psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Alright stims with rotten armor sounds ass

[random swallow]

When does havoc get hard? Im only at 15

[wraith sphinx]

21

[long saddle]

21 and then 31

[random swallow]

Kk I'll stop at 20 to grind more meta appropriate gear then

[strong gulch]

Here, about 9 hours ago.

[pale prairie]

I was not here to flame

[wraith sphinx]

Tanner stan came in here and ranted about kf being bad for 3 hours

[pale prairie]

This is why we need shifts

[wraith sphinx]

worringly unemployed behavior

you didn't miss out

[long saddle]

I was in it even

[pale prairie]

Must have died to a DH

[long saddle]

the KF rant was because of me

[white sky]

Idk who tanner is and at this point I'm scared to ask

[long saddle]

before that it was a SB rant

[pale prairie]

Well…..was it what you were wearing? I mean talenting?

[long saddle]

yes it was

[wraith sphinx]

bad take and misinformation peddler that is also banned from this discord afaik

[strong gulch]

Before that they kept arguing that SB caps for purg / inferno changed in the recent update so you don't need shirek anymore.

[long saddle]

I used the slutty KF

and I liked it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-omg-so-hot-gif-19803505

[white sky]

So, a youtuber?

[dusk timber]

the what

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah lol

[white sky]

Thank you lol

[pale prairie]

SB is too OP?

[eager token]

#1 tanner lindberg fan here

[wraith sphinx]

from what my friend told me one of their amazing pro gamer takes was that confirmed kill is a shit talent on vet

(this was pre patch)

[white sky]

I saw a vet build that someone toted as the tanner braindead vet build once and it felt bad

[deft stump]

A very controversial creature who bullies others (Old CMs) and has somewhat shit takes as well. Guy is also hard carried all the time.

[pale prairie]

Imagine if they nerfed it by making it MORE random on the damage

[white sky]

Fwiw its also my least favorite vet toughness regen talent

Its not bad

But I prefer ET

[royal totem]

i mean you no offense but ask how do you know he gets hard carried? 😮 have you played with him?

[wraith sphinx]

I like taking out for blood and ck together myself

[pale prairie]

Somewhat?

[marble crater]

Stop, a few days ago I almost died because EK targeted the enemies right behind me instead of the crusher a few meters in front of me, twice!

[wraith sphinx]

also since discord is spyware I got a more recent tanner video recommended on my youtube homepage and it was about calling the glider class in mycopunk badly balanced

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[wraith sphinx]

shit take factory

[pale prairie]

Fucking lightning staff. I have had that happen a Couple times

[deft stump]

If you watched him play, you realise it's his friends carrying his High havocs.

[pale prairie]

Ah he would stream/post gameplay video

[royal totem]

ok fair enouogh. i've never watched him play

[deft stump]

Well, is more mostly. But you get the idea.

[pale prairie]

Yeah bait is bait

[royal totem]

next we're gonna have a Mr. E stan come in here and tell us about how good smyker is >.<

[dusk timber]

anyone who is playing with Karien is by definition being carried

[white sky]

That dude is my mortal enemy rn

I'm blaming the excess of smykers I see on him

[royal totem]

oh, so if i just invite karien to a game i'll win!

[wraith sphinx]

lol mr e

[deft stump]

I do nawt carry! I just have a tryhard side that wants to win... and it will try...

[random swallow]

Which keystone do y'all like on a scriers gaze great sword build? Disrupt destiny or warp siphon?

[dusk timber]

so you carry

[wraith sphinx]

the only bits I saw from him were the video where he used reshade to make lights out missions bright and where he said gun psykering isn't really viable as he showcased a shield bubble ep build

[deft stump]

Not healthy for my heart and mind though.

[deft stump]

No.

[royal totem]

i haven't forgiven myself for failing to clutch last night 🙁

[white sky]

Me at 12 setting DayZ gamma high at night time

[dusk timber]

yes

[deft stump]

I don't. I slack untill I can't.

[dusk timber]

so you carry

[white sky]

Ill be the first person to say I hated gunker for awhile but not viable is a take

[deft stump]

No.

[royal totem]

but everybody says so 🙁

[wraith sphinx]

I loved gunker and played it religiously since I started playing psyker

which was several weeks after the unlocked&loaded update

[white sky]

I played psyker for the space magic, yk?

[wraith sphinx]

I play it for both

[white sky]

I only picked up gun cause it works well with FGS

[wraith sphinx]

magitech and augmenting mundane stuff with magic like that is awesome

[random swallow]

Which keystone do y'all think on a scriers gaze great sword build? Disrupt destiny or warp siphon?

[wraith sphinx]

disrupt destiny always

[deft stump]

Because they think it's funny.

[random swallow]

That's what I've been running, but my friend told me warp siphon was solid too. Reading it makes it sound mid in comparison. Ty for the answer

[dusk timber]

because its true!!

[wraith sphinx]

tell your friend to reread keystone descriptions lol

[random swallow]

He mains ogryn shield, idk how well he can read

[wraith sphinx]

that's a very fair point

the thing with warp syphon is that it works best in a build where you're sort of the team anchor, aka inferno bubble builds and similar

[bright summit]

ws is good on staff Scriers DDs is good for both

Ws Scriers is for when you want to play Scriers but not think

[pale prairie]

DD I like on FGS melee cause going warp siphon is expensive point wise

[royal totem]

forgot what warp siphon is

[pale prairie]

Left side

[wraith sphinx]

as a gun psyker/melee psyker (fgs) you will usually be out of coherency a lot and not have as many opportunities to rack up soulfire kills outside lucky PC chain procs. also WS loses all charges on gazing

[pale prairie]

Cooldown damage on elite kill stacks

[royal totem]

ah i see

[pale prairie]

And we are always gazing am I right?

[random swallow]

Yeah the damage stacks seem nice but I could care less about cool down on a sg melee build

[wraith sphinx]

[pale prairie]

Did you notice a significant gameplay boost with movement over warp unbound? Or is it a comfort pick?

[bright summit]

IFR ignores coherency

[wraith sphinx]

not only does ws give you slightly less max potential damage, it is also incredibly inconsistent due to aforementioned stack loss on gaze activation. Disrupt destiny also gives you a brief speed bost and toughness replenishment which you will want while going around meleeing

[pale prairie]

I think he is pointing out Psychi leeching doesn’t work great AND you don’t have a lot of soulblaze for IFR

[wraith sphinx]

the talent tree itself already gives you a pretty obvious hint as to what is the bottom right of the tree thematically aligned towards - so it's a no brainer route for meleekering

[bright summit]

True, though if you have PC + souldrinker + wildfire you can still make it work but I'm talking from a staff Scriers pov

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think end of day the sheer amount of SG activation and the point reach makes the few WS stacks you can get just not worth it

[wraith sphinx]

IFR always works well with a staff but the inconsistent damage bonus still makes it not worth pathing to over taking DD

[pale prairie]

Doable but not efficient

[random swallow]

Is it a meme or worthwhile to get the two soulblaze nodes for the melee build, seems divisive on games lantern

[royal totem]

damn. wanted to get to clearance 25 but i don't think i have enough time

[wraith sphinx]

sb for melee sounds like a meme yeah

[pale prairie]

Which ones? Souldrinker can work if you have another inferno psyker in the group to paint targets for you

[wraith sphinx]

I just use lightning speed and bcob

[plucky flax]

I agree that unsanctioned guy is fraud.

Guy has no skills it's all cheat mods.

