psyker-class

[austere warren]

Is there havoc rank decay?

[patent mango]

but then i'll have to do it again anyways later

and ughh

yes

[austere warren]

Hmmmmmmm

How...long before decay?

[patent mango]

1 week

season drops u to 30

[keen wagon]

how long does it take to get the twitch drops? claimed the rewards on twitch hours ago

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-smh-disappointed-sad-no-dude-gif-6128933

[patent mango]

try restarting game

[austere warren]

Drop to bottom in one week?

That's lame

[patent mango]

u drop 1 rank a week

[wispy bay]

Also, it is vet gear only.

[strong gulch]

If it was just grind up to 40 and that's it you just keep it so you can play it whenever, I'd be fine. The derank sucks.

[austere warren]

Ohhh

[keen wagon]

i did, at least 5 times

[patent mango]

mayb relinking twitch?

[wispy bay]

Check vet?

[strong gulch]

Make sure your accounts are linked.

[austere warren]

Yeah that's still lame. I like doing other things than playing darktide. Me no like.

[keen wagon]

yes, checked with vet

[wispy bay]

It should be at the bottom "common" cosmetic.

[keen wagon]

and got the drops last time and did not change anything

[austere warren]

Like if I get to 40, just let sit there. If I gotta step it up to make it better on myself and my teammates over time, sure no worries. Entire deranks just because I'm not on this game 24/7?

https://tenor.com/view/stanley-sleeping-the-office-gif-18600658

Ranked decay makes more sense for like competitive game genres

I'll still run havoc when I get to it but until then I can run around scrambling to salvage backfilled aurics and enjoy myself all the same.

[keen wagon]

nvm, got the stuff

[static vessel]

I did this and now I look like this

what did you make me do

[proper osprey]

[patent mango]

my guys flying

[static vessel]

help

I think the second coming is in this rager

help.

This image is really funny with this caption..

[cedar berry]

Hello, i want to complete the Malleus Monstronomus penence, can someone help ?

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

But why

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

hmmm

today I will not take any DR

(a pub havoc person)

also

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[verbal thistle]

this one

[pale prairie]

That guy played pre patch psyker

[ripe obsidian]

The symmetry meta!

[pale prairie]

I mean the symmetry is nice but

[wispy bay]

The 10% smite damage thing apply to charged strike, too, right?

[ripe obsidian]

I've been using Immaterial Focus + JaD on Empyric Resolve builds, then Immaterial Focus and OwtW if I don't have ER.

[pale prairie]

Then you think about the talent synergies (or lack there of) and cry

[wispy bay]

WIth illisi or FGS, that can make Auric trivial.

[pale prairie]

Charged strike and lightning speed should be the same talent

[ripe obsidian]

This symmetry is slightly better. Not good.

[pale prairie]

I mean at least it’s more build coherent

[wispy bay]

With charged strike, you don't need EP for smite.

[pale prairie]

EP and charged strike interact

[ripe obsidian]

I need symmetry

[wispy bay]

They say that about EP KF, but find the power increase is so meh.

[pale prairie]

For KF? Yes. For charged strike it makes it good

[wispy bay]

It is additive damage.

[pale prairie]

*better

[marble crater]

*gooder

[strong gulch]

ep charged strikes staff bonk

more ppl do it

please

[marble crater]

No

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kyloren-sad-star-wars-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-adam-driver-gif-11159545

[marble crater]

Damn trolls

[pale prairie]

Don’t speak of your people like that

[marble crater]

I don't troll, when playing with only randoms

[ripe obsidian]

I finally got around to looking at Kuli's enemy guide. It's quite thorough

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743

[pale prairie]

Kuli is as Kuli does

[pale prairie]

Well yeah I think potato is advocating hurting friends not strangers

[marble crater]

Kuli is the short version of the German word for ballpoint pen

[marble crater]

I stil won't, weapon special is pressing down the stick, would be pretty awkward as a main form of attacking

[pale prairie]

Remap and then forget when you load in next and die because of it

[marble crater]

Remap would only take a few seconds, but nah

[pale prairie]

germans are lazy

[strong gulch]

That's more awkward than spamming the C button all mission.

[pale prairie]

Mouse side button

[strong gulch]

that's dodge

[marble crater]

Germans aren't, I am

[pale prairie]

You mean quell? That’s on there too

[plucky flax]

You're bavarian.

[marble crater]

You are fake asian

[strong gulch]

R

[plucky flax]

[marble crater]

Ruell

Codge

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stroke-cool-gif-27292157

[ripe obsidian]

I need to figure out Zealot and Vet builds eventually

or, more likely, steal builds from Path, Ainz, and others

[strong gulch]

Yes

brains only for psyker

only steal

https://tenor.com/view/bear-gif-782053658099424730

[patent mango]

horse

[ripe obsidian]

I am looking at the new Zealot tree, and I have no idea what I'm doing

[marble crater]

Just pick everything that increases melee damage and gives you buffs on dodge, or something

[ripe obsidian]

I have just clicked buttons. I imagine this is actually quite bad, but alas.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-kinda-kindof-kind-of-gif-5168321

[pale prairie]

Ah arbites building

[thorn cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/my-eyes-gif-5314502384487986587

You'll prune it down after maybe ten rounds max

Stuff that was so auto-picky or mandatory before because of pathing can be safely ignored which is a weird feeling.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not pretending it's good, ha

[thorn cedar]

Like believe it or not you didn't have to take Second Wind!

It's crazy I know!

Or even crit tdr

I will say tho that the bleeding enemies node right above piety do be doodoo

only procs off your own bleeds, nobody elses

so very limited range of functionality that is almost immediately supplanted by Purge the Unclean

[ripe obsidian]

the +15% damage one?

[thorn cedar]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

Unfortunate

[thorn cedar]

quite

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly use Evis XV and Relic Blade X on Zealot. I like big weapons.

I just want to press F to run at things and hit them

[strong gulch]

I still haven't tried relic blade.

[thorn cedar]

you use the XV, which is based. but you use the X, which is not based.

why must life cause such conflict

[ripe obsidian]

X has an easier attack pattern for unga bunga brain

[thorn cedar]

my brain must be ultra unga bunga cause i could not fucken get the hang of it

that poke would just come out of nowhere

the II clicked almost immediately

[ripe obsidian]

I haven't tried the II in a while. I can try it again

[thorn cedar]

but the X befuddles me

[marsh badger]

which 1 is the 2 light 2 heavy and vice versa one?

[thorn cedar]

the x p. sure

[ripe obsidian]

Well, do you have a good XV build for unga bunga brain?

[thorn cedar]

yes

Wrath Rampage

[ripe obsidian]

I currently have shred+rampage

[thorn cedar]

martyrdom for fun, IJ for efficicacy

[ripe obsidian]

Crits make my brain happy

[thorn cedar]

and obvs TWBS but that's no surprise

The eviss have kinda meh crit scaling

id rather just juice the damage and the rev consequently

something to be said for shred + pstrike but i feel like other weapons could use the tree you'd build for it waaaaay better

[cosmic cobalt]

It's fine

[austere warren]

Forgot my spread but I run bloodletter and...forgot the other one as of right now for the 15. Breezy builds that use simple and efficient tools never a bad thing though it can get boring for me eventually.

Too bad though because I adore the chain weapons in most cases. I think the only one I can't really get too much behind is the chainsword that isn't the Cadia one.

[ripe obsidian]

In quick testing, it looks like FotF actually works properly with the Evis rev attack now? Like, using FotF while mid-attack doesn't seem inherently better anymore.

[thorn cedar]

Oh yea they did fix that

[austere warren]

It's not entirely necessary. I can't tell what they really did but it's bit more intuitive than before.

[ripe obsidian]

well, the damage output looks identical, or maybe slightly higher with FotF before the attack

[austere warren]

There's still odd camera snatching that happens with the chainaxes but it's not as sticky since they changed that ages ago with dodge canceling successful revs.

[thorn cedar]

Chaxe12 fucks so hard now

[austere warren]

Which one is that again? The ortis one?

Pr whatever it's called

[thorn cedar]

the hell is an ortis

[austere warren]

I don't remember the name.

[thorn cedar]

oh the weapon name

uhhhh shit idk

[austere warren]

Oretes?

[thorn cedar]

Orestes

We did it

It's the 'new' one

[austere warren]

Some shit whatever the one with the angular thing yeah

I'll give it a try since I don't think I've ever actually used it. For whatever reason I like pairing chain weapons with bolt weapons. Or hammers and bolts. It's mostly a personal theme thing for fun but I like shredding and busting armor and monsters a lot.

