psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight is in fact high damage build.

[summer prairie]

it's still good if your team can do damage

[icy breach]

Even before it was oof

[plucky flax]

RIP my ogryn build.

[fallen osprey]

Ez to understand why 😄 Melee psyker is 99% of my playtime now, I can't stay away from melee for too long anyway

[lunar gyro]

FGS too fun and with a staff I'm too slow so I ignore staff gameplay

Melee forever

[wraith sphinx]

the reason I got hooked on gunker in the first place is because psyker had better build flexibility than veteran alongside the flashy psychic blitzes and peril stuff

[languid pine]

melee is always 10x more fun

[wraith sphinx]

now that no class is painfully shit to play anymore I've been warming up to vet again

[lunar gyro]

I still prefer vet before keystones

[fallen osprey]

I enjoy playing FGS melee focus with a staff lately, at least team doesnt blame me for ammo 😄

[lunar gyro]

My friends are all pretty fast to leave me behind if I have staff 😔

[fallen osprey]

Mettle + move spd on SCrier 😄

[prime elk]

hope you enjoy 1 build trees

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-molly-vibes-gif-20239452

not as bad as old zealot obv

but vet tree is kinda lopsided lol

[icy breach]

What happened?

[plucky flax]

It got nerfed.

1 stack of bleed per attack

And things got thicc so less stagger/cleave.

[icy breach]

Ah ye that

[icy breach]

Use charge not taunt

[wraith sphinx]

how is it lopsided

[plucky flax]

I always use charge never taunt.

[lunar gyro]

Do that branx still 1-tap crushers?

[prime elk]

bottom right is really strong, and ends up eclipsing the other pathing options, esp bottom left

[icy breach]

Well what can i say? They nerfed paul for me
Its grim to use it

[plucky flax]

I am so washed I can only play psyker and arby in havoc now.

[royal totem]

i thought you played zealot the other day

[plucky flax]

When I play support zealot team does no damage for whatever reason.

[lunar gyro]

Psyker and arby are the only ones I enjoy. Maybe relic zealot.

[wraith sphinx]

it always was though? but yeah it's even better now

[plucky flax]

It's so hard to win on zealot cos low damage problem.

[fallen osprey]

Same situation here.

[wraith sphinx]

MMF still mediocre but at least it's usable now too

[plucky flax]

Or I play like I expect them to follow me when I run ahead and book a bunch of shooters.

[icy breach]

Its your teams problem

[plucky flax]

But they hang back and cast bubble on their feet like 50 metres away

[icy breach]

Ye don’t do that

[plucky flax]

Like bruh

I have to run back to bubble when book ran out.

[icy breach]

Pay attention to your team

[plucky flax]

It's so sad.

[fallen osprey]

z

ahah

[plucky flax]

At that point I am so tilted I just want to rage quit.

[summer prairie]

never leave the bubble

[plucky flax]

Yeah and play 50 mins + mission.

[summer prairie]

60min

[icy breach]

Don’t rush simple

[fallen osprey]

that OK if you are not in to begin with 😄

[icy breach]

This game ain’t a race

[plucky flax]

[icy breach]

If you wanna race play hotwheels

[plucky flax]

I am waiting for forza horizon 6.

Gonna tokyo drift in japan bruh.

[summer prairie]

usually we don't move forward until we've exhausted the hordes

[icy breach]

And scream SEX outloud?

[dusk wren]

do traumastaff dudes go with scrier or with shriek?

[icy breach]

Both are good

[dusk wren]

what about blitz, i'm guessing brain rupture

[languid pine]

i like going shriek for the extra room clear

[icy breach]

And thats ok

[fallen osprey]

both

[icy breach]

Yes; covers poor long range capability

[lunar gyro]

I hope we get some new staves soon with different LMBs

[icy breach]

Beam staff from v2

Where is it?!

[lunar gyro]

I want the javelin staff with the machine gun primary

[icy breach]

I used that on unchained cause sniping gunner rats was a difference between life & death

[lunar gyro]

I never got to experiment a whole lot in v2 but it was my favorite staff

Alongside the elf staff if that counts

[dusk wren]

this looks good enough?

(i still have 2 points left)

[fallen osprey]

is that for trauma ?

[dusk wren]

yeah

[lunar gyro]

I prefer the elite slaying node in EP now that the base chance is 10%

[royal totem]

I thought hordes timed so you cant ever truly exhaust them

[dusk wren]

surely the charged fire is going to at least net you one or two charges

[lunar gyro]

It's mostly for popping chains of elites like shotgunners, but idk if it's actually good. I just think it feels better.

[icy breach]

Get quell speed & empyric resolve & you’re golden

[lunar gyro]

If you're doing blaze trauma I do something like this but I kinda rely on kinetic deflection more than I should probably

[dusk wren]

seems it's like 3 for warp siphon

[fallen osprey]

btw if you are not running brittlness blessing, you might take Penetration of the soul, since it allows you to do full damage from staff on crushers.

[dusk wren]

how good is the trauma staff on carapace actually

and bosses

[lunar gyro]

Mid I think

[dusk wren]

also, what's up with anticipation's "dodge duration"

is that actually anything or

[icy breach]

Dogshit

[lunar gyro]

I think its your window

[burnt gazelle]

0.8 adm

[icy breach]

Very nice; staggers well, does acceptable dmg

[fallen osprey]

Trauma allows you to CC crushers so ...it depend if you value it or not. And with the extra 20% rending it does his full damage so ... It's OK if you want extra control I would say,

[lunar gyro]

I just want soulblaze melee to be good

[icy breach]

Yes there is for every character a different time; don’t have the spreadsheet but its out there

[royal totem]

.......... i have questions i want to ask but idk who to ask ._.

[dusk wren]

ask everyone

[burnt gazelle]

A single trauma psyker trivialises civi etc, carapace w/o havoc modifiers

[dusk wren]

then i suppose you want single target damage/evasion focused melee for the sticky situations

[royal totem]

knife!

[burnt gazelle]

Knife/DS4 is a classic combo for all staffs

[lunar gyro]

I used dueling sword for my carapace slaying

[royal totem]

stab everything with a knife!

[dusk wren]

yeah, ds4 is a long time favourite of mine

a bit less once i remembered you can actually explode yourself if you do the parry as psyker, but still

[icy breach]

You use knife/DS for carapace
I use knife for mobility & mutant slaying
We are not the same

[lunar gyro]

Knife mobility feels like flying sometimes

[white sky]

Knife mobi+the animations feel good

I like that knife has multiple blocks

Depending on what attack you were about to send out

[burnt gazelle]

Duelling sword light/knife heavy lunge sliding just feels kino

[dusk wren]

i did use only knife as zealot/psyker/veteran before the DS

[royal totem]

@icy breach you seem knowledgable so gonna ask you a few questions if you don't mind. if you mind, just don't answer.

