psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

they what

[verbal thistle]

landing a crit makes you immune to all damage

with left keystone

[radiant frigate]

HUH

[ripe obsidian]

I need to get the Cataclysm dlc then

[radiant frigate]

on a class with machine pistols?

[verbal thistle]

yes

[radiant frigate]

bold design

[verbal thistle]

with crit blessings

also

infinite ammo

if you kill with less then 20% ammo you get ammo back

infinite loop

[barren field]

I mean hivescum is so fundementally broken in all 3 different paths

[ripe obsidian]

And reloading while in the left active ability doesn't cost ammo

[radiant frigate]

rogue class
look inside
full damage immunity

OK

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

How else will they sell it?

[radiant frigate]

like i get it if it's about avoiding damage but that sounds so fucking silly

[teal needle]

I do wonder how the class will play in good hands. Watched a few different streamers for the drop and they were all getting rekt playing it though haha

[crisp ether]

Because it's not a traditionally survivable class at all

It has like, no damage reduction whatsoever

[teal needle]

Psyker was pretty squishy for a long time, although we're ridiculously tanky now I wonder if that will carry over

[crisp ether]

given how they seem to be trying to design this class, i doubt they're gonna change much about that

and I kinda hope they don't really

because offensively, it sounds busted

[teal needle]

I kinda miss when psykers were rare and we ate shit the second we stopped paying attention

[loud girder]

class sounds insanely busted on paper but everyone i've watched was eating shit

and these guys are better than me soooo

[crisp ether]

It's the "don't get hit" class

[loud girder]

i dont think psykers were ever rare tbh

[radiant frigate]

#sibling-class is no stranger to this

[loud girder]

very popular class

[radiant frigate]

melee psykers were

[loud girder]

that's ture

true

[teal needle]

There are way more psykers in lobbies than there used to be. Very normal to run into 1-2 other psykers in maelstrom or havoc. And to expect to win the mission when I see it

That 100% was not the case before the talent tree rework

[crisp ether]

I'm gonna be real. I'm kind of sick of it.

Like I see psykers more than anything.

At least in base game.

And they're usually running the gigastrong stuff like inferno or EP smite too which makes it even worse

[radiant frigate]

used to be a rarity to see other psykers

then you had games with 3 psykers (certain death) or 4 psykers (easy sweep)

[teal needle]

I used to leave 3-4 psyker lobbies before the rework, I was too much of a coward.

These days it means the mission is going to be a cake walk

[crisp ether]

Or I'm going to get blown off the map by a barrel that an inferno psyker triggered.

:)

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian friend and i are farming legend for reds

if you want to join

[wind spruce]

Inferno isn't gigastrong in maelstrom and in havoc I am always glad to see one

[crisp ether]

It's still pretty damn strong, especially now with all of the spawn changes since the rework.

Since the game's only gotten denser, and inferno thrives off of higher density.

[wind spruce]

It's not that it's weak, it's just slow. The inferno psyker isn't going to be getting many kills if im running right side in mael

[ripe obsidian]

I'm about to go to dinner, but thank you

[verbal thistle]

nevermind anyways, we got bored of legend even with deeds

but yeah we'll be playing often

[wind spruce]

Eschew real life, embrace gaming

[royal totem]

nooooooooooooo

now i have to try to climb havoc again

it's ok i have a strat for it though

it's gonna be bumming off good players

[ripe obsidian]

Need food to continue gaming

[radiant frigate]

but gaming doesn't make food
life is cruel

[ripe obsidian]

I am not good or entertaining enough to get paid to game

[radiant frigate]

it is unfortunate

[royal totem]

i think entertaining is the actual requirement

[torpid void]

What surge build should I try?

[royal totem]

surge surge :3

[torpid void]

Someone told me that there is a surge build that has near infinite surge as long as there are elites around

[royal totem]

surge as in scrier's gaze i assume

[torpid void]

maybe?

[royal totem]

.............i'm assuming that's what you mean. if you look up surge surge in the builds guide it has pretty near infinite

[inland magnet]

Anyone notice that the electro staff still arcs to the ground most shots?

Like it might be hitting enemies, but visually it's arcing directly into the floor in front of you

[royal totem]

my diamantium got nearly doubled from the havoc cache

54k diamantium i'm rich!

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rich-make-it-rain-cash-bill-gif-16661133

hope I have enough melk bucks to roll for them curios in 2 more days

possibly going bankrupt

[royal totem]

how many do you have

idk if i have enough

[dull scroll]

I have lots, but with melk you just never know

never know

[royal totem]

i have 70k but idk if it'll be enough

frankly i'll settle for 16% though

i'm not picky

[quiet inlet]

is the game trying to tell me to have a zen mindset?

[lone ravine]

you have the same state of mind as an ogryn to put it bluntly

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-froggy-blinking-head-empty-gif-12984767165882805414

[ripe obsidian]

I am not very entertaining

[strong gulch]

Your plans are entertaining at least.

[royal totem]

don't worry. i have the personal ity of a wet paper towel

i'm playing heresy over here

so i'm not good either

[half pebble]

do sienna's ma,gic wands have analogues in psykers

[lone ravine]

flame storm = purgatus, bolt = void strike, conflag = void blast

brain burst(blitz) = soulsteeler staff

[ripe obsidian]

I need to make more plans

[fringe harbor]

Would crit or rending stim on scum be better for inferno

[lone ravine]

I think psyker has enough crit tbh

[sturdy reef]

strength stimm for psyker

[fast summit]

what blitz ability is best if I wanna be DPS oriented?

[verbal thistle]

all of them

[spice oar]

Yeah

[fast summit]

so just choose what I like most?

lightning hands it is

[verbal thistle]

whatever fits your build best

smite can only do damage if you put everything into it

[spice oar]

We cast SPELLS our here dawg we cast SPELLS we are shooting BOLTS of LIGHTNING dawg we hurling CRYSTALS dawg you don’t know it

[verbal thistle]

so its often the least damage blitz

brain burst with middle keyston and flayer are instant special and elite 1 tapps

[spice oar]

Unless you pick EP then it kills

[verbal thistle]

assail is rager and horde clear mower

[spice oar]

If you wanna do dmg, Brian burst, blitz, smite only with EP

And in general if you really like your blitzes and want to cast more spells, pick EP

[lone ravine]

What did Brian do to deserve getting bursted

[spice oar]

The spell is finding whichever guy in the horde is called Brian and making him explode

[hybrid basin]

Dumb question. Trying to do the psyker penance where the animation starts and you need to quell at 100% 50 times. What build should I use and how do I get the credit for the penance?

[lone ravine]

venting shriek, once you put your hands up and start screaming activate your ability

just do that a bunch and you’ll get it

[hybrid basin]

So the hands have to be up.

[lone ravine]

you have to be mid explosion animation yea

[hybrid basin]

Gotcha. Ok. I thought the animation just had to start.

Thanks.

Any suggestions on the private game psyker brain burst? Is it doable with bots.