[pale prairie]

Did you notice a gameplay boost when dropping warp unbound for the movement speed subnode?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-about-you-ronnie-schitts-creek-ep506-not-your-story-gif-20774215

[wraith sphinx]

...I haven't played with warp unbound in a long time 😅

[random swallow]

Well I guess with that information the question changes, is perilous combustion a meme on melee? The damage could be nice on carapace I guess, but I'm also just weedwacking most everything to begin with

[marble crater]

Soulblaze on carapace is a meme

[pale prairie]

Fair enough I have been experimenting on dropping it. I have no problems exploding but I get some decent damage boosts by spamming assail once I hit 100%. Just curious if you find the movement speed worth it

[pale prairie]

PoTs

Lmao

[marble crater]

I'm sure you have no problem with exploding

[plucky flax]

It doesn't do much damage. Helps a bit against super tight shotgunners pack but other than that it's meh for melee build.

[royal totem]

Krieger likes exploding. Got it

[pale prairie]

It’s a meme on melee. It scales directly with number of stacks and without an inferno staff and all the soulblaze talents you aren’t gonna get a whole lot of stacks. EK can get away with it because of LMB spam and high number of shrieks

[plucky flax]

Can run if want (expect like <150k damage total) or save that point for more damage/survival.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-exploding-explosion-gato-gif-12847750658526083614

[random swallow]

Figured thanka for helping guys, I'm out of my depth outside of zealot

[wraith sphinx]

np, enjoy psykering

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-johnson-what-the-ladies-like-i-know-what-the-ladies-like-gif-15782897

[plucky flax]

Psyker in this 3.0 havoc is league above others now.

In 2.0 ogryn and arby could compete.

But the hp buff makes infinite cleave broken.

[bright summit]

You mean Trauma/inferno is leagues above others now

[white sky]

^

[pale prairie]

Brother. Please. Tell. Me. Did. You. Notice. A. Difference. In. Gameplay. With. Warp speed

[white sky]

Inferno staff stays winning tbh

[pale prairie]

Dots are king

[wraith sphinx]

oh shit I'm sorry

Yes the difference is huge

[pale prairie]

It affects dodges yeah?

[bright summit]

I love it when they balance havocs around infinite cleave it's very interactive gameplay when I hold down m1 and don't move and kill 30 enemies

[wraith sphinx]

warp speed on a melee build with a mobile gun like las pistol gives you a temu FOTF

[pale prairie]

Have I got a game for you

[wraith sphinx]

I had not noticed that

[modest perch]

now do it with shredder

[pale prairie]

lol temu

[plucky flax]

Tbh bubble knight is good too. Big buff from this patch.

A lot tankier.

[modest perch]

you will reach speeds never though possible

[pale prairie]

Pffff so 3.5 people are ecstatic

[plucky flax]

Tru

Nobody play that meme build.

[wraith sphinx]

noted for next time I play 🫡

however I now go back to starsector

[modest perch]

[bright summit]

Yeah but I'm not considering it bc it's still a high skill build and needs good comps to shine whereas those 2 staffs slot into any comp and outperforms everything else

[marble crater]

I only play builds from good players

[plucky flax]

Pls no bully

[modest perch]

blaze away + cavalcade. good luck

[pale prairie]

Smart strategy now I just need to find some good players

Maybe I should go to arbites chat

[plucky flax]

Tru I heard unsanctioned is cooking some even more memer build than bubble knight.

[royal totem]

oh no, krieger is becoming an arbites main

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-unstoppable-ybn-cordae-cordae-checkmate-song-i-cannot-be-stopped-gif-26912915

[pale prairie]

“Warning: this build is not safe for public consumption. Please only use if you are unsanctioned psyker”

[royal totem]

what the heck is an unsanctioned psyker >.<

[plucky flax]

Fraud person.

[rigid moss]

One that I'm sure your local inquisitor would like to hear about.

That aside: more unhinged than Bubble Knight sounds fun.

[pale prairie]

Pssst it’s “agentchaos”

That’s his gamer name

[royal totem]

ahhh i see ......

[pale prairie]

You’ll learn it fast cause all of his jokes involve calling his in game name a loser

[plucky flax]

No it's not me. I stole the guy's character name.

Actually it's just coincidence.

[pale prairie]

Guess it passes for EU humor

[plucky flax]

[pale prairie]

Hurhurhurhur

[white sky]

The psykers in game are all unsanctioned cause they didn't receive training at the Scholastia Psykana

A sanctioned psyker is a one that got brought on board the blackships and then not fed to the emperor

[pale prairie]

Sounds like you are trying to build a canon over there

[white sky]

Regrettably I have been into warhammer since late 5e or early 6e

[rigid moss]

On the note of bubble knight: I'm surprised to not see OWTW and Warp Ghost in your gamelantern build, @plucky flax

[pale prairie]

Your poor wallet

[rigid moss]

My initial idea when seeing warp ghost was "this is perfect for bubble knight", so what am I missing?

[white sky]

Aye.

[royal totem]

i could......create another psyker character 🤔

[pale prairie]

He’s bubbling so much he probably doesn’t see much use from OwTW. And warp ghost is for non geniuses

[royal totem]

wait no if i do that i'd be turning into hexis

[plucky flax]

Because kd still gives better blocks than warp ghost. I already have enough toughness gen and it doesn't change the delay until peril starts quelling passively.

So for me it's still easy to keep high peril with just assails weave.

[verbal thistle]

Does anyone have a clip of old perils of the warp damage?

[plucky flax]

You can use it though it's jsut my reasoning.

[verbal thistle]

Wasn't it around 1k?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[rigid moss]

mhhm

I will toy around with it. Thanks for the explanation :)

[paper dust]

chat

https://tenor.com/view/no-maam-what-it-do-baby-fashion-show-catwalk-funny-animals-gif-14403234

[pale prairie]

Guys Reddit says EE isn’t worth it on crit SG Voidstrike build

Vibes are the best build tools

Add it to the build @ripe obsidian no EE

[ripe obsidian]

Hopefully tonight or tomorrow. I got quite sick this past weekend.

I can also add links to your builds in the EK section and/or community builds section. I think it would be better to do both: put people's builds with the relevant weapon/playstyle and compile them all at the bottom.

It is kind of forced unless Channeled Force and Empyric Shock become useful enough to replace it. Which is unlikely. Even EK takes the fire talents and ES

[ripe obsidian]

Invulnerability 30% of the time is overrated

[pale prairie]

He didn’t even grab True aim on a surge blessing

[ripe obsidian]

Ew.

I think I was getting 50-60% crit rate on Surge Voidstrike prior to this patch. Mostly thanks to True Aim

[marble crater]

I also don't take EE on my EK and Trauma build

[pale prairie]

Yeah but you’re built different

You taking Scriers gaze with those?

[marble crater]

Shriek of course, I need the fire for lights out missions

[bright summit]

Ty! I have a lot of different builds for ek feel free to ping me if you want some more other than scrierspam and Scriers lol

[bright summit]

even ek takes fire talents besides es

This gave me an idea

No soulblaze slop

[marble crater]

Takes wildfire

[pale prairie]

It’s to spread the fire you can’t make

[bright summit]

There's no wildfire?

[marble crater]

True, I confused it with one with the warp

[pale prairie]

His eyes have been burned out by EK lightning

[bright summit]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/293?tab=files&file_id=1707

[pale prairie]

Aw man I know it’s better for gameplay but it looks so pretty

[marble crater]

I don't know, we talked about how we can take Psy Aura and Wildfire now, that I think they are right after one another, because they were next to each other in the old tree

[patent mango]

give me a modd to increase fx

[bright summit]

The staff btw

[pale prairie]

Fair

[patent mango]

the warp would burn my eyes so its lore accurate

[pale prairie]

Oh interesting elite damage. Haven’t seen that in a bit

[nocturne dust]

8% is a lot when it's most of your damage, unlike Warp Nexus. People overvalue how much crits help Inferno (and you can crit without warp nexus anyway). That's not to say Warp Nexus isn't good, but it's not a definite improvement over PF even looking solely at personal damage. The longer enemies live, the more PF wins out, and lots of enemies tend to have quite a bit of chonk to them.

