but if you get a group that never advance, train is a kinda shit mission
#psyker-class
royal totem
zealous wing
thats because bubble cooldown is long as fuck, and warp siphon is great for bring it back faster
wind spruce
im glad i hadnt read that part of your guide or i wouldnt have tested it xD
zealous wing
cuz if i do, i lose my damage stacks
kill more elites?
4 elite kills brings it back
hazy birch
,,,
yeah. sure thing.
3 other people on the team thirsting for elite kills bro
ijs i cant just bring it back like that. why i like DD so much
lots of opportunities to build stacks
wind spruce
i refuse to run siphon unless theres an inferno psyker on the team
hazy birch
with a flamer staff i dont really have that snipe potential
and i dont like using BB raw.
wind spruce
being able to use get in fire reborn value from your sibs is 
zealous wing
then use this i guess if youre not getting kills, or in fire reborn if you use fire
wind spruce
vamp if no blaze psyker, IFR if blaze psyker present
brazen warren
raw BB is so slow
hazy birch
but i am the blaze psyker
wind spruce
same with how every psyker build should have souldrinker if theres a blaze psyker on the team
zealous wing
but i am the blaze psyker
then switch to in fire reborn immediately 
ripe obsidian
@wind spruce fixed
wind spruce
<@319370581185265676> fixed
IM IN THE GUIDE WITH MORE THAN JUST A HALF BAKED BUILD WOOO
zealous wing
inferno bubble is mainly for havoc anyway, so you COULD try it with shriek instead
auric it can also be useful, but, often less required
havoc is, too much random bullshit, auric is more predictable bullshit
hazy birch
does seers affect flayer?
wind spruce
does seers affect flayer?
no
hazy birch
presence it is
wind spruce
presence it is
prescience*
hazy birch
prescience*
wind spruce
hilarious that there's two with presence and one that's just presence with a seeing eye
zealous wing
regeneneration
zealous wing
cooldown regen specifically applies to ability cooldown
ie, bubble, in this case
KF will always be a 12s timer, unless they specifically change it again
polar flower
Does Brainburst count as a weak spot attack/kill
jovial juniper
Yup
tulip kettle
classic first room fail
oh look, my team is incapable of doing anything at all type stuff
between them they killed 5 whole crushers
ripe obsidian
the zealot and arby immediately quit and started their own lobby after the loss
as if they weren't the problem
tulip kettle
"no bubble noob psyker"
royal totem
What map was this?
ripe obsidian
my most hated one
ripe obsidian
yes
royal totem
Ah. Was just curious
brazen warren
when you get yeeted into the abyss by knock back, deaths you could do little about
silent pox bursters get me like that mostly
tulip kettle
yeah what happened was
there were gunners over the bridge
someone aggroed them early
then got swiss cheesed
that about cover it?
tulip kettle
oh i can see that you did
ripe obsidian
the zealot got overheaded
tulip kettle
did you make it through the doors at least?
ripe obsidian
ogryn did his best, but got overwhelmed after I got headbutted
Yeah, made it through the doors
then got bullied back through them by a pogryn and a wall of rot
ripe obsidian
I was alone
tulip kettle
oh im not blaming you homie
i do also feel that once you are through those doors
99% of the time its a mistake to go back through them
boss will spawn, fight it in the square around the corner from the long gunner alley to med
but if they already died before that point its hopeless
ripe obsidian
yeah, just an unfortunate mission
tulip kettle
the worst bit about the start of ascension is gunner seed on the bridge and twins spawn in front of the doors
royal totem
Once i got yeeted off that bridge
hazy birch
@tulip kettle what u got against my build?
zealous wing
puppet master is probably one of the aspects
wind spruce
puppet master is probably one of the aspects
probably the second most underrated talent in the whole tree
plucky flax
hazy birch
puppet master is probably one of the aspects
whats wrong with puppet master?
ive got several nodes that work off people being in coherency
and i dont really need more quell speed
wind spruce
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
underrated doesnt mean you take it, especially on H40
zealous wing
its generally just, not much of a boost, if someones not in your default coherency, its unlikely they'd be in the slightly expanded one either, quell speed is the more useful one of the two
its what, an extra 3 meters?
3.5?
hazy birch
75% shouldnt be "slightly larger"
hazy birch
like if its 100 feet, thats an additional 75 feet
zealous wing
but its not 100 feet
zealous wing
i cant remember if its like, 15m or 10m,
the guide probably has the radius in it somewhere
if its 15, the 75% is like, 11, bringing it to 26, but if its 10, thats 17,. lets be generous. if a teammate isnt within 15 meters of you, regularly enough to be noticed, how likely is it they're within 26m
vs, quell faster, fire more
more damage, generally more killing, vs a chance someones within that sweet spot between default coherency and out of the expanded one
cosmic cobalt
chain weapons no longer S tier on psyker <:angymorrow:1062670568916267038>
yeah been that way since charged strike nerf
it was hella funny
zealous wing
in concept its good, but, in practice its more complicated, short answer, not worth it in huge majority of cases
wind spruce
yeah been that way since charged strike nerf
RIP
zealous wing
in havoc for example, if youre spread out enough for coherency to break, youre probably all dead anyway
wind spruce
but i was being sarcastic about the strength of chain weapons and just showing that kills with the tear damage dont proc DD
hazy birch
well if it's 15 it goes up to like 26
IDK it just seems like if you're relying on team procs it should be a good idea to increase the odds of them proccing if possible
yea idk about havoc 40
zealous wing
even 25 is that brutal
hazy birch
I'm not even aiming for that
zealous wing
auric can be that bad too
wind spruce
quell speed doesnt even do anything depending on maths and if you're peril edging
brazen warren
so the electric power attack talent was actually good for a bit on chain weapons due to it procing multiple times per power attack at some point? neat
hazy birch
but I know the range for coherency is pretty short. like if it was naturally the size of the psykanium arena I wouldn't even consider it
wind spruce
because of how the ticks work getting a few extra peril down from solidity wont save you time or get you an extra cast since the amount of casts you want between quelling is exactly 1
brazen warren
consistency in coherency procs or consistency in moment to moment manual peril control
zealous wing
the tutorial is really the only place the game gives you a visual indicator of coherency, and its so short of a timeframe
cosmic cobalt
so the electric power attack talent was actually good for a bit on chain weapons...
no it was because ep was working on charged strike
wind spruce
and chain sword go brrrrrrrcleavebrrrrrrr
cosmic cobalt
this work for all melee but csword just happen to be the best one because moveset
brazen warren
oh, so it was inheriting the ep smite bonuses assuming
hazy birch
because of how the ticks work getting a few extra peril down from solidity wont ...
my thought on it is that i already quell fast enough. im usually just tapping it to squeeze a little out to get back to doing damage again
brazen warren
does charged strike even count as the electrified debuff yet or is it still its own special electric dot off on its own
hazy birch
if they had a set of nodes that incentivized doing more damage at low peril, i could see the quell speed being super important
wind spruce
my thought on it is that i already quell fast enough. im usually just tapping it...