1. you can run out of enemies in havoc 40?
2. how does the mob immunity to CC after being CC'ed work

[white sky]

Im ngl you cant pay me to use DS now

[dusk wren]

you are missing out

[white sky]

Nah

Things boring

[dusk wren]

btw what perks for trauma

[white sky]

Feels like a cheap imitation of Saltz rapier

[lunar gyro]

I think I have flak/maniac on my blaze crit trauma

I might have to look at that again

[royal totem]

i only pull DS out when i have to deal with rot armor

[burnt gazelle]

I have flak crit on blaze but I didn't exactly test it strenuously

[dusk wren]

that sounds about right for blaze

[icy breach]

1; no; but you can pull every enemy from rooms ahead and walk for some time in empty hallways
2; simply put; elites & bosses once staggered and not chained will get stagger resistance to the point they won’t be staggered by the same stuff as before (excluding abilities); its most notable on crushers, bulwarks & bosses; simply pay attention to the animation and with time you’ll get muscle memory on when the stagger will affect the enemy again

[fallen osprey]

Shared a vid of a today run with psyker melee here #darktide-pics-vids message for those interessted in this stuff :); Without gun for a change

[royal totem]

thanks for the answers

[plucky flax]

Seems havoc just keep spawning stuff now.

[summer prairie]

I think you can still temporarily exhaust hordes. After going forward a bit the available horde count resets

[royal totem]

since rending increases soublaze damage, if i have like uncanny on a knife and soublaze sttacks already on things, if i just hit a few things in the head with my knife then the soublaze already on the enemies increases in damage right?

[weary crane]

It's constant specialist spam

[plucky flax]

When the smiter died earlier on riser in that open area where the 3rd medicae station is. We struggle to push forward as 3 man when rot armour train keep spawning forever.

Stuck in that big ass room for like 20 mins.

[summer prairie]

not sure if trickle horde is separate from that mechanic and rotten uses that for the spawns

[weary crane]

Too easy, add healing demonhost hordes

[plucky flax]

So we clear 1 rot elites blob, moves forward a bit, then the horde horn sounds and got chaffs from behind and another elites blob coming out from the door again.

Then we had to kite back... and yeah repeat.

[summer prairie]

seems like the run was doomed as soon as you lost the smite carry

should have protected him from the crusher

[plucky flax]

True. Overhead is too powerful against smiter.

[icy breach]

Smite users give smite a bad name; not good enough

[plucky flax]

I think he did like 300k damage.

[weary crane]

Smite is only good for bursters

[plucky flax]

Let me check.

It was 40 mins long and he did 420k damage.

Based

[icy breach]

Thats nothing; bad build

What i say? Smite users give smite a bad name

[plucky flax]

He died like 4 times so it didn't help.

[ripe obsidian]

You didn't keep him safe

[icy breach]

Judging by the time they were rushing

So ye; that has to be included in the equasion

[plucky flax]

Hate rushers.

[tough obsidian]

siblings what is the best elctro staff stats and what blessings/perks do i grab

[lunar gyro]

Late answer and someone with more concrete knowledge should prob fact check me but I think soulblaze values are already really high on non-carapace so rending benefits at like 25% the rate beyond a certain point

[acoustic jacinth]

60% WR dump, warp nexus and warp flurry (m2 priority)/ surge (m1 priority)

Yeah

[tough obsidian]

this is what i got

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[acoustic jacinth]

You'll want to reroll for more optimal stats, critical hit damage perk is eh

[ripe obsidian]

I also have a full ADM list in the guide

[tough obsidian]

very welll

[lunar gyro]

I was about to go looking for it but then I saw the gist of what I was looking for under that PotS bit

[ripe obsidian]

Glad it was helpful

[lunar gyro]

I love big guides

[ripe obsidian]

I'm adding to it regularly. It is far larger than I originally intended

[summer prairie]

The person who was smiting DH earlier had a trauma staff with tier 3 stamina and specialist damage perks, run 'n' gun and sustained fire. H40 ready

[fallen osprey]

Yes, 100% rending on anything but carapace and in fact it's even less than 25% of the rending (felt) on unyielding on flak armor since fatshark buffed the internal coefficient (the one you boost with rending) from 100% to 300% on those, so when you add rending to 300% it's even less % MORE damage in comparison. (edit : note that the 300% is 200% over the max so, it's 200/4 = 50% on top of that you add 25% of your rending)

[acoustic jacinth]

Best pal for carapace soulblaze

[lunar gyro]

Ohhh that's why it says 150% in the bonanza guide. That's hilarious

[fallen osprey]

😄

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze ADMs are pretty dumb

No idea why they're so high

[lunar gyro]

To make me feel even sadder I can't abuse it with melee

[ripe obsidian]

Just apply all the soulblaze then swap to a force sword with uncanny and spam push attack

Which is automatically a weakspot hit for some dumb reason

[lunar gyro]

If push still gave peril I would consider a meme shriek build for that

Or do you mean the followup

[ripe obsidian]

The push attack does give peril

Push itself doesn't

[lunar gyro]

Ah okay, I was thinking way back to when the base push did

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know if I played then

[lunar gyro]

I think it might have changed before full release even

[acoustic jacinth]

You can also use force sword activation for 4 stacks but it's a little riskier

[rigid sky]

What's a good set-up for obscurus? Carapace/unyielding unstable power/uncanny is the way?

it feels like it's strong enough to not give a shit about getting any +maniac or +flak shit

especially since maniacs tend to melt in inferno or get mindfucked anyway

apart from mutants who die easy enough to obscurus bonk anyway

[strong gulch]

Just blocking built peril in the early times.

[tulip kettle]

yes, this

[strong gulch]

If you have trouble keeping peril up for unstable while meleeing, warp ghost can help or changing to a different power/ strength blessing.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm pondering Deflector versus Superiority on Deimos. Catmiral swears by Superiority, which is fair, as it allows Soulblaze to rip through Crushers to some extent. Not sure how it plays with other elites as they all die too quickly to test. Plus, focusing on Superiority means no Blaze Away, which is a big loss. And Deflector saves me from a bunch of chip damage.

At the moment I am leaning toward Deflector.

[strong gulch]

Similar-ish argument to shriek vs bubble.
Taking KD vs not.

The other option is executor.

Gotta land those weakspots tho. At least it will work on a monster.

[marble crater]

Spicy food was a mistake, it burns my throat
I thought I was healthy enough already, rip

[royal totem]

._. i've had two people rage quit havocs today T.T

[strong gulch]

As for losing blaze away loss. Wouldn't you be switching to melee when it's basically only crushers left or a monster is in your face?

[royal totem]

oof

[marble crater]

I would run away

[strong gulch]

Oh feck you right.

Ignore me.

[marble crater]

Or dodge the Crusher overhead into my team here someone tried to bait me

[plucky flax]

Sry waas me

[marble crater]

Couldn't be me

[plucky flax]

I have a hard map + modifiers if anyone wanna join

[summer prairie]

what is it

[plucky flax]

Riser stim rot.

[marble crater]

By the way...

[plucky flax]

Too many crushers.

[summer prairie]

I'll play but we have to finish on the first attempt

[plucky flax]

Probably won't happen.

[summer prairie]

true, not without Karien

[strong gulch]

Then I'm out. I haven't played those yet.

[plucky flax]

If you want to feel the pain you can come.

[strong gulch]

Another time. I am feeling pretty slow rn.

[tulip kettle]

I'll be on DT at 7 if you're still not in game by then

[royal totem]

damn. knew it was you! 😛

[summer prairie]

this ps5 vet is bringing recon

[plucky flax]

It's big damage against crushers.

[royal totem]

i'd ask if it's ammo inefficient but i guess vet with the right loadout it works right?