[lone ravine]

you’ll wanna have the bots die off before hand

[hybrid basin]

Do you have to do all the damage basically?

[lone ravine]

you can have a teammate take the agro or just burst it from a distance when it first spawns in

Kinetic flayer BB subnode + double shield wall make your BB really fast

So you can chunk it pretty easily

[royal totem]

no. because you need 2 people min for private game

[hybrid basin]

Can you make teams in here cross platform? New to server.

[royal totem]

yeah i believe so

[lone ravine]

If you give someone your friend code yes

[royal totem]

i can help you~~~

[hybrid basin]

These are my last two psyker penances.

[royal totem]

lemme hop on to help you

[hybrid basin]

I can’t play now 🙁

[royal totem]

oh nooooo

[hybrid basin]

Have to work in the AM.

And my wife is already out.

lol

[royal totem]

it's only 731 pm 😛

[hybrid basin]

lol east coast here.

So how do I give a friend code?

[royal totem]

yeah i figured. nobody here is west coast

you'd have to boot game to find it

[lone ravine]

in the social menu it’s one of the bottom right buttons

[royal totem]

on PC it's in the menu>social>press E to find pl ayer

i'm gonna guess on console it's similar

[hybrid basin]

Xbox here.

[royal totem]

it's somewhere in menu and social

and press a button to find player

[hybrid basin]

Give me a second. Let me see if I can slip down to my office.

[royal totem]

this is why i don't sleep in the same bed as my wife

we'd screw over each other's sleep schedules

[hybrid basin]

lol. My wife works 7. 12’s in a row. So every other week I’m gaming like a madman.

I’m on the social page for Xbox

[royal totem]

do you see a "find player"

sorta button

[hybrid basin]

1971593198

That’s my code obviously

[royal totem]

ok gimme one sec

i'm exiting a mission atm

[hybrid basin]

No hurry.

Which build do you recommend? I’ve been running cinder.

[royal totem]

EP BB probably works best for this

[hybrid basin]

EP?

[royal totem]

this IS just cheesy cuz you can't even get it normally and have to private game in the first place

Empowered psionics

middle keystone

[hybrid basin]

Gotcha.

[royal totem]

ready to start?

i'll.......wait till you tell me you're ready lol

[steady pecan]

just asking, but are bursters suppose to be able to kill (not down) psykers despite corruption not filling up an entire health bar?

[verbal thistle]

it was either the corruption that it delt just passed the wound line or something else hit you as well

[ripe obsidian]

Understandable.

[verbal thistle]

they can deal 35-50% corruption damage

[ripe obsidian]

Separate beds are underrated

[verbal thistle]

@steady pecan

The corruption damage it delt pushed you over the wound limit

[steady pecan]

yeah it was likely due to the low health of the psyker and the bomber just dealing a shit ton of damage

[verbal thistle]

yes

[daring comet]

Im only level 15 but Greatsword + Kinetic Flayer feels so good

[royal totem]

lmao. it does don't it

[daring comet]

before this I felt all Glass No Cannon lol

[royal totem]

at low level it can be like that yeah

but i'd argue lots of classes are like that at low level

[potent echo]

Less cannon and more glass flamethrower

I might give bubble voidblast GS another go

[vague crater]

what does flame staff do? whenever i use it i feel like it does no dmg

[nocturne wasp]

U playin

[vague crater]

is it just for stagger? does it even stagger?

[potent echo]

Lmb staggers

It has infinite cleave so it scales in usefulness with difficulty

[vague crater]

hmmm so even if it tickles its ok because it tickles everyone?

[potent echo]

You can to build burn stacks on things

Smother and not sprinkle

Ideally utilise hallways and not be in the open where it struggles

[vague crater]

hmm i see, ty

[potent echo]

Also you should throw fire in a direction that your team isn't already clearing

Not much point charring corpses

Unless they are struggling with a really thick mixed horde

[royal totem]

honestly if you're playing low difficulty it DOES feel it does nothing

[vague crater]

im still only up to damnation on psyker so i guess its why too

only recently came back to the game and leveled my psyker after only playing vet

[potent echo]

It's everywhere in havocs

[vague crater]

enjoying bubble psyker with greatsword a lot

[potent echo]

Also makes auric a cakewalk

[compact cargo]

Don't forget to wiggle your mouse like a madman if you don't have a chokepoint

[royal totem]

damnation it's ......kinda still eh

like it starts getting ok

but auric is when it starts getting actually good

[potent echo]

When you have like 10 ragers flooding out of a door inferno gets really good

[royal totem]

though........there's a question of what is your build and how are you using it

[daring comet]

I need toughness curio's!!!

[compact cargo]

Yes

But I remember the greatness of conflagration staff in vt2 and wish trauma staff to be the same

[potent echo]

I need coruscation

Need to warm my feet

Also a shotgun blast lmb would be sick

[vague crater]

hmm yeah i like bubble but i imagine at higher level stuff, double shield is better

[potent echo]

Bubble everywhere

It's kinda too good

Absorbs trapper nets, bon puke, flamers

[royal totem]

bubble is really good even in h40

but uhhh

[vague crater]

lol with the 2 cdrs nodes theres like 2 sec downtime

pretty nice

[royal totem]

the downside is in like h40 or really h30+ it doesn't last that long

h40 bubbles tend to be like 6 secs ish

[potent echo]

Psyker throws it down then dies then realised team already backed into cover

It doesn't last long enough for you to spam lmb into hordes

But it's great cover in-between holds

[royal totem]

it's still good. it's just not some like long thing that your team can relax and chill in a long time

eat some candy or cookies or like scratch your nose

etc

[high rain]

Does the psyker force sword pierce through bulwark shield

The 3rd variant of the normal force sword

Cause I have never seen it do it

[potent echo]

It doesn't

I don't think anything can

[high rain]

Great force sword I think

[strong gulch]

They can't. The push attack can open them up.

[potent echo]

Inferno does I think and yea forcegreatsword special

Even thunder hammer just forces the shield aside but no damage

[strong gulch]

Inferno goes around a bulwark shield. The ranged part of the FGS special does go through. But none of the regular melee hits from FS or FGS go through a bulwark shield.

DS's old poke special used to go through bulwark shields, but it was finicky to pull off in combat.

[potent echo]

Inferno/flamer is kind of the only thing that doesn't go through walls but goes through shields

[strong gulch]

They go around not through.

arms and feet sticking out

[deft stump]

Is more, tall chars can poke the silver of head with it.

Randomly.

[strong gulch]

Tall is rewarded with random dome access. lol

[potent echo]

They have made dome hits slightly easier over the patches

[royal totem]

hmmm i think i need to play like 10 games tomorrow of DT and then should be ready

[strong gulch]

Remember when assail RMB could stagger open bulwarks?? It sure would be something if that ever came back.

