenix]

shiv is great tho

[peak pendant]

yes i say lol i just want to see what ppl run with, i had my builds from like gameslantern and others pinned on my browser but things changed up now since i last played

[ripe obsidian]

That is not true.

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/622281b0c035959d2a1e3e9108712515672d26f9/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/dual_shivs/dual_shivs_p1_m1.lua#L213

[ripe obsidian]

Look in the pins. I am being sarcastic.

I have compiled 50+ psyker builds

[cosmic cobalt]

it feel much slower though

[ripe obsidian]

It appears to be identical

1.3

1.3 on H1, then 1.15 on H2, so a little slower on H2

[peak pendant]

I was more looking for some input on them too and what theyre like. a lot of builds some ppl post up have no explanation so it sucks returning and not knowing the strengths and weaknesses

[ripe obsidian]

Did you look at the document?

I have all of that.

[mighty cipher]

”[XXXX]”

”That’s not true.”

”Source?”

”[Posts the game’s source code]”

Absolute Cinema.

[ripe obsidian]

I strive always to be accurate in my statements

[mighty cipher]

I think displaying the source code of a game is as accurate as it gets.

[royal totem]

imagine somebody arguing against source code 😏

[jovial juniper]

There's a good amount of stuff in the code

That isn't available for us

I want them

[mighty cipher]

Go to Sweden and get the REAL source code

[zinc phoenix]

yooooooo

drug box pog

[jovial juniper]

Ogryn heavy Stubber has like a shit ton of blessings in the code

Even Infernus

not available to us

[mighty cipher]

That’s hilarious

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a085bdbf-209f-4325-ad9b-fb23b79e7020/chem-support-concept only real change is taking another cleave trait over attack speed. you basically want to churn up anything you can with mega cleave bone saw for constant cdr on the stim to pop the drug box

if a tough looking fight shows up you drop it and turn your team of no hopers into supermen

it completely negates the purple portion of attacks + gas more generally so it lets you just fight wherever and take less damage so thats nice too

[zealous wing]

corruption immunity ftw

works on blight too

can stand in the goop and be perfectly fine so long as you have that stim

[zinc phoenix]

i went with fervor b/c dodge and move boosts for the stim but idk i may go stun and slowdown immnue

[zealous wing]

just had a thought, what happens if youre stimmed from the box and get eaten by a burgle, do you not take damage for that short bit?

[mighty cipher]

Probably

[zealous wing]

dogs too probably

[mighty cipher]

Or the net failsafe

[ripe obsidian]

"• Grants corruption damage immunity to all players in range; if an enemy attack has a corruption ratio specified (e.g. Poxwalker), the corruption damage portion of the attack is negated and only the regular health damage portion is taken
• Removes 0.5 corruption damage every 0.25s for all players in range; heals corruption damage up to the next health segment"

if my mods are working now, I can maybe test. My scum might be too low level tho

[zealous wing]

i could test tbh just not doing well so am slow

[peak sundial]

hmm, free weekend...

i think i will drop into malice as bubble psyker :)

[zealous wing]

not a bad idea

spread propoganda

i should do that since im playing like ass

[zealous wing]

bring the drip too

[peak sundial]

'psyker is bad, you guys shouldnt play him'

[ripe obsidian]

Tested.

[summer prairie]

too slow

[zealous wing]

perfect

glorious

thats plenty of time to smack it in the back with a heavy attack

[ripe obsidian]

D:

Syllogism defeats me once again

[jovial juniper]

Make sure to also say "glass cannon"

[zealous wing]

well you both beat me im still on the start screen

[jovial juniper]

[fringe sapphire]

my talents

and I can't remember them

[peak sundial]

...wait theres people over level 30 here on malice twins

[ripe obsidian]

All the youtubers say psyker is the worst class.

[peak sundial]

are they like, here on accident

[mighty cipher]

Matchmaking is level based

[ripe obsidian]

People just parrot that

[jovial juniper]

The worst part of this

[peak sundial]

ah

[white sky]

Some of the youtubers are calling for scum buffs tbf, idk if I'd believe em

[jovial juniper]

Is that bon won't spit you out

[zealous wing]

not really, ive been dropped in with lvl 15s before

[weary crane]

There was some salty dude the other day ranting about nerfing psyker, ppl just need to stfu atp

[zealous wing]

im true level 600

[mighty cipher]

That’s just… objectively not true though? In high havocs especially it’s barely even worth competing against a competent psyker in raw damage numbers.