[rare mesa]

new ds parry makes me go nut nut

[austere warren]

The beauty of the crucis2 thammer got even better after the rework and I'm kind of in my own personal heaven rn with some of these zealot martyrdom and shroudfield builds.

[thorn cedar]

Yea thammer is quite dope with the new Unfaltering

[austere warren]

Goofy and good. Love it.

I mentioned it before but I'm so happy that left side for veteran got all this love

[cosmic cobalt]

right side vet:

[austere warren]

I adore builds for setups made to just turn precision ranged weapons into anti-shooter powerhouses. I unironically just have my left side heavy vet builds just chilling out rn. I finally graduated from infantry lasgun and p. Sword to helbore p.sword lmao

[austere warren]

...yeah. we'll see if what comes later juices up infiltration. It's a little lame that that was the only part of veteran that got less sauce

[cosmic cobalt]

literally only infiltrate got nothing but bottom right is op

[austere warren]

It got the 30% jump and its older updates intact but nothing else which is weird.

[thorn cedar]

Not true, they rolled the damage node into it, yeah

Could've used its cooldown reduced to 30s

[austere warren]

I think they could've swung merging the -90% threat tbh

[cosmic cobalt]

as i said nothing

[austere warren]

It's small but huge for what it provides.

Maybe giving it new weird stuff or something.

[strong gulch]

chainaxe 12 is the rev heavies

chainaxe 4 is the one with rev lights

[austere warren]

Kind of hard for the Krubspyre-Bardin class to struggle with whipping out a Huntsman kruber kind of arrangement n i think that blows

[radiant frigate]

IS IT

caps

[cosmic cobalt]

your eyes look like jared leto in bladerunner

[royal totem]

4 psyker run? 😮

[strong gulch]

someone with unhinged taste (same)

[austere warren]

4 psyker fun, shrimple as.

[cosmic cobalt]

they're psyking all over the place

[austere warren]

Three Four staves of merit, multiple force weapons, all brain powers?

Let me chase my cocktails with omega-3's. Always say psych.

PHdeeznuts all over the place.

[candid temple]

there's some interesting choices, but it's serviceable.

[ripe obsidian]

I only know how to build Psyker. This is my blind attempt at an unga bunga Evis XV build.

[pastel turtle]

gaze voidblast is pretty fun. Probably not havoc viable but its fun for Aurics

[candid temple]

You can skip providence and go right side, for desperation (or punishment) imho

[austere warren]

You only looking for havoc-ready builds? I'm about to be on my shit in a moment so you can try something out from my shit if you want.

[candid temple]

Good balance uptime was mid in my experience

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly play Havoc. I can be goofy in Auric

[candid temple]

and imho only worth if you go for grievous wounds for stagger memes

[austere warren]

You might use a different gun honestly because I've been on shotty kick for a whole minute now. Boltgun is a very safe gun though so you can just cruise with that.

[ripe obsidian]

I wish I were good enough at aiming to use the throwing knives. But my hands shake too much, and I end up just missing or hitting torsos

[austere warren]

Might find use in running some drills in the psykanium maybe.

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, is a physical thing. I have never been able to aim well in any game

I can get body shots consistently, but headshots are just a no go

[austere warren]

Throwing knives can be a pain in the ass but I'll be real, I underestimate how hard that can be for people. I usually just use my movement to "cheat" my aim in those moments.

[austere warren]

You might fare better by treating that kind of aim through a sort of "strike zone" for your aim. No shade or anything but can you conceptualize that kind of thing in your mind without a direct reference?

[ripe obsidian]

I figured Providence was worth it for the +15% to elites

[royal totem]

i just throw 2 knives at any given target

[candid temple]

for 2 points

vs
Unseen blade + Desperation?

Or Backstabber

[prime elk]

on the one hand, infil needs help badly. on the other hand, i could see this being pretty aids for the team if low profile is not removed

[royal totem]

@ripe obsidian what exactly counts as a backstab in this game. anywhere in the back? or just back of head???

[austere warren]

Even though I can just aim and adjust for projectile weapon travel time, I typically just aim at the chest just under the chin and let it go. Usually works pretty easily.

[candid temple]

or 10% tdr + 5% movespeed fillers (+maybe hubris+riposte)

[ripe obsidian]

oh god, backstabs are hard. To quote Kuli:

"'Backstabbing' refers to melee attacks executed from within a specific angle[i.imgur.com] behind an enemy's back."

[austere warren]

It can be both. There's some extra weird bits about it but you can earn backstabs by attacking something within the scope of degrees shown in that diagram.

[royal totem]

huh i see 😮 thank you.

[candid temple]

it's more useful on shroudfield build as a 1 point filler

since you get behind more often

[austere warren]

If you happen to use mobile finesse melee weapons and take the ability modifier node that gives cdr for backstabs you can practice it very easily with zealot to just feel it out for yourself.

Eventually, it becomes second nature with enough application. There's even minor tech with zealot shroudfield where you can pop it as you attack something before attacking again. Need to find the video for it that explains in visual detail.

[ripe obsidian]

All right, 3 points left.

Based on Kuli's wording, the bleed node is actually quite good on crit builds.

"Any of Zealot's attacks that applies a stack of bleed to enemies also applies a debuff to enemies that increases all their damage taken by 15% for 5s; can be refreshed during active duration."

With ~70% crit on a Shred build, that's a lot of bonus damage for you and the team

Retalitory Defense seems like a good clutch node, particularly for reviving.

[royal totem]

not that i mind but suddenly this seems to have turned into a zealot chat xD

[ripe obsidian]

The real zealot chat scares me

[candid temple]

Backstabber, Unseen Blade, 10% TDR, No Respite, all decent filler options.

[pale prairie]

Needs more gooning and debauchery

[royal totem]

wouldn't know. i don't visit the actual zealot chat

i've been warned from doing so

[cosmic cobalt]

idk why but it feel way less consistent in practice

[thorn cedar]

The thing to keep in mind is that the enemy in question needs to not already be killed by the bleed dot itself or by the crit you landed.

[ripe obsidian]

the backstab penances are the reason I stopped playing Zealot tbh.

[ripe obsidian]

Is true, same issue with Blazing Spirit FGS.

[thorn cedar]

yea

so its not bad, by any means

it does have a niche

but not as potent as face value suggests

[candid temple]

they should really buff Infectious Zeal to apply to zealot too

[pastel turtle]

you can backstab with a gun

[candid temple]

oh another option is Unseen Blade -> Good Balance -> Grievous Wounds

that 50% stagger on weakspot hits is hilarious sometimes.

i don't play evis though so idk how useful it is for that weapon

[ripe obsidian]

Aren't the penances melee-specific? tbh, I cannot recall. I just remember hating it a lot.

[cosmic cobalt]

it already really consistent on like 30% crit tbf

[ripe obsidian]

More stagger for rev attacks on Crushers is nice. Not sure the breakpoint for that. A while ago, they made the threshold just high enough that you couldn't get it consistently without FotF, which meant Crushers could bonk you

[royal totem]

i have a very silly zealot build

that i'm pretty sure is bad

[candid temple]

they're less ass now, but the stun one is still annoying

[ripe obsidian]

40 kills in a stun? I got lucky on that one. I think Ascension Riser, the train tunnels at the end in a Maelstrom. Whole team dead, tossed two stun grenades and whipped out my flamer

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm with more units with more hp more valuable yes?

[candid temple]

yeah

I could probably just do a solo match and herd a bunch of enemies for it, but I hate going out of my way for things like that.

[ripe obsidian]

I did it before I swapped to Psyker

Psyker was my least played at that point

[austere warren]

Oddly enough it's probably one of the more chill (if you can believe that) parts of this discord.

[flint pawn]

I was a Kinetic Flayer connoisseur before the update but holy crap I love this node so much now, I'm so hooked

[ripe obsidian]

at least in Auric Psykhanium, Grievous Wounds makes rev heavy stagger a crusher

also, holy shit the rev attack feels so good now

I didn't realize it got buffed this hard

[cosmic cobalt]

no kill yourself

get pregnant

[flint pawn]

Am I in the zealot chat or the psyker chat

[ripe obsidian]

Melee Psyker is the meta. We're both.

[flint pawn]

Can't argue with that one. Taxe Psyker supremacy

[royal totem]

inferno staff is so like 2 seasons ago

[ripe obsidian]

Is so bad now.

[royal totem]

exactly!

