psyker-class

[acoustic jacinth]

The fact you're not able to take both means you're taking extra

Gamelsantern site

Build maker

Link

Or screenshot the tree u make

Like i did for you

[zealous wing]

they cant send images yet

[acoustic jacinth]

Damn

Link then

Grey role

[zealous wing]

ye more talking needed

[acoustic jacinth]

Truly, a crime

[mighty shuttle]

Hang on

Oh lmaooo

I misclicked earlier

And accidentally took a node I didn't mean to

Also is there any good blessing or dump stats for bolt pistol dedicated to murking ranged elites

swap and pop

Need to farm up mastery for it first but just overall goal

But yes I do have ogryn and momentum talents now

[acoustic jacinth]

I don't use bistol on my psyker so i can't say for sure. Lethal prox + puncture is the standard

Deadly accurate and surgical would net you highest dmg but i doubt it'd come in handy as much as the former

[mighty shuttle]

So I guess the main question is

What are the use cases for assail, vs bolt pistol

Is it redundant to have both?

[acoustic jacinth]

Nah

Bistol you can use for singled out targets, whether they be far away or some annoying lone gunner 40m away

[mighty shuttle]

Also does DD work in psykeraneum

[acoustic jacinth]

Assail is very good at ragers and mixed hordes

[mighty shuttle]

Don't see any marked targets, and makes sense!

[zealous wing]

if you have the mod creature spawner, yes, otherwise no

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah

[mighty shuttle]

I do not have the mod no, never used mods before

[acoustic jacinth]

Rip

[mighty shuttle]

Even though I probably have a very good use case for using one particular mod I saw long time ago

[zealous wing]

theres some handy ones, if you get curious let us know

[mighty shuttle]

The UI indicator because I'm legally deaf, and pox bursters are fucking ROUGH with that or lot of other disablers

[zealous wing]

then ye that would help a ton

the game is like 90% sound based

[mighty shuttle]

Aye still play AUric maelstorm and havoc regularly at my zenith, it's just inconsistent for me. But funny thing is my hearing is technically 'as good as human being' but my conscious mind being able to disseminate information actively is trickier

So there are absolutely situations where I get a bad feeling despite not hearing clear indicators and just dodging or shoving and turns out I pushed a pox or dog away, but that takes intense amount of training that can be lost if I don't play consistently

[austere warren]

Plenty of em around that are good for your needs with customization available. Not like they're getting banned yet and for folks that want stuff for aid to enjoy the game is fine.

The ones for the training mode are very useful for getting access to interactions needed to test things out.

[mighty shuttle]

Valid

So question about ragers and greatsword

I have not struggled persay, but it is messy

But I did not have DD

[austere warren]

Mhm.

[mighty shuttle]

Is greatswords meant to be good against ragers, and it's about mechanical expertise, or is it generally messier/trickier but not undoable?

[austere warren]

What would you say usually is the scenario that makes them a problem?

[acoustic jacinth]

Likely getting stunned out of a heavy attack and eating chip dmg

[mighty shuttle]

5 flak ragers chaining at me from middle of a crowd, I have bit clumsier time trying to find a tempo to wear them down/accidentally button mash a bit. Which I don't get killed or anything but likely take unnecessary chip damage

[austere warren]

Mhm

[mighty shuttle]

Oh shit

There's scab only no ranged modifier, I want to try my new build in that.

[dusk wren]

greatsword is good against everything

[austere warren]

Go on ahead. You're psyker so you can get it done.

[dusk wren]

if you get swarmed by 5 ragers, dodge back to get some space

[mighty shuttle]

I usually play ogryn with branx pickaxe and I love these modes because crunching my way through carapace horde is very satisfying haha, so I'm seeing how well I can emulate that on my psyker now

[mighty shuttle]

Got it, is it just doable to kill them consistently with zero damage, is it about outswinging them, do I weave in push attacks since it seems inconsistent what they get interrupted by or not.

[austere warren]

And on the note for ragers, I usually just take advantage of my range for headshotting them with melee.

[dusk wren]

you can and should push, but i wouldn't try more than once

and yeah push attack to the head is an instakill for them

depending on the mark

[austere warren]

Trying to remember the mark but it's supposed to be the same moveset as the mkx relic blade iirc

[acoustic jacinth]

How you react heavily depends on your weapon's moveset but in most cases, unless you have some form of stun resist chaining heavy attacks against large rager packs is a bad idea. With fgs i just throw out lights and wave heavy thrust in between (mk6 fgs)

[dusk wren]

no fgs has the same moveset as the relic blade

[acoustic jacinth]

What?

I'm saying because they are using fgs

[dusk wren]

i am not talking to you in this case

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh the comment above lol

[dusk wren]

like irrc, with relic blade you have to alternate or switch up between heavy and lights to handle hordes, with fgs it's mostly just a m1 spam

same for single target but with m2

and push attack for the mk6

[acoustic jacinth]

Mk6 fgs (the good one ) is pretty simple to use tbh

Its push followup is great for horde clear

[dusk wren]

is it

it's a stab

[acoustic jacinth]

Dead straight horizontal

The light

[mighty shuttle]

I use mk6 because it's the more complex pattern

And I figured best way to get good at it is use only that to build up muscle memory

[acoustic jacinth]

Mk6 is better anyways but i get that

Yep

[dusk wren]

sorry was thinking about mk8

[acoustic jacinth]

Like

[dusk wren]

yeah i mean, the lights themselves are all antihorde

[acoustic jacinth]

It's true that mk8 has more streamlined horde clear

[dusk wren]

tho they suck compared to the mk8's

[acoustic jacinth]

But giving up the heavy chain damage of mk6

Is a tough hit

ESPECIALLY

For meleeker

Where your thrust is your hail mary

[dusk wren]

eh, the stab is just placed on the push attack

[acoustic jacinth]

Not sure if the dmg values are the same tbh

Anyhow its getting too late here

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-26454802

Night

[dusk wren]

night

[mighty shuttle]

Night! thank you for the help!

[pure plinth]

blaze force sword perks and blessings?

there are so many good blessings that i may not choose two amongst them

[verbal thistle]

any combo of shred/riposte/unstable/precog

1 crit + 1 damage is common

[pure plinth]

no uncanny, or?

huh

[verbal thistle]

ahh

thinking greatsword

for 1 hand

uncanny/ripsote/precog/unstable/deflector/superiority/slaughter

uncanny is best in slot if you can stack it often

[zealous wing]

(you can stack it by push attacking enemies so you should always take it)

[verbal thistle]

superiority/slaughter/unstable if you are melee focus

[pure plinth]

ah

and on perks?

[verbal thistle]

depends on how you use it

if melee heavy flak/cara/unyield

if not then maniac/cara/unyield

maniac for mutants

if you are using deflector often

and want to block more

have a +2 stam perk

[mighty shuttle]

Wait the person went to sleep I wanted to ask about why lethal proximity and puncture blessing for bolt pistol

Because I intend to pick off distant elites with it so wouldn't proximity be redundant/not used?

