psyker-class

[weary sable]

For Auric and below, yeah, just do what flies your fancy.

How so?

[icy breach]

Only flamer; purg has 15m range

[white valley]

Sure, but ammo economy is wildly different for certain weapons

Helbore Las vets can shoot for an entire havoc run

[weary sable]

True.

But we have been talking about Autoguns.

[icy breach]

Shock trooper

[weary sable]

The Helbore Las is not an Autogun

[zinc phoenix]

Even if the BAGs got amazing ammo economy such that you can shoot without ever picking up ammo it’d still be a risky pick due to the opportunity cost of not taking a gun that can deal with the actual threats

[quartz barn]

Vets*

[white valley]

I am aware that talents exist

[quartz barn]

Weapon doesnt matter

[white valley]

Weapon does matter

Even a plasma gun vet has to pick up ammo

[icy breach]

It needs to; its poor in ammo economy

[white valley]

A helbore vet can basically avoid ammo entirely

[white valley]

Indeed, which is a decent way to balance its power

[quartz barn]

I mean if you dump plasma into hordes sure

[white valley]

But BAGS have low power AND low ammo economy

[icy breach]

Bad build then

[white valley]

Bruh

That is just cope

[weary sable]

Bad build or bad fire discipline.

[icy breach]

I’m being real; bad build

[white valley]

Are you seriously arguing that a BAG is on the same power level as a plasma gun?

[deft stump]

Why use (not)Braced when there's Infantry or Vigilant?

[icy breach]

FUN

[thorn cedar]

dakka

[icy breach]

We never discussed autos to be on the same power lv as plasma to begin with; don’t change the topic - we talk about viability of them in Havoc and viable they can be

[white valley]

I do not care about viable

Viable is a meaningless word

I care about competitive, and havoc is seriously lacking in competitive weapon options right now

[icy breach]

And with that you’ve proven to be unwilling to even try things out
Thus this conversation is pointless cause you don’t care
Now go cope & seethe in a corner cause you are unable to even try things out out of your own volition

[thorn cedar]

Seriously, just do it anyway. I haven't taken a BAG into the new Havoc (maybe never will cause other games got me rn) but I did H40 on the last season with a BAG on Vet and Zealot with success.

[white valley]

Who says I haven't?? Ridiculous

I say an underutilized weapon type needs buffs and get told "just try it bro", as if I'm not talking from a place of LIKING the weapon

[plucky flax]

[icy breach]

IKR; shits mental

[white valley]

Also funny how I even said some weapons need nerfing but no one engaged with that

[icy breach]

Didn’t catch that sorry

[white valley]

Just this weird cope that BAGs are in a great place, alright then

[icy breach]

Nobody said they are in a great place; they are viable and thats different

[tulip kettle]

truly the master of mankind

[white valley]

I am not saying they should be plasma gun tier but I find it real hard to believe you all think they are fine as is and don't need a little push IF you have indeed played with them

[tulip kettle]

that win put me on 25 btw

[white valley]

Which is NOT what I am talking about

[tulip kettle]

so only lost 2 lvls in that session.

[weary sable]

There is a difference between fine and viable.

[plucky flax]

Pretty sure I wasn't the target of that net because I was so far away.

[tulip kettle]

it was me 😄

[plucky flax]

Could had been easier win if I was cooking on psyker.

[tulip kettle]

i was insta punished

yeah i blew hard that game

[summer prairie]

should have gone trauma

[icy breach]

WHOAH; what you played?

[plucky flax]

I played zealot.

I played wrong build though.

[tulip kettle]

the gold tough was great still

[plucky flax]

Should had gone on martyrdom ds.

Knife was not doing too much against crushers even with uncanny.

They are way too thicc.

[tulip kettle]

so sad seeing 31 stacks and me stacking uncanny

and they still just die SO SLOWLY

[icy breach]

Try mercy killer

[plucky flax]

Hmm what's that one?

Increased damage against bleed?

[icy breach]

Cause soulblaze ticks the slowest

[tulip kettle]

the biggest thing i think was the pings to show where to go, its very useful

[icy breach]

60% weakspot vs bleeding enemies

[tulip kettle]

stops us getting seperated or confused in the chaos

me, at least

[plucky flax]

It'd be worse horde clear. Not that I was clearing horde with knife anyway.

[icy breach]

Lacerate

[plucky flax]

I was playing lacerate uncanny.

[icy breach]

Try mercy with lacerate

[tulip kettle]

idk how syllo took more than double the damage i did but died half as much

[icy breach]

Wonder how that will go

[tulip kettle]

force of will keeping him standing

[plucky flax]

No uncanny is going to be rough against crushers.

[summer prairie]

i exploded twice so that farmed damage

[icy breach]

Unless you stack finesse to absurd lvs; there is a reason mk4 helbore chews carapace despite not doing alot of dmg by numbers to it

Its all about the stacks

[white valley]

Helbore carapace damage is wrong in the game

The damage displayed on the attack breakdown is wrong, must be showing uncharged shot ADM or something

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie karien is asking to carry us after I am back from work.

[summer prairie]

I can play later yeah

[icy breach]

Also don’t forget; knife not only has those blessings but also first target multi & you play zealot with duelist

[tulip kettle]

i would also be down if yall dont mind

[summer prairie]

going to be much smoother with her

[plucky flax]

Yeah she's very pro.

Put both of us on her back.

[tulip kettle]

[plucky flax]

(Let me play burga )

[tulip kettle]

please do

[icy breach]

Heeeeey; what about US?

[tulip kettle]

though i think me being dead so much nerfed my dmg somewhat

[icy breach]

I do remember our convo from yesterday

[weary sable]

[icy breach]

For sure

[weary sable]

Already forgotten

[plucky flax]

Sure in like 3 hours

Now I have to sit around at work doing nothing

[deft stump]

Just how is the party going to be now?

[icy breach]

OH… i will still be outside… and won’t come home at that time not today; its wednesday after all - i go trade cards in a shop

[marble crater]

Have you tried not being dead so much?

[icy breach]

Wanna switch? I will be scrubing stairs

[tulip kettle]

[deft stump]

I think you flame ppl more than me.

[tulip kettle]

twice is twice too many tbf

[icy breach]

As i like to say humorusly
Have you tried not being dogshit?

[marble crater]

I think not

[tulip kettle]

7 million dmg though

its too much

game is kind of a joke now

[deft stump]

Purple rot though.

[tulip kettle]

and so? the sheer amount of dps required is insane

[marble crater]

Right? Just don't be bad

[icy breach]

Or just stun them

[icy breach]

Just use CC
Oh wait; you’re using purgatus - that does not exist for ya

[tulip kettle]

i mean i spent a lot of the time pushing/ shrieking at half peril to stop others going splat

[icy breach]

[tulip kettle]

i try to cc as much as i can

[weary idol]

on which class?

I know for a fact that Psyker can get away with running dumbass shit in havoc just because of their questionable state of balance

[weary sable]

7 Million damage sounds excessive to me. It makes me think that you do a lot of damage, but are unable to finish of the targets and so they continously heal up all the time.

[tulip kettle]

i think its just the game now, rot armour + purple + crusher/bulwark spam

[summer prairie]

The total health of enemies killed was according to powerdi 6.24M and total damage 7.6M

[weary crane]

Who got 7 million damage?

