psyker-class

[hazy birch]

Usually bugs are erratic. Inconsistent.

[zealous wing]

thats usually due to someone standing on the edge of it by the back wall

technically off the platform

airlocks have it too, if youre too close to the open door

[hazy birch]

I'm no dev but they probably have to manually select every "playable" part of the map to tell the AI they should be looking there. Devs probably weren't thinking people would stand there lol

[zealous wing]

things about bug reports is they usually ask for how to recreate the bug, so, consistency or lack of makes no difference to it being a bug

[hazy birch]

I've watched fromsoft dev reactions to speed runs in soulsborne titles where people basically turn their runs into bug demonstrations and they're amazed at how people find that shit

[zealous wing]

they DID put a chest there though

[hazy birch]

Chest may have been what broke it

Who knows

[zealous wing]

knowing FS, maybe

[hazy birch]

My psykers damage is bugged

No way I should be doing this much damage for such little effort

Flamer ain't as fun as my gun build but it's definitely performing

[zealous wing]

inferno isnt nothing

[potent saffron]

Soulblaze trauma elite clears are so satisfying tho

[zealous wing]

its not the meta for h40 just because it blocks the vision of your teammates

[hazy birch]

Debatable

[zealous wing]

its just, good at its job

dom has a clip here somewhere of him using it on crushers

i'd have to set up to make one myself to keep saved

[hazy birch]

Besides the passive bb proc I don't think it's doing much to crushers

But yea it annihilates hordes

And my crit proc numbers are in the thousands even in damnation

Almost want to make another psyker

[zealous wing]

here's his clip

[raw garnet]

If you use it with a weapon that has uhhh

[zealous wing]

uncanny

[raw garnet]

What's the rending blessing

[hazy birch]

I like my meme psyker persona but also want one decked out and proper. But don't want to be paying for personality changes all the time lol

[raw garnet]

It does mega damage

[hazy birch]

Yea that looks about right

[raw garnet]

yeah LMAO it's so ridiculous

[zealous wing]

do it, im thinking about making an 8th

[hazy birch]

Way to slow for me

[raw garnet]

I'm honestly kind of bored of it I'm gonna try voidblast soon

[zealous wing]

to be fair, i am a psycho

i like the leveling process of psyker

[hazy birch]

If you made 8 of the same character I'd agree

[zealous wing]

so, i level them, then i delete them

except my main of course

[hazy birch]

I think me juggling the notion of making a 2nd is edging the line of psychosis

[hazy birch]

Absolute nutter

[zealous wing]

i find forcing myself to use a weapon i either have never used or am very unfamiliar with, with a baby psyker, is very effective at teaching me how it works

forced myself to use VB and only VB, and now i have a bit more of a sense for barrels

[hazy birch]

Yea except you do jack shit for damage

[zealous wing]

it depends

[hazy birch]

And have no survivability

[zealous wing]

usually psyker is always top damage

[hazy birch]

Cuz you have no build lol

[zealous wing]

if youre a decent psyker at least

[hazy birch]

I couldn't get top damage for shit in the early days

[zealous wing]

as for survivability, true, they fragile, just dont get hit

[hazy birch]

And these days I fight with arbites for top damage

[royal totem]

For the number of crushers it doesnt get much faster

[hazy birch]

Though I'm not in havoc with giga hordes so

[royal totem]

I never get top damage

[zealous wing]

lvl 16 psyker is plenty for auric, lvl 2 psyker is a bit of a stretch for damnation, but only had issues with the lvl 2 psyker in damnation once we hit the actual assassination part

[hazy birch]

My arbites would like to take this challenge

[zealous wing]

if it hadnt been an assassination mission we would have been fine probably

[royal totem]

Especially when i play with that Spoony-Threepus guy (i dont think im spelling the name right)

[hazy birch]

I'm top damage 19/20 games

Ish

[zealous wing]

nah thats correct spelling

[hazy birch]

That one game is some giga Lord +200 arbites

Or some other psyker that barely edges me out

[zealous wing]

is level 200 actually that high?

[hazy birch]

IDK but I'm nowhere near it

[zealous wing]

my psyker is level 556, ive been here less than like 3 months

[royal totem]

Becuz of how damage works btw. Tip damage doesnt mean as much as you think btw

[hazy birch]

I don't think it matters much beyond the expectation that they should know their build and how it works and absolutely should have everything maxed out

[zealous wing]

pretty much

[buoyant maple]

While this is true, psyker is generally the easiest to top damage by a wide margin

[hazy birch]

Like if you're +200 and still rocking purple 320 gear there's a problem

[royal totem]

Like yeah its cool to see but thats all

[zealous wing]

its a "you should know better" rather than an actual skill indicator

[royal totem]

Yeah though depends what psyker build too

[hazy birch]

Yea. Should lol

[tulip kettle]

damage is an indicator, its not the be all and end all

[hazy birch]

But like today bro..

My last game i just deuced out

[tulip kettle]

but if youre doing more damage than the other 3 players combined, it means that youre pulling extra weight for sure

or if everyone has boadly similar damage, say, around a million each

and one guy has 200k

that one person is likely to be underperforming

[hazy birch]

I had like 430k damage, 2 of the others were struggling, no doubt because they were constantly picking up the +50 psyker that couldn't stay alive long enough to bust 50k damage out

After reviving said individual like 6 times I just stopped doing it

Probably drunk. Stoned. Letting the 8yo kid play. IDK

[tulip kettle]

ultimately, score, uptime mod, etc, are tools for yourself, not to be an elitist or asshole towards others

[royal totem]

I want those players in damnation

So i can get my penance faster

[hazy birch]

I use it how I see fit. Usually I don't say anything especially if we're getting the job done

But when we are failing the mission because of someone like that, I say something

[tulip kettle]

i mean most of the best players i know wont ever say something to other players like that, even if its true.

[quartz barn]

people flaming because of score also used to get humbled here

because you can literally tune it yourself

[half pebble]

i really love fem seer because she gives sweet older lady vibes but also because I usually run greatsword on psyker I love the image of this delirious old woman just shredding the enemies of humanity and not really understanding how or why she's even there

[analog verge]

yep

[hazy birch]

Tune it yourself?

[half pebble]

"THIS IS ALL INSTINCT GORDON I'M SCARED"

[tulip kettle]

if youre confident and comfortable with your own skill and ability, you will usually blame yourself for your own mistakes and let other people play their game

[analog verge]

fem seer reminds me of sienna and that can only be a good thing

[half pebble]

HOLY FUCK UR RIGHT

[analog verge]

i picked fanatic zealot because he reminds me of saltzpyre too

[plucky flax]

You must be best player worldwide.

I don't think I ever get 2nd highest damage.

[royal totem]

If i lose a mission its cuz i wasnt good enough to solo it

[hazy birch]

I'm not playing in high havoc. I'm sure the sweats that play there would give me a run if not dumpster my damage

I don't run meta builds. Everything i got is my own

[plucky flax]

I died this morning and blamed myself but my teammate were like 'no not your fault' and 'just bad luck' they were so nice.