30% uptime isn't huge when all you need to do is slide on the ground to get the same effect. It also won't happen for trauma or Voidstrike. WG gives a stupid amount of pretty useless stats, which is very appropriate. Metawise, WG is arse and nowhere near best as a comfort node.

EK Shriek only outperforms it in Auric, Havoc throws so much armor in such densities that trauma just does damage. It's kind of insane sometimes, lol.

[pale prairie]

That’s why my psyker has a blindfold

[marble crater]

I'm also testing elite damage instead of maniac right now for EK, because of the scab HP increase

So far I have no worthwhile results to share other than that it works

[pale prairie]

Like I figured it works. Does it work BETTER

[bright summit]

Perks don't matter that much anyways besides crit chance you can take sprint efficiency on it to be funny

I like how nobody bat an eye to the warp flurry + surge pick

[pale prairie]

Cause it’s a decent pick?

[marble crater]

Maybe? Everything burns and specials can get sniped easier thanks to the 100% KF proc now anyway, so I didn't notice much of a problem there with the missing maniac damage

[pale prairie]

Especially on EK

[bright summit]

Big channeled force value

[pale prairie]

Wait a minute this is not as LMB spam

[pale prairie]

Surge procs don’t trigger extra peril yeah? They are free

[bright summit]

Yes

[tacit stump]

i hope they buff voidstrike and elektrokinetic

[mellow spruce]

I still take EK as a comfort pick. Lock down the big stuff, let the vet enjoy the easy headshots.

[fierce crest]

did they nerf ek? people seem down on it but i cant tell if im gaslighting myself feeling like it does a bit less dps

[marble crater]

They did not

[bright summit]

They buffed it and buffed trauma and inferno more

[marble crater]

It feels like it does less dps because they buffed the HP of all the scab elites

[deft stump]

The breakpoints are janky now basically.

And Strike flat out needs a buff in cast speed.

[bright summit]

Qq the m2

[nocturne dust]

Strike and EK are still good staves

[fierce crest]

would make sense

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[fierce crest]

idk im still liking it

supression monster

free bulwarks

[nocturne dust]

So trauma but worse

[fierce crest]

i mean all the m1s are the same right

ek just gets the crit

[kind jay]

ek is great i prob keep it out for like 98% of the mission

[nocturne dust]

ew

[marble crater]

Other than Inferno, yea

[nocturne dust]

m1 is just a bad gun that hurts your fingers

[fierce crest]

no way :O

[bright summit]

Its a good gun that hurts your fingers

[nocturne dust]

Not good

[fierce crest]

its a good gun that i modded to not hurt my fingers

[nocturne dust]

cheater

[rapid steeple]

I want some unchained-very-close-to-heresy cosmetics for the psyker

[fierce crest]

i love cheating

[nocturne dust]

well... yeah

staves want to be out

[fierce crest]

i just think empyric shock is neat

[nocturne dust]

That's how staves work for the most part, if you have one and don't have it out you're either wielding a FGS or nuking your damage

[nocturne dust]

It's not but okay

[tacit stump]

what about fbs or ds

[nocturne dust]

Channeled Force and Empyric Shock really need to die in a ditch

[nocturne dust]

FBS?

[tacit stump]

force blaze sword

[patent steeple]

what's wrong with ES?

[fierce crest]

force boob sword

boob force sword

[nocturne dust]

DS and FBS do not compare to staff damage at all

The only reason FGS does is because it has infinite cleave on one attack

[tacit stump]

stabs you with deimos

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't do much for any staff build that isn't LMB spam, and they nerfed LMB spam the moment it was anything more than dreadfully subpar

lol

[tacit stump]

makes voidstrike plasma gun 2.0

[nocturne dust]

LMB spam worse than Voidstrike 😭

[patent steeple]

nah, I am using ES to buff the single target damage of EK rmb to kill ogryn enemies quicker...

[tacit stump]

i wish psyker staves hit armor harder beside inferno

[nocturne dust]

or you could just use two RMBs

That's the problem with ES, it eats time you could use to do better damage quicker

[pale prairie]

Noob face sword

[patent steeple]

fair point... I guess I struggle to kill ogryn enemies because idk whether to use carapace + flak or crit chance + flak on it... (I could maybe go unyielding + flak for a tiny bit of extra boss damage, though...?)

[kind jay]

i use cara/unyielding

m1 kills everything else

[plucky flax]

It's OP in auric. Just don't use it against rotten armour elites in havoc.

[patent steeple]

actually, hang on, I already have either deimos or knife for crushers, so I really only need EK to kill ragers, bosses and only sometimes crushers...

[mellow spruce]

I'll keep that in mind... if I ever decide to do havoc.

Really, fuck that game mode, I'd rather actually enjoy the game.

[white sky]

Is auric or damns faster money farming?

Ig damns on average has worse players

[marble crater]

Auric should give more money per mission, because of modifiers

[white sky]

You right you right

[dense flume]

people are less likely to pick up currency though, ime

[white sky]

I figured damns might average to more due to mission speed

[marble crater]

but if you can't actually finish the missions

[white sky]

I dont need uhhh

Mats rn

I just need to roll some things for psyker

[dense flume]

oh literally just dockets?

[white sky]

Aye

[dense flume]

gotcha

[marble crater]

Don't forget dockets on curios

[white sky]

am a poor boy rn

[marble crater]

sad

[white sky]

Bro why does every single voice line play at once on thr mourningstar now

I feel like Seer

[marble crater]

Didn't have that problem yet

[white sky]

Everytime I load in or back out of missions

[marble crater]

Jesus I can't type today...

[white sky]

Actually

Rolling steel outta be ideal for this

[marble crater]

With good teams, yes

[kind jay]

I'm getting this too where I'll like tab out for a min then tab back in and 69 voice lines play all at once

[nocturne dust]

I go flak/unyielding on EK, Crushers get stunlocked anyway so they aren't a huge problem when you can just tell their overheads "no" and Bulwarks are the real problem for the team so best to get them out of the way quickly (and killing bosses quicker is nice)

I'm still experimenting with the new tree, but I think you're still able to get bulwarks down to 3 RMBs with the right setup

[pale prairie]

Do you grab the Ogryn monstrosity node?

[ripe obsidian]

Hateful.

[ripe obsidian]

I'll take whatever you want to share. Not positive how formatting will work, but eventually I would like to have builds from many people linked in the guide. The goal is for my builds to be a sort of loose guideline, and community builds for more details.

[bright summit]

Yeah gotcha

[marble crater]

So much for your power fantasy about being the master over the meta

[plucky flax]

Wouldn't put any unsanctioned build there

[strong gulch]

@pale prairie Here's my questionable gameplay from the staff bonk run. I did cheat sometimes. https://youtu.be/Sz5q2npmCOY

[lethal minnow]

Void blast feels even greater now and Kinetic Flayer feels really good now too

[pale prairie]

No he is going more the Thomas Edison route

[marble crater]

I see

[fierce crest]

what da hell

[nocturne dust]

yes

but iirc you don't need it for bulwarks to get down to 3, you just need perfect timing stacks with +unyielding

[pale prairie]

Lmao oh I thought we were astounded by the chain axe

[fierce crest]

for sale - chain axe - swung once

i wonder what that one swing hit

[pale prairie]

Was this smite or assail?

Feels like an EP build

[fierce crest]

smite

[pale prairie]

Yeah just saw staggered stat

How was it?

[fierce crest]

i ran away from them

hence my ability to actually get melee kills

[pale prairie]

Hey look at that very little smite boss damage

[fierce crest]

ok to be fair

thats not their fault

it was a captain and it chased me into a tiny room

them dealing any damage at all is funny

maybe the smite jumped through the wall for a sec

[royal totem]

......i keep doing badly in uprising.