[marble crater]

Vet with right loadout and aim will never have to pick up ammo

[summer prairie]

Agent I think he may have quit his previous game, the message looks different

[deft stump]

I was pushing to 40.

[royal totem]

you hit 40? 😮

[deft stump]

Assignment, yeah.

[royal totem]

congrats 🙂

[plucky flax]

World's first?

[marble crater]

Old

[deft stump]

To be more exact. I was playing support and running around.

[royal totem]

i played prayer zealot earlier today

it was a ton of fun

[plucky flax]

Ye when team does damage.

[deft stump]

Nuncio+Brittle dog.

[plucky flax]

No so fun when team doesn't do damage.

Oooh this arby is dogless shock mine.

This is free win surely.

[royal totem]

we had 3 people and we were doing ok till the event

[summer prairie]

aquila too

[ripe obsidian]

I'll ragequit you. >:(

[royal totem]

noooooooooooo don't do that to me Six T.T

[plucky flax]

Btw syllo get the voice chat booster mod to hear me.

I am very quiet.

[ripe obsidian]

This is true. I am still finding the balance of swapping for Uncanny. Would the weakspots on Push Attack for uncanny also do executor?

[summer prairie]

oh you were talking, I just heard some static

[plucky flax]

Just be careful when karien shout at your ear.

No I wasn't talking.

But like when I want to say something during game.

[strong gulch]

It should. I'll check.

[ripe obsidian]

Ascension Riser is a hard map for me. Until the end event. So many open spaces with unlimited gunners and specials

[plucky flax]

@tulip kettle you wanna come? We got abandoned by our vet.

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/141

[strong gulch]

Executor does NOT stack with PA.

It does with the special.

Executor decays a little faster than uncanny and drops if you miss a weakspot.

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate

[plucky flax]

Slow ps5 loading

[strong gulch]

It doesn't drop if you hit the air at least.

But yeah. Hitting a non- causing executor stacks to drop feels bad.

[ripe obsidian]

Superiority is a nice damage boost, but I am not sure it's worth it for me

[strong gulch]

valid

If deflector isn't needed, I suppose a way to look at using superiority is as a way to keep strength up when you have to swap to melee.

[dim current]

Anyone know why the warp slice blessing doesn't turn people on fire when paired with the blazing spirt blessing?

[strong gulch]

Because blazing spirit doesn't work on FGS special.

[marble crater]

Because Fatshark hates melee soulblaze

[strong gulch]

Specifically the ranged part doesn't work. If you use FGS like a big illisi, then blazing spirit works on the FGS special.

[marble crater]

Specifically the part we want to work with it, doesn't

[royal totem]

anybody want to watch me fail at havoc? i'm offering a first hand view lmaooo

[strong gulch]

stream or play?

[royal totem]

play lmao

don't think my comp can handle streaming

[zealous wing]

would but i think im doing a 4man zealot fleshwound penance run

[royal totem]

ohhhh that penance is spicy lmao

[zealous wing]

debating on, trying it with my full marty or removing the wound

and, no its not that hard

just do rolling steel

[strong gulch]

Did that in hab dreyko for my partner. Rolling steel coming in clutch.

[jovial juniper]

Because Blazing Spirit on the Force Greatsword is coded to melee
The Warp Slash is coded as ranged

[strong gulch]

I don't have time for a run rn. I can later tho.

[royal totem]

i'm just "helping" my friend lose

[marble crater]

You don't do flesh wound with extra wounds

[zealous wing]

you can

[zealous wing]

oh is it time

damn

[marble crater]

You can also light your house on fire to cook your steak

[zealous wing]

yup

[royal totem]

it's fine. i can catch you on havoc 31 or 32 or 33 or 34

[marble crater]

Neither is a good idea for what you want to do

[solid pond]

you lose 2.5% power comparing superiority and blaze away lol

while gaining uncanny stacks at the same time

[royal totem]

busy doing nothing atm. friend found out has really ass modifiers so not doing anything now

[summer prairie]

I think the arbi should have had more shockmines

[tulip kettle]

but did you win?

[plucky flax]

I tried to support.

[royal totem]

@strong gulch can i dm you a question?

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[strong gulch]

sure

[plucky flax]

We lost team had no horde clear and no damage.

[strong gulch]

sry it was me

[ripe obsidian]

Is fair. I'm just not sure the value of the damage is worth losing the defense of Deflector when using Shriek instead of bubble

[solid pond]

just

position gooder

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[zealous wing]

HAHAHHAHAA

got it on consignment yard

normal marty build

suck it

@marble crater

we were waiting for train to pop up

didnt even proc until death

[marble crater]

Good job

[strong gulch]

yay job

[jovial juniper]

The cops yearn for the smite

[zealous wing]

@royal totem status?

[royal totem]

they're in a h40 to try to get a better havoc map/modifiers if they win

so idk

[strong gulch]

I can play in a little bit. Like 20 minutes.

[royal totem]

i'm literally just standing here watching somebody stream

[zealous wing]

ah ok

[royal totem]

i assure you being in my strike team is a pointless endeavor atm

[zealous wing]

hehehe

how many slots are filled for the round with you in it, if you know?

[royal totem]

unknown

[plucky flax]

Man this arby is pretty low damage.

[tulip kettle]

say less

i think he killed us all there tbh

[summer prairie]

Are you playing another with him

[plucky flax]

Ye

I am on bubble knight.

[tulip kettle]

and carrying hard

[plucky flax]

I was doing good then I got stuck on a rail and got overheaded.

Not so good anymore.

[tulip kettle]

still bonking rinda off th edge was funny

[royal totem]

huh didn't know you could bonk rinda off an edge

[tulip kettle]

yeah her shield broke in front of me and i deimos H2 her off the edge

[plucky flax]

I'm scared to pick the same guy he was arby now on vet.

[tulip kettle]

ephrael was good

i think that arb is maybe a miss idk

[plucky flax]

He was okay wasn't that good in some rounds I played with syllo.

Both vets using recon on rot.

Is this op?

[tulip kettle]

-.-

[plucky flax]

I got kicked out of bubble knight so sad.

[summer prairie]

Bullied?

[royal totem]

how'd you get kicked out? thought it's your mission

[solid pond]

doink

[strong gulch]

am available for games now

[pale prairie]

Havoc 40 or bust

[strong gulch]

ok. can't host tho

unless smol havoc

[pale prairie]

Lmao

I am not actually at computer

I was just testing your resolve

[marble crater]

Oh a wild noob appeared

@pale prairiewhere have you been?

[plucky flax]

No as in psyker joined or he swapped to psyker.

And I was like guess I'll go another class.

[tulip kettle]

im pretty fucked

as in fucked off

he DC to swap to inferno

[plucky flax]

I'll stop for today. Like 20 losses.

Is too much for lil' moi.

[tulip kettle]

yeah no worries, ty for games

i wouldnt play with that guy again anyway

[strong gulch]

rip

[pale prairie]

Work and life has been too busy for me to flame you

[pale prairie]

But you only main psyker….

[pale prairie]

Wait what? Like left to then come back? Thats wild

[plucky flax]

Tru explained why I lost faster than when I was on psyker.

[marble crater]

As far as that goes, you didn't miss much, because I was too sick to flame people or get flamed

[pale prairie]

No it was me

[plucky flax]

[tulip kettle]

we did better when they played other class and you did BK

really annoyed at that last game tbh

[pale prairie]

Damn I knew something was wrong in the universe

[strong gulch]

Sut flamed me anyways.