[hazy birch]

But I know how to apply damage and have decent enough skill to navigate the games mechanics well enough

[royal totem]

I want to play with Spoony-Threepus again someday. when im good enough to deserve it

[analog verge]

if it ever seems like its your fault then you aren't looking hard enough for someone to blame

[hazy birch]

I blame myself when I'm to blame. When I got a teammate dying every 20 seconds, I'm not blaming myself

[plucky flax]

Tru I should had blamed the zealot for not casting book near me.

[analog verge]

if its not lag, its your teammates, if its not your teammates, its the servers, if its not the servers its the devs, and if its not the devs its games workshop

[tulip kettle]

thats six

[plucky flax]

I am so nice when a psyker request to join my lobbyI even switch build to accommodate them. Because it's weird that I am already on purg but they request to join as purg but whatever they must be better.

[royal totem]

Yes. Im just messing around

[tulip kettle]

if you died, it was your fault

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1429895985055928513/image.png?ex=69064e69&is=6904fce9&hm=4a65e0f4092c549543bd9c8303b6b348daf7e4e0f77ec2493bf4e7ec3365d23c&

[tulip kettle]

we were playing yesterday and i was last alive. I died. It was my fault, not my team mates. I recognised the mistake i made then moved on

[analog verge]

what does it mean if i join the lobby as purg psyker, switch to electrostaff after seeing another purg psyker, then they swap to electro, swap back to purge at 1 second remaining, and then leave

[hazy birch]

I refuse to place the burden on myself of carrying the game as a lone person. The game is designed to be played with 4 people.

[analog verge]

the best psyker does not need to call themselves the best

[zealous wing]

social awkwardness

[royal totem]

Was my fault for not staying alive. I just got overwhelmed by amount of rot

[prime elk]

tbf there are definitely deaths that are not my fault

[tulip kettle]

if a burster got blown up in your face

thats maybe not your fault

[prime elk]

like a smyker taking a grimoire, smiting all game, and then i get corrupted down to 10 hp

he double dips the last medicae

i die

actually

[zealous wing]

tried to do a duo earlier with nolife, we both were purge, then i switched to bubbleknight, they also switched to some bubble build (not purg), then we both switched back to purg at the same time each time, and ran out of time. then we died to twins immediately

[prime elk]

my fault for not barreling him

[analog verge]

when everything starts floating and then i instantly die, thats not my fault

[royal totem]

If dom pushes a burster into you its not ur fault

[half pebble]

https://youtu.be/4cZqRzHnI8s?si=q_ktM5VUKYS2gUcL

gunkers be like

[tulip kettle]

unless you are smiting

then it is your fault.

[analog verge]

vaudeville is alive and well

smite should destroy my ears more

[zealous wing]

dom will say its my fault

[analog verge]

maybe then i would appreciate it

[tulip kettle]

the mistake you made was walking near the unexploded barrel - ergo, not my fault

[zealous wing]

called it

[royal totem]

Lmaoooo

[analog verge]

the mistake you made was partying with em in the first place

[tulip kettle]

well, you dont make that mistake any more do you? 👼

[analog verge]

your fault

[royal totem]

I never win havoc games when i play with Dom or Hexis 🤔

[zealous wing]

im much more aware of prime barrel off cliff targets and shot the barrels first

[hazy birch]

Actively trolls the team then shirks responsibility by saying "you shouldn't have been somewhere I could troll you" 🤣

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[zealous wing]

dw i got him back

[hazy birch]

Shit like that happens tbh. I don't get mad unless it starts becoming repetitive to the point I believe it's intentional. Then I bust out my degree in trolling and get to work.

[plucky flax]

It's my fault I die to a bunch of dudes literally spawn from a corner as I run through 💀

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-erik-king-james-doakes-surprise-motherfucker-surprise-gif-4719446

[analog verge]

yeah you walked away from the team for one second

[zealous wing]

oh with dom and i its 100% intentional with eachother

[analog verge]

deserved

[hazy birch]

Ah I see

Well if it's friendly and all that it is what it is

[plucky flax]

I hate this havoc spawn system where dudes just materialise out of thin air.

[zealous wing]

sometimes accidents DO happen, because yes, shit happens, but, its all in good fun

[tulip kettle]

i heard psyker is not glass anymore and super tanky actually

[zealous wing]

honestly, my suipsyker build from like, day 2 of update was nigh impossible to die with

[tulip kettle]

the single poxwalker attack about to end your day :

[zealous wing]

couldnt even blow myself up

[strong gulch]

Not way I play it.

[zealous wing]

it wasnt effective at much else

but it was, tanky

[marble crater]

Yeah, if it's so tanky then why can't I tank several crushers while being in a corner?

[zealous wing]

do you use JaD?

[marble crater]

Of course not, no points left

[zealous wing]

itll get you partway there

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-duck-skill-issue-duck-gif-15980124115831948071

[zealous wing]

imagine if psyker gets a talent like EE but for melee attacks

no stopping us

[tulip kettle]

please dont bring up EE

[zealous wing]

too soon?

[tulip kettle]

all the braindead takes will follow

[raw garnet]

EE?

[tulip kettle]

empathic evasion

aka ghost blessing but a talent

[zealous wing]

oh, the takes that EE is not worth it or something?

[analog verge]

whats the hot take on EE

[raw garnet]

Isn't that the one that makes you dodge ranged attacks

[zealous wing]

or the one similar to blazing spirit on FGS

[tulip kettle]

the takes that EE is broken and needs nerfing

[zealous wing]

lol

[royal totem]

Bringing up EE is like bring up w***fire

[analog verge]

yeah pretty much

[plucky flax]

Pro door move

[tulip kettle]

when every class has access to a similar ranged immunity mechanic

[royal totem]

Whats zealots

[raw garnet]

Can you really do this lmao

[tulip kettle]

sliding

[jovial juniper]

Sprint dodge

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's common knowledge

[jovial juniper]

Oh wait

They removed Swift

[tulip kettle]

they can also just bring ghost blessing

[strong gulch]

Ghost, please bless me.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/wheel-ceramics-clay-love-ooo-gif-7562786

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-weird-skeptical-worried-disgusted-gif-4990489

[jovial juniper]

Envoi - Ghost starts playing

[tulip kettle]

maybe youre not old enough for that reference idk

[jovial juniper]

Deadly Circus Fire - Ghost starts playing

[analog verge]

its not thaaat old

...is it?

[jovial juniper]

Oh also
Fury

[marble crater]

I am sadly

[jovial juniper]

You're just immune to ranged

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

im sorry to tell you dude...

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-old-boomer-old-golden-girls-trendizisst-gif-9664501591893635879

[analog verge]

agh, it was only a whole grown man ago

not even that ancient

[tulip kettle]

the movie came out 36 years ago

[marble crater]

Sometimes I use me being German as an excuse to not know pop culture from my age group as it didn't reach Germany, even though I do know it

[tulip kettle]

if you remember it youre probably older

[marble crater]

Makes me feel younger for a moment

[analog verge]

its okay, you're german

[tulip kettle]

i think if your age starts with a 4 or higher, that makes you old in gaming circles. Though i would be happy to be corrected and therefore not old

[marble crater]

Ah then I am not old

Lucky

[analog verge]

if you're above 25 you're actually turning into dust

[marble crater]

Damn

[analog verge]

your knees are long gone, your back is already a lost cause

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/derek-aaron-ruell-napoleon-dynamite-nice-fist-pump-strike-gif-14187024

[plucky flax]

The legend Patrick Swayze

[analog verge]

he'd be 75 now

[hazy birch]

Oh boy...