[ripe obsidian]

Class has been out for like 3 days

[zealous wing]

apparently scum can outdamage inferno psyker

desperado uzi

[iron flame]

Hmm maybe it is just confirmation bias but it feels like whenever i play bubble psyker. I rarely see my team mate use it. Like i drop it whenever i see a bunch of ranged elites, but by then my team had already suppressed them.

[white sky]

Desperado macs, yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz says Scum is the best class besides Psyker, and he is my source of truth

[zealous wing]

the funny part tho is hank outright said they were testing a pro scummer vs average psykers, so

[mighty cipher]

I think it hard caps at 30. But if I ever go into heresy with my buddy, we NEVER get teammates.

[iron flame]

But whenever i don't use bubble, my team get nailed and suppressed

[white sky]

I think its funny all it took to outdamage fire psyker was another class that does not have to worry about resources

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like people are upset Scum isn't blatantly OP like Arby was, so they're raging

[patent jacinth]

Vet also can

[ripe obsidian]

Scum requires some amount of skill and practice to be OP

[white sky]

Scum is so op, it's just being gatekept by peoples ability to dodge

Which is good

Thats better than arb op

Which was gatekept by your wallet

[zealous wing]

ill pop into a malice soon and see what happens

[mighty cipher]

Scum is incredible in terms of damage output. You just need good survival fundamentals

[iron flame]

Yea. Scum is strong. It is just their noob protection talents are all in bottom tree

[weary crane]

If anyone wants to try rampage scum

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07b4047-e2e7-46cf-b3d8-c1e3f9f90304/hive-rager

[mighty cipher]

Now if we going into heresy on similarly under level characters we do get teammates.

[mighty cipher]

Well fuck me I guess

[strong gulch]

Iirc, the game tries to pair you with other players with a close-ish level. So lower level with lower level assuming lobbies with over 30 are available.

Also, I'm in gloriana rn and VB is diffrent

VB on barrel post mortis trial release.

VB on barrel now.

When mortis trials released, that when VB began igniting barrels when their radii overlapped and VB RMB was cast. Enemies also became easier to stagger or get with the epicenter. It appears that the enemies are still easier to get while barrels are less easy to trigger.

[ionic gale]

why do i feel so slow with psyker

[zealous wing]

this is terrible

voidblast with no blast
thunder hammer with no thunder
they ruined the game 😔

[zinc phoenix]

Playing scum as a bag of tricks character is a lot of fun

[zealous wing]

what weapons are you using?

[zinc phoenix]

Chem nades, needler and bone saw with drug bag 👌

[strong gulch]

Huh. Interesting. When mortis trials released, that when VB began igniting barrels when their radii overlapped and VB RMB was cast.

Enemies also became easier to stagger or get with the epicenter.

It appears that the enemies are still easier to get while barrels are less easy to trigger.

[ionic gale]

deimos 4

[zealous wing]

its not a high mobility weapon

[strong gulch]

I've been nerfed. Barrel farming is for pros only.

[zinc phoenix]

You can aoe needle gunner groups, you can single target needle reapers and bosses, you have wave clear, you have team boost to nth degree and you also have solid melee combat power + the ability to brittle all the crushers for other people to annihilate

[ionic gale]

but it feels really slow

[zinc phoenix]

It’s super fun

[ionic gale]

like i feel like walking while others sprinting lol

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

If you want fast, ds or knife

[zealous wing]

or, gun

[zinc phoenix]

Deimos is faster and more mobile than fgs

It’s the little dog big dog pairing

[zealous wing]

but FGS has horde clear ability

[zinc phoenix]

Yes, different weapon for different purpose

[plucky flax]

It has big dodge though so you can move fast forward by side way dodge

[zinc phoenix]

I like oscurus more than Deimos as a mobile sidearm. Swang it to go faster can work too

[ionic gale]

yes the funny thing i can jump more way than i walk lol

but idk after playing scum it felt too slow

[zealous wing]

lmao

scum is a crackhead

thats why

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian Just tried VB on barrels. It's different again. #psyker-class message

[zinc phoenix]

So take knife?

Knife is the high mobility psyker melee option