[pale prairie]

Well yeah I mean 10 staff bonks to kill scab? Where is charged strike?

[strong gulch]

It wasn't buffed then. 😭

[pale prairie]

Hell yeah now THIS is Darktiding

[pale prairie]

It still worked though

No excuses

[strong gulch]

I don't think it worked on staff bonk then. I remeber being upset about it.

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

Nuh uh my vibes memory bank said it was actually BETTER

[strong gulch]

Wow. Memory worse than mine. You gotta be overworked. 😭

[pale prairie]

No U

https://tenor.com/view/got-em-lmao-mind-blown-squad-gif-17265113

[strong gulch]

You so right. 😭

I wish I was good at napping.

[pale prairie]

Just finished my lunch nap it was great

[strong gulch]

eating naps

[tulip kettle]

food coma

[austere cedar]

I would like some advice, i am trying to modify my Psyker inferno staff build and I wanted to try out the blaze force sword and i want to grab the kinetic deflection skill i am struggling on what to drop to get the last point i need or if i should just skip it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a023379c-e513-45ba-919e-ad29a4b6ccf7/inferno-force-staff-psyker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[marble crater]

Drop Kinetic Resonance and Essence Harvest for Kinetic Deflection and Perilous Combustion

[strong gulch]

One point left.

Also, weakspot and crit damage perks don't do much.

[marble crater]

Ah yeah, Quietude or Soulstealer for... Warp Ghost maybe?

[austere cedar]

is kinetic resonance not woth taking if i want to use brain pop more it seems a bit slow

[strong gulch]

Flak on inferno.

Unyielding and cara on deimos

[marble crater]

Just because you can use brain burst all the time, means you should, if you want to use brain burst as a main weapon I suggest going all in with also taking the middle keystone, otherwise it's... meh

[strong gulch]

It is slow but BB is not used much.

If you really want it, take it. But it does force you to use shriek when you otherwise might not use it.

If you really want to BB more, go EP BB.

[austere cedar]

okay, i havent really been using brain burst but i came over from assail and wanted to see if i could do better there

[strong gulch]

There are also a bunch of builds in the builds bonanza pin.

[marble crater]

Assail is better than Brain Burst, but Assail doesn't have Kinetic Flayer for my lazy ass

[strong gulch]

Assail has a lot more overlap in inferno in particular too.

[marble crater]

But it's a lot more fun

[strong gulch]

fun important

[austere cedar]

did not see that, honestly just was thinking brain burst cause im lacking in boss damage but honestly assail was much more helpful for cleanup

[strong gulch]

Just flaming the boss then stabbing it is good enough for left side tree build.

[marble crater]

Keeping the area free from other enemies can be just as important as damaging the boss imo, my psyker builds don't have good boss damage so I usually focus on killing specials and whatever is left of the elites

[austere cedar]

then this is prob better

https://imgur.com/a/HCiQXct

(i cant seem to upload images directly)

[strong gulch]

Inferno can maintain 15 SB stacks (can go up to 16 is last app is a crit), shirek for 21 to 22 SB stacks, then swap to uncanny melee and stab the monster. You get DoT damage and melee damage going with uncanny buffing both. Refresh SB with with a puff of inferno (just 1 is needed) before 8s to keep SB refreshed (again only 15 can be maintained on inferno). Repeat.

Only do this if nothing else is around. BB is slow and steady damage, but I admit that it can be done from a safey distance.

[strong gulch]

You need red name for image perms.

keep chatting

[austere cedar]

ok cool, that was what i was thinking

[austere cedar]

ok

[strong gulch]

Empyric shock is not great on inferno and etherial shards are not worth the point in this build. Take wildfire and warp splitting instead.

[ripe obsidian]

Right now it's just a worse plasma gun with an obnoxious charge time. D:

[strong gulch]

The charge time, even with flurry, feels bad.

[austere cedar]

ok, ive been mostly using deulling sword but ill try this build edit out, i felt i wasnt using the duellign sword enough other than the ocassional burster and mutant

[ripe obsidian]

Did you look at my builds/templates in the pinned guide?

I have a lot of talent explanations in the templates

And you're welcome to ask questions

[austere cedar]

sorry i didnt see that till it was pointed out after i asked the questions but ill take a look once i get back from work

[ripe obsidian]

No worries

[strong gulch]

DS is fine. Especially if you have KD.

Staff builds generally don't use their melee a lot.

[ripe obsidian]

I just want to share the gospel of the build guide and further cement my reign as king of the psykers. >:)

[zealous wing]

nerd

[ripe obsidian]

funny, I am currently adding a melee hybrid build to the guide for Voidstrike

[austere cedar]

ill def take all the help i can get

[strong gulch]

Don't make be take your pin down.

/jk

[austere cedar]

would this build still work with ds

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-king-iam-your-king-i-didnt-vote-for-you-gif-15594402

[austere cedar]

ds sorry

[ripe obsidian]

hey that's my gif

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[strong gulch]

VS is the one staff that I would say used melee a more. Even EK is twitchy enough to opt out of melee for the most part. So makes sense.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/no-kings-no-kings-la-la-la-la-la-gif-5103369714016206714

[strong gulch]

Ye. You have horde clearing options paired with s single target option.

[marble crater]

Can confirm, did an entire EK mission without touching my melee

[strong gulch]

I use my melee too much.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-itysl-tim-robinson-darmine-gif-6990077822131978261

[strong gulch]

omg stop yelling

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-screaming-man-steve-carell-brick-anchorman-brick-gueule-gif-20384482

[pale prairie]

Easy to do if you spend the whole mission dead

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-solutions-dave-chapelle-gif-13450651

[austere cedar]

Fair, I’ve been getting through damnation level missions pretty well and I’m trying to get better in auric and havoc

[pale prairie]

Ironically you will see inferno build get actually better/easier with the higher densities

Just learn to survive bosses and ogryns

[marble crater]

Slander #psyker-class message

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-liar-truth-shall-set-you-free-happy-celebrate-gif-16585142

[marble crater]

smh, doubting my amazing skill

[pale prairie]

You were good!

Then the COVID nation attacked

Now you’re cooked

[marble crater]

Was, almost 100% healthy again, hopefully

Will need to test

[ripe obsidian]

This is the Voidstrike bubble knight

oops, one small change

[strong gulch]

I'd play that.

[ripe obsidian]

This is good

I have added it to the guide, along with a description

[strong gulch]

My partner will try to stop me, but I'd give it whirl.

[ripe obsidian]

Someone last night was asking about melee + Voidstrike builds, and it got my mind whirring

[strong gulch]

There's also the arco classic

Rending shockwave and blazing spirit trauma using true aim. This trauma is used to set up melee or unfeck spicy moments. Is mainly a melee build.

[austere cedar]

Ok, thanks

[pale prairie]

Now you sound like @ripe obsidian

[strong gulch]

@spice veldt How would you build rendi blazing sprit trauma to set up melee these days?

[pale prairie]

You’ll play anything

[strong gulch]

Sounds like slut shaming.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-if-the-boot-fits-toy-story-gif-11553933

[strong gulch]

Look at my cool new boots.