[zealous wing]

i got called old when i turned 20

the bar keeps getting lower

[tawny kernel]

why is my loadout tweakin out

[zealous wing]

because youre missing some stuff

[strong gulch]

One day. 🤞

[tawny kernel]

what stuff? every time i try and fill the emote slot they empty out again

[zealous wing]

delete the loadout and make a new one?

[tawny kernel]

i can't make a loadout, thats what gives me the error

[zealous wing]

and, do you have a mod that gives you emotes you dont actually have?

[tawny kernel]

no. it dosen't do this with any of my other classes

[zealous wing]

delete the loadout, and you cant fill the slots that way either?

very odd

[tawny kernel]

I don't even have a saved loadout

what happens why I try and make one

[zealous wing]

fill the emotes before you make one

[raw garnet]

Everything explodes

[tawny kernel]

ayyy

that worked

[zealous wing]

[tawny kernel]

[hazy birch]

People talk about new guns and new classes and new skins and shit. When we gonna get new hairstyles?

Every character I make, my persona selection is an exercise in "which is the least ugly" as opposed to "which looks good"

[analog verge]

wish granted, they're in the slop shop for 1800 aquilas each

[tawny kernel]

in the Imperium of Man they make you choose from a handful of inquisition aproved hairstyles

[hazy birch]

You telling me this is imperium approved?

[analog verge]

extremely so

they don't tell you this because it would be a heresy but

[hazy birch]

💀

[analog verge]

this was the emperor's actual haircut

yknow before it got burnt off

[hazy birch]

Bro am actually dead

[tawny kernel]

I asked the god emperor himself and he said he supports male pattern baldness

[zealous wing]

since he's a psyker i'd believe it

[analog verge]

mentioning that fact is a heresy, but insulting the haircut is also a heresy because its made in the emperor's image

[hazy birch]

But seriously the styles are so bad I'm more inclined to make a joke out of my character than to try and make something attractive

[zealous wing]

you CAN make some cool characters, but, its very very limited

[analog verge]

that psyker haircut with the one moustache looks genuinely great (...for a psyker)

but yeah the hair could be a lot better

[hazy birch]

My psyker is a woman

[analog verge]

who has a good haircut in 40k

its not rannick

[zealous wing]

alright making psyker 8

[hazy birch]

Icr what rannick even looks like

[hazy birch]

I have no idea what's going on in the game tbh

Ah

So the 5th element cut

[zealous wing]

yes

[analog verge]

yknow, if i could get that cut for myself as psyker

even though it looks awful... i might switch

[hazy birch]

Because it's less awful than other options

[royal totem]

@zealous wing tell me if you need help levelibg

[hazy birch]

Like I said. Which option is "least shit"

[analog verge]

i need the tiny little beard patch too of course

[zealous wing]

this one WOULD be fine, if it didnt clip through every single torso piece ever

[hazy birch]

And if it had hair on the other side

[analog verge]

the half shaven thing is a popular look

but not if the regular version isnt also in

[hazy birch]

I just want a normal, attractive looking female character for a psyker

[zealous wing]

lazy mohawk also isnt bad, but, i might be biased

[hazy birch]

I'm okay with my zealot looking rough

[white sky]

My psyker is bald tbh

[royal totem]

HAHAHA. This is 40k and we rejects

[hazy birch]

Mines halfway there

[marble crater]

There are no attractive people in 40k, they lost the technology to make people pretty

[analog verge]

listen, if we can buy fine fits from hallowette, we can afford a decent haircut

[hazy birch]

Facts

[analog verge]

and yet they still made hadron

[white sky]

Focus too hard on being pretty and slaanesh gets you

[analog verge]

its amazing

[patent mango]

its time

[royal totem]

2k aquillas each

[analog verge]

oh hey, speaking of bad haircuts

[hazy birch]

Honestly I think the base game needs some hair love but as long as they're priced properly id even be okay with some mtx shit

[radiant frigate]

oh hey it's ya boy van calox

[patent mango]

and hes gone forever

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[analog verge]

you're telling me i'm a reject even though i can get amazing, normal people outfits like these

censored for privacy

[hazy birch]

absolutely normal

saw 3 people wearing that at the gas station earlier

[analog verge]

also why does fatshark loves asymmetry so goddamn much

that one zealot outfit that has one glove enrages me

[zealous wing]

sorry was me

[modest perch]

frill goes so hard. only psyker cosmetic that matters

[hazy birch]

I've thought about getting the frill for mine

Complete the clown aesthetic well I think

[analog verge]

give me my goddamn glove back

[analog verge]

unironically amazing

[zealous wing]

[analog verge]

it would be nice if i could still wear another face cosmetic alongside it though

[zealous wing]

actually though, yeah

[analog verge]

one extra 'accessory' slot

but then fatshark wouldnt be able to sell me a "frill with mask" cosmetic later

[cosmic sigil]

What's the actual meta on the fgs blessings? I remember people talking about wrath for Havoc.

[verbal thistle]

riposte + unstable/shred/precog

[analog verge]

they wouldn't let me wear frill and this because they knew i would be too powerful

censored because minecraft painting

[strong gulch]

frill is from real money shop

[analog verge]

i bought frill, id pay more if i could wear both of these at once

[strong gulch]

kk

[weary crane]

Tip for psykers who play havoc: when the horde sounds triggers, there's gonna be waves of groaners spawning behind, focus on clearing this so when teammates retreat (which they will) they won't get blocked

Randoms will just focus on the front

[austere warren]

Psyker cosmetics the only ones in this game with better style to begin with

Veteran has some nice jackets i guess.

[tulip kettle]

i wish they would

my 3 randoms are hitting the poxwalkers from the back

99% of the time

[analog verge]

the zealot cosmetic that has actual armor looks pretty good imo

[zealous wing]

randoms have a sixth sense for lone poxxers

ESPECIALLY when a captain spawns

[austere warren]

It's not terrible but I just find most euro armor cosmetics in games to be boring as hell.

[weary crane]

Yeah, and psyker is way quicker at clearing them

[strong gulch]

I wish I did. 😭

[zealous wing]

bonus points if im on a combat knife meleeker, then of course they leave the captain to me

[austere warren]

Oh look, another knight. 😒

[zealous wing]

(i brought the captain back the them then ran off to deal with elites

[analog verge]

considering zealot mostly gets gimp armor, im pretty happy to see something knight-like

plus if anyone should have real armor

[austere warren]

Yall really like that word here huh.

[strong gulch]

1 random dork trundles onto the scene

ME: gets hit WHERE THE FECK DID YOU COME FROM? I"M BUSY OVER HERE.