Depends on the build and peril resistance but yeah, exactly
hazy birch
i saw that
zealous wing
basic search shows someone saying coherency is 10m, not 15
hazy birch
but yea it likely wouldnt in a meaningful way
zealous wing
now im too curious, gonna go hunting
hazy birch
if its 10, then it goes up to 17.5
wind spruce
It was the wrong video haha
hazy birch
its nearly double. aint peanuts
hazy birch
imo, its one of those things that the lower the base number is, the more important increasing it is
summer prairie
I don't like it, I'll rather just use my fgs than waste 3 points
brazen warren
I like having quell speed just because I can use it to farm toughness a bit better
zealous wing
its 8m
wind spruce
I don't like it, I'll rather just use my fgs than waste 3 points
Its not 3 points. The build already has the ranged damage node as I said lol
summer prairie
Well I don't
hazy birch
ive done modest testing with the generation/quelling of peril as it pertains to toughness and it didnt seem all that massive
like im not gonna boost an empty toughness meter back to full by quelling a single full peril bar
wind spruce
Well I don't
Fair. What's your surge surge build atm?
summer prairie
What's your crusher DPS with it, if it's not anywhere close to fgs, not sure why I'd use it
summer prairie
On mobile, so not posting, but I've some melee nodes and usually perfectionism
wind spruce
What's your crusher DPS with it, if it's not anywhere close to fgs, not sure why...
Haven't tested the dps
Was just looking at the numbers and wondering
hazy birch
does this apply on a per-target basis or is this a buff to you?
brazen warren
its a self buff iirc
brazen warren
it does
hazy birch
ok
well i frequently prime stuff with lmb anyways
only thing that sucks is fully charging a flamer will eat like 2-3 seconds of that buff
brazen warren
I think the stacking 6% warp damage delt on primary hit is a debuff
ripe obsidian
dang. Came close to beating rot + purple Ascension Riser, but we got separated right near the end and got cut down one by one
ripe obsidian
I think it was a series of small mistakes that we just couldn't recover from due to purple + rot throwing walls of purple crushers at us
plucky flax
I beat purple rot magistrati on ogryn. The psyker was bubble
summer prairie
crusher dps isn't bad with surge surge + pots, like 1300 with 15 stacks and without +carapace, but a bit too expensive to get still
With cara it's over 1500, I could see running it if I really wanted to do a no melee build
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> what u got against my build?
youre running jad, MM, KP, puppet master and battle med for starters. I dont like it, i think its inneficient and missing some core stuff. but i know you play in heresy or so, so its probably fine.
and channeled force is garbage on inferno btw, it only effects the ranged damage and not the soulblaze damage, unlike empyric shock.
i also personally hate spending half the game quelling which is already a problem with bubble builds
wind spruce
With cara it's over 1500, I could see running it if I really wanted to do a no m...
For the full send anti-carpal tunnel build
tulip kettle
watching syllo play its pretty obvious he has a natural 90% resistance to carpal tunnel buff
though calling smite a "secret weapon" is truly unforgiveable stuff. straight to the gulag.
summer prairie
oh Agent posted that garbage run
tulip kettle
no hate dude you played it well. Though idk why the armour density was so low for rot armour
summer prairie
they knew I had smite
tulip kettle
at least it was ethical smiting
hazy birch
youre running jad, MM, KP, puppet master and battle med for starters. I dont lik...
heresy? no. im in auric.
tulip kettle
okay fella
ripe obsidian
fuckin' ascension riser
got to the elevator to the end event
then like 20 crushers spawned
half of them purple
plus endless specials
strong gulch
strong gulch
oof
summer prairie
and how many crusher kills
strong gulch
why the game hate you?
ripe obsidian
and how many crusher kills
I do not think my version of PowerDI counts crusher kills correctly
summer prairie
why not
plucky flax
no hate dude you played it well. Though idk why the armour density was so low fo...
It's cos my kraks got them all.
ripe obsidian
why not
because it says only 71 killed
which feels super low
says I only killed 18, which feels very wrong
summer prairie
sounds right, 692k worth of hp and the rest is healing
ripe obsidian
Aggravating.
tulip kettle
It's cos my kraks got them all.
they did indeed go kaboom, as did those monsters
ripe obsidian
We got so close that time
Elevator to the end, then just 20 crushers at once in the elevator room
they spawned while we were healing, I guess
pushed us into the elevator and smashed us
tulip kettle
but i just mean most of the armour spawns in that game were 3-4 crushers and 3-4 maulers
meanwhile usually its 8 crushers 12 maulers and a bunch of dreg ragers
summer prairie
It was only 47 crushers yes
plucky flax
The game knew we suck.
summer prairie
106 scab ragers, 83 maulers
tulip kettle
i dont think so, its just a seed thing or whatever
but it was just noticeable that you werent getting the ridiculous spam you sometimes see
summer prairie
181 scab shotgunners
tulip kettle
shotgunners are weird
bronze salmon
fellas, how do i work smite and bubble into a high tier havoc build? Not a fan of the scriers infinite smite, i want to use it tastefully / defensively and support bigger dps with bubble (also would not like to use inferno staff lol)
summer prairie
might have been a gunner seed
icy breach
fellas, how do i work smite and bubble into a high tier havoc build? Not a fan o...
