psyker-class

[tall solar]

actually i'm typing

[frail osprey]

Ogryns are friends. They catch bullets better than anyone.

[tall solar]

what is the meta ogryn build

[tall solar]

all of mine, when i pop exec stance

thanks ogryn

[royal totem]

think it's explodegryn or something

aka rumbler spam

but idk

[leaden wind]

Ogrynheimer I think it’s called

[tall solar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e632ca3-292b-4721-af64-2230bca819bf/mister-es-explodegryn#talents

[frail osprey]

Shield ogryns are now a rare breed, but a psykers' bestfriend.

[solid pond]

so effective its barely used

[obsidian relic]

rumbler with pickxe, rumbler with shield, rumbler with bully club

[frail osprey]

They found out during the poxburster event.

[tall solar]

seems to be a theme here

[obsidian relic]

they buffed shield ogryns today so

[leaden wind]

I was ogryn main before I went psyker lol but yea people don’t use it so much

[obsidian relic]

grenade gauntlet also op

[leaden wind]

It’s a very ammo hungry build

[tall solar]

oh shit did we get a balance patch in the middle of my play session

hold on i gotta read this

[obsidian relic]

FNP buffed

[tall solar]

FIRE TEAM SLIGHTLY LESS DOGSHIT?

[royal totem]

i rarely see ogryns these days to be honest

[tall solar]

VoC nerfs

[obsidian relic]

I see lots of ogryns

[tall solar]

well

[obsidian relic]

I wanna see less veterans

[tall solar]

Duty and Honor nerf

[tall solar]

gun class is popular in shooter

in other news

[royal totem]

i want just as many vets ty

[tall solar]

ocean found to contain water

[leaden wind]

Meanwhile every game I’ve joined is 3 psyker 😭

[royal totem]

wait what? the ocean has water?

[obsidian relic]

psyker now better than god emperor himself

so normal

[tall solar]

and all of them are running smite and W+M1ing

[obsidian relic]

when glass cannon outdamages melee class

in melee

[royal totem]

idk the games i see are normally double arb vet and psyker or arb vet psyker and zealot

or double psyker arb and zealot

[obsidian relic]

more good arbys and ogryns needed

[tall solar]

or the rare quad vet

i got a quad vet once

[leaden wind]

Fr but brain exploder is the best imo

[royal totem]

my games always have an arb in them

idk why

[frail osprey]

Can you blame them? We shoot lighning out of our hands and make people's heads explode.

[obsidian relic]

Malcador's Will!

[leaden wind]

Valid

[royal totem]

for those of you unaware, it's cuz i play arb almost exclusively

[tall solar]

the lightning is shit

im sorry but it sucks

smite is bad

its funny but its bad

unless you use it poorly in which case its unfunny and bad

every time someone selects smite and then stuns a horde dealing nearly zero damage for 8 seconds consecutively

i cry

it keeps happening

[royal totem]

i had a psyker earlier with EK bubble that kept dying

[obsidian relic]

It's not but okay

[royal totem]

was truly a liability

[unkempt badge]

No, it's not, as you said, Anti.

[tall solar]

how does one use smite good aside from cherrytapping an enemy to stun them

[frail osprey]

Nah, smite is cool.

[tall solar]

is that the main use or is there something im missing

[obsidian relic]

if you have tempeture IQ teammates it can be a good surv

[royal totem]

you stun a small group. toss them to the ground and team murderizes them

[tall solar]

i mean i dont want to build around room-temp IQ teammates

[royal totem]

it's pretty good when your team has no other CC

[obsidian relic]

as founding fathers intented

[deft stump]

You don't know someone who literally doesn't do damage.

[tall solar]

then again

its not uncommon

[obsidian relic]

it is a good tool

canj be helkpful

[unkempt badge]

Room temp iq teammates lol wow

[obsidian relic]

its not great

[royal totem]

???/ how do i meet this person

[obsidian relic]

its not bad either

[leaden wind]

Bro has a shield how tf u keep going down

[tall solar]

also VoC gold toughness got nerfed

all the vet mains except the exec stance ones crying rn

[obsidian relic]

Majority of game has them, if you play with pugs

[frail osprey]

Sounds like you had one too many bad smite psykers

[obsidian relic]

Nobody crying, gold nerf needed but it's still VoC

[tall solar]

yep

[royal totem]

i think he got glitched on one down and the others......he just mysteriously downed idk how

[tall solar]

also

[obsidian relic]

Veteran still deal same damage

[tall solar]

psykinetic aura got nerfed

[solid pond]

@icy breach

[tall solar]

all the psyker mains crying except not because everyone knew it was gonna happen

shit was busted

[frail osprey]

Lets be honest, that perk was too good.

[acoustic jacinth]

Voc is voc tbh big nothingburger, most of these changes had it coming, they were stupid strong

[tall solar]

yea it deserved nerfs

its 60% 3s instead of 100% 5s now

[obsidian relic]

Who is crying, lmao? Boo, psykers cdr nerfed, still the best.

[acoustic jacinth]

Ok but now buff duelling sword and plasma

[obsidian relic]

All the nerfs needed except zealot and arby

[tall solar]

jokes on you i use shovel combat shotgun

weo

woe

[icy breach]

Correction; ppl make dogshit builds & are not that skilled to use smite to its fullest; you haven't seen a good smiker (cause those are rare)

[tall solar]

spoon bonk

[unkempt badge]

Also true, Papa

[acoustic jacinth]

Jokes on you i offensively spitball at the heretics

[frail osprey]

and they gave dueling sword a parry

[acoustic jacinth]

Lmao yeah

[tall solar]

if the average smiker is bad i dont want to see a higher number of smikers since that will mean more of the psykers on my teams will be bad

[acoustic jacinth]

It can oneshot a crusher given the right conditions

Cause precog exists so

[icy breach]

can always show you what smiker can do

[deft stump]

Ask Cat. I do no damage.

[tall solar]

like i wont complain if you're not super meta vet as long as you can aim

maybe not even

if you've got a shotgun

but like

[leaden wind]

Last match i was in it was 2 of them, they kept running in front of everyone and just spamming 😭

[tall solar]

still

[unkempt badge]

The same could be said of any class, in a sense, 3 Nurgles. A lot of it goes to people learning and playing to the class' full potential I would think. But, I could be wrong.

[tall solar]

YES THIS

[royal totem]

sounds un true!

[tall solar]

fortunately i dont rely on dodge buffs but like still

you are notably nerfing the team

[leaden wind]

Like dude the gameplay loop doesn’t even look fun

[royal totem]

Karien is Karien. Karien HAS to do lots of damage by definition

[icy breach]

correction; you prevent losses & unnecessary risks with smite; stating that its 'nerfing the team' is... to be painfully honest... Idiotic

[patent jacinth]

Because it isn't

You hold 2 buttons

And watch the team play for you

[tall solar]

well yea but uhhm see if you kill the enemy they also cant hurt you

[solid pond]

[tall solar]

the best cc is just killing them really fast

[verbal thistle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0297051-3f07-4cd6-aec5-b998a279c771/glass-cannon-without-the-glass @ripe obsidian random build

[royal totem]

what???

