things heating up in psyker chat
#psyker-class
patent mango
tulip kettle
i think you dont understand what i said
hazy birch
Recon feels better
patent mango
well mettle is less important this update
hazy birch
Unless the laspistol is putting out bolt gun damage, I'm good off it
patent mango
and psyker wont get vaporized without EE being up instantly
young cliff
You said that recons are better than LasPistol, they might feel better but the LasPistol are genuinely strong, would say stronger
patent mango
yeah but both me ttle and perfect timing work out well with laspistol
summer prairie
Laspistol is quite a bit more damage with a bit more effort. Recon is easier and slightly safer due to your clip lasting longer for EE
tulip kettle
and yeah sure mettle is so pointless, who wants a a button to give 15% movespeed? on top of your other stacking movespeed buffs
summer prairie
for mettle/perfect timing they are the same
tulip kettle
its another upside yeah
patent mango
laspistol gets so m uch crit chance
tulip kettle
they arent the same, its much quicker and easier to stack mettle and pt to max with a burst from recon than spamming laspistol
im not talking about dps here
young cliff
and yeah sure mettle is so pointless, who wants a a button to give 15% movespeed...
With how much crit psyker has mettle is quite easy to proc all across the board
summer prairie
perfect timing uptime nearly 100% with like everything, laspistol has very high crit rate
tulip kettle
its the RATE at which you MAX IT
patent mango
yeah but that doesnt really matter much
and you might have those up before switching to your gun anyways
patent mango
that ones crazy
tulip kettle
i have both
hazy birch
I feel like my hairiest moments are when I'm surrounded by hordes and trying to slash them down
summer prairie
Laspistol default movement speed is also higher
tulip kettle
it also builds peril easily on pushing
im not saying its bad in any way
but you have to have better aim and it doesnt stack on crit buffs at the same rate as recon, so for me, i prefer recon
summer prairie
I use recon but only because of EE reliability
hazy birch
Recon feels like an m249
tulip kettle
that is one example of on crit buffs yeah
young cliff
I use recon but only because of EE reliability
EE seriously feels unfair, making it % ranged damage negation would achieve similar results without being so busted ngl
tulip kettle
ee needs to be like it is
young cliff
Like you can sit in front of 3 reapers and laught
young cliff
ee needs to be like it is
Lies
patent mango
EE seriously feels unfair, making it % ranged damage negation would achieve simi...
yeah psyker might need some tuning like that
tulip kettle
if it wasnt like it is it would effectively be useless in harder content
patent mango
i fear it might make bubble used even more though
patent mango
if it wasnt like it is it would effectively be useless in harder content
50% or more ranged dr would already make EE crazy
young cliff
if it wasnt like it is it would effectively be useless in harder content
It would force you to dodge slide and other things, but you would still be effective as anti gunner
tulip kettle
you already have to do those things unless youre using recon
summer prairie
You can make it all damage dr for ranged only or toughness dr with a longer duration
patent mango
the real problem with it is just bubble meta
tulip kettle
if its not like it is you wont see it used without recon, and bubble becomes hard meta
patent mango
ee is like s+ tier it can take some nerfs
young cliff
I guarantee you that 50% damage negation would still let it see lots of use
patent mango
if anything maybe making it 50% ranged dr and 1.2s dura might work out
actually idek the uptime is fine
tulip kettle
50% ranged DR means you will die in under a second in H40
patent mango
yeah but then you have all thet new dr
summer prairie
okay, you've other sources of dr and other classes can manage
tulip kettle
other classes manage by doing one of a few things
young cliff
50% damage negated ON TOP of all the Dr you get
tulip kettle
either zealot sliding at the gunners or standing behind cover being unsupressable and shooting them one by one on vet or using shield etc on ogryn
patent mango
its defo one of the more reasonable spots to nerf psyker
patent mango
do people even use that in havoc
isnt the reason it gets buffed every 5 minutes the usage rate
young cliff
80% of arby Exe stance is strong, on a class that can build for good ranged damage I feel 50% is gine
patent mango
but yeah remove the 50% quell from it or something lol
tulip kettle
the reason it doesnt get used in havoc is because of the requirement for inferno
summer prairie
nerf some of purg/shriek/ee
tulip kettle
it doesnt do cara damage.
patent mango
rending stuff
tulip kettle
yes uncanny stacking
young cliff
Also why psy aura is 60%? Why not 30 with such good uptime?
languid fable
Uncanny interactions need to be removed
tulip kettle
blah blah im so sick of this im gonna go play the game
wraith sphinx
the psy aura nerf ws a slap on the wrist
tulip kettle
wahh waahh psyker too good
patent mango
60% psy aura is fine
wraith sphinx
buuut does man care
languid fable
Actually blessings interacting with anything other than the intended weapon like bleed nades should be removed
wraith sphinx
I think psyker should never be nerfed ever 😇
patent mango
holy hell this is facts give sg 20% ms talent built in
languid fable
Yes sciers needs a buff
patent mango
we must buff scriers every update and definitely not dclaw
wraith sphinx
yeah cos you a dclaw hater 🙁
tulip kettle
SG is overtuned and dclaw needs buffs, that much is obvious to anyone
wraith sphinx
maybe if you stopped hating fs would buff...
patent mango
dclaw is the most aweesomest weapon in darktide
it does a lot of cool stuff and things i think
tulip kettle
i personally think its pretty cool actually
languid fable
dclaw is bad? got it, buffing psyker immediately
tulip kettle
but the lack of ranged that can deal with cara makes it not really viable
wraith sphinx
wait no I get it
patent mango
this is so sad can we reduce sg cooldown to 5 seconds
young cliff
yeah cos you a dclaw hater 🙁
ObeseFish is a DClaw hater, giving their niche to the DS
wraith sphinx
we all pester 
to buff dclaw
they buff assail instead
tulip kettle
the parry on dclaw and DS work pretty differently
languid fable
we all pester <:fatshark:1016285431194718278> to buff dclaw
they buff assail ins...
Assail so bad, my auto aiming missiles can't kill armored
young cliff
we all pester <:fatshark:1016285431194718278> to buff dclaw
they buff assail ins...
Assail now pierce caparace and instakill gunners
wraith sphinx
+stunlocks Karnak twins
young cliff
While in bubble
royal totem
make assail do a bleedsplosion
young cliff
i think assail should explode
Real talk? I feel EP should make assail change into 5 chunks of crystals that explode like mini grenades on impact
languid fable
Each assail crystal spawns a krak grenade when it touches an enemy
patent mango
i think ep should make assail into 1 giant slow death shard
young cliff
It now can nuke Pogryns
royal totem
That..wouldnt be broken at all
languid fable
EP assail should spawn a shard that traverses the whole map and kills everything in front of you. In exchange you generate 10% more peril to make it balanced.
tulip kettle
ill take logical fallacies for 100 please alex
bright summit
Yes sciers needs a buff
its really weak they should give it the movespeed by default
patent mango
we should give the single strongest buff possible to SG....
when you use it... it brings brunt back
rich spindle
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foggy smelt
Does "perils generation" affects peril gained because of taking dmg (Just a Dream) or blocking (Kinetic Deflection)?
patent mango
yea
foggy smelt
perils generation is multiplicative, right?
So there is no sence in stacking -10% many times?
patent mango
i think so
weary idol
Does "perils generation" affects peril gained because of taking dmg (Just a Drea...
