psyker-class

[pulsar hazel]

the 5s cooldown looks like con

but it'd be op otherwise

since the suppression seems to last abt 5 secs anyway 💀

[calm lagoon]

Thank you cro

[steel flame]

@static vessel sorry I meant to say the choice is between crack of bone and perfect timing

[royal totem]

Ugh. Awake again 🙁

[static vessel]

Ah, thank you :)

but no aura? I mean the purple stuff

[wispy bay]

It is normal that some builds don't need those.

[royal totem]

Keystone you mean

[static vessel]

Yeah!

Also uh a warp charge reduces the amount of charge you need for a brain pop right

Oh it just makes the combat ability regen faster

[royal totem]

Only combat ability iirc

Doesnt affect blitzs

But empowered psionics does

[solid pond]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[hasty vapor]

Can someone cook me build for warp battery penance

[royal totem]

Bb with kinetic flayer. Purgatus staff. In fire reborn. Above keystone talents all kinda standard.

Playing on auric is best due to density

[steel flame]

@static vessel I went ahead and made a GL build for better reference (and so I don't have to type everything out again) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/blazing-spirit-greatsword?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[static vessel]

yay :D

[royal totem]

Ek also works but youd probs take psych vamp instead of in fire reborn

[steel flame]

God I remember getting that penance, what?, 3 years ago now? Back when psykers entire identity was warp charges, brain burst and shriek

[white sky]

Which one is warp battery again?

[steel flame]

4 or more warp charges for most of a mission

[white sky]

I think i also got that back when

[idle valve]

when a specialist or an elite is killer, gain a stack. i think it gave 4% damage per stack, but also if you used your combat ability it would consume those charges to refund a partial amount of your combat ability

or did u mean the penance

LOL

[white sky]

The penance, ty tho

[steel flame]

Penance

[idle valve]

[cold ivy]

it's basically "do not press F" the penance

[summer prairie]

I see the bug isn't specific to Crystaline will https://streamable.com/ztzk9v

[steel flame]

Back in ye olde times......Yeah you got to do an entire mission with only brain burst out and no venting shriek....yipee

[idle valve]

what's happening?

[summer prairie]

Not losing wounds

[white sky]

One of the only pysker back when's I didnt get is cliffhanger tbh

[idle valve]

interesting

[summer prairie]

But probably doesn't work very well in havoc due to corrupting attacks

[steel flame]

That's funny cause once you figured out what they were actually asking you to do it was laughably Easy even before they started nerfing it

[steel flame]

The whole penance is and was a lie. You simply had to kill the listed number of enemies while they are in a falling state. No cliffs or ult required. You could get it just by killing poxwalkers while they leaped over a crate with your melee weapon

[white sky]

Does it still work like that?

[steel flame]

Yup

[static vessel]

🥹

peak

[white sky]

Oh, I'll just purge staff poxxies at the end of thst one metalfab then

[steel flame]

Fire sword go brrrrrr

I just wish I could use the dam build in pubs havoc but fucking double health cc immune crusher hordes are the bane of my build

[solid pond]

just kill them

[static vessel]

I think theorically soulblaze can last forever

[solid pond]

[static vessel]

as long as enemies keep coming and dying

I get it every time in meatgrinder

[steel flame]

Perilous combustion can infinetly loop as long as elites/specials keep dying next to each other

[solid pond]

it chains indefinitely between the specialist pack yeah, because perilious combustion is good

wildfire is not

elites are usually too high health to die easily to it

[steel flame]

Wildfire is extremely good with blazing spirit but entirely redundant with inferno staff, but since 99% of psykers sole experience with soul blaze is with an inferno staff it's just assumed that it's ass

[marble crater]

Oh boy, is it time for another wildfire debate?

[solid pond]

give build for BS abusing

[steel flame]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a00aa358-26ff-4d52-91ba-559682ebd0e9/blazing-spirit-greatsword?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Man good thing I decided to put the build on gl today

[wind spruce]

Zazy

Try chainsword EP charged strike with savage sweeps and wrath

No questions allowed

[steel flame]

That sounds extremely silly. I've been meaning to build something like that

Does ep actually effect the charged strike damage?

[wind spruce]

You can cleave through ridiculous amounts of shit, and charged strike does A LOT of damage with EP

[marble crater]

Why not?

[marsh badger]

Ive only tried evis, are the new chord changes good?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[steel flame]

Fuck yesh

[wind spruce]

🤽‍♂️

[steel flame]

Now that charged strike doesn't nerf itself if you apply it multiple times

[graceful arch]

Is wildfire really necessary?

Sorry if it's a dumb question.

[royal totem]

Plz spare

[royal totem]

Yes

[steel flame]

It's entirely necessary for blazing spirit to spread

[plucky flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1422637305008750843/image.png?ex=68e3547c&is=68e202fc&hm=8a254d17f56e6b6c28ebb65230882c55b1e0b9fb1995cff56027e0467cc39339&

Please never use wildfire.

Most useless skill in the game.

[summer prairie]

I played one round of purg without wildfire and wildfire rending trauma stole my sb

[wind spruce]

The issue with wildfire is it has an incredibly high skill floor

[graceful arch]

[wind spruce]

[solid pond]

[steel flame]

That statement is full of holes when every crit is spreading around those 1 stacks to 4 enemies 6 at a time and fucking soul blaze damage scales exponentially with stacks and it means you reach higher stacks with venting when adding it to 4 instead of nothing

[plucky flax]

It's 2025 and people still think wildfire only spread 1 stack of soulblaze to each enemy.

[wraith sphinx]

I take wildfire if I'm playing purg and don't think about it 🙂

[steel flame]

I mean that's your statement buddy

[wind spruce]

"AgentChaosMeme"

[plucky flax]

Is tru I replied to this AgentChaosMeme imposter.

[wraith sphinx]

[steel flame]

Fair, you got me

[royal totem]

Lmao

[wind spruce]

I heard he's top 0.1%

[steel flame]

Agent truly is better than zazy

[wraith sphinx]

no that's UnsanctionedNoob

[plucky flax]

I heard agentchaosmeme is better than unsanctioned.

[wraith sphinx]

no he's not

[steel flame]

Bait successful

[plucky flax]

[wraith sphinx]

[royal totem]

Why do ppl think wildfire only spreads 1 stack?????

[plucky flax]

Because that's how it works.

But they forgot the fact that 4 stacks spread to 1 enemy 1 stack each can get up to 4 stacks cap.

Maybe they don't run debuff indicator mod.

[steel flame]

Most don't

[plucky flax]

So for whatever reason they just thought it's 1 stack each enemy but in reality it's 4 stacks each lol

[royal totem]

Yeah.......

If the worst psyker here knows that then more should. (Worst psyker here iz me)

I still...blow up

[plucky flax]

I do sometimes too not too often.

[wraith sphinx]

nah I'm the worst psyker here

I still play gun psyker

even though it's doodoo

[zealous wing]

:<

[austere warren]

_>

Such needless lies.

Why do you live so?

[wraith sphinx]

I could never tell a lie.

[patent mango]

this is so sad can we buff scriers gaze dd and assail again

[royal totem]

I dont lie eithee

[solid pond]

@steel flame for it being a solo auric I jumped into to test, that is a funny amount of soulblaze, colour me surprised

world on fire but melee flavoured

[royal totem]

Im a bot 10% player. Honest

[austere warren]

The person who said that lied all the time. And also just never said that iirc lmao.

Anyway. Gun psyker good. Cease.

[candid temple]

Smite bad, can we get a buff?

[patent mango]

smite will be removed actually it has to happen

[candid temple]

Honestly, if they made smite like -80% animation speed, I'd be less hateful of it

[patent mango]

i'd b ok with smite if it had gameplay

[candid temple]

so instead of psychic shock trap, it's a psycic slow

[austere warren]

People can also have a personality that isn't hating smite.

:>

[patent mango]

source?

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-terrifying-horror-bunny-roomba-gif-3761752394286498185

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-steamsad-steamangry-steammad-steamangy-gif-10453971517039865787

[candid temple]

Enjoying Smite, is a sign of sociopathy.