[royal totem]

suffering for melk bucks

[potent echo]

Stockpiling melk bux to do hive trinket gacha

[royal totem]

i've devolved into a heresy player for the complete 8 missions melk thing

yea. it's annoying

[strong gulch]

I am not. I am spending them in a very sill way for a character I am not playing.

[high rain]

What's the stopping power or psyker staffs

Every single one of em on alt fire or normal fire seems to suppress enemies

[royal totem]

what do you mean stopping power? stagger or?

[high rain]

The server be that makes the uhhh enemies stop shootung

Shooting

[potent echo]

Lmb balls have great suppression

[high rain]

Like the reaper

[potent echo]

Inferno suppresses on both

[strong gulch]

The bolt LMB can suppress anything that is suppressible. inferno RMB has more suppression while the LMB has more stagger.

[royal totem]

just don't try to suppress plasma gunners :3

[ripe obsidian]

Plasma gunners were an issue for all of a week

Then they got nerfed into irrelevance

[royal totem]

they're not irrelevant but they're not like some insane threat anymore

though i wish we'd get more of them

penance hunting and all

[potent echo]

If you get hit by them it still sucks, but it's easier to dodge them now

[compact cargo]

They still hurty, they still tanky, but they are not pre rework havoc gunners anymore

[royal totem]

i'm not so afraid of a single shot from them in terms of it hurting

i'm afraid of it opening up the chance for other things to hit me 🙂

[ripe obsidian]

I don't find them to be a meaningful threat 99% of the time

Rarely they manage to hit me, and that's always a little surprising

But Psyker has so much toughness regen that it hardly matters

[royal totem]

i don't play psyker ._.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

Play Psyker

Or else.

[royal totem]

no. if i do i just die over and over 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I will say >:( at you until you psyk

[royal totem]

Six. I blow up 6 times in a game of damnation 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

Better than 7 times

[royal totem]

lul. i blow up when using surge surge

but i don't think i'm allowed to inferno

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[royal totem]

@ripe obsidian when i inferno...nothing dies

[daring comet]

My Beloved?

[ripe obsidian]

I am your Beloved. >:(

[royal totem]

Six is the king

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[wind spruce]

Bruh you absolutely are good enough

You can soft carry H40s. That's good enough.

Have you seen the average quality of gaming content creators?!

[royal totem]

Im truly not good enough

Heresy player

[ripe obsidian]

Eh. I'd just be one of many H40 players streaming or posting videos. Not enough to get a pizza.

[royal totem]

Six likes being paid in pizza. Noted

[static vessel]

If you stream urself doing havoc 40s you'll get access to swag earlier than ususal

By that I mean. Youtubers privilege

[daring comet]

Im a malice player

Only truly cracked players can play above malice tbh.

[royal totem]

Oh sorry. I meant sedition.

[compact cargo]

I miss Sedation

[daring comet]

I just unlocked Scriers Gaze...i'm ready to have my brain explode

[royal totem]

Now youve unlocked big power.

[strong gulch]

I'd argue that not being good at games, but also not terrible unless it's funny terrible, is better for content.

Particularly if you can add a lil personality.

Just watching high skill play can get really boring vs lol silly face got overheaded.

[royal totem]

So potato should be the streamer

[ripe obsidian]

Inb4 i-have-a-plan.mp4

[daring comet]

wait..

ITS SO GOOOD

how ami supposed to go back to other classes after having tasted this power

[strong gulch]

Too much anxiety ngl.

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is unironically the best class by a wide margin.

[strong gulch]

I was playing oggy with kickback and there were SO MANY FECKING RANGED UNITS.

Would not be a problem on psyker. 😭

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker >>> Veteran > Oggy/Arby > Zealot, I think

No idea where scum slots in

[sullen fog]

I'll protect you

[strong gulch]

Mighty Bean needs it. lmao

Beans will be ok.

[sullen fog]

You'll be safe in my bubble

[royal totem]

When i play any class im like a wet noodle

[fierce crest]

kickback kills ranged units tho

[strong gulch]

Bubble good. Wall too short.

[sullen fog]

Yes. I have a fantastic build I've been running

[strong gulch]

100 scattered ranged units whe you're alone?

[sullen fog]

Fucked

PM me if you want

[strong gulch]

No am good 🫡

If we end up playing togther then we bubble.

[fierce crest]

yeah just kill like 3-4 ranged units per shot

np

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

pewpewpewpewpew

pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpew

Anyone wanna do auric or summat since Havoc is ded? Contract progress while we wait for the Scumtide to make life hell?

[fiery stratus]

@ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

I do not look forward to Hive Scum.

Much higher skill floor than Arby, it seems.

[fiery stratus]

i'm looking forward to it

not looking forward to the auric nerds getting flattened

[ripe obsidian]

I am not looking forward to another climb to H40

[quartz barn]

Time to get pulled into am as lvl 3 scum and carry

[fiery stratus]

bro when i was leveling my psyker last year, i was carrying at like level 11 in heresy for my maxed teammates

[weary idol]

I don't think vet is that far from psyker

with power sword+double barrel you can outperform inferno psyker into everything basically

but that does require you to actually play the game

[quartz barn]

Because neutral game skill has nothing to do with level

You just do less dmg

[fiery stratus]

a lot less

soloing plague ogryn with a grey butterknife while everyone was scattering like rats

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, Psyker >> Veteran

[quartz barn]

Simply pull 20 greys, upgrade and consume them for a insta maxxed out weapon

[compact cargo]

That's bad

Why play game

[fiery stratus]

dont quote me but im pretty sure your weapons aren't high enough rating for good xp until your character is maxed

at least it seemed that way when i leveled arbitrator

[cold ivy]

yeah sacrifice xp scales with the weapon's rating

[ripe obsidian]

@fiery stratus If thou art doing Auric, invite me

[fiery stratus]

ok one sec

[cold ivy]

so at low levels you get basically no mastery xp with buy gray -> consecrate to green -> donate to hadron

[quartz barn]

Its about 25 greens at 300 power for 0-20 mastery

[cold ivy]

but when hive scum comes out you can probably speedlevel with rashad + bolt pistol cuz mastery carries over between characters

[daring comet]

mastery carries over??