Kinetic Deflection is also affected by stamina and block effficiency
stamina more so
tulip kettle
So there is no sence in stacking -10% many times?
what do you mean?
yes its multiplicative but this doesnt mean there isnt a benefit in stacking sources of peril generation reduction
foggy smelt
I need one point to have more Disrupt Destiny time. I can get that point with removing Battle Meditation or Anticipation.
marble crater
Inner Tranquility can go to hell
tulip kettle
hes not using inner tranq with DD
marble crater
It can still go to hell
thorn cedar
rip unlucky for some
foggy smelt
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marble crater
Eh wtf
foggy smelt
Ok, preparing link
boreal swallow
Real talk? I feel EP should make assail change into 5 chunks of crystals that ex...
Add bleed on impact, an additional hit, and explode on final hit for a few stacks of bleed.
patent mango
this guy cheating get him
tulip kettle
once youre done press view build and post the link
marble crater
Or just do it on your phone and take a screenshot, the best way
tulip kettle
just anything so we have an image of the tree not an eldritch incantation
marble crater
Probably summoned Nurgle into our next missions
patent mango
wait was that command actually usable somewhere
quartz barn
too toxic 
proper osprey
What did you do?
Do not post dogs reacting to septic tank diving
You will be banned for scat related content
marble crater
I see
foggy smelt
foggy smelt
I use Shredder againt monstrosities or to hit distant targets with that single bulett that will trigger bb
hazy birch
Almost verbatim what I made for mine
tulip kettle
assuming you are trying to get cruel fortune
hazy birch
But I use assail, and filled in my DD tree. Few other changes
marble crater
assuming you are trying to get cruel fortune
and then switch to perfectionism I assume
foggy smelt
I am not good with managing peril, so I limit it as much I can. For me it is battle mage with mana shield.
tulip kettle
perfectionism can be not great in lower difficulties
yeah ultimately this tree doesnt care about peril at all
marble crater
Don't play lower difficulties then, smh
tulip kettle
you just want to keep it as high as possible with SG
hazy birch
If you're using scriers, you don't need to manage peril
tulip kettle
Don't play lower difficulties then, smh
noted, i will upgrade to heresy and try not to die
marble crater
If you have trouble, I know someone who can carryien you
tulip kettle
shes too mean to me 🙁
hazy birch
Especially with psykinetics aura. I think I have like a 90% scriers uptime in combat
foggy smelt
yeah ultimately this tree doesnt care about peril at all
Besides using it as resource for block / dmg reduction. That is why I was asking about stacking -x% perils generation. If it is worth it, or can I spend it to get +dmg.
marble crater
Damn, what a flamer
tulip kettle
Besides using it as resource for block / dmg reduction. That is why I was asking...
yeah dont worry about getting peril reduction at all
you literally just dont need it on this build
you can block forever
you have KD and warp ghost
foggy smelt
Thx for help 🙂
quartz barn
shes too mean to me 🙁
arent you on console?
tulip kettle
nope
marble crater
that's me
marble crater
Console can't ads, we don't have d or s buttons
harsh salmon
questions
does this not work on normal enemies
and does this not work with the guarantied crit on the greatsword?
ripe obsidian
It works. But if you kill an enemy on the crit, they die before they get any fire.
And the special attack on the greatsword does not apply fire.
Blazing Spirit is quite underwhelming on melee.
tulip kettle
essentially its fucking terrible, doesnt work how you want it to or think it should
harsh salmon
And the special attack on the greatsword does not apply fire.
thats cringe imo
marble crater
Soulblaze on melee is indeed very cringe
tulip kettle
we all agree with your opinion
harsh salmon
nah im talking about the crit not applying the soul blaze
tulip kettle
if the warp slash could apply blaze, then blazing + warp slice would be awesome
but it desnt so its poop
well, crits do apply blaze, to enemies you actually hit with the sword
but, if you crit with the sword the thing you hit is dead
marble crater
I just want soulblaze in a small aoe on hit instead of crit
tulip kettle
so it doesnt get fire
and if youre doing it into trash mobs, yes technically the trash you cleave into but dont kill will get fire, but its just going to die in the next hit / when you do warp slash anyway so its a waste of time
marble crater
If we are really honest it's not even a melee problem, it's a Blazing Spirit problem, because the only reason it even works on Voidblast is because the radius for applying it is so much bigger than the radius for damage. It's bad on Voidstrike too and if it wasn't for the interaction on Voidblast it would be bad there as well 
tulip kettle
its not even that good on voidblast now
6 stack cap hurts it a LOT
if it could stack to 12 that would be much better, but really blazing trauma leans very heavily on creeping flames
marble crater
It's OP in lights out missions though
tulip kettle
play it without creeping flames and see how OP it really is (its not)
meanwhile SG + recon + assail + DD go brrrrrrrrrrrr
marble crater
It will still show all the enemies in the dark though
tulip kettle
so does a flashlight
quartz barn
the only reason its op in lights out is because pubs get to play the game
marble crater
My staves don't have a flashlight
quartz barn
which is either positive or negative depending on your mood to carry
marble crater
Voidblast has kind of a flashspot I guess
tulip kettle
console peasants cant even mod a light source into lights out smh
marble crater
We don't need them, because we also don't have OLED monitors
quartz barn
i mean i can mod in a flashlight but just dont
tulip kettle
theres a lantern mod which is pretty cosy
open iris
My staves don't have a flashlight
Flamestaff sort of acts like one, I might install that mod that makes the flames more transparent
deft stump
I see people need to be flamer'd.
ripe obsidian
if the warp slash could apply blaze, then blazing + warp slice would be awesome
It would be an arguably better Creeping Flames. Well, not better, since it would still cap at 6 or 8 or whatever. But it would be on-demand, immediate, spammable soulblaze and horde clear on FGS. Like the bleed macro with bistol
There would be balance issues, more than Psyker already has
hazy birch
Why do people favor the mk6c over the mk12 recon lasgun?
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> she found us, it's over
hazy birch
They seem to do the same DPS but the mk12 kills shit quicker
ripe obsidian
I think people do favor the 12?
hazy birch
When I first started this journey several people said to "run the one with the C"
tulip kettle
one guy said that
ripe obsidian
Other classes? Why would you want such a thing?
tulip kettle
i immediately said he was wrong
hazy birch
Pretty sure at least 2 did but 🤷
tulip kettle
catmiral notorious troll
hazy birch
i immediately said he was wrong
I missed that ig
tulip kettle
i think he also told you to take blazing spirit on your FGS.
hazy birch
Yea the 12 cooks imo. Running that going forward
ripe obsidian
Do not do that
deft stump
Why do people favor the mk6c over the mk12 recon lasgun?
VIc is more for vets memeing with INF recon ammo.
marble crater
Do not do that
Do not the blazing spirit
hazy birch
Blazing spirit?
deft stump
Because that mark literally is insanely ammo efficient.
hazy birch
Yea I could see ammo efficiency
deft stump
Unless you spray at hordes.
marble crater
It's a vet, of course they magdump into hordes
solid pond
catmiral notorious troll
rude
marble crater
Why are you even playing vet if you don't?
tulip kettle
rude, but factual
deft stump
It's a vet, of course they magdump into hordes
I will frag you, twice.
marble crater
I will frag you, twice.