"i'm having fun, ´fuck everyone else"

[patent mango]

idk i dont really hate smite it just sucks that it could have been something i'd actually want to use instead

[austere warren]

Why would I pass up on someone giving me free damage?

[royal totem]

Everybody that played with me can testify how ive failed clutxhes

[patent mango]

failing clutches still means ur the last alive

[candid temple]

I mean, I don't leave if there's a smyker, but I just find those games to be super boring.

[white sky]

Everyone else put you in that situation so they can't really complain about your decision making imho

[wraith sphinx]

I don't like smite because it's inflexible and restrictive

[patent mango]

so i only really use assail lol

[austere warren]

Lol I guess. I love em.

[wraith sphinx]

Also I thought the gun psyker remark would have been obviously seen as a bit lol

[white sky]

Assail is the most fun psyker blitz by a mile tbh

[patent mango]

yeah

the others are just so guh

[royal totem]

Scumbag last alive. Doesnt save game. Smh

[candid temple]

do you also enjoy duelling sword?

[austere warren]

"Oh look, I can do dps without being interrupted. Awesome"

[wraith sphinx]

BB has grown a lot on me with this KF buff tbh

[candid temple]

it's shit dps though, since the mobs are all split, instead of bunching up nicely for me to cut their heads off...

[austere warren]

I enjoy just about anything but yeah. Haven't touched it since this patch because I'm enjoying other melee.

[wraith sphinx]

but I'm also a bit tired from using assail all the time

[patent mango]

12s feels too long still idk

[white sky]

For the most part I can do this anyway without smite and its faster cause someone else is pitching in

[patent mango]

mayb its different in a game but eh

[wraith sphinx]

it's good trust

esp with how it was before

guaranteed every 12 seconds vs 10% chance every 15 seconds is huge

[patent mango]

i mean its like 1 more stab worth of dmg every 12s

[royal totem]

Should be 1 second! (Im joking)

[graceful arch]

I find a lot of the times it staggers My dps cause the smykers won't let enemies funnel into me as vet or zealot.

[patent mango]

idk how much that matters

[wraith sphinx]

it's always welcome vs carapace enemies

[austere warren]

That's fine. People can still just do the thing like anyone else but the knee-jerk smite hate circlejerk always been weird to me.

That's like complaining about loyal protector to me. Oh no, someone is just GIVING me free dps to dish out oh the horror.

[wraith sphinx]

that's what I try to "save" the kf proc for

[austere warren]

Why would I have a problem with an oasis when I'm in the desert?

[patent mango]

its really all just cause smite is really boring and taking up a blitz slot that could be fun

[prime elk]

smykers get what they deserve (an exploding barrel to the face)

[graceful arch]

Also smite is bugged ATM causing double damage instead of the 10% its supposed to.

[patent mango]

specially considering how much cool stuff psyker could do with blitzes

[austere warren]

Man I just fucking throw a grenade or shoot my gun i don't get these points.

[patent mango]

kinda sad we have 2 that are just so eh

[prime elk]

nobody should have the option to just turn off the fucking game with the press of 2 buttons

yet somehow smite is in the game

curious

[austere warren]

??

[prime elk]

if i wanted to hit stationary targets, i'd just do it in the psyk

and never queue up for an actual match

[austere warren]

I guess

[patent mango]

the fix is to just autoplay subway surfers on the side whenever a smyker is in the lobby

[wraith sphinx]

brain burst will always get a pass from me because the head popping sound is very satisfying

bubble wrap type shit

[graceful arch]

Shoot my gun, in havoc, where ammo is notoriously easy to come by... Listen I just don't like how smite feels to play with.

[patent mango]

smite coulda been idk molten beam imagine that

[prime elk]

palp lightning is very funny tbf, i just wished it wasn't... implemented like this

[austere warren]

I've been talking about being supported by someone taking smite.

[graceful arch]

It causes the game to feel slow and it's extremely Boring it's like if a book zealot had the stagger component of book the entire game it's just not fun.

[candid temple]

The nr1 thing I hate about smite is that it just stops the mobs from moving.

that's why 80% slow instead of deadstop would be probably make it not so annoying to play with.

[austere warren]

It's just really funny to hate on a cc tool because it performs the act of being a cc tool

[patent mango]

at least chorus is less spammable now

cc has to have cooldowns to it though

[austere warren]

Not even arguing fr it's just way too funny to me.

[patent mango]

otherwise it needs subway surfer on the side

[graceful arch]

No I have no problem with shockmine or hell even the shock nades on zealot.

Or void blast

[patent mango]

did shockmines get nerfed actually i dont remember

[graceful arch]

All cc tools

[candid temple]

wild that people don't like an ability that makes the game boring as hell.

[wraith sphinx]

smite would become kinda salvageable if it dealt like a lingering stun effect instead of damage maybe

[graceful arch]

That are extremely effective they just don't stall the game to halt.

[patent mango]

i'd rather smite be like 1 massive lightning cc blast with a big cd

[wraith sphinx]

true

biden blast blitz

[austere warren]

Huge shrug. I have fun shutting shit down. I have fun getting benefitted by having someone just telling shit to stop.

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-palpatine-limited-power-force-gif-27245534

[idle valve]

tell me about force greatsword 👀

[patent mango]

well gs is mostly dmg

[candid temple]

timestop from secret level

[patent mango]

lol the wiki getting darktide stuff

[austere warren]

I'd rather just have a secondary surge option that amps shit up to make things blow up more.

[patent mango]

i dotn think this stuff was here before

[wraith sphinx]

It wasn't

[patent mango]

yeah i dont remember it last time i checked

[wraith sphinx]

I'm all for deadly fidget spinners getting canonized though

[steel flame]

My entire starting goal that lead to the build was "I want a melee only build that deals more ranged damage than melee damage but still be a melee build"

[wraith sphinx]

Also warudo I think that might be related to that wrath and glory darktide module that recently released

[patent mango]

fr?

i did not see taht much

[wraith sphinx]

The wording of it makes me think of TTRPG rules

just a hunch though

[austere warren]

I just like tools that are pretty helpful to me and a team so if it means that the tool in question shuts things down, I'm totally fine with it.

It's not like people can't already force the game into a standstill with coordination so smite getting the spotlight has always been extremely meaningless to me ig.

[graceful arch]

On Deimos fs is heavy spam viable for single target in havoc?

[candid temple]

It's fine to have a different opinion.

[wraith sphinx]

No it's not

[patent mango]

opinions? in MY warhammer?

😨

[austere warren]

If it was more varied within its own interactions, I'd use it more just off the strength of it having even one or two more buttons.

[wraith sphinx]

That's what we call hare essay

😨

[patent mango]

horse heresy 😨

[graceful arch]

All I'm going to say is I'd take a void blast psyker over smite any day of the week.

[austere warren]

Like a power surge or something or stupid fuck lighting bolt.

[austere warren]

I just run both if I want to

Psyker just has diversity baked in to itself so if I'm in the mood to be redundant as fuck with a method of play, I'll just do it.

Vent, voidblast/strike, smite? Sure. The fuck they're going to do about it? Not get thrown around?

[wraith sphinx]

voidblast... plus smyker...

😨

[austere warren]

Yep.

Haven't tried that recently yet so idk but I've done it before.

[wraith sphinx]

I have abuild like that it's evil as all hell

I griefed so much people with it

[patent mango]

ok the darktide wrath and glory stuff seems really annoying to do

[austere warren]

Just turning myself into a roaming cc sentry is great.

[patent mango]

so uh not happening

[wraith sphinx]

I mean you don't even get any sort of a preview to be able to see what it does 😂 no thanks

[austere warren]

Most recent one was the push or whatever voidstrike, and smite. Shit awesome.

I exist so the enemy doesn't anymore. :>

[zealous wing]

i no longer will feel bad barreling smykers off cliffs

[verbal thistle]

welcome

[austere warren]

Oh no, we're losing ground.

No. We're fine. Everything fell down. Again. If they stand up, they can get shocked or slammed again lol.

[solid pond]

[austere warren]

Bold to assume you're not getting barrled already.