[kindred geyser]

mastery and resources (dockets, plasteel, diamantine, melk bucks) are account wide

the individual weapons and trinkets themselves are not

[daring comet]

yeah im addicted to melee psyker

I keep blowing myself up but damn its fun

[ripe obsidian]

So long as you kill heretics when you blow yourself up

[fiery stratus]

@ripe obsidian almost 900 arbitrator, you know that dude gets insta flattened on any other character

[ripe obsidian]

Man, I remember when Auric was hard for me

[ripe obsidian]

Yeahhhhhhh

[fiery stratus]

our teammates ahve been good

every solo que i carry and have to clutch 2-3 times

[ripe obsidian]

When I first went from Damnation to Auric, I had a hell of a t ime

[fiery stratus]

every game without fail

[ripe obsidian]

Currently I am just goofing around on meleeker

I got poxburster'd

[fiery stratus]

watch that vet hes dumb as fuck

[quartz barn]

Me getting filtered by mutant hordes back when i got into am

Good times

[ripe obsidian]

I walked around a corner and met 10,000 bursters

[fiery stratus]

neither of these dumb mother fuckers know how to push a burster for shit

[ripe obsidian]

My audio is failing me

[fiery stratus]

its horrible with the bursters

cuting out and muddled as fuck

[strong gulch]

Silent everything be upon ye.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I think all of my downs were to silent bursters

[fiery stratus]

at least 2 of mine were because our vet is dumb as shit and kept shooting shit, i got blown up by barrels he lit 2-3 times as well

[quartz barn]

Just react faster

Or be really fast and run past them

[fiery stratus]

i'm gonna start pushing them onto my dumb randoms instead

[weary idol]

why tf would I use bolt pistol

I'm gonna be using infantry autogun

[tiny kestrel]

Empowered Psionics or Disrupt Destiny for Assail build?

[ripe obsidian]

DD

[weary idol]

Disrupt Destiny is much better

Empower Psionics is funny though

[strong gulch]

If you are only concerned with buffing assail, EP.

But DD buffs assail a lot AND it buffs more than just blitz.

So yeah DD.

[daring comet]

getting top damage every game now

[wooden sand]

Are you trying to flex? On Darktide?

[daring comet]

Nope!

Just documenting my psyker journey!

[wooden sand]

Flex

[ripe obsidian]

Flex, my child

Flex thy psyker skills

[daring comet]

I definitely feel like until level 20 I was all Glass no cannon, then when I got scriers gaze i felt like i understood the gameplay loop

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze is super overloaded

It's funny

[fiery stratus]

this dude is either leveling or doesnt know that you do need SOME mobility

doing mastery

his evis has like 20-30% mobility

[daring comet]

was it like that before the tree rework?

[tiny kestrel]

Just tried it and yep, 25 stacks + Gaze slaughters anything without a helmet. Thanks!

[ripe obsidian]

It was less overloaded. But still pretty silly

[fiery stratus]

@ripe obsidian Ooop wrong button

[ripe obsidian]

Ha

I think I have one more game in me

Voidstrike on the train map is very funny

[wind spruce]

Yeah but that's where the entertainment factor comes in. You're plenty skilled enough.

Just breaks my heart to see you not believe in yourself, sixy

😭

Hive scum is an indirect buff to all other classes bc after I play it for awhile I might actually remember to use stims on psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I am not very entertaining, lol

[wraith sphinx]

Fr I'm thinking the same lol

Might buy hivescum after all because after seeing the gameplay footage it feels kinda like the inverse of what I felt for arbites

whereas I liked the arbites' aesthetics but not the gameplay

[daring comet]

How do i stop the voices from speaking?

[zealous wing]

which voices

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's why you're going hungry. Just saying you're skilled enough

[blazing drift]

I can't find any updated fire trauma build anywhere, - feeling nostalgic anyone got one to share?

[zealous wing]

should be a few blazing trauma builds in the bonanza in the pins

as well as a template i think

[blazing drift]

ahhh yep - i missed it. thanks

[zealous wing]

ah rip.... indeed, new havoc season incoming

i sense a lot of bubbleknight in my future

[hollow crescent]

scary

[languid pine]

gk ib whc ws

literally nothing can go wrong with this comp

but in a broader sense its 1 hard frontline (fk/ib) 2 frontline and 1 backline

lower difficulties let you do 2 frontline 2 backline

if you do happen to want to go play modded vt2 i will say that the win rate is extremely, extremely low (10%)

[late yew]

i think more importantly it is ease of use

IB just passive tankiness

GK just broken overall + passives from quests

WS is just aimbot

WHC requires to press 1 button

[plucky flax]

Based build guy made it must be pro

[languid pine]

i wouldnt say ease of use because slayer is 10x easier than gk

whc is also considered one of the careers with a top skill ceiling

its more like these 4 synergise with each other so much its not even funny

ib is the best tank in the game able to create space and hold it like no other, also has a pocket rumbler

gk isn't the best elite killer but the ability to shit out strength pots for the team makes him more valuable than slayer

waystalker is the best special sniper and also has team heal regen on top

whc also serves as a secondary hook protection to ib while giving crit buffs to gk and a debuff to all elites/monsters

[zinc phoenix]

The melee only classes are unusable with average groups, not being able to snipe out specials is a death sentence

You’re basically gambling you have someone good in the group who will keep you from getting hosed by a bad storm

And not the usual set of people who just kinda walk into storm repeatedly and go “wow, sure wish this would stop”

Bolt Sienna, FK and IB are really good when pugging imo because they can trivially resolve a lot of the situations that otherwise lead to party wipe

[weary idol]

oh I did it with WHC

because the yhad the exact same thing that happened to psyker recently happen

glass cannon that had their glass removed and made more cannon

[zinc phoenix]

Necro is also really good pugging because you’re immortal and can grind down bosses with the staff while chugging skellies for peril reduction so you can eventually win any situation

But some maps bug out skellies or the boss design includes aoe spam which eats the skellies so necro sucks in those

[late yew]

what the acutal fuck

no

just

no

[zinc phoenix]

Waystalker is god tier for pugging because team heal

And the bow snapshot 👌

Plus dual sword fuckin shreds hordes and you can press f to remove baddy

[late yew]

Sounds like skissue

MY BODY IS THE PROJECTILE

leaps on gunner

[zinc phoenix]

Leap on cd, guess I’ll die 🤷‍♀️ 🪦

[late yew]

cd is very short

[zinc phoenix]

It’s short enough for self protection, not to save the brain rotted

On a good group that hunts specials 👌 it goes so hard

[late yew]

Nah

[zinc phoenix]

But I’ve seen the dummies get soloed by a leech while I’m not there to protecc

[late yew]

i hade plenty of games on slayer where i had dogshit team nad i had to do everything myself

I had most special kills and it was fine

[zinc phoenix]

Well that’s great, I just do not trust

[late yew]

also you can take throwing axes

[zinc phoenix]

Just like you can rock chainsword

[late yew]

throwing axes are very good though, what are you talking about

one-shot every special

[zinc phoenix]

They’re deffo not

[languid pine]

i was talking in terms of modded

[zinc phoenix]

Yes they do that, I think you’d agree there are a million better options for slots

[languid pine]

official realm anything goes

[zinc phoenix]

Anyway I really don’t like bardin because I can’t see anything above ass height

It’s just a sea of ass in every engagement

[late yew]

fuck modded

no one seriously discusses modded

suht up

yo are wrong

woe be upon your line

[late yew]

me irl

[deft stump]

Easy crotch shots. Devs need to add a multiplier for hitting the gonads.

[plucky flax]

No havoc on monday this week

[deft stump]

I thought closed till after ganger release?

[plucky flax]

Read the date I put

Day

Whatever

[zinc phoenix]

Real and true

[deft stump]

Nu.