[thorn cedar]

not even 5mil

pathetic

[ripe obsidian]

I know

I need to try harder

[thorn cedar]

the problem is everything to your right on that board

what you gotta up is your barrel game

[ripe obsidian]

I tried in this one

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-mediocre-gif-4592081

[austere warren]

Gonna log on in a minute but what are people whipping out for inferno builds? It's probably the one staff I use the least but it's usually fun to play with.

[ripe obsidian]

Check the guide!

[austere warren]

Theneum?

Did it get updated? :0

[ripe obsidian]

My guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?usp=sharing

[thorn cedar]

Sixeneum

[strong gulch]

In the 3rd pin

Six. Put it in your pin too.

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker Build Bonanza

(Mostly updated for 1.11: Beyond the Hive)

Contains 50+ builds and templates to help you purge the heretics.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Av6T7DJRkm78M3csiZec6p7-cHXOWiKyjpOJ-FWV3g/edit?usp=sharing

Also contains some more general information, like armor damage modifiers and weapon info. Please ask if you want any additional information added that isn't already in there. Feedback on what's in there is welcome as long as it's constructive.

To anyone who has a build they want to share, please @ me and send me a Gameslantern or YouTube link, as well as where you want the build to go. I want this document to be a community effort, not just me spouting off my opinions.

<@&735928989146939404>, can you pin this, please? So long as @strong gulch is okay with it, as I don't want to step on his toes.

[strong gulch]

It's cool

[strong gulch]

Thanks!

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[strong gulch]

This build guide is 1) written by you (Six) 2) people will look for it with your name 3) it will be on a pin with a closer to now date that should be less confusing for people.

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/jamming-okay-head-nod-bobbing-head-yeah-gif-16416199

So this diagram breaking down the stack dps jump actually caught me off guard. I'm usually ignoring most of the numbers until I need to understand them but holy shit.

Straight up skipped that part of the atheneum

[strong gulch]

I get a fair amount of comments or questions about if the builds in the my pin (no longer there) are up to date (even when they were) because of the date of the pin. Despite the pin being constantly edited, people still wondered.

[austere warren]

Can't make em read if they don't go for it ig.

[strong gulch]

yup

[ripe obsidian]

It's quite important. It's a major part of why Wildfire is good.

[austere warren]

Yeah, it's starting to come together. No wonder people run it so often

[ripe obsidian]

People still argue that it's bad, though

:(

[austere warren]

Sometimes all one can do is hope that they take time to actually understand what's going on. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

As much as I'm not a numbers gal for games like this, you not gonna catch me lying about numbers when I actually know about them more earnestly. 110% dps is nowhere near insignificant and very easy on upkeep.

...fuck inferno scrier gaze is here. Aw shit.

I'm in trouble.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/if-those-kids-could-read-gif-5323175107042953208

[warped olive]

Is the blessing Unstable Power only 5% strength now?

[strong gulch]

no

it scales up to 20%

[prime elk]

maybe you need to include in the pin

BUILDS UPDATED AS OF 10/5/2025

[white valley]

5% per stack, gain a stack at 20% intervals afaik

[marble crater]

Accurate talent descriptions when?

[prime elk]

never

[warped olive]

oh thank god. it used to say 20

[strong gulch]

True

I do have build guide in bold and up to date with the big patch name

but not my thing now

I could add some basic staff gameplay loop stuff, but people don't want to scroll down to a 3rd pin (let alone a 4th pin)

also also, I'm not the end all be all of gameplay and optimized ways of doing things

[pale prairie]

Wildfire sucks. All my homies hate wildfire. We use Empyric shock and LMB only

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[pale prairie]

: D

[ripe obsidian]

I can give you edit access to the main doc if you want to add your stuff. Is fine with me

[pale prairie]

Change it all to a repeating 7

Just sevens everywhere

[weary crane]

I don't think I'll use another class again because I love my psyker build so much, but I do miss shock mines, nobody takes them in havoc when they are literally the best thing for it

[fading escarp]

regular blaze sword supposed to kill with its special right?

[marble crater]

Illisi yes, you don't really use the special with the other marks

[pale prairie]

Why use the best blitz when I could….

1. Get half the usefulness on a cooldown out of my dog.

2. Just throw a lameass grenade.

Though I don’t personally know how well shock mines work on some of the modifiers that make CC nearly impossible

[steel flame]

o, no

staff bonk psyker

its a fucking thing

holy

shit

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[ripe obsidian]

I think a power substation near me exploded or something

[pale prairie]

It just can get highest blitz damage now

[ripe obsidian]

Ironically, this banner is flying over the smoke cloud

[pale prairie]

Nah that’s an airplane

[weary crane]

They are just insanely good on havoc, because you get these huge carapace hordes that corner you all into the same spot. Shock mines hold everything in place for like 30s? And they regen every minute, so yeah they are the best possible thing to have in havoc

[ripe obsidian]

I meant the "happy clouds" banner over the massive plume of smoke

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[west bridge]

does anyone know if warp splitting affects how many targets smite can hit?

[pale prairie]

Texas ducttape and Jesus power grid saving the day as usual

[weary crane]

They don't do anything against bosses, but holding back the horde allows you to focus on the bosses instead

[pale prairie]

Yeah just use Break the Line if you want to stagger bosses

[weary crane]

I use nuncio with shock mine because it allows you to actually stay in the circle without being forced out

[fading escarp]

All melee max rank and almost all ranged too
But yeah everything is just a shadow compared to the flame staff

[ripe obsidian]

I had a nuncio + shock mine Arby last night. Was a nice support.

[pale prairie]

Flame staff still is goated

[ripe obsidian]

They also stayed alive well, which was good when the rest of the team was falling over

[pale prairie]

As long as density and hp keeps climbing so will it

[fading escarp]

Its just insane how good it is

[ripe obsidian]

Good question.
Smite is affected by hitmass, but I do not know if cleave helps it. I would guess not.

[fading escarp]

Maybe when i finish with all builds for psyker i will play a bit as a zealot

[pale prairie]

Yep. Again it’s the density. If you lowered density or hp it wouldn’t be. With the current enemy meta it just is the best tool in the box

[ripe obsidian]

Fire stick is really good in dense maps, less good otherwise. I find it less useful in non-Havoc because everything dies before I can actually get stacks up

[pale prairie]

Yep low density and low hp and suddenly it’s not as good.

[fading escarp]

I just run auric
Havoc can be annoying to play because people want to run something specific and just don't accept invite or something else

[weary crane]

Havoc is just pain simulator

[pale prairie]

Yep trying to run off meta builds in havoc is tough if you don’t make your own lobby

[pale prairie]

More like FLAME SIMULATOR

[weary crane]

True, the whole map is on blue fire

[weary crane]

I run gaze + BB + EP, and some dude just quit because he thought it was a bad build

[fading escarp]

Still better experience then hive worlds in helldivers 2

[steel flame]

hot damn

[pale prairie]

Lmao. True

[steel flame]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lfabzwGzsuksZKqOR?invite=cr-MSx4VWUsMjUyNjQ3MjMw

bonk psyker is real

wow

[wraith sphinx]

psyker is real!!!!

[pale prairie]

Though I kinda liked the difficulty. Just need there to be actual counterplay to the rupture strain instead of it being basically a loadout check/stim tax

[ripe obsidian]

Rude that the power went out right before I did my last weekly game. But at least it didn't die during a game

I needed one more win. Ah well.

[pale prairie]

That be how it is sometimes.

[pale prairie]

Event?

[fading escarp]

80% of people who joined abuze infinite supply backpack

And i can't even blame them

[ripe obsidian]

What does SG do for that build? Not arguing, genuinely curious.

[wraith sphinx]

rupture strain actually sucks

[ripe obsidian]

Massive fire.

[weary crane]

Tbh bubble isn't worth it anymore, it breaks so quick from all the fire, and with the psykineric aura nerf you can't spam them

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/1nz3g5r/abandoned_complex_on_fire/?share_id=fWDz-MxmatcS8EAtKZFSe

[wraith sphinx]

like every terminid strain takes some bad gameplay element of bugs and makes it worse but rupture really takes the cake here

[pale prairie]

Yeah at the power station I meant the games you were running was events

[ripe obsidian]

Is not close to me, but I can't figure out what else would do this

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, I have a couple days for that. It was my contracts

[pale prairie]

The only use case is putting it on top of shooters so there bullets disappear. That’s about it. Maybe pox gas to help toughness

[steel flame]

unlimited casting

[weary crane]

SG?

[ripe obsidian]

6.6 seconds is the quickest it breaks. I don't use Bubble, I use Shriek.