[tulip kettle]

its total

[plucky flax]

I did

[weary crane]

[white valley]

Zealot in particular probably has the worst weapon selection, but nonetheless it could be better for all of them

[weary crane]

This is my record

[summer prairie]

90 scab flamers in total

534, very normal

[weary idol]

I would genuinely say the only weapon that you cannot run on Psyker right now are the braced autoguns, heavy sword, and voidstrike staff

heavy sword suffers from Psyker not having good anti-armor ranged weapons

[white valley]

Add Devil's Claw

[weary idol]

or Zealot's comedy button that gives them 100% rending

No

[white valley]

Wat

[weary idol]

Devil's Claw has purpose as a sidearm for staff psyker that annihilates ragers

It's not like the best melee, but it has a genuine use that other weapons don't offer

[upbeat kestrel]

we talking havoc or in general

[weary idol]

Dueling Sword parry can't be chained infinitely like dclaw can so it's not as safe

[plucky flax]

Jk I didn't i was playing support zealot and did fuck all

Just read book and chill

[white valley]

Needing a DC to parry ragers is a hell of a skissue

[weary sable]

Okay 7 Million total is more believable.

[weary idol]

Sure it is, until there's 50 of them because things have gone sideways, or it's rotten armor and your team is ass

[white valley]

Yes go ahead and parry the crushers and deal 0 damage to them

[weary idol]

dclaw also good into sword twin because just unga bunga mash parry

you're a staff psyker dealing 0 damage to crushers is normal

[white valley]

The gimmick is cool, but it needs to be better outside of the gimmick

[icy breach]

Total not by himself… yeah that explains alot

[thorn cedar]

it needs a catch phrase

[upbeat kestrel]

i would not say zero

[thorn cedar]

u should have funny phrases for every parryable attack

[icy breach]

We did more on purple

[thorn cedar]

preferably bad puns

[icy breach]

[white valley]

Sekiro deflect sound

[weary idol]

clearly what the dclaw sword needs is uncanny strike so it can kill flak enemies

[white valley]

Still low, a havoc crusher has 10k hp

[thorn cedar]

crush deez nuts -schwing-

[white valley]

True and real

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah i dont play havoc but parrying crushers is funny because you get no damage

[white valley]

Honestly Dclaw deserves uncanny more than duelling sword does!

Duelling sword already has good carapace damage, wtf does it have uncanny for

[upbeat kestrel]

dclaw in general needs a blessing revamp

[plucky flax]

Meme 9 mils total
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1425169480354500628/image.png?ex=68f07f42&is=68ef2dc2&hm=f6238e615958f3e2510f8cf7f4dea2d9f8a7f7d7b63c4fb5a692610565ed8c50&

[icy breach]

Glorious; keep flaming bby

[weary crane]

Chad Scripture enjoyer

[thorn cedar]

Justin Trudeau really is dating Katy Perry. Not sure what it is I'm feeling about this news but it's certainly a feeling.

[white valley]

Wat

[thorn cedar]

Right?

[white valley]

Oh but he is no longer pm right

[thorn cedar]

It's like a madlib.

Yeah.

Guess he really takes after his dad after all lmao

[white valley]

How weird

Peculiar

Bizarre even

[thorn cedar]

All valid words

Befuddling.

That's the one.

[white valley]

I visited Canada for the first time 10 years ago, if someone told me that Trudeau would date Katy Perry I'd probably have looked at them like they had 3 heads

[deft stump]

I mean, wot.

[tulip kettle]

they let you farm the trash mobs

actually thats crazy, we only had 2.1k melee lessers total

you killed that many by yourself in that 9 mil game

[icy breach]

Purgatus moment

[patent mango]

awesome devils claw moments and aura

[plucky flax]

I think Gloriana with the new havoc spawn is just crazy hard

[wraith sphinx]

Devils peak

[patent mango]

just 25 more hits to kill the crusher!! 🔥 🔥

[wraith sphinx]

YEEEEEAHHHH

They hate me because I love punishing myself

[white valley]

Devils claw enjoyers on their way to aggro DHs just to flex (they missed a parry and died)

[wraith sphinx]

Is that even possible

You literally just spam press the special action button

[steel flame]

I mean if you hold block while parrying, you can never miss

[white valley]

It's a joke

Although you can get hit while countering anyway

[steel flame]

Not if you hold block

[ripe obsidian]

No. D:

Fair. The extra point cost for KD is unappealing to me

[thorn cedar]

maybe KD finds u unappealing

ever think of that

[white valley]

You can't block during the attack animation can you?

[wooden sand]

Parry again

Spam parry and become immortal

[white valley]

True and real

[ripe obsidian]

I am unappealing

[steel flame]

You can hold block while spamming parry, it never drops block

Even during parry you still count as blocking

[white valley]

Interesting

Although you can get block broken against something like a DH right?

[steel flame]

Not unless you run out of peril

Long as you keep parrying nothing can break past parry as long as you have stamina

Dh can't break past peril block either

[white valley]

Ah for psyker sure

If you're running kinetic deflection

[deft stump]

KD+too much peril gain reduction+17 stam bars.

Oh and block effi for funni.

[summer prairie]

You can get overheaded while parrying with dclaw. After parrying an attack you'll be blocking but not parrying for a while

[steel flame]

This is true

There is a cool down after parrying an overhead

[thorn cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKMWDOl5gnM
holy shit, what a deep cut

probably hasnt played this song live in like twenty years

[plucky flax]

@tulip kettle @deft stump @summer prairie hi I can play soon just got back.

Waiting on @deft stump ...

[deft stump]

I thought you said soon. So I went to the bathroom.

[plucky flax]

It was soon.

Like a whole 5 mins.

[deft stump]

.-.

Then say 5 mins.

[plucky flax]

@tulip kettle hello sir

[marble crater]

Soon is also not 5 minutes for me

[strong gulch]

Hi chat.

[marble crater]

Hi

[royal totem]

Hi potato

[strong gulch]

👋

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-okay-slide-gif-15172486

[plucky flax]

Why is Karien so wrinkly? Explain @marble crater

[marble crater]

Old

[thorn cedar]

the weight of years of carrying

[royal totem]

Too much clutching

[mental rock]

Clutching of pearls, yes

[white valley]

Nah nah

It's the weight of the LEX

[plucky flax]

Is tru

[summer prairie]

with surge surge I'm conditioned to believe that if my peril is going up, I currently have SG active but no it's sometimes just me lmbing and SG on cooldown

[ripe obsidian]

Does this result in your head exploding?

[summer prairie]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate

[plucky flax]

Yeah when there's a dog around with a captain alive and it's 2 man clutch.

[deft stump]

Can't help, only got one med stim and I used it on you when you got near enough.

[summer prairie]

to be fair, I think Agent can usually handle a dog+captain and nothing else

[plucky flax]

Agent can't but probably unsanctioned can.

[deft stump]

Stop lying to people. Reeeeeeeeeeeeee

[royal totem]

Lmao

According to people Karien easily soloes a captain and dog though

[plucky flax]

Is tru

She first try h40 on her first game of the week carrying 2 psykers noobs.