[verbal thistle]

prox is some nice stagger against ragers, but if you dont want stagger then dont run it

[rigid sky]

I take my 1H force sword (obscurus) only on my inferno and voidblasts

so on those it makes sense to just put on unyielding and carapace imo

[zealous wing]

bistol is also good for getting a dog off of someone a floor above

it happens more than you'd think, but if you run FGS the slash uncharged works too

[rigid sky]

it's mostly used for anything that your staff struggles against, which is mostly just monsters and crushers

shriek is also the classic dog-b-gone

[tulip kettle]

you should listen to ainz 🙂 usually lethal prox is for abusing with blitz on other classes or for the bistol mk that does big explosions

[mighty shuttle]

Ainz?

[tulip kettle]

and puncture is, when the special you shot doesnt quite die, the bleed finishes it off. also for abuse with FGS special

[mighty shuttle]

Oh god I misunderstood

[tulip kettle]

the guy replying to you

[mighty shuttle]

I thought Ainz was an ability name or something hahaha

[zealous wing]

might as well be

[mighty shuttle]

Oh that kinda sounds nice. I heard that assail was good against ragers, but I almostn ever use it

[zealous wing]

ainz is at the top tier of players

[verbal thistle]

assail is amazing anti rager

and horde/mixed horde clear

[mighty shuttle]

So I'm figuring out how the flow goes, and if it is effective to use assail as opposed to bolt pistol, I might just ignore that blessing

[verbal thistle]

and since ragers are tied to mixed horde it fits perfectly

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense, it just dodging backwards while spamming as much needles as you can?

[tulip kettle]

yeah that works

[verbal thistle]

I dodge forwards, but yes

[tulip kettle]

otherwise, assial will stagger ragers

[verbal thistle]

spam left click

right is only for snipers

[tulip kettle]

so you can throw a dart to stagger em then bonk em

[mighty shuttle]

Got it, I'm still figuring out my tempo/flow with assail, is it a resource where I consistently want to be swapping to shoot off few needles then back to greatsword if I have down time just to carve things out as opposed to only taking it out when the situation is specifically "I want to get away from ragers"

Also for what it's worth, I'm using Force Greatsword melee psyker build.

[tulip kettle]

it depends, but generally, yes you want to "weave in" a few assail every 6 seconds or so

[mighty shuttle]

So I don't know if it's just more effective but risky to kill ragers with the weapon.

[verbal thistle]

its what fits you the best

ragers punish unprepared melee combat

[tulip kettle]

if you have the talent called "malefic momentum"

[mighty shuttle]

I do

[verbal thistle]

but if you are capable then greatsword is fine anti rager

[tulip kettle]

throwing a few assails every 5 or 6 seconds will dramatically boost the damage of your FGS

[mighty shuttle]

Makes sense, that's a nice conditional for me to keep in mind, thank you!

And valid point Dom, thank you!

[tulip kettle]

and vice versa

[mighty shuttle]

I have it because I wanted to charge up warpslice to be meaty

Also I realized I've played DT for some years, and still never asked this

What is 'Finesse damage' relative to normal damage

[verbal thistle]

Crit damage and weakspot damage

[mighty shuttle]

Interesting

[tulip kettle]

so assail and your FGS both benefit from finesse damage

[mighty shuttle]

I might have to dump deflector to get the riposte if I really want to start oneshotting crushers or maulers. as a blessing, I have cleave as given.

[tulip kettle]

you just need uncanny at 5 stacks for that, with the right tree

assuming deimos

[mighty shuttle]

Greatsword

[tulip kettle]

on FGS you need max DD and scriers and a crit

[mighty shuttle]

MK6

Makes sense

[tulip kettle]

and high peril with warp rider and unstable

its very hard to do tbh

but 2 shots are comfortable and common

[mighty shuttle]

Honestly I don't expect it to be common

But yeah, I played ogryn a lot with branx thrust and crunch talents

Because I enjoy oneshots when I had all of my bruiser stacks going

[mighty shuttle]

Though would there be an ideal lineup for anti elite bolt pistol, and by any chance is collateral itself a dump stat?

[verbal thistle]

puncture + run n gun/point blank. Collat dump yes

[weary idol]

bolt pistol will leave you disappointed for anti-elite shenanigans

about 200 damage disappointed into gunners last I recall

[mighty shuttle]

Mostly just wanting to have "Fuck off sniper across the map" or stray gunner

With assail and greatsword having good coverage into the rest

[verbal thistle]

flak/unarmored

if you find yourself shooting more specials then scab gunners

maniac/unarmored

wait

this is psyker, you might not need flak for 1 shot scab gunner

[mighty shuttle]

Got it, from DD or something else?

[verbal thistle]

warp rider, gaze, MM, DD

[weary idol]

It barely didn't one shot them before their health bonus

I think they lived on some tiny ass double digit number

After the bleed from puncture mind you

Crit one shots them though obv

[graceful arch]

Solution surgical.

[mighty shuttle]

Alas I dunno if I'll be in situation in high intensity where I'd let surgical proc up as I could just use assail at that point if I had breathing room in the first place

[verbal thistle]

base 7.5, point blank 20, gaze 20. 47.5 without need to hold ads

[mighty shuttle]

POint blank only works in close range I presume?

[verbal thistle]

crit chance after melee kill

[mighty shuttle]

Ooooh I see

[mighty shuttle]

OH one thing I forgot

I have 2 toughness and 1 wound curios, is that typical as psyker?

[verbal thistle]

wounds are a negative but a good learning tool

[mighty shuttle]

(All of refinements are toughness, tough regen, and stam regen at present)

[zealous wing]

oof

[verbal thistle]

toughness regen only affect coherency regen when not in combat

[mighty shuttle]

Aye, I just need safety because poxbursters are tough for me with psyker squishiness

[zealous wing]

corruption resistance, and hp

[mighty shuttle]

Due to my poor hearing so I'm not consistent in being able to quickly evade them all of the time.

[verbal thistle]

stam regen can be negated by taking warpghost or kinetic deflection

hp would save you more then wounds

and would help against more then poxbursters

[mighty shuttle]

I'll swap out toughness regen

I guess for HP maybe

And got it

[verbal thistle]

if you do have hearing problems there are mods for that

I met someone who was deaf in their left ear

and always got trapped

[mighty shuttle]

Aye, I've considered it! Might do so as I get deeper into it again

But it can be interesting challenge to force me to sharpen my hearing skills working around it

[royal totem]

i have a mod that lets me get around my weird brain

[mighty shuttle]

Last question I have

Greatswords are considered good against bosses if you can land the weakspot stabs yeah?

[strong gulch]

ye

FGS is good at everything.

It's not the overwhelming best option for any one particular thing, but it's good enough be used with anything.

The biggest weakness is mobility.

[mighty shuttle]

Just taking all stamina curios and refinement and sprint reduction /s

[teal ivy]

That said, what do you feel IS the best option for psyker melee? I’m gonna assume…dueling sword?

[modest perch]

nah

bfg

[strong gulch]

If you mean a melee focused build, then I'd say FGS or obscurus.

deimos too I suppose

[modest perch]

deimos horde clear too ass for melee psyker

[strong gulch]

I know some don't have issues with deimos's horde clear, so I toss it onto the pile.

I haven't used it for a melee focus build.