[solid pond]

it kills so much random shit without me even targetting it

[austere warren]

Countergrief is great.

[zealous wing]

i wonder how many people have blocked this person

[solid pond]

second match actually had humans and I got 4x the damage of the closest person

granted, 2 people walked into the most obvious DH in existence

BUT

thats funny

[patent mango]

imma try kf a bit

[austere warren]

Getting blocked over smite advocacy is actually incredibly funny.

You should do it purely for the bit.

[solid pond]

Moebian 21st and rampage in havoc might make this available to abuse

whenever that comes back

[zealous wing]

no, its advocacy for smite overusage to stop other people from playing the game

[wraith sphinx]

o yea kf is still overall the best for soulfire staff builds esp purgatus

[patent mango]

think about it would markplier really advocate for smite

[zealous wing]

smykers render combat pointless, if you dont want to play the game, then just dont

[wraith sphinx]

it's just that it's comfortably viable for gunkering too now

[zealous wing]

fuckin endless smite with scriers? blocked. im not dealing with a paused game for half an hour while you press W and think youre good at the game

[austere warren]

First of all, I said that if I want to play a certain way, I will because I can. Secondly, I literally brought up an example of build that just does other things on top of smite so it's always up to me with what I do. Thirdly, idk, get over it? Nobody owes it you to as some kind of life debt because you logged in to the same video game.

[zealous wing]

play the way you want, but then dont get mad at comments about blocking smykers

[austere warren]

If you wanna block me over that go nuts dude lmao

I'm literally not even mad what are you talking about?

Aren't you the one that's talking about blocking me over a video game choice that's not even cheating? Hello.

[zealous wing]

and, btw i do mean ingame blocking, not discord

[patent mango]

ok kf is kinda funny (dmg of stab +kf)

man

[austere warren]

Point still stands genuinely just on a smaller scale.

It's just petty and honestly very amusing.

[zealous wing]

why play with people who make the game boring for everyone else?

[austere warren]

Which is why I mentioned to just do it for the bit. If you're gonna be a hater actually value the craft

[austere warren]

I mean, I'm literally out here just having my own fun, smite or not.

Idk

Unethical lightning. Pfft...

[patent mango]

wait

did

[zealous wing]

what does one suggest one do when a smyker keeps freezing hordes, locking us in hallways, stopping us from moving, dodging snipers. i do advocate for PROPER smite usage, however spamming is not beneficial to anyone. ever.

[patent mango]

did they fix charged strike?

[austere warren]

Be proactive.

Idk lol

[patent mango]

STOP everything

they might've fixed charged strike

[zealous wing]

i will be, i will barrel them

[austere warren]

I play games where someone runs smite and I just play the exact same way.

[summer prairie]

No

[patent mango]

its actually proccing buffs?

[summer prairie]

Oh that

that was in the patch notes

[patent mango]

it was???

[wraith sphinx]

fr??

[patent mango]

what

this is HUGE

[wraith sphinx]

wait err

[summer prairie]

it sort of was anyway

[austere warren]

The smite hate is reminding me of children throwing themselves down in stores to pressure parents into buying a toy.

[patent mango]

for fricks sake now ihave to use smite

[wraith sphinx]

hold up wdym by proccing buffs??

[patent mango]

this

god hecking damn it

[austere warren]

I can't help it. It's just actually bratty as hell and I love it. The most unserious kind of complaint imo

[wraith sphinx]

hmm

[patent mango]

you dont get it

[wraith sphinx]

isn't charged strike dot kinda doodoo

[patent mango]

smite just got its FIRST real fun application with this

i didnt even KNOW

[summer prairie]

now try it with EP

[patent mango]

you'd get pe rma malefic momentum

as you get both warp dmg and non warp

from the same attack

[wraith sphinx]

hmm

so h attack trash mobs, h attack elites, ???, profit

[patent mango]

yeah

theres a chance smite is now better for melee builds than assail

[prime elk]

it's more like the smyker is a spoiled, screaming brat at a restaurant ruining the experience for everyone else

[wraith sphinx]

I don't think that chance is particularly big

[austere warren]

It's not like there aren't multiple builds where you just drop things before they ever get a chance to interact lmao. Back to the game yall crack me up sometimes fr.

Unrelated, but what are some things that might be seeing more use these days? I'm usually just sitting pretty in the right tree but I don't mind rcommendations.

[wraith sphinx]

but aight I'll keep this in mind and test it out

[patent mango]

the dmg of charged strike isnt that bad

[austere warren]

Again, I can't not laugh.

Yall can't be serious

[patent mango]

it helps with horde clear

as every hit procs it even the ones that usually do no dmg due to cleave dmg falloff or whatever

[solid pond]

is about coping about smite players?

[prime elk]

you ruin the game for everyone else for your own amusement. how is that not the peak selfishness?

[solid pond]

if so I also don't understand the hate, I don't personally play it but why not just go kill the things being smited

[prime elk]

i don't block smykers personally

[austere warren]

Ig? Something about gamer™ tizzies can't be taken serious by me.

[solid pond]

[summer prairie]

I don't mind smiters at all

[wraith sphinx]

A bit specific but I can see it

[austere warren]

It's like the most unserious thing to complain about imo that's all I said.

[prime elk]

but you can't deny that it turns off the entire game lol

[wraith sphinx]

trouble is I expected C strike to help me kill elites faster and it feels underwhelming in that respect

[patent mango]

it like doubles your force gs charge gain

on a heavy

[strong gulch]

Ye. EP charged strikes is really funny. #psyker-class message

[prime elk]

basically turns the game into a glorified psykanium until periled out or a boss shows up

[wraith sphinx]

it doesn't spend an ep charge??

[patent mango]

ep works on charged strike itself??

[strong gulch]

no

[patent mango]

i thought that was just a meme

[wraith sphinx]

ok ok

I'm putting on my based cap rn

[patent mango]

like

[strong gulch]

I kept EP stacks the whole mission. https://youtu.be/Sz5q2npmCOY

[patent mango]

this looks pretty decent to me

look at how much charge im getting from 2 hits

[wraith sphinx]

I agree warudo

ok you convinced me

[austere warren]

The like it because it turns off the game?

I don't like voc because there's more to vet than one ability. Does that mean that every voc that actually knows how to play is somehow stifling my entire experience? No.

Loyal protector just denying me enemies attacking me isn't something that matters to me either.

Nor is using the improved smokes or any knockdown or shock mine, etc.

How am I supposed to take this seriously?

[wraith sphinx]

I will try this out with fgs

[patent mango]

i gotta watch this

[strong gulch]

It's silly

[patent mango]

to convince me to use smite you coulda just mentioned charged strike actually functions now lmao

i had no idea

[wraith sphinx]

they aren't being serious

[prime elk]

are you trolling or do you really have such a poor understanding of the issue lol

[wraith sphinx]

I think

[prime elk]

i genuinely cannot tell

[wraith sphinx]

yall just shitposting right

[austere warren]

I'm not gonna be able to convince you about anything dude.

[patent mango]

idk i wasnt reading im busy testing

[wraith sphinx]

fair

[austere warren]

I'm just talking about a tool that I don't mind.

[patent mango]

this is actually awesome

[wraith sphinx]

I'll give this a whirl tomorrow

[patent mango]

imma try ep

was this always 15%

probably not

[wraith sphinx]

I think it was

[patent mango]

imma try that too

[wraith sphinx]

10-15%

[patent mango]

i havent used ep in like a year

[wraith sphinx]

me neither lol

[patent mango]

lol

[strong gulch]

Might have been 12.5ish?

IDK

[wraith sphinx]

I always run either siphon or deedee

[wraith sphinx]

still inferior to the elite kill subnode imo

[plucky flax]

Same i lost 9 out of 10 games today

No karien to carry

[ripe obsidian]

Have you tried winning instead?

[plucky flax]

No that's too hard

[patent mango]

oh my god

[austere warren]

I literally understand why people would have a problem with a tool that because of how it's a sustained channel can and often does just force things to stop moving. That's not hard to understand.