[summer prairie]

it's a fact that games with her have been much easier

[royal totem]

See? See? Thats where i get all this info from

[ripe obsidian]

Karien's carryin'

hanya_yes.jpg

(I don't have emotes to respond with)

[royal totem]

Kinda like how Six hard carries me

[deft stump]

That doesn't exist.

[ripe obsidian]

It does now.

:(

[royal totem]

Dont give me the Eula stare. Its true Six hardcarried me

I died to gunners, which was rather embarassing.

[marble crater]

Karien carried me in havoc 40 too

[royal totem]

Ahh see? Another report of Karien's deeds

[ripe obsidian]

@solid pond hard carried me, is okay

[royal totem]

To be clear it wasnt even true gunners. Was the weak lame pew pew guys

[white sky]

Stalkers scare me more than most enemies in this game tbh

[royal totem]

Im only scared of crushers

And gunners

And grenaders

[white sky]

Stalkers and uhh

Stalkers tbh

[iron flame]

Tried auric maelstorm after thinking that i am getting decent at auric difficulty ... was a mistake

maelstorm got hands

[marble crater]

Try again

[iron flame]

😭 I literally spawn in, saved someone who was in a bad position and then got sandwished between 2 boss and dies

[plucky flax]

Auric and auric maelstrom is like the same. If you can do 1 you can do the other.

I don't think there are more specials in maelstrom (apart from stuff like muties train)

[summer prairie]

auric hi/shock and auric maelstorm are the same yes

[iron flame]

Oh really ?

[summer prairie]

normal auric no

[plucky flax]

Tbh havoc is the crazy one. So many specials this season.

[white sky]

Some maelstroms are harder than others ime

[iron flame]

I do play a few auric high intensity and although i don't go through it unscathed, i do complete the mission

[marble crater]

plus the extra maelstrom modifiers

[royal totem]

It does a bit sepend on the particular modifiers

If you have extra bosses kodifier and ppl on ur team arent equipped/ready to deal with it....

Dun feel bad. I started doing havoc b4 i passed my first auric maelstrom

[ripe obsidian]

Four bombers, three snipers, three flamers, two netters, two dogs, and a side of plasma gunners.

Most players are not prepared for it.

I've noticed a lot more flamer/bomber wipes this season of Havoc

(I am not exempt from this)

I need to do a pass through of the guide and change Just a Dream to yellow from blue, and adjust a couple builds based on played experience.

[plucky flax]

Just vibe and hope you don't die.

[tulip kettle]

ahh i wa shaving finner, did i miss the party? 🙁

[plucky flax]

Yeah everyone left.

[tulip kettle]

sadge

i missed karien carrying

though it seems it was easier without me being the anvil

[plucky flax]

Yeah she solo clutched twice.

Then t-bag me for like 2 mins before ressing.

[tulip kettle]

sounds about right

always flaming

trolling

and carrying

[marble crater]

Bad target prioritization smh

[marble crater]

But then saying things like this

[tulip kettle]

i have literally never seen sut flame anyone or tell them to get good or not die

stop gaslighting

[marble crater]

As a noob myself I would never do that

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, yes. I had a vet last night who asked me to take bubble so he could focus specials safely. I relented and did so, and I still killed more specials than him with Inferno + Bubble

[plucky flax]

Meta is meta for a reason I guess.

[sand field]

Boys, 3rd auric wipe in a row (2x highest damage, 1x 2nd highest damage), 4th maelstrom it took 5 seconds for a teammate to blast me into oblivion with a barrel. How do you keep going?

[summer prairie]

What's the meta build

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[plucky flax]

Vet krak book zealot burga psyker idk

[ripe obsidian]

"I don't know how to succeed in high difficulty so I am blaming the meta" - translated for you

[plucky flax]

Whatever you see in havoc.

[summer prairie]

I mean which video is he responding to

[plucky flax]

I dunno what he expects.

My burga vid with creeping flames. (It's not bubble so clearly not meta )

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly by not caring about winning or losing (mostly; sometimes I crash out) and playing because it's fun

[tulip kettle]

also syllo just casually killing 240 specials and 2 mil dmg with not a single shred of warpfire

[marble crater]

Play something else and try again tomorrow

[tulip kettle]

OnLy MeTa WoRkS GuYs

[sand field]

Playing is fun but I also need to get auric maelstrom survivor so I don't get rejected from havocs all the time.

[tulip kettle]

you will get rejected with that

means nothing

[ripe obsidian]

This is a guy running, like, chain sword + Voidstrike + smite + EP and is hardstuck in Havoc 23, probably. Mad he can't get the skin at H25

[upbeat kestrel]

i dont. once a day i have clinicla death. like leonid brezniev

[ripe obsidian]

I still get rejected with True Survivor

[tulip kettle]

people care about your build, your true level, your clearance level, and maybe true survivor

[marble crater]

What do these words mean?

[upbeat kestrel]

if you want to play havoc then #vox-lfg-lexicanum be preferable

[upbeat kestrel]

old joke about one of ussr leaders

[sand field]

I didn't know if it was worth using those channels, I'll give it a try tomorrow evening

[sand field]

why th ough

I get that they maybe don't want your class, but still...

[marble crater]

Because party finder is a stupid feature

[tulip kettle]

they dont like your build is often the case

[ripe obsidian]

Because people peek at my build with mods and see I don't have Bubble

[sand field]

I have meta builds -_-

[tulip kettle]

too many times i get rejected, then swap to inferno bubble and get accepted

[ripe obsidian]

And people can't survive H40 without bubble

[summer prairie]

if the party already has a psyker the rejection rate is like >90%

[tulip kettle]

yes but you arent also clearance 40 with true survivor.

[sand field]

... I have been playing vent psyker, this explains a lot actually

[tulip kettle]

also this, people dont like 2 psykers

[modest perch]

idk i like 2 psykers

[iron flame]

Hmm yea it is partly why i think i won't be playing havoc maelstorm because whenever i check havoc, i only see ppl doing 40 and no low level lol

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh 2 Psyker is fine if only one is Soulblaze focused

[tulip kettle]

i got a game the other day where the guy said we needed a 3rd psyker

[modest perch]

something by comfy about having a bubblebot while the other one does stuff

[tulip kettle]

"nobody else has dps"

[modest perch]

ok 3 is too many tho

[summer prairie]

two sb is fine, as long as it's not two purgs

[modest perch]

at that point might as well go all psyker

[plucky flax]

He didn't kill that many in the game just now cos karien was killing all the specials with her dog.

[tulip kettle]

karien carrying as always

[sand field]

should I run vent or bubble in havoc? With bubble I've had peril management issues after the last update, I've become a big vent fan

[ripe obsidian]

1 Inferno + Shriek, 1 Rending Trauma + Bubble, 1 SG Meleeker, 1 Bubble Knight

[tulip kettle]

vent more dmg, bubble much safer

[plucky flax]

He did manage 2 mils damage again though so pretty good.

[modest perch]

based. does rending trauma stack with pen flames ?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[modest perch]

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating Flames is a unique source of brittleness

So it does stack with other sources

[tulip kettle]

sad i missed it for real

[modest perch]

does is stack with pen flames from flamer tho

[plucky flax]

If you really wanna clear h40 easier I would suggest trying to play with shriek. Purg does pretty low damage without creeping flames to amp up 20+ stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Probably not

[plucky flax]

Bubble was really fine in previous seasons. But this season elites are way too tanky.