[teal ivy]

I use FGS anyway. I’ve tried DS but I feel the FGS just does it all as you pointed out.

I have yet to try Deimos/obscurus. I’ve messed around with them a little but FGS is a show stealer in my heart.

[zealous wing]

knife on melee /gun psyker is also tons of fun

[strong gulch]

Ye. Is fun.

I finally tried taxe. Also fun.

People kept comparing taxe to DS, but feel like it plays closer to knife.

[tulip kettle]

fun but not great, and carpal tunnel inducing

[brazen warren]

spam m1, profit

[tulip kettle]

and on psyker, the meta curios is 2 toughness 1 hp, with 3x cooldown reduction, at least 1 gunner resist, and at least 1 corruption resist. the rest are to taste, but i think 2x revive speed and 2x minor toughness is the way to go

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah. Killer on hands. Feck your hands.

[austere warren]

Highly recommend them auto-fire mods for that sort of thing if you want to play it like that maybe. Not exactly something physically sustainable. I can do it fine without issues as long as I'm not like playing really long sessions back to back with taxe or laspistol.

[verbal thistle]

only for mk4

mk 7 loves its Pa Heavy

[austere warren]

Carpal tunnel tier list.

[strong gulch]

I wish those tools weren't locked behind mods.

[eager knoll]

just parried a burster only for my arbites teammate's dog to knock it back into me

[austere warren]

Yeah. I understand why it might just be a clean oversight thing but that shit not a joke for a game like this, young or not.

[eager knoll]

(i am now dead and the mission is over)

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/missionaccomplished-emperorsnewgroove-kronk-gif-4514330

[eager knoll]

earlier today i saw an arbitrator die to his own dog

[austere warren]

Oh that's new.

[eager knoll]

same burster situation

[austere warren]

Lol

[eager knoll]

my first day playing arbitrator, my dog launched a burster i parried back into me

he was HELPING!

never played dog guy again

[austere warren]

I ping them with dog because I can use them as a remote shove

That's crazy though.

Never seen that yet lmao

[royal totem]

I DID IT

i big bonked the melee twin to death

[strong gulch]

I am glad to have access to mods, but they are not an answer. 😭

I've seen too man people frame or outright say that mods is the answer to x problem when it isn't. (To be clear, I'm not saying that @austere warren, said this.)

[royal totem]

i think like it's nice we have mods but like

[austere warren]

I think some mods are absolutely worth incorporating and polishing for no other reason than accessibility for people that just want to play the game with less barriers of entry.

[royal totem]

fatshark should've done these things to start with

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah. It was a big problem when arby first came out and more people were playing them. lmao

[frigid charm]

any good bubbleknight builds for latest patch

my old one is

bad

[verbal thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zAiF_6BjiY&t=426s

i use this one

in comments

[strong gulch]

For sure. Just that not everyone can mod or should have to in order to play the game.

That's what I mean.

[austere warren]

Mmhm. Understandable yeah.

[frigid charm]

current build

[austere warren]

I genuinely don't know enough about how accessibility features are even set up, who or what is being consulted, what's even allowed via industry "needs" from labor etc. Longer conversation surrounding entertainment media and accessibility needs.

[strong gulch]

I shouldn't need to learn how to mod, make sure I know to feck with mods every update, etc just to be able to use a laspistol. Especially when recons let the player just hold down the button / key vs press for every shot.

[royal totem]

Then it turns out it's GW that wants us suffering to be lore accurate 😏

[glacial garnet]

Yeah but laspistol is better

[strong gulch]

Bubble knight is up to date in the pinned builds.

[teal ivy]

You’re not wrong. I run taxe and knife on zealot and I’d say they are certainly comparable.

Sure, taxe deals with hordes better, but knife deals with carapace better so 🤷🏻‍♂️ pick your poison.

That said, I feel taxe has a bit of an advantage over knife in one area; stagger. You can stagger just about anything with it. At least, that’s what I’ve found.

[eager knoll]

[austere warren]

Feels like one of those things baked-in by design. Like locking certain weapons to manual semi auto kind of deal.

Lotta games got that going on now that I actually think about it.

[strong gulch]

Accessibility is generally an after thought. Even adding a toggle to have hold or press options would be a helpful.

[potent birch]

anyone knows of a build of psyker with duelist sword? thanks in advance

[strong gulch]

Builds in pins. DS (dueling sword) pairs well with aoe ranged weapons like inferno or voidblast.

[austere warren]

Are there any games recently that really focused on making those features robust and genuinely helpful?

[potent birch]

thx

[strong gulch]

Yes, but mostly indie games.

[wind spruce]

idk why i did this

(data)

[tulip kettle]

because you either; need a job, or, love your job too much

[wind spruce]

takes me back to the old days of WoW spreadsheets telling you exactly what the optimal raw damage/crit ratio was, gotta balance that shit perfectly

[wind spruce]

WRONG

I'm pushing away the bad feelings

[tulip kettle]

this just looks like a normal work day and i hate it

[wind spruce]

I quit my staring at spreadsheets job 3 years ago or so

I'm now on my feet for work a lot and get paid like 10% less but I'm a lot happier

[tulip kettle]

okay so its c: you miss your old job

[wind spruce]

Well yeah it's fun

[tulip kettle]

no shade

[verbal thistle]

am sad

[wind spruce]

But only because I now get to stop

[verbal thistle]

we wiped at mid event

[full storm]

Hey fellas, after fck loads of hours I would like to try scrier gaze, what should I keep in mind? i there like a standar build ofr it?

[tulip kettle]

i too am a spreadsheet enjoyer

[wind spruce]

I don't have to do this shit again tomorrow thank the emperor

[tulip kettle]

by "we wiped", do you mean "i ressed them and they died immediately?"

[wind spruce]

Or more to the point for like 12 hours on the bad days 😵‍💫

[verbal thistle]

both

[tulip kettle]

😄

[tulip kettle]

it gets stronger th elonger you stay in it. its more suited to melee/gun builds but can work with certain staff set ups.

a good build for scriers will likely focus on the right side of the tree a lot

[prime elk]

there's a lot of builds in the pins btw

[wind spruce]

@verbal thistle can you tell me which file to edit to get decimals on my peril meter

[verbal thistle]

mod

[wind spruce]

which

[tulip kettle]

its true peril, or numeric ui, or both

[unkempt hare]

Been trying mk IIb infantry las with scriers and I gotta say I kinda like it

[tulip kettle]

sorry yes its renamed perilgauge

[wind spruce]

ok yeah damn

[tulip kettle]

but i personally turn the gauge itself off

[verbal thistle]

same

[wind spruce]

i was trying to work out yesterday why the fuck my peril gauge element is tiny

[verbal thistle]

my hud is clean

[tulip kettle]

you play cinematic mode tbf

[full storm]

I'm checking the pins, this scrier gaze is pretty interesting

So if I want to use something like ball thrower taff and the huge sword... should I still avoid soulstealer?

[tulip kettle]

this will give you good peril counter with no bar

always visible

[wind spruce]

@tulip kettle

this is my problem rn

[verbal thistle]

activate windows

[oblique wagon]

Question, when having a force sword, can you cause bursters to fall back with just the initial part of the force push or do you have to fully go through the animation of the 2nd part.