[verbal thistle]

my pubs wanted me to show them the build

[tall solar]

also people who depend on dodges for buffs

[patent jacinth]

There are very few situations that necessitate smite, and I'd rather have a tool that works for more than that 5% of the time

[icy breach]

same can be said about every other strat used...
Power sword? you activate special, swing 3 times & repeat
purgatus? you charge it up & release & repeat
plasma? you shoot & nothing else
its dumb to critique smite but not seeing other obvious 'treadmills'

[icy breach]

you dont need them to perform well

[deft stump]

It is true.

[patent jacinth]

One of those at least requires you to dodge

[unkempt badge]

Honestly, it sounds like a situation of a player having a set idea of how everyone should play the classes in the game and if not, then they are obviously bad and shouldn't be playing.

[patent jacinth]

Or mind your position

[icy breach]

the stupid term of 'best CC is to kill the enemy' type shit; i've herad it & seen it soo many times... they are always wrong

[weary idol]

the quote originates from Warframe iirc where it is most certainly not wrong

[solid pond]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422337003227447397/1429934426485428305/image.png?ex=68f7f1b6&is=68f6a036&hm=c8414b7731fa405253e207f6e20ac81d6afae88c94190a861b0e5360be18a93d&

Karien did say ask

[weary idol]

At least Warframe is where I first heard it

[craggy pebble]

Killing fast only goes so far.

[leaden wind]

I see what you mean, but it’s more the way people utilize it that bugs me then the actual skill.

[royal totem]

is this havoc or what?

[icy breach]

ye but warframe is a... power dream game; love it still even tho i don't play it no more (might play when they release voruna prime )

[icy breach]

believe me; smite does require skills you usually don't see at first glance

[solid pond]

just a damnation lol

we did a havoc where I had more damage than the team combined

[leaden wind]

Sorry I didn’t mean it takes no skill I meant most of the time I see it used they aren’t using the skill properly.

[royal totem]

xD

i'm too heavy for Catmiral to carry

[solid pond]

like 800k soulblaze in 10 minutes, 960k total

[royal totem]

so the server just kicks us all out instead

[icy breach]

atleast you dont get lags and neither does he cause you both live close to eachother; if you weren't into lezbomancy i would say you both should hit it off

[royal totem]

wot?

[icy breach]

oops sorry; i meant Karien but ye

i'm very tired mentally

[craggy pebble]

Creativity is as much a part of strategy as consistency.

[patent jacinth]

And smite is very

Very

Uncreative

It removes the enemy ai

[deft stump]

I just needed to not die to pick ppl up and rescue. Is good plan.

[jovial juniper]

https://youtu.be/nuLMDvoshrk?si=cEzA69XbBwT9ow_7

🗣️

[royal totem]

oh ok so if i die over and over again Karien will res me

got it

[jovial juniper]

I hear you cries against smite

And in your honor

I will spam smite today

[unkempt badge]

ROFL

do it

The fact it upsets so many people is kind of funny, really.

[lone ravine]

in his honor, i will make empowered smite free cost again.

[jovial juniper]

My psyker is named ReworkSmite for a reason

[unkempt badge]

Either people are going to like it or not. Apparently there is no middle ground on smite.

[deft stump]

FFS. I'm serious. I never once said I was anything good.

[royal totem]

your vet survives more than my arb lmao

[lone ravine]

make sure you eat every green stim and medicae

[royal totem]

good plan. i'll run ahead of team just to take that 1 charge medicae when a teammate has 90% health corrupted

[lone ravine]

like if they take dmg, its purely their fault

they should've just played better

[unkempt badge]

lol

[deft stump]

Not if I run a terrible build I regret making.

But surviving low diffs mean nothing.

[royal totem]

you survive in h40s. i don't

[deft stump]

Not really. I just get lucky till I don't if anything.

[royal totem]

i die within the first 4 minutes

BtL into an overhead

it's good. iirc but i can't say how "necessary" it is

because i'm the no-FGS club

[rain wren]

Lol

You shall not pass

Psyker meets the bridge troll

[strong gulch]

got trolled by the zealot, oggy, and my skill issue.

[rain wren]

It actually wasn't too bad just if you see an ogryn running you should too

[graceful arch]

That was mostly the ogryn dragging the crusher towards you and poor visibility cause of said ogryn

[strong gulch]

ye

[rain wren]

Yeah so back up when one does

[strong gulch]

shroud zealot dumped a little aggro but the oggy completely covering the crusher is what got me.

[graceful arch]

I have heard rumors of a mod that makes ally ogryns invisible maybe I should try it

[rain wren]

Lol

[graceful arch]

[strong gulch]

but this is more of a look dead in first 30s clip

[graceful arch]

Yeah and it was mostly not your fault

[rain wren]

Should find one that makes them a dwarf

[strong gulch]

preventable

[graceful arch]

Preventable or not this is the scenario of a pox burster jumping an ally and your pushes do nada to it.

[royal totem]

i've died multiple times to that

[strong gulch]

it would be really funny if zealot looked liked they just shrunk too.

like a mouse to us running around

[graceful arch]

Ally dwarves need to be a mod

Just puts your allies character scale to like 0.35 or something funny like that

[strong gulch]

mario event

[graceful arch]

Give their voice lines like a squeaky filter

[strong gulch]

tiny and big stims

[vernal temple]

https://vimeo.com/1129014925

no idea what's the point but this goofing around gave me a chuckle

[rain wren]

Lol I mean even if they look smaller there is no friendly fire so not like you will kill them not knowing where their height really is

[graceful arch]

I just want alvin the zealot(chipmunk) on my team

[rain wren]

Could you imagine how bad a game would end up with friendly fire. We already get blown off edges by barrels

[graceful arch]

Rumbler ogryns team killing everyone at the start of the match

[strong gulch]

truly an ankle biter

[graceful arch]

Or psyker breaking your toughness ever 0.2 seconds

[rain wren]

Vermontide range weapons had friendly fire on harder difficulty

[graceful arch]

Yeah nah

[vernal temple]

plasma gun veterans killing everyone while shooting through their teammates
psykers "going out with a bang" and taking the entire gang with them

[viscid spoke]

New guy here - Anyone have any tips for For the Emperor 1? I like the helmet

[graceful arch]

What is the penance agian?

[rain wren]

What do you have to do?

[viscid spoke]

It one to throw guys off ledges and 1 to mind blow up a dog midair

[vernal temple]

oh the cliffhanger

[rain wren]

Go psyker and use push on something on the edge

[vernal temple]

brain rupture a hound mid pounce is easy - wait for a dog to spawn, pre-charge a brain rupture and wait for it to target you and pounce

[strong gulch]

cliffhanger tips in the 4th pin

[graceful arch]

One is just use brain burst with kinetic resonance and enhanced psionics the other one just spam push with the force sword after baiting enemies near a ledge.