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1433922406631870544/Desktop_2025.10.31_-_20.54.30.09.mp4?ex=690673ce&is=6905224e&hm=00e0dbc8dda2ade3d3152f6c23f1f314f7d3ce1bcea4515c2d9701623bfbc980&

[analog verge]

ill stop saying gimp when they stop adding gimp masks

[austere warren]

Yeah I bet. I do see what you're talking about.

[analog verge]

its decently novel because most of the other outfits dont go that way but whatever i get it

[austere warren]

And only a few of these really meet that criteria.

[analog verge]

the slop shop could be better overall

[austere warren]

Namely arbites

[analog verge]

cant wait for whenever new arbites cosmetics happen

id believe if if it was 100% a gw thing

[young cliff]

People dreaming of new army cosmetics when we are about to get another class with 0 new cosmetics soon

[royal totem]

we pray to fatshark when really we should pray to GW

but don't worry

GW won't answer

[young cliff]

GW is the god that keeps not giving

[royal totem]

i will make it no secret i don't like GW

[young cliff]

I'll not forgive them until they give us Power fists and new staffs

[royal totem]

hahahahahaa

idk about that

[proper osprey]

Why are you listening to such relaxing music

[hazy birch]

There's a sound for the horde?

I usually just listen for the sound of things as they're coming. Typically way too much shit happening. Unless it's dead quiet in between zones or something

[royal totem]

there is

like the roar/screech/whatever you want to call it

is a warning horde coming

or if a chara says "Ambush"

or such

[hazy birch]

I know the dogs howl and whatnot. I think there's some gurgling snarls that happen when a monstrosity spawns

[royal totem]

monstrosity sounds depends which monstrosity

pogryns sound different from chaos spawns sound different from burgles

[hazy birch]

I've not studied them. Honestly I'm pretty visual. Constantly looking around and behind me

I just wish there was a way to set a specific ping to a key bind

Cuz for me, the wheel delay is a bit much

[royal totem]

idk i never use pings

[hazy birch]

I want to be able to put skulls places

With one button

[weary idol]

you can hear those coming beforehand because they play the sound of buzzing flies :)

[royal totem]

and here i was wondering why i hear flies in game

i figured i was just losing my mind

[weary crane]

The hardest sound to hear is when twins spawn

But you will know quick enough 💀

[royal totem]

honestly i never have trouble finding the twins

though i never hear them

[weary crane]

It's a faint void shield activating

[royal totem]

i had a match recently where the twins showed up and pretty much got insta nuked

yeah i know what it's supposed to be but like i never hear it anyways. too faint

"we're not trapped here with you. you're trapped here with us"

[weary crane]

Yeah they are easy if they are alone, but normally they show up when everyone is distracted with bosses and hordes

[royal totem]

think a chaos spawn also showed up but we just said "no"

[hazy birch]

Facts.

The chick reminds me of the marauder from doom eternal

Obviously a much more docile and feeble creature by comparison but she exerts the same type of pressure

[weary idol]

void shield noise in the distance

RINDA OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A STEEL CHAIR

[royal totem]

aren't the twins fun when you have gardened enemies nearby?

in a small space though i actually find Rodin more annoying

[white sky]

I should play DOOM Eternal again

Fun game

[white sky]

Nah straight up tho you don't know they're there until some goofball with a sword is in your face

Its even funnier when they rng roll min height

Just hiding in the crowds

[royal totem]

when they just come in and choose one person to half health

yup

[white sky]

Ive been popped by the sword cause I just did not realize they were there tbh

[royal totem]

i always pray when twins arrive

figure team could use some gold toughness and some stagger

[weary crane]

Yeah void shield healing is cancer

[hazy birch]

Burned out finishing an ultra nightmare run years ago.

Dark ages was a disappointment

[royal totem]

yeah.............. super cancer

once i was doing garden with Six and the twins we got them down to 1/4th then the melee twin shielded and healed up to full

we lost

a burgle also came in and everything

[hazy birch]

Wait what??? This is possible??

Bro count me the fuck out

[royal totem]

welcome to gardens 🙂

[hazy birch]

👋 goodbye

Miss me with that bs

[royal totem]

honestly like in a large space it's an issue but not a huge issue

but it was right after a dropoff into a small space

[hazy birch]

I use my mouse wheel to tag

[royal totem]

fcking Silo-cluster

[hazy birch]

I want and need to be able to spam ping long range threats

[zealous wing]

then you can also disable the singletap ping for "look there" so you dont spam that while doing that

[hazy birch]

It only pings Pingable targets

Elites and whatnot

It's mostly so I can ping snipers or get the dog on stuff quickly

[royal totem]

oh

just set your ping to one tap ping

and bind it to a button

[hazy birch]

I use the scroll wheel so I can "fish" for targets

[austere warren]

If you're trying to mark areas with shooters for yourself, I just drop the skull ping on clusters of shooters if I don't have it on.

[zealous wing]

i run this setup for my arby

idk what you mean otherwise

[austere warren]

Well anything that highlights targets at least. Disrupt destiny is pretty good for that granted you'll just have to kill those marked targets and the closest one to that one will get marked.

[zealous wing]

if you want to be able to place the skull icon somewhere, put threat instead of location

[hazy birch]

I mean I want to be able to set a key bind to specifically put the skull down wherever I want it without messing with anything else on my ping setup

In my research it's not possible with the base game UI. IDK if mods have anything that can do that

[zealous wing]

for the emperor mod MIGHT do that

[austere warren]

Yeah just try downloading some ui mods with custom ping features maybe to see

Like a mod that basically just functions as a macro management hub or something

[zealous wing]

gonna test if FTE does it

yes

it does

[zealous wing]

"For The Emperor" is what you want, 100%

its small, doesnt change much of anything, just lets you have keybinds for certain things, and make specific callouts like "yes" and "no", and also disable your character shouting "MINE" at things

[white sky]

Didn't even bother tbh

Looked too uhhh

Idk not right?

[strong gulch]

My enemy tag and markers for single / double tap are different. No mods.

Coms wheel is hold. So I ALT to do a single tap marker, double tap marker, and hold for coms wheel.

[royal totem]

I just trust potato to kill things for me

[hazy birch]

Dude that sounds epic

Like that needs integrated into the main game

As a counter strike/valorant player I value the ability to communicate with buttons

[hazy birch]

I use scroll wheel to tag. So the tag needs to be one thing and remain consistent

Sounds like that mod is up my alley

[royal totem]

I ignore all pings

[hazy birch]

Yea it's not Doom. It's some other game built out of doom IP assets. Some could say the same about eternal but I think it was a good game regardless of if it was classic doom or not. Dark ages was just hokey.

[hazy birch]

Not sure that's a flex

If someone's abusive about it, understandable. But they're there to call attention to threats. Why would you ignore them?

[zinc phoenix]

Did they announce the new class yet?

[hazy birch]

No

[royal totem]

Its not a flex. Its a simple statement

[zinc phoenix]

I sleep

[hazy birch]

The context of my statement was more in the spirit of "I'd not be proud of that". Ignoring information can get you killed. I just don't understand why you would?

[zealous wing]

having played with them, i dont think its by choice

[royal totem]

I find them annoying

Whats the point of pinging me to go somewhere when im surrounded by crushers????????