[wind spruce]

like... get some fresh air?

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warpfire-skaven-clan-skryre-warpfire-thrower-gif-12960378359470831154

[tulip kettle]

do you have the 3 overrides on?

[tulip kettle]

have you moved something with custom HUD?

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[tulip kettle]

maybe its that. do you have numeric ui?

[wind spruce]

I tried to fix the sizing with HUDtweaker but it didnt work out

[tulip kettle]

in numeric ui try turning show peril icon off

and resetting whatever you did with hud tweaker

[strong gulch]

turn off HUD

all of it

[wind spruce]

HUDtweakers off and i changed that in numeric ui but no change

[tulip kettle]

hmmm idk then dude, for me it looks like this

try turning the gauge off

thickness length and opacity to 0

full settings

[wind spruce]

Thanks man

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1owkyhg/i_was_today_years_old_when_i_learned_u_can_throw/

Oh my

I did not know

[nimble burrow]

correct, aquila is throwing

[icy breach]

Imagine ppl not knowing basic things… but then again i’ve met a boyo who unironically did not knew a boltgun can be fired full auto

Ppl REALLY do not test stuff before they use them

[zealous wing]

i think its more, you dont expect to have to hold your ability key for anything

press button, does thing, ok move on

i even did the tutorial for arby and i didnt know

[icy breach]

All it takes is a little curiosity & time; its literally holding 1 button

[zealous wing]

granted tho i didnt use aquila long

[icy breach]

But even those are not present

[icy breach]

YIKES! I hope you fixed that

[zealous wing]

wdym

[icy breach]

You’ve put that info in the tutorial

Right?

[zealous wing]

... ?

[icy breach]

The info about the fact that you can hold & direct where you can put the nuncio?

[zealous wing]

im talking about doing the tutorial, not making one

[icy breach]

[zealous wing]

sefoni's tutorials

[icy breach]

Nvm then!

[zealous wing]

to be fair though i should have thought of testing

i run bubbleknight

i place bubbles

by holding F and aiming

[icy breach]

Guess what; you can also hold vets shout

[zealous wing]

i just never found nuncio that useful?

idk, stationary debuff, VS repositioning? felt like a losing fight for nuncio

[icy breach]

You need to see more; won’t be easy cause general community says its the worst ability; its 2nd best actualy

[icy breach]

Its a thinking mans ability; you don’t simply put it i mean you can but a thinking man will make better use of it to good effect

Aka strategy is required

And many ppl don’t even think of holding a button long enough so yeah

[potent echo]

Nuncio is very win-more

Can be clutch for bursting down bosses though

[icy breach]

Not only; 30% revive speed is clutch

So it is not purely win-more

Exec stance is for example

[potent echo]

Exe is still much worse yea

I tried to bring exe ilas to angry ogryns

Nope

[austere warren]

Exestance mentioned.

https://tenor.com/view/amen-gif-23345354

It's good.

[mighty cipher]

I have a Helllbore setup that could 2-tap crushers with it and Instakill maulers. And then rotten armor/blessing of Nurgle showed up and the whole thing fell apart.

[wispy bay]

The build is already hold by tape in the 1st place.

[mighty cipher]

It’s very fun.

Any build where I can end up with more excess damage than real damage is a good time.

[weary idol]

Is it?

[zealous wing]

i dunno if a mod for it exists already, but it'd be cool to have a mod show me how many times i've played a round with someone, even randoms

[fierce crest]

There's a mod that shows your win-loss ratio with people, haven't tried it out though.
But if you just add those together it would tell you

[plucky flax]

Sub 50% win rate with me

[royal totem]

10% with me 😛

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna do a few H40s? I have purple + stims power matrix, and randoms keep making me sad

[brazen warren]

def lower than 50%, with the number of randos crumbling to the first sign of carapace on auric

[barren field]

my life

[royal totem]

Im only good at making people more sadge

[barren field]

exe stance is great on certain conditions like darkness and vent purge cuz u can see the specials but thats abt it

i actually run it on havoc cuz it allows my team to see the 40 elite gunners and not rush to their deaths it works wonders for pubs where ppl seem to share one brain cell

[royal totem]

I will run forward anyways

[ripe obsidian]

It feels like 90% of my games just end if I go down

Or end within a few minutes

[royal totem]

Six is the glue of the team

[tulip kettle]

stims make me sad.

[ripe obsidian]

Stims are mostly better than rot

[tulip kettle]

disagree

[strong gulch]

I think the thing that fecks me up with stimms is it's gambling jumpscares.

[tulip kettle]

rot fun and make dmg numbers go brrrr

[barren field]

I go in a game with a level 60 dude, guy leaves me netted in a fire to die and complains we are worthless, I give him the 1 med station says he prefers I dont die (unranked dude btw) then goes and dies and alt f4s

[tulip kettle]

stim = youre doing well? heres 3 blue ragers, fuck you.

[strong gulch]

1 beefed up regular blue dude

[barren field]

blue stim scab rager with garden on top

have fun

[tulip kettle]

rot + garden is my favourite modifier combo

[barren field]

fun gameplay not artificial difficulty dw about it xd

[ripe obsidian]

I had a game last night where I got grabbed by a chaos spawn with ~2000 HP. Team ran away to fight a horde. Soulblaze would've killed if it wasn't healing chewing on me. Then it tossed me into maulers and I died before I hit the ground. Team died to the horde.

[strong gulch]

I will respect a rager as a default at least.

One random dooder, I will not.

[tulip kettle]

truly the filter of pubs, plus makes funny dmg numbers go brrr

[strong gulch]

then die

[barren field]

reminds me of that game where we got 3 captains and boss I taunted 2 captains boss and horde and run away with ogryn

my entire team wiped to 1 captain

[ripe obsidian]

@plucky flax

[barren field]

and complained that im not helping and playing alone

[tulip kettle]

it was shield bug bro

[verbal thistle]

A friend and I think we figured out why captain bug happens

[tulip kettle]

oh?

[verbal thistle]

We're still testing though

[tulip kettle]

i know my mod reports it as long fall. i have also seen a place on refinery delta where the same thing seems to happen semi frequently, without a captain present

[verbal thistle]

Long story short. It's fall damage

[tulip kettle]

yeah game thinks you fell a long distance... something to do with acceleration?

[plucky flax]

Not me i never die

[tulip kettle]

jamie, pull up the footage

[verbal thistle]

We think that the captain knockback is triggering a player location sync. And if the player had previously been either teleported (bell skip on twins map) or insta killed (ledged, havoc overhead). It will sync to where they got killed and they take the fall damage

It sounds very plausible

Idk if I worded it right

[tulip kettle]

yeah i undersstand what youre saying

[verbal thistle]

It's similar to how the game can't sync players that were insta deleted

[wind spruce]

Sounded smort

[verbal thistle]

Ie insta kills

[tulip kettle]

it compares their new location after the knockback to the location they were at when they got insta'd

and if its far they just die

[verbal thistle]

And when they interact with captain knockback it will sync players location and kill them with fall damage

That's why it only happens often in twins map or havoc

Bell skip and havoc 1 shots

[tulip kettle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[verbal thistle]

We're still pulling samples from our videos

And testing

But it's 100% accurate so far

[barren field]

look bois i know that it looks bad but trust me its for ur own good (cliffs himself)

[strong gulch]

Six's plan.