[ripe obsidian]

Scrier's Gaze

[steel flame]

it has the no overload talent, so you can just bb as much as you want

[weary crane]

Ah, well it isn't for the BB, the EP is for the BB to hit breakpoints, the gaze is for warp unbound so I don't have to quell, and the crit bonus is good with purga

[ripe obsidian]

Can already do that with EP, if you're good about aiming on specials and elites

[pale prairie]

Also shriek

[steel flame]

bosses

crusher spam

i can see the vision

[ripe obsidian]

Interesting. Well, if it works. I'd not let you into my havoc game, but not because of the build. I wouldn't let you in because I am a territorial Psyker and this soulblaze all belongs to me.

[steel flame]

whether thats optimal, not for me to say

[weary crane]

Yeah 2 soulblaze psykers isn't efficient unfortunately

[ripe obsidian]

I have mentioned as much in my guide a few times. I should probably emphasize it at the top.

[austere warren]

Hard disagree on that one but rupture just needed more time in the oven/not getting entirely removed.

[ripe obsidian]

Gonna have to do a pass through of the guide once it's done to make sure it's all cohesive and coherent and consistent

I hope I can get EK done tonight

[pale prairie]

Yeah I love the idea. Bugs were pretty shrimple. Loved the difficulty spike. Did not like the absolute impossibility of dragon roaches in addition to can’t miss invulnerable enemies

[pale prairie]

No pesky games to get in the way

[weary crane]

My beautiful creation

[ripe obsidian]

Ainz used EP+BB for his duo H40, but with Trauma and Bubble, I believe. EP+BB isn't bad, just harder to pull off because it's a lot more active than Warp Siphon or DD. As for SG, I can see the logic. I wonder how much the finesse boost would impact BB, or if the lower peril gen one is better. BB has such high peril gen that I think it would be hard to keep SG up

[austere warren]

So they can miss, but it's weird. They removed it so I couldn't experiment more.

Generally most of what I did with rupture was rely on dog breath, utilized preemptive stimming and proactive nades and whatever but mostly just not being scared of them and prefiring during their rising strikes. Shuts em down every time when one can swing it in the moment.

I'm honestly whatever on dragonroaches. They're not nearly as numerous as they'd need to be for me to have enough issues with them. Feels like a lot of people just hated trying to give learning hive worlds a proper chance and instead did the popula tradition of circlejerk tears to compensate for incuriosity and lack of creative problem solving as per usual.

I do think that they ought to make attacking their wings have more relevance so we'll see what happens eventually either way.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not sure how I feel about Warp Ghost with SG. They feel kind of at odds. I might drop Warp Ghost and Anticipation and move them to Kinetic Deflection and the +10% ranged damage nodes.

@verbal thistle do you have a new EP+BB build yet, and if you do, can I put it in the guide?

[weary crane]

The extra stamina allows me to have enough to parry without needing KD, plus warp ghost is just good on everything. Passive quelling is arguably just bad

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm interesting. My experience on level 10 hive worlds pre rupture removal and post them fixing the host and players disconnect was that yeah you could kill them as they rose up to strike but you would still take damage. Thats why I called it the stim tax. It would have been fine but dealing with that while dealing with normal amounts of patrols and spawns (felt like it was unending in the caves) was tough. W

What was your solution to dragon roaches? In my experience they required heavy ordnance to the face. Which is fine. Except for the bobbing head movements and the instakill flame dots (that were half invisible) unless you wore fire armor. A

Again interesting enemy but they seemed to spawn back maybe 30 sec after the first one died? They were constantly in the sky.

[thorn cedar]

I don't find them at odds since SG vents 50% on use anyway. That's plenty of breathing room to start doing SG shenanigans. Otherwise WU is always an option if it's a question of casting.

[ripe obsidian]

Right, but my logic here is that you have loads of toughness regen already, so that part is of limited use. The stamina can be replaced with KD if you wanted. And the passive quelling isn't as much of an issue with SG's near constant uptime.

[marsh badger]

I think SG raises the value of BM

[ripe obsidian]

I think all of my SG builds move BM from Preference up to Good, yes.

[thorn cedar]

Then again I'm an Alpha Chad Mind in Motion user so my experience cannot be comprehended by mortal beings.

[ripe obsidian]

But you don't have passive quelling while SG is up. At least, not until WU. And if this is an Inferno + BB build, you won't be passively quelling then either

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[ripe obsidian]

Did I not? This is why I need to do a pass over for consistency.

[thorn cedar]

Yea as a whole I don't do WG with Staffs. But I also don't do staffs in generalm

[ripe obsidian]

But I was talking about WG. D:

[thorn cedar]

I have no issue generating peril when using a staff so I don't see the need to slow passive quelling for high perils uptime

[pale prairie]

No I meant as a disagreement

[thorn cedar]

Vs. Assail having limited ammunition

[pale prairie]

I would have to check

[ripe obsidian]

I like WG for non-SG staves because it means I don't have to take the +10% melee tax to reach KD.

And the bonus toughness and passive peril part are very nice

[thorn cedar]

I guess that kinda is a tax but what a wild statement on its face lmao

[pale prairie]

Truth

[thorn cedar]

I get it tho

[ripe obsidian]

When I do under 100k melee damage in a 4m damage game, +10% melee damage is a tax

[strong gulch]

No worries. Other than cliffhanger tips and similar things, actual build info is just your pin now.

But if I write up something that isn't strictly build but is relevant, then I'll let you know. Thanks for giving me the option. 🫡

[thorn cedar]

ye

[marsh badger]

I just had 2 solid SG-trauma runs in a row

[thorn cedar]

im mostly speaking theoretically anyway cause again i find staves intolerably dull

[verbal thistle]

I dont have one yet

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty, and how similar is your build to the one in my guide?

[ripe obsidian]

Alas. Lemme know when you have one

[arctic turret]

I have something like this and its quite fun for auric but anything above it sucks

[pale prairie]

Zealot main statement

[thorn cedar]

Give me a beam staff, then we can talk.

I don't have true level but Zealot probably still is my most played.

[weary crane]

I think voidstrike should be literally a void, and suck things into a mini black hole

[candid temple]

unlimited cleave on ball please

let me bowlingball hallways

[ripe obsidian]

Nope, you'll take your 10 cleave and like it.

That's a whole 3-4 poxwalkers per RMB on H35+

[marsh badger]

it was mid 30s havoc, and your tree is pretty close
Flurry / Rending - trauma. SG gives you crit for mettle and PT. Elite aura b/c it excels in chunking groups of maulers/crushers, but any would be fine. CD aura is overkill for you personally b/c SG is always up.

[pale prairie]

Damn I would take unlimited cleave or unleashing true aim on surge blessing

[cosmic cobalt]

what is this build

[pale prairie]

Experimental

[cosmic cobalt]

I am krilling myself

[marsh badger]

WU unnecessary with the peril reduction talents b/c you are basically always in SG or can trigger it almost as soon as you're out

[pale prairie]

Should be a whale of a time

[wraith sphinx]

your fate is sealed

[strong gulch]

idk what my EP BB build is rn

It's only semi thought through

[marsh badger]

Could probably also drop PC b/c it didn't seem to help but the other purg psyker was getting all the condition dmg attributed to them

[austere warren]

Oh yeah, hd2 has some serious performance issues that seem to keep cycling so I'll never hold people on that one. I unironically had the game uninstalled weeks ago until I had one solution salvage it for me.

Like I said for the rupture, I never got the chance to really figure it out but I can definitely saw that them bursting out wouldn't exclusively be free damage. Preemptive stimming is also just a generally basic strategy to have tucked away especially since I personally abuse the fuck out of stims when I want with the booster.

As far as things against dragon roaches go, I honestly had the luck of playing with people I have years of coordination built up with. It doesn't cost us anything much to have someone with more specialized builds but I usually just use spear or RR if I really want to be the one tasked with dropping at bugs. Good spear shots are one shots, better reload practices makes the two shot not a problem. Autocannon despite it not being the best at outright killing the thing before better aim and confidence just forces them to shut up which can often be better than killing em while someone else gets a reload going or lining up a shot.

My stratagem loadout for them especially for hive lord kill runs was like spear, ac mech, rocket or ac sentry, and an frv since me and buddies usually run nice frv friendly support weapons and I can drive pretty well in most cases.

Otherwise, I usually just ignored them and used the dune warbond heavy armor since it really did just make their fire acid not matter at all. I also got lucky with hive world seeds that were more cave than desert.

[cosmic cobalt]

ain't reading allat

[austere warren]

Everything else is just strong terminid fundamentals tailored to handling rupture. Lots of aggro exploitation and environmentally synergistic antics.