[viscid spoke]

F ability is too short range to push, I tried on a pipe

[viscid spoke]

Thanks! I'm a smite guy but I'll reset and try that

Is it any specific dog?

[graceful arch]

Just pox hounds

[rain wren]

Some staff abilities push as well. Also the screech

[graceful arch]

I think it would be difficult to target arbies dog.

[strong gulch]

shriek is like 30m

the push scales with peril

image is by Atlas

[viscid spoke]

So if I use F with high peril it'll push harder? Didn't know that

Will give it a try, cheers

[graceful arch]

Using shriek with low peril is crazy

No soulblaze stacks.

[viscid spoke]

So far I've only used it to lower peril from using Smite

And if I'm surrounded

[graceful arch]

[viscid spoke]

Will be more careful

[graceful arch]

You want to optimally use it at 84% peril.

[royal totem]

friendly fire, the arbites dog adding bleed stacks to teammates

and remember, even if you're shielded you still bleed 🙂

[strong gulch]

you can also throw enemies in the direction you are looking with smite

[marble crater]

Did you know that you can kill enemies, if you don't use smite

[graceful arch]

No killing is illegal

I think it's called murder or something.

[viscid spoke]

I can throw them off the pipe / bridge like that maybe, will also try that after I kill the dog midair

[strong gulch]

but that would make cliffhanger harder

don't kill before they fall

[marble crater]

Cliffhanger

[viscid spoke]

Makes me feel like Palpatine so it's very good

[marble crater]

Smite users wish they were

They are more like the younglings Anakin went to visit

[graceful arch]

I just want a gif of palpatine failing to use his lightning hands with the text saying high peril.

As much as I hate smite and it's users, I'm tired of hearing all the anti smite sentiment

Put your energy towards something more useful.

[strong gulch]

that's what the copy pasta is for

I did have a good smiter user on the team yesterday

it was nice

[leaden wind]

Sounds like dark tide to me

[graceful arch]

I will say though some of the worst randoms I've had have been smite users.

The hate is not completely unwarranted

Like how is the person with the button to cc the entire screen taking 10x as much damage as me.

[oak echo]

Is it possible to have zero downtime with scrier's gaze after the psykinetic aura changes?

[graceful arch]

Don't know.

I mean yes. If you can keep scriers active for long enough.

How much time that is and if it's realistic is another thing entirely.

[oak echo]

I haven't logged into my psyker, yet, but I vividly remember being able to use scrier's while I'm still in that 10s grace period where you can keep using warp attacks without exploding

So, basically, zero downtime, assuming the elites kept coming. But this was before the recent balance update.

[graceful arch]

I vividly remember getting scriers gaze back before the grace period even started.

[oak echo]

That, too. Except quite rare.

[graceful arch]

I only use scriers for melee psyker though.

If anything uptime will be better in very low densities and worse in high density compared to pre change.

Other than that not much has changed.

[oak echo]

Exclusively queue hi intensity modifiers

Got it

[pallid stump]

i do love my current psyker name

"pop goes the psyker"

as in "pop goes the weasel"

[ripe obsidian]

I am salty. Got headbutted off a cliff by a pogryn, and the veteran in my team died trying to get me up because they ignored the single shotgunner who shot them like 5 times

[pallid stump]

damn

@ripe obsidian any suggestion on how to get the cliff penance?

[ripe obsidian]

Be a Pogryn apparently.

But more seriously, Smite at the beginning of the Mercantile map. Bait the enemies out onto the area before the bomb, then smite-drag them into the pit

[royal totem]

that works...or the end section of vigil station oblivium... there are some spots that just work well for it

trauma staff also works for it

etc

[royal totem]

they wat? -_-

[ripe obsidian]

they died trying to pull me up because they had tunnel vision

[royal totem]

how do you not hear the sound of shotgunner shooting at you 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I do not know

It was right at the end of the mission, too.

Ended up a loss

[royal totem]

like i hear shotgunners shooting me always

it's traumatic

the sound of plasma gunners....the sound of shotgunners......they both live in my head always 🙁

[stuck spruce]

because you may consider that a single shotgunner is not a real threat even you are busy saving a player and dont consider that when you are out of toughness the saving animation is cancelled and continue again and again to try the rescue ... lemming mindset

(im often that guy btw )

[royal totem]

i don't forget cuz i hear a shotgunner and i'm like "NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN"

[ripe obsidian]

I have done it before. It's frustrating on both sides

[royal totem]

i'm also a master of not rescuing people so there's that

[ripe obsidian]

I'm sure they felt bad when it happened

I'm just a salty psyker

[royal totem]

i play like a true arbitrator "oh the rejects? eh, they're there"

[stuck spruce]

ouch

[strong gulch]

shotgunner enters

"Nah this is fine. I'm gonna keep going."

It was not fine.

[royal totem]

i'm afraid of tox roasters

[pallid stump]

smite-drag?

[pallid stump]

holy crap

well piss

guess who's gonna have to be a smyker

[strong gulch]

There's a vid of where Six is talking about in the cliffhanger tips section of the 4th pin. #psyker-class message

[marble crater]

EP Smite with Shriek, do it quick and painless

[pallid stump]

thank ye

man both of these are very cool

[pure scaffold]

I prefer the red one

[rancid jasper]

Coolness seems to be very heavily dependent on how much of your body shows through the armour

Verdict: fursuits make you look badass asf

[ripe obsidian]

I am on a 14 game H40 losing streak. Am I the problem? D:

[strong gulch]

Maybe we can lose together later if you're not too demoralized.

Blame me for the loss. I will be playing with different HUD settings than I'm used to.

[white valley]

Going on 12 or so here

Havoc's brutal this season, holy terra

[ripe obsidian]

It's less havoc and more bad choices. Mine and others'

[white valley]

I mean it's also certainly havoc

insane special spawning

[ripe obsidian]

True.

[white valley]

plus the modifiers of this season are horrid

especially rotten armour

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten armor is the one that seems to end my runs most.

Not enough damage to cut through the 12 crushers

[hearty wolf]

is there any friends here

[royal totem]

Play with me and you can blame me for losses

[white valley]

rotten armour is also awful during bosses

[ripe obsidian]

I am an anemone

[hearty wolf]

video game?