Which is umm a bit facepalm

[strong gulch]

Maybe tired.

[pale prairie]

Blame ping

[fierce crest]

game is hard

[strong gulch]

Mental exhaustion and brain fog make me die to nothing.

Oh I lose my mine and do something goofy and dead. This was sedition, not even kidding.

[nocturne dust]

Try losing at losing.

[strong gulch]

DeaDVoid with the peak advise.

[royal totem]

Nah its more like...im used to actual hordes. Not just one or two things that randomly come at you at times

[strong gulch]

also valid

[fierce crest]

need constant stimulation

[royal totem]

Uh huh....i think uprising is a bit troll. You like...have just nothing to do so you calmly walk. Then out of nowhere a walker with a club just goes boink. Its not even like 10. Its just 1.

[pale prairie]

Ah the bored so I fell asleep

Classic

Darktide jumpscare game

[royal totem]

Though what is kinda amazing is you can still get 3 or 4 snipers pointing at you if you do event on uprising

And with no stam curios or talents, you just dont have the stam to block captains forever. Your teammates arent paying attention... uprising is just...different.

To be clear, i havent downed or died. Just taken stupid chip damage

[silver echo]

anyone know what the built in boss warp damage resistance is? it's 20% right?

it's such a hidden and not spoken about mechanic idk if it's even still there or was ever actually real

It's not even mentioned in any of the psyker guides I see pinned

[marble crater]

This is the first time I'm hearing about something like that

[silver echo]

I've heard it brought up by numerous people confidently saying it as why you don't want to use magic on bosses but I don't actually see a number

[graceful arch]

There is a resist modifier for ranged on captain shields

That is all I've heard

[silver echo]

yea I know that one same with twins having special shields

[ripe obsidian]

I sit at 45-50% crit rate on Inferno. Rounding up, that means I am applying 1.5 stacks per RMB tick, which means significantly faster ramping. Even on large enemies, it means you can get to 15 stacks that much faster for overstacking with Shriek. The crits also do increase damage on RMB itself. Not sure how accurate this still is, but it's something like 30% more. Which is not massive, given the low base damage, but it increased to ~100 base damage per RMB tick after 7 ticks.

30% or higher uptime means you can spend more time attacking and less time dodging. It is meaningful. And I would say nothing WG gives is useless. The least useful part, arguably, is passive peril loss, but even that is significant when you have to reposition or move. If nothing else, it means you have to spend less time pressing LMB or RMB to keep peril high when moving around. KD is arguably better, definitely is for blocking, but it's now a 2 point cost with 1 as a complete tax.

As for EK vs Rending Trauma, I would need to see numbers to know one way or the other. The Shriek spam is significant.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, and raw damage buffs are very powerful. Nexus is only 20% crit rate if you stay edging.

The inconsistency of it means not really, you want to move as if you don't have it. Passive peril loss is not significant, you're not going down enough even when repositioning. You could also just not keep peril high, like most noobs are going to do anyway. Peril is valuable but easy to acquire in every build except the ones that waste too many points on peril gen reduction.

[silver echo]

man I love warp ghost the lower passive quelling just feels insanely good especially if you're not rocking a staff and double if you're using a gun and bubble

[nocturne dust]

Remember that Nexus' benefit has a .2 multiplier to it at the best of times, since that's the crit rate it adds. 80% of the time it isn't doing anything, sometimes more than 80%

[ornate hamlet]

Nexus changes the crit math from 50/50 (you either crit or you don't) to make you lean more towards the latter, making it 50/50 (you either crit or you don't)

Everything else is an illusion

[plucky flax]

Tru

[teal copper]

Anyone got a goated trauma staff build

Im going nakey reject

No drip just rags

(Side question also: does surge proc on the trauma staff?)

[marble crater]

Only the primary fire

[teal copper]

Thats ass ngl

[marble crater]

This is mine at the moment

[teal copper]

Id prefer one with the bubble

[full storm]

Somebody could share with me a build for shards? is it worth using warp ghost with it?

[marble crater]

Then switch shriek to bubble

[teal copper]

Shards dont really have a major place unless you have shitty ranged capabilities, or youre using gunker

Shitty ranged being inferno

Even then bb can replace shards easily

Malefic momentum works well with shards though, so if you want to put them to use make a scriers build

[full storm]

I just like using shards 😞

[teal copper]

Then make a scrier

[fierce crest]

shards are really nice for supporting ranged damage if you use ammo

[full storm]

Okay will play around with the skill tree and see what I can sacrifice

[fierce crest]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0021e71-e8a2-47e5-b163-6b2000c22b42/axe-me-a-question-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

this is melee focused

and uses revolver so its ranged horde control is limited

so shards help with that

[full storm]

I don't like using guns with this char

[fierce crest]

revo is for killing stuff like dogs and snipers and such

[teal copper]

The crits can change your mind but eh

[fierce crest]

the melee is the focus

shards are like a weaker staff that doesnt take a weapon slot

[radiant frigate]

melee focus and then you put on a caxe

[teal copper]

If this is your build then what blessings do you run on the trauma?

[white sky]

Mm, pretty rocks

[radiant frigate]

"melee psyker" puts on 2 weapons available to all human classes

OK

[teal copper]

Thats

Literally melee psyker

[full storm]

I have rn the elektro staff with shards, DS, and middle keystone with the release ability, tried warp ghost in the other builds but can't see to figure a way to put it in the shards build 🤔

[white sky]

Idk about you but I FGS for meleeker

[fierce crest]

i do also have a fgs build

it doesnt use shards tho

which was what was asked for

[teal copper]

Melee weapon doesnt matter to heavily unless it has no crit synergy

[fierce crest]

heavy sword my nemesis

[radiant frigate]

heavy sword my beloathed

[teal copper]

Heavy sword is needlessly ass

Feels like im using devils claw but at least DC has parry

[fierce crest]

i remember using it when i first started, really enjoying the weightiness of the moveset, and then going up in difficulty and dealing negative damage

[ripe obsidian]

If you are at 0% peril so often that Nexus is doing nothing, I think that is not an issue with the blessing. I am at 3 or 4 stacks of Nexus like 60-70% of the game, per the buff tracker.

[patent mango]

a ds light does more cara dmg than a hsword heavy

[ripe obsidian]

Raw damage is good. I find crit to be more valuable both offensively and defensively on Psyker, largely due to EE.

Warp Ghost saves me from dropping peril probably 3-4 times in high havoc missions. It's very helpful.

[teal copper]

Anyone gotta trauma staff build

I need my fix of boom staff

[ripe obsidian]

I have many builds.

Look in the pins.

[strong gulch]

There is something to be said about how a newer player might play. How they might not edge or even know that they can.

[ripe obsidian]

Trauma section is mostly done. Probably needs tweaking, but alas

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Ghost likely benefits newer players more than more experienced ones.

[royal totem]

hmmmm

[ripe obsidian]

Makes peril management easier

[royal totem]

i've been using a different melee weapon than normal

[strong gulch]

Yeah that was my thinking. Or ways of building that reduce the mental load.

[radiant frigate]

it's mostly just a defense buff

[pale prairie]

Agreed but everytime I think about taking it off the stamina and toughness regen make me stop

[radiant frigate]

+2stam and extra toughness gen

so you can replace stam curio with toughness

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/think-use-your-head-clever-be-wise-gif-8351934706222928794

[ripe obsidian]

It's a very solid defensive node with a nice QoL change, yes. I agree.

[radiant frigate]

think alike

[strong gulch]

But I am also thinking about players not realizing that they don't have to quell from 80 to dang near 0 to keep casting.