[fading crystal]

voidstrike staff, how much should you chrage it

Should I be going for 100%?

[radiant frigate]

depends on what you're shooting

but generally yes

[late yew]

RIGHT IN THE DONGLIZ

A LOW BLOW, DAWRI

[radiant frigate]

funny, actually
bardin makes these callouts on headshot
like a really roundabout way of calling them dickheads

[deft stump]

I mean, tell me. If I swing at hammer there, it would HURT, right?

[radiant frigate]

hurt yes immediately lethal no

perhaps increased stagger values would be fitting

[deft stump]

Stagger or stunned.

[radiant frigate]

knockdown a la deimos h2

[deft stump]

Also that, extra funni.

[summer prairie]

since havoc is down did a high shock auric gloriana duo, we had stealth cheat though

one poxburster kill and one accidental dog kill

[zinc phoenix]

As a man I would consider it an 11/10 pain and immediately die

[jovial juniper]

Or you just get it removed smoove off

Where are you going to feel the pain

When it's not there anymore

[radiant frigate]

my apologies it seems i was mistaken

[zinc phoenix]

“Join papa nurgle, we’ll cut your balls off!” seems like an iffy recruiting pitch

[jovial juniper]

We all know Nurgle offers free healthcare

(You get some immunity against diseases)

[radiant frigate]

more like health don'tcare

[jovial juniper]

[radiant frigate]

join or no balls

[zinc phoenix]

Join AND no balls!

[radiant frigate]

balls are temporary
papa nurgle is forever

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile Slaanesh out here handing people Swedish penis enlargers

[radiant frigate]

all balls belong to papa nurgle, they were never yours in the first place
from balls you came and to balls you shall return

this concludes my daily schizoposting

[jovial juniper]

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

[radiant frigate]

warp sickness, sibling

pay me no mind

[wind spruce]

What is this from? It's right on the tip of my tongue but can't get there

[marble crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVy9Lgpg1m8

[summer prairie]

did hunting grounds pacifist run as well, specialist ai kind of breaks when you've so many dogs just chilling

[wind spruce]

Had to watch the full thing. What a banger of a music video.

Also one of blink looks weirdly like frodo

[marble crater]

How can we be sure it isn't him?

[patent steeple]

btw, I dunno whether or not I should swap Warp Speed to Warp Splitting on my FGS meleeker build.

I like being able to more reliably go from one target to the next during SG (Warp Speed helps with that), but I know Splitting is a better option...

[wind spruce]

I'm pretty sure he canonically is frodo and frodo canonically is in blink

The crossover we never knew we needed

[wind spruce]

Are you running assail

[patent steeple]

yes, but I tend to forget to use it, especially when I can just run at the enemy instead...

[zealous wing]

is it upgraded

if you have ethereal shards put that into splitting instead

[wind spruce]

Switch to flayer then

[patent steeple]

that needs one point, and I use assail specifically because I can then save that point and put it into something else...

[wind spruce]

Or put a sticky note hanging over the top of your screen with assail written on it until the irritation compels you to remember to use it consistently

[zealous wing]

this is what i work with, MM can be skipped if you keep forgetting to weave assail for damage

[wind spruce]

Well that's a miscalc. The only blitz that doesn't require an additional point is smite. Assail always needs splitting and BB needs KF.

[zealous wing]

quick shards also just preference,

[zealous wing]

correction, assail doesnt NEED splitting as an extra point, if you're mainly melee, you should have splitting anyway if youre doing horde work imo

[wind spruce]

Semantics aside, taking assails cleave from 2 enemies to 3-4 is not something you skip.

[zealous wing]

am curious what else you took tho to not have splitting and have warp speed

i have both

plus quick shards on assail

[wind spruce]

Perilous

[zealous wing]

oh soulblaze stealing

rip

[summer prairie]

Ok finally a fully pacifist hi shock auric

[wind spruce]

I firmly believe that any psyker build without perilous is objectively non-optimal.

[quartz barn]

I thought soulblaze stealing wasnt really a thing anymore?

[wind spruce]

WITHOUT

[zealous wing]

inferno / blazing trauma the only exception

[zealous wing]

it is

[zealous wing]

ah, then youre wrong

[quartz barn]

Or does whoever hit last now take ownership

[wind spruce]

Nahh

[quartz barn]

Because wasnt it changed

[wind spruce]

It's just good

[zealous wing]

FIRST flame stack owns

[quartz barn]

Nvm still the same as before then

[zealous wing]

its very meh when you cant do anything with it

[jovial juniper]

The early psyker gets the ownership

[quartz barn]

All good tho, almost all my builds still kept ownership in mind

[zealous wing]

the perks that DO do well is if you run soul drinker on a non-soulblaze build like rending trauma, specifically for working with the inferno psyker

[quartz barn]

Ye exactly, thats my other havoc setup

[wind spruce]

It's the only aoe you have on builds that skip it (besides fgs)

[zealous wing]

but a random few spurts of fire here and there dont do much except cause issues with the inferno psyker trying to help you clear the armour horde

[wind spruce]

And stealing the ownership really does not matter

[zealous wing]

it does... if the inferno cant stack uncanny on that armour youre fucked

[wind spruce]

Unless your inferno psyker is actually using uncanny

Well yeah but that doesn't matter outside of rotten

[zealous wing]

especially since theres no way to know who has what armour under their control

[zealous wing]

still a bad habit to have imo

like i get it its FUN, sure

but if you dont run KF even, its doing nothing for you really

[wind spruce]

It's not about fun, I don't even notice it... that is until I have to deal with a group without having anyone to aoe it

Suddenly I can't just pick the elites off and having everything else die

[zealous wing]

its like blazing spirit on an FGS, 99% the time if you crit the thing you hit is dead

[wind spruce]

Bruh

The mechanic that makes blaze trauma so good is that trauma has a HUGE tickle radius outside of the blue circle

[zealous wing]

this is for a melee build in mind, not stave

PC on someone running around killing things, wont help tons more than say, more cleave, more damage, etc

[wind spruce]

It absolutely will.

[zealous wing]

if they skipped warp splitting, they probably also skipped malefic momentum

[wind spruce]

If you're surrounded by armour and you have your toothpick, assail, and a las pistol

Perilous is the difference between life and death

[zealous wing]

im gonna duel the crushers with my FGS

[wind spruce]

So am I, and everything else will die around them as more soulblaze stacks up. In the days of duelling sword supremacy the crushers would also die from the SB.

[mighty cipher]

The thing that makes perilous comBUSTion so good is that it can cascade

One thing dies, refreshes all nearby timers, and then that process repeats for how many enemeis are in the group and suddenly everything is dead

It gets exponentially stronger the more enemies there are.

[zealous wing]

"suddenly"

[mighty cipher]

Exageration but my point still stands

If you go into the psykarnium you can set up an infinite over in the specialist corner with Kinetic Flayer

[wind spruce]

Yes. Suddenly. Enemies in darktide only have two health-based states. Alive and dead. So all deaths occur suddenly when health reaches zero.