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/avalanche-backpack-throw-ouch-fall-gif-5703275

[pastel turtle]

idk I got it from magdumping a bolter from stealth

all I have left now is the private penance for zealot

[austere warren]

The mental image of stealth bolter magdumping is really funny.

[pale prairie]

Again unless you were using explosive weapons to make them surface once they emerged they did guarantee lock on damage. (Your experience sounds like you were not the host in matches and playing before they made every player experience the same attack window as host)

I could warp pack away while they are rising up and they would magnet attack me OR I would take guarantee damage. Yes I get stims are a resource to use. But having an enemy that is a stim tax feels boring. And unless you run supply pack, you can do that 4 times then you need a new solution. And I encountered way more than 4 on level 10s.

The spear was very inconsistent most of the time requiring 2 shots because of the way lock on works. Rocket sentry worked sometimes but would also just shoot ground units instead. And recoilless is great but there’s a lot of targets that need to be hit by that to possibly waste or miss on this flying bile titan. I guess RR is just always required these days. Autocannon mech was great but is on a long cooldown and is more useful in tunnels than to use to kill like 2-3 dragon roaches only for more to spawn.

Ignoring them was the chief strategy which seems like a dumb way to interact with a new enemy.

It felt very much like early hD2 where the best way to play the game was to….not play. Just go stealth and run away until things despawn and then sneak back.

[austere warren]

Paragraphs, the great bane in the world of tomorrow.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-harrypotter-hp-read-cantread-gif-5775512

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-gif-17556910517109081583

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-scared-are-you-scared-wand-gif-16389131

[pale prairie]

He was German yeah?

[marble crater]

He was a misguided jerk

[pale prairie]

Yeah very much a nurture vs nature argument

[marble crater]

I don't remember if he joined the good side at the very end or no, I think he did?

[wind spruce]

If PA is overkill why not take precog

[pale prairie]

Not really

He just didn’t officially commit crimes

He didn’t go to jail or murder dumbledore

[marsh badger]

cause youre not really doing any weakspot dmg w/ rending trauma.

[ripe obsidian]

I find PC to be eh for non-Soulblaze builds.

Just necessary for Souldrinker and Wildfire

[austere warren]

I disagree that spaced out hit and run was the only way to really play the game but it was definitely easier to get shoved out of an area depending on what was going on. Players were also not given the widely accessible and honestly just stable arsenal of weapons and stratagems like we share now. On top of that, enemies across the board are weaker in general and tend towards being weakened later during balance changes. Slapping on that heavy armor I mentioned and just benefitting from enhanced stims and vitality boosts really just made dragonroach attacks really not that pressing when outside before anything like getting overwhelmed staggering spawns ever became the issue. Usually the hardest 10 runs I had were when people just didn't come together enough to shut down the stalker lairs inside the caves or pushing forward without ammo.

I personally don't know how often I ever noticed the problem of guaranteed hits but I know I've been host before and a halt to the mouth was a halt to the mouth. Not saying it wasn't real, but definitely not something I was really pressed on.

The stratagem spread I brought up can be broadly used as a strong choice ik hive worlds even without the purpose of killing dragonroaches. I usually just took an angled shot on them from like the side or something or enough to kind of guesstimate the arc on the missile for the headshot 1 shot. If anything the sentry is mostly there as a way of forcing burrowing bugs to give themselves away for me during breaches when I'm not stocking up on explicit AT options because I usually just shut down parts of a breach with gas mines or gas strikes and napalm, something passive and cheap to pop and use. Dog breath probably plays into so much of my experience not being constantly getting dunked on by burrows.

As far as running to address an enemy, I agree that for debut, they should've been far more capable of being harmed via wing shredding, maybe sac destruction like titans, that sort of thing.

[marble crater]

Good enough with that father

[marsh badger]

yeah its probably better in a damage reduction perk

or soulstealer

[wind spruce]

Fair enough, thought maybe you'd be using a decent amount of left click with the nodes you're taking

[marsh badger]

just for gunners and monst/cpts

but w/o any real soulblaze you can skip souldrinker/wildfire and MM/warp splitting doesnt really help you much either

[wind spruce]

Probably just worth taking a different aura for your team if nothing else

[marsh badger]

I was running elite aura b/c I was backup psyker non-soulblaze psyker and the build seems to work better when your team comp is melee light

[proper osprey]

I feel like dd may be better even without weakspots it still gives you crit damage, flat damage, and toughness

And you’re really only using WS for ablity spam and gaze will always be up just with psy aura

[marsh badger]

maybe worth trying. B/c you cant use your WS stacks until SG is over you sit at 6 stacks a solid amount of the time so you get the 24% dmg and peril reduction

[proper osprey]

That’s true

[marsh badger]

uptime had me at 4+ stacks 45% of my in-combat time

[proper osprey]

I wouldn’t worry about reduction tho with gaze

[ripe obsidian]

Is unfortunate that Channeled Force and Empyric Shock are not great.

[verbal thistle]

they are a cool idea

but poorly implemented

a fatshark classic

[fierce crest]

surely EK kills crushers faster with one surge proc when stacking ES

[wind spruce]

Did they make surge effect EK right click? I think I was AWOL for that update

Good

[fierce crest]

it just means you stack ES faster

surely if you get two procs its faster

whats the mod to test havoc enemies

[verbal thistle]

true solo, but its not fully accurate

healthbars lie

just do math

havoc 40 enemies have 1.5x hp

[royal totem]

Thats so much! I cant murderize them!

[strong gulch]

I did a game with ES for EP BB inferno. I just rarely used ES unless I shoehorning it in.

That being said, I had to clutch twice. Kiting around and keeping SB refreshed was the time that ES felt organic to my gameplay. The other time it didn't feel forced was when I needed to make room or hold the line.

So mostly underused.

Kiting with inferno seems like the better use for it unless you LMB swap spam I guess.

[ripe obsidian]

I agree. I think the issue is that, unlike Weapon Specialist for Veteran, the LMB and RMB of staves often serve similar or identical roles. So it makes little sense to swap between them. EK is different, because its RMB is single target as well, which means you aren't losing much for LMBing. Plus the bonus crit chance. Voidblast would ostensibly be different if there was ever a reason to use LMB outside of poking specials and gunners from a distance.

I am not sure how to make Channeled Force and Empyric Shock better without unintentionally buffing Inferno, which I believe is the thing they want to avoid. Or, I would imagine so.

[royal totem]

Buff inferno plz :3

(This is a joke)

[ripe obsidian]

I wonder if this would be any good for Voidstrike SG. Pair it with a FGS and basically play like a melee/gunker

[fierce crest]

i hate math

[ripe obsidian]

What staff?

[fierce crest]

EK

[ripe obsidian]

Figured

The RMB has a +/- 10% randomness

Because ???

[fierce crest]

but its all more than listed damage

[ripe obsidian]

Do you have talents?

[fierce crest]

nope

[viscid matrix]

Because that is part of the staff

[ripe obsidian]

Then I dunno. Something being funky.

[fierce crest]

oh duh\

perks

[marsh badger]

there's a good SG-EP-assail i saw ainz using at some point and using EP charges with RMB assail during SG has some good synergy and I ran it w VS

[fierce crest]

i guess those arent applied to the listed damage

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I can find the code if you want. But it's a weird choice.

I believe EK's RMB is the only weapon with randomized damage. Could be wrong, but it's the only one I could find in the code

[viscid matrix]

#psyker-class message

i replied to the code here

[ripe obsidian]

Oh

That was me

Ha

[fierce crest]

oh or not

removed carapace perk and its still doing 49 on m1

[ripe obsidian]

One thing I am slightly leery of in the guide is making builds based on folks like Ainz and AgentChaos and Syllogism and the like. They're way better than the average player, and what they can do is unreasonable to expect of people who are using a guide to figure out builds.

[ripe obsidian]

Gimme the blessings and perks and I'll toss it into the breakpoint calculator

[fierce crest]

Surge

Crit peril

[real granite]

Anyone got an updated recon lasgun psyker build?

[fierce crest]

I stepped out so I am not looking at it

Whatever that one is called

[pale prairie]

You only put their builds into community builds with the caveat “high skill”

[wind spruce]

Talk to me about dream vs OwtW

[viscid matrix]

Take everything you did before
Then check thru to see if there is anything you would add

Tbh it didn’t change to much

[fierce crest]

And I was using cara and crit chance perks

But I swapped to flak from cara

[viscid matrix]

Flak seems to be the better choice

Armour does take extra damage from EK tho for some reason
Even with both perks off

[ripe obsidian]

Personally, I think JaD is a better talents. The damage reduction applies to toughness and health, and OwtW needs 65%+ peril to match even the toughness part. Anecdotally, I also feel like JaD has some weird damage gating or something. Whenever I use it, I end up dropping to 0 toughness and taking no health damage. Could also just be the insane toughness regen outpacing ranged damage, not sure.