[white valley]

like you're fighting a chaos spawn and a burgle, and there's just nonstop armoured fuckers

[ripe obsidian]

I can in a minute

need to find a food

[white valley]

usually the incoming horde would be handled by a single player, such as a flame psyker, but with the elites mixed in, now that player isn't enough

[hearty wolf]

oki

I forgot how to play game

But I will try

[royal totem]

Rot armor ends runs in low havocs too 🙁

Or or or...that healing captain accompanied by a burgle

[white valley]

rotten armour also makes those units super resistant to ranged damage

[royal totem]

Very

[white valley]

so you can't even delete them with boltguns, or plasma, or helbore

[hearty wolf]

That was cringe anyway

MELEE is the only way to go

[royal totem]

I like pew pew

If ammo shortage wasnt i thing id pew pew more

[hearty wolf]

I want a railgun

where railgun

[royal totem]

Dont think 40k has railguns does it?

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849987587776642

[graceful arch]

I can't wait for rotten armor + pus hardened skin to be a thing

[royal totem]

Cant tell if sarcasm or you just like ppl suffering

[graceful arch]

Rot armor + stimms is allready pretty cancer.

[royal totem]

A crusher injects a blue stim while youre using break the line at it

And you suddenly question all your life choices

[white valley]

blue stim is kinda stupid atm

[white valley]

tfw the blue rager eats 5 blows to the head from an ogryn and doesn't even stagger

[royal totem]

Yeah....

I have to try to dog those ragers

[strong gulch]

I have time for a round.

[hearty wolf]

69

[strong gulch]

kk

[royal totem]

It also just kinda invalidates certain builds which feels dumb

If you need an unskilled body i could log in. But its a BOLD choice to take me.

I get out damaged by stealth zealots 😭

[hearty wolf]

Stealth zealots do decent damage no? You just farm boss damage

[royal totem]

Im an arb though

[white valley]

Is it me or is zealot kind of the weakest class atm

[tidal violet]

Do you guys prefer blazing spirit or rending shockwave on the voidblast staff?

[royal totem]

both work depending on what you're doing

[tidal violet]

I agree as a zealot main, wish they did a bit more melee damage so they aren't outclassed by arby. Riposte nerf hurts

[white valley]

With our current talent tree, blazing makes more sense

Like you basically always grab souldrinker and wildfire plus perilous combustion on trauma

But warp flurry with rending shockwave does feel quite nice

[rain wren]

Crit and scriers gaze with dueling

Or are you talking about zealot?

Psyker melee builds are based off crit mostly

[sonic schooner]

Naming my new Psyker character after an commonly used medicine to treat Schizophrenia

[rancid jasper]

Every time someone calls their name, they are reminded of what they need and can't have 😭

[lethal swan]

on the obscurus force sword, what's a good pick for the second blessing after uncanny strike that's not Deflector?

[white valley]

Zealots' live reaction when other classes can do more melee damage than them

[white valley]

Shred/riposte or unstable power

[sonic schooner]

Risperidone lmao
Named him RisperidoneTheSeer

[rancid jasper]

Fully buffed bgs poke xd

Does anyone know how much damage that does

With crit/finesse boosts and everything

[lethal swan]

How good is shred vs riposte? I guess its always up as long as you hit something, vs riposte where you have to dodge

[white valley]

Big damage

[rancid jasper]

I rarely take riposte, very little uptime for me

I find it hard to just let the enemies swing at me instead of attacking them back

[verbal thistle]

riposte is no effort

shred is effort

same increase to crit

[white valley]

Shred is more reliable, but more effort

[verbal thistle]

shred needs to build though

[white valley]

Riposte doesn't work if nothing is targetting you

[verbal thistle]

fair

but in those situations why are you holding melee then

bar someone running taunt

[white valley]

It's an ongoing debate

[verbal thistle]

cause taunt sucks

[lethal swan]

This is just for like a flamethrower staff venting shriek build

[white valley]

Taunt sucks?

[verbal thistle]

in the sense that it ruins alot of dodge blessings and talents

as well as gets peopled killed

[white valley]

Ah

I mean 20% more base damage received is nice though

[verbal thistle]

I have plenty of clips of me getting slotted by taunt

causing a wipe becauase of a misued taunt

[white valley]

That doesn't make taunt bad

[verbal thistle]

fair

[white valley]

If anything it's ogryn's strongest ability

[verbal thistle]

agreed

[lethal swan]

i had to do a double take that it was the same Ainz because he changed his avatar lmao

[verbal thistle]

but easily misused and makes others suffer

[white valley]

Easy to spam, good offensively and defensively

Then again maybe the issue is ogryn has somewhat shite abilities

PBB be like YEAH FUCK MY AMMO WOOO

[white valley]

How though, I do not recall dying because of an ogryn taunting

[verbal thistle]

in a mission

can share a clip soon

[rancid jasper]

Taunt is smite's secret cousin

[rain wren]

I believe it depends how good the player is at choosing when to taunt and when not to. Also depends on what abilities others are using

[white valley]

Taunt when lots of elites show up or when a monstrosity shows up, no?

[rain wren]

If you know you will survive long enough for others to kill them

Got to know the limits of yourself and others

[white valley]

Survive? I am taunting to kill the enemy myself

Not to get myself bodied

[royal totem]

i stopped playing oggy

cuz i have problems with oggy 🙁

[rain wren]

I mean if you know you can handle it sure but taking more than you can handle is a different story. In higher difficulty it can get tough

[white valley]

A bully clubgryn or shield ogryn should have no issue handling a ton of taunted stuff

[royal totem]

sometimes i use charge on oggy and in theory you can end it early but sometimes i spam the button to stop it and it just doesn't stop

[white valley]

Taunt stagger plus the cc from those weapons is very strong

[white valley]

Press S to end it

[royal totem]

i know

[white valley]

Not F

[royal totem]

sometimes......it just doesn't

[white valley]

Hmm

[rain wren]

Sounds like lag in processing

[royal totem]

i assume it's like sometimes you press to swap wweapons

but it just doesn't

"there are mods to solve this problem"

i shouldn't need mods to solve things like this obesefish

[verbal thistle]

@white valley

my average experience playing with a taunt ogryn

50 poxwalkers up my ass

[royal totem]

LMAO

[hearty wolf]

That was actually fun

[strong gulch]

Ye was fun.