[hazy birch]

I definitely find ping spammers annoying. But tbh I more often find people don't ping enough or even at all. Rarely see spammers

Oh idk about that. Like if it's a dark room and I see a horde pack coming out the wall and I don't think my team sees it I'll put a skull on it so at least they know it's there

[zealous wing]

ive only spammed when there was a sudden chaos spawn, and one person was who knows where, and 2 were in the other direction getting the skull, to ping where to fight the thing. they all got there in time

sometimes, a spam ping is good, but its a very rare situation

[hazy birch]

Enemies I tag once and leave it

[zealous wing]

it was the big area before the final event at the fuel refinery, lots of places to get thrown off cliffs, so a simple ping sometimes isnt enough

[royal totem]

Lemme solo chaos spawn!

Fuel refinery?

[zealous wing]

in havoc, those who know where to go, like dom, will also ping a location 2 or 3 times to bring attention to safer areas to fight or wait something out

if you dont listen, you die

if youre stuck, its possible to get to you in time usually, but usually if youre in coherency, that wont happen

[royal totem]

I just try to stick to somebody

[zealous wing]

nothing can be said for shitty players though that constantly leave someone to fight something they cant handle alone

"ah yeah this inferno psyker can definitely handle the monstrosity, im gonna go back to the other two who are beating on poxwalkers" is a constant joke because, its not a joke

for some reason, people dont understand that a psyker with a staff does NOT have good boss DPS

but, thats besides the point, pings are useful

[royal totem]

Im a thammer zealot. I hurt bosses

[zealous wing]

yup, that'd be your job

even if youre on book, you can do damage between book readings

[royal totem]

With infiltrate too

Whats book

[zealous wing]

chorus

golden toughness + stagger almost everything

[royal totem]

I know. Its a bad joke cuz i infiltrate

[proper spoke]

We can be friends

[proper spoke]

We can't be friends

[royal totem]

LOL

I play prayer for my friend sometimes

[hearty wolf]

Dom dies*

"Where is everyone!!!"

[tulip kettle]

false and non factual

[hearty wolf]

How about we test that

I haven't got to play all week 😭

I stopped playing due to some ptsd

I tried to speedrun heresy on my Vet

And I legitimately couldn't do it

I think it's cos of the event modifiers with 65000 dogs and muties but it felt so bad

[tulip kettle]

i would say washed

[hearty wolf]

Probs

[tulip kettle]

but you need to be good at some point to become washed

[hearty wolf]

😇

I want to Krak something

[tulip kettle]

we can party finder for a game i have lights out snipers atm

[hearty wolf]

Kk 2?

2m

[tulip kettle]

too spooky for halloween

yeah np

[zealous wing]

i'd offer mine but, nothing to krak

also, its only h25

[tulip kettle]

its always time for krak

[zealous wing]

garden, stims, ventpurge sniper

[tulip kettle]

just a little bit of krak

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-eric-cartman-just-a-little-bit-of-crack-crack-drugs-gif-5295946

[zealous wing]

its also logistratum

so its just a little bit of ew

[hearty wolf]

Idc

[zealous wing]

happy to offer mine if PF doesnt have anything appealing

[hearty wolf]

Come Hex

you will be fine

[zealous wing]

doubt

[hearty wolf]

just press left click

[zealous wing]

i've also been playing like ass recently

[hearty wolf]

you're ass

wait

that's not what I mean

it was supposed to be cute-

😭

[zealous wing]

lol

[tulip kettle]

yeah idm doing yours hex

i see a beans

[strong gulch]

prewashed

[tulip kettle]

that makes 4?

[strong gulch]

huh?

[tulip kettle]

you join us yes?

(its not a question im not asking)

[strong gulch]

brain is tired

i can try

[zealous wing]

i do need a few minutes

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/belle-beauty-and-the-beast-not-request-disney-gif-5165605

[tulip kettle]

i wish i was attractive as that sexy lump of fur

everyone knows the beast is peak male physique

such a glow down when he turns into generic bimbo

[strong gulch]

ngl lie

the first time I saw the movie I was like. "AHHHH it's a man!!"

[tulip kettle]

belle clearly feels the same

absolute dissapointment when she sees him

[winged trail]

where do they find these brain burst spammers man

[austere warren]

People like blowing up brains

[royal totem]

Wut?

[hazy birch]

is there a way to track your actual crit chance?

[proper osprey]

With mods

[hazy birch]

such basic, rudimentary information. gated behind mods

recommendation on the mod?

[prime elk]

scoreboard or powerdi

[proper osprey]

I’m pretty sure it’s just called show crit chance

[prime elk]

oh like your current crit chance

yeah

[strong gulch]

I was scared.

[royal totem]

._.

Potato scared of men

[dense moon]

if mods are able to easily make everything visible- why dont they just natively add the ability to see stuff?

[hazy birch]

how creative

lol

[proper osprey]

Too much work

They don’t wanna

[dense moon]

to copy paste the mods into the game?

[proper osprey]

Honestly a game changer mod for me is danger zone

[prime elk]

stop cheating

reee

[proper osprey]

Seeing explosions and outlines guh

[hazy birch]

danger zone, custom UI, scoreboard, healthbars, all kinds of stuff should be in the game

[proper osprey]

I love it because I hate barrels

[hazy birch]

tells u everything tho. pox bursters, demon hosts, all of it

[dense moon]

i hate how player characters dont have much of a defense against being launched off a ledge by an explosion aside from "just dont get hit if you dont want to insta die"

unless we do- do we? is there a way to not get launched into orbit from a barrel/burster?

[prime elk]

why would we have a defense against those besides good positioning and awareness though

[dense moon]

well i dont know, because i asked nicely for an area of effect indicator?

[hazy birch]

awareness given by mods like danger zone

[white sky]

I hate to sound like an asshole but the answer is to know where the barrel is and then avoid it

[dense moon]

to learn to avoid means one must have a time when they did not learn, love the "just dont die to it next time" learning methid /gen

[hazy birch]

feckin barrels everywhere tho

[white sky]

I mean, its a red barrel yk?

[prime elk]

or at hte very least make sure you're not near ledges

or being very careful when you're near ledges

gotta show barrels and ledges the proper respect

[hazy birch]

and with the powers of hell itself descending upon you numbering what feels like thousands at a time, it can be much to be tracking where all 40 of the barrels are in the room and estimating their precise zones of effect

[white sky]

Video games have conditioned me not to stand near barrels Donkey Kong

[white sky]

Aye

[hazy birch]

in a dark room. nestled somewhere behind 12 crushers and 400 zombies

[prime elk]

i had a barrel + ledge end my 4/5 ASS run once so i learned the hard way

[hazy birch]

barrels arent my big issue tho. its the fire poop on the ground

you dont know it without the mod but the aoe is bigger than it looks

[white sky]

Can always simply blow up the barrel preemptively

[hazy birch]

theres probably 50 solutions to that problem. a mod that shows u the AOE like many proper games do with their environmental hazards, is one such solution

[dense moon]

honestly, i wouldnt mind the barrels if they LIT THE GROUND UP when they are about to blow

because dying to a barrel i didnt know was triggered? im pisssed at the game.
dying because i failed to move out of the red doom? easy to accept that.