What I don't understand is why it needs to be moralized and then ppl genuinely needing to turn it into some silly juror's deliberation when there's plenty of other ways to just make enemies in the game do nothing but spend time committing to recovery animations. Yall really do seem to think that strangers playing a game with you actually owe it to you which is just some nutty shit to me.

I don't waste my time with performative trolling on the internet. Not every single person that can actually speak for themselves is doing so in bad faith.

[patent mango]

it actually does a LOT of dmg with ep? lmfaom

[plucky flax]

2 bonbon at the front and rot armour gang at the back trapped the whole team

We just died

[wraith sphinx]

heavy attack spammers about to eat good???

[prime elk]

ok, what other ability or blitz has the ability to shut down an entire horde for 90-95% of a 40 minute match?

[summer prairie]

use a weapon with real cleave

[patent mango]

not happening

[strong gulch]

OH WAIT. It is different. the base used to be 7.5ish% for a charge. So base was changed at some point.

[patent mango]

i c

i mean i have like 20 force greatswords imma equip a wrath one

[wraith sphinx]

yeaaa that's where cstrike used to lose all appeal with me lmao

does enfeeble boost the charged strike dot?

[patent mango]

yea

[summer prairie]

it essentially makes it tick faster, you do a lot more damage

it's not just +10% damage

[wraith sphinx]

lol really

[austere warren]

I mentioned that things can be done with coordination and that people can just use builds that make their interplay with enemy units negligible. Never wasted time denying how smite can be used so idk why that's ever being brought up.

I know you think I'm trolling but I'm really not. It's strange to me that people make this some point of contention and I keep repeating that sentiment over and over.

At zero point have I ever played denial so bringing up denial or implying it is literally useless, ireelvant and putting yall in bunches so why do it yourselves?

[royal totem]

Cant imagine you losing 9/10 games xD

[summer prairie]

I can

[patent mango]

i lose 12 out of 10 games

[plucky flax]

I was trying hard like 5 out of those 10 games too

[summer prairie]

for some reason I also lost 9/10 or something

[prime elk]

my man. the entire point of this is that ONE person can turn off the game, WITHOUT the consent of ANYBODY on the team

teamwork and synergizing ults is a great thing

nobody is complaining about that

[patent mango]

lets go gambling!

[plucky flax]

Tomorrow I try again too much dt for 1 day

[steel flame]

Yeah this is a typical mission for me with the build

[patent mango]

wait i have a hilarious idea

1s

[austere warren]

Why the fuck are yall bringing consent into a topic that literally isn't being put in jeopardy

[royal totem]

Damn im sowwy. Was my fault. Was trolling on my vet.

[summer prairie]

weekday easy mode with pubs

[austere warren]

Yk what? You got it. Lmao

[patent mango]

nvm i dont have the customization add ons

i wanted to put a blade on a staff

for the c harged strike meme

LOL

[prime elk]

because most people do not queue up for matches to hit stationary targets like they're in the psykanium

[wraith sphinx]

based

[prime elk]

if you want to turn a match into a psykanium

[austere warren]

Imma be over here, smite on when I want, using it as I please.

[prime elk]

you should at least ask if that's ok first

[austere warren]

Dude...

[summer prairie]

No he shouldn't

it's part of the game, deal with it

[prime elk]

exploding barrels are part of the game too

like i said

i actually don't block smykers because idc that much

[patent mango]

i mean i cant put a blade on it but

[prime elk]

because they tend to be shit at the game

[austere warren]

Yall gotta get over yourselves. Someone getting smite not putting nobody in danger of anything else but their own sense of boredom.

I'm not getting violated when someone has smite. Get real dude.

[prime elk]

and flattened by a stray poxwalker behind them

[patent mango]

i can do this one

lmao

[steel flame]

Sir, I need you to stop using flamethrower sir, I didnt que up to shoot things that are on fire sir, I need you to stop

[patent mango]

yeah just put a hecking confirmation pop up to allow a smyker into your lobby

[prime elk]

i don't think you understand how selfish the playstyle is despite repeatedly explaining it to you, but i'm not your mom

[wraith sphinx]

new psyker meta just dropped

[zealous wing]

things on fire still fight back

[ripe obsidian]

Smite should be replaced with a non-channeled ability.

[prime elk]

not my responsibility to teach basic manners lol

[prime elk]

would prob lead to review bombing

[austere warren]

Again, get over yourself.

Demonizing fake video game lightning is beyond childish.

[zealous wing]

yeah smite should 100% be a single pulse high peril cost AOE at most

[lethal folio]

Put haymaker on the cleavy knife, run warp splitting and charged strike and win.

[steel flame]

We fucking had that already, it was called the pre smite lightning staff, it sucked for different reasons, get over it

[zealous wing]

demonising people fake killing you with fake barrels in a video game is also childish

[prime elk]

god forbid i'm allowed to criticize selfish people that i'm interacting with for 40 minutes

[austere warren]

I agree that changing it from a pure channel to something internally interesting is totally fine. I disagree that people are evil for using it. It's just stupid as fuck.

[ripe obsidian]

Arby's shock mine shows that a non-channeled smite is viable, but okay

[patent mango]

lightning fist

[austere warren]

Criticism at the end of grief barrels. Input output man.

[prime elk]

it's not evil. it's just selfish and in poor taste

[patent mango]

new playstyle just dropped

[steel flame]

No no, clearly not ok, they are just standing there,

[austere warren]

I didn't demonize it, I called it childish and bratty.

[prime elk]

i can play selfishly if my teammates chose to do so

it's very simple

[zealous wing]

if perma-smiting isnt griefing, barrels aren't either

[prime elk]

i don't have to sit there and take it

[steel flame]

He wants to shoot things that aren't just standing there

[ripe obsidian]

I dislike that smite is channeled for the same reason I dislike zealot's book being channeled. At least book is only a few seconds long.

[austere warren]

Barreling as protest pfft.

[steel flame]

Clearly mines are not ok

[ripe obsidian]

?

[prime elk]

you know what, from now on

[plucky flax]

Krak out

[zealous wing]

shock mines are limited in supply

[austere warren]

Get involved in something that actually matters idk. Help out at a clothing drive or something.

[patent mango]

i dont even ahve to intentionally try to kill people with barrels some people run into em

[prime elk]

the moment i see a smyker in my matches

i might as well immediately switch to rumblergryn

give the smyker a taste of their own medicine

[austere warren]

Okay?

[steel flame]

So we should give smyker ammo then?

[patent mango]

yeah

do it its funny

[ripe obsidian]

I had a support Arby with mines and nuncio in H40 last night. Was honestly kinda nice when they turned off a group of rotten armor crushers

[prime elk]

see how it feels when someone else just turns off the entire game

[austere warren]

You'll sure show the person who is holding things down that uh
..you can just blow your mobs.

[steel flame]

Non channel smite will still be smite, we will still just spam it with sciers

[austere warren]

At least you got me to smile ig

[royal totem]

Minus one on the sibling list

[steel flame]

Nothing with change

[ripe obsidian]

But Smite means the smyker is barely playing the game, which leads to bad habits

[prime elk]

as if i'd need anyone to hold down mobs when playing rumblergryn

[zealous wing]

perma-smite means they literally arent doing anything helpful anyway

[steel flame]

Well on that front, we should get rid of arbites then,

[austere warren]

I like grenade boom bullshit ogryn too so this is all nothing burger to me.

Am I a shithead for wanting to play demo man ogryn too? Genuinely curious.

[patent mango]

im having too much fun with this

[ripe obsidian]

My proposal, not that anyone in power will read it or care, is to replace Smite with an ability similar to Cassia's forced movement in Rogue Trader. LMB to force enemies in a radius to approach a point, RMB to force them to flee from a point. Zone control and CC without locking down enemies or the Psyker.

[patent mango]

nope cassia is a navigator

though idira does have similar stuff so wahtever i guess

[steel flame]

Arbys Having his health management and disabler control hand held for him teaches worse bad habits than smite

[zealous wing]

that would actually be super helpful

[prime elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1385832628145487872/562E691.MP4?ex=68e3e876&is=68e296f6&hm=0623b193f0f3274c2a1571c19d9a1ea51cda8d1434bdc840f3e637c4356ef234&

a smyker can't smite if there's nothing to smite

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[austere warren]

Yeah I don't see the problem here.