With your luck of triggering twin blast you are fragging nobody twice
deft stump
Lower difficulties
That doesn't count. You can literally shoot everything in uprising and malice.
deft stump
With your luck of triggering twin blast you are fragging nobody twice
I have 4 frags, WDYM?
marble crater
Good luck hitting me with your ping
deft stump
solid pond
VIc is good though, I just wouldn't take either over las pistol
deft stump
Good luck hitting me with your ping
You forget, arena wide blasts.
marble crater
I dodge
tulip kettle
ROLL FOR INITATIVE
marble crater
https://tenor.com/view/nat-20-baldur's-gate-baldur's-gate-3-critical-sucess-gif-14789122616741343796
deft stump
ROLL FOR INITATIVE
You get 2 as well.
languid cipher
So, I for the first time attempted to make a build, how bad is it?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0391f94-f1d6-4c8b-b6fe-ce514f479ebb/attempt-of-survival
marble crater
Uh
modest perch
tulip kettle
its...... got some issues.
modest perch
like 2 of the curios are ok
tulip kettle
the weapons both have errors and the tree has some choices that dont make a lot of sense. what difficulty is this for?
marble crater
Inferno is 3/4 correct, that's not too bad
languid cipher
the weapons both have errors and the tree has some choices that dont make a lot ...
idk as high as I can get, not really big on making builds, which seems to be easy to spot by all your reactions
marble crater
Change carapace to crit chance or unyielding, I would do unyielding
tulip kettle
its no problem dude we all start somewhere
hazy birch
That doesn't count. You can literally shoot everything in uprising and malice.
Talking heresy and damnation
deft stump
And sometimes, we never change. All the funni builds.
tulip kettle
marble crater
And then I would check the pinned builds here and maybe ask if you want to understand some choices, that's better than people picking apart your build 
tulip kettle
this is sort of the base line shriek + inferno build
leaving you 3 points to put where you like
deft stump
Talking heresy and damnation
I mean, heresy would work. Dunno about damnation and aurics cos ammo war.
tulip kettle
if you struggle with peril management, you could take these
marble crater
Warp Ghost is right there
summer prairie
I'd say EE instead of ogryn damage would be the base
modest perch
is perfect timing rly necessary ?
tulip kettle
if you want better survivability, you could take some of these
blah blah its all to taste
languid cipher
if you struggle with peril management, you could take these
will definetly start here then, since I do go boom more often than not
marble crater
That's not ideal
tulip kettle
i said its a base tree and has 3 points left over. mine looks like this
and then the other change to make is your duelling sword; it should look like this :
the other blessing and perk are again to taste, common choices would be unyielding or maniacs for the perk, and thrust, agile or shred for the blessing
tulip kettle
indeed
tulip kettle
yeah yeah
modest perch
precog/riposte
tulip kettle
theres a reason i said to taste
i like thrust these days
agile is very good for survivability and does also give damage
marble crater
I use uncanny and thrust (I don't use DS at all)
summer prairie
What's your precog uptime like
tulip kettle
elitists dont like it
modest perch
idk i should probably get the mod
tulip kettle
ultimately i dont actually think theres much of a reason to use DS over deimos on psyker
modest perch
agile is very good for survivability and does also give damage
i did not realize they buffed it
im just not great with deimos. i also wanna have a weapon that i can sorta move around with yknow ? staves are so heavy ...
marble crater
ultimately i dont actually think theres much of a reason to use DS over deimos o...
There isn't, blocking bullets is funny and cool
tulip kettle
deimos has great mobility and has the most broken mechanic of all
uncanny force pushing
modest perch
i know i know
languid cipher
what is mobility for? just speed of dashes or smth like that?
open iris
Is there anything to use the stave special for?
modest perch
what is mobility for? just speed of dashes or smth like that?
the stat ?
ripe obsidian
i said its a base tree and has 3 points left over. mine looks like this
I have templates in the guide ahhhhhhhhhhh
open iris
what is mobility for? just speed of dashes or smth like that?
Speed, dodge distance iirc
modest perch
Is there anything to use the stave special for?
making a slug puke up your fren
tulip kettle
I have templates in the guide ahhhhhhhhhhh
yes but i dont want to inflate your ego 🙃
open iris
making a slug puke up your fren
Big stagger?
marble crater
I have templates in the guide ahhhhhhhhhhh
We are slowly but surely undermining your position as ruler of the meta
tulip kettle
just kidding, tomes of knowledge are intimidating for newbies
open iris
I'mma try that
modest perch
yea if u hit em in the weakspot on the back they puke
ripe obsidian
We are slowly but surely undermining your position as ruler of the meta
This is reasonable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tenure_of_Kings_and_Magistrates
ripe obsidian
just kidding, tomes of knowledge are intimidating for newbies
It is true. Hard to find a way to make it more appealing.
tulip kettle
it doesnt need to be
its great, just asking someone to read a 60 page document is a lot
patent mango
oh did you guys hear
modest perch
It is true. Hard to find a way to make it more appealing.
it should take the form of an actual tome bound in leather and necromantic sorcery
patent mango
they plan on adding 5 more classes to this game next psykertide update
modest perch
graceful arch
they plan on adding 5 more classes to this game next psykertide update
They are all psyker
tulip kettle
https://tenor.com/view/liar-why-the-fuck-you-lyin-dancing-why-the-fuck-why-are-you-lying-gif-7431053
patent mango
sanctic psyker big psyker law psyker experienced psyker
modest perch
ogryn psyker
tulip kettle
he said that, bigly psyker
young cliff
sanctic psyker big psyker law psyker experienced psyker
Will we get psyker in power armour?
patent mango
just imagine one
young cliff
Canned Sparkhead
young cliff
just imagine one
Instructions unclear, summoned psyker Tyranid
patent mango
timber cairn
how does Havoc work now? I have done a H27, but when i try to list myself, it doesn't apear to have the H27 marker on it
tulip kettle
your assignment rank is not your clearance rank
if you go to the terminal and speak to dukane you can see your current assignment and the rank it is
its likely to be rank 2 or something.
hazy birch
What setup y'all run on fgs?
timber cairn
its likely to be rank 2 or something.
it's rank 30
but still doesn't show up when listing
tulip kettle
timber cairn
What setup y'all run on fgs?
tulip kettle
you need to set the listing to your current assignment
dont listen to this
again with the fucking blazing spirit
just scroll up dude
patent mango
blazing spirit sword jumpscare oooo ooo
tulip kettle
"i get my builds from gameslantern" ass nonsense
timber cairn
built it myself but sure
- this was my last game on havoc so. It's not like it doesn't work
royal totem
Mr. E logic?
young cliff
"i get my builds from gameslantern" ass nonsense
Tbh is that or YouTubers nonsense for those not blessed with the capacity to make builds because we are busy doing irl
tulip kettle
or, you know
the psyker chat
that you are currently in
with six's incredibly detailed and accurate guide
or people who clear 40's every day
timber cairn
languid cipher
the other blessing and perk are again to taste, common choices would be unyieldi...
well, it definetly feels like the build is not fighting against me
timber cairn
What setup y'all run on fgs?
short story. Blazing spirit or unstable
languid cipher
thanke
timber cairn
nah, i've tested both, and Blazing works better. But you're welcome to your opinion. I'm not gonna try to flame you for having it
royal totem
I dont trust h40 clearers.
tulip kettle
its not an opinion, and it doesnt work better, i think you dont understand how it works
timber cairn
ANYWAY, this was fun as always dom
young cliff
H40 clearers van do their own shit that is sub optimal
tulip kettle
quick i better post my havoc forged title as proof that blazing spirit is a good melee blessing
verbal thistle
You can clear havoc with any setup. But understanding the different in what blessings actually achieve for you is different then just having the title
patent mango
+ this was my last game on havoc so. It's not like it doesn't work
might be a godo idea to find a warpfire dmg scoreboard
graceful arch
Funny bleed swap FGS build let's go
tulip kettle
some 40's from today. Blazing spirit is essentially non functional on force swords for the reasons we discussed here #psyker-class message
verbal thistle
You can clear havoc with any setup. But understanding the different in what bles...