Use venting shriek; its better 
tulip kettle
fellas, how do i work smite and bubble into a high tier havoc build? Not a fan o...
this is just gonna be a big ask tbh - most builds that are running staves want a quelling ability, bubble makes them much harder to use. Its not impossible or anything but you will just suffer on DPS output considerably. and inferno is meta for a very good reason, especially as its the easiest to run with bubble as you can take empyric resolve + solidity and get good uptime on it still
tulip kettle
essentially, smite + bubble + no inferno + good damage are kind of mututally exclusive
yeah i have seen a few games recently with 400 specials by the end of the run
kind of a joke really
summer prairie
purg can manage by quelling for only one tick, which isn't subject to penalties/bonuses, so if you play like that it can be fine
bronze salmon
damn, i just feel like i dont want to ask another psyker to run bubble when i'm already supporting with smite, does that make sense? dont wanna gimp the 2nd psyker
tulip kettle
honestly just dont run smite
or do run it, and just, commit to it
as much as i hate that
icy breach
Really depends on your staff/gun you use
tulip kettle
but smite is one of those things that, unless you are otherwise really good, youre going to end up using it more than you likely should if you have it
also, without scriers + EP smite does no damage.
and taking EP with bubble means you have terrible bubble uptime
icy breach
damn, i just feel like i dont want to ask another psyker to run bubble when i'm ...
Smite complements electrokinetic, voidstrike & guns - rest not so much
So start from there
plucky flax
damn, i just feel like i dont want to ask another psyker to run bubble when i'm ...
Bubble smite is op
candid temple
tulip kettle
IF i was going to make a smite + bubble build, but not really use smite all that much, it would probably use an FGS and a las weapon of some kind, and look something like this :
but i really dont think its good.
bronze salmon
*IF* i was going to make a smite + bubble build, but not really use smite all th...
this is super helpful!! but yeah i definitely hear you
radiant mesa
As someone that just does things cuz I find them fun, what's the community sentiment on assail?
bronze salmon
Bubble smite is op
i got to havoc 40 a while back with that which is why i was curious about it but I might just run the scriers ep smite, as im trying to fit into the theme of my stormseer psyker lol
plucky flax
i got to havoc 40 a while back with that which is why i was curious about it but...
See if you can do it again this season 
modest perch
*IF* i was going to make a smite + bubble build, but not really use smite all th...
looking at this has caused me great despair
tulip kettle
i think if you are going to go bubble + smite you should just do something like this :
and press smite the whole game and hope your team can kill stuff
which, i also hate
bronze salmon
i mean i was hoping to keep smite as like an oh shit option rather than a crutch, was cooking with force greatsword for aoe + electrokinetic for carapace
bronze salmon
true, better meta version of that is just inferno for everything + dueling for carapace, hmmmm
tulip kettle
i mean
i think deimos is superior to DS for a number of reasons
im not like, the authority or anything but imo the strongest builds are inferno + deimos with uncanny + superiority and a tree like this :
where you spend the last 2 points either getting KD or quietitude + warp ghost
then for the crusher blobs you want to stack soulblaze to 15 with the inferno, shriek at them, then start to push attack with your force sword to stack uncanny safely
bronze salmon
i see, do you find having bubbles as important in high lvl havocs? last time i was doing 40 it was like, non negotiable to have a bubble, even 2, is that stil lthe case generally?
bronze salmon
kk, if someone were to bubble, what would be the other supporting stuff? the blitz doesn't reallly matter too much in the long run if running bubble right?
tulip kettle
i can safely say me not bringing bubble has never been the reason a run was lost
hazy birch
bubbles are great. i know if everyone is firing on all cylinders and knows what theyre doing its probably just luxury but for randoms i love having it.
bronze salmon
bubbles are great. i know if everyone is firing on all cylinders and knows what ...
thats my main i want to bring bubble + smite, I know randos can do dps, it's the shitshows that i want to prevent or at least stall
hazy birch
that said, my gun pysker uses scriers
tulip kettle
i mean, BB is chosen with inferno because it gives you a tool to deal with snipers and far away shooters, and interacts very nicely with kinetic flayer
hazy birch
smite can be helpful. but it gimps your damage.
tulip kettle
and yeah i posted above what i would do with bubble and smite, and really you are literally jus there to press bubble off CD and smite everyhting and hope everyone else can kill stuff. But smykers are stupid and gross and stinky
hazy birch
people dont like smite round these parts
tulip kettle
and my beloved says they have pp smol
hazy birch
its kind of a desperation skill. like yea it will pause the game for a bit and help the team kill things they couldnt kill without it but thats just a skill diff. that said, i used it a little bit to climb through to about damnation just cuz i didnt feel powerful myself and wanted to guarantee more wins.
once i got my character kinda on par i swapped to assail.
radiant frigate
i wanna say smite is specifically designed to buy time vs mass armor
tulip kettle
i would posit that you can just kill them all instead
radiant frigate
indeed
hazy birch
mostly what i used it for. hordes too if we somehow got overwhelmed and surrounded but if a pack of 10 crushers was coming, smite that shit
radiant frigate
but imagine that you are coming out of an elevator and the crusher clown car descends upon you
that's when smite can be helpful
but uh
trauma would do that too
and also do damage
bronze salmon
trauma would do that too
definitely considering trauma bubble rn as well, just miss smite since my char's theme is lightning (stormseer from chogoris)
tulip kettle
note i dont have any of the buffs active and am not at high peril, in a real game situation your TTK would be even faster
bubble trauma can be good but i found it unplayable without empyric resolve. Im bad though
radiant frigate
note i dont have any of the buffs active and am not at high peril, in a real gam...
ah yes, the one gorillion crusher trial
hazy birch
you also dont have 30 muties, 12 dogs, 2 horde packs and a smattering of snipers and gunners all humping your face with them 
tulip kettle
its super safe with the force sword push attack tbh, i always feel naked fighting crushers without it
anything else will just be dead already from the inferno + shriek
then that one blue stimmed crusher, that you didnt notice had blue eyes, comes and you push attack it expecting it to stagger out of the animation and it just doesnt
radiant frigate
then that one blue stimmed crusher, that you didnt notice had blue eyes, comes a...
tulip kettle
i will also say, trauma can be good in havoc but it can also troll your team and yourself pretty hard. Knocking stuff down just for it to stand up behind you/your team mate and then be stagger immune is a recipe for a bad time.
tulip kettle
https://tenor.com/view/cat-hammer-annoyed-giant-gif-24029759
kitty enjoying this much more than i enjoy getting flattened by crushers
radiant frigate
kitty enjoying this much more than i enjoy getting flattened by crushers
more accurate
radiant frigate
horrors are pink, horrors are blue!
where once there was one, now there are two!
tulip kettle
(dont look at the purple stim code)
ripe obsidian
horrors are pink, horrors are blue!
where once there was one, now there are two!