Shooting multiple grenades is fun.

[prime elk]

yeah i'm not surprised that you don't

[steel flame]

There isn't one, the problem is being invented

[austere warren]

Because breech loaded grenade launchers are fun weapons to me. and killing something with a grenade hesdshot is cartoonish.

[prime elk]

oh yes it's very fun for you, which is all that matters as you've clearly established

[steel flame]

I think we should also get rid of flame staff. Flame staff psykers barely have to play the game and their fire leaves nothing for anyone else to kill

[austere warren]

Yeah. And I'll play other builds that won't have anything to do with those builds because I'm just able to make my own choices. Big shrug ig

[patent mango]

yeah uh we can also complain about inferno

thats an option

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, sure, Arby is the easiest class by a wide margin. I think of it kind of as a tutorial class for new players. My issue with Arby is more that Arby players tended to be solo players pretending the team didn't exist. That problem seems to have resolved of late

[steel flame]

It's just iron breaker all over again

[austere warren]

Most my favorite builds are some shooter mcshootem/high mobility nonsense. What about it?

I like shield slab too so I mean what are you getting at here?

[patent mango]

i just tried to get DD stacks with EP equipped

got damn

[steel flame]

I think we should also get rid of trauma staff, it knocks everything on the ground so everyone just has to sit there and hit stuff that isn't moving

[prime elk]

i just thought it was highly amusing you keep talking about yourself this entire time, and how much fun you're having, without regard to the impact your playstyle is having on the enjoyment of the game of your allies

like it's so on-point

for a smker

that i can't even take this seriously anymore

[austere warren]

You realize that when giving examples about oneself, you talk about oneself right?

[zealous wing]

thinking the same thing

[patent mango]

uh yeah trauma also needs some erm adjustments

[ripe obsidian]

I also think Shriek's second augment should cause bruisers and trash enemies to go berserk and attack the nearest creature, ally or enemy, for a duration based on peril when used. But that didn't happen

[zealous wing]

smyker: im right everyone else is wrong
everyone else: barrel

[prime elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[steel flame]

I think we should also get rid of book spam, it forces me as a non bookie to sit there and attack stuff that isn't fighting back

[prime elk]

i'm going to make a confession: i've never barreled a smyker

i meme about it here

but never actually do it

[austere warren]

🤨 I literally spend most of my time in this game playing countershooting veteran with exestance since the game ever existed.

You can just not know anything about someone and say shit so that's not a problem I guess

[zealous wing]

i havent yet either

[patent mango]

thats gone

with cdr stuff

[zealous wing]

then i played zealot and got stuck with an SG smyker in lights out event

[patent mango]

i forgor what nerf chorus got even but people said it was nerfed or smth

[kind jay]

what is this build? charge strike and ep? the staff bonk one actually looks fun and hilarious

[prime elk]

because never felt the need to when smykers always die so quickly

[patent mango]

yea

idk what else works on it

i did have warp split too

that works

[austere warren]

I mean if they're running smite and dying that's just them not applying any other fundamentals

[patent mango]

smiteplier from youtube

[austere warren]

Unfortunate but not uncommon.

[zealous wing]

the number of times smykers get pounced, mutied, trappered, is ridiculously high

[steel flame]

It might work on weapon melee specials, those can hold for heavy

[zealous wing]

i have never NOT seen a smyker get got

[austere warren]

Yeah I know. I typically am the one covering them more than the other way around.

[patent mango]

it do

lemme clip it

[steel flame]

Run around pistol whipping people without actually shooting the revolver cause psyker self admits to not knowing how to reload

Wait wait wait wait

[austere warren]

They definitely exist but that usually when they're just solid on basic defense and understand how smite has its own limits.

They're very rare but they're a thing.

[steel flame]

Does roulette work on the melee special

O_o

[patent mango]

roulette?

[strong gulch]

true

[patent mango]

if you mean revolvers special i doubt it can heavy attack

[prime elk]

i have before!

[austere warren]

If anything, I usually see goofy zealots that haven't quite yet learned how to manage overextending or voc veterans that just burn it on cool down so if its ever actually needed then it's just not there.

[prime elk]

it was about a year and a half ago

(i was the smyker)

[steel flame]

4.5-6% Critical Chance for each expended round in your weapon (resets on reload).

[patent mango]

revolver doesnt proc it

[austere warren]

Yesterday for me. Played with the psyker for like two more missions iirc. Genuinely a fun person to randomly run into.

They actually had better spatial awareness than most people I've seen running smite.

[zealous wing]

yeah... next time you suipsyker with me, let me be the frontliner goofball

[steel flame]

God I wish I wasnt at work so I could cook this

What talents apply to staff melee

[strong gulch]

I completely forgot about CW. 😭

[patent mango]

i'd have to get loadout config to really test

idk if thats updated

[steel flame]

Dam you

I'm gonna spend all night on this stupid shit

[solid pond]

was my last as of 30s ago

[steel flame]

Yup those numbers track with the build

[strong gulch]

The 10% fast melee does for some reason. I assume warp splitting does.

[steel flame]

Do any blessing affect staff melee?

[zealous wing]

now turn off invisibility

im curious

[patent mango]

ok

[strong gulch]

Charged strikes is actually warp now, so MM is an option. Keep perfect timing up too.

[patent mango]

just lemme spawn 100 again

[steel flame]

Fuck this is gonna be my bayonet vet psychosis all over again

[strong gulch]

creature spawner

[zealous wing]

i'd have to switch characters, make a build, get the weapons, thats too much effort when someone else is right there

[summer prairie]

the fgs special's swing (not the warp slice) has infinite cleave and it's a heavy so that works with charged strike too

[steel flame]

I miss brutal momentum hellbore bayonet having 12 second boss kills

[summer prairie]

but too slow

[patent mango]

oh god

[steel flame]

So much

[patent mango]

200 poxwalkers start to lag my game

[zealous wing]

f

[austere warren]

I missed out on it. Never cared for bayonet gameplay but it looked like people enjoyed themselves a lot.

[strong gulch]

Oh "now" not "how"

sry

[steel flame]

I knew it worked on the special hit since it's an actual melee attack but it also attaches to the slash projectile on heavy too?

[zealous wing]

we should start grading our PC's by how many trappers firing at once it can take

[austere warren]

I finally decided to just use the helbore passive charge so my enjoyment of the gun went up even more. Fun time.

[solid pond]

nah, how many rituals at once it can handle popping

[patent mango]

1

[ripe obsidian]

@strong gulch @pale prairie
I burned things.

[pale prairie]

The boss DPS being so high is egregious to me lmao

[strong gulch]

Yeah you did. Look at that 4

[ripe obsidian]

They were in my way.

[pale prairie]

Lmao

No Ogryn node yeah?

[patent mango]

cultists if they locked the frick in

[ripe obsidian]

I did have the Ogryn node

[pale prairie]

Niiiice

[ripe obsidian]

My first 4m game. Next goal is 5m.

[solid pond]

shriek?

[summer prairie]

it's all fake damage anyway when it's a purple map

[patent mango]

AH

IT CRASHED

[pale prairie]

What a positive outlook to a stims, garden, armor game

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. I think I used Shriek like 190 times in that mission

[solid pond]

yeah lmao

[solid pond]

I should run shriek instead of bubble

funny damage

[pale prairie]

Agent would have shrieked more

That guy is out of control

[steel flame]

And they call zealot the shouty one ....

[zealous wing]

psyker with inferno: 5 boss kills, 440k boss damage
vet with plasma gun: 1 kill, 144k damage

[ripe obsidian]

This is the build I used. I think JaD is a better node than OwtW, but the random spikes in peril if I touch fire or gas screw with me

[solid pond]

could've been smoke bitch

[zealous wing]

iirc, thats krak

[austere warren]

Has brain burst gotten anything new for itself? Haven't paid attention to it.