[hearty wolf]

Thammer actually feels fun too now. I don't feel like I often waste damage for charging thrust stucks either

[strong gulch]

Idk what I dies to. lmao

[hearty wolf]

I'd like to see what happened there from other people's POV

I had 1 million stalkers shooting me and I turn around and everything is on fire and people are dead xd

[tulip kettle]

i didnt clip it

[strong gulch]

I stalled.

was my bad

[ripe obsidian]

I am not positive what happened

[hearty wolf]

no no is all good, I just want to know what I could have done better there is all

Stalling happens whether intentionally or not

I could have given a countdown for example

[tulip kettle]

i dont think anything honestly you called it it was a good play

[hearty wolf]

I kinda just said I'd go deal with them and ran off xd

[tulip kettle]

i just got surrounded by fire

[strong gulch]

I don't video. heck

[tulip kettle]

like nowhere to move to stuck

[hearty wolf]

The revive speed is so insanely good though fr

[tulip kettle]

also those bursters are actual assasins

push the burster into another burster, and instead of it exploding it and killing it it lands next to me THEN explodes

[hearty wolf]

I do think that our pathing could have been tighter there. Like run to the train and stand on a side of it to LOS the other side of the trains rather than up at the staircase where everything can see you

unless you decide to go back

[tulip kettle]

agreed

[hearty wolf]

which is wasted time and progress anyway

[tulip kettle]

pacing was great though

feels really good moving forward like this

compared to ym pub games

[hearty wolf]

yeh I was actually trying compared to the last times I played since it's "new" havoc and I haven't cleared it yet

so feels like a nice goal

[tulip kettle]

2m damage at half way TOTAL

into rot armour

means we arent spawning a million crushers by going baackwards

is good

[hearty wolf]

If it was stimms, would we even have gotten that far? I forgot what the other modifier was

[tulip kettle]

cranial

[hearty wolf]

ah

Swear cranial is a buff for us so oof

I'll tweak my build a bit, think I can drop some survivability maybe for a bit extra damage to get rid of the bosses a bit faster

[long wharf]

did Wildfire change?

[zealous wing]

no

[ripe obsidian]

stims are brutal

[hearty wolf]

mm, hopefully we get a seed so I can test it out

I was not using FOTF to stun as much that game because you had mines and I didn't want to build bad habits for stimms

although I don't think any of the deaths were due to lack of CC

[graceful arch]

9 Blue stimmed rot armor crushers coming up

Healers rot armor is easier than stimm imo

[zealous wing]

because they're healing, not buffed to hell 😭

[tulip kettle]

agreed, i think its just maintaining cohesion mainly. Obviously the game is trying to seperate us and generally we did well at staying together, its just when we get seperated that we take dmg really

[hearty wolf]

yuh

I don't think the leaderboard means practically anything with rot armour either. Like before it gave some kind of indication of who is pulling weight

But with the way it functions with rot, it really wants you to play some kind of role

[graceful arch]

Rot armor is just have a flamestaff psyker and a shit ton of cc and brittle stacking or perish

Honestly a terrible modifier

Should have never reached live.

[hearty wolf]

We've haad pretty terrible ones in the past

I feel like there was something that was originally in that was so bad that it was removed but I can't recall...

But the solution to most of havoc is purg staff anyway

what's 1 more purg staff modifier xd

[ripe obsidian]

flamestaff + shriek + uncanny

can easily deal with crushers unless they're purple

[tulip kettle]

yeah we honestly werent having problems dealing with the armour it felt like

spread stalkers bigger problem

and the obscene special spam

[hearty wolf]

Maybe I go vet

or

Switch back to bolt pistol

[tulip kettle]

i think vet is actually good for krak nade spam

[hearty wolf]

When I was remaking my build, I saw I had bolt pistol was on and I was like "Wtf why would I use this??" - I think i see why xd

[ripe obsidian]

I think Arby is my best bet, since I am pretty bad at Ogryn. The CC feels necessary

[hearty wolf]

Ay I can run Arby too but I would probably run BTL with dog shocks which aren't as consistent

Maybe we should try with Nuncio?

[ripe obsidian]

I can try Nuncio, but it's a long cooldown and requires the fight to stay in it

[hearty wolf]

I think if you're going to die, it's because you're stuck in a fight anyway

It's usually about keeping the psykers alive

[ripe obsidian]

I'm trying to use BTL and shock mines to keep armor controlled. Not much use versus shooters, though

[hearty wolf]

yuh.. I think we're kind of relying on shriek to kill them atm xd

purg surpression

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not sure what would be better other than, like, book and running at them

[hearty wolf]

I can run at them with Fotf pretty successfully but what happens to the back then

I don't want Bean to explode having to manage 2 sides plus BOOM peril

But maybe if no shooters, it will be easier

If this game was 5 players instead of 4, on god it was be so easy

Like zzz

[ripe obsidian]

Ascension Riser is rough because of all the open spaces

So shooters get to go wild

[tulip kettle]

yup

ultimately i cant afford to stop burning to start brainbursting random stalker 30m away behind a barricade

but honestly i think the comp is fine

everyone played fine

stop overthinking it

[ripe obsidian]

you can't make me

[tulip kettle]

factual

[hearty wolf]

lmaoo

[zealous wing]

still going rough it seems

[tulip kettle]

honestly we had some good runs

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I have 0 exp with Riser since it's like hardly ever in the map pool

[tulip kettle]

then one minor positioning mistake or something causes cascade failure

[ripe obsidian]

Ascension Riser also has bad respawn locations and very few health stations

[tulip kettle]

yup

during the first event its not too bad cos backwards for revives and recovery

but then if you have to clear 4 rooms to get to the next revive point and someone dies its pretty much just over

[ripe obsidian]

I'd be fine with doing your H32 stuff

[zealous wing]

you think this might be good to squeeze in specifically for rot havoc?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm about ready to start again

[tulip kettle]

ill be ready in 2 mins or so if youre down

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe? That would be 15%, yes?

[tulip kettle]

we make a lil coffee

[ripe obsidian]

Does it only hit one enemy per pounce?

If so, I'm not sure it's worth it

Dog takes a long time to pounce repeatedly

[zealous wing]

it directly hits one, but the aoe i have also causing bleed, unsure

[rancid jasper]

is it intentional that bgs shred loses all its stacks if you dont hit the melee part of the ability

[zealous wing]

i can also switch its target pretty effectively

i would test but i have no idea how to effectively do so, with just serrated maw, then also with dogsplode

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I could put Thunderous on my weapon. That'd give 40% brittleness. Might be worth it for rot

[zealous wing]

feels like dogsplosion would aoe apply brittleness, which could be good

it doesnt specifically say pounce, so thats why i think this

[tulip kettle]

maybe

but looking at the stats and how the game went we honestly dont seem to have too much of a problem with the TTK on armoour

its more, random special causing chaos, or random crusher coming from somewhere random and being in immunity, or getting turned to swisscheese

[ripe obsidian]

Current H40 is quite brutal

[tulip kettle]

oh, youve had 4 dogs 4 flamers and a mutie

what if 3 more muties and a burster train?

[hearty wolf]

but I like mutie

they are the only thing that can take a good bonk

[tulip kettle]

your special dmg was going brrrr

bonking muties

indeed

[hearty wolf]

idk I couldn't tell cos purg staff was so high xd

[tulip kettle]

avengers, assemble!

[zealous wing]

good luck o7

[tulip kettle]

idk who is assembling hex theres likely a slot

[ripe obsidian]

makes me feel better about my super low damage numbers, ha

[tulip kettle]

idk like i kept saying in the game

they are dying

[hearty wolf]

I saw like no yelllow numbers so brain shut down

am not doing another one btw since it's 4:30am

but am interested tomorrow

[strong gulch]

I had dinner and a cookie.