[tulip kettle]

so, i have seen the same "long fall" interaction on refinery delta at a certain spot a few times now

[ripe obsidian]

It was a good plan until I panicked at the daemonhost

[tulip kettle]

after the lift at the mid event, there is a little sand pile with some boxes next to the door

[strong gulch]

Valid panic

[barren field]

I have a bad habit of running up to daemonhosts with vet and shanking them

[tulip kettle]

so maybe there is a sync point there or something

[barren field]

just to make everyone on aurics sh*t themselves

then I commit eternal krak

[tulip kettle]

i mean, with normal demonhosts, i actually dont care

if you wanna wake it up, go ahead

but i wont be getting corrupted for you

[barren field]

bro fr if I was playing maelstrom pubs and my vet run up to pinged demonhost and shankd him id lose my mind

[tulip kettle]

sprinkle some krak on him

[quartz barn]

If dh arent in their green alerted mode i just shoot them a bit

[barren field]

downside is yeah u get 30% corruption but I call worth

[tulip kettle]

i have rot stimms silo. pray for me.

[quartz barn]

Brings some attention to it + if pubs somehow aggro it afterwards i dont have to care about the dh anymore

[strong gulch]

It just occurred to me that some people's first character is arby.

[barren field]

I dont mind rotten THAT much just makes the game 10 times longer

[tulip kettle]

rot is fine and fun

my fave modifier

with stimms?

fuck off

[barren field]

oh yes

[tulip kettle]

on silo?

fuck ALL THE WAY off

[strong gulch]

IDK how this is the first time that I've thought this.

[quartz barn]

This used to be cursed but literally any hourglass map is worse imo

[barren field]

i didnt see the stimms part

hahahahaah

[tulip kettle]

excise and refinery are great

[quartz barn]

Actually i dont think ive gotten a excise clear in a very long time

Refinery is fine

[tulip kettle]

refinery has a relatively high clear rate, its just the last event can be tricky if team arent well coordinated

[barren field]

as a vet main when I see rotten armour I just go special and ranged sniper and put my faith in the randoms

[tulip kettle]

(or if you have healing captain and spawn and team already dead for the fourth time 😭 )

[quartz barn]

Excise just has a lot of points where the team can fall apart

[tulip kettle]

double boss drop down

[quartz barn]

Afaik its like 9 spots where you just have to clear a ton of enemies

[tulip kettle]

but you have krak grenades

rot armour is literally vet paradise. keeping up with psyker dmg numbers mode

lethal prox bistol + tinkered krak goes brrrrr

playing rot with a good vet makes me sad, they steal all the armour kills 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

It is true

Playing with randoms has been disheartening me.

[tulip kettle]

ill play with you six ❤️

[strong gulch]

I can do a game.

[tulip kettle]

i have 1 slot left 🙂

[strong gulch]

gotta shut down my wax stove

[tulip kettle]

we do a lil housefire

[graceful arch]

It's insane how much you can inflate your numbers on psyker if you have incompetent teamates.

[barren field]

ill be free after this

[wind spruce]

And on ogryn

And vet, zealot and arby

[graceful arch]

It's a lot easier on psyker

[barren field]

shredder is calling

[strong gulch]

Thanks Dom. Was fun. Except that weird oggy.

[tulip kettle]

haha yeah no worries, ty 🙂

[wraith sphinx]

Depends on the situation tbh. Ogryn can struggle a lot if the rest of the team wipes due to ignoring shooters and snipers

zealot is the class I usually struggle with the most due to morons wasting ammo on trashmobs I'm trying to kill or psykers traumablasting at my feet starving me of toughness replenishment

with the rest of the classes it's much easier imo, tho unpredictable situations still happen

[wind spruce]

Always trauma on the zealot, don't want him to get hurt!!

[wraith sphinx]

Make sure the zealot sees nothing but white from the trauma explosions so they become blind to the evils of this world

[wind spruce]

I will spare thee from sighting the horror of sin 🫡

Goddamn, I've been stanning the FGS for so long I forgot how good a force sword that attacks as fast as obscurus does is

Not to mention actual mobility and uncanny

[rigid sky]

40k version of peril sensitive sunglasses

[icy breach]

Or deflate cause you just die cause they did too

[tulip kettle]

god emperor, why have you forsaken me?

[marble crater]

Hardest battles to the strongest warriors or something like that

Who did you get the screenshot from?

[icy breach]

Well… have fun with that (its easier than the one i tackled but still nasty)

[tulip kettle]

stims

so i disagree

stims + gas = invincible enemies

100% DR fair and balanced

[icy breach]

If you CC them it will be fine

[tulip kettle]

unstaggerable

[marble crater]

Smite?!

[tulip kettle]

interesting

[icy breach]

Nah; abilities

Book, shout, btl, charge, taunt

You name it

[tulip kettle]

just stagger the blue ragers until the end of the map 🤓

[marble crater]

Why, you just named them already

[icy breach]

Blue stimm is designed to be staggerable by these abilities

They directly counter it

[tulip kettle]

yeah except you still cant kill em

so the ability ends and what then?

[icy breach]

Even dog does cause it can pounce & keep them held

[tulip kettle]

dog sits on rager for next 50 minutes

then another one comes

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[icy breach]

You kill the rest; its easier to maintain 1 - 3 enemies than a whole crowd

[tulip kettle]

👍

[icy breach]

But srsly; you get stimms you get staggerable abilities in your team; btl is like best cause short cooldown & fast aplication

[tulip kettle]

yes sure

but stims + gas makes them literally 100% DR and unkillable

so i wont be playing it.

[icy breach]

What about brittleness?

[tulip kettle]

does nothing

they have 100% DR

[icy breach]

Still would like to try it
See it & experience it

[tulip kettle]

i have before and is why i wont play it again

stimms are already bad design, making them 100% DR is just braindead stupid

[wraith sphinx]

The emperor protects... not you, though.

[modest perch]

u rly dont

[icy breach]

The only oof one is blue tbh; not even green cause that one loses its buffs the moment you deplete the HP it gave to an enemy
Rest don’t matter but then again; there was a reason final toll was not liked; taking out one of the main mechanics in the game which is stagger does not make the game harder; it makes it bs

[tulip kettle]

yes but blue enemies are game ending

[deft stump]

On the same lvl as DoTs on Final Toll if unprepared.

[tulip kettle]

kind of, but not really the same

at least on toll + garden the enemies could actually die

blue stimms + gas means the enemies literally cant take damage

[modest perch]

stuff like that also forces shitty boring metas like confident strike club

[deft stump]

But sped up crushers+300 ping.

[icy breach]

Karien thats just you & you know it

Our beloved 300 pinger

Panic Aura Bot

[deft stump]

Look, dog is the competent one, you know that.

[icy breach]

But…
Dog stands for D…
And D stands for Dogshit…

[glacial garnet]

Clearly this needs purple enemies

[deft stump]

Tell that to my lil sis' dog. Dumb thing poops everywhere.