[radiant frigate]

and fools seldom differ

[teal copper]

The 'mechanics' pin?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, is in Potato's build pin

1 down from the mechanics bit

[pale prairie]

But bar is red and voices scary

[strong gulch]

so true

I put Build Guide in bold for easier finding

[verbal thistle]

kuli added an enemy guide 3 days ago

man is a machine

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian It might be best for you to put your builds in your pin. People are going to look for a post by you.

Could make a new post, and ask for it to be pinned.

[cedar berry]

hello would someone like to help me do malleus monstronomus penent pls

[pale prairie]

Man six is so famous now

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/superstar-dorky-oh-yeah-gif-4834199

[radiant frigate]

deserved

six should be more famous in fact

so we can get word out about the vile sevenius

[strong gulch]

No one here helps, try the #vox-lfg-lexicanum channels.

[radiant frigate]

(horrid creature by the way)

[ripe obsidian]

I will need to add that to my pin. He is the hero we do not deserve.

[ripe obsidian]

I can do this thing. Keep it in yours as well. More places people can look.

[ripe obsidian]

A whole 12 people know of me. Personal best.

[ripe obsidian]

Wise. The world must be warned of this danger.

[radiant frigate]

amen

[marble crater]

Blazing Spirit, Nexus. Flak and Crit Chance for perks, but I think I will change the crit chance to Maniac now

[ripe obsidian]

A wretched decision. Less crit means less fire, and this is unacceptable.

[marble crater]

It's the same crit chance as before the rework, because of souldrinker now

[ripe obsidian]

But you can have more.

[marble crater]

Or I can have 25% more maniac damage

[ripe obsidian]

Maniacs being 5% more on fire is worth more than any damage increase.

[thorn cedar]

smh nobody considering sprint efficiency

[royal totem]

the malice fails smh

[marble crater]

That doesn't sound right

[teal copper]

Ok so i did some building- question about the obscurus, what blessings to i go for on it to pair with the rending shockwave trauma?

US and BS?

Precog or riposte idk

[strong gulch]

Blazing spirit on melee is always a meme.

[teal copper]

What would be the second pick then? (I sorta expected BS to be the first one)

[strong gulch]

Unyielding is the anchor perk and uncanny strikes is the anchor blessing.

After that it's up to you if you want to go more damage or more defense.

[teal copper]

Honestly i would go damage, i already have the bubble and tdr

Not to mention 9/10 times id have a tauntgryn keeping the chaff away

[marble crater]

I added 25% maniac to Blaze Trauma and nobody can stop me

[teal copper]

I can never see a situation where that would be useful unless 90% of the map is filled with ragers

[marble crater]

Easier time to kill all the specials, hopefully

[teal copper]

Not every special is considered a maniac

Usually just the specials that are especially reckless and dont gaf

Flamers, scab bomber, ragers (they're elites but yk)

[ripe obsidian]

I like Uncanny and Deflector, but I mostly use my melee for repositioning and getting out of bad space. And sometimes hitting crushers that get too close.

[teal copper]

I would use deflector but its hard for me to enjoy unless i have kinetic deflection

Bc most of the time my block breaks before i have the chance to move

[marble crater]

With flak and maniac I cover almost all of them though, so I will test it and just change it again if it doesn't work better

@strong gulch I had to barrel myself, because you weren't there

[strong gulch]

If you want to go more damage, then going cara for the 2nd perk and executor for the end blessing is an option. Going a crit blessing is also an option.

Lean into single target.

[strong gulch]

In THE original barrel room too. 😭

The power of absent friends.

[woeful sigil]

Anyone else have trouble getting a feeling for perfect block on force swords

I don't know if I am ever doing it or not

[teal copper]

uncanny and shred?

Shreds the only real option for obscurus

As far as a crit blessing goes

[marble crater]

Yeah next I will barrel the innocent

[teal copper]

Had a braindead ogryn stubber a barrel on me

I flew into the abyss

Uprising gameplay is not for the weak

[marble crater]

Also, Shriek is super satisfying with the 100% KF proc rate, the pop in the distance

[marble crater]

Rip

[teal copper]

Ill stick to damnation or auric

[marble crater]

Uprising is hard

[pale prairie]

Unlucky for some

[strong gulch]

Shred is good. Unstable like you mentioned before. Both good. If you keep peril up, unstable offers consistency. Of crits offer gambling. Both are good.

Given that rendi VB is not as invested into crits as other builds, going something like Unstable might be better.

[teal copper]

Now i just need a good scriers build

I got one but idk if its optimized fully

[fierce crest]

theres a lot of options

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying you'll be at 0 stacks most of the time, but uptime matters and depending on how you play you can definitely lean towards less stacks.

[fierce crest]

recon las or fgs are the ones i use

[teal copper]

Strictly melee crit focused with the fgs

[fierce crest]

yeah seems good

[nocturne dust]

Notice that you haven't mentioned Warp Ghost in a defensive capacity

The regen is nice, but 100% is 100%, and the passive quelling is whatever. Entirely a comfort thing.

[teal copper]

Just need to know the best perks to take so i dont waste points

I use electrokinetic as an elite melter

And shards to pair with malefic

[thick valve]

Is the only way to keep casting inferno staff at 100% peril is if you take Scriers Gaze?

Just not possible with bubble? Im exploding myself more than I’d like to admit lololol

[ripe obsidian]

I did earlier? +2 stamina for blocking and sprinting, toughness regen for toughness regen, freeing up a curio slot for toughness

[teal copper]

If you keep using the charged attack or spam m1s with inferno without scriers (or shriek,) you will explode

Mind you that scriers can work like shriek in the sense it can save you from going boom

[marble crater]

Void just hates Warp Ghost

[jovial juniper]

Clearly not a pyromancer main

[austere burrow]

Y'all pyromancers don't know true Psyker power

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/air-fryer-clearly-you-dont-own-a-air-fryer-dog-cute-dog-happy-gif-27329378

[austere burrow]

Eletrokinetic is the true power for a psyker

It's so op they will call u heretic

And to be fair they are right

The emperor doesn't give you shocks tzeentch does

[marble crater]

Earlier I had a smyker who rage quit a lights out mission, because he couldn't see anything. The irony

[austere burrow]

Honestly smite should be replaced by something since we already have a staff to do it better

[strong gulch]

The only way for anything to cast at 100% peril and not explode is Warp Unbound from Scrier's Gaze.

As long as you cast (not charge / channel) before 100% peril on inferno, you will be able to cast and not explode. EX: Charging inferno RMB, peril climbs to 97%, you execute the cast before 100%, you will be able to cast for the full duration of the charge and not explode.

If peril is too much to handle. There are different flavors of peril gen mitiation throughout the talent tree.

[teal copper]

Is this build ass orrrr

I cooked it in 5 minutes

[austere burrow]

Embrace exploding

It's ok to explode occasionally and blow one elite

[pale prairie]

trade soul eater for lightning strikes

[strong gulch]

ER not needed for melee and gunker.

[teal copper]

Figured id use it to make the rise and decline of peril slower

Longer uptime for warp rider

And scriers

[strong gulch]

Staying in SG is not always the goal. ER is a 3 point cost. Better served by BCoB of TTS for that role.

Taking some defensive nodes would be better than streching for ER.

Do you know about sliding and quelling?

[teal copper]

Do you mean the act of doing them simulataneously or just doing both

[strong gulch]

Simultaneously.

[teal copper]

I have not done that no

Actually

Nvm i probably have done it unconciously

I abuse the slide mechanic way to much to have not done it atp

[strong gulch]

It is a cornerstone to staff play. Guns can also reload while sliding. Some have staged reloading.

So MiM (mind in motion) has less value if those corner stones are used.

[teal copper]

I mean i usually dont have to quell that often

[strong gulch]

Quell or reload

[teal copper]

I'm concious enough about peril

[strong gulch]

Quelling is part of edging peril.