[ripe obsidian]

I play support arbiter as an enabler

I enable everyone else

[tulip kettle]

ooo what kinda cookie?

[ripe obsidian]

Nuncio or BtL? I feel like BtL is a lot more active/useful, but it's hard to quantify the benefit of nuncio

[royal totem]

think nuncio is a little more situational imo in terms of benefiting team

[tulip kettle]

i think btl is great

and i think you nailed it before

the issue with nuncio is you place it and then we move anyway

[royal totem]

it's nice, but can get tox gas or bombed or such. but that's my personal opinion

and i'm a bot 10% player so don't weight my opinions much

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that's my feeling. Nuncio is super strong, but it has a long cooldown and isn't huge, and the Arby CDR node is locked behind a keystone I am not currently using

[tulip kettle]

i also think playing with no gold tough is hard mode

yes im bad player and need gold tough crutch

[ripe obsidian]

I can go vet or zealot

[tulip kettle]

idk i also like you playing arb haha

i can book bot if you want to play psyker but then we dont have front

[ripe obsidian]

I can stay arbiter. Easy enough. Press F and run at things

[zealous wing]

if you do have a slot i can attempt book bot

[tulip kettle]

i sent you a dm saying the same

get in here.

[zealous wing]

also i dont see why the arby shotgun is so good

[spark thistle]

Is it just me or did the psykinetic's aura change really not hurt that much overall?

[tulip kettle]

its not just you

[ripe obsidian]

Minimum shriek CD went from like 6.6 seconds to 8 seconds. Approximately.

It also means that the uptime on Psykinetic's Aura is higher

[royal totem]

i mean i wouldn't say it's a cracked tier weapon but it's good at killing things and out of the arb options it's really up to bistol, bolt gun and exterminator shotgun. that's all really.

[spark thistle]

that would explain why my electrokinetic staff/shriek spam build feels pretty much the exact same

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's a minimal change

Not a huge deal

[royal totem]

don't think of something godlike. it's just good for arb that's all.

[rich spindle]

Costs 12 dollars

[ripe obsidian]

30 second base CD * .78 for CDR curios + aura = 23.4

23.4 * .55 for Warp Siphon = 12.87

Used to be 12.87 / 2 for 6.45ish

Now is 12.87 / 1.6 for 8.04 seconds. So 1.5 second longer CD in optimal circumstances.

[spark thistle]

all in all a completely minor change that can essentially be ignored then

sparky stay winning

[celest valve]

eh it's a bit less "literally impossible to perils"

[ripe obsidian]

Someone this morning was very upset about it

[royal totem]

people get upset about everything

[austere warren]

Loss aversion?

[sacred crane]

desperatly trying to get to havoc 40

highest ive gone is 20 but nobody ever rlly runs havoc publics

and all the public ones are like 30+ so no chance of them accepting me in

AAAAAAAAAA PLS ADD HAVOC QUICKPLAY OR SOMETHIN

[ripe obsidian]

I do not understand what you mean, I apologize

[verbal thistle]

They look at the loss (nerf) instead of the buffs

[austere warren]

^

Well

More like that the loss aversion makes negative changes amplified, regardless of the boons the update has actually given.

I'd word it more specifically like that but they're not far off.

[modest perch]

bro freaking out n panicking over any change whatsoever n then doomposting is like our tradition here

[austere warren]

Shit for yall sure I'd agree.

Or at least for folks that cycle those kinds of ideas over time. Unsure if it's at the level of other communities I've been in.

[modest perch]

im the king of having major league chudouts over nerfs (real or perceived) n then just sorta never acknowledging it

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

Not like this.

[modest perch]

excuse me my staff has 1% warp res i notice these things

my muscle memory remembers a 13% warp res staff

im popping again like a fuckin noob

[icy breach]

Can help ya if you’re still willing

[sacred crane]

Guh yah if ur willing! I've been wanting to experience a greater challenge

[icy breach]

Nice; later then cause i’m omw to work

[sacred crane]

Yah yah that is all cool with me!

[plucky flax]

This is tru

Cos most 30+ clearance ppl are not ready for 40. So chance of a 20 something clearance being good is even lower

[rich spindle]

Probably over 50% of people with 40 clearance cannot reliably beat a 40

[ripe obsidian]

What is reliable in this case? Reliable with a premade team? Or with randoms?

[lethal swan]

If i put +5% toughness, 20% gunner damage resistance, what's a good final stat to put for the Pysker for their curios?

[ripe obsidian]

CDR, imo

[lethal swan]

[strong gulch]

yo. Not cursed.

[ripe obsidian]

shock mines are

a godsend sometimes

[lethal swan]

I tried playing other psyker builds but I keep going back to greatsword gun lmao

[strong gulch]

just a little cursed if blue stim healing rager

the shock mines carried us

[rich spindle]

Like if you had 4 clones of them they would not beat a 40

[lethal swan]

I play mostly in Aurics/Malestroms and the people with 20-30 rating are usually pretty awful

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so functionally a premade rather than randoms

[rich spindle]

Sure

[ripe obsidian]

I think four of me could clear H40 reliably. Not sure. I can only play 2 classes comfortably at H40, and 2 others uncomfortably.

And then one just outright badly.

[tulip kettle]

i play psyker pretty well, usually

zealot badly

and i wouldnt even want to try anything else

[fierce crest]

4 inferno psyker clones :)

[strong gulch]

2 psykers and 2 arby should be good

[ripe obsidian]

I can play Psyker with any staff build pretty well, and Arbiter with doggo or shock mines. Probably would be fine

[tulip kettle]

some of the stuff you get away with on arb is insane honestly

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno + Shriek Psyker
Rending Trauma + Bubble Psyker
Doggo Arby
Shock mine Arby

[tulip kettle]

TDR and toughness gen go brrrr

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, Arby can survive so much

I have surprisingly low uptime on the +10% attack speed on hitting 3 enemies talent

Like, 15% or lower

[tulip kettle]

too busy bonking crushers

not wasting time bonking poxwalkers

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh yeah

should probably swap that to the other first node

[strong gulch]

ngl

that havoc round aged me

UVA and UVB could never

[ripe obsidian]

It was a tough one

[plucky flax]

I can't.

Too hard.

Oh I have super easy modifiers now. Purple and cranial.

No rot slop.

[deft stump]

You can carry now? Yay.

[plucky flax]

Well I was trying yesterday.

I tried so hard.

And got so far.

[deft stump]

In the end, it doesn't even matter.

(Cos lost.)

[plucky flax]

Idk I was killing the most specials on burga.

With 2 zealots and an arby.

[tulip kettle]

wanna join chaos?

[plucky flax]

No I'm going to work.

[tulip kettle]

sadge

leaving house for work 🤮

doing work at work 🤮 🤮

[plucky flax]

I need to make money.

For 5090.

[tulip kettle]

valid

[deft stump]

You know I don't do damage.

[plucky flax]

Wdym you should have top kills everything.