Not understanding leads to common mistakes
As over confidence, spreading misinformation, etc
plucky flax
I dont trust h40 clearers.
Tru I've never cleared it myself
patent mango
h40 hasnt been cleared by anyone yet its too scary
patent mango
the only way we'd clear it is with the new god emperor class
summer prairie
It's difficult to estimate the efficacy of many blessings/talents without stats to back it up. Basically needed Uptime to actually make a bit better informed decisions regarding blessings in particular. Doesn't matter how good you are or how many hours you've played
patent mango
of course they'd have to use duelling sword
white sky
Need a mod to see what's providing value, need a mod to see what that thing even does to begin with
Need a mod to see how you're doing in general
verbal thistle
Because fatshark doesn't tell the player anything
VT had a okayish system
Scoreboard only at the end
open iris
I have a mod that tells me my kills cause I like seeing the number go up
white sky
VT felt less opaque than DT
verbal thistle
Yes
white sky
Tbf to properly test things in DT you still need a mod
summer prairie
Yes
open iris
Tbf to properly test things in DT you still need a mod
I just test my efficiency in the psykanium
How I do against 50 groaners and such
verbal thistle
But it was a pretty straight forwards system with its armor/stagger system
white sky
How I do against 50 groaners and such
You need a mod to do that tho
open iris
Yeah
I think scoreboard is unecessary for that cause it sometimes comes down to skill anyway
royal totem
H40 clearers bring out their havoc-forged or true survivor. And you think they must be good then come into game with an autogun and dont kill shit.
plucky flax
H40 ready players 
white sky
Scoreboard let's you know if you're doing better or worse on average if you care to pay attention to it
open iris
H40 clearers bring out their havoc-forged or true survivor. And you think they m...
I'm trying to get the auric title the legit way, people that quit out because they lose their chance make me cringe
royal totem
There is an illegitimate way?
verbal thistle
Yes
open iris
If you quit out I believe you can keep your count
verbal thistle
But in this context I think they mean auric storm survivor
open iris
Which just allows them to play bad
languid cipher
Too unskilled
+1, not there yet
tulip kettle
scoreboard lets you know who is doing what in the game and allows you to compare your own metrics to yourself, its by no means a be all and end all of anything. But for example, if you have a zealot with duelling sword, zarona and throwing knives who has low overall damage but 70% of the total specials killed, you know they are being impactful in the game. the same zealot with 5% of the total specials killed is likely not doing much at all.
royal totem
What if they have every boss kill
tulip kettle
that would be another example of a metric scoreboard would allow you to see and know if they are being impactful or not
ripe obsidian
Ainz, I looked at the code for the shield wall, and best I can tell so far, it might've been a network issue that caused the net to get through? Not sure. Still looking.
As for the mutant, hitting the shield is just an electrocution stunning attack on collision with 5 impact. So if the collision didn't register or if the mutant somehow had impact or stun immunity (tox gas?) it could ignore it, I think.
tulip kettle
agree, but if there is only one player using each type of DoT then its pretty good
verbal thistle
The mutant just slowly slide his way through
young cliff
It's using lagmancy
tulip kettle
if im the only psyker in the game and there is only one zealot then the ownership of warpfire or burning is likely to be pretty accurate
verbal thistle
Fair point
ripe obsidian
I don't know enough about the broadphase collision detection to give a better answer
tulip kettle
its kinda fun, but i learned in mutie maelstrom that it just betrays you too often
ripe obsidian
I think it's this code.
tulip kettle
sometimes bursters will also dive right through it
if its not reliable and you cant trust it it loses a lot of value imo
ripe obsidian
There are a ton of if statements here that I don't fully understand
Like
if is_colliding and not units_inside[unit] then
royal totem
does Darktide run off spaghetti code?
ripe obsidian
Yes.
summer prairie
royal totem
this doesn't inspire confidence
young cliff
Flat wall is so strong
Ainz love walls as much as me, I am joy 
summer prairie
so not even latency related most likely
quartz barn
cant tell if any got blocked
you can see 2 of them go through
but idk if more get shot that actually get blocked
ripe obsidian
so not even latency related most likely
Fair. I am still trying to figure it out
summer prairie
usually blocked
ripe obsidian
There's a lot of extension stuff here I just don't know enough about
tulip kettle
@summer prairie if youre there and testing, can you try with 5 trappers first, and then 6?
summer prairie
I think it's specific angle
if I just spawn them in a row rather than in varying positions, they aren't getting through
tulip kettle
thats what im wondering
ripe obsidian
Smoke grenades also have frame count
summer prairie
I can spam 20+ and it doesn't get through if they are in a row rather than the angle varying
ripe obsidian
It looks like it's only updating the collision info every 5 frames, maybe? I could be misunderstanding
summer prairie
summer prairie
After getting netted through once from this position, I spawned another one at the same position with the same wall and it got through
ripe obsidian
Is it distance or angle?
summer prairie
Didn't do enough testing but the angle is more likely, I didn't really control for the distance
tulip kettle
ripe obsidian
if scratchpad.force_field_system:is_object_inside_force_field(new_sweep_position, radius, true) then
scratchpad.internal_state = "shot_finished"
upbeat kestrel
?
verbal thistle
Maybe it was desynced
ripe obsidian
Would a wall not placed by you have different properties?
It shouldn't
Shouldn't being the operative word
verbal thistle
I'm thinking player lag
ripe obsidian
The way it appears to work is that if the net's collision counts as is_object_inside_forcefield, the projectile is supposed to despawn
patent mango
oh my god thats a lotta testing
summer prairie
It's all server side so I think you wouldn't even see the wall on your side either
ripe obsidian
Though I don't think the net is coded as a projectile
summer prairie
I think ForceFieldExtension.is_unit_colliding is what you would want to look at but good luck
languid cipher
just played a maelstrom auric mission, I forgot that is what schizophrenia feels like
hazy birch
Though I don't think the net is coded as a projectile
Pretty sure bubbles stop it
summer prairie
I think it comes at a specific angle and doesn't stay inside the wall hitbox long enough
hazy birch
Sounds like the games just buggy as shit
And y'all just looking for logic where it doesn't exist cuz broken game lol
Definitely see some suss shit fairly regularly
verbal thistle
Yes
We're just seeing if there is a possible outlier that is causing this to happen consistently
ripe obsidian
Pretty sure bubbles stop it
Not always.