Two is not a good enough number
ripe obsidian
its super safe with the force sword push attack tbh, i always feel naked fightin...
Until a dozen of them spawn out of nowhere and bully you
radiant frigate
Two is not a good enough number
true fact
radiant frigate
four is better
tulip kettle
12 crushers? easy mode. one single trapper? its so joever
hazy birch
12 crushers in an open area with nothing else trying to kill you is indeed easy mode. I just don't often see that situation in actual gameplay.
tulip kettle
12 crushers in an open area with nothing else trying to kill you is indeed easy ...
post vid of you fighting 12 crushers in psyk plz
hazy birch
I just posted one. scroll up. IDK exactly how many there was but it was multiple groups. and I was stuck in an elevator.
and that was auric
tulip kettle
your vid has 3 other players, there are 6 crushers, and you said last time you posted it it was damnation. its w/e dude i honestly hate your attitude
hazy birch
yea I noticed you got a chip on your shoulder
Idrgaf but I am curious what I said that tilted you so hard
radiant frigate
i wonder how bad the 30 crusher psyk trial is now
used to be pretty easily doable with ds4
perhaps just takes a bit longer now
tulip kettle
about 30 seconds, so about 1 sec/ crusher
not with DS though im poop at the game and need force sword crutch
plucky flax
Use knife like a true rat
tulip kettle
but i need my crutches 🙁
halcyon obsidian
about 30 seconds, so about 1 sec/ crusher
Which blessings & perks do you use on the staff and Deimos?
plucky flax
@summer prairie wanna try 3 man?
summer prairie
give me a few minutes
plucky flax
You might have to play purga.
summer prairie
yes
tulip kettle
Which blessings & perks do you use on the staff and Deimos?
staff is flak + crit chance, blaze away and nexus. sword is carapace + unyielding, uncanny + superiority
strong gulch
I haven't been playing much game lately.
tulip kettle
<@204309481427959809> wanna try 3 man?
if you get bored of being too pro for 4 players i still need a manly vet to carry me the last few games to 40 later
tulip kettle
I haven't been playing much game lately.
i noticed, porquoi?
strong gulch
i noticed, porquoi?
Don't know. I think when my brain is ready to play / I'm well enough, frens aren't playing.
I have done more wax sealing tho. So that's nice.
tulip kettle
purity seals do be cool
if you want to play i will be around today
though its like, 5 am for you.... maybe its sleep time?
halcyon obsidian
staff is flak + crit chance, blaze away and nexus. sword is carapace + unyieldin...
Thanks. May the warp be with you.
plucky flax
if you get bored of being too pro for 4 players i still need a manly vet to carr...
Can do later yeah
long saddle
I need to get rid of one talent to get quick shards, this is my FS special shriek build
last game's uptime
I'm torn on what to cull
cosmic cobalt
what is this build
long saddle
just gather a bunch of peril to shriek
through assail or FS special
and watch things burn
cosmic cobalt
ok but like half the tree doesn't make sense
radiant mesa
Is this a mod that allows the sharing of a full tree?
dusk wren
Is this a mod that allows the sharing of a full tree?
i think it's this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
long saddle
blazing spirit is v bad
marble crater
Why no mettle and perfect timing? 
radiant mesa
I was, but then I decided not to because I only really cared about perfect timing
summer prairie
plucky flax
Pro arby spamming shock mines.
The vet didn't have the best game but you played well syllo
summer prairie
he played well except for a few random downs
still no blockades even though we backtracked quite a bit, guess it's very lenient now
plucky flax
There were loads cos we were slow af
tulip kettle
map/mods/time?
plucky flax
Purple cranial logistratum 52 mins 😂😂
tulip kettle
logi is a long one tbf, and purple makes the games longer for sure. considering only 3 of you i think thats pretty good
summer prairie
had a few long boss fights with backtracking
tulip kettle
we did comms plex purple cranial in 40 mins. my longest so far is ascension riser purple rot at 1 hr 12 min
yeah healing captain + another boss is always pain
tulip kettle
someone here said they had over 2 hours game the other day with 14 deaths
plucky flax
Bruh moment
tulip kettle
that would make me quit i think
summer prairie
Not sure how it's even possible
unless you BB every single enemy
even if people keep dying the spawns slow way down eventually
tulip kettle
i guess they just kept going backwards and spawning blockades or sthing idk
or just not doing the objectives
i guess if you wait for the enemies to stop spawning for every single objective it could take a long while
summer prairie
I think blockades replace regular timed horde spawns, so if you run out of those you might not get any either
tulip kettle
im not sure how they work except if you go 50m ahead or behind the team you usually get one
i also think the specialist strike teams cant be exhausted
radiant mesa
So you're telling me that squad of dudes that show up to kick my ass are my own undoing?
Well fuck
tulip kettle
yup
plucky flax
What's your rank now dom?
marble crater
Damn he was young then
tulip kettle
when you get 16 bulwarks
summer prairie
it's a more mixed spawn now rather than just bulwarks
rigid sky
Is it an emergency or just an annoying hazard?
tulip kettle
yeah they changed it tbf its like, 6 bulwarks and some other armour
deft stump
when you get 16 bulwarks
That flanks you from behind.
rigid sky
Makes more sense
Bulwarks are more of a support unit
Pure support mob isn't that scary
tulip kettle
and yeah it comes from out the nearest non visible spawn to block your path
and idk dude, if you arent an inferno psyker, dealing with 16 pink bulwarks it used to mean death sentance 99% of the time
unless youre like, chaos or ainz or syllo or w/e
tulip kettle
even now, if the bulwarks stim up and overlap you are likely to be in an awful lot of trouble.
summer prairie
It used to be this from behind
and same from front
and the front ones can easily teleport through a spawn door and then you had 15+ bulwarks
summer prairie
I think that's what happens anyway
summer prairie
I'd like that even with staff builds but hard to afford
rough gale
I need a therapy
I mean I am already on a therapy
But I wanna attend to Psykers Therapy Group
tulip kettle
I took the extra dodge and dodge duration on arby for more survivalbility.
do you take the 5% stamina on kill? i started taking it with maul and found it much more playable to be able to do the push attack horde clear forever and much safer
plucky flax
do you take the 5% stamina on kill? i started taking it with maul and found it m...