You need big ass damage to kill them asap before they walk your team to a corner.

[ripe obsidian]

I think smokes are better than bubble this season.

[summer prairie]

bubble spam is kind of op still, if it's not a healing map it's fine

[tulip kettle]

its weird but id much rather be in games where im the worst player instead of the best

[plucky flax]

Apart from bubble knight that's still goated.

[ripe obsidian]

With all the ranged enemies, my bubble rarely lasts more than 7 seconds

[tulip kettle]

and sure but dont you find that with PC and uncanny, even with bubble i see 31 stacks pretty damn often

plus the toughness gen and TDR are basically book but without the gold bit

[summer prairie]

you can run bubble purg with DD, take some melee stuff and fgs/ds

[ripe obsidian]

Until your team runs out of the bubble to chase down a single enemy, or run out of it because the Burgle got too close and it's scary.

[summer prairie]

maybe too expensive since you need ER if no shriek

[royal totem]

i just run like a chicken with its head cut off

[tulip kettle]

but... in the bubble is the safe place to be

thats so crazy

[sand field]

I hadn't thought of that, explains why I'm loving the damage with vent.

[ripe obsidian]

Not too bad

[ripe obsidian]

The game I had last night has left me salty.

I felt like I was herding cats

[royal totem]

what were you playing? 😮

also half convinced Six never sleeps

[ripe obsidian]

I went into an H37 to help randoms climb. Map was Silo Cluster.

[marble crater]

Silo Cluster explains everything

[plucky flax]

Silo cluster moment.

[summer prairie]

Or EP bubble with KR

[ripe obsidian]

I was on Shriek and then Bubble, lost both. Lost the first because the team wouldn't prioritize specials and the ground got carpeted in fire, lost the second because the vet chased a pox hound when a Chaos Spawn was out and about, then got pounced by the dog and no one could reach him

He was in voice chat complaining about being pounced while we killed the chaos spawn on the other side of the end event room

[royal totem]

lmao

.>

[marble crater]

Chasing a disabler, yeah that's smart

[ripe obsidian]

I could have saved him if I had Shriek. 🙃

[royal totem]

LMAO

[marble crater]

Oh well

[ripe obsidian]

I sleep much less than I should.

[royal totem]

OH WAIT was this the one where somebody complained about you not having bubble so he can't kill specials or some shit?

and then you ran bubble and he still didn't kill specials?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[royal totem]

pain

[ripe obsidian]

Guy also had power sword and said he couldn't deal with crushers without kraks

So whatever

[royal totem]

isn't like

power sword one of the best weapons for veterans to kill crushers?

i'm not too familiar with it personally but yeah

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

The empowered push attack does bonkers damage

[ripe obsidian]

Prior to the HP buff, you could pretty easily 2-shot a crusher with power sword

[plucky flax]

@tulip kettle the vet this afternoon played really well this game here that's why I was like surely we'd win easy. But he scammed me and got trapped all the time earlier.

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly

[royal totem]

how do i be good at using power sword? (i've never used it)

[ripe obsidian]

13 damage taken is impressive

[plucky flax]

Dodging with it is hard.

P swod is strong but rough when you have to solo clutch.

Cos it's slow and clunky.

[royal totem]

is it slower than FGS?

[plucky flax]

I just run away with knife and abandon team tbh.

[ripe obsidian]

Learn the combos, mostly. Someone like Path would be more helpful for that. It feels like a wet noodle if not empowered

So you need Power Cycler to make it actually good

[royal totem]

mm i love slapping my enemies with wet noodles (sarcasm)

[ripe obsidian]

And more or less have to empower it every 3 hits

So it's a lot of slash > slash > push > empower > repeat

[ripe obsidian]

Fair.

[royal totem]

huh. i see. i think catmiral was using it last night iirc.

[ripe obsidian]

I recognize too late that the team has run away and abandoned me, so my damage taken has been high lately

[thorn cedar]

"FIGHT LIKE YOU FRAGGING MEAN IT"
me, the shouter: -escapes in the chaos-

[ripe obsidian]

I was as well. I was more melee focused than him. His build was more for ranged damage

[plucky flax]

If I'm alive there's a small chance I can clutch.

If it's another guy the chance is less.

Sorry team but I'm outta there.

[ripe obsidian]

If you look at the scoreboard, I had like 2x his melee damage and he had 2x my ranged damage

[royal totem]

what was Catmiral's build. i'm so curious

[thorn cedar]

idk there's a fine line between preparing yourself to clutch up and just setting your own team up for failure so you can clutch

[ripe obsidian]

It was middle keystone and a lot of left side nodes

[royal totem]

i'll.......ask Catmiral the exact build later

[plucky flax]

I got found out.

[thorn cedar]

invis zealots suffer from that mentality the most, where they can reasonably save people from most downed situations but will instead skirt the edges of a fight for so long that the entire team dies and now you have to watch them clutch with a combat knife and an empty flamer for ten minutes

[ripe obsidian]

I had a clutch I was proud of. I was cornered by a rotten armor patrol and the ranged twin and managed to kill all the crushers and dodge-slide out without dying.

[royal totem]

dont call out my zealot play please. thanks

[ripe obsidian]

I have not been loving the rash of stealth zealots lately

[thorn cedar]

theyre really quite terrible arent they

i think that threat reduction node needs to be nerfed by having the bonus damage taken off of it

they take it for damage but inadvertendly fuck over their entire team

[gusty sapphire]

ive been wanting to try stealth zealot but it seems selfish

[thorn cedar]

it doesnt have to be, but it tends to be

[gusty sapphire]

and also kinda similarly i dont seem to do well with fury of the faithful builds in auric and havoc much to my displeasure because i find it fun to run

[ripe obsidian]

I think stealth zealots should be diving the backline to kill ranged elites and specials

What they mostly do is run in, stealth, and drop aggro

[thorn cedar]

instead theyre just stealthing to backstab a single crusher

in the front line

[marble crater]

I think stealth zealots should be shot into the sun

[thorn cedar]

with everyone else

(i am also guilty of this when the cooldown is up and i see that juicy backshot potential)

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, Zealot in general should be diving the backline. Book or FotF or stealth, they have so much mobility and survivability

[thorn cedar]

we're so fucken FAST too

[gusty sapphire]

eh
as a book zealot im a frontliner and like, support kinda

[thorn cedar]

i know psyker is the actual fastest but thats only with a rotating selection of temporary buffs

zealot just is fast

[ripe obsidian]

Best zealot I have seen in Havoc ran FotF.

[gusty sapphire]

weapon?