I have someone get netted in bubble probably once a week
summer prairie
I think that's just due to being too close to it
ripe obsidian
Yes
verbal thistle
But that's for bubble
ripe obsidian
I think the projectile spawns briefly before being deleted
Hence mentioning earlier that it only seems to update the array of units every 5 frames
hazy birch
I've not stopped to review footage on it but when it does happen I presumed it was because they were close enough to the bubble that the hit box materialized inside it or something
Games like this we expect things that come out of guns to actually come out of guns but I think sometimes they just spawn out of thin air in front of the character
strong gulch
Close enough to the player inside the bubble can net the player. Trapper doesn't need to be near bubble, can be inside.
ripe obsidian
I asked an AI to help me explain it. It says that the net only checks if it's in the forcefield at the end of a frame, whereas regular collision checks are a ray cast. Dunno if it's correct. But I am at the end of my knowledge
plucky flax
@tulip kettle I recorded the game earlier so you can watch the 2 man from my pov if you want
tulip kettle
would love to ❤️
hazy birch
And maybe there's some additional grace given for "grabs" like that and the dog, mutants etc
tulip kettle
also, with all of my testing, ive only been able to get netted through the wall, regardless of angle or distance, when a certain number of nets hit the wall at the same time. Thats not what happened to ainz though
tulip kettle
im done with this, tldr, wall not reliable, dont trust it
ripe obsidian
Okay, I tentatively believe the AI based on what I am reading.
strong gulch
im done with this, tldr, wall not reliable, dont trust it
especially with me
little did I know, the game is the best memer of all
ripe obsidian
It looks like the code for checking if it's in the shield only checks at the end of each frame, so if the angle is right, it can technically pass through the shield during a frame and do the check afterward
Which means it counts as not being there
Whereas the collision detection for everything else is a continuous check using raycasting
tulip kettle
i also get caught by the 6th trapper every time, in 3 different tests now.
ripe obsidian
But since the bubble is, well, a bubble, there's so much more space for projectiles to count as is_in_force_field or whatever
I think the wall is just not coded well, in short
ripe obsidian
And for some reason is coded differently than other collision systems
hazy birch
Every time I am trying to dodge a crusher I'm reminded of this
languid cipher
I think the wall is just not coded well, in short
weird, anything vs AABB should be reliable enough
hazy birch
Is there a trick to being more consistent with dodging their bullshit?
tulip kettle
https://youtu.be/JDwoEQGEQmQ?si=o2xkk9I8d3GNGuJO
i open this and get an add that starts "lets get ready to crumble"
im assuming thats not the reference being made
hazy birch
No
marble crater
It's a reference to sedition
tulip kettle
and no, just practice, dodge as late as you feel comfortable with
can also force sword push them out of the animation.
ripe obsidian
weird, anything vs AABB should be reliable enough
I am afraid I do not know enough about this to give a concrete answer
deft stump
im done with this, tldr, wall not reliable, dont trust it
Closed doors is the same.
languid cipher
I am afraid I do not know enough about this to give a concrete answer
I do not know how its implemented in this game, so safe to say I do not know enough neither
ripe obsidian
Is there a trick to being more consistent with dodging their bullshit?
Dodge sliding on audio cues is what I try to do. Doesn't always work. Especially in dense hordes or surrounded by Bulwarks. Getting netted through like 20 ogryn enemies is a Bad Time.
tulip kettle
i have recently been training myself not to slide vs the armour blobs
ripe obsidian
I do not know how its implemented in this game, so safe to say I do not know eno...
I have a couple links to the code above, but I am a novice at best with software engineering
tulip kettle
run out of dodges too quickly
strong gulch
i have recently been training myself not to slide vs the armour blobs
I need to do this.
tulip kettle
better to spam push attacks and only dodge when you miss one
strong gulch
Me sliding into an overhead is a classic at this point.
tulip kettle
haha sammmeee
at least once a game i slide around a corner and my life flashes before my eyes
deft stump
Me sliding into an overhead is a classic at this point.
You should have seen Dom's luck that time. The overheads were out for him.
ripe obsidian
better to spam push attacks and only dodge when you miss one
I blindly spam push attack and try not to run out of dodges
tulip kettle
just waiting for chaos to post the clip of me taking on literally 30 crushers earlier and coming out on top
lone ravine
can’t wait for crushers to start dark souls baiting us with their overheads so they hit us right after we dodge
ripe obsidian
Usually Deimos PA is enough to keep enemies at bay until I end up backing into a corner
When I get put under that much pressure, my map knowledge can falter
hazy birch
Dodge sliding on audio cues is what I try to do. Doesn't always work. Especially...
There's no audio cues when these situations come up. Cuz there's 4000 things doing different things making noise plus my teammates and all their stuff going on.
strong gulch
just waiting for chaos to post the clip of me taking on literally 30 crushers ea...
dom domming
hazy birch
Yea
ripe obsidian
There's no audio cues when these situations come up. Cuz there's 4000 things doi...
It is true. Audio can be spotty.
languid cipher
my head doesn't hurt enough, lets try to get another havoc game
ripe obsidian
I'm still riding high on the great H40 I had yesterday.
hazy birch
I mean spotty I'm not even certain of but not really my issue as much as just having so much chaos happening that I'm not capable of discerning it.
languid cipher
I did a h40 once, still dont know how (getting carried)
languid cipher
I mean spotty I'm not even certain of but not really my issue as much as just ha...
I believe I developed a nerve from eye to keyboard without passing through my brain
pure scaffold
Crushers can’t handle 22 stacks of soulblaze and a uncanny strike superiority Deimos FS
languid cipher
I just move, idk whats going on
pure scaffold
ripe obsidian
I believe I developed a nerve from eye to keyboard without passing through my br...
You are a dragonfly
strong gulch
It is true. Audio can be spotty.
Oh right, I figured out why my audio cues are spottier when my partner and I play together. His audio levels just overwhelm mine.
ripe obsidian
Crushers can’t handle 22 stacks of soulblaze and a uncanny strike superiority De...
I think 22 would be like 500 damage per tick with fully stacked superiority and uncanny.
Which purple can outheal, sadly.
Being the last person alive against a horde of crushers where something in the very back is purple has traumatized me
languid cipher
too many peoplelooking to make h40, i dont want to ruin somebodys game
hazy birch
I think deranking is healthy
Otherwise you get scrubs that just naturally get carried enough times that they end up places they really don't have the skill to be
hazy birch
Probably. But less
If everyone just had linear, vertical growth then A it wouldn't mean anything and B everyone would get there
languid cipher
I wish I had linear vertical growth somewhere else
hazy birch
😳
strong gulch
It more makes the whole thing unfun. New season and climb again. Have to get premades or play very specific builds to get into a party because "oh no my rank".
It stifles build diversity and just playing havocs.
Can still grind to 40, but the derank specifically can fuck off.
strong gulch
Oh, you were away for more than a week? get fecked.
hazy birch
Easy fix is to just not focus on hitting max level content with meme builds. Just have fun with em
strong gulch
No
hazy birch
with no leaderboard
So why push to max havoc at all?
strong gulch
The deranking specifically is ass.
If we cleared a difficulty, we should be freely able to get play that difficulty.
weary crane
I still haven't reached 40 myself but I got clearance ages ago
hazy birch
I like having something on the line. Motivation to succeed.