[sturdy dagger]

Have they given any love to the electro staff yet

i miss popping people during the golden bugged era it had

[glacial garnet]

Dont think so

[acoustic jacinth]

I don't believe there have been any changes

[sturdy dagger]

im fine with off meta but that thing is barely even usable atp man

[acoustic jacinth]

Though i don't feel the need for them either. Maybe it's because i haven't tried it in that era

It is?

[sturdy dagger]

idk what difficulty u play on but last time i used that thing it was fucking dire man

[marble crater]

EK is my favorite staff

[deft stump]

It needs a buff with all the hp increases tbh.

[acoustic jacinth]

Auric maels and havocs pretty much

Though admittedly more auric maels

I dont like stims

And havoc loves stims

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah it did not match up to those admittedly

Though i feel with psyker getting stronger overall

Eh

With good shriek management it's fine

Though that is assuming "the build" for shriek

[deft stump]

Honestly, STRIKE really needs one.

[acoustic jacinth]

Voidstrike

Now that i can agree on

Not ek though

Not by much, at least

[deft stump]

INF ranged cleave didn't even make it usable lul.

[sturdy dagger]

i havent used strike in forever but when i did that thing seemed broken tf happened?

i was just oneshotting anything on my screen with a half assed build

[deft stump]

Got beaten till near useless.

[sturdy dagger]

being an inferno chud has its perks it seems

[acoustic jacinth]

People overestimate the difference too usually

[deft stump]

More so now with all the hp increases.

[acoustic jacinth]

Voidblast especially, but ek as well still hold up in havoc

Though admittedly inferno and vb have it better

[deft stump]

Strike is, 1-10 okay. Lul after.

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah strike is out of the convo sadly

I'd like a cool lazer beam staff

[wraith sphinx]

1-10 as in havoc levels?

[deft stump]

Yes. Anything goes there. After, Strike starts to get worser till unusable.

[wraith sphinx]

anything goes all the way up to and including 20

havoc doesn't become a real loadout and skill check until 21

[deft stump]

Eh, with the hp increase that stacks... Some already feel bleah when you hit heresy.

[wraith sphinx]

I've never had problems with that

[deft stump]

Compounds with it being the slowest charge staff and low payout for peril and time cost... Yeah.

[wraith sphinx]

tbf it doesn't need a lot of charge at all to delete trashmob hordes so

I will say that voidstrike builds that aren't the can-buster feel underwhelming

[deft stump]

When the trash mobs are piles of crushers, lul.

[wraith sphinx]

then they aren't trash mobs

[deft stump]

Rotten... Just...

[acoustic jacinth]

My beloved says that's not a very nice thing to call them

[wraith sphinx]

trash mobs are groaners poxwalkers and bruisers

[deft stump]

I know. But the joke is... With rotten... There's just so many armoured, they are now the trash mob to bosses.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I get it

[glacial garnet]

Havoc trash mob is an unbuffed mauler

[wraith sphinx]

I hate rotten armor, modifiers that just throw waves of super tanky enemies at you aren't fun

[mossy elbow]

i’m ngl how do you maintain 15 stacks of disrupt destiny or more for 30 minutes

[dusk timber]

Kill

[mossy elbow]

i got the 25 stacks thingy but i’m p sure getting to 15 is the issue so is it safer to take the 10 second thing

[mossy elbow]

wat!

oh sorry i’m just dumb i didnt even have the weak spot kill thingy on

bruh

[acoustic jacinth]

You need the 2 stacks per weakspot kill modifier if you take 25

Yeah

Also nice pfp lol

I know that guy

[mossy elbow]

ty it’s christmas season

[acoustic jacinth]

Gonna sing us a song?

[mossy elbow]

I wouldn’t dare try to be him

[mossy elbow]

so take 25 and not increase to 10 seconds would you say

[dusk timber]

25 is prob better

Since it gives you more breathing room before you go under 15

[acoustic jacinth]

10 seconds is when you can't afford both subnodes of 25 and weakspot kills giving 2

Otherwise, yes

Take it

[merry meteor]

Is it true that soulblaze can crit on each tick? Is it calculated for every mob you ignited individually? Are those crits triggering talents like Mettle or Empathic Evasion?

[marble crater]

Soulblaze can't crit

Inferno staff can crit and apply 2 stacks instead of 1 though

[tulip kettle]

the application from inferno crits and applies 2 stacks which procs mettle and PT or EE

critmaxxing on inferno is meta for 2 reasons - faster reaching max stacks, and more EE procs

[mossy elbow]

anyone know good ledging spots

[long saddle]

rolling steel has a lot

[acoustic jacinth]

Clandestium Gloriana is hell too

Everyone is likely to get ledged

Had a nade box ogryn end the run in record time, extra barrels maelstrom

[merry meteor]

@marble crater @tulip kettle
I thought my messages came through, but apparently they didn't (network issues)
Thank you, noted. It's not about Inferno staff though, I was wondering in the context of trauma staff / Shriek + Creeping Flames combo, that's the build I run with

Kinda hoped that if soulblaze can crit, I could have close to permanent range attack evasion lol

[mossy elbow]

nvm did it in middle of chasm logistratum

very good bridge after the wierd train area

[mossy elbow]

ty i was gonna try that but somehow managed to do it

[marble crater]

Unfortunately not

[dusk timber]

fortunately*

[merry meteor]

Can smite crit btw?

[plucky flax]

Excise vault rot purple.

Looking to farm 5mil damage.

Did 2.6m in 15 mins then died and we lost

[zealous wing]

no

[young cliff]

The world is not ready for crit-smite

[glacial garnet]

SMITE IS NOT REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[young cliff]

It's real and one of the cardinal sins

[merry meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHg6tov0vDc
Has something changed since this video was recorded? I'm checking right now in the simulation, and I don't see Shriek applying Soulblaze to the mobs right behind my back

In the video it looks like it hits mobs behind you, though at a shorter range, compared to those in front of you

[random quiver]

You can use the 5 weakspot talent to get a crit

[patent steeple]

smite cannot crit iirc

[zealous wing]

even if that did work, it needs to be a) weakspot hits, and b) a ranged attack, for a single crit. if smite WAS considered ranged, it would be a single tick of dmg that would crit, and the rest of it would not, because smite doesnt target weakpoints.

[patent steeple]

but does assail count as ranged all the way, or just for stuff like true aim and crits in general to work...?

[zealous wing]

assail is ranged

smite is not

specifically assail is warp ranged

[patent steeple]

so just like non-inferno staff left click projectile?

[random quiver]

I was using it more to proc the crit counts as dodging, not for damage

[zealous wing]

doesnt matter if its dmg or not, it doesnt crit it doesnt crit

[patent steeple]

hang on... could he mean the zap staff right click, and not actually smite?