[thorn cedar]

a rusted spoon

[plucky flax]

A horde of nurgle-blessed monsters vs a crackhead with a knoife

[gusty sapphire]

i wanna use chain weapons as a zealot but like

theres just no time to do the special attacks

[thorn cedar]

my money is on the heretics, unless that knife has a purity seal on it, in which case its an easy win for the crackhead

[sinful peak]

love to see it

[marble crater]

Captain shields hate chain weapons

[thorn cedar]

chaxe12 is fucken goated

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1424392650538352671/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.10.05_-_14.46.19.08.mp4?ex=68f0f787&is=68efa607&hm=5b411abbfdbef209950d41b7d213b43d52035aeb0943154d8fd2745e3bdc4f94&

[gusty sapphire]

oh yeah i love chain weapons for melting shields

but the problem is, like

[thorn cedar]

jsut regular heavies on it demolish captain shield

[ripe obsidian]

Relic sword, forget which mark

[gusty sapphire]

when swarmed with crushers and maulers and bulwarks and whatnot?

[thorn cedar]

push attacks for the chaxe12

headshots with the PA stagger

[gusty sapphire]

you dont have time to wait foe the final hit of the special attack where all the stuff is concentrated

[marble crater]

Evis with special strike and stun lock them with crits

[gusty sapphire]

ill actually try this

been wanting to run the chaxe more

[ripe obsidian]

In a fun twist, since the rebalance I think Arby is probably the weakest class in Havoc. Or, the Arbiters I've seen have been very bad.

[gusty sapphire]

with fotf and evis, would you run IJ or BP

[gusty sapphire]

theyre very bad

i main arbi to do my havocs

im invincible

[summer prairie]

arbi is very strong

[gusty sapphire]

castigators/dogless/shock mine/forceful build

[marble crater]

I don't know what's best now, I haven't played zealot in a very long time

[summer prairie]

maybe #2 after psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I pick Arby when there's already a Psyker. I mostly throw shock mines and nuncios

[gusty sapphire]

crusher or maul-shield and long range mark exterminator shotgun for me

[gusty sapphire]

fuck

[ripe obsidian]

Then I have just seen bad Arbiters

[plucky flax]

Arby bullshit moment
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1426970488667897978/Desktop_2025.10.12_-_17.29.42.07.mp4?ex=68f11dd4&is=68efcc54&hm=21355bac4f2467a5decf432fec0aadd008df2e3bd3b5fe1d0ff3269874cf75da&

[thorn cedar]

nah the list is;
5) zealot
4) vet
3) ogryn
2) arby

1. psyker
2. psyker with mind in motion

[royal totem]

......dafaq is this shit. now the game terminates Auric games also???

[ripe obsidian]

Very silly

[marble crater]

Maybe you are lucky and you catch the zealot chat during the 5 minutes they aren't being weird and they can actually talk about the game and help you

[summer prairie]

haven't seen very useful ogryns since the patch

[plucky flax]

I can't play ogryn this season after my build got nerfed.

Extremely sad.

[gusty sapphire]

fucking nope

ive tried

its just a shitposting channel now and it fucking sucks

because i feel like zealot is the class id want the most help with

[marble crater]

There are some zealot players here, surely

[plucky flax]

I can help you I'm pretty pro.

I won a h40 today being book bot so I can recommend that build at least.

[thorn cedar]

haha see the funny thing about that is ......

[plucky flax]

[gusty sapphire]

yeah i have the meta build where its like

book, relic sword and flamer

[plucky flax]

Seems based.

[gusty sapphire]

works fine but flamer has me feeling a little iffy and i wanna do a fotf build because its more fun to me

[plucky flax]

I tried chastise relic in havoc.

I did okay but I just lack cc and killing power against crushers.

They are just way too thicc

Ds4 just kills horde of crushers faster and safer.

[gusty sapphire]

so i could probably do a fotf build if i run ds4?

[plucky flax]

I think it's probably still best to run relic.

But I hope your team doesn't fold in 3 mins.

[gusty sapphire]

yeah
it sucks cause i wanna have fun and fuck around but like

im basically forced into my arbi build or the meta zealot build

[weary crane]

Stealth zealot is good for team if they can just stay alive on any situation

[thorn cedar]

yea thats the if

too often (like 4/5 times) its a zealot playing at like 50% brain capacity for the match and then playing at a cracked out 200% capacity when they have to clutch out of what would have been an easily avoidable team wipe if they had just been running at over 50% to begin with

[gusty sapphire]

so in the event i run shroudfield for like the first time ever, i should use it to flank shooters and delete bosses?

[thorn cedar]

because you watch them and its like "wow this guy is good ... wait, why did we ever fucking go down then?"

[solid pond]

it still 2-3 shots them lol

dunno why my chat was in guam but

[thorn cedar]

more or less yeah

also good to pop defensively if your toughness cracks

[summer prairie]

maybe time to bring ds with surge surge for more mobility https://streamable.com/5lc0jx

[marble crater]

Please don't aggro a lot of stuff and then drop aggro by going stealth

[iron flame]

Gaze really is op huh ... somehow out damaged a bubble flame psyker with my FGS/Recon in maelstorm. Died once however

also eh Dump stat for staffs ... queeling speed or warp resistance ?

[long saddle]

res

[marble crater]

Warp res for all except voidstrike, which is blast radius

[royal totem]

warp resistance

[plucky flax]

No horde clear with ds4

[summer prairie]

only need it when making space

[royal totem]

thought clear is better than knife or am i wrong?

[plucky flax]

Knife with lacerate is better horde clear.

But knife is always worse single target damage than ds4.

[weary crane]

Ds5 is my beloved

I love having nearly 7 dodges

[plucky flax]

They should make ds5 heavies do same damage as ds4.

For the ultimate swag.

[strong gulch]

I was thinking of you when DS5 got bigger parry damage. "The 5 got more swag. I hope Agent is happy."

[plucky flax]

I play ds and parried when I wanted to cc something.

I am not used to this parry special.

[strong gulch]

I accidentally aggroed a DH. Half way through its health I finally remembered DS has a parry.

[gusty sapphire]

would you personally run thammer or knife

[strong gulch]

Before that, I kept trying to interrupt stuff with the special.

[gusty sapphire]

FGS gaze is fucking insane

bonus points for running voidblast with warp flurry and the critchance stacking with peril so you can just

[strong gulch]

My partner is a zealot main. I finally convinced him to give psyker a chance. He is an SG enjoyer.

[gusty sapphire]

spam the shit out of it in the lingering part of gaze

[thorn cedar]

i like both really, they fulfill different needs

[gusty sapphire]

could you explain a little? i wanna understand properly

[thorn cedar]

thammer backstabs delete basically everything, knife backstab only deletes some things

the trade off is mobility vs area control, the only overlap they have is ungabunga big number coming out of stealth

[ripe obsidian]

Silly.

[long saddle]

DS is p good for shroudfield builds as well

[solid pond]

yeah, cuz their HP got increased Yes. but the amount of damage you can get was also increased lol

[thorn cedar]

i also path both differently, ill scoop up the stamina aura with knife but thammer im going with the tdr aura

mostly because good balance is much better on knife than hammer, and faithful frenzy is much better on hammer than on knife

but also stam aura + swift certainty = hilariously cheap sprint cost

[plucky flax]

Because they play bubble... But tbh in maelstrom gaze melee is going to kill faster than flame staff if you're more aggressive.