Idrgaf about leaderboards but I respect their place in games. Perhaps darktide needs one
tulip kettle
getting to 40 means you dont have to care about deranking any more and can play what you like in your own lobbies
strong gulch
Right now, H40 is the only place where you can try different things and not cost someone something other than time. You can try different builds, comps, different friends can rotate out instead of only playing with x players because randoms are doing the most.
hazy birch
You stop deranking at 40?
strong gulch
yes
hazy birch
Interesting
strong gulch
you can lose all you want
then with a new season there a reset and everyone has to climb again
hazy birch
That's just keeping the game alive
royal totem
i finally won a havoc ._.
hazy birch
Like seasons or leagues in any other game
Give people a reason to play. Though, if there's no rewards or new mechanics or anything like that, it's kinda empty sounding
weary crane
on another note, everyone bump this plzhttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/remove-kinetic-flayer-critical-peril-restriction/114138
marble crater
i finally won a havoc ._.
Pro 
royal totem
as infiltrate zealot 😏
just bonk the boss!
i got to pull the magic trick of "i'll make this pogryn.....disappear"
hazy birch
Are havoc levels per character or account?
hazy birch
☠️
royal totem
in its own way
hazy birch
Yea that's kinda shit
royal totem
nah it's fine but it has unique issues too
hazy birch
Invalidates the reason behind having a derank system
plucky flax
oo the vid is on youtube
Yeah I posted. Rare decent vet play
hazy birch
Like yea your arbites can hit whatever level, day havoc 20 or something, but that doesn't mean your ogryn can lol
royal totem
yes.......and it's a problem sometimes
i've concluded i don't like playing havoc with rando true survivors
hazy birch
True survivors?
royal totem
it's the hardest title in the game :3
verbal thistle
a title you get when you clear H35+ with no team Downs/Deaths
royal totem
NO IT DOESNT
CUZ ITS ACCOUNT BOUND
like yes
some of them genuinely just want to help you clear your lower havoc
verbal thistle
most people who flex it cheese it or as addressed before, its account wide
hazy birch
Well yea but statistically you're still more likely to find a real sweat with them than a rando that doesn't have the title at all lol
quaint lark
i forgot to post this vid a while ago lol
verbal thistle
titles/emblems/levles never did mean anything
royal totem
some of them it's just bait because they're using a class they dunno and basically using true survivor to guarantee you'll invite them
hazy birch
Doesn't mean you WILL. just more likely
royal totem
or some of them they're using that class but using a commplete meme build they've never tested
royal totem
Doesn't mean you WILL. just more likely
sure, but annecdotally i have encountere more of them out to troll than out to help
hazy birch
I see
Perhaps the curse of sweatlordiness. At some point you just stop caring about being the best and just want to meme on shit lol
tulip kettle
Yeah I posted. Rare decent vet play
man you play like a god on every class, hard carried us through that one. rot armour not strong enough for krak nades chaos
verbal thistle
Perhaps the curse of sweatlordiness. At some point you just stop caring about be...
Thats rare in this community, sadly
hazy birch
Memers?
tulip kettle
also damn dude what a bizarre build it didnt work at all -.-
hazy birch
🤔
strong gulch
Give people a reason to play. Though, if there's no rewards or new mechanics or ...
It's just the same weekly reward. I don't even mind grinding up to H40 each season, it's just the deranking that's shit. Also not playing for a week, and that being a derank just doesn't respect a players time.
There are penances, but it's just reach x clearance level, collect weekly rewards, or true survivor. Do havocs to 40 1 time and get most of them. Others can be done sub 40.
hazy birch
Feel like that's pretty unanimous in most games. People get bored of the meta
verbal thistle
nearly every havoc party finder is people running the best things and being sweaty so they win. Its not much fun anymore
hazy birch
I got bored of trying to be meta in general ages ago
Doesn't even affect me on a per game basis anymore
royal totem
it's hard for me to get into games cuz infiltrate zealot
but that's besides the point
hazy birch
Not that I care too much about build specifics but when you said zealot I had no idea you were going infiltrate lol
hazy birch
I mean you and I were doing memey type shit at low level havocs so it don't matter
But I could see a boss focused build getting daggers for groups trying to push content
hazy birch
i got to know this guy today
I need to friend this guy
mental kayak
I need to friend this guy
joiin his vc and ask him if you can play psyker in his havoc 40
hazy birch
Go run games with him and double up his damage just to piss him off
mental kayak
see what he says
"you can't play with me if you play that dogshit unskilled purge staff"
i asked him if i could play the voidblast one
royal totem
well i mean
hazy birch
I've still got a lot of work to do and testing and whatnot but so far the ONLY class that even comes close to beating my output is arbites
mental kayak
"the only thing you can play is gnu psyker but everyone is dogshit at it"
hazy birch
They beat me if I go down a lot that game
mental kayak
i'm okay with prayer zealot
hazy birch
Chorus?
royal totem
i can play prayer zealot
mental kayak
but i don't get why you have to force people thatplay with you to play a certain way
royal totem
i just choose to play infiltrate
royal totem
do you really want me to give a somewhat serious answer?
it's cuz like if a vet is bad at the game and doesnt hit many specials but at least throws grenades and provides gold toughness, they're still bad but they're providing something useful.
a zealot that doesn't do damage and is bad is at least providing prayer
etc etc
it's an "if they're ass they're still being somewhat useful"
hazy birch
Speaking for myself, and I imagine others share sentiment, it's not about what you play or the weapons you use or whatever. It's just having someone that can contribute. IDK the specifics of the stealth zealot build but if the only damage you can put out is 2-3 times a mission when a boss hits the scene, that puts a lot of weight on everyone else the other 95% of the run. For me, as long as everyone can do damage and help with hordes and bosses idgaf.
royal totem
on the other hand, an infiltrate zealot that doesn't do much and misses bosses isn't doing shit
infiltrate can hit crushers for a good bit of damage fyi
even without using ability
hazy birch
Id imagine
But the difference between bosses and crushers is you don't get 8 bosses spawned into a gang at once lol
IDK how quickly they can delete that specific arrangement
hazy birch
But I've seen ogryns annihilate packs of crushers
royal totem
you're being serious, let me laugh harder
if you're unlucky even in havoc 20s you can get 3 bosses at once
hazy birch
?
hazy birch
Wild
ripe obsidian
Anything is viable if you're good enough. Don't join an H40 with a build you can't execute on and expect people to carry you. But also don't prejudge people based on build alone (much of the time). When I am hosting H40s, I mostly accept the first people who request it who are of a reasonable clearance level and aren't another Psyker. >:(
hazy birch
All the more reason to be versatile imo
royal totem
and the thing is i can maybe only nuke one, but i still truck bosses for like 1/4th hp in one hit. without infiltrate up
ripe obsidian
if you're unlucky even in havoc 20s you can get 3 bosses at once
Had 5 bosses at once in the first room of a map the other day. Killed 3 or 4 before getting run down
hazy birch
Anything is viable if you're good enough. Don't join an H40 with a build you can...
You racist
royal totem
Had 5 bosses at once in the first room of a map the other day. Killed 3 or 4 bef...
that's like havoc 40 though right? i'm luckily not havoc 40
strong gulch
dull nest
Do you have any tips for completing power up penance on psyker?
royal totem
i may only be able to hard stomp bosses, yes. but i can still do damage to crushers etc. though my horde clear game isn't as good as a psyker's by far
hazy birch
I might make a more cc/support centric build for fun and to be that role when needed but for damage, this is it
summer prairie
today I pulled 6 bosses to Power matrix mid event due to unfortunate events and needless to say it was a waste of time
hazy birch
I've seen maps spawn like 15+ bosses over the course of the map but never 3+ at once
Least not that I can remember
Unless you count some dingus pulling a demon host to spice things up
graceful arch
Least not that I can remember
Twins plus monstrosity is a common occurrence
summer prairie
You only get very high simultaneous spawns at the start of the map due to what is essentially a bug and perhaps sometimes on specific maps at other points due to paused pacing, not sure about the latter
wind spruce
I've seen maps spawn like 15+ bosses over the course of the map but never 3+ at ...