[zealous wing]

maybe, but, smite is smite, i dont get the confusion tbh

[random quiver]

Empathic Evasion procs while combined with the talent that 5 weakspots guarante a ranged crit

[patent steeple]

neither do I, but some people tend to refer to something with a completely different name compared to what that something is actually called in the game... (this is not purely a darktide thing)

[glacial garnet]

can force sword push sttack crit

[royal totem]

game crasher while i was standing in morninstar ._. how solve this

[zealous wing]

not sure, but i know normal attacks do, and you can usually attack faster than a PA

[patent steeple]

the bigger push? I don't think so, but could be wrong (but my chances of being wrong about that are at least kinda low-ish, because if it never procs crit effects, it doesn't crit, and I have never seen the bigger push proc crit effects iirc...)

[glacial garnet]

just tested it, doesnt look like it, cose im thinking, which blessing apart from uncanny strike and perks should i use for if im going to use it for inferno staff support

[icy breach]

Smite is not ranged? Wha

It is

Should be

[patent steeple]

if using bubble, Riposte or Superiority would be good to pair with uncanny.

if not using bubble, maybe consider deflector with Kinetic Deflection talent to block with your Peril instead of Stam, but riposte is good too even without a ranged enemy spam countermeasure imo.

[zealous wing]

uncanny to stack while things are on fire to obliterate carapace

thats really it

[patent steeple]

if I understood it right, they are asking about what blessing to pair with uncanny.

[glacial garnet]

mf we get two blessing slots

uncanny and what im asking

bruh

[zealous wing]

depends on what ever you want

i use deflector, because im usually in the front line

[patent steeple]

this advice of mine might be a decent place to start: #psyker-class message

[glacial garnet]

yes i saw thank you

[patent steeple]

yeah, at least if you are using Warp Charges (left side keystone), you kinda don't need deflector on the force sword. you can just put down the dome/bubble/whatever shield ult somewhere ahead of you (near the ranged enemies, preferably) and start inferno-ing or melee-ing (depending on the distance between the bubble and the ranged enemies).

[acoustic jacinth]

I use deimos force sword on my havoc inferno build, i stick to unstable power for secondary blessing tbh. It's just free damage for playing well (edging high peril) But as hexis was saying deflector is a very solid pick as well

80% of the time i'm using it for crushers and mutants so eh, it tends to one tap most with unstable

[patent steeple]

oh yeah, I would have recommended unstable power as well, but didn't remember its existence on anything beyond the Greatsword...

[acoustic jacinth]

Lol that's fair

I only remember cause it's all i ever use

My funny brain could never play magic man class without magic swords and magic stuff

Because if no magic why play magic class?

[royal totem]

EXACTLY

[hearty wolf]

You prefer a comfortable lie to the painful truths I see

[fierce crest]

It's all magic here

[candid temple]

magic is just advanced science

https://tenor.com/view/magnus-did-nothing-wrong-40k-gif-23218934

[acoustic jacinth]

pfft, begone, firebaaalll

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-gandalf-walking-gif-23043290

[glacial garnet]

aight, just tried an auric with the fs inferno build, me likey

i've been sleeping on fs a lot

[patent steeple]

if only I could get some use from uncanny-stacking with that setup...

carapace tends to die to some bolter-wielding zealot before I get enough stacks onto at least one crusher...

[fresh reef]

has anyone tried heavy sword on psyker recently?

wondering if I should finally use the thing

[candid temple]

How are you going to kill carapace?

Carapace that is infesting auric mael/high havoc heavily

reduce carapace, pls

[fresh reef]

rending trauma maybe?

very potent with scrier's

[weary idol]

not a good idea

[long saddle]

I've only run heavy sword on zealot

[weary idol]

psyker doesn't have the "delete carapace" buttons that veteran/zealot do

[long saddle]

with bolter as backup

[weary idol]

Zealot can just press fury of the faithful

and hey wow 100% rending the crusher is fucking dead

vet has kraks and the helbore

[candid temple]

or pissword

[weary idol]

we're talking about heavy sword

[long saddle]

nah it still bounces

[candid temple]

ye, but why would you use heavy sword on vet, who has psword access (unless you hate the combo tech / unwilling to use skitarius, then fair).

[weary idol]

because psword wants attack speed

hsword doesn't

[tired estuary]

psword boring

[weary idol]

and I am investing into my helbore lasgun

[long saddle]

heavy sword has one of the most fun heavy spam

it slices so nice

[fresh reef]

skitarius?

[candid temple]

Helbore feels so weird to shoot for me, charge up messes me up

[long saddle]

there's a mod that auto-charges

[candid temple]

mod that lets you macro combos

[candid temple]

oh wait, can skitarius do that too?

[long saddle]

it charges on ADS

no idea

[candid temple]

I'll have to see

[long saddle]

I only use auto attack keybinds, I don't want to have everything handed to me

only want to save my fingers from clicking too much

[candid temple]

valid opinion

I hate fiddly attack mechanics, so I'd just not play those classes/weapons without the mod

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/H7vl0Et

obviously not great into carapace

still

Fury helps a lot

[acoustic jacinth]

fury, martyrdom make a lot of stuff work, and that's just what i like about zealot

mk3 evisc zealot with perfect strike is a match made in heaven with piety

[weary idol]

I don't like zealot because they are 100% completely incapable of making a ranged focused build

and I like SHOOTIN'

[acoustic jacinth]

of course you do

playing laspistol mkx because it looks better on my kriegsman lol

been a while

i'll prolly run WS, dum dum infernus on that thing

vet gets enough crit uptime as is anyways

[weary idol]

oh wait yeah speaking of build for that clip

sord

[long saddle]

ye you eventually get there ofc, but I usually run IJ and swap to full auto bolter

[acoustic jacinth]

almost copy pasta of what i go with however i choose bottom left for prime target, and i skip out on unfaltering if i have twbs

sword is also the same

[weary idol]

Look if I'm going to be playing the least interesting class in the game

[acoustic jacinth]

i think most people would not stray from deathhblow and headtaker, for good reason

[weary idol]

I'm going to be using their one and only interesting keystone

Not one of the two "do more damage by dealing damage" ones

[long saddle]

I just don't go martyrdom on all weaps, mostly the heavy stuff

[acoustic jacinth]

get this

you DODGE

and your keystone works

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

the other one

requires you to hit stuff

it's fucking insane

[weary idol]

I think I'll take playing the whole mission on 40 hp actually

that sounds more fun

[acoustic jacinth]

tr00

[long saddle]

the martyrdom changes were so nice tbh

you still run all wounds, but now you can get max stacks at 25% hp

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah it certainly got easier

[long saddle]

which is what you get back from death

[acoustic jacinth]

i grab 2 wounds and 1 toughness, like most rn i believe

[analog verge]

ye no reason to really run 3 wounds anymore

[long saddle]

well beside the reason I just said

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah higher hp

i haven't tried enough of it to say but

if i'm low hp i'm low hp anyways

the local unpushed poxburster is poxbursting me so

[analog verge]

simply never break toughness

[acoustic jacinth]

might as well toughness

yeah

[weary idol]

I would FoTF

true invincibility moment

[acoustic jacinth]

yes

pretty much

2 in 1 damage button or oh shit button

usually both

speed bonus dont get praised enough either

it's pretty insane with marty or IJ

relic blade swinging at mach 40

tac axe can't be seen on screen anymore

[fresh reef]

this build was pretty fun on maelstrom but I have no idea if I can make it work into havoc

[acoustic jacinth]

EK and combat blade? absolutely, no reason not to

shriek?