[zealous wing]

this person isnt using KF

[wind spruce]

See I can be pedantic too

[mighty cipher]

OH are we critiquing a build?

[wind spruce]

We are discussing this generally

[wind spruce]

You can go infinite even without flayer

[zealous wing]

someone asked about warp splitting vs warp speed, and we're guessing they're running PC on a melee build, and they've got unupgraded assail as their blitz so no points there to scrap

[wind spruce]

Just kill a few specialists in the right configuration

[mighty cipher]

True. but with flayer its piss easy.

[zealous wing]

ye if they had KF, sure run it

[wind spruce]

Yes and then we started discussing perilous generally because I said it should be run on every build

[zealous wing]

but with no other sources of fire, you'd be better grabbing splitting or MM instead imo

[mighty cipher]

Perilous doesn't need support to make copious amounts of fire. Three GS heavies into a shotgunner patrol and you can leave the rest to burn to death

[zealous wing]

if you leave them to burn to death theres a high chance you still get shot

[mighty cipher]

It's an example

[wind spruce]

You don't have to leave or stop damaging things. They burn up while you're still attacking things.

[mighty cipher]

Perilous is so fucking stupid that it makes me wish the other classes had an equivalent to a degree

[wind spruce]

This is 29 point meleeker/gunker

It's pretty much solved

There is no two talents left that would justify not taking perilous

[plucky flax]

If you know you play a competent burga guy no need to take it cos you dont want to steal their soulblaze

[quartz barn]

Its always the opposite way around

[zealous wing]

then dont play with incompetent inferno psykers

[quartz barn]

Not that, its that im a better purg player. So im always stuck with it

[marsh badger]

Is the game down? I don't see anything on PF

[mighty cipher]

I’m currently on it so I don’t think so

[wind spruce]

If they actually use uncanny, absolutely

[marble crater]

Is Tides of Torment also important for the build?

[marsh badger]

oh havoc is turned off until tomorrow, so sort of

[wind spruce]

Just take souldrinker instead of the point and enjoy extra crit and toughness gigging

[wind spruce]

Very

[marble crater]

[wind spruce]

Bit of high elf flavour, because it's a superior build. Slaanesh bc it's degenerate fun. And Sayl bc ima betray you with a barrel launch into the deep hive.

[royal totem]

welp. 10 games won't finish themselves. time for me to play

[marble crater]

Potato already tries to barrel me every mission, I can't have two people trying to kill me

[royal totem]

only havoc down

potato takes killing heretics seriously. including heretic players

[quartz barn]

Deserved prob

[marble crater]

It's just revenge for killing him with a barrel that one time, we have been in an eternal barrel war ever since

[royal totem]

leave me out of the barrel war

[wraith sphinx]

nuh uh

you're getting conscripted

[wind spruce]

He does the lords work

[wraith sphinx]

I got just 70k left to poxbreaker....

[zealous wing]

225k for me

[royal totem]

that's a lot of heretics killed in a week 😛

[pale prairie]

It’s more like three! Remember hexis letting that mutie by?

[marble crater]

I will get my revenge for this

[zealous wing]

will you now

[marble crater]

Yes

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[zealous wing]

cant get revenge if you never play with me

[royal totem]

SuT never plays with me either

[pale prairie]

Maybe that’s the revenge

[marble crater]

I will make a new character with a name you don't know and then BOOM!

[pale prairie]

Emotional scars hurt the most

[zealous wing]

we're friends

[royal totem]

i think SuT is still mad about damnation

[marble crater]

Playing with those two gave me covid

[zealous wing]

you were the one who wanted damnation

you couldve chosen auric

[marble crater]

Probably would have gotten cancer then

[zealous wing]

you were the only one who COULD choose above heresy

dw tho now its doms turn

[quartz barn]

Shouldve bullied one into leaving

Then you get to kick the other with only 2 votes

[zealous wing]

there were three of us, on baby characters

sut took us to damnation

its 3v1

[pale prairie]

Alright so who is gonna be Hive’s C U M and be dragged into auric?

[quartz barn]

Me pls

[zealous wing]

me, beans, ninja, i think nems also wants to try, and ive got someone else i think who wants to give it a try

[quartz barn]

Actually nvm, i want to be dragged into am

[zealous wing]

mael could be fun, but i dont wanna leave dom to solo auric mael

[quartz barn]

Unless you queue up lights out, gas or vent purge because i still need those penances

[zealous wing]

i think we're gonna try to queue the new map as well on auric

its a new campaign so hopefully its 100% replayable easily

[quartz barn]

Good old tree rework

Ive only done that mission on am

Was scuffed learning at first lmao

And then even more scuffed to be the only proper stagger bot on the team and wait 15 min for pubs to figure it out

[zealous wing]

the dot puzzle?

[quartz barn]

Yup

[zealous wing]

ye that was a fuckin nightmare when i was new

it was just my spouse and i playing as well

in private game

[quartz barn]

That was when the ai director was broken as well

[zealous wing]

ooof

glad its a lil nicer now

[quartz barn]

Tbh that was a fun time

[royal totem]

sounds like you have too many people i'll dip out of level 1 and just play uprising normally

[zealous wing]

nah we'll probably have weird times or tag ins

dom has the day off, and im around, i think beans and ninja will pop up later on

the other guy is a "just in case we have room and hes around" slot fill

[royal totem]

it's ok. i don't play at your hours anyways

[unreal yew]

is scrier gaze good or bad?

[marble crater]

Good

Many would even say it's very good

[wraith sphinx]

It is ridiculously good

[quaint lark]

Its fucking amazing

I use it with Smite and can keep smite up for quite some time with it

[marble crater]

[wraith sphinx]

uh oh he said the s word!!!

[royal totem]

i'm gonna pretend that person doesn't exist for now

or my day will be ruined

instead i'll talk about how i just had a group that decided "let's shut the boss out of the lift"

surprise surprise it was waiting for us as soon as we got off

[quaint lark]

WHATS WRONG WITH SMITE?!

I USE IT CORRECTLY NOT SPAMMING IT 24/7

[mighty cipher]

It’s generally just better to have enemies funnel into the meat grinder than CC them at range.

[quaint lark]

The amount of times I get randos who split off instantly is insane, without smite most of them would die in a heart beat

[wraith sphinx]

Nothing, it's just a running gag that smite is a trigger word for this channel

[mighty cipher]

It barely works against crushers which is the only enemy you’d actually want to CC like that anyways.

[mighty cipher]

That’s the exception. It’s AMAZING at saving people with less smarts than an ogryn.

[quaint lark]

I can not only keep crushers stunned easily but while they take care of the horde of rotten armors while I keep them clear of anything else while a zealot watches for a boss to one shot

I use smite the right way not spamming it 24/7

[unreal yew]

I am trying to adjust and doing a focused melee build and scrier gaze is amazing

[quaint lark]

Unless theres that one modifier for havoc where extra hordes of blue clothed guys spawn then I sorta use it 24/7 as it kills them and I just hate them tbh

[zealous wing]

let them. the game is going to actively try its best to kill those who break coherency

[royal totem]

please for the love of god can we not have this discussion again.