[ripe obsidian]

I've just copied Path's Vet build. But I might swap my ranged weapon. I have a hard time aiming plasma

[iron flame]

ohhh i thought flame become stronger the higher the difficulty

but yea was surprised that i outdamage a flamer

[ripe obsidian]

It does, in a sense. Because enemies have more health, you have more time to scale up your soulblaze

And more density means more enemies to do it on at once

[solid pond]

quick thrown together thing with not alot of effort stacking things correctly and thats what I got on a H40 crusher lol

[plucky flax]

Yeah but auric things still die very fast.

So not enough ramp up time.

[strong gulch]

Ye. Flames need time to cook.

Enough frontloaded damage means things things don't cook as long.

[plucky flax]

Especially if the guy plays bubble.

[royal totem]

@solid pond Catmiral! can i has the build you used last night? very curious about it

[iron flame]

Yea last maelstorm, there is no bubble so i switch to bubbleknight and my damage dropped to the lowest. Feels bad.

[solid pond]

[plucky flax]

In maelstrom just play gaze.

The shooters are not that scary without emperor fading light 2.

[solid pond]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0074812-c02a-4fc5-ba59-0d211b821a8e/updated-unga?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[strong gulch]

The collective trauma of fading light 3.

[royal totem]

thank you :3

[iron flame]

Well my skill level isn't that high yet and i usually dies when faces with a bunch of ranged elites. So i usually just default to bubbles but eh yea just feels weird because sometime it is a run saver. Sometime it is straight up useless and i use it just toughness regen bot

[royal totem]

why do people play gaze/inferno staff O.O

[long saddle]

they don't know any better

[marble crater]

Inferno and soulblaze don't get stronger in higher difficulty, they become a lot more effective

[plucky flax]

For memes

[ripe obsidian]

Which is why in non-purple maps, good Vets and Arbiters can outdamage bubble inferno. D:

[ripe obsidian]

Press F to never quell

[royal totem]

nvm

he's running smite

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is strong. There's nothing wrong with using it.

[strong gulch]

Also if the psyker is dead for half the map.

(sorry about that)

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

I was more thinking about H40 games where I have run bubble and been sad at my damage output

Or lack thereof

[plucky flax]

[royal totem]

he's smite inferno staff and gaze 🙁

[iron flame]

Hmm since i am still in auric and doing maelstorm, i guess i will stick to gaze then.

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate. You might have a Smyker.

[plucky flax]

Btw six did you update the link to my burga build?

Abandon dream.

It's too hard.

@summer prairie I'm at max stack 21% last game according to uptime. Seems high.

Must be really pro.

[summer prairie]

Yes

Not even 100% perfect timing

[plucky flax]

Maybe I'm not that gud.

[summer prairie]

What are the question marks

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

Why no icon

[plucky flax]

Blaze away and uncanny.

Something broke I dunno

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, not yet. I will tonight. I have also abandoned JaD. It's good, but the peril spikes suck more than the damage resist is good, imo. I plan to demote it from Great to Good across most builds.

[summer prairie]

Surely something wrong with that shriek peril reduction buff, now that I think about it

The stack count always so low

[ripe obsidian]

It's always 8-12 for me as well. I don't think I have that many low enemy count Shrieks, but alas.

[tulip kettle]

yeah fair, though i was also being a mutie magnet in those games

just got a first try win on ascension riser though

[plucky flax]

[tulip kettle]

2014 twice though

[ripe obsidian]

35% Redirect Fire uptime seems quite good

[summer prairie]

Well the average count wouldn't be high since the duration is short

[tulip kettle]

i am shriek convert

bubble poopy

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't count downtime in the average

Or, it didn't before. Maybe it changed.

[summer prairie]

Big defence score

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[tulip kettle]

easier to get big number when your team arent all pros

get to do more killing before everyone else

[plucky flax]

Burga creeping flames + surge surge kind of op psykers combo

Surge surge to kill specials.

[royal totem]

dunno. they didn't keep up infinite smite or anything. also saw a shriek meleeker which was .....interesting too i suppose

[plucky flax]

Because vets suck at killing specials for whatever reason.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-scientific-fact-zac-sistas-proven-by-science-scientific-truth-gif-22427544

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it still doesn't count downtime. Else the Redirect Fire wouldn't have 5.17 stacks average

[royal totem]

you just need Karien to kill specials for you

[plucky flax]

Tru

I love it when she screams in the mic "Noobs I am killing all the specials why are you so useless do something"

[tulip kettle]

i can hear it in my head now

[plucky flax]

Or when our vet was on last wound and I asked her nicely to stim him and she just ignored me then 1 min later he died.

[royal totem]

mmmmm.....

probably decided vet too heavy.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/save-yourself-face-mask-oxygen-gif-21944075

[summer prairie]

She saved it for me, based

[plucky flax]

She knew you would go down.

Prophet.

Karien is my shepard.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-repete-commander-shepard-shepard-you-what-gif-13879410

[slim folio]

Hey, guys. What are the benefits of charged vs. Uncharged smite? Is it just the spread vs. Not waiting? Does the uncharged smite do more damage to the ones it hits or is it just the amount of enemies it can reach that changes?

[tulip kettle]

it do more damage and spread faster

but note, "more damage" is still "no damage"

[slim folio]

Sure, but I don't play high tier, so charged smite does more damage to everybody as well? Good to know, TY.

[tulip kettle]

just stop using it

honestly

learn to play and actually kill stuff

[zealous wing]

smite hinders more than helps in 99.9% of cases

[slim folio]

Nah, I like zapping it's fun. Thank you, though

[royal totem]

barrel

[long saddle]

it's ok, you won't see each other

they're someone elses problem now

[royal totem]

fair enough.

[slim folio]

Dang. I'm getting a lot of shit for this. I'll keep what all you guys said in mind i guess

[tulip kettle]

its not just you homie

the issue is, you dont learn to play using smite

then you go into harder difficulties, smite does nothing, and you are useless

[zealous wing]

smite in of itself IS fun, but yeah its caused a ton of issues with itrs existence

[slim folio]

I mean, that's what my weapons are for, right? To deal more damage, and take out the horde or stun them with smite?

[tulip kettle]

you cant use your weapon if youre smiting

[long saddle]

if you stun for 1 or 2 seconds, sure

[zealous wing]

smite tends to trap new players into thinking smite is the best way to deal with everything

[tulip kettle]

and you also turn off a bunch of peoples talents and blessings

[royal totem]

smite is "fun" until it blows up poxbursters in your teammates faces

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message read this

[strong gulch]

I'm helping my partner level a character in damnation. I did nearly a mil because no one could live or do damage.

A mil... on damnation...

[marble crater]

Is that a lot or not?

[tulip kettle]

yes a million dmg in damnation is bigly

[marble crater]

hmm

[long saddle]

spot the smyker

granted I was arby on auric

[marble crater]

I see two smykers with 10k and 11k staggered enemies

[deft stump]

@ripe obsidian https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa31888-06d2-48e1-8df3-94ae65064989/a-newbies-guide-to-beekeeping Beans said to link you that. It's an updated beekeeper newbie build.

[long saddle]

I think one of them was book zealot, but it was a while ago

[ripe obsidian]

I shall add this to the guide, thank you

[slim folio]

Ok. I get what you all are saying. I guess I just am playing more casually. I don't really play higher tiers. I'm open to the other two blitz, and I use my melee just as much. I just like watching 30 guys stop in their tracks or the specialists stop right before hitting me/teammate and let them beat them up for free.