I don't.
tulip kettle
suprising
plucky flax
If you're playing I'm probably around.
So I only got 8% uptime on hammer of judgement. Gonna remove that talent.
summer prairie
can you only proc it with horde, not sure how much cleave the push attack has
with the shield sure
plucky flax
No escape would had improved damage a bit at some point.
tulip kettle
i am cooking roast dinner rn, so wont play for an hour or so
summer prairie
over 600 specialists and they did this much damage
plucky flax
It was all me I sniped a lot.
summer prairie
don't you take Arbites vigilant anymore, they buffed it a bit
it's the right keystone modifier for str
plucky flax
No because I didn't want to drop stacks.
If I was playing as 4 I would not take extra dodge and ogryn damage.
summer prairie
don't you get them all back immediately when you charge
seems better than +10% ranged since it has high uptime
plucky flax
And I would take that.
But I am holding on to charge and stuff for important cc.
I played a bit more scared.
This is mostly a 3 man specific build I guess. But I would remove hammer of judgement on all builds now though.
8% uptime 
summer prairie
Depends on your playstyle I guess, you can proc it even on ragers but you do have to push attack all the time since 3s is nothing
plucky flax
I removed it now. I already didn't run it on dog build.
summer prairie
do you even need the push cleave then
oh even lmb has decent cleave with the talent
target 2 damage isn't very good however
marble crater
Because you are Asian
plucky flax
VPN is drunk
Btw don't ever buy private internet access.
Really shit vpn provider.
royal totem
why'd you buy it?
plucky flax
I used to use nordvpn. Then I thought I'd switch up to see if the competitors are any good.
plucky flax
Imo nord is much better.
royal totem
i'll keep that in mind
radiant mesa
So I'll ask out of pure curiosity, does using the recon las work with psyker at higher levels?
winged trail
i think gunker builds use recon lasgun to great effect
marble crater
Not havoc, yes
havoc, less yes
radiant frigate
yeah but havoc
royal totem
Isnt the ammo efficiency a bit sus in havoc
radiant mesa
I'm in shambles bro, I don't like the sticks but I like the class
This is why I just hit things with the sword
winged trail
staves are peak psyker smh
radiant mesa
Why use stick when can use hand magic or sword
Just a dream gotta be my favorite passive tho
royal totem
Fgs is blehhhh
patent mango
if the greatsword is peak that means we just need a greatstaff
plucky flax
Isnt the ammo efficiency a bit sus in havoc
It's good with vet. Very efficient.
royal totem
Yeah but we talking psyker here
royal totem
Ah
patent mango
emotional support vet
royal totem
When the vet is just a grenade/ammo bot
plucky flax
@summer prairie okay I'll put arbitest vigilant back on.
Will have to remove ogryn damage tho
summer prairie
instead of the +10% ranged node? Maybe if you need it for breakpoints
plucky flax
I dunno if I can still 1 shot a lot of specials without it or not.
cosmic sigil
Imo nord is much better.
Proton all the way.
summer prairie
is +10% ranged better than +15% when have >75% health though
summer prairie
all damage yeah
plucky flax
If I remove range damage and juggle some stuff around I have it like this
No more space for 15% damage above 75% hp
I have good uptime with soulguit scan
summer prairie
right depends on whether ogryn damage is better than the potential breakpoint one
plucky flax
Ogryn damage is for killing crushers mostly.
Since they are tanky af.
I agree though the 15% would be like taking range damage node but even 5% more.
So I would probably end up switching ogryn damage to 15% damage.
Better specials sniping.
cosmic sigil
I'd take every basic +x dmg with no condition attached before any conditional boost (on dodge, on specific attack...) unless there's a very specific breakpoint
cosmic sigil
Vet is worse
dusk wren
you should take lone wolf so you don't have a ton of great choices
cosmic sigil
You don't have enough points for ks
plucky flax
I have lone wolf for this build.
summer prairie
when there are a lot of ranged targets/specials you just charge whatever/air for +25% power and the shorter dmg boost from the charge
plucky flax
@tulip kettle if you're back I can probably help you get 40 today.
Trying hard.
Fighting.
cosmic sigil
<@453628860567650304> if you're back I can probably help you get 40 today.
Plz pl me as well 🙁
summer prairie
By the way your suppression protocols uptime was a bit under 50% and it's tdr only
kind of meh
plucky flax
Yeah I suppose I only get that during horde.
Suppression Force could help against boss fight.
summer prairie
you also get it when you charge or throw a mine
plucky flax
Make them do less damage.
summer prairie
most of your uptime was probably from mines
or maybe you don't get it from the mines, nevermind
grenades proc it though
graceful arch
I need to climb havocs agian sometime.
I am currently washed at assignment rank 32
fiery stratus
half flume
what are the rewards for 40, never got up that high. Gave up in the later 30s when it first came out.
Could use more dockets for the recent weapons
plucky flax
Some materials.
cosmic sigil
what are the rewards for 40, never got up that high. Gave up in the later 30s wh...
A title
plucky flax
It's mostly for challenges and stuff.
cosmic sigil
You get havoc forged right?
plucky flax
Ye that's 40 clearance.
Most ppl with havoc forged are not h40 ready.
Cos previous seasons much easier.
radiant frigate
Cos previous seasons much easier.
were they?
i mean i guess it's not much of a threat when you just build a bullet-free tunnel from start to finish with psyker bubbles
was honestly easier than aurics at the time, if a bit restrictive
marble crater
Add season 1 ranged enemies back
plucky flax
were they?
Yeah for sure. This season has way too many elites. 1 wrong dodge and you are pancake.
radiant frigate
are the ranged enemies still that bad
marble crater
No
radiant frigate
damn, havoc might be playable then
rigid sky
What is rotten armour again specifically?
uncut sinew
increases hp, dmg resistance and releases pox gas when killed
might have done something else too, don't remember
but the hp and the dmg res is the main things
analog verge
they have huge ranged damage res i think
that decreases as they lose health
disclaimer, no idea if this is factual or not
cosmic sigil
were they?