[hearty wolf]

Can I interest you in the critically acclaimed MMO FFXIV

Which has indicators for everything

[dense moon]

huh

[hazy birch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-country-for-old-men-gif-23752826

[weary idol]

I miss battle wizard being able to teleport out of bounds

[hazy birch]

how important is crit, really, to a flamer build?

im using this perk on my staff. but i have like 27% without it, and per testing it doesnt even kick in really until peril is over like 50 or something. and im not really edging 100 all the time anyways. but id like to put on the perk that reduces move penalty by 50% for some qol. i just dont know how much ill miss it

[acoustic jacinth]

crit gives double sb buildup so, yes, important

[prime elk]

yeah and i mean what else you gonna take

[acoustic jacinth]

but yes this too

every staff is crit and edging

get comfortable with being close to death

keep it at 70-80% minimum

it's just a part of the gameplay

[hazy birch]

yea 70-80 im fine but im not dancing 95-99

im not generally below 60

but that perk really doesnt crank until like 90+

[hazy birch]

the qol perk that reduces move speed penalty by 50%

[acoustic jacinth]

well, that's the minimum. aka -> flame to 100% peril, go back down to 70-80 territory, flame back to 100%, drop. 100% peril is nowhere near as dangerous as it seems, you need to actually commit an attack that builds peril yet again to blow up.

[royal totem]

It does not

[hearty wolf]

hmm

[prime elk]

yeah not worth it

[hazy birch]

ive used it. its nice. i miss it

[royal totem]

No indicators in savage. Only below that

[hazy birch]

huh?

[acoustic jacinth]

eh it's just a habit you gotta get rid of

[hazy birch]

ive ran ultimates. theres indicators across all of it

[acoustic jacinth]

stick to blaze away and nexus

[royal totem]

Was a response to Sin

[acoustic jacinth]

you'll thank yourself later

[hazy birch]

i think some mechs get them removed for savage+ but most mechs still show indicators

[royal totem]

Errr no. Like theres no aoe indicator for most savage mechs

[hazy birch]

was for mine

unless this is a recent change

with all the shit popping off u would have no idea where to stand lol

games a light show

[royal totem]

Not since heavensward. Most dont. Like theres an indicator when itd happening already or for aoe poop circle drops to not overlay but no otherwise

[hearty wolf]

talks about minority content

savage is like a drop in the ocean

[royal totem]

For normals theres an indicator an aoe gonna hit you in a few secs but not savage

In the same vein though havoc is minority content

[hearty wolf]

but iw asnt talking about havoc lol

[royal totem]

Though maybe indicators up to heresy would be nice

[hazy birch]

i mean some mechs done, but those usually have some kind of indicator letting you know the ability is hitting that spot and its up to you to know where to be for it. its definitely challenging content that most wont dare do without a prog

[royal totem]

i remember like heavensward ex trials with that stupid dragon

[hazy birch]

like doin vet hm raids in eso

[royal totem]

you wouldnt know whether tail or wings were unless you memorized them

and then people would get hit by them

[hearty wolf]

tbf

"HOT WING" an d "hot tail"

are very obvious

[royal totem]

you say that

people still got hit

[weary idol]

Yeah savage/extremes move towards having body tells rather than actual visible indicators

So you have to pay more attention

[royal totem]

then there was twin stilnness and twin silence in e8s

which i only remembered cuz of a REALLY stupid phrase

[royal totem]

idk i just memorized names of mechanics and what they did

i'm not good at noticing body tells

[hearty wolf]

people are dogshit at FF

It just is how it is

[weary idol]

My literal only experience with "high level" raiding in FFXIV was a singular extreme leviathan MiNE run

So far anyways

[royal totem]

you still play ffxiv?

[austere warren]

Takes time. All the information assistance in the world can't cover for people just needing more time for everytbing else to start sinking in. Ff14 is a broadly more casual experience first and foremost at this point in its history. Which is fine in some regards I'd say, but folks gotta pick up on how things work with the same level of investment as nearly any other mainstream ptp mmorpg.

[royal totem]

circumstances led me to quit but yeah

[weary idol]

Yeah I am baby still going through free trial content xd

[hearty wolf]

I'd disagree with "at this point in its history"

[royal totem]

i played from heavensward through endwalker

[hearty wolf]

it's been like that since Stormblood

And it just gets gradually more braindead each expansion

[royal totem]

i mean you can claim that but casual players largely keep the game alive. same with any game

[hearty wolf]

It's true but casual players can't even press a 2 minute CD on cooldown

[royal totem]

and to be honest i don't mind questing leveling and such being very easy. that part doesn't bother me in the slightest. or for normals to not be too hard

[hearty wolf]

so what's the point of making everything universal monka

[royal totem]

idk. i was just a WHM

[hearty wolf]

glareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglareglare

or well back then

[rain wren]

Ooo ffxiv

[hearty wolf]

stone

[royal totem]

you forgot there's also the DoT you have to apply

it's a VERY hard combo to learn /s

[hearty wolf]

:notlikethis:

[rain wren]

I still have an active account there well that I haven't got on in a while

[weary idol]

Literally bothered leveling WHM just because I had heard the BLOOD LILY memes only to see that I can't even get it on free trial

Because it's unlocked at fucking 74

[hearty wolf]

It is really sick when you get it though

Seeing it crit for 150k+

[rain wren]

Before realm reborn you had to level conjurer to be a paladin as gladiator

[hearty wolf]

yes but you could also cross class skills

stoneskin on pld

[royal totem]

you still had to do it until like shadowbringer or something

oh and you cross pathed to BLM i think it was for swiftcast

and etc etc

[hearty wolf]

yep that's right

[rain wren]

Yes I liked the cross skillls

[royal totem]

there were a few classes i really didn't enjoy it with but yea

overall it was fine imo

[rain wren]

But they made it now to where you can heal and get shields on your own though

[royal totem]

errrrr ok

yes you can

BUT

it's a big dps loss

and a big mana drain

[rain wren]

So it was to make up for no cross skill

[royal totem]

if you're talking on paladin

[rain wren]

You have combos to replenish mp

[hearty wolf]

You're still never casting clemency to heal unless it's giga cooked

Because it puts your atonements out of order and fucks your burst windows

[royal totem]

yeah but pld rotation unless they changed it was you have sword phase then casting phase and you want to do like 4 spells and then cofiteor iirc

[rain wren]

Yeah it all depends on how skilled your healer is

[royal totem]

i'm not a pld player so i don't know 100%

[rain wren]

But it has highest damage burst of all tanks and better at support

[royal totem]

OK so i can explain the funniest ffxiv s shit though

EH idk Dark Knight has The Blackest Night

amazing shield

so it turns out white mage's 100% heal has a spell flight time

[rain wren]

Your shield is your self heal from your mp combos

[royal totem]

so once i played with a dark knight's health by waiting till the last second of their invuln to cast it

it didn't reach them in time

[hearty wolf]

huh

since when did PLD have the highest burst dps

That can't be true

I need to check

[rain wren]