However, the random peril spikes from JaD have actually killed me more than once. I think I have like 80% peril while charging RMB, a random shooter or bomber clips me, and now I am at 97%, and muscle memory reacts slower than I would like. End up hitting 100%, accidentally shooting off the RMB I was charging, and blowing myself up. So I use OwtW a lot of the time. JaD is more appealing if you have a lot of peril gen reduction.

[pale prairie]

Weird on melee builds it’s very hard to blow yourself up with JaD

[fierce crest]

I like JaD because it's very satisfying when you get caught in a bomber cloud and barely make it out with no health damage

And see that your peril is at 97%

[viscid matrix]

Its especially good with gaze
As the reduced peril generation makes you take less peril when hit

[pale prairie]

Right cause we are rejects from prison

[fierce crest]

Hehe

[ripe obsidian]

Breakpoint calculator says 48.3 on an LMB headshot and 107.81 on crit headshot

[fierce crest]

But it didn't change when I swapped off carapace perk

[wind spruce]

Basically my thoughts, JaD was pissing me off while playing trauma (peril edge builds in general)

But outside that just seems goated

[fierce crest]

Unless that's a meat grinder bug

[ripe obsidian]

With the downside being that JaD doesn't work when at or above 97% peril. It's a tradeoff

[ripe obsidian]

That is strange

[fierce crest]

Are you seeing 48.3 with or without the perk?

[ripe obsidian]

With

38.64 without

[fierce crest]

I'll double check when I go back inside, I used modular menu buttons to access the omnissiah, it probably just didn't update properly

Didn't think about that

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it made me lose an H40 run. Blew up as I was kiting a wave of maulers and crushers

[wind spruce]

Only if you're not taking precog (gross)

[wind spruce]

That unpredictability is just unacceptable esp w/ bubble

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's risky.

[strong gulch]

lmoa
123

[wind spruce]

is that supposed to be a lot?

or is it only counting specials/elites

[strong gulch]

idk about that

number in order

1
2
3

[thorn cedar]

oh right

i forgot people run bubble and shit

[wind spruce]

autism

[wispy bay]

Potato is having fun

[fierce crest]

yeah it just didnt update MB

[marsh badger]

do you get alot of value out of the stun immunity for immaterial focus? I think I get stunned maybe 3x or less per run

[wind spruce]

i try not to

[thorn cedar]

cause idk the blowing urself up downside of JaD seems easily adverted with Screech and Scriers

[ripe obsidian]

I think JaD is probably best for non-staff builds, because you're less likely to sit at critical peril. Staff builds, particularly SG staff builds, either don't get benefit (Warp Unbound) or the peril spikes are unpleasant.

[wind spruce]

but i get yelled at by meta gooners

[thorn cedar]

take wall

its so funny

[wind spruce]

take literally anything else to avoid unaliving yourself

[ripe obsidian]

I think I average like 20% combat uptime on stun immunity. It's nice for sprinting through bomber fire or such.

[wispy bay]

JaD is great for SG

[patent jacinth]

Just a dream is just good

[thorn cedar]

frankly it's insanely goated with Assail. Immaterial + JaD + WG + SG and Assail is basically perma uptime for Immaterial in combat

[patent jacinth]

It just does different things based on how hot you are normally

[thorn cedar]

drop dead gorgeous

[wind spruce]

yeah but getting stunned is death in H40

[patent jacinth]

If you play melee psyker you just stay hot forever

[ripe obsidian]

As I said, I think JaD is better then OwtW.

[wispy bay]

Don't need assail to edge, so you can run KF or charged strike with all of the bonus from other stuff.

[patent jacinth]

If you play staves it gives DR

[wispy bay]

I ran a H30 melee charged strike earlier.

[ripe obsidian]

But JaD doesn't work at or above 97% peril. That's my only concern. So for me, at least, when in Warp Unbound, I am getting no benefit.

[fierce crest]

despite also dying from it, i will keep using it over OwtW

i must learn

[wind spruce]

Based build

[wispy bay]

Illisin sweeped the floor.

[thorn cedar]

yea just dont take warp unbound 4Head

idk i just feather between 100 and 90% constantly

and as soon as things get spicy for damage intake i just press F

Mind in Motion quell for a bit

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna stick with OwtW on my non-ER builds, just because my reaction speed is too slow and I blow myself up. D:

[thorn cedar]

basically unkillable

(not really but its pretty strong)

dont forget ur quietude

[wind spruce]

Even if you have perfect reaction speeds you'll still have to cancel right clicks to not blow yourself up (and thats bad)

[thorn cedar]

you got four seconds of stun immunity to bail

[ripe obsidian]

I don't want to take SG on staves if I don't get 10 seconds of unlimited blowing stuff up. >:(

[thorn cedar]

nah the problem is

ur mind is not in motion

open urself to the power

[ripe obsidian]

Going by the uptime mod, I was sitting at around 20% combat uptime on stun immunity with my Inferno + Shriek build.

Seems pretty good.

[thorn cedar]

ye

it almost is always triggered when you want it most

you dont really have to have like

90% uptime or anything zany

i do it anyway because micromanaging is my fetish, i think

[fierce crest]

so the crit seems listed correctly, but the not crit isnt

[ripe obsidian]

We do not kink shame here.

[ripe obsidian]

I guess it's not calculating something correctly. I am not sure how the UI does that

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, I love Immaterial Focus. It's such a cozy node. Same reason I pick the stun immunity node on Arby. Just feels good to sprint through bomber fire or dodge out of gunner shots without getting stuck. That is one really nice thing about JaD, it does give you a higher chance of having stun immunity when you're in trouble.

[thorn cedar]

It's really its own ridiculous feedback loop.

My perils explodes from gunners + ragers, im now stun immune, i press scriers, i have comical movement speed, i quell and run off with the damage im taking feeding back into my perils which scriers is also ramping

its the ultimate rat mode

[sonic schooner]

FINALLY SIBLINGS!!!!!!!!!1 COMPLETION!!!!!!!

Now, all i need, is this one:

[ripe obsidian]

Also works with KD+Deflector when pinned by gunners

[viscid matrix]

They made that so much easier than before

Used to be kill it 100% with brain burst
Then it was kill it 95%
Now I guess it’s only 50%

[fierce crest]

its 50%

they forgor

[ripe obsidian]

In all likelihood, I will end up swapping between JaD and OwtW regularly

[sonic schooner]

and i will do it on my 99th session as a psyker!

[viscid matrix]

lol

[sonic schooner]

talk about a poetic ending!

[thorn cedar]

I wanna like deflector but i cant give anything up for it unless I'm staffker

uncanny i need for perilous in melee

and i gotta have a crit blessing

[ripe obsidian]

That is fair. I play almost entirely staffker, so my melee weapon is a mobility and defense stick

[thorn cedar]

loved ds5 for that

otherwise i mean Deimos is just too good

the big dopamine from the warp slice on FGS is cool and all but i definitely feel like im working around it more than with it

[fierce crest]

4 m1s, 4 m2s
vs
7 m2s

starting fromm 0 peril

kills an auric crusher

[pale prairie]

What’s the dump stat on combat blade?

[thorn cedar]

pen if youre using uncanny

[fierce crest]

i think if you crit good you can get 6 m2s

[thorn cedar]

otherwise mobility

[strong gulch]

EK shriek smyker didn't steal all of my SB even though I was on bubble purg.

[thorn cedar]

thats cuz ur the alpha smyker

[strong gulch]

🥺

[ripe obsidian]

@strong gulch What do you think of this Voidstrike/meleeker SG build?

[gray kelp]

me going demon mode 300 apm on trauma psyker to be slightly worse than purg staff

[regal pumice]

If im using bubble should I have my warp resistance on my staff at 60

[ripe obsidian]

Likely. Depends on the build and what level of peril generation feels comfortable to you.

[royal totem]

Gasp. When do you use knife?

[gray kelp]

depends on staff I think, for example I think an argument can be made to dump blast radius over warp res on trauma staff as you generate peril very quickly

[thorn cedar]

I use it with Smite

Still a Gunker

[proper osprey]

Mobility

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/7kljJ4

charged strike shenanigans lmao

love cleaving through 4 maulers into a 5th

[patent mango]

zamn

[woeful sigil]

wait so it only damages the LAST one hit?