[tulip kettle]

its fine dude play what you like

[ripe obsidian]

If you look at the build guide in the pins, I have a section on Smite and why it is looked on in a negative light

[tulip kettle]

we explained why its bad

it feels good in low difficulties, and if thats what youre playing then theres no problem right

[celest valve]

you can you just have to stop smiling so that people go flying

you charge smite up to target more enemies

then when you release smite, all the enemies you targeted goes flying to give you time to shoot

[ripe obsidian]

You can only use weapons while frowning.

[tulip kettle]

" you can use your weapon when smiting, you just have to stop smiting"

amazing, thank you

[celest valve]

the point is that you smite for a bit after you switch basically:p

[tulip kettle]

i would rather have just killed everything in that time

but thats just me

and nearly everyone else

[slim folio]

Then between Assail and Brain Rupture, is there a definitive high tier one or are they both viable in high tier with the right build?

[celest valve]

tbh it would be a buff if smite just stopped automatically if there was no one left to chain to and no horde enemies being shocked

[tulip kettle]

very build dependent

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I put a Smite section in the build guide, so we wouldn't have to have this argument anymore. D:

[tulip kettle]

they are both very good but different use cases

[long saddle]

brain rupture with kinetic flayer turns it in to a passive dmg boost basically

[celest valve]

literally making smite stop automatically would be a buff.

[slim folio]

Okay, I understand. TY again for the replies👍

[tulip kettle]

six's guide is pretty good

take some time and do some bed time reading

[celest valve]

tldr: if smite isn't going to kill an enemy stop goddamn smiting and swap to a weapon to utilize the cc

[strong gulch]

Depends on the build. BB is mostly picked for KF. Assail is mostly picked for right side tree (manily guns and melee).

[celest valve]

assail is also picked because it requires the least thought of all three blitzes

throw out some free damage woo

[deft stump]

Great for newbies.

[tulip kettle]

"Thats a great question! It really depends on the build. BB is mostly picked for Kinetic Flayer. Assail is mostly picked for right side tree based builds(manily guns and melee)."

this post bought to you by chatgpt summary

[long saddle]

man's getting called a clanker

[plucky flax]

Ask chatgpt if bubble knight is any good.

[tulip kettle]

was a compliment tbh

theres a lot of nuance and tato nailed it in one line

[celest valve]

BBs main purpose imo is specialist murder, but with ep or the cast time reduction on action skill it can be a useful anti monstrosity and elite blitz

[long saddle]

imagine being told you're an ai because you write decently

[celest valve]

if being called chatgpt is a compliment your brain is already a lost cause

[strong gulch]

I have too much mental fatigue and brain fog to be compared to chatgpt.

UNLESS

That's why it gets some stuff wrong.

[celest valve]

not even useful to make into a servitor

[tulip kettle]

erm, excuse me

[strong gulch]

OR IT'S BEEN TAKING MY BRAIN POWERS THIS WHOLE TIME.

[tulip kettle]

servitorisation is a holy blessing from the omnissiah

[strong gulch]

Dream stealer and memory harvester.

[tulip kettle]

its under your bed

[celest valve]

god that was the stupidest thing I heard today I hate it so much

[tulip kettle]

sounds like something a pre-servitor would say

nah tbh youd only be good for corpse starch

also assail has a pretty high skill ceiling especially when being mindful of MM

[ripe obsidian]

GPT just spits out whatever other people have told it.

I try to only use it for things that are objectively true or false

Like, what command in this old Fortinet firmware will make it fucking pass DHCP6 relay requests

[tulip kettle]

its good for summarising stuff

[ripe obsidian]

Until it hallucinates

[tulip kettle]

like ask it to summarise an article and it just condenses it down generally

[gusty sapphire]

i used chatgpt to screen from a list of pre-approved sources and see if there was anything in them that supported a stance i was taking for a final paper before

i doublechecked the links it provided and uh

it was good
there was actually usable info there that supported my stance

[royal totem]

i dunno why people are in such a hurry to open doors in this game

[ripe obsidian]

This is key. Double-check the info, always. I have had GPT outright lie to me more than once.

[long saddle]

it's like it creates one word at a time :^)

[prime elk]

The mistake was using ChatGPT to begin with instead of a LLM that doesn’t suck

[long saddle]

yeah get yourself a fat polyglot that walks down the runway every now and then

[tulip kettle]

@zealous wing stop making new psykers

[long saddle]

oops all psykers

[strong gulch]

@zealous wing keep making more psykers

[tulip kettle]

you have a problem

dont encourage others into your addiction

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pablo-escobar-pablo-stan-twt-standing-grandpa-gif-15901735077073339091

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-eric-cartman-just-a-little-bit-of-crack-crack-drugs-gif-5295946

[strong gulch]

dom picking on me today

[tulip kettle]

its a sign of affection

[verbal thistle]

@thorn cedar

Yeah

he got motion

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB but no Warp Splitting

[plucky flax]

Based

[ripe obsidian]

What is this build

I am intrigued and concerned

[zealous wing]

alright

[zealous wing]

okii

[verbal thistle]

idk

random H40 party finder

they are always a treat

its purg DS

with no warp rider as well

atleast its EP BB

[frail pewter]

how is this looking?

[verbal thistle]

No damage reduction is a choice

but looks good

wait

no PC

[frail pewter]

which damage reduction shuold I look into?

[verbal thistle]

in mission rn

but look at the center below aura

see what works best for you

[frail pewter]

okay
also I heard Perilous Combustion is usually overkill since you do so much Soulblaze already with flame staff

[plucky flax]

[zealous wing]

more fire, or less fire

[frail pewter]

hmmmm

[plucky flax]

More damage or less damage

[zealous wing]

you have wild fire, so why no PC

[frail pewter]

okay, maybe YT comment lied to me kek

[zealous wing]

HAH

yes

[frail pewter]

then again I also heard it here as well

I could have sworn

[marble crater]

For sure wasn't a psyker main who said that

[frail pewter]

okie fair enough 😄

[marble crater]

Point them out, so we can collective flame them

[royal totem]

you ever seen how soublaze damage stacks? it's basically a large jump between each stack from 1-11 and you get stacks faster if they already have stacks on them. etc etc.

[fierce crest]

[royal totem]

basically, if you're playing purge staff then PC and wildfire good.

[fierce crest]

when will wildfire be good :(

[zealous wing]

was it this

[zealous wing]

its always been

[marble crater]

Unless you go looking for that information it's very hard to notice in game, to be fair

[royal totem]

also, you could just not take the skill that makes BB cast faster after using your ability

[royal totem]

i'm not flaming him. i'm just legitly asking if he has

i rarely flame people

[marble crater]

Karien has a lot to teach you

[royal totem]

only people that open doors before the team is ready

[zealous wing]

you flame yourself a lot

[marble crater]

I open doors and then close them again behind me at the start of the mission, to annoy my team

[frail pewter]

probably not
but maybe I hallucinated the comment kek

[marble crater]

I do flame myself yes, I'm a noob after all

[zealous wing]

there are indeed people who insist WF and PC are useless

[frail pewter]

probably just some tzeentchian demon misleading me

[royal totem]

me? nah. i never do that

[fierce crest]

pc is insane

wf is meh

[oblique sage]

It's in character.