Well, I got my 40 with pubs the week after the first season started. So the meta was not really established (but 2 chorus and 1 VOC certainly helped). It was easier the second time with Dorn tho
cosmic sigil
Add season 1 ranged enemies back
Oh god damn. I forgot the bullet hell.
weary idol
which games are the pro-government ones
uuuuh hearts of iron???
maybe?
I can't immediately think of a game that I could point at and go "that one's pro government"
prime elk
what an odd question lol
rigid sky
If you're immune to satire then 40k I guess lol
analog verge
wrong channel but im not deleting it
rigid sky
There's a lot of chuds into it for all the wrong reasons
analog verge
good answers
long wharf
what mod is this?
plucky flax
what mod is this?
Uptime
long wharf
very interesting
plucky flax
I dunno how accurate it is.
I hope it's accurate but it's good to see if a talent is not doing much.
So you can swap it for something else.
marble crater
which games are the pro-government ones
Helldivers
cosmic sigil
I hope it's accurate but it's good to see if a talent is not doing much.
Do you know how to filter only your talents?
radiant frigate
Helldivers <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
plucky flax
Do you know how to filter only your talents?
That's all my talents only
tulip kettle
@plucky flax I ate too many roast potatoes and fell into a coma 
then walked my dog to burn it off again. Am back now
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> I ate too many roast potatoes and fell into a coma <a:fat:...
Just in party finder but there's already a psyker.
If you still wanna join
long wharf
what level you guys playing at?
tulip kettle
Omw I'll be 2 mins
plucky flax
what level you guys playing at?
40
long wharf
... you mind if I join on the toughest arbys build?
royal totem
Chaos doesnt like to be heard
long wharf
I understand, but voice comms makes communicating possible
tulip kettle
you can talk if you want dude
plucky flax
You can say some stuff with in game voice chat if you want.
tulip kettle
we normally do fine without it
plucky flax
Just no random chatter.
plucky flax
I dislike playing with lfg channel here cos people talk random shits way too much.
long wharf
100%
plucky flax
At home I do use my mic very rarely during a round to tell people important stuff.
Like big ammo 
summer prairie
you need to call all the specials, all 600 of them
long wharf
my friend code is 8350681588
royal totem
Chaos not home?
plucky flax
you need to call all the specials, all 600 of them
Bruh I hate it when ppl do that. "TRAPPER BEHIND. DOG THERE. MUTIE COMING"
proper osprey
I dislike playing with lfg channel here cos people talk random shits way too muc...
That happens on Xbox built in lfg lol
royal totem
I like only saying bosses
tulip kettle
traxis thingy wotsit over there
proper osprey
@plucky flax we’ve only played once we should play more
I won’t use my cheat mods
plucky flax
No use it and carry me.
proper osprey
But I’ll use controller
plucky flax
That's too hard.
marble crater
"Trapper behind"
Behind where? We are not all looking in the same direction, smh
royal totem
My callouts are all traxis somethin sumthin
plucky flax
That's my vet's name.
royal totem
Good thing chaos doesnt know my zealots name
marble crater
That's what you get for trying to be cool
weary crane
I once dodged off an edge and was about 10 metres away from a crusher overhead but it still hit me
long wharf
@tulip kettle what can I be doing better?
hearty wolf
Bruh I hate it when ppl do that. "TRAPPER BEHIND. DOG THERE. MUTIE COMING"
Only because you have cheats 😭
summer prairie
I turned it off because it's not any better than audio and just distracting
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> what can I be doing better?
just stay with us
long wharf
I'm trying
tulip kettle
you dont need to run off and kill stuff just stick to chaos
long wharf
like white on rice
nocturne wasp
"Trapper behind"
Behind where? We are not all looking in the same direction, smh
Maps are linear
marble crater
zealous wing
if only you could use a stim without deploying the medipack or ammocrate instead
royal totem
if only you could use a stim without deploying the medipack or ammocrate instead...
Wat?
zealous wing
sut is a console player, gotta hit em where it hurts
nocturne wasp
I'm a console player and I do not understand the issue
zealous wing
stims and crates are on the same button, and crates come out first, on the layout he uses
wooden sand
marble crater
Instead of using the same button, make it different ones
I would already be happy if we had some of the options that Helldivers has, double tap, tap and hold, hold
nocturne wasp
What heretical layout are they using
zealous wing
lol... customise a layout on an xbox... if only he could
he'd be over the fuckin MOON i bet
marble crater
We can change what buttons do through xbox and make different profiles, the problem with that is, that it changes the button all the time and not only when you play. So if you do that then navigating menus and such is pain, because A is not A anymore and RB might be B instead
robust violet
Quick question, what actually triggers dying from peril? It seems like whenever I hit 100% peril there's like a coin flip I go through that decides whether I walk it off or explode in a brilliant blaze.
marble crater
Gaining more peril once you are at 100
Or casting Brain Burst when over 97
Hitting 100 is fine, doing something that generates peril while at 100, not fine
zealous wing
if you hit 100, you can stay there long as you want, but yeah, its the casting that kills you
marble crater
I played damnation on psyker without exploding
royal totem
~~but i got overheaded once 😭 ~~
zealous wing
classic psyker
white sky
if you hit 100, you can stay there long as you want, but yeah, its the casting t...