[wind spruce]

No

i just dont have healthbar mod on

well to be exact, i put it on but its not working (RIP)

they all get damaged

[proper osprey]

Manifesting a soulblaze fail or force dagger for psykers next melee

[woeful sigil]

oh wait thats the gunner's healthbar behind him

[wind spruce]

nah its the mauler that comes in the psykhanium

[lethal swan]

What do you take for blessings and perks on the Obscurus force sword?

[wind spruce]

uncanny + slaughterer/deflector/unstable power/shred

[lethal swan]

Do you take Carapace Unyielding for the damage perks?

[wind spruce]

i dont specifically know with obscurus but those are usually top picks

there might be a mutie breakpoint with maniacs

[static sonnet]

I think carapace unyielding is what i got on mine. Yeah maniac is a good one too, H1 headshot one-shot mutie no crit with warp rider and like warp siphon charges.

[lethal swan]

hell yeah

[static sonnet]

But h1 special also one-shot if you want unyielding instead

[lethal swan]

oh yeah what's the combos on the obscurus?

for melee?

I haven't used it like outside of launch lol

[static sonnet]

H1 L1 L2 for single target

Hitting the l1 on weakspot takes getting used too.

[viscid matrix]

That’s cause it was bad

[wind spruce]

@woeful sigil https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/bK7P04

better visual representation

[pale prairie]

why do i keep assuming randos will push bursters 😭

[static sonnet]

I think for hoard clear its generally ass at it but l1 h2 I think is your best bet idk about that one

[thorn cedar]

I mean u gotta

[pale prairie]

GASP I want for this super dusty inferno build I will probably never touch

[thorn cedar]

If u default to assuming otherwise you dont get anywhere

[pale prairie]

I mean I just died cause not once but twice in a row all they did was jump backwards instead of push

[viscid matrix]

That does more damage than I thought it would

Is that the cleave node or the lightning melee? Or both?

[pale prairie]

fucking holding boss aggro

I turn away

[wind spruce]

well the cleave is just letting me hit all the maulers, the damage is mostly all charged strike

[woeful sigil]

every time I die some one dodges past a burster and pushes it into the entire team

or shoots it as I'm pushing it

pick your poison

[viscid matrix]

Guess if I play melee build, I’ll have to take both then

[wind spruce]

im not sure what the difference in cleave is on crit, depending how high it is it might just be better to take shred instead of savage sweeps

[royal totem]

Shame. I love knife

[viscid matrix]

Knife is great when playing inferno

[royal totem]

I knife everything

I use knife on zealot too

[pale prairie]

its a good tool for running

[royal totem]

Running? I just slash things

[viscid matrix]

It’s one of the best monstrosity killers

[wind spruce]

Rotating between infernus stacking and push attack spam with flesh tearer decimates bosses

[royal totem]

I forgot what lacerate does

[wind spruce]

Bleed on crit

[lethal swan]

Is dueling sword Carapace/Unyielding, Uncanny Strike/Thrust for a flame staff psyker?

[royal totem]

Approx how much damage does bleed stacks do

[pale prairie]

like a knife amount

[thorn cedar]

that's fleshtearer

[royal totem]

Wut

[pale prairie]

LACERATE

First hit Bleed deals 6 instances of damage every second for six seconds, starting at 5 damage and decaying over the last 3 seconds. Subsequent applications of bleed stack damage and reset the duration before it starts to decay. Decaying starts after 3-4 ticks and damage is gradually reduced every tick until it reaches 0. Decay damage reduction varies depending on the current bleed damage.

[wind spruce]

oh yeah my b

whatEVERRR

[ripe obsidian]

I am the best at stealing soulblaze

[royal totem]

So 5 damage per stack? Huh

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno staff means nothing when I am in the game

:)

[royal totem]

How do you steal soublaze?

[wind spruce]

Classic heresy gaming

[ripe obsidian]

Auric event mission, but yeah

[wind spruce]

Apply it first

[ripe obsidian]

First person to apply Soulblaze gets all the credit

[royal totem]

Ahh....

[wind spruce]

This is why we shriek at 0 peril

[ripe obsidian]

So if I put 1 stack on, then someone else puts 30, it counts as me putting 31 on

[ripe obsidian]

To steal all the Soulblaze

It is my destiny

[wind spruce]

Literally the only reason I play

Other than barrelling teammates

[viscid matrix]

This explains su much

A few missions I got barely any warp charges from Fire, and others I got tonnes

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I managed to finish the event with 2 days to go. I win.

[wind spruce]

Nah that talent is ownership agnostic

You can get procs from anyone's soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

This is why I avoid games with multiple psykers. I am territorial

[strong gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1350220757657059469/Soulblaze_Yummy.gif

[viscid matrix]

When multiple psychs I go gunker if they have a staff

[ripe obsidian]

As is tradition.

[wind spruce]

When I group with other psykers I pick souldrinker bc I'm delusional about it being worth it

[strong gulch]

Speaking of. I did bubble purg and the EK shriek smyker didn't do top SB damage.

[wind spruce]

Proud of you

[strong gulch]

They didn't play really well. I could have given them free damage.

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's worth it

[wind spruce]

Depends on build imo, I only think in gun/meleeker and you're so point starved there

The toughness regen is extremely mid now

[thorn cedar]

who playin rn

[ripe obsidian]

I had 73% uptime on Souldrinker on my Voidstrike Shriek build, which is honestly lower than I would have expected

[thorn cedar]

i wanna do some aurics or some havocs or some shit idk

[wind spruce]

73% is pretty based

[thorn cedar]

tired of getting my ass smashed by adam smasher (of asses)

[wind spruce]

Higher than mettle is nuts

[ripe obsidian]

honestly, yeah. That's also surprising

Considering I had like 56% crit rate

I guess the charge time on Voidstrike is on display there

[thorn cedar]

that 4s duration bridges so many gaps

[ripe obsidian]

It does. But Voidstrike charge without Flurry is 1.66 seconds. Is so sad. D:

[thorn cedar]

man i used to love voidstrike

pre-trees

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike is my go-to Auric weapon

[thorn cedar]

staffs died for me with trees, gunker was my shit already

in the dark days when you had to justify using ammo at all as a psyker

[ripe obsidian]

I wish Voidstrike were usable in Havoc

[wind spruce]

Assail should bounce off carapace instead of disappearing 🙁

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian Didyou finish the event?

[ripe obsidian]

I did, about 30 minutes ago

Now I am writing EK builds

[strong gulch]

kk

[royal totem]

Oh huh.. event will be gone by the time im home

Its k

Im ready for vacation to be over

[wind spruce]

Event is meh anyway. Can't run mael and low vis modifier on every map? Yuck

[candid temple]

low vis is so bad

[wind spruce]

I don't mind it every now and again

[royal totem]

Its k im done.

[candid temple]

can't imagine how bad it would be without nameplates

[wind spruce]

But not back to back games

Eschew healthbars!

[candid temple]

Nah.

[royal totem]

Event was pretty ez

[strong gulch]

I forgot how to fight crushers.

I need to go practice.

[wind spruce]

Turn 360° and run away

[modest perch]

bonk them with the staff

[strong gulch]

Then I'm doing it right these past few days.

[royal totem]

Eat the overheads like pac man

[candid temple]

spam doge and pray

[strong gulch]

clip of that

uhh

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_5-oddsxxwTeZ6tu8RcoBshhUJFsDeER?si=FVMsw5N2w87q6woj

[strong gulch]

My newest psyker is named OverheadedToday.

[royal totem]

LMAO

[strong gulch]

Oh wait wtf. I can't find them.

OH
RIGHT

I forgor that my game crashed when I made them.

[royal totem]

Ahhh 🙁

[steel flame]

Ngl charged strikes, kinda silly. With 5 stacks of empyric shock, max peril and a stack of empowered psionics I did 16k damage to a bonbon by bonking him with a staff

In about 12 seconds too

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

@strong gulch how's this look as an EK+Shriek template?

[steel flame]

I think my only complaint with charged strikes is that it can't be refreshed so it has to end before you can apply it again

[verbal thistle]

whats the color code?

[steel flame]

Very awkward

[ripe obsidian]

Cyan = great
Yellow = good, but there are better options
Orange = preference pick

[strong gulch]

Looks good.

I think the only change might be that EE is chosen (meaning clicked) for the core or base of the template.

While I do advocate for EE on EK (especially for havoc and suppression and stagger immune enemies), it is ultimately a preference to take it.

[ripe obsidian]

Fair.