Too bad I dislike shoes that fully encase my feet.

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s you alright

[marble crater]

My testing is very different, I strictly go by vibes

[pale prairie]

I can tell by the detailed character drawing

[pale prairie]

Is there another way?

99% of takes I see in this whole discord are basically vibes

That 1% is six and the handful of code monkeys

[marble crater]

Actually recording the results to see what is actually better

Just talking about his and my testing

Even if I wanted to, I couldn't test things properly anyway, lack of mods makes that difficult for some things

[pale prairie]

Oh right I forgot you are handicapped

[strong gulch]

And there's me. "I misspelled 1234 as 1243".

[marble crater]

and I play on console as well

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[royal totem]

Huh. Krieger reappeared

[marble crater]

He missed me too much

[tulip kettle]

vulnerable minds and this is my build

[royal totem]

Tracks

[pale prairie]

Ich liebe Deutsch

[marble crater]

Same

[ripe obsidian]

If I counted correctly, the guide has like 52-53 builds now. Maybe more.

[marble crater]

Needs 16 - 17 more builds

[ripe obsidian]

And someone in Havoc yesterday told me that Psyker doesn't have enough build variety. >:(

[zealous wing]

do you have a suipsyker build?

[strong gulch]

Seems overwhelming. So many.

[zealous wing]

ainz has one, seemed to work pretty well

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I tried to organize them well

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[ripe obsidian]

is a cheat build

[marble crater]

I hope nobody feels an urge to make a loadout for every one of them

[ripe obsidian]

like, actually

Bug abuse

[plucky flax]

Damn I missed playing bubble knight it's so based and fun.

[zealous wing]

bk is fun

you get all the power

[marble crater]

I don't think my builds are unique enough to contribute anything, by the way, else I would have sent you some

[zealous wing]

you have bubble, you control the team

[strong gulch]

Ye. I was mentioning that to who were more or less like "There's so much in there I don't even know where to look."

[strong gulch]

bk?

[marble crater]

Burger King I think

[plucky flax]

I was inferno shriek then a lvl 900+ psyker request to join and guess what he plays? Inferno shriek. So I was like fine I'll go bubble knight. Bro died like 7 times in 30 mins.

[pale prairie]

Yeah just look at the section you want

[pale prairie]

That sounds right

I would believe that Agent just does Burger King every day

He thinks it’s so fun

[plucky flax]

I flip burger at burger king.

[marble crater]

Yeah, he seems like the person to eat fast food all day

[plucky flax]

Tru I am super fat

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ltt-linus-tech-tips-linus-go-off-king-pop-off-gif-23742956

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think I know a way to make it more approachable

[pale prairie]

Like a bubble

[pale prairie]

No I think you did it the right way

Is there a way to track views?

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe?

[zealous wing]

only thing id say is space out the sections more at the table of contents

[pale prairie]

Cause maybe I am crazy but I feel we have fewer lost souls asking the same build questions

[zealous wing]

maje it smaller chunks of text

[marble crater]

It's approachable enough, there is only so much you can do, at some point people just need to read and figure out the information in front of them

[pale prairie]

ADD people are not the type to want to copy builds. They will just figure it out through trial and error

[ripe obsidian]

I do not seem to have an activity viewer. Alas.

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I tried to make pretty comprehensive templates

[pale prairie]

No I have seen a few build guides. You walk a good line between explaining mechanics and giving theory behind the build/just having the build

[strong gulch]

The only way I can see it being "better" is if the left tabs had different spacing for different groupings, bullet points or tacks, a bar to break up sections, putting the main focus of a build group in bold (like Electrokinetic Staff), etc.

IDK if those are possible or if that would actually help. Would any of that just cause more clutter?

Do the people who are overwhelmed just need a moment to notice how things are organized?

Would noting how things are organized help (would they read it?).

Are we assuming a higher base knowledge/ experience than we should?

[strong gulch]

Or just copy a picture then figure it out.

[pale prairie]

Yeah formatting probably just for ease of reading. Content I feel is solid

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know if that's possible. But that's why I separated things into different headings. The outline is automade. I could separate things into tabs, but I feared people might not understand how to navigate between them

[pale prairie]

I think average knowledge is relatively high. I feel most people that come to the discord have hundreds of hours of play

[marble crater]

Can the tabs be collapsible? So that it only shows all the EK build, when you click on the EK builds, might be less overwhelming then

[pale prairie]

Spoken like a veteran IT help desk

[strong gulch]

I am not very familiar with google docs and I was able to figure it out. I honestly think it's fine and fairly intuitive.

[ripe obsidian]

Different tabs are different pages

Which is my concern

[strong gulch]

Don't do different tabs.

I truly think that would cause problems.

[marble crater]

Exchange tabs with headers then or whatever this is

[jovial fog]

I started upgrading a Blaze Force Sword that has mobility as a dump stat, should I try to get one that has warp resistance as dump or is it not worth it ?

[ripe obsidian]

I am using headers

[marble crater]

Can you make it so that you only see the EK builds when you click on the EK builds and the other staff builds remain hidden and you only see the top category, is the main point of my question, I don't care what the grouping is called in google docs

[strong gulch]

Worth if you have the materials.

[marble crater]

Warp resistance as a dump stat is better, buuuut I am guessing you are a newer player and don't have a lot of resources to burn on that yet, so it's fine

[ripe obsidian]

That would be tabs

[royal totem]

cleared another 29. now i'm being forced into another 30 T>>T

i'm gonna throw this mission cuz i throw every mission. <---bad

[ripe obsidian]

Have you tried the gospel of our lord and savior, Creeping Flames?

[jovial fog]

Alright, thanks

[ripe obsidian]

I have concerns that tabs might make it harder for people to navigate the document in full

[marble crater]

I guess. I thought there was simply a way that grouped all the EK builds together into a + or something and if you click and expand that it shows all the different builds you have there now, instead of showing them all the time

[marble crater]

Ew

[ripe obsidian]

That's my option

[marble crater]

So be it, how about adding - or dots to the sidebar, like you did with the Index at the start?

[ripe obsidian]

The outline seems to eat bullet points

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian I sent the build doc to a friend who doesn't know the game, has significantly more brain fog than I do, and very little energy to do things. He was able to navigate it in pretty short time.

So I don't think it's a huge problem.

[marble crater]

It's not, would have just helped with the immediate overwhelming feeling some people had, but if google docs doesn't give that option then Six can't do anything about it

[strong gulch]

Some people may just want to be given a build and not do any reading at all. Had a couple people like that with my build pins.

But yeah, I can definitely see it be overwhelming.

Hence the whole discussion.

If people slow down a bit, I think they'll be fine.

[ripe obsidian]

I can maybe put a Recommended Build or something at the top of each subsection?

[strong gulch]

Oh maybe! Have a baseline and then chose your own adventure.

I had that thought earlier and then forgot to bring it up.

Things seem more "equal" or just as strong than maybe they otta.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm thinking of putting in bold and maybe a bigger font, "Recommended Build for Electrokinetic + Shriek: Empyric Resolve" or whatever for each section

[strong gulch]

Seems good.

Easier to zero in on / see and obvious what it is.