Unless something changed cant you still cast at like 99 and be fine?
zealous wing
yes
white sky
Literally as long as youre not casting at 100 already
zealous wing
yes
it DOES depend, for example BB
cant use BB at critical
but, if you quell to 95 or lower you can cast it
white sky
I swear you can cast BB at 97
zealous wing
critical is specifically 97.5
summer prairie
It's 97 for BB but affected by your peril resistance in a silly way
zealous wing
BB gives you time to cancel, assail does not
zealous wing
smite, you have to actually try to blow up
its not hard, but you do have to do it intentionally, or just be really dumb
white sky
I think its kinda funny smite has an inbuilt safety
zealous wing
its definitely.... a choice that was made
makes sense though when you find a dev smykering in malice
white sky
Idk, I'm a plasma M1s should also blow you up still person
I defo do not think smite should be safe either
zealous wing
absolutely not, but smite has a vast amount of issues that need to be fixed
royal totem
i still have a smite build around
white sky
Smite+FS/FGS/DS makes me feel a bit like Dooku
royal totem
One day ill manage to duo a havoc
verbal thistle
do a 1-10 one
hazy birch
question
hazy birch
that game i had a crit rate of like 38%
and did like 1000 crits or so
yet this perk only had 18% uptime
is this even worth having at that rate?
royal totem
do a 1-10 one
Id have to demote myself a lot
marble crater
How many of those 1000 crits were while the perk was active though
marble crater
Inferno?
hazy birch
idk how to track that. but yea i mean however its functioning, 18% doesnt seem like enough uptime to warrant it
may save my life. may not. idk
yea
marble crater
During 1s Inferno has a lot of potential crits when you fire it into a horde
hazy birch
right. but id think in that specific scenario id be getting a LOT of uptime
cuz it should just be constantly refreshing
theoretically
but regardless, unless the tracker is just wrong, 18% is what i got. is that typical? and is it worth keeping?
just seems a defensive option thats got better uptime would be more useful
marble crater
No idea if that is typical, general consensus is that EE is good and worth it
hazy birch
ill keep testing then
summer prairie
reported crit rates aren't calculated correctly, but 18% is also quite a bit lower than you typically have with purg, but maybe due to different densities depending on what you were playing
but even if it was just 18%, ignoring 18% of incoming ranged damage is good
half flume
oh yeah crit auto dodge is insanely good
I miss it when I don't have it or am on alts
marble crater
Just because it's active 18% of the time doesn't mean you ignore 18% of the damage, that would be very hard to figure out, sometimes it will be active with no ranged enemies even shooting you and other times it will be active with 20 gunners firing at you. Could be a lot less or more than 18% of damage
summer prairie
it would be 18% on average, unless your crit rates are higher when there are fewer ranged enemies around
marble crater
You will be immune to ranged damage for 18% of the time
hazy birch
but even if it was just 18%, ignoring 18% of incoming ranged damage is good
yea it wasnt a very dense mission
summer prairie
yes
marble crater
not 18% of ranged damage
hazy birch
but i was also curious if it was only calculating the times it was active. like, when it dodged a ranged attack
id not think so but never know
summer prairie
Not sure if you just have an issue with wording
summer prairie
I mean SutvVoO
hazy birch
oh
marble crater
Not sure if you just have an issue with wording
I think so 
because what you originally wrote implies you will be shot at the same amount of times all mission long, and I don't think I agree with that
Because it will be active when it's useless and also active when it will avoid damage that could be far higher
marble crater
So is everyone else here as well now
long wharf
legit psyker play
summer prairie
I don't think I would imply that
verbal thistle
zealous wing
considering EE works on all ranged attacks, its 100% useful and worth while
marble crater
but even if it was just 18%, ignoring 18% of incoming ranged damage is good
This part
summer prairie
right, it would eventually average to 18% over a long mission or missions
unless it's active less often when there are ranged enemies shooting at you
zealous wing
they also did mention they "prime" targets with the stagger first, so the stacks could be not spreading as fast as they would for someone who doesnt use the stagger function as often and prefers to kill first
they do also run bubble iirc and not shriek
so thats less fire there too
long wharf
@tulip kettle you don't use soulblaze at all with your bubble knight setup, do you
robust violet
Between the force sword and force greatsword which is generally considered better?
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> you don't use soulblaze at all with your bubble knight set...
no
zealous wing
Between the force sword and force greatsword which is generally considered bette...
it depends, usually FGS
marble crater
Maybe I don't get my point across, but I don't care anymore
zealous wing
but if youre running inferno, deimos or obcurus could be more useful
plucky flax
Bubble knight is stronger than purg shriek confirmed. 
tulip kettle
soulblaze is one of those things that you need lots of it for it to be worthwhile
tulip kettle
Bubble knight is stronger than purg shriek confirmed. <:Kapp:702551877673549955>
is the player im sure
verbal thistle
Between the force sword and force greatsword which is generally considered bette...
there is no better
tulip kettle
idk the scoreboard though as i dcd
verbal thistle
its what you need for your playstyle/build
FGS easily makes up for psykers less then average boss damage and crusher ttk
but is less mobile
tulip kettle
i also thought that burster in the traincar was outside not through the door = baboomy
verbal thistle
force swords are great utility weapons with deflector and mobility
plucky flax
If you didn't dc maybe you get 50k more damage than me. There were a bit of chaff horde but tat was it.
long wharf
yeah, it got super hairy right then
tulip kettle
boss dmg go brrrrrrrrrr
long wharf
were you using fgs on the bosses?
long wharf
yeah, was just curious why he also brought the inferno recon
tulip kettle
choas was bubble knight i played inferno
plucky flax
It's for ee farming.
tulip kettle
and its for shooters and ee procs
long wharf
ahh
hazy birch
considering EE works on all ranged attacks, its 100% useful and worth while
lucky proc on that plasma shot lol
plucky flax
Also super good hips fire so you don't even need to ads.
tulip kettle
force swords are great utility weapons with deflector and mobility
and uncanny also, if FGS had uncanny i dont think force swords would be used all that much
summer prairie
I almost always ads anyway
zealous wing
lucky proc on that plasma shot lol
reconlas with EE; with true aim, means at the very most, its 5 bullets between crits
summer prairie
maybe wrong
plucky flax
You're not real bubble knight.
summer prairie
False
zealous wing
and since its more than 5 bullets per second, reconlas is a guarentee ee
i can fearlessly stand in a hallway facing 10 reapers and win
summer prairie
well
tulip kettle
and then your mag runs out.
hazy birch
reconlas with EE; with true aim, means at the very most, its 5 bullets between c...
i dont use my gun often enough on my gun psyker build. mostly there for nuking big stuff
summer prairie
fearlessly for 12 seconds
hazy birch
otherwise im using assail/melee
zealous wing
and then your mag runs out.