[deft stump]

No.

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated to Darktide: Mega Starmie is hilarious

[plucky flax]

Then what good are you if you're not carrying us?

[summer prairie]

not a good sign when a psyker is questioning me why I've a 450 rating sword

[ripe obsidian]

450 is too high, obviously

[deft stump]

That's the thing. I never said I was good. You know I always said that you two are carrying me the entire time.

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1429895985055928513/image.png?ex=68f7cde9&is=68f67c69&hm=541fd82e8488176b23b63f25a77dd8d2f44cfb881ee59d55b4e21513d350bed4&

[summer prairie]

he never got to show you, shame

[plucky flax]

I saw better psyker than me yesterday though was doing sprint cancel purg left click.

I can't do it cos I play toggle sprint.

[summer prairie]

probably some macro

[plucky flax]

I was told it can be done manually really eaasily.

Just left click then tap shift.

But with toggle sprint it's impossible and my finger is not strong enough to play hold to sprint in a 30+ mins game.

[deft stump]

I just dunno why you all just perpetuate the lie all the time...

[plucky flax]

It's what keeps us going in these dark times.

[tulip kettle]

its like goku in the gravity chamber anyway, if youre this good on 400 ping then truly a god on normal ping

its just common sense

[deft stump]

I am not. It just helps me not die when I'm not sleepy.

[summer prairie]

it's definitely harder than just tapping shift

not sure I can even get it to work, the grenade cancel macro what people use is way faster too

[plucky flax]

For left click purg?

[summer prairie]

even doing grenade cancel manually feels easier than this "just tap shift" cancel

yes

or maybe I'm expecting a much faster firerate

[plucky flax]

It's really fast.

[summer prairie]

I think it was a macro

it's extremely precise

I guess you can get a good rhythm but it still doesn't look fast manually

but maybe I'm not doing it right

[plucky flax]

Time stamp https://youtu.be/GFGjhs_FTvs?t=230

You have to keep moving forward.

[summer prairie]

I am moving forward

maybe skitarius or something is interfering

oh yeah

turning skitarius off makes it work

[plucky flax]

Hmm let me try with toggle sprint and turning off.

[summer prairie]

I had autofire lmb for purg

just disabling that is enough

[verbal thistle]

Whatcha cooking?

[summer prairie]

it's just purg lmb sprint cancel

barely worth doing

[plucky flax]

I already have that disable.

But I still have hold left click to spam left click for skitarius.

[summer prairie]

what, is that a global setting

just setting purg override primary to none

but this doesn't seem very useful anyway because you'd want to do this while backing off

[plucky flax]

Maybe I need to reset my skitarius settings.

It's fucked.

For range weaponm at least.

That option is permanently on even though I always had my override primary fire for purg as none.

[strong gulch]

ggs

[tulip kettle]

ggs indeed

everything was going so well in that one!

we were zooming

[summer prairie]

I don't know if it works without hold to sprint

[strong gulch]

Too bad I forgot to not take damage.

[plucky flax]

I played with gaze purg sprint cancel guy yesterday he was good

[weary crane]

This doesn't work for other staffs?

[plucky flax]

It should work for all but I think the way animation works it's easiest to do on purg

But have to use hold to sprint

[strong gulch]

Isn't sprint cancel super old and patched out before?

I remember doing sprint cancel years ago on surge.

[zealous wing]

so it went well?

or, loss?

[tulip kettle]

bit of both

0 net change lol

[strong gulch]

@tulip kettle Some of my weird little guys.

Cats knocked over one of my containers. 😭

[tulip kettle]

haha i knew it!

truly nurgle blessed

[strong gulch]

Chaos Three™ strikes again.

that's what I call the trio who are siblings

unless that are the chaos gods

[ripe obsidian]

I think Ascension Riser is now my most hated map

It is a slog

Of pushing through waves and waves of gunners

[modest perch]

same

[ripe obsidian]

If there were a single room that wasn't open space and gunners, it would be okay

[strong gulch]

The game acting like it's the only map available doesn't help.

[modest perch]

dude its those bombers chucking grenades over the trains in the mid event

[zealous wing]

its the gunners through the railings

and the bombers

and the snipers

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/stroke-brain-dead-die-dumb-gif-20796254

like i wanna just walk into the bridge of the moaningstar and press the big red button that nukes it from orbit

[ripe obsidian]

And it's long. Or it feels long.

[tulip kettle]

it is long

56 minutes and it wasnt a particularly slow run

compared to, whichever the next one we played was

[zealous wing]

even on damnation it feels long

[tulip kettle]

mid event at 16 minutes

[zealous wing]

the only part of riser thats enjoyable is end event, and thats mildly enjoyable, because it means almost over

[fossil snow]

How hard does crystaline will destination hit?

[tulip kettle]

its also fuckin easy compared to all the other sections

[fossil snow]

That big room with the trains is fun sometimes

If only because it tends to spawn big gun lines

[fossil snow]

Oh fuck

[tulip kettle]

this man just said

its fun sometimes

because it spawns big gunlines

[fossil snow]

I maintain the meaner darktide is the funner it is

Because it's funnier

[zealous wing]

those are what it kills on auric. neither flamer, neither gunner, and not scab shotgunnners

but, you can hit them a couple times first

[tulip kettle]

when the blob of crushers go "ploosh" in a cloud of green gas and soulfire

thats fun

when you stab the mutie in the face and KF procs and it goes "crkshh" and flops over

thats fun

[zealous wing]

when you stave bonk the reaper and kf procs and it goes "CRUACK" thats fun

[tulip kettle]

getting turned into swiss cheese by 30 gunners spread at all different heights and angles beyond the range of your weapon?

not fun at all

[zealous wing]

gunlines are only fun if youre a reconlaspsyker with ee

[strong gulch]

Dom and I kept ping ponging each other with KF procs and cranial coruption. lol

[modest perch]

i like getting the aoe brainpop in morty trials n seeing that proc

n then it procs kf

[zealous wing]

not perfect stats, but, for what i need it for, it should work

[modest perch]

n the killstreak mod goes past 100 n starts flashing different colors

[zealous wing]

snipers, trappers, bombers.

or, bursters

[tulip kettle]

just bouncing the burster towards me with trauma because, why would it not explode, right?

[zealous wing]

and, dog

[strong gulch]

i'm worse

don't worry

[tulip kettle]

stats look good

now just needs blessings and perks fixing

[ripe obsidian]

I wish Fatshark would put out new maps more often.

[tulip kettle]

i think the current season as a whole is cooked

[ripe obsidian]

Like one a quarter. Or once every 6 months. Or something.