[weary crane]

only 1 build

Why's no one in havoc on Friday night

[patent mango]

havoc is dead!!! 🦀 🦀

[zealous wing]

yall aint no way

[ripe obsidian]

I've been joining mid-20s missions because there's nothing else

[zealous wing]

a friend i played vintage story with and havent seen/spoken to in ages is in darktide now

[weary crane]

I'm hosting 37 in EU

Hope I don't derank

[zealous wing]

literally he just got the game

[patent mango]

vintage mentioned

[zealous wing]

yall i cant contain the excitement, even though idk if we can play much together, due to region

need to see where the fuck virginia is

[royal totem]

what region are they in?

virginia is NA east

[zealous wing]

FUCK YES

[royal totem]

realistically though

[weary crane]

Send him straight into havoc 40 healing mutated armour

[royal totem]

i'm on NA west and between na west and east i feel no gameplay difference

[ripe obsidian]

as a native Marylander, it is my duty to say, "Gross, Virginia"

[royal totem]

so even if he's on NA west he could just play on east

[patent mango]

send him straight to Sedition 😨

[royal totem]

LMAO. i'm just......from california

imagine having the dog as arbitrator and just never commanding it T__T

[zealous wing]

sometimes i forget 💀

the specialist prio does heavy lifting on those missions

[strong gulch]

just send dog to the backrooms so it doesn't even attack stuff. It's just runs, stands around, gives up, then eventually comeback.

[pastel hornet]

Welcome back, male Seer

[weary crane]

Yeah fuck pugs my teammates are ahh

Bro what, I was in BoN and it just didn't spit me

It just took down my corruption all the way from max health until I died

[zealous wing]

if they dont take damage, they kinda just nom

[royal totem]

idk what prio they were but their dog did jack shit

[zealous wing]

same as CS, if no one walks up to it it chews you a lot

then, none

[royal totem]

what's even more offensive is it's after they told me to go dogless

[zealous wing]

HAH

[royal totem]

i'm happy going dogless as arb but it does mean somebody else has to pick up some slack

[long saddle]

charged strike with EP charge is p funny

I killed like 11 bosses on a boss spam maelstrom

[zealous wing]

longest prologue playthrough ever bro come ONNNNN

he didnt pick psyker first though so thats good

wont have to have the smyker talk

[royal totem]

........

speaking of smykers hexis

i just met my first havoc smyker

[royal totem]

i feel like you're a social butterfly lmao. you play with so many people haha

[ripe obsidian]

Social Norwegian? Needs to be kicked out of his country for that sin.

[royal totem]

idk, i've met lots of social norwegians. not really social germans though

[deft stump]

You never met @marble crater?

[royal totem]

well i have lmao. but ive only played with him once

see, i'm a noob @deft stump not many people dare play with me. i just derank people

[marble crater]

Playing with Nemui unironically gave me covid

[royal totem]

and this is also why people dun play with me

[marble crater]

As revenge I will drag you into auric on the weekend

[deft stump]

I need 70 more auric games for the penance.

[proper spoke]

I’m ok with not winning if the match is at least fun. Like everyone is playing wild builds

[royal totem]

i'm actually serious. i got into an h30 earlier and made somebody derank cuz i wasn't good enough. like i'm not actually joking 🙁

[marble crater]

@deft stump don't eulawot me, I played damnation with Nemui, Hexis and someone else to level their baby characters and one day later I had covid

[deft stump]

I'm bad enough I ask and wait for carries

[royal totem]

i didn't even need to play that character. All hexis told me was bring my lowest leveled psyker. so i followed instructions not knowing what we were doing

[royal totem]

but like.....you seem to play with chaos and syllo and hold your own well enough.

[royal totem]

like dropping the joke about you carrying and all, i feel like you have to do well enough and all. maybe not to carrying or anything but you're probs not holding the team back

[marble crater]

Joke about carrying?

[royal totem]

me into auric? i mean.......auric is very whatevs lol.

[marble crater]

I see

[deft stump]

Oh, I'm holding them back. Not in like, the instant loss way though.

[royal totem]

i have to actively ask Six and Catmiral to carry me to win ._.

[zealous wing]

yall he literally got the game because he saw me playing it all the time

[royal totem]

😮 damnnnnnnn

[marble crater]

Who?

[royal totem]

eh? well i mean.... umm.....as long as you aren't like dying all the time and such?

[zealous wing]

my bud from vintage story you have never met

we used to hang out all the time

[marble crater]

Okay

Don't care then

[zealous wing]

valid

but i have to spew excitement SOMEWHERE

[royal totem]

nah, that is super exciting though

i wish i had friends like that sometimes

but.....i'm really hard to be friends with so i have no hope of such a thing

[zealous wing]

[royal totem]

i'm really hard on myself, and get frustrated with myself all the time and i'm aware of that.

[strong gulch]

same

[deft stump]

I just ask Chaos and Syllo instead.

[deft stump]

I just panic.

[royal totem]

just games for you? or everything. for me it's everything.

[strong gulch]

everything

[royal totem]

mood

[ripe obsidian]

Added recommended builds to the guide. Can someone poke through it to make sure it's all reasonable?

[strong gulch]

Double VS spotted.

[strong gulch]

Ye. Later I can.

[tulip kettle]

scriers smite VS no less

gl

[marble crater]

Without mods you could have the thrill of not knowing if they are blast or strike

[royal totem]

well, at least syllo and chaos seem to enjoy playing with you enough to take you often

[tulip kettle]

also dont listen to karien gaslighting you

[marble crater]

At least they updated the names of the staves, but not the icon of one of them

[tulip kettle]

without her its loss after loss

with her its ez wins

"I DONT CARRY REEEEE"

[marble crater]

Just don't listen to Karien at all, maybe

[ripe obsidian]

Hopefully recommended builds help. I also have Karien's new psyker build at the top, and havoc meta information at the bottom

[marble crater]

Look, she is pro enough to have her own build

[deft stump]

You need to ask them about them. I'm very heavy.

[ripe obsidian]

Heavy like a wrecking ball smashing holes through the heretics

[deft stump]

I DO NOT GASLIGHT, IT'S YOU ALL DOING IT.

[marble crater]

Classic

[royal totem]

maybe that's true or maybe it's not. i don't really watch gameplay vids so have no comment on the truth of it. but they seem to enjoy playing with you and that's probs good enough?

[strong gulch]

it was bad

[deft stump]

Because I'm really not good. I'm just... somehow, things fall right at times.

[marble crater]

Was? It's already over?

[strong gulch]

yes

[marble crater]

It's been 5 minutes

[deft stump]

It's a build for newbies... WDYM?

[marble crater]

Please no flame, I'm sick and had enough fever

[royal totem]

if it makes you feel better, you're much better than me. like when i'm having a truthful assesment of my skills.....i'm just a bottom 10% player.

i just keep failing up somehow

[marble crater]

You called auric "whatever" so that's not true

[deft stump]

I'm a bottom barrel heresy player. I literally just play heresy unless someone drags me into auric, lmao.

Or when I poke for weekly havoc for the box.

[royal totem]

wish i could get a better box this week but it won't happen 🙁

[strong gulch]

barrel gaming, rushing ahead, idk how to use my tools

I can't carry

[marble crater]

[royal totem]

today.....i got blasted off the map by a barrel in a havoc 29

it was the cooling rod mission

[ripe obsidian]

Power Matrix?