In havoc?
Bc ??
hazy birch
No regular missions
My time in havoc is limited
I think I'm in h4 or something
I need to take this psyker into havoc though
hazy birch
Last attempt my build was half assed with junk gear and outputting piss damage and I was still topping out. This build is going to shred havoc
royal totem
and you only start seeing it more havoc 20+
graceful arch
Havoc 40 boss triggers become near guaranteed 1 boss
royal totem
it's cuz i was an infiltrate zealot i'm just saying
hazy birch
?
royal totem
you would have to be having a really bad day to not beat me in damage
hazy birch
I mean the other two as well
royal totem
how did you find the other two btw
graceful arch
Mercantile first event can have you sit there with 4 full monstrosities at the same time.
hazy birch
Only reason the arbiter pulled ahead was cuz I was dead lol
Party finder
Random group
royal totem
no
he really wasn't
watched me and the vet bleed out and did nothing
twice in fact
royal totem
yeah........some people do that for unknown reasons
maybe trying to finish the res allies penance? idk
havoc aint the place to do it though
hazy birch
Mind you he had no damage either so it's not like he had carry stigma or something
ripe obsidian
that's like havoc 40 though right? i'm luckily not havoc 40
It was a particularly unlucky H40
ripe obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/S...
It is me.
royal totem
Mind you he had no damage either so it's not like he had carry stigma or somethi...
that is.......so sadge lmao.
strong gulch
I'm just a coal shoveler for 6.
royal totem
It was a particularly unlucky H40
my sincere condolances
ripe obsidian
You only get very high simultaneous spawns at the start of the map due to what i...
It is because the boss spawn limit doesn't go into effect until a certain point, yes?
summer prairie
Yes, the max monster limit doesn't apply until pacing starts
royal totem
pacing? 😮
ripe obsidian
Rude of the game.
summer prairie
the director gets turned on basically, like at the start of the map when it doesn't spawn anything yet
ripe obsidian
I'd rather have 5 bosses spawn at the beginning than 30 minutes in, though
tulip kettle
its why sometimes on power matrix you get twins before you even enter the map
hazy birch
Yea. If I'm gonna fail let's get that shit over with at the start lol
tulip kettle
which i personally love
unborn stag
Don't worry Psykers, I'll revive whenever possible.
royal totem
its why sometimes on power matrix you get twins before you even enter the map
huh. i've never seen that.
unborn stag
tulip kettle
its pretty common honestly
unborn stag
True
tulip kettle
and its good too because it means you know you wont get them the rest of the run
the worst bit on any map is the bit someone posted a map of yesterday
royal totem
imagine if they made an event where you could get multiple twins
plucky flax
Twins by themselves ez
tulip kettle
on oubliette after the drop down after the first event, with the side room with 2 different boss triggers and a twin trigger that can all go off at the same time
plucky flax
Its when it's specials elites and another boss it's hard
hazy birch
Twins are such bullshit
tulip kettle
Its when it's specials elites and another boss it's hard
or 4 bosses and armour blob kiting through rooms in warren 😭
royal totem
Twins are such bullshit
why?
plucky flax
hazy birch
There's a point where difficulty becomes cheese and fun fades
plucky flax
That was just bad luck
verbal thistle
tulip kettle
verbal thistle
I love finding that one railing wiht no ledge
tulip kettle
the chaos spawn and poxburster conspiring for the perfect assasination attempt
weary crane
Whatever Dev made those random gaps in railing is a devil
hazy birch
It's still bullshit
royal totem
speaking of which, the havoc i just won, twins didn't spawn at all
hazy birch
I just don't find any part of dealing with them enjoyable
strong gulch
the chaos spawn and poxburster conspiring for the perfect assasination attempt
OMG DOM.
Not as fun a combo, but I have been have more incidents of dogs staggering me as I'm escaping fire.
This patch has been dog training.
hazy birch
It really emphasizes team work to succeed with and the game itself is mostly catered to randoms
So the biggest difficulty is coordination
weary crane
Dogs on their way to jump on you for 0.00000001 nanoseconds and giving you 1/4 bar of corruption from it
hazy birch
Great if you got a stack on comms. Everyone else struggles
royal totem
i didn't really do the "teamwork" part with you guys. just kinda went "HEY LOOK. BONK CHANCE."
tulip kettle
OMG DOM.
Not as fun a combo, but I have been have more incidents of dogs stagge...
the ai has gotten so smart with its combo attacks for sure
weary idol
Dogs on their way to jump on you for 0.00000001 nanoseconds and giving you 1/4 b...
dogs on their way to jump someone else and stunning you because you're within 10 meters of them
hazy birch
i didn't really do the "teamwork" part with you guys. just kinda went "HEY LOO...
Yea I mean if you got the damage to invalidate them like that you just remove them from the equation lol
weary crane
dogs on their way to jump someone else and stunning you because you're within 10...
Me with immaterial focus
strong gulch
the ai has gotten so smart with its combo attacks for sure
Maybe we should read the forbidden texts we find.
hazy birch
But most people aren't playing boss one shotters
tulip kettle
Maybe we should read the forbidden texts we find. <:loregryn:1036580674741731379...
it probably looks like this :
royal totem
vet also has a pretty silly build that kills bosses really fast.
not 1 shot but really really fast
tulip kettle
local Attack = require("scripts/utilities/attack/attack")
local BuffSettings = require("scripts/settings/buff/buff_settings")
local BurningSettings = require("scripts/settings/burning/burning_settings")
local Blackboard = require("scripts/extension_systems/blackboard/utilities/blackboard")
local DamageProfileTemplates = require("scripts/settings/damage/damage_profile_templates")
local EffectTemplates = require("scripts/settings/fx/effect_templates")
local FixedFrame = require("scripts/utilities/fixed_frame")
local HitZone = require("scripts/utilities/attack/hit_zone")
local MinionDifficultySettings = require("scripts/settings/difficulty/minion_difficulty_settings")
local LiquidArea = require("scripts/extension_systems/liquid_area/utilities/liquid_area")
local LiquidAreaTemplates = require("scripts/settings/liquid_area/liquid_area_templates")
local buff_keywords = BuffSettings.keywords
local buff_stat_buffs = BuffSettings.stat_buffs
local stat_buff_types = BuffSettings.stat_buff_types
local stat_buff_base_values = BuffSettings.stat_buff_base_values
local minion_effects_priorities = BuffSettings.minion_effects_priorities
local minion_burning_buff_effects = BurningSettings.buff_effects.minions
local proc_events = BuffSettings.proc_events
tulip kettle
truly eldritch summoning
hazy birch
My psyker is doing pretty good boss damage currently
royal totem
https://youtu.be/dMycnAg6HkU?si=zuaf_Z3g06qnYvyC
faster than that though. it's really funny.
hazy birch
I'm sure. But I delete hordes Too lol
hazy birch
I never see vets cooking
ripe obsidian
Twins by themselves ez
Not if your team runs away to chase a single poxwalker and you're alone versus both twins. I'm not good enough to survive that.
royal totem
I never see vets cooking
most vets are bad
hazy birch
Like they do good boss damage but never hitting the hordes well
royal totem
Not if your team runs away to chase a single poxwalker and you're alone versus b...
sorry. was me.
tulip kettle
these days twins get me by pushing me into the stink mines generally, otherwise they are pretty manageable
royal totem
power sword swiss cheeses hordes. but a lot of vets don't use it cuz it's kinda uncomfy to use imo
tulip kettle
or the random plasma pistol snipe when im focussed elsewhere
royal totem
these days twins get me by pushing me into the stink mines generally, otherwise ...
urgh i get hit by that too
plucky flax
most vets are bad
Sry was me
tulip kettle
BLAM BLAM you be dead now
hazy birch
I really wish I could play with the plasma gun
weary crane
Most vets have their dodge and jump bound together
ripe obsidian
these days twins get me by pushing me into the stink mines generally, otherwise ...