[ripe obsidian]

I did 720k to Maulers and killed like 50-60 of them.

[ripe obsidian]

Was Krak

[pale prairie]

Honestly for me it’s just a show of power falcion not as good as power sword

[patent mango]

pfalchio buff wher

[ripe obsidian]

better damage scaling and better KF

[austere warren]

Neat.

Where is it at now with output out of curiosity?

[ripe obsidian]

I was hitting 5k+ damage to bosses with KF on Inferno.

[austere warren]

Neat.

Might give a try at some point. Currently indulging in helbore since my finger isn't getting stressed out after getting that mod for the damn thing. Very fun times since I've been wanting to explore another gun in earnest.

[steel flame]

@patent mango I bet falter on your melee applies to the staff bonk too

[pale prairie]

I was meaning to ask. What enemies CANT it one shot?

[steel flame]

I think that almost lets it floor crushers

[patent mango]

huh

[austere warren]

Not sure what I wanna do on psyker today though. I gotta remake my bubble trees at bare minimum.

[ripe obsidian]

Maulers and Crushers, in my experience

[pale prairie]

So reapers it can?

[ripe obsidian]

Sometimes Reapers

[austere warren]

What's so special about flame staff? It's damn near one of the only staves I see right now. It was already fine before, right?

[ripe obsidian]

It's slightly stronger now

B/c of the new tree

[patent mango]

infinite cleave... 😨

[ripe obsidian]

Also, Havoc has even higher enemy density than before

[patent mango]

-# 😨

[summer prairie]

7350 with empyric shock

[ripe obsidian]

So infinite cleave means you win

[austere warren]

Oh the cleave counts for the fire...huh.

[patent mango]

darktide is awe some

[zealous wing]

i cent believe it

they finally gave arby camo cosmetics

[verbal thistle]

thats similar to my solo scoreboard

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it has no cleave cap, so it just... goes. The part of the code that would be used for cleave is instead used for damage ramping

[austere warren]

That explains what I've been seeing then holy shit

[ripe obsidian]

I do not think I could do it solo.

[steel flame]

Infinite cleave means flame staff infinitely scales with enemy density

[calm lagoon]

Wait so any bonuses too cleave adds bonuses too it's damage ramping or am I just crazy

[austere warren]

Yeah, that's pretty sick.

[verbal thistle]

speaking of solo, I've been trying one with psyker

Taxe, trauma, gaze

BB

[idle valve]

i forgot i asked earlier 😔
how would you compare it towards the onehanded blaze force swords? they seem kinda similar aside fgs having the short end of the stick for dodges and better horde clear

[verbal thistle]

god, its dumb that psyker keeps getting buffs and buffs

[austere warren]

It's great. Fun class moment.

[gray juniper]

Tried dayz. Do not recommend

[idle valve]

sounds about right

[patent mango]

greatsword takes more attention than the one ha nded swords

[austere warren]

More sauce for the class that has the most sauce anyway?

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[patent mango]

but if you give it more attention its stronger

[zealous wing]

YOU

[ripe obsidian]

It's something weird with flamers and inferno stick. Rather than using the targets table to modify damage based on the target hit in a cleave, it uses the table to tick damage upward if an enemy is hit more than once in a single RMB. I don't fully understand it.

[steel flame]

Less cleave, more mobility, no ranged option, better block efficiency and peril resistance

[gray juniper]

You what?

[zealous wing]

i passed the halfway point

[idle valve]

congrats

[marble crater]

Pretty good for 1 week

[gray juniper]

I figured you would

[verbal thistle]

reminded me to check mine

[ripe obsidian]

Deimos Heavy 2 knocks crushers over if you hit their head. It's quite funny.

[calm lagoon]

Ok so, if it has more cleave and it hits an enemy more than once with that cleave it boosts tick damage

[patent mango]

holy frick is that the pale king

[calm lagoon]

Therefore boosting cleave on flame staff is utter bullshit

[calm lagoon]

I love my son, John hollow knight

[ripe obsidian]

It has unlimited cleave

[austere warren]

Do people not fuck with illsi no more?

Hardly see it.

[patent mango]

illisi fell off

[calm lagoon]

If it has a cleave bonus I mean

[steel flame]

Also The force swords are also more specialized, illi for horde, diemos for armor, obscurus for lack luster please no one middle ground, while fgs can do everything at once

[zealous wing]

just over 6x as many kills as me

[verbal thistle]

just a little

[patent mango]

force gs really jujst wants to be a primary weapon

[austere warren]

Actually. Not hardly. I can't say that I've seen an illsi since this patch dropped.

Is it just not capable at higher levels anymore?

[patent mango]

it probably can do stuff but like hordees matter less and less nowadays

[idle valve]

hell yeah. i was running deimos for a bit and i liked the stagger it has and the mobilit, like a skittering rat, but i can't stop thinking of fgs
i think it's meant to be 😂

[ripe obsidian]

Sorry, let me explain differently. Inferno doesn't account for cleave at all. But the place in the code that normally would be used for cleaving enemies is instead used for damage ramping, because ???. So the first tick of damage does like base 15, but the 7th does like base 100. So holding RMB on an enemy longer does more damage. It's just very confusing to me how they coded it.

[idle valve]

even though i can trauma staff hordes, it feels weird not having a melee weapon that could deal with elites and horde

[patent mango]

i dont even like deimos h1 stagger cause it pushes crushers into the back of the horde and now i cant kill the first one i just hit

[calm lagoon]

Ohh ok I 100% gotta change some builds then 😭

[zealous wing]

cooking them alive?

[austere warren]

I mean, they took a big ass sword on top of a sword slash option with great feedback.

Sometimes shit is just too cool to put down.

[zealous wing]

i cant imagine fried heretic smells very pleasant, i've gotta be honest

[idle valve]

it felt safe to do so, but the knockback does become a pain. even if you're alone, the angle of the overhead swing (i assume single target is chain heavies) usually is a bodyshot

[steel flame]

The more armor get increased the less you will see illi. It does horde clear really really well but does not have nearly enough hitmas cleave to make up for being ass vs carapace. So fgs and other options just win out. Illi hasn't gotten worse, fatsharks enemy pool has

[austere warren]

40k just look like everything stinks tbh.

[patent mango]

its nurgle everything does stink

[calm lagoon]

Fulgrim is the least stinky guy in fiction

[austere warren]

I mean even outside of that.

[zealous wing]

yeah but also fried

[jovial juniper]

It's plenty capable at higher diffs

[patent mango]

would that smell worse or better

[modest perch]

ngl i thought itd be higher bro

[jovial juniper]

Superiority got buffed

77% strength illisi

[austere warren]

Yeah...cooked rotting flesh is.

[jovial juniper]

Is criminal

[austere warren]

Not pleasant.

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/473a8e97ee69ae3603a3333402b72255f7a036ff/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L605

This is the relevant code. If you look, you're see that attack goes up with each iteration, which is abnormal. Usually, that's each subsequent target hit. So the first attack is the first enemy, second is the second, etc. It goes down, usually, as you cleave, until you hit default. But here, it goes up.

[zealous wing]

so youve got diseased, decaying flesh, literal zombies........... i feel like the smell would be worse

[modest perch]

now i gotta get that mod out of curiosity

[calm lagoon]

I think the ultramarines smell like blueberries

[zealous wing]

the heat would make the smell stronger thats for sure

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/473a8e97ee69ae3603a3333402b72255f7a036ff/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L839

This is a more normal cleave pattern

[patent mango]

ultramarines smell like hype moments and aura

[austere warren]

Considering what some of these things got going on, it'd probably be extremely noxious so all around awful.

[steel flame]

It's all fine till a crusher hordegets in your face and you hear nothing but ping

[modest perch]

ultramarine hype moments are pg13 at best

[austere warren]

That's the kind of shit that makes most people vomit.