[royal totem]

yeah

[ripe obsidian]

That one always feels unnecessarily hard

Not sure why

[royal totem]

Silo 18-66 feels unnecessarily hard lmao

[deft stump]

That's just Silo.

[royal totem]

i think it's cuz there are several large rooms there that are just death traps

and doorways that are deathtraps.....get a bad demonhost spawn and that hallway is REALLY a death trap.... it has boss spawns that can really really fuck you over

yeah no, power matrix is kinda a deathtrap for most of the mission. i find it's kinda okay post 1st event

[ripe obsidian]

Silo Cluster, Power Matrix, Magistrati, and... Ascension Riser

Are my current big four

Oh, wait, also the sandy one with the three power cores at the end

Excise vault?

[marble crater]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Most of my power matrix missions end in the descent from mid to end event or in the massive room right before the second med station

[marble crater]

So many hours and I have no idea what place that is

[ripe obsidian]

Power Matrix or the big room?

[marble crater]

Yes

[ripe obsidian]

Power Matrix is the one in the forge where you have to carry coolant at the end

The big room is one such forge where you have to cross back and forth like 3 times as you climb stairs

And you get shot at from every fucking floor

Three levels of gunners pewpewing

[marble crater]

End event after taking the elevator down?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

The long elevator

And you also get shot at from across the world when getting to it

[marble crater]

That section is fun, but can end in total disaster very quickly

Big room is the "mid" event?

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, pre mid event

[verbal thistle]

a fail run

*solo

[marble crater]

The room that's the entire floor with med station in the back right corner and you need to go up the stairs on the left?

[royal totem]

Same though

[deft stump]

Not game has been aborted?

Or error code 20xx/30xx for 3 people so wipe.

[ripe obsidian]

What class/build?

[verbal thistle]

zel knife shredder, invis IJ. H40 21st moebian Excise vault

I think that was 50min

could post the attemt unlisted

[rich spindle]

Lemme see

[royal totem]

Most runs i dun get errored out i lose in those sections

[rich spindle]

Your knife ij gameplay makes me nut

#nohomo

[royal totem]

When i play EU though i get errored out less

[deft stump]

EU, US... Error code whenever server wants.

[tulip kettle]

i cant watch ainz in vids these days

[deft stump]

Motion sickness?

[tulip kettle]

#penisenvy

[deft stump]

Oh.

[tulip kettle]

me : godamn it i couldnt carry this havoc 35

ainz : heres me soloing 40

[royal totem]

Its sad cuz true. Its only less in EU . Not nonexistsnt

[royal totem]

I thought 4 floors

[deft stump]

That's just Ainz. Get him in, party is STACKED.

[royal totem]

I was so heavy ainz couldnt carry me in h40

[strong gulch]

I've prevented Ainz from winning H40. No worries.

or is that damning??

[royal totem]

People say nice things like i just need to work on positioning and awareness. But in truth im mechanically not good enough

[tulip kettle]

just play more honestly

lots of mechanics just become second nature over time

[royal totem]

Im sure arb is braindead for some good players but it isnt for me

[strong gulch]

TBH, even with weak positioning, awareness, and slow reaction time, knowing the maps helps A LOT.

[ripe obsidian]

21st feels weirdly easy for a Havoc modifier compared with purple or stims or rot

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[strong gulch]

I don't mean by name. I mean where things are, where they go, etc

[verbal thistle]

its more fun

[ripe obsidian]

We all want to be Ainz when we grow up.

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh stuff like blue stim ragers or maulers aren't fun at all. They're just frustrating and oppressive. I spent like a full minute trying to kill a single blue stim mauler in an H35ish the other day. 21 stacks of soulblaze and constant Deimos headshots

[royal totem]

So 21st+cranial would be easiest possible set of modifiers technically?

[ripe obsidian]

Probably

Cranial is kinda a buff since it makes enemies die faster

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[royal totem]

I joke that ill try h40 again if you get that set of modifiers

Yellow stims are TERRIFYING

[deft stump]

WOT.

[ripe obsidian]

We*

We were so heavy

[deft stump]

Did you all break Ainz's back or something?

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just bad at the game

[sinful peak]

what's the hardest map and why is it chasm logistratum

[verbal thistle]

logi/oub/riser imo

[marble crater]

Silo Cluster with a bad team

[tulip kettle]

idk about riser i think its not terrible but everyone seems to hate it

[thorn cedar]

riser definitely has some real fucken sections

[verbal thistle]

I hate the terrain

too many slopes

[thorn cedar]

midevent until the actual end event is rough as fuck

yeah

[verbal thistle]

and too long hallways with gunners spawns at the end

[tulip kettle]

just the room with the med room half way that always spawn twins is hard

[thorn cedar]

logi i find not too bad until right at the end

the tunnels leading to the end event and the end event itself

[sinful peak]

I wiped so many times in chasm tunnel section

[verbal thistle]

too many triggers on a bad 1way

[thorn cedar]

waaaay too many

[verbal thistle]

the ambiance doesnt even spawn till you drop

btw

[thorn cedar]

and this is the improved section lmao

with ladders now

[verbal thistle]

the matryr skull parkour also has valid area for special spawns

so they spawn above you

[thorn cedar]

yeah that always trips me up

"THEY'RE IN THE FUCKEN RAFTERS!!"

[verbal thistle]

then the terrarin

so many slopes

so your dodges dont even work half the time

[ripe obsidian]

Logistratum is only really bad in the subway tunnel at the end. For me it's Silo, Ascension Riser, Excise Vault, Magistrati... maybe others.

But the subway tunnel is maybe the most challenging section of any map

[thorn cedar]

yea

really elevates its difficulty

if youre already having to clutch to keep the team alive before you reach those tunnels you're in for a rough one

im not sure ive clutched out those tunnels more than a handful of times

[ripe obsidian]

I often end up backing into a corner when twins and 2 bosses spawn halfway through

On top of the endless waves of elites and specials

[pale prairie]

Mind in Motion really makes this situation easy though

[sinful peak]

and a nice lil DH blocking half the map

[thorn cedar]

when i do clutch it its really just cheesing it

by making a break for it to the end event and hoping they dont spawn too much bullshit when they move my allies to the last rescue point

then you get to do the end event with three players at half ammo and half hp and probably no ammo or medkit (:

but dont worry, you wont have to do the lifting and carrying grumbles fucken morrow

[ripe obsidian]

Last time I tried to clutch, I was dodge-sliding to the tunnel revive point, through the train car, and a fucking Bulwark climbed up and body blocked me at the last second

And then everything chasing me caught up before I could kill it

[thorn cedar]

lmao

Gandalf the Bulk

[patent mango]

what if the warp is just every family guy episode being beamed into the psykers mind

[thorn cedar]

imagine hearing peter's laugh ... forever

[patent mango]

hey louis hey lou

[royal totem]

O/

[royal totem]

Then dont hyou have to do the event with like 5 bosses?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-true-sure-yes-yep-gif-10864726285259618341

[languid pine]

practice around with creature spawner

assuming you're playing frontline the only thing you need to train is crusher and mauler overheads, anything else you can dodge on reaction

darktide mechanically is pretty simple and id say the game leans more heavily towards the macro-side of things

[bright summit]

It varies on the build but the combat complexity is simpler yeah

[languid pine]

positioning, awareness, comp, strategy

[bright summit]