[zealous wing]

days since smite argument: 0

[royal totem]

actively making everybody's days worse

[quaint lark]

I would let them die but sometimes that lil bit of them staying alive for a living punching bag is better though

[zealous wing]

but ye meleeker is fun

[royal totem]

its already been discussed over 9000 times the problems with this and everybody that uses it claims they're somehow an exception. so can people please stop?

[zealous wing]

scriers 100% the way for melee

[royal totem]

all i do is play silly vet

[zealous wing]

well, scriers 99.99% the way for melee

[quaint lark]

Its gonna happen again but I shall quiet down for now

[zealous wing]

that last little bit is specific to bubleknight

[quaint lark]

Poor bubble

[heavy dagger]

is mk6 or 8 better for greatsword

[royal totem]

mk 6 easier

i think suppposedly also does a lil more damage but i wouldnt know for sure

[zealous wing]

mk 6 is generally agreed to be the best one

easy access to TheStab ™

and, horde clear pattern very easy as well

god i hope we get a skin in commodores for FGS soon

[royal totem]

i just want hive scum to actually have drip

[zealous wing]

they will, tho idk for sure if any will fit your vibe, i hope so

FS will have more to work with so hopefully that bodes well

[royal totem]

it's not about fitting my vibe.

i just think it's a bit depressing if FS has dripless classes

[zealous wing]

arby is the only dripless one

still pretty sure thats a GW issue not an FS issue

[royal totem]

i'm pretty sure too but

still sadge

i guess i quit playing arbie

happened by accident. i just realized i haven't played my arbie for weeks

[zealous wing]

havent played him much either tbh

[wraith sphinx]

nah I like arby drip

I'm a sucker for that kind of spiffy getup

minus the goofy golden pauldron

[royal totem]

good for you you like it. just want more options for it

[wraith sphinx]

if ganger somehow had arby's drip I'd buy the dlc in a heartbeat

I'm still gonna buy ganger because the gameplay looks fire but I don't like ganger drip

[royal totem]

i'm thinking of just buying the norm version

cuz not sure i'd like any ganger drip and seems pointless paying 9 extra for that

[wraith sphinx]

I will check if the slop shop will have something nicer than the base cosmetics

and if they do I'll consider buying with my leftover aquilas

[royal totem]

i have like 4-5k aquilas but

nothing i want to spend on

[wraith sphinx]

I have like a dozen various items, mostly for psyker and veteran

[royal totem]

i pretty much just play zealot and vet

i miss playing left side tree on zealot though it's not that good

[fast summit]

what's a good secondary pairing with the Blaze Force GS? I'm not too sure about Bolt Pistol so just wondering

[wraith sphinx]

laspistol

[royal totem]

recon las gun or las pistol

recon las gun easier to use

[fast summit]

I might do laspistol

[wraith sphinx]

run at enemies with laspistol out, switch to sword and start swinging

[fast summit]

such a shame how the 'lesser' guns in-lore feel better than the literal boltguns but it's fine

better, not worse

[wraith sphinx]

yea that boltgun nerf was honestly uncalled for

[fast summit]

I'll just do chainsword bolt pistol when I make my vet build it's fine

[royal totem]

FS nerfs based on usage i think or something

boltgun still pretty good on vet

[fast summit]

vet prob won't be for a while for me, I plan on getting psyker to lvl30 today, making a build for her, and then moving to the new class tomorrow

so excited for hive scum

I wanted admech at first but then saw the rocket launcher, dual uzis, all the custom stuff and was like "well why didn’t we start with that??"

[patent steeple]

I am starting to feel like Shredder is just a better VIAG in most situations...

Shredder has better recoil, mobility and spread. its only two problems afaik are it taking 2 small ammo pickups to get 1 mag's worth of ammo, and it having less damage vs bosses than VIAG.

[royal totem]

i'm preparing to commit war crimes in Tertium

[royal totem]

but those are both big problems

[royal totem]

it's ok take your time and enjoy and all. vet is either my fav or second fav class atm

[unreal yew]

is there any guide for melee weapon? I know most melee weapons are used by most but some weapons are psyker specific and I can't guide a guide for blessings and perks

[zealous wing]

the bonanza should explain them

in pins

tho it is a build guide, i cant imagine six skipping those

[royal totem]

i think

Six said they're being a lil lazy on filling in that section

sumthin like dat

[zealous wing]

worst case, we can help you with which ones to go for

[royal totem]

best psyker melee weapons are FS DS and knife......and SIGH FGS

[patent steeple]

fair point, but I still think the positives of running Shredder outweigh the negatives of it not being VIAG (sprint-shooting and better accuracy in particular).

[zealous wing]

knife is good as a mobility tool and thats really it, tho its crazy fun

[royal totem]

idk that's up to you shrugs. as long as you don't end up having to be an ammo hog

[zealous wing]

its not the BEST but its not horrible

[royal totem]

yeah but making me have to call FGS good

hurts my soul

[unreal yew]

I love the I the FGS but don't know which blessings and perks to take

[patent steeple]

I have assail to save some ammo, don't worry.

[zealous wing]

oneshotting auric crushers shouldnt hurt your soul

[unreal yew]

the bonanza just list the weapons and builds. It says nothing about blessings and perks

[royal totem]

idk. i can't ever get my FGS to do that

[zealous wing]

unstable power, and a preference blessing. deflector, shred, riposte

[zealous wing]

because its very goofy buff stacking

[weary idol]

yeah but you see psyker is bad in melee so it's fine

[unreal yew]

is wrath good?

[royal totem]

too much work. and the wep in general still just hurts my soul

[zealous wing]

wrath is definitely an ok blessing

[patent steeple]

I can twoshot them at best, because the stab is the second or third heavy (depending on if I remember to block for a bit first to skip the weapon swap heavy...)

[weary idol]

decent blessin

the easiest to keep active of the cleave blessings

[unreal yew]

since I use scrier gaze and go ham in melee when active

more cleave is alway good

[ripe obsidian]

You're bad in melee. >:(

[zealous wing]

cleave is good, warp splitting talent is nice, more crits tho is better for the bigger things

[unreal yew]

don't know which blessing to take unstable power and something else. Deflector sounds good

[strong gulch]

Ye. It me.

[zealous wing]

take deflector for block efficiency, and if you have kinetic deflection, it will block gunner bullets very well if you positioned poorly and need to move

[unreal yew]

more cleave is a bit redundant with warp splitting

[zealous wing]

i used deflector for a while, and very much miss it when i dont have it

i use shred now

[strong gulch]

Have you tried running shed and riposte at the same time to see what you get better uptime with?

[quartz barn]

shred unstable

[heavy dagger]

should i use scrier gaze with my inferno staff build, i dont get much from venting shriek

[verbal thistle]

Do you know what vent is doing?