The mp combos

High burst damage

[royal totem]

think it did a bit in endwalker but unfamiliar and not sure if still true

[hearty wolf]

It definitely did not in Endwalker

[royal totem]

though it may have been warrior with like 5 fell cleaves

unsure

[rain wren]

You get it at later levels

[royal totem]

like i said though healer main and not tank player

i loved playing astrologian cuz you could blind your allies

[rain wren]

I don't remember when it starts being so high in damage

[weary idol]

I dunno even with how much damage the PLD magics do as someone who is baby and not like max level yet

I really don't see how any of the other tanks can out damage DRK's like

8 edge of darknesses

in one burst window

[hearty wolf]

Yeh I checked, PLD is definitely not the highest burst

[rain wren]

Darknight is usually main tank now and paladin is support for Darknight

[hearty wolf]

man it's so sad

my logs are archived now

how has it been so long

That one fucking WAR parse

haunting me to this day

I'm going to delete the log istf

[rain wren]

I been maining healers lately but paladin was my main at one point. I just found it more intense healing

Sage is awesome I love it at first it's difficult to figure out but once you know to rotate damage resist buffs on tank and hit the shield heals your good

[zinc phoenix]

Wonder if we’re getting another psyker type wizard dude

[rain wren]

We should need some kind of another technical mage type

Like technomancer

Be able to control machines

[narrow herald]

Mechanicus priest

[rain wren]

That too

Would be interesting they have no one that can use the heart of machine

And it is a big thing in the lore

[hearty wolf]

All the healers kind of play the same when you get down to it.

It's just a matter of how many hotbars do you need lul

[rain wren]

Lol all of them

[hearty wolf]

Before some reworks, AST and SCH needed like 4 rows and that was when they were at level 60 lmao

[rain wren]

Well 3 hotbars is more than enough they don't give you enough skills to fill it. Though I have extra bars for my chocobo, marks, emotes, and summons have their own but you don't have to make one for them summons bar just pop up

[hearty wolf]

I wonder if could find a pic of my hotbar setup

sounds hard to find

lemme see

[rain wren]

The recent version of the game got rid of a lot of skills

I had to remake my hotbars many times

They wanted it more simple for newer players. It used to be dungeons were harder because players had lots of skills. Now they simplified a lot of things

[hearty wolf]

Can only find this WAR one but that was before it got expanded

DRK's was much bigger

Cos well. WAR has no buttons lul

Obh cool

I forgot I had so much commissioned art

[rain wren]

That's actually not much different from current darknight

[hazy birch]

how bout them psykers eh?

[rain wren]

My dancer

[hazy birch]

like holy shit i seen som derailed threads

but this is out there lmao

[hearty wolf]

Yusss

Viera supremacy

That's the only reason I kept playing FF for as long as I did

For my bunny

[rain wren]

Lol

I love the bunny

[hearty wolf]

I only quit because I would spend my weekends logging for 15h a day and half that time was spent waiting for a healer

[royal totem]

i really like Vieras

[hearty wolf]

I love Fran

She makes me week

weak

[royal totem]

Fran is great

[hearty wolf]

see i can't even spell correctly

I love FF12 as well but that's a hot take

[royal totem]

i never played ff12 sadly

[rain wren]

Oh I am a healer

Lol

[royal totem]

oh god

i just looked at how many ffxiv hours i have played

[rain wren]

I don't know mine since I switch consoles a lot. I started on ps3 then pc and now Xbox x series

[royal totem]

i had a pretty good friend in game and then we had a fight and that ended a good friendship and then i.......didn't particularily want to play anymore. came back for one raid tier and then stopped

[rain wren]

Lol

It's gotten more intense in raids

[royal totem]

i guess i'm a kinda needy type of friend though so i try not to make friends

if i don't have friends i don't have to suffer when i lose them is the philosophy

but yea. 8300 hours

of ffxiv

[acoustic jacinth]

Well, it works if you can manage well in solitude. But then again, working with the problem at hand is always better despite being difficult

[hearty wolf]

I probablt have close to 20-30k but I'd have to check

[hearty wolf]

Aw

No I totally feel that about friends

like I really get ut

[royal totem]

I manage pretty well. Im an extreme introvert

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeah i get it

There are a lot of factors, now more than ever that can turn someone towards solitude

[rain wren]

They ask me if I'm an introvert or extrovert and I say pervert

[acoustic jacinth]

It's natural but it can eat away at you even while unaware

I'm just vert

[austere warren]

There was definitely a time when the game was definitely a very different experience from what I've seen and have been told. I wouldn't entirely say that it hasn't had that more casual angle to it but definitely well beyond where the game started before a realm reborn (which was a colossal mess).

[ripe obsidian]

Who needs friends

[acoustic jacinth]

My space marines talk to me

[rain wren]

Tell them to be your meat shields

[acoustic jacinth]

They be my meat shields? My brothers shall not find me lacking in sacrifice

[hearty wolf]

I like this guy

[royal totem]

so many years later i recall it well though. my friend started an fc and he got a new member. so he stopped playing with me and only with them cuz he wanted to make them feel welcome. and i.....said i felt ignored once in friendly terms then in less friendly terms and then he said i was too needy and that was it lol

[austere warren]

Unfortunate.

[royal totem]

OH NO. what do they say when you say that

[rain wren]

It's a joke

[royal totem]

oh ._.

[rain wren]

Lol

[royal totem]

sorry i no good at telling what's a joke

[rain wren]

Most of the time I'm not serious so it's usual

[austere warren]

"Most"

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[acoustic jacinth]

Not to sound like an absolute ancient but i also think it's a shift in culture/way of thinking that's happened lately. Most younger people seem to lack the level of loyalty/bonds in friendships. More precisely, it's like people forget that friendships have responsibilities too

It's a give and take

[austere warren]

(Kidding. Idk you fr)

[acoustic jacinth]

Both sides must be actively putting in effort

[rain wren]

I'm innocent

[austere warren]

You're Innocent? You sure you want to be that?

Only Innocent I know is a hellhole of a period piece.

=_=

[acoustic jacinth]

Innocence proves nothing

[hearty wolf]

Is true

[royal totem]

friendships are hard :3

[austere warren]

Well that's a passive in a game so.

[acoustic jacinth]

Partly luck partly your own effort. Like most things in life. All i'd say is do not underestimate the need for socialization. You might not feel it now but you will later

[austere warren]

I'll never get to try out SMN when it used to have more direct summon controls and dot. 😭

[royal totem]

if Innocence proved anything, we wouldnt all be rejects on the morningstar

[hearty wolf]

For the better

Managing pets was a complete pain in the fucking ass

[acoustic jacinth]

That's the inquisition babeeehh

[hearty wolf]

Back then as well, you had class skill points

so you kind of were pushed to play either smn or sch

Or your gear would be fucked

[austere warren]

Well my psyker did actually commit dereliction of duty. But not for the reasons that a legal distinction would matter to them.

[royal totem]

LOL

[austere warren]

My veteran doesn't recognize sedition as a crime. More of an aspiration.