Every Frontliner all have a safety tools too

You can just never dodge overheads if you are good enough at using your resources sometimes which is a little fucked up

[languid pine]

even kiting itself is more simple than its predecessors since you can easily disengage from a horde

the general idea is to be aware of where your backline is and where the horde is

doing damage honestly is not your highest priority, that would go to staying alive and holding the horde back

most if not all runs will die from the frontline collapsing first

[bright summit]

Play to enable backliner as a Frontliner and play with your Frontliner as a backliner

Is kinda the way I look at it

And also adjust play style specifically to team composition

That's a more like "I want to play hard off meta stuff with 3 friends thing though but it's really good to know"

[languid pine]

https://youtu.be/Slhzr6T8woA?si=FyBfOFmoGDR3997z
this video is pretty good as a starter (although theres a lot more than goes into this)

[bright summit]

Like the ranged single target only backliners gets completely shut down by horde pressure and super armor usually and it's kinda your job to play so they need to melee stuff that gets on top of their position, funny enougb meta stuff like inferno and trauma are like oddballs in terms of traditional backlining id say where they are really good at taking and holding space from density but crumbles to special and ranged pressure

[strong gulch]

@quiet inlet

[patent mango]

with this video i might finally be able to beat low int sedition

[languid pine]

true...

[royal totem]

could use a bubble knight or prayer zealot 🙁

or a good vet right now

[strong gulch]

I could just be stupid, but I don't see the recommended builds section(s).

Oh got it. I was looking along the side unter document tabs.

[pale prairie]

clearly Six's fault

[strong gulch]

I didn't notice the "recommended build" under the first build. I was looking before that; under ELectrokinetic Staff vs Electrokinetic + Venting Shriek.

That makes sense.

[pallid stump]

pretty sure the question im gonna submit has been asked several times but

its not possible to make a "blitz build" is it?

[ripe obsidian]

Which blitz?

[candid temple]

you can smyte 24/7

with the right build

so yes, you can make a 'blitz build'

[strong gulch]

😭

[pallid stump]

my fav of em all

"brain blast"

i bet not

[candid temple]

bb, not really

[pale prairie]

absolutely

[ripe obsidian]

I can add one if you think it's worth doing

[strong gulch]

EP BB is a thing, but you still use other tool a lot more.

[ripe obsidian]

I have Potato's BB + EP build in the guide

[pale prairie]

you can do it. Ainz is a cracked player but he did a DUO Havoc 40 with a BB EP build

[strong gulch]

BB a lot but also other things a lot

[ripe obsidian]

Under Other Builds, I believe

[pallid stump]

wus bb?

[pale prairie]

Brain Rupture

[pallid stump]

oh and ep?

[pale prairie]

used to be BRAIN BURST

Middle Keystone

[ripe obsidian]

Empowered Psionics

[pale prairie]

that makes Blitzes better

[pallid stump]

alright

[pale prairie]

you will still have to use other tools occasionally but the focus is on using the double shield ability and BB to murder elites

[strong gulch]

No, after taking a look it's fine. It was one of the things someone with "fresher eyes" would notice.

[strong gulch]

I did a quick scan, and thing do look reasonable.

[pale prairie]

Yeah Six did good work

don't tell him that

He will start thinking he is a King

https://tenor.com/view/gold-roger-one-piece-king-gif-24916117

[ripe obsidian]

I need to get a crown

[strong gulch]

no

i forgot

no....?

yeah it's gone

[fiery stratus]

Man

[dapper grotto]

@ripe obsidian query related to your tweaking of build: why Vulnerable Minds?

[oak glen]

when did the recon lasgun became so popular on psykers?

im only really seeing them comming up for a week now

[signal atlas]

Empathic evasion or anticipation?

[ripe obsidian]

what build?

[ripe obsidian]

While Vulnerable Minds is only a 3-5% total DPS increase over the course of an H40 game, at least for me, the enemies it affects are usually the most dangerous targets that don't die quickly (trappers are more dangerous, but easy to stagger and kill). I want to wipe them off the map ASAP

[signal atlas]

Just came back and saw the new trees, I was running fire staff with shield and bb

[ripe obsidian]

Empathic Evasion is significantly better than Anticipation in almost every build.

Also, I have a bunch of builds in my pinned guide

There's one for Inferno + Shield, as well as a template for fiddling

And you can ask any questions. I try to tweak the guide regularly based on what I learn from playing and from other people

There's a changelog at the bottom

[signal atlas]

Where is your pinned guide? Love to check it out!

[royal totem]

in the pins

..........there are no havoc games going on tonight ._.

[dapper grotto]

turns out these banners have collission

[zealous wing]

awww baby havoc

[dapper grotto]

ask us how we know

[ripe obsidian]

Check the channel pins. It's the first one

[zealous wing]

ive learned enough to presume everything has collision until i know it doesnt

learned it the hard way also

[verbal thistle]

F

he left

[zealous wing]

LMAO

[ripe obsidian]

I've been joining a bunch of mid-20s havocs if there's nothing higher when I queue up. It's kind of freeing

[zealous wing]

2 psykers is like, ideal, isnt it? a spare liability is always handy

[royal totem]

i haven't been finding mid-20 havocs

[zealous wing]

i wasnt fast enough to join, it filled soon as i sent the ss

[royal totem]

wonder what Hexis's havoc is.

[tulip kettle]

I think there's kind of 1 unmistakeably "best" build for inferno, potato posted it earlier. The only options really are you can change bubble for vent depending on what you want to run, and drop KD for warp ghost and a spare point

[oak glen]

ive done auric mealstorm with a team of 4 psykers. no idea what that person is complaining about

[zealous wing]

cranial rot

[verbal thistle]

idk either

its funny though

[royal totem]

yeah but what difficulty and such

[zealous wing]

oh

24

[tulip kettle]

2 psykers is great if they aren't both running inferno/shriek

[royal totem]

also, i've deranked a ton again ._.

i'm back down to h21

[zealous wing]

f

[royal totem]

started at 25 today

😭

[zealous wing]

i was at 26, then we did the 40s

[royal totem]

actually i think i started the day at 23? went up to 25 then down to 21

are you playing with your friend atm hexis?

[zealous wing]

nah he went to bed a while ago

well, maybe not bed, but, offline

you dont know how hard it was to not infodump everything ive learned the last 2 months onto him xD

[ocean dome]

ello everynan

[royal totem]

you mean in the last week? :3

[zealous wing]

yeah sorry idk it just feels like such a long time

[royal totem]

oh. i instinctively hit accept without knowing what i'm doing lmao

[royal totem]

@zealous wing i've never won a havoc as zealot fyi

but i'm not throwing. trust

[dapper grotto]

so, tried the tweaked build, six, not particularly liking warp ghost, because that passive quell is something we do use often it seems

[strong gulch]

Y'all doing havocs again?

Warp ghost good. Especially for if you need to swap to melee off staff. You can keep your peril up while moving without doing as much fiddling with channeling while moving.

Makes floating in the higher peril range easier

But if you don't like it or it doesn't fit your play style, then is a skip.

[ripe obsidian]

3.5m damage in a 36 minute game. We lost, though.

Standing outside the bubble when a BoN is around is... not wise.

There were two bubbles up, too

[pale prairie]

ooof

sadge

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah

We were right at the end

I am converted to the church of Superiority, at least on bubble