[zealous wing]

well id asked but then i had to bail, so

[tulip kettle]

trash maps trash modifiers

[zealous wing]

i

[tulip kettle]

yup, understandable

rending on crit

then your choice of blessing to give crits

then flak and maniac if you want it for special killing

surgical better for sniping multiple snipers in a row

[zealous wing]

specifically, snipers and bombers, mostly, honestly

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten armor and stims both just feel like DPS checks. Especially with some enemies being nearly stun immune. It's not particularly interactive or engaging

[zealous wing]

trappers would be nice, but the knives usually work

[tulip kettle]

point blank better for quick swapping for the dog/trapper

[tulip kettle]

speaking of

blue stim gives 80% DR, i know this

[ripe obsidian]

It is hateful.

[tulip kettle]

in the guide, it says it also does in fact change the Armour type to carapace

[zealous wing]

what does this actually do on something like a trapper or bomber?

[tulip kettle]

but i heard here it doesnt

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know if it does. Lemme find the code again. It does something weird

[tulip kettle]

makes sure you kill it through the flak armour

[modest perch]

it kills them better

[zealous wing]

they have flak? thought trapper was maniac and bomber is unarmoured

[tulip kettle]

if you hit them on a flak armoured bit

depends where you hit em

[modest perch]

what flak ? theyre maniacs

[zealous wing]

head

[tulip kettle]

they are indeed maniacs

[zealous wing]

ideally

[tulip kettle]

but you will also use it to shoot gunners dont forget

and stalkers

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/633d7b6926f43d6cbb1c690fd315225efa09285d/scripts/settings/buff/mutator_buff_templates.lua#L322

if buff_armor_override then
            return armor_types.super_armor
        end

[zealous wing]

how much hp do gunners have havoc over auric

same multiplier?

[ripe obsidian]

1.5x maximum

At like... 38+ havoc

[zealous wing]

so it oneshotting in auric might not count for havok

[ripe obsidian]

It's 1.25x before that, down to like 1.1x

No, not at all. Breakpoints are kinda silly to build for in Havoc

Things are just too spongy

[tulip kettle]

so it does indeed turn them into carapace

it also doubles their hit mass from what i can see

and doubles their impact resistance

[zealous wing]

snipers and bombers were the biggest pain, and i could SEE them but couldnt hit them

otherwise im zooming around on this build with the DS

i suppose combat shotgun special slug could also work, but, thats less rapid

[buoyant maple]

Blue stim:

• Modifies armor type to carapace
• Increases mass by 2x (only relevant for weapons that can cleave through carapace, doesn’t interact with weapons that don’t interact with cleave)
• Grants DR based on their original base armor type (flak & carapace get x0.4, the rest get x0.2)
• Modifies impact calculation with -200% (this effectively means that they cannot be staggered anymore outside of forced stagger)

The DR effect can stack additively with pox gas’s DR effect for up to x0

[tulip kettle]

yeah so its as i thought

just, in here people had been saying it was only the DR and didnt actually make em carapace

but it does

[languid pine]

such a fun mechanic!

[buoyant maple]

The carapace swap is “less of a problem”, the DR is bonkers

[tulip kettle]

oh for sure

[buoyant maple]

A blue stim bulwark is the same durability vs melee attacks as Rinda Karnak lolol

[languid pine]

i love health sponges!

[tulip kettle]

but also, if you have say a horde clearing weapon that you dont bother with + cara on

it would make a big difference

like, say, soulblaze from inferno.

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think it matters that much actually

Cuz ur just not gonna do good damage vs them regardless of having carapace damage perk or not with inferno

[tulip kettle]

it means i know its literally just a waste of time to burn em

i mean idk

[buoyant maple]

I mean
Isn’t it usually a waste of time to inferno crushers anyway

[tulip kettle]

i dont wanna go into this again but inferno is very good dmg vs everything

most certainly not

i posted videos yesterday to demonstrate

[buoyant maple]

With absurdly high ADM boosts yea it can be ok at it

[tulip kettle]

nothing deals with crushers trains in havoc like inferno into uncanny force sword pushing

its not even close

[buoyant maple]

But like

Shouldn’t u have carapace on sword anyway

Uncanny only works when sword is in hand

[tulip kettle]

yes and thats what youre supposed to do

[buoyant maple]

I thought u were gonna put carapace perk on inferno

[tulip kettle]

this is from literally a H30

[buoyant maple]

This is the part I don’t get

[tulip kettle]

oh no

[buoyant maple]

Uncanny cheesing yea I get it

[tulip kettle]

but it also means that its just not worth my time to bother burning that one blue rager chasing me around

i should just stab it with my sword

where if it was just 80% DR and not changing armour to carapace it would be worth it

for safety reasons

[buoyant maple]

U can refer to kuli’s guide on this

Combine’s guide worded it really strangely

[tulip kettle]

i dont need to honestly, i understand when it is and isnt worth using soulblaze/inferno based on density, enemy types and DR, its just that, i was under the impression blue stimm made them carapace, but i asked here and people said otherwise

[buoyant maple]

U can always just check kuli’s guide he’s usually correct

[tulip kettle]

turns out they do indeed become carapace

id rather see it in the code

and now i have

and i now also know that if its one blue rager i should kite it and stab it, but if its 20 i should treat it the same as a crusher train and burn it > uncanny push from a safe distance

if they didnt become carapace then uncanny pushing would not really be worth

[strong gulch]

If only executer could proc of force sword PA like uncanny does.

[buoyant maple]

Don’t think getting a bunch of blues at the same time is all that often

[tulip kettle]

not common but i have certainly experienced it

warren streets PTSD

[tulip kettle]

im starting to consider dropping deflector even on shriek builds

i use deflector so little but superiority seems like value

even when im just PA and trying to stay out of overhead range

[buoyant maple]

Superiority is peak

U get stacks as long as any elite/specialist dies while sword is in hand

Doesn’t have to be kill with sword

And it’s almost as much STR bonus as slaughterer

And it’s Tstr

[tulip kettle]

yehah i think its the only thing i can do to make the blobs die quicker. It just feels risky removing deflector when already not running bubble

i dont use deflector much, like, maybe for 30 seconds in an hour long game

but in those 30 seconds its crucial to not dying

will need to see how it goes, and try to get used to not having it again

[ripe obsidian]

Uncanny + Superiority w/ 31 Soulblaze stacks is ~700 damage per tick to crushers

So not bad if you're out of other things to kill

Extra damage while you poke them

[tulip kettle]

nono

poking them scary

push from 8m away and let arby hit them 🙂

and by "not bad" you mean "the best aoe dps in the game"

[ripe obsidian]

In my last game before playing with you folks, I was poking crushers because everyone else was too scared

[tulip kettle]

i mean when we were playing together there were plenty of times where you guys are focussing the boss and im stood there holding back the armour train feeling VERY exposed

[ripe obsidian]

700 damage per tick still takes a while to kill an H40 crusher

[tulip kettle]

manfully pushing

i mean, sure

but look at the numbers from the game we played

its doing much, much more dmg than anything else

[ripe obsidian]

I tried to throw shock mines to be the frontline while I was hitting the boss