But the point is MiM is not great.

If it's a comfort pick then cool beans

[teal copper]

Yeah i dont ever take it really

Its not necessary for me

[runic juniper]

If it let you sprint during quell it would be cool

[strong gulch]

You have it picked, that's why I mention it.

[teal copper]

Vermintide trained my dodge timing and awareness way too much to worry about a perk like that

Wha

No i dont

[runic juniper]

no he dont lol

[strong gulch]

LMAO no you don't. I just looked at the wrong tree.

[teal copper]

In all 4 of my builds i have that perk non existent

[strong gulch]

Sorry about that.

[teal copper]

Ur good

Im not too good at making builds but i can play like a monster

[strong gulch]

But Yeah ER on gunker is not great.

[thorn cedar]

MIND IN MOTION MENTIONED

[teal copper]

I darktide on console

[thorn cedar]

WHO IS BASED

[teal copper]

Nobody

[nocturne dust]

Not all weapons need +stam curios and 2 stamina doesn't do much for blocking.

[patent mango]

this is so sad can we talk about warp ghost for 5 hours

[pale prairie]

damn he's got a fucking google news alert

[nocturne dust]

No, I don't hate it. It just isn't as cool as you Warp Ghost simps think.

[thorn cedar]

everything for the agenda

[teal copper]

He set up a program to detect those exact words in that exact order

[patent mango]

psyker would be F tier without warp ghost

[strong gulch]

Having some defensive node from the middle would be better. Lightening speed would be good too.

[royal totem]

god damn. saved by krieger

[pale prairie]

lmao

you had that

[royal totem]

that room is kinda hard for 2 people

imo

[pale prairie]

the arbie walking into the DH hahahaha

[marble crater]

Warp Ghost gave me 21% health, 25% more toughness regen and lets me be lazy, pretty good node

[pale prairie]

hopefully that was a valuable lesson

[royal totem]

that was Choirmaster of Elesh Norn fyi

otherwise i would have let them die

[nocturne dust]

I'm about to make you a warp ghost sibling

[pale prairie]

who?

is this a sibling?

[royal totem]

they're in this discord. was here yesterday

[pale prairie]

ooooooh

[royal totem]

plays psyker and arb i think?

@glass thicket

[pale prairie]

nice

abandoned the strike team

T.T

[royal totem]

i have to go 🙁

[pale prairie]

no probs

[royal totem]

i'll be back later. idk if anybody will be around though

[pale prairie]

have a fun vacation

oh cool

[teal copper]

I have a psyker named "dmifthiccgothmommy" in my friends list

Should i be afraid

[pale prairie]

No they have excellent taste

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065385117398347837/1229281797767168030/RDT_20240414_2003214323084990224985140.gif

[long saddle]

I wonder if my meme CW build is really that much of a meme when I do this with it lol

[teal copper]

Little did you know that it was my psyker.

[long saddle]

granted it's SB on crack too

[pale prairie]

CW?

[long saddle]

crystalline will

[pale prairie]

LMAO

[long saddle]

I have 5 wounds lol

[pale prairie]

That damage should be tracked separately

[teal copper]

Martydom psyker

[pale prairie]

how much corruption did you avoid?

[long saddle]

I think I've lost more corruption from shrieking during overload

because I still take the corruption from it

[pale prairie]

that is such a brutal bug

[long saddle]

but I think I managed to avoid corruption 5 times?

[pale prairie]

hopefully they fix

[long saddle]

one at one wound remaining lol

so it saved me

[pale prairie]

pretty metal honestly

[glass thicket]

And ogryn

[marble crater]

Is it really a bug or people using KF and not getting kills with CW?

[long saddle]

it was event and lights out as well

two ogryn and a vet

[pale prairie]

hmmm interesting proposition

[long saddle]

I changed some on the weaps but this is the build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a002d69d-161d-463c-aa83-b6b1dbafaa44/meme-cw-sb-spam

[pale prairie]

alright time to copy Six's build and then blame him when it doesn't work

[long saddle]

I'm assail so def a bug

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

its the perfect crime

[marble crater]

Some kind of other issue then maybe

[zealous wing]

its specifically shriek/sg, and CW combo

since the overload isnt killing something

so its probably been changed to like, is player over 100% peril? (overload). if yes, check for kill by warp explosion, type elite. if no, corrupt 1 wound.

shriek means no explosion, no kill

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/its-alive-gene-wilder-young-frankenstein-frankensteins-gif-18871682

[marble crater]

Surely people running CW for the explosion don't go and cancel their explosion with shriek or gaze?

Right?

[zealous wing]

its more, if you dont intend to overload, you shriek or SG

[long saddle]

I mean I can't overload all the time and waste my wounds

ye

[pale prairie]

don't want to do it if there's nobody to kill around you

[zealous wing]

but with the bug, theres no point trying to save yourself, might as well explode and kill/damage SOMETHING around you

[marble crater]

Okay and the bug in this scenario is what exactly? That you save yourself and then what happens?

[zealous wing]

you corrupted wound anyway

[long saddle]

it's just muscle memory tho

[marble crater]

Huh

[zealous wing]

if you overload, and SG/shriek, you still get the wound corrupted

thats the bug

[marble crater]

Thought it was that people get a kill and still get corrupted, yeah this is worse

[pale prairie]

I have heard both

Which is just dandy

[zealous wing]

yeah if it was just, elite killed but still corrupt, its just not working, but its... flat out broken

the both is when KF is involved

i tested this

the explosion wouldnt kill the shotgunner, but the KF it triggered did, causing confusion

[marble crater]

I will just keep playing my normal builds

[brazen rampart]

I queue knife psyker
I get burster pvp'd by a martyrdom zeal (again)

The cycle never ends.

[zealous wing]

barrel them back

[brazen rampart]

No he killed me and I left and blocked him.

🚬

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[pale prairie]

How expected

[brazen rampart]

Only reason I can speculate why I got pvp'd was either
A) I'm playing knife psyker
or
B) I told them they don't need max wounds for martyrdom anymore (you get 6 with the base 2, the talent giving 2, and 2 wound curios)

[marble crater]

That's what people get for meme builds

[marble crater]

Imagine how I would play without them

[zealous wing]

probably B, martyr zealots are very ego sensitive

well not all but

the kind who refuse to ever heal, MUST stay on lowest hp possible

the real liabilities

[pale prairie]

Worse???

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

For one, I couldn't barrel myself

[strong gulch]

https://youtu.be/Sz5q2npmCOY

[pale prairie]

Heheheheehe in VT2 it was funny to bandage the zealots cause they hated it

[marble crater]

I WAS THERE WATCHING YOU WHEN YOU TRIED TO BONK A SINGLE ENEMY FOR 2 MINUTES

[pale prairie]

You recovered well. I ate 3 pox bursters yesterday cause I got launched and couldn’t push them far enough away/they were inside each other

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

This motherfucker showing off items and build like it fucking matters

[pale prairie]

Didn’t die. I died to the 4th pox buster later that didn’t get pushed

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

Yes. But charged strikes now. EP charged strikes with MM. I had most blitz damage.

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah, and perfect timing because SG and EK crits.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17459700

EP smite charged Strike

[strong gulch]

Warp splitting and lightening speed.

go staff bonk

[marble crater]

Wait, why is the Agni name familar, did I play with them recently?

[strong gulch]

Probably.

[pale prairie]

They are that kuro guy in chat

[strong gulch]

is Kuro

[pale prairie]

Vet and arbie player who has converted

[marble crater]

Or do I just remember from Hexis screenshots?