It's seriously 90% the melee twin locking onto me while my team is just relieved not to be focused, so I end up kiting for two minutes straight and throwing out fire and attacks when I have space. Then the team dies because they haven't killed the ranged twin either.
royal totem
OH ALSO GUNSLINGER. that arb yesterday
ignored the sniper
and decided to rumage through chests instead
hazy birch
Bro had nothing to deal with it
tulip kettle
yeah she is a bitch for real
royal totem
and i got the bad luck of as the sniper fired i rounded corner
hazy birch
Why I didn't like his weapons
royal totem
he could have literally killed the sniper first
THEN rumaged through chests
i had 0 ammo
strong gulch
It's seriously 90% the melee twin locking onto me while my team is just relieved...
Sry. I was trying to parry bullets.
royal totem
With what?
with his gun. i mean shotgun shield can still snipe.
hazy birch
I'm not saying he was on point but I'm not a fan of the shotgun shield
tulip kettle
im finally at the point where i can comfortably fight monstrosities or normal captains or rinda as long as theres not TOO much other stuff trying to murder me simultaneously. Its when youre the inferno psyker and everyone else is doing all they can to look busy fighting poxwalkers that things become difficult
ripe obsidian
I am not sure how boss targeting works, but the melee twin seems to focus whoever hit her last, swapping every 5-10 seconds.
royal totem
and the sniper wasn't that far away in the first place
hazy birch
Ah. IDK. Too much going on that game
tulip kettle
boss aggro in this game is an enigma
in VT it was simple, in this one it really does seem super complicated and obfuscated
royal totem
doesn't the melee twin go for whatever target is standing solo? at least that's what i heard but that may be untrue
hazy birch
Yea like when your teammates shoot the DH and it aggros on you
tulip kettle
plenty of times im not dpsing the boss at all and it will just randomly aggro on me instead of the 3 people bonking it
ripe obsidian
im finally at the point where i can comfortably fight monstrosities or normal ca...
I can fight everything except Chaos Spawn fine solo. Captains are just slow as hell if you don't have good melee damage to bonk the shield
tulip kettle
cspawn i have now learned is essentially the same as plogryn except it doesnt like to loop its slam as easily
hazy birch
Chaos spawn is a bastard
royal totem
if people want me to bonk chaos spawn, they need to hold it slow or stopped for a lil.
ripe obsidian
Something about the spawn's attack pattern screws with me.
hazy birch
That thing hits like a truck. Can't really just sit there and tank it
tulip kettle
yeah like when it overheads 19 times in the space of 7 seconds 🙂
when youre trapped in a tiny room in a corner
ripe obsidian
Burgle is a pain to fight as melee when you're alone. Get clipped by the spit and you're done
tulip kettle
the awesome thing about burgles is you generally never need to fight em alone
they are slower than you
royal totem
if you kite it slowly and don't spring as fast as you can i can still kill it. like if you just slowly dodge back. i just can't do anything if you're sprinting as fast as possible
ripe obsidian
when youre trapped in a tiny room in a corner
It pushed me into that corner, then bullied me
tulip kettle
just kite em around and go for the res
strong gulch
cspawn easier with a wall to make it's hits more predicable
if it has players on either side of it, it can quickly switch its target after a combo
tulip kettle
burgles are my favourite monstrosity by far
strong gulch
but yeah, bosses themselves are fine until everything else is around them
royal totem
pogryns are honestly the easiest for me to 1 shot bonk though
royal totem
burgles i can generally get 1/2-2/3rds. i'm not good at actually hitting the pustle or it would be 1 shot
Dom likes doing things from the rear. noted
strong gulch
with bubble you don't even need skill for bon except whoever has aggro keep it in the bubble
very easy to 1 man
no bubble and short dodges tho, then its spicier
tulip kettle
yeah bubble just makes Burgle a non factor
same as smoke nades make captains a non factor
marble crater
I can't solo BoN, speak for yourself
tulip kettle
place bubble, stand in bubble, stab it in face and dodge when it slams
chrome sail
Another player swiped medicae when I was at low health and they were at full.
Their excuse was that they wanted me to die so I’d stop destroying the rations.
If that’s not proof that the gatherers are filthy heretics, then I don’t know what is
tulip kettle
royal totem
heretics aboard the morningstar?
marble crater
More likely than you think
hazy birch
We're all heretics
chrome sail
https://tenor.com/view/things-that-never-happened-jeopardy-alex-trebek-never-hap...
Things happen to people who do things. And I’m a doer
tulip kettle
yeah i wouldnt know i never do anything 
hazy birch
I shot a barrel to yeet someone off the map for collecting rations once
tulip kettle
WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING
WHO WOULD GRIEF THEIR TEAM IN SUCH A WAY
abhorrent behaviour
hazy birch
tulip kettle
you should be banned
marble crater
you should be banned
Should be applauded
hazy birch
My bases were covered
tulip kettle
barreling people or pushing bursters into them is despicable behavior and not funny at all.
hazy birch
Needless to say I stopped giving a shit about rations not long after
marble crater
barreling people or pushing bursters into them is despicable behavior and not fu...
Very funny when it happens to people who deserve it, like Hexis maybe
tulip kettle
hexis doesnt deserve it and thats what makes it funnier tbh
hazy birch
Anyone doing things counter productive to the teams success should be punted
royal totem
..........................................
tulip kettle
yeah imagine doing a bit of trolling and having fun in an inconsequential video game
hazy birch
Like people taking ammo and meds for no reason
tulip kettle
straight to the gallows.
weary idol
Like people taking ammo and meds for no reason
yeah or like killing a teammate with a barrel for doing the event
royal totem
next time i'll push a poxburster into Dom
marble crater
I blocked a player yesterday because they didn't enter the elevator to end the mission and killed poxwalkers instead
tulip kettle
a guy blocked me today for not running bubble
hazy birch
yeah or like killing a teammate with a barrel for doing the event
We were at odds in our goals. Though one is believed to be detrimental to all of darktide kind
radiant frigate
a guy blocked me today for not running bubble
weak minded fool
marble crater
a guy blocked me today for not running bubble
I will unblock you if you promise to run it next time
radiant frigate
the psyker does not concern himself with the opnions of blunts
royal totem
a guy blocked me today for not running bubble
wait what?
hazy birch
Thought bubble becomes near useless in later difficulties
tulip kettle
scrubs want it in H40 because they dont know how to push gunners
royal totem
I mean...if you switched in on loadout screen you kinda deserbe it