[royal totem]

all i'll say is if i was a better player i would've been able to kill both the chaos spawn and the captain by myself and save the run

just need Karien level skills kek

[zealous wing]

i cant even solo an uprising captain as a level 1 psyker in the first campaign mission yet

youve got time

[royal totem]

yeah but i'm playing arb

don't you know? i'm so OP everything should just die as soon as i touch it

[zealous wing]

dog or dogless

[frail pewter]

I was thinking that helps pub games where you need to kill bosses, or needing to do so while clutching 😄
but maybe that's too greedy

idk

[zealous wing]

if dogless, then thats why you lost

[royal totem]

i wasn't dogless

[zealous wing]

dog damage on monstrosities is ridiculous

[royal totem]

i had my dog killing elites and specials for me

[zealous wing]

valid

i usually make my dog switch targets every now and then though

[thorn cedar]

yesss, yessssss

[royal totem]

you can take it if you want if you feel you get enough use out of it. but it might be better elsewhere. i can't personally confirm

[frail pewter]

does dog get the whole +50% damage against montro buff? I imagine it does

[zealous wing]

it counts as your damage so i think so

[royal totem]

in the end i got boxed in and done in by a sniper 🙁

[zealous wing]

?

oooooof

[royal totem]

but there was just too much. a few poxbursters and a sniper and a flamer and a pox hound. i killed the chaos spawn but cuz captains have an artificial kill timer kinda ..... ya know

[zealous wing]

out of curiosity, what weapons

im enjoying both shield ones still

but i imagine ill need to switch one or the other

[royal totem]

some people do run both shield ones iirc

[zealous wing]

shot pistol is just such a good snipe tool

[thorn cedar]

i read the rest, nevermind, i rescind my approval

[royal totem]

on that build i'm using arbite shock maul and exterminator shotgun

considering switching from shotgun to bistol on that build though

[ripe obsidian]

Look at the pinned build guide

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1428132488672317551/41CD351.MP4?ex=68f16386&is=68f01206&hm=a750f176e8497d9e088316ab6ad778c271c319cbbb0fb6eb6b64ce167b8098eb&

captain bug ending a run

[zealous wing]

bug?

[verbal thistle]

see the arby?

he got 1 shot through toughness

[zealous wing]

yeah but, ive never seen this happen, was it the pulse?

[fierce crest]

i didnt know regular captains could do that

ive only had rinda do it to me

[zealous wing]

i presu,me it was the pulse dealing dmg it isnt supposed to

[fierce crest]

yeah

ive seen it kill 2 players at once

[tulip kettle]

its been the same for a long time, its the knockback animation just instadowning you

[verbal thistle]

all bosses with bubble shields can 1 tap you through even gold toughness

[zealous wing]

thats bullshit :(

[fierce crest]

its very funny

[verbal thistle]

I have a clip somewhere where it killed 3 people can triggered until death on the 4th

[fierce crest]

lol

owned

[verbal thistle]

so a would be wipe if they wernt zealot

its funny because it was a hour long h40

at the end of the end event

[oblique sage]

I'm sorry that's a new one.

PTW didn't register for a frame there and it killed him.

[verbal thistle]

probably already happened to me ~50 times

I have like 20 clips

[strong gulch]

Yeah I've been killed by shield multiple times.

[zealous wing]

D;

[ripe obsidian]

Has happened to me a few times

[strong gulch]

It's surprisingly common. Not the most common, but happens often enough to "Oh yeah. This again."

[ripe obsidian]

Not sure if it's better or worse than the invisible sword captain combo

[oblique sage]

I can't say I've seen one yet, but I've also seen surprisingly few Arbitrators.

[strong gulch]

It's from catain or twin sheilds.

[sand field]

now I know it's not on me when my tank ogryn suddenly drops from full health to shreds.

[royal totem]

huh. so it wasn't just me imagining things

good to know

[marble crater]

Happened a few times in our damnation adventure last week

[acoustic jacinth]

Shield kill? Happened to me and the team repeatedly yesterday

Weirdly enough it seems like

When it happens once

It keeps on happening

(Somehow)

[royal totem]

i had just been assuming i got overheaded by an invisible crusher

[fierce crest]

those are called maulers

[zealous wing]

maybe they meant crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Darktide has great jumpscares. Silent crushers, silent bursters, silent dogs...

[nocturne dust]

Nonsilent bursters getting pushed towards the group

[marble crater]

I got jump scared by a hound, I heard it was behind me and thought it will run past me, up the stairs to my right and then jump me from the front, jokes on me the dog behind me on the same level and jumped me a lot sooner than expected

[royal totem]

nah normally i just push them towards the psyker

[strong gulch]

push them towards a netted player then say sorry

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-little-one-im-sorry-sorry-thanos-gif-22851713

[nocturne dust]

I keep getting jumpscared by enemies that walk straight through me to target someone else

[marble crater]

[royal totem]

uhhh ever had a poxburster walk straight through you to walk at your teammate? ._.

[radiant frigate]

sometimes yes

also scary when the crusher clown car has some walk through you to go bonk other people and now you are super surrounded

veryniceyes

[royal totem]

._.

i no want that crusher clown car

[lone ravine]

havent had that, but my friend had a very huggable burster

[royal totem]

LMAO

sometimes i hug poxbursters cuz i want to make friends

[strong gulch]

so scary

Unrelated.

Dear game. Please stop disabling my right click. This only happens with you. I wanted to block, but you wouldn't allow it.

I wanted to charge my RMB for staff, but you denied me.

madge

@steel flame 666

[steel flame]

thats from a few days ago XP

[strong gulch]

Friends list is behind.

social menu is washed

[vernal temple]

Is DotNL some kind of Darktide celebrity?

[verbal thistle]

for the wrong reasons

[vernal temple]

I occasionally see him on the Mourningstar and he's always some insane level like 3000+

[marble crater]

I think I have him blocked

[verbal thistle]

imfamous speedrunner that speed runs every missions he plays and wont stop running

[marble crater]

For sure have him blocked then

[verbal thistle]

its a good idea to block him

[sinful peak]

I saw a lvl 5300 earlier

[royal totem]

blocking people doesn't stop him from appearing in like QP right?

[vernal temple]

well that's not very cash money of him

[marble crater]

I block all speedrunners in my mission though, it's not personal

[marble crater]

It does

You can't be matched with people you blocked, unless someone invites them I guess

[royal totem]

nice

also, damn. hexis is popular! always in a full strike team every time i look at my friends list lmao

[strong gulch]

It's all hexis. All 4 players.

[royal totem]

lmao xD

[marble crater]

How do you think he is such a high true level in just one week?

[royal totem]

hexis clearly too good

need to have him carry me in h40 clearly

[ripe obsidian]

A bunch of people cheesed levels early on. There was a bug that made exp curios stack on death or something

[marble crater]

So what you are saying is, true level is useless

[royal totem]

damn. now i know why i keep getting rejected tod ay

true level too low

[verbal thistle]

always was

[marble crater]

Put exp perks on your curios

[marble crater]

Someone should tell parts of the community