if they're not dead in one clip honestly i deserve the death
summer prairie
you can kill 10 reapers with one recon clip? stronger than I thought
white sky
You can do hwat
zealous wing
if you get headshots its brutal
white sky
I wanna see this tbh
zealous wing
especially ifyou let infernus do its work
tulip kettle
yeah with unyielding and DD it is very good
zealous wing
shoot one in the face a few times, switch to next let the burn stacks go, you can get reall efficient with it
hazy birch
1 mag got like 150 rounds
zealous wing
180
tulip kettle
idk about 12 havok reapers good but its good, enough to make you all the space you need and relocate to wherever
zealous wing
i mean
plucky flax
12 havoc 1 reapers.
tulip kettle
evil
white sky
if they have cranial its over sooner
I'm gonna say no for intents of a baseline but ig they can if you want them to
tulip kettle
zealous wing
also i did say 10 not 12 idk how big of a difference that'd make, i dont have the solo mod for havoc psykanium yet
auric tho absolutely winning
white sky
Auric is whatever ime
You can do literally whatever you want in auric once you're Good At The Game™
tulip kettle
no no, MY e-peen is bigger
zealous wing
actually we cant do whatever we want, dom wont let us
tulip kettle
actually we cant do whatever we want, dom wont let us
white sky
actually we cant do whatever we want, dom wont let us
You can ignore em
summer prairie
he's actually right, you can almost or maybe even kill 10 havoc 40 reapers with one clip
summer prairie
but probably quite a bit harder if they are cowering due to the AI being enabled
zealous wing
if they hunker over to bring up their carapace shoulder, switch
the burn will keep damaging, and you begin the next
summer prairie
I think I killed 12 with SG
zealous wing
btw @tulip kettle i know your habits, if you dont wanna get bored, dont hop ingame with me while im on vet, he is a baby and im learning how to helbore lasgun
white sky
but probably quite a bit harder if they are cowering due to the AI being enabled
The math is there if you can aim tho, which is pretty impressive for the recon ime
tulip kettle
btw <@453628860567650304> i know your habits, if you dont wanna get bored, dont ...
ew helbore
helongbow
zealous wing
would actually kill for a bow
zealous wing
but, i am hunting for a gun that can deal with crushers
tulip kettle
helbore is good at it
i think you can 2 shot H40 crushers with the right mk and build
zealous wing
ive been told such my build however, is definitely not good
i think the gun is proper though
royal totem
What build and mk
tulip kettle
you would need to ask a vet pro
zealous wing
yeah i know
zealous wing
its likely a different keystone, among other issues with my build
probably want to switch to this side
tulip kettle
i think chink in armour doesnt work
zealous wing
prime elk
i think chink in armour doesnt work
i was just testing it
pretty sure it doesn't yeah
strong gulch
Hi @tulip kettle .
I can't play. Thanks for thinking of ealier. Brains too not worky.
zealous wing
k looks like if i wanna oneshot crushers, id need Executioners stance, instead of VoC, so... nah
zealous wing
definitely need practice with psword too
currently been practicing getting consistent headshots with helbore, with taxe in the melee slot so i have a familiar fallback if i miss too much
though i do think im nearing the switch point
switching melee is always a big gamble for me
quiet inlet
I have foudn that vet melee is fine as long as nothing goes wrong
one miss and it's dumpster time
white sky
definitely need practice with psword too
Would you like a bit of advice?
zealous wing
sure
plucky flax
Stamina on vet is good now.
Same as zealot and with the talent you can have it same as arby/psyker in term of delay.
white sky
sure
PSword has a weird flow compared to most melees, you wanna swing more than you're dodging and you wanna interweave your dodges with your power cycles ime
That mentality tweak helped me a lot with it personally
I'm not sure if that makes sense tbh
zealous wing
dodge when using the special, rather than when swinging?
white sky
Aye, PSword is really deliberate
prime elk
sure
push way more than you would with other melees
the charge -> BC -> push combo is especially important
white sky
PS charged push attacks fuck up Crushers
raw garnet
The stab is so heavenly
And then the quick downswing followup is satisfying
I love psword
solemn geode
I'm trying out Psyker, but I'm having trouble finding my groove at the low levels. Do you guys have any advice for a level 6 Psyker
prime elk
get to assail as quickly as possible
white sky
If you're on low diffs assail will actually just carry you ime
prime elk
and crutch on assail to carry you to 30
zealous wing
and do be aware the ability you start with will save you from overload if you start to explode
use it when your character starts looking at their hands, then quell before using assail more, or any other peril generating things
avoid staves, they require certain skills to use, and will be more effective with more talents anyway
dodge and slide a lot. if you sprint slide, your stamina will last much longer, because our regen is so fast
marble crater
I'm trying out Psyker, but I'm having trouble finding my groove at the low level...
There is a build for psyker leveling among the Bonanza in the pins, plus what everyone else said
deft stump
How get helbore to 1 shot crusher
I don't hellbore?
royal totem
Damn. But Karien pro vet
plucky flax
I want karien to play vet in havoc to carry me.
royal totem
But can it do it consistently
zealous wing
2 shot is plenty tbh
prime elk
but it's not wroth it
royal totem
damn. well that sounds not very worth
prime elk
this is the amount of stupidity
you need to get the crusher one shot breakpoint
on helbore mk iv
with carapace damage
surgical (crit needed)
headshot
you need ES on, 15 stacks MMF, both red nodes active and skirmisher at 4 stacks
prime elk
yeah it's just a matter of stacking literally every damage buff you can get
it's easier to get the crusher one shot breakpoint
with something like revolver tbh
royal totem
lmao.
cosmic sigil
That's all my talents only
I have uptime for talents from other players...
plucky flax
I have uptime for talents from other players...
I dont have it and I also don't want to see theirs. Check mod menu
prime elk
it takes a lot to get used to
and sometimes i don't use it for a while
and it feels jank as fuck again
but it's worth practicing for
thick valve
flame staff ?
the strength only benefits melee attacks right? or does the strength buff the flames/ranged attks too?
strong gulch
not just melee
blaze away is the anchor blessing for inferno
strength = power
they are damage, stagger, and cleave
visual trellis
What should I run on electro kinetic staff
strong gulch
Builds in pins.
thick valve
blaze away is the anchor blessing for inferno
do you prefer the brittleness debuff blessing or warp nexus as second?
strong gulch
General RMB build is flak + maniac / unyielding / crit chance and nexus + flurry
maniac is better for specials
unyielding better for bulwarks, reapers, and to help tickle monsters harder
crit chance is for EE farming with LMB