[pale prairie]

Probably

They’ve been playing a lot recently

[nocturne dust]

But max wounds 🤤

Gotta have all the wounds or it ain't a real martyr build

[marble crater]

Hexis going carrying again, but when I needed him he let me die to a Mutie and Gunner, I see how it is

[pale prairie]

Yeah

Same here

I died to plasma gunners

He just made pew pew sounds

[teal copper]

Is it just me or is trying to dodge them harder after they added a delay

[marble crater]

Clearly not an Elden Ring player

I read that the delay between the first shot and the follow up shots is different, that might be why

[strong gulch]

If I have unfoggy brains tomorrow, maybe I can carry.

[pale prairie]

Yeah the timing is tougher cause it’s like 1 sec AFTER the sound. But they are weaker and do less damage

[pale prairie]

Oh sounds like havoc

[marble crater]

Plasma Gunners are kind of pushovers now nerf was way too much

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-glover-good-mad-angry-gif-11693108

They should be pushovers as long as they're telegraphed like pushovers

[strong gulch]

event 😭

[pale prairie]

Oh hell yeah those were hard before the hotfix. Curious how they are now

[strong gulch]

It's fine.

A lil spicy, but fine.

[pale prairie]

Mmmm sad

[marble crater]

Easy

[strong gulch]

EK shriek go brrr.

But tbh, I didn't really notice a difference between pre and post hot fix.

[pale prairie]

Something was bugged in the event code cause I had 2 captains and a beat of burgle spawn at the same time with a pack of elites/plasma

I was playing with hexis and kuro and it was gnarly

[royal totem]

@pale prairie were you playing it on Auric? cuz i think i've had something like that on Auric before

[zealous wing]

i did not let you DIE i let you get downed

[zealous wing]

ye we were doing auric

[royal totem]

ah then yeah i've seen some similar bullshit in this event

[zealous wing]

what ive learned, is, it might not be exactly 2 at once (unless twins), but one only SLIGHTLY further in

on 1st assassination mission map, for the event, we had one captain (nontwin) up in the ventilation system, near the medicae, and another right at the bottom of the stairs after it

so any slight psuhing that way caused the 2nd to aggro

and that was only on damnation

[royal totem]

ah fair enouogh

[marble crater]

Yes, you let me down

[strong gulch]

I let hexis die. 🥲

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-good-gewd-star-wars-episode-3-gif-15386400457909814305

[strong gulch]

I think it was in nearly the same spot too.

[random spruce]

I'm actually so fucking pissed that they made some of the stimmed troops immune to cc

[zealous wing]

not much different than the rampage modifier

[strong gulch]

Sounds so scary.

[random spruce]

It's anti psyker racism is what it is

[pale prairie]

For me fart armor plus stims sounds terrible

[zealous wing]

anti-SMYKER*

[strong gulch]

Yeah it does. Too scary

[random spruce]

We already are playing no hit runs every damn game. Don't make it impossible for me to use our BIGGEST tanks tool, that is the cc on all of our staves

[pale prairie]

I think you just are a magnet for bullshit

[zealous wing]

immuninity to CC is nothing new to havoc

[random spruce]

Actually just lost my temper quite a bit for the first time in years at a video game because of two rangers swinging on me in my Havoc mission without a god damn thing I could do with my TRAUMA STADD

[zealous wing]

block?

[pale prairie]

Staves don’t have blocks hexis

[random spruce]

True, but at least final toll gave you 50% time to get one stagger off and maybe kill them first

[zealous wing]

the melee does though

[pale prairie]

He doesn’t play staves

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know I was making a joke about you being a gunker main

[royal totem]

....... you ever considered not bringing trauma staff to cc-immune havoc?

[zealous wing]

when i've done havoc its usually staves, was for high havoc anyway

[random spruce]

You say block but come on, we all know sometimes you're getting ram ranched from both sides and your block doesn't do shit for you

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/impossibru-impossible-gif-15724984

[zealous wing]

kinetic deflection, shriek

[random spruce]

I was unaware of the interaction before that instance

[pale prairie]

Now I need to know why so many gifs of this Japanese man making this face exists

[pale prairie]

Shriek is still CC right?

[zealous wing]

the creeping flames, and the actual vent arent

[royal totem]

yes but also, i use shriek to add a bunch of stacks of flame

and that's not CC

[pale prairie]

I thought block was a 360 around you too

[zealous wing]

vent as in lowering of peril

it is

[pale prairie]

Well yeah I don’t know about that helping unless you have KD

[zealous wing]

hence me saying KD and shriek

[royal totem]

wish somebody would drag me to havoc like 24 or 25

[random spruce]

I WISH I could take shriek. I'll survive. Every player in pugs will die though because they've all been spoiled by our boobles for too long

[pale prairie]

You’ll never forget now

[random spruce]

No I won't lol

[zealous wing]

do what you want, tbh, stop spoiling them

[teal copper]

I was just in a malice match and i was soloing a fucking captain, 2 snipers, 4 plasma gunners, 2 bulwarks and guess what my team was doing

Beating grunts to death

[zealous wing]

we can tolerate more people whining here about psykers not taking bubble. it fuels us

[random spruce]

But then I can't climb 😕 I'm not good enough to clutch/solo high Havoc consistently

[zealous wing]

eugh

[royal totem]

i've gotten into havocs without bubble and it's gone fine

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/beauty-and-the-beast-dance-tale-as-old-as-time-love-belle-gif-15792485

[zealous wing]

honestly, asking somewhere like here or zealot chat might be a good place to find havoc buddies, not LFG, or partyfinder

[teal copper]

Im trying to level up a new psyker i made for fun but these players making it feel like havoc 20

[zealous wing]

[royal totem]

LMAO

[zealous wing]

that they fuckin do

[patent jacinth]

I don't belive this is real
I know malice can't spawn more than 3 elites at any time

[zealous wing]

event has different rules

[patent jacinth]

That was a joke

An elite cap of 3 is like sedition

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-not-its-where-are-gif-18387301

[patent jacinth]

(Rest in peace)

[royal totem]

Krieger has so many memes 😮

[zealous wing]

the event being, "suddenly im leveling the squishiest class and everyone around me is incompetent"

[pale prairie]

I just search fast in the gif option

[random spruce]

Same, but only when I'm not pugging. When my buddies are on we slay. Pugs get rolled every damn time. I really didn't want to be a picky asshole in pugs this season either but I'm beginning to feel quite cruel about my selections

[pale prairie]

Man makes me fondly remember barrel event

What will those psychopaths think of next

[royal totem]

errrr i only pug LOL

[teal copper]

Here i am with a shitty sword and the trauma staff and im out performing against 3 idiots

[royal totem]

i don't have friends to play havoc with

[pale prairie]

NU UH I FOUND YOU IN A PREMADE TODAY

[teal copper]

Neither do i but i reached h40

[pale prairie]

Fucking ninjad my way in

[royal totem]

and i'm tired of letting a havoc 40 player carry me

[teal copper]

Havoc isnt about carrying its about teamwork

[pale prairie]

Man it’s like watching an anime protagonist start their hero’s journey

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-ash-ketchum-i-want-to-be-the-very-best-like-no-one-ever-was-gif-9418824218269499270

[teal copper]

If you dont carry your own weight in havoc you will lose

Countless times

[pale prairie]

Eh this is true to an extent. Seen plenty of havoc forged who clearly were handed the title

[random spruce]

WRONG it's about sensing a message! It's about doing the most unbelievable amount of damage possible and dragging your mouth breathing blunt team mates to victory

[teal copper]

Tell that to the 4man plowing through 5 bosses with no issue

(Im part of that 4man)

[pale prairie]

False hexis and co we all love havoc

[random spruce]

The day fstshark gives me a molten beam staff to pop bosses is the day I no longer need a team to win

[pale prairie]

Pre made? I bet you guys are on voice chat? Probably also coordinate the team composition?