[patent mango]

their hype moments are diluted the emperor is not proud

[austere warren]

It'd be suffocating

[jovial juniper]

Wouldn't happen

[verbal thistle]

its around 1000 hours for 1mil kills

[calm lagoon]

Ok no wonder it's OP

[verbal thistle]

I have 3500 hours

and I have around 3.5 mil kills

[modest perch]

total 🤓 🤓 nomemesingeneral chapter

[jovial juniper]

Illisi can hit for more than 10% of a crushers hp

[calm lagoon]

Dark angels are the hype moments and aura ultramarines wishes they had

[jovial juniper]

You ain't going to hear "Ogryn too strong"

[austere warren]

I assume just about every space marine smells like whatever they recently fought so it's just not a pleasant time either way.

[zealous wing]

so i'm behind, but i've also not been doing h40's

im slightly over 1k hours

[steel flame]

If illi special just ignored hitmass instead of just adding cleave I can see it competing with fgs

[zealous wing]

but i do also sit in menus a lot recently

[patent mango]

maybe if illisi moveset wasnt the exact same attack 6 times it'd be good

[steel flame]

That too

[patent mango]

ohh look at this new attack its a horizontal the next one a horizontal how daring

[austere warren]

What about the other sword uh

Not deimo

[steel flame]

Just take obscurus bro

[modest perch]

yea i kinda figured that from when i was under a mil way back when. but its early n at first glance i thought urs said 32M n i was like omg

[calm lagoon]

Imperial fists smell of those things you tie too car rear mirrors

[patent mango]

obscurus is gods silliest blade

it jsut does stuff

[calm lagoon]

And with the amount of cloth dark angels wear they 100% have too keep clean so it doesn't get ruined

[steel flame]

Most random ass attack pattern of all time

[modest perch]

so rn im probably around 2.4-2.6M

[patent mango]

you cna just tell obscurus is pre pickaxe

[austere warren]

Car trees?

[modest perch]

i bet minotaurs smell like bbq ribs

[calm lagoon]

Yeah those ones

[modest perch]

air fresheners

[austere warren]

Nah it's car trees. Well the brand is or whatever.

[steel flame]

They smell like lamenter space marine tears

[ripe obsidian]

Infinite cleave is the big thing. Especially when H40 enemies have 270% hitmass.

To put that in perspective, let's say a poxwalker has 1 base hitmass. Not sure if that's accurate, but it's an easy number. Voidstrike RMB has 10 base cleave, which means it would cleave through 10 Poxwalkers and stop, as it has nothing left. 10.1 would cleave 10 and hit an 11th. (I am pretty sure 10 stops on the 10th, but not positive.)

So you increase a poxwalker to 2.7 hitmass from 1, starting at H35. That means the Voidstrike projectile can cleave... 3 poxwalkers and stops on the 4th. Which is a massive decrease in potential, especially for a 1.66 second base RMB charge time.

Meanwhile Inferno just burns it all the same, regardless of hitmass.

[patent mango]

sure love havoc having a modifier that inf cleave just completely ignores

by that point they just want a meta

[calm lagoon]

I feel like for mixed hordes it would be valuable

[modest perch]

remember when they almost doubled crusher health n said they wouldnt spawn as much ?

[zealous wing]

dont worry it's made up for by all the smykers caught off guard by purple+red

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/maury-well-now-what-do-we-have-gif-7993540099891454851

[ripe obsidian]

Infinite cleave also cleaves through Carapace, which most things do not.

[patent jacinth]

Depends on the infinite cleave

manstopper will get stopped

[modest perch]

so its not infinite

like

by definition

[patent jacinth]

Its infinite

It just obeys cara hardstop

[calm lagoon]

Darktide requires the same like, type of knowledge you need too be interested in power scaling

Like, we're defining different types of infinity

[steel flame]

That and disabling cc modifiers. Thanks fatshark for turning off 3/4 of psykers kit at random, sure love all my cc abilities that now do fuck all, time for more flame staff bubble

[modest perch]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means-gif-9201569

[austere warren]

Sorta. I'd say darktide excel chart perverts actually have a clue about how the thing they like works more objectively on average.

Lel

[patent jacinth]

It hits the ingame cap for enemies that a projectile can hit

Which is 128 of anything

I tested this on plague ogryns and it works

[modest perch]

or like 1 of something

[steel flame]

Fine, let's slap effectively infinite in there? Happy?

[calm lagoon]

The exact same language used too power scale JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is being used too describe why the fire staff in the Warhammer game is good

[austere warren]

Power scale discourse is more about who can represent their agenda as the most legitimate, not that it is the most legitimate.

Have you seen the capes people have put on in power scaling arguments?

[calm lagoon]

Can we all just start pretending that chainsword got buffed too much and create entirely illogical and false information too prove it

[austere warren]

Oh.

[calm lagoon]

The effective finesse of chainsword while activate is more than max perk dueling sword 100%

[calm lagoon]

Don't believe me? Search up "gay porn" On your family computer

[austere warren]

Cadia chainsword

[steel flame]

That reminds me, people hate flame staff sienna for the same reason people decided to hate smite psyker, and yet Dt flame staff gets off Scott free. Life ain't fair man

[patent mango]

it doesnt

inferno needs a rework

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[calm lagoon]

Inferno needs 8 buffs too even catch up too chainsword finesse while using it's special attack wdym

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-salt-powerpuff-powerpuff-salty-powerpuff-girls-gif-25469224

It's just this ^

Selective shit is selective shit

[patent jacinth]

Doesn't sienna flame staff just suck

Compared to the other choices

[austere warren]

Idr

I used uh

Coruscation and I wanna say

[patent mango]

constant inf cleave weapons are just so goofy

[austere warren]

Fireball?

[steel flame]

No it actively fucks over the team cause it kills the horde too hard and no one can generate temp hp

[austere warren]

I'm not counting necromancer stuff here yet.

There was fireball, circle, Flamethrower, the beam thing and something else.

[calm lagoon]

Guys I can't believe dagger Is the worst weapon in darktide

[zealous wing]

no

yall

im sobbing

i was so close and i didnt even know

[austere warren]

That happened to me last night after burning a couple million on rerolls for a plasma gun.

Got the bis roll too...but switch stats.

[zealous wing]

i'd just give up, honestly

[steel flame]

Oh yeah I cursed you with an always be one short on penances hex while you weren't lookinf

[zealous wing]

wait for a shop rotation

[austere warren]

I am. Fuck that casino

[ripe obsidian]

I was talking about Inferno in this case. I forgot manstopper existed

[austere warren]

I learn my lesson with gambling every time...which is why I keep coming back to gamble at brunt's armory.

Because that makes sense. 🙂

[verbal thistle]

what is manstoppers limit?

100hitmass?

[patent jacinth]

128 targets

[verbal thistle]

or is it really infinite

ahhh

kk

128 enemies or hitmass?

[patent jacinth]

It hits the game's cap for stuff you can hit

[jovial juniper]

128 is basically infinite

[patent jacinth]

enemies

[jovial juniper]

💀

[austere warren]

Could you imagine an armory wishlist notification mod?

Like it just goes off when you get something you want in rotation with the exact stats you're looking for?

Oh god remember the old crafting system?

[zealous wing]

the shop does have a website, now, right?

[austere warren]

Like a community driven watchdog site?

[zealous wing]

so like, you can check your phone periodically or something for something mega specific

idk details, just mentions tbh

[austere warren]

I guess I never considered looking that up.

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/473a8e97ee69ae3603a3333402b72255f7a036ff/scripts/utilities/attack/damage_profile.lua#L70

This is the relevant code.

[modest perch]

i would prefer not to

[ripe obsidian]

I have no idea what math.huge actually means, but 128 sounds right to me

[verbal thistle]

its huge

[zealous wing]

duh

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/casinos-are-good-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-gambling-place-is-good-gif-26399938

[zealous wing]

some of the language they use in the code had me rolling when i was hunting for the CW code

[austere warren]

Just have a seat and roll some dice

[modest perch]

nah i quit that

[zealous wing]

nothing has beaten BB being called smite, though, i think

that ive seen yet

[austere warren]

Aw, got your perfect stat spread but oh no!! You don't have the blessings awwwwwww

That shit

[modest perch]

sucked

[austere warren]

Legit got me to drop the game for a bit. I had what I actually wanted but grinding for other things was just hellish

I think I peeked my head in for months until unlocked and unloaded dropped so my goofy seniority for this game got instantly rewarded with the mastery system. Imagine it might be somewhat of a slog for players with fully fresh arsenals but oh well I guess.