[heavy dagger]

yea it staggers and quells 50%

[mental rock]

Don't get much from shriek? Brother what

[heavy dagger]

maybe im not using it right

[verbal thistle]

Venting can apply 1-6 burn stacks depending on what peril you were at when you ult, and it ups the burn stack limit from 16 to 31 for every enemy hit

Plus stagger

And if you see the damage table for soulblaze

It's a sharp increase when above 20 stacks of burn

This allows for high boss damage and faster elite clear

[heavy dagger]

oh ok makes sense, ty

[verbal thistle]

Use vent when you are at 86% peril for max burn stacks

Both abilities are great

[heavy dagger]

thank you

[verbal thistle]

But people downplay vent because it has unlisted upsides

[heavy dagger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff37923-45f7-4691-93c5-4c6b0f8e58a9/soulblaze-inferno-staff-psyker-current

im using this build

without kinetic flayer

[verbal thistle]

Looks good

Unsure how much the talent under soul drinker is doing

In my testing with all the staffs it was only noticable with ek

I take wildfire myself

[mental rock]

Thrust on DS is cringe

I prefer precog or riposte

[marble crater]

Saying Thrust on DS is cringe, is cringe

[mental rock]

Yes

[verbal thistle]

Thrust is good for average use with its non dodge proc damage increase and it will be only used on mutants/crusher/boss

So it's fine

[strong gulch]

yip

[fast summit]

why are these things not told

[verbal thistle]

Many reasons

Short answer

It's fatshark

[fast summit]

venting shriek looks bad because of those hidden upsides when it's actually goated

[verbal thistle]

They have been doing this for over 10 years now

[fast summit]

so weird

[verbal thistle]

It's a pro and a con

People love figuring out these things making them understand the game better

[mighty cipher]

What are the hidden upsides? I know it has stagger and the “vent” portion, but what else?

[verbal thistle]

But it often leaves newer players way more lost then a normal game

[verbal thistle]

#psyker-class message

If you want an indepth read on all things shriek read Kuli's psyker guide

In pins

[weary idol]

they should give something like this to ogryn for burn stacks

[mighty cipher]

OH its that stuff. I wouldn’t say that’s a “hidden” thing, moreso the more creative ways it interacts with the kit.

[verbal thistle]

Hidden in the sense it doesn't say to the player when you try to look for it in game

You can't find this out without mods/code reading/ in depth testing with ttks

[summer prairie]

it pretty much does say

[verbal thistle]

The burn cap?

And where you reach the burn numbers for peril %

I know it says scales with peril

But doesn't provide any numbers

[mighty cipher]

I thought it was 83% that fired off the 6 stack vent?

[verbal thistle]

Maybe?

[strong gulch]

Game doesn't say SB global limit but it does say 1 - 6 SB depending on peril.

It doesn't say what the peril min is to get 6 SB stacks, shrieks range, how its stagger is based on peril, or that it can go through walls and floors (and it does change based on how high or low you look).

[verbal thistle]

Once again it literally doesn't say

Somewhere between 83-86

[strong gulch]

83.33% peril of 6 sb stacks

edit: I had 83.5% peril

[verbal thistle]

I forgot base game peril %

Since it rounds

[summer prairie]

it's 83.33% and since you normally don't see the decimals or even your exact peril, people say 84

[strong gulch]

but with the default UI, need to go to 85% due to rounding

[zealous wing]

dont have the mod for that

[verbal thistle]

I should add 5 more decimals to my peril bar

[weary idol]

I am finding out right now that it increases the soulblaze cap

[verbal thistle]

Would be funny

[weary idol]

Shows how much I played staff psyker despite maining the class xd

[mental rock]

I believe PC also has the same cap as shriek

[summer prairie]

there's a general sb cap and then specific caps that override it

pc and shriek don't have an override

[steep rune]

He worded in a way that new players reading will interpret as you can go 16 -> 22 stacks with shriek then "unlock" 22->31 with purgatus, but purgatus is capped at 16, it cant go above it even with shriek or perilous, whoever reading this

the most op thing about shriek that noone talks about is the fact that you 1 shot h40 shooters on 6 stacks

The little rats behind cover spread out

[steep rune]

I would 100% swap Essence Harvest for Kinetic Resonance so you can carry pugs on special kills (and gunners afar)

[heavy dagger]

thanks

[verbal thistle]

Yeah I worded it a bit wrong

[steep rune]

wildfire capping at 4 is so troll

[verbal thistle]

Not really

[summer prairie]

it would just kill everything otherwise

[steep rune]

yep

[lone ravine]

We don’t want lingering flames but aoe

[verbal thistle]

It's like a starter flame, it starts damage and activates on soulblaze enemies talents

[steep rune]

You def dont need it with pug+shriek tho

[strong gulch]

Wildfire mentioned.

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire my belove

[verbal thistle]

It helps with KF

And more active souldrinker

And in fire reborn

[strong gulch]

Wildfire good with there's multiple SB sources.

[verbal thistle]

I don't see why not

You don't need it more the damage just the soulblaze trigger

It can hit enemies off screen

[steep rune]

I personally dont like it

[verbal thistle]

Fair

Doesn't makes it bad

[steep rune]

You are shrieking every 8s in havoc that is

I could give it a shot, its been forever since I last used it

but that 1 point

is tough

[verbal thistle]

Try it with KF and you'll notice off screen specials dying

Specially with downtime

Specials spawning in teleporters are grouped up so it will stay on them

[steep rune]

KF tracking is very fun to 1shot specials with m1

[verbal thistle]

Yes

It's a decent skill expression

[steep rune]

weakauras when fatshark

[verbal thistle]

I've been experimenting with it in my Havoc 40 solo

[weary idol]

mfw wildfire kills several snipers and bombers I didn't even know existed

because KF procs and PC soulblaze stacks kills them

[verbal thistle]

Yes

Often apparent in special surges

When they stack on top of each other

[strong gulch]

@brisk rock Is the blazing spirit ranged section supposed to say 12 SB stacks?

[verbal thistle]

Oh yeah, ranged and melee are different with BS

Wait

Isn't it 4 per hit on melee

And only 3 per hit with range

[steep rune]

Agile is what made my duos much muchhhhhhhh smoother on shriek, I personally dont enjoy solos but I wish you good luck with it

[verbal thistle]

Wasn't that the only difference

Agile?

[strong gulch]

4 on ranged too

[steep rune]

on DS

[verbal thistle]

Ew

Okay

[strong gulch]

idk if its 4 on melee tbh

[verbal thistle]

I hate the concept of agile

It creates bad habits as well as being a bad damage increase

[steep rune]

its way too good on shriek

[verbal thistle]

If it works for you to for it

[steep rune]

I mean you dont use it for dmg

[verbal thistle]

I personally don't see any value

[steep rune]

If you have high melee dmg on shriek something is off

[verbal thistle]

What?

I run obscurus shriek