I can modify that, hold on

[steel flame]

I'm blanking on ee

[strong gulch]

empathic evasion

dodge range on crit

for 1s

[steel flame]

Oh I know, my all time favorite talent

[strong gulch]

Is tasty

[steel flame]

Just couldn't dredge up the initials

[strong gulch]

fair

[steel flame]

Words

Fuck

Tired

[strong gulch]

also fair

they are made up and hard to remember

half my searches are how to spell words

[strong gulch]

No complaints.

[steel flame]

I'm dealing with a goddam frustrating problem rn. The special on the stave keeps freaking the fuck out, just like the helbore bayonet, but only in missions

I think the animations are desyncing

[strong gulch]

wtf

Oh wait

[steel flame]

And it's pissing me off to no end

[strong gulch]

I've had that happen with FGS

[steel flame]

Yeah where it's speeds way up for no reason?

[strong gulch]

It's like a demon is possessing you or something.

[steel flame]

But nothing actually happens

[strong gulch]

Speeds up but also locks you into an animation

[steel flame]

It's super noticable on the staff cause the reach is way different on each attack and I'll just miss cause the animation is saying stab but the staff is actually swinging

It's almost killing my enjoyment of mastering the weird build all by itself

I just wanna quit

Fuck you and your fuck ass netcode fatshark

[strong gulch]

I wouldn't be surprised if staff special is more prone to to fecking up because it probable isn't played or tested nearly as much as other specials.

[steel flame]

The bayonet on the helbore does it incessantly and it killed bayonet vet for me

[strong gulch]

rip

[steel flame]

This was not an issue last year

Shit worked fucking fine

I ran bayonet vet for 3 goddam months after I found bromentum bayonet

Never had animation desync

[proper osprey]

I’ve stabbed dogs in the head with my tac axe but there brain dodges and I get pounced

[tawny pine]

Which stat should be 60% for Greatsword?

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Resist

[tawny pine]

thanks

[ripe obsidian]

No problem. Warp resist is almost always the answer. Except on Voidstrike.

There you dump Blast Radius.

@strong gulch bubble template is functionally identical

I might make Psychic Vampire yellow

[strong gulch]

This is still for VB or inferno right?

[ripe obsidian]

EK

[strong gulch]

Hmm IDK about even putting that up.

[ripe obsidian]

Without Shriek, Psychic Vampire becomes more appealing

imo

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[ripe obsidian]

This is my disclaimer at the start:

"Electrokinetic doesn’t pair particularly well with Telekine Shield. You already have fantastic ranged defense with Empathic Evasion, and not picking Shriek or Scrier’s Gaze will significantly hurt your damage output. Pick this if you’re struggling to push through higher difficulties or you want to offer more support for your team."

[strong gulch]

Without shriek and PC as the main source, PV on paper would be better

would have to play to tho.

Melee becomes more important with this build too.

FGS or bleed knife might be the main options

[royal totem]

PV?

[strong gulch]

IDK how this would go without ER.

[modest perch]

why bleed knife on psyker ?

[strong gulch]

Psychic Vampire. The other option is IFR (in fire reborn) for passive warp charge gain.

[royal totem]

Ah

[strong gulch]

Lacerate knife clears hordes faster than illisi and has more mobility. EK bubble is gonna need stronger melee options.

[modest perch]

intriguing

is lacerate the crit or body bleed ?

[strong gulch]

I wonder if charged strikes might even be worth taking on this?? But will that get nerfed soon?

[verbal thistle]

body

[strong gulch]

Thus building with it in a guide might be sus.

ye lacerate is body

flesh tearer is crit

[modest perch]

i doubt it only like 3-4 ppl use charged strike

[ripe obsidian]

What is going on with Charged Strike?

[strong gulch]

It's doing decent damage on hordes. There's vids of syllo and warudo doing stuff with it. It's also warp damage and has ownership now. wich means talents buff it.

Here's EP charged strikes on staff bonk.

No KF will hurt PC, but I am just worried about horde clear with no shriek.

[royal totem]

Huh i wanna try that

[ripe obsidian]

Huh. Interesting.

[strong gulch]

Assail is an option but has a lot of overlap with EK

I was unironically getting rager kills with staff bonk.

I didn't do a lot of overall damage, but it was notable.

Meaning basically staff bonk only with ep charged strikes

[autumn smelt]

this is likely going to be fixed tbh
but considering im using FGS a lot right now i was like "maybe i can swap assail for smite and use this"

then i remembered id have to take off DD

miss me with that

[ripe obsidian]

Is it not working as intended?

[autumn smelt]

i assume so cuz its never done this before

and neither of the two interacting things were directly changed

i wonder if something got tripped when they baked one of the smite nodes baseline

[strong gulch]

This patch it was finally changed to actually be owned damage and be warp.

[autumn smelt]

mustve been something i missed then

[strong gulch]

But yeah I am wondering if another change and how soon that might happen. So recommending a build is sus.

[autumn smelt]

its kinda like the dog bleed inheriting dog buffs but not as fucking insane

[strong gulch]

yeah

[autumn smelt]

but still gives me the vibes of "i dont think it should do that"

[versed hedge]

Lasts for 3 seconds, totaling about 400. With reinforcement, it can reach 800. However, for hard shells, it is only about 20%

He doesn't have much meaning in existence because the electric hand itself can cause strong damage to a large number of weak enemies. Why do you still switch to melee weapons? This skill itself has no wobbling effect on enemies, it only deals a simple 3-second damage

[strong gulch]

Question. Could this be a flavor of bubble knight but with staff instead of gun??

[royal totem]

Why does it work with staff

Thought its not a heavy attack

[versed hedge]

It is, why isn't it

[strong gulch]

Staff special is a melee attack and can be held for a heavy.

[royal totem]

Oh wuttttttt

I didnt know can be a heavy

[versed hedge]

The reverse of demon claws and stab swords, as well as the special enchantment of psychic swords, all belong to

[strong gulch]

lights and heavies

[versed hedge]

Although they shouldn't be... from a sensory perspective, they are indeed

[royal totem]

Weirddd

[strong gulch]

I look at builds more tomorrow. I think I'm edging into sleepy cursed builds.

[versed hedge]

In fact, compared to the previous version, there haven't been many substantial changes. Although the path for adding skills has changed, the core concept has not actually changed

[gray juniper]

Ngl that block looks satisfying

[ripe obsidian]

@bright summit EK builds added to the guide.

And if anyone wants to look at the EK builds and give feedback, that's also welcome.

Next is Meleeker/Gunker, then misc builds, then I am maybe done?

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight best off meta build.

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble Knight will go in misc builds.

Gimme a link

[plucky flax]

You don't have to.

Nobody even play that build.

[ripe obsidian]

:(

[plucky flax]

Maybe 3.5 people.

[ripe obsidian]

Gib link

I want this guide to have lots of other builds from people who aren't me

[plucky flax]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

[ripe obsidian]

Any particular blurb you want at the top?

[bright summit]

Yay 💙

[ripe obsidian]

I linked two of your builds. Lemme know if you want anything added to that

[bright summit]

I'll put out something to cover some scriers m1 stuff after exams this week

[plucky flax]

Well it's a havoc specific build.

Don't play bubble in auric.

Bad for your health.

[deft stump]

I raise you trapper waves in mortis.

[bright summit]

Lemme find the Scriers DDs build hold on

[plucky flax]

I did mortis with no psyker for that penance no healing station or ammo crate used.

[ripe obsidian]

added to the guide

[plucky flax]

Mortis is still dead easy and boring af.

Just waiting around most of the time.

[deft stump]

Where if I don't pick void touched 'nades, we are somehow going to wipe if I don't tryhard.

[ripe obsidian]

A couple new Mortis penances came out. Gotta do those eventually

[plucky flax]

I played one round for that penance for the frame.

Then I waas like this shit is so ass I'm not touching more.

[patent jacinth]

Just turn your brain off then listen when you get the lore

For 50 consecutive half hour matches

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fbb65d7-2fe0-402d-9630-65e5876d4477/havocauric-staff-pysker-sciers-gaze-disrupt-destiny @ripe obsidian

Hold on I need to change the title I actually don't recommend pubbing this build because it's hyper specialized lmao

[patent jacinth]

I can tell this build is good because the image is a shitpost and not Ai glorpshit or random actual art

[bright summit]

Sorry I need to draw more

[patent jacinth]

Not sarcasm

[bright summit]

I've been not locked in

[patent jacinth]

All good builds have shitposts for images

[bright summit]

Lmao

[ripe obsidian]

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