[fresh reef]

scrier's

[acoustic jacinth]

ah

hm

[fresh reef]

it seems to shred armor pretty well with the mk6 PA

assail for bigger hordes

[acoustic jacinth]

while scrier is admittedly very good with mk6 you'd have to go meleeker then

taking DD?

[fresh reef]

of course

[acoustic jacinth]

noice

how come ek then?

[fresh reef]

also, dump stat on EK is crit yeah?

[acoustic jacinth]

nope

warp res

[fresh reef]

what

wrong message

but what

[acoustic jacinth]

LMAO

[fresh reef]

it has the highest cost in the game

why the hell would you dump warp res?

when crit bonus is such a miniscule stat change

[acoustic jacinth]

because anything else damages its already gambling damage

and you can manage the peril gen

i'm surprised you're taking it in the first place in a meleeker build tbh

but if you like it i guess

it can work for M1 EK build

since you already got finesse from both SG and DD

[fresh reef]

mainly using it as a DD snatcher due to the low aim requirement

continuously chaining speed is fun

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah, if you take this into havoc though you'll have to commit to a proper EK M1 build, there is one in the pinned guides that is H40 ready

the knife will still be VERY good

[fresh reef]

this is probably also a suboptimal choice, but I imagine it'll work very well for a melee build into havoc ranged

[acoustic jacinth]

just not gravitated towards it as a whole

[fresh reef]

and here's tree

[acoustic jacinth]

warp nexus + surge is better suited

i speak from personal pain

believe me on this

[fresh reef]

fair

[acoustic jacinth]

if you don't go full staff psyker for m2 EK

it's real tough man

if you're set on m2 ek

become shriek warp siphon meta staff psyker

if u wanna have fun with M1 EK and knife

you're fine, but gotta change up the staff

[fresh reef]

surge nexus it is

[acoustic jacinth]

you'll see how strong it is trust

[fresh reef]

machinegun staff is just as fun for me anyhow

[acoustic jacinth]

ok thats good

i could never

i like m2 too much sadly

it's like coke

just pop into psykhanium

you'll see how strong surge M1 is with SG and DD

[fresh reef]

wait wtf why didn't I pick precog

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184664326712332342/1389322809037160448/attachment-3-1.gif

also the drip goes fairly hard

[weary idol]

hard like a graphite pencil

[fresh reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883839698970243072/1259207679537057812/togif-5-1.gif

[acoustic jacinth]

btw a few recommendations my eyes just caught. I'd change the build further but then again i don't want to change what you like playing with so it's just minimal stuff that will help a lot

losing reality anchor in this build is not as bad as it might seem

your entire existence is weakspot kills

you'll be farming SG stacks quickly and will be all the better DPS for it

also, as long as you have at least PC, souldrinker is amazing

you have so much passive toughness gen in this build

[cosmic sigil]

I'd rather have quietude

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah if i go off making changes again, i would

but i don't want to steer away from what they already have

seem to be content with their build so

🤷‍♂️

[fresh reef]

I took it by accident lol

good catch on the m1/m2 node though, not as good if I'm not using m2 much

[acoustic jacinth]

yeah again like

EK is practically my life on psyker and man

you gotta be very serious for m2 to really work

[fresh reef]

I've been an EK enthusiast since launch

except early trauma

[acoustic jacinth]

it's very fun and feedback-y

[fresh reef]

before they buffed it's peril gen

give me back 40% per cast, fat shark

it'd actually be a suitable nerf to one of the strongest ranged weapons in the game

[dense geyser]

bros ive been playing havoc nonstop for like 2 days and i have no diamantine, which missions give squares?

[dusk wren]

every mission does

[weary idol]

havoc missions have neither diamantine or plasteel on them

[acoustic jacinth]

My m2 build btw, if you ever feel inclined. The -10% peril gen node is my sweet spot, you can drop it and grab empyric resolve for safer peril management

[weary idol]

instead giving you a large bundle of each based on your highest completed mission every week

[dense geyser]

ah ok that makes sense

ah i havent played for a week yet that makes sense

[graceful arch]

yummy

[plucky flax]

Ez skip

I love lights out. Gas and ventilation purge are poop.

[dense geyser]

gas feels ok on some maps

is assail broken good or am i getting carried, feels like with the rending talent and uncany strike it just kills everything

[plucky flax]

Gas is really tough in havoc cos no additional green stims spawn.

In auric it's whatever.

[fresh reef]

Vomit

[graceful arch]

the actual gas isn't that bad when you don't have fucking immortal poxwalkers

[fresh reef]

The thing that makes pox gas aids is the fact they also decide to spam 5+ tox bombers at the same time

[zealous wing]

assail is good, but thats with ranged damage boost (optional), increased cleave, warp rider (increased damage as peril goes up)

[summer prairie]

There's pox gas with and without bomber spam.

[weary idol]

and also tox bombers en masse

THE most disruptive specialist in the game

[wraith sphinx]

I was gonna ask wouldn't those be the flamers but if the team lets tox bombers do their thing unimpeded it just makes everyone else even more effective at game ending you

[zealous wing]

and bombers dont need LoS

[weary idol]

or if the tox bomber decides that 50 fucking meters of maximum range and bouncing bombs is actually cool and fair

and just throws them from so far away that their audio doesn't even play

because they are the only specialist in the game whose audio gets quieter over distance

[wraith sphinx]

Grenades bring Nurgle's kiss :3

[dense geyser]

yeah with skriers its default 100% cleave (13 kills per shard) and 20% rend, its more fun to me than dome shield, defy destiny also just makes you zoom and have infite toughnes

[zealous wing]

scriers doesnt give cleave though

[analog verge]

the cleave is from warp splitting

[wind spruce]

You get 1 extra cleave with piercing shards and 2 from Warp splitting, that's it

[analog verge]

since scriers keeps you high

[strong gulch]

You need warp splitting, ethereal shards, EP, and a blue stimm to get to 13 targets for assail.

[ripe obsidian]

Does this account for increased Havoc hitmass as well? Or are we not talking Havoc?

[strong gulch]

Non havoc assumed. IDk about the hit mas changes.

[mighty cipher]

The havoc changes are NUTS. At some point lesser enemy hitmass can go from 1 to 3

[zealous wing]

ye sometimes assail goes no where

[strong gulch]

I mean how hit mass changes assail targets.

[limpid lily]

what the heck does blue stimm even do for psyker btw? I know it does sth extra for them but never checked

[mighty cipher]

Wouldn’t it be Quell speed and projectile recharge time?

[summer prairie]

assail treats all enemies as 1 hitmass

that's why the guide talks about targets only

[limpid lily]

from his comment I would think it increases cleave power or sth lol

the blue stimm i mean

[barren field]

I met a guy in dt named potato man just now btw @strong gulch thought it was funny

[strong gulch]

It also reduces the time of charging actions. So staves and charge blitz are affacted.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

[barren field]

we dont talk about blue stimm here this is a safe place

[strong gulch]

Apparently assail treats enemies as 1 hitmass. Syllo popping in for the win.

[wraith sphinx]

Forsooth?