[royal totem]

you still kinda get gear fcked playing smn with scholar gear or vice versa btw. cuz diff stats

[hearty wolf]

you can't tho

[royal totem]

damn. what a good soul

[hearty wolf]

play smn with sch gear anymore

[rain wren]

To be honest I like the new version better than the old since they are not just carbuncles

[royal totem]

wouldn't really know. the last time i played scholar was in stormblood early stormblood

[rain wren]

The new one you actually summon primals

The old one was just different types of carbuncles

[royal totem]

i remember

back in the day

[hazy birch]

i got someone in a game with me that had the brittleness perk on flame staff. and bros pumping

[royal totem]

tanks had a hard time generating enough aggro

[rain wren]

They didn't turn on their tank stance and use aoe

[royal totem]

and so your aggro would get ripped off you by a BLM or some other classes that had big big dps combo

[weary idol]

weirdly common issue in some MMOs

playing SWTOR reminded me that this is like a "thing" in older MMOs

tanks straight don't have tools to take aggro back from DPS if they don't get it immediately

[royal totem]

and paladins really liked flashing enemies 😏

[weary idol]

your taunt is literally it

[austere warren]

The zealot was probably the most "innocent" amongst the entire spread of characters if I wanted to endorse a horseshit empire's laws. They just got played by one of their own in order to preserve their position ala classic political cannibalism of fascism via imperium.

The ogryn committed insubordination by not standing down after confrontation with a cowardly commanding officer who was more upset that loose ends survived an operation in order to extend their own corruption rackets (like military organized crime antics, not like chaos whatever).

[royal totem]

and some people would pretend that was an amazing "mechanic" for aggro to work that way

but in reality it was shit

[weary idol]

yeah tanks not being able to grab aggro is horrible

[hearty wolf]

Nah it was good ngl

[weary idol]

if a tank cannot grab aggro they cannot do their job

[rain wren]

Been a while since I played swtor but I believe there were attacks that kept it

[hearty wolf]

Because you had so many tools to deal with it and it provided some sick interactions

For example in Heavensward

[royal totem]

i think some vet personalitys are innocent

[austere warren]

I can see why. I just like companion controls for that added layer of execution.

[hearty wolf]

Nin's shade shift would completely immune an attack

So you would have the tanks drop aggro for the NIN

So they take the tank buster

[weary idol]

That sounds incredibly fucking stupid and unintuitive

And I am glad that is gone

[royal totem]

it was shit

you'd go into Sastasha normal the first time

[strong gulch]

@tulip kettle #psyker-class message

[hazy birch]

is brittle not good on flame staff?

[weary idol]

As someone who didn't play during those times good lord it sounds like the tank role was miserable back then

[royal totem]

and think "i'm a tank i'll grab aggro" except the people playing with you are from level roulette

[rain wren]

Lol what to piss off the ninja?

[royal totem]

so you can't grab aggro cuz their gear is flat out better than you

and then all you can fcking do is run forward and hope they don't leave you way behind

[hearty wolf]

Lmaooo I remember those days

[austere warren]

Oh my vet's only "crime" was playing tip off and sabotage for smuggling rings connected to her hive gang past.

Her way of trying to make it possibly easier for hive urchin lookouts to have better pickings to stay alive a little longer.

[hearty wolf]

Tanks just not having real gear

so dps would tank

Aurum vale moments

Then you just vote kick the tank and get someone else lul

[royal totem]

mmmmm ............

[austere warren]

Headcanon gaming.

[rain wren]

Oh under gear tanks

[hearty wolf]

Undergear tanks were ASS

You see these mongoloids queue in with crafter gear

[hazy birch]

^

[proper osprey]

Not really

[hazy birch]

gotta keep this fresh among the ffxiv chat

[royal totem]

it wasn't fun when you were the undergear tank trying your hardest. i wasn't using crafter gear either. just literally what i could get my hands on

[proper osprey]

It’s better to run nexus and blaze away

[austere warren]

That's cool in a really weird way tbh

[patent mango]

guys #zealot-class is for non darktide games

[hazy birch]

this guy was crankin tho

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/dooly-gif-19284362

[proper osprey]

I can bypass that weakness with uncanny

[hazy birch]

and both psykers were running warp siphon

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warpfire-skaven-clan-skryre-warpfire-thrower-gif-12960378359470831154

[hazy birch]

i been using DD

[royal totem]

noted and immeadiately ignored

[hearty wolf]

You were probs not managing something correctly. The only way you'd typically lose dungeon aggro is if dps not using their emnity tools or you have a whm who wouldn't use shroud but had max piety to spam cure 3

[rain wren]

I was paladin till sage came into the game. Then I started playing all the healers

[proper osprey]

For inferno?

Das silly

[hearty wolf]

I do think aggro was way better back then though. You had a reason to stance swap or drop stances all together

now it's just a toggle

like how braindead

[hazy birch]

ramping damage?

[royal totem]

i mean........to be fair i was leveling and such so your first class you generally don't understand these things

[austere warren]

I like the dex bastards and shyster-coded classes.

[hazy birch]

i just feel like shit every time i use an ability and know all my stacks poofed on me

[weary idol]

yeah this sounds stupid in the context of a dungeon

[hearty wolf]

Oh it's not slander, I totally hear you

[weary idol]

I think tank swap mechanics in 8 man content should be much more common though

[hearty wolf]

You wouldn't do it in a dungeon anyway

actually

DRK would

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-inferno-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button try this

[royal totem]

though

[austere warren]

Only reason why I'm some rava viera from Limsa who likes splitting open heads with big dumbfuck axes.

[weary idol]

Otherwise like off-tank just is kinda wimpy dps

[hearty wolf]

but that's because they were insanely broken

[weary idol]

Or you fight for aggro for the fuck of it

[austere warren]

WAR fun.

[royal totem]

Then they came out with Shirk

and Shirk

lemme tell you

[hearty wolf]

The only fun part of 24 mans is aggro fighting

[royal totem]

it's so fun

[hearty wolf]

I love shirking to murder people

It's so fun

[weary idol]

yes

24 mans I WILL fist fight the other 2 tanks for aggro

[austere warren]

I do it to party fuckheads.

[proper osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1434013467022725243/ezgif-584857aa029921.gif

[rain wren]

The 8 man yeah since there is a support tank when main tank is fucked

[weary idol]

provoke is now a part of my rotation, good luck everybody else

[hearty wolf]

The amount of times I COOKED my dancer in DSR

[royal totem]

see the BLM or ninja that refuses to use their aggro tools?

Just shirk them

[austere warren]

Rogues with tricks of the trade moment.

[proper osprey]

I’ve become a currency

[royal totem]

there's some 8 man content that requires the offtank to take the next tankbuster or so on so forth

[weary idol]

I have actually killed a WHM with shirk for using cure 1 in Shisui already actually

[hearty wolf]

Either way I still think HW was peak in terms of gameplay but not QoL (cooldowns not resetting between pulls was aids)

[weary idol]

I was playing Warrior so I knew DAMN WELL I was not going to suffer for their passing

[royal totem]

cuz there are some tankbusters that will leave nasty nasty debuffs

[hearty wolf]

but the actual classes were way more fun