[zealous wing]

its honestly not a huge pain to get masteries done, once you get rolling

[austere warren]

Way way better than that bullshit from the beginning. Big yikes.

[zealous wing]

find a class you like, weapons you like, get them set, then grind resources, buy a fuckton from brunt, upgrade them from grey to green, sacrifice, repeat when able

[austere warren]

At least you can like steroid your masteries yk? And they sort of pay for themselves with permanence NOT gained by sacrificing what you actually can use.

The more masteries you earn and max out, the easier it is to just explore entire families of weapons.

[modest perch]

ngl id get vermintide again if it had our item system

i just dont have it in me to do mobile gacha game bs another time

[austere warren]

I get people's reasonable gripes with it. I awkwardly just had extremely good luck and got most of what I wanted early I to me finally getting red item rolls.

It was one of the luckiest experiences in a game with drops I ever had so I just worked with that and had a health stockpile of essence because I only really played like two characters after getting everyone some solid builds. Still enjoy just about every class and loadout possibility but I didn't have to struggle like some

[patent mango]

insane how we can actually say this nowadays past unlocked and unloaded

[austere warren]

I would've preferred the vt2 system over darktide's debut honestly. At the very very least, one could just get access to stable flexible drops because you just got rewarded nicely for picking up books and all.

[steel flame]

Fuck the old dt system

[ripe obsidian]

Darktide's previous crafting system was so bad it had to be intentional. Some MBA saying that bad crafting increased engagement

[austere warren]

I already crawled out of the Korean FTP MMORPG mines. I was not fucking with that at all and you're correct on the effects it had.

[zealous wing]

probably same person had the idea for havoc derank

specifically how painful it is now

[austere warren]

Engagement modeling is always going to play a role in how these kinds of things work but there's definitely ways to do it that aren't so antagonistic to any player's time.

[ripe obsidian]

I quit Runescape and Elder Scrolls Online both because I couldn't be assed to spend an hour+ a day doing dailies.

[austere warren]

Finishing a mission to maybe get a weapon that maybe has the blessing you want over like some bundles of bullshit that makes stockpiling blessings would've made way more sense if they wanted to do that

It feels like something that the devs wouldn't have a say in. I got no proof so eh

Pure speculation

[zealous wing]

all they have to do to make it actually worth doing is just add aquilas to the boxes. like, 5 per rank, even. thats 200 for an h40 weekly, not much, but its fuckin SOMETHING people might use

as it stands, the only incentive for doing h40s, is the game itself

the resources are entirely unnecessary by that point

[patent mango]

havoc has like

at least 4 things that heavily decentivize you to actually play it

is dececntivize a word i dont know

[zealous wing]

i feel like there is a word similar to that, if not that, but, idk ive been awake like 20hours, english brain is struggling

[austere warren]

But I cannot stand games where players are actually encouraged to destroy their inventories just to do basic crafting.

That's like certain kmmorpgs where like, no bullshit, your weapon enchantment has a wheel of possibilities. The most common are: upgrade of +1/whatever; nothing; ACTUAL STAT DEMOTION; or uh...just flat out destroying the item.

Guess what though? Can cash shop for an upgrade scroll to guarantee upgrades instead of an ever increasing rng

[zealous wing]

discourage is close enough ?

[austere warren]

Wanna get materials for it? Ah gotta grind some other stuff to get some special item that let's you enter a special kind of dungeon instance to farm and blah blah blah

[gray juniper]

Yea you’d think dayz would be some kind of complex survival game but it’s a hopelessly long ffa battle royal with extra steps

[austere warren]

I'd rather just go out on a binge weekend clubbing. At least I'll actually have fun

[gray juniper]

Disincentivize

[patent mango]

yippie

[austere warren]

I don't do havoc yet because I just don't wanna spend the time of waiting for a lobby to get staffed with people I don't have any team chemistry with in effectively ranked raid missions.

And friends returning to darktide got lots of rust/aren't ready for some of the harder content in the game so I'm taking my sweet time with it.

[zealous wing]

my ogryn now has basic drip, whenever i decide to get him to level 30

[gray juniper]

The wait time is pretty long and when people are usually online for it I’m doing something else that’s more important for me typically

[austere warren]

If havoc wasn't exactly something you could get demoted from I'd probably try queuing for it solo. Mfkers get extremely weird when pve games introduce ladder systems.

[patent mango]

lets KILL havoc

[austere warren]

How long is it really? Are things like weekends peak traffic?

[patent mango]

i hate derank I hate crashing i HATE party finder

then lets add gambling with a slot machine

[gray juniper]

Weekends are usually quick but this also brings out the worst randoms to match with

[austere warren]

Look up cloverpit

Neat game.

[patent mango]

i did

friend streamed it lmao

i think northernlion was playing it?

[austere warren]

It's time to spin some fucking slots then baybee

[gray juniper]

I play other peoples to levels I’ve beaten before

So basically up to 31

[austere warren]

https://youtu.be/MfpFNRO_hGY?si=v9WYaTbCPHAOUu2F

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-goku-rule-goku-rule-dbz-gif-5344418390274870437

[gray juniper]

What I really don’t like about darktide is having a separate controller scheme for it and every other game is the same

[modest perch]

based understander

[patent mango]

in darktide i bound jump to C

[royal totem]

Deincentivize is a word

[austere warren]

Yeah I can see that. I usually got hella patience and don't mind the challenge of just communicating with strangers to get something done together, notwithstanding actual assholes. But i really don't got the patience for ladder system loss aversion. It's too much for me with how some people can act over that kind of thing. It's just really weird and annoying.

[patent mango]

fatshark keeps trying to add these engagement slop mechanics

and none work

its hilarious

[steel flame]

Oh they were almost 100% supposed to monetize it. If they hadn't fumbled the bag so hard on launch I almost guarantee we would be paying for better roles. Same thing with there being no hub hotkeys on launch so you ALWAYS had to walk past the cash shop to get to brunt's to check store refresh

90% percent of the fucked shit in dark tide was meant to be groundwork to monotize fixes

[patent mango]

i doubt we'd pay it sjust engagement slop

[steel flame]

I dunno bout that , look at the people with the most investment in fs on launch

[gray juniper]

I hardly get people that will want to use mic which is annoying. Yea I’m going public but imo it’s no excuse

[proper osprey]

@static vessel @digital onyx https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer

[lethal folio]

Nah, tide games just consistently have poor item crafting mechanics for no good reason.

[austere warren]

I wouldn't say it's entirely bad but maybe just incompatible in a game like darktide. Party finders genuinely are a pretty good choice for people organizing runs for basically raid tier content because that lets people declare expectations and goals, enforce reasonable boundaries when necessary (like say an item level thing. Not every one got time to help with catch-up), and foster cooperation with the expectation of difficulty challenges.

I just don't really think that works in a horde shooter where people are already funneled towards Log in -> Quick Play is gonna make it easier for some to wanna try the ball buster difficulties with a ladder attached to it for an extra sense of stakes.

[patent mango]

nah old crafting woulda been terrible in any game

derank is also terrible

[austere warren]

? I'm just talking about havoc squad setups.

[patent mango]

idk im talking in general

[austere warren]

Mm.

[patent mango]

god havoc seasonal derank is also awful

"ohhh reject you have to derank to 30" i am tossing dukane into a meatgrinder tossing her into a meatgrinder

[austere warren]

I don't care for the derank personally. Haven't dealt with the strain of it but eh, I don't really see the point. If you're getting to a place as a player in this game where folks already settle themselves based in difficulty alone then just let em stay where they are ig.

You can get carried there sure which isn't the worst thing since well

If you wanna hang in havoc40 that badly, improving over time is just gonna happen on its own.

If havoc 40 turns into a walk in the park for you then yk, fine. You played it out to get to that point so chill there is where my head is at.

[patent mango]

climbing to 40 just takes liek a day