[royal totem]

idk you guys haven't havoc'ed with me

[teal copper]

We werent on vc

[pale prairie]

Well you on?

[teal copper]

Pings and skill

[teal copper]

This is what made our team blast through h40

There was zero talking

[royal totem]

i mean i only pug havoc

[marble crater]

Skill in my psyker chat?

[pale prairie]

That’s cool but again a team that knows each other and can coordinate builds

[teal copper]

They werent my friends

I dont got none to play havoc with

[royal totem]

am not on till later 🙁

[teal copper]

I was going raw in the cheese tornado

[random spruce]

And they're all probably good. If I find 3 good players we win sure.

[pale prairie]

Okay well I don’t know why you are advocating teamwork then lmao. Pugs are fucking random as fuck

[royal totem]

congrats on your h40 and all but i'm going to point out you probably have more hours played in game than me

in this channel i'm one of the players with the least hours lol

[teal copper]

Usually teamwork does it but yes if you pick the wrong people its shit

[royal totem]

nice to see you flexing and all but you're basically flexing on somebody newer than you.

[pale prairie]

Yeah for sure. Sometimes you find really good players and sometimes you find asshats who grief you cause “you should have had bubble”

[random spruce]

? Thats....that's what we're saying. Pugs is a crap shoot. You can try to pick off titles and stuff but it's never guaranteed that you have someone that knows what they're doing

[pale prairie]

It sounded like you were saying Havoc 40 is about having a pre made squad Krieg haha

[teal copper]

H25 was where things got sorta decent if you gatekept the H10's that spam requested

[teal copper]

I never had a premade

[royal totem]

huh i got the impression of "i made h40 with pugs so you can too" which frankly felt rude

[teal copper]

Thats what i did tho

I just didnt give up

[random spruce]

Well yea. But that was how the whole talk started. I've pugged to 40 twice. I didn't want to gate keep and team comp this time and try to relax my way through. That is becoming impossible to do though if I want to actually climb again

[pale prairie]

Eh it’s fine. A real flex is

TALKING ABOUT HOW SOME PEOPLE DID HAVOC 40 RIGHT AFTER THE GUNNER SHIFT AND WHILE USING SG VOIDSTRIKE

Too bad those people don’t exist

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/vaas-definitionofinsanity-farcry3-insanity-gif-4899376

[thorn cedar]

aint shit til u H40 with MiM

[teal copper]

Cant wait to play h40 with 20 plasma gunners

[pale prairie]

Man this used to be primo graphics

[pale prairie]

Be more afraid of pox gas with stims making enemies 100% DR

[teal copper]

Call it insane but im a console player

I thugged that shit out

[pale prairie]

And that’s why I respect you

Try anything enough times

[teal copper]

Me playing arbi:

[royal totem]

yeah but like saying "i did it so you can too" is kinda shit cuz that doesn't account for things like....... i 99% have less hours than they do and such.

[teal copper]

How many hours you got

[royal totem]

anyways, i think this chat is stupid and slightly toxic and i'm leaving for a while

[pale prairie]

Yeah what you really should get from that statement is if you slam your head into havoc hard enough you can eventually get carried OR your skills improve enough to carry

[teal copper]

Nobody was being toxic man

[pale prairie]

Sorry about that. I don’t think that was anyone’s intention

[teal copper]

My gamesense from vt2 carried over into dt

[random spruce]

Don't worry too much, it's totally possible to do. It's just whether or not you're willing to put in the time and effort to do it. You gotta be really self critical of what you need to get better with or do different, and if you want consistent wins you gotta screen the shit outa potential team mates.

[pale prairie]

Read: stubbornness

[teal copper]

Idfk whats going on tbh

[random spruce]

You were a big meanie sibling....

[teal copper]

I didnt do nun

[pale prairie]

I think the chat started feeling kind of macho braggy which is tough to listen to if you think you are bad at the game

[random spruce]

I'm terrible at the game but I come all the time

[pale prairie]

Or being judged for not having had time to get good enough

[pale prairie]

Hmmm

[random spruce]

I just know you're all ontologically evil and I sleep well at night knowing everything you all say is incorrect ☺️

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[teal copper]

My friend is new to the game but we still have fun, hes up for damnation despite not being used to how cruel it is

He knows theres a skill difference but he knows im not being toxic

Idk why anyone else would instantly take me saying i brute forced into h40 as bragging

[proper osprey]

It’s all about the right build and and game knowledge

[pale prairie]

I swear fyre if you drop your axe build again

[proper osprey]

It’ll come with time

[proper osprey]

Tbh I don’t think melee psyker is possible with the stim modifier

[pale prairie]

Damn it

Mind explaining?

[proper osprey]

Damage reduction enemies that can reach 100% and if you get purple they heal

[pale prairie]

I knew this would happen

[proper osprey]

Unless you make a team effort to kill a single enemy it’ll be hard

[pale prairie]

@royal totem hey again really sorry

[pale prairie]

Ooof

[teal copper]

Thats near impossible

[royal totem]

for what? you didn't do anything

[strong gulch]

Are we getting another Hexis?

"I am not sure if I am good enough for difficulties past heresy?"
two weeks later he's carrying auric

[proper osprey]

Thammer zealot

I’ve been forcing myself off of tac axe to learn hammer

Even still it’ll do like 15% hp

[teal copper]

Make everyone cloak zealot with martyrdom and thammer, problem solved

[proper osprey]

I actually hate stealth Marty hammer

Big meme

I’d do ij fury

[teal copper]

But it oneshot daemonhost...

[proper osprey]

I two shot it or one shot it if my buffs are rolling

[teal copper]

The emperors backshot build goes crazy on bosses

Concentration stim to go with it

U gotta work for it stealth man doesnt (most of the time)

[bright summit]

I've team wiped in the room before end event with 3 of my friends to 3 ragers that rolled blue stims and 3 healing ones

I like to call it the Minecraft lucky block modifier

[proper osprey]

Yeah its rough

[teal copper]

Not touching havoc rn

Wait until fs adds havoc 100

[proper osprey]

I haven’t touched it I kinda wanna to experience this

[bright summit]

Granted we play extreme off meta but my point still stands because having 6 enemies teamwipe 4 really coordinated players is fucked

[teal copper]

30 bosses in a cramped hallway

[pale prairie]

Just erring on the side of caution. Internet communication doesn’t lend itself to tone and nuance very well.

[pale prairie]

If Psyker had Thammer would you play it?

[proper osprey]

Psyker has tac axe that’s all I need

I’d like psyker to have the crusher

[sacred crane]

Should I use my spare point on Just a dream or the up to 20% rending based on peril?

[dusk timber]

Not for long if my plans work out

[proper osprey]

It has high finesse

[proper osprey]

What are you building?

[pale prairie]

Do you think a tauntgryn could have helped?

[sacred crane]

Inferno staff build

[proper osprey]

Tbh oggy club puts a ton of debuffs on enemies

[proper osprey]

Just a dream

[bright summit]

We had one but she was on explosive punch melee gauntlet build

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5cc452-6030-42a4-afe1-2b54e0c4337c/terrible-inferno-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what I run

[pale prairie]

Ooof not even taunt could help

[bright summit]

Explosive punch is not a melee Frontliner lmao her build can't Regen toughness if you're trying to kill anything so you just die to unstaggerable healing ragers

[ripe obsidian]

It seems contrarian at this point

[ripe obsidian]

Do not use PotS. It is a bad talent

[sacred crane]

Also what is the dump stat for laspistol?

[sonic schooner]

is it weird that i have like, almost all the Psyker penances but 5 ones, including this one? whats the best way fo doing it?

[strong gulch]

check 3rd pin

[strong gulch]

mobility then stability for general dump

if you don't really hip fire, then stability

[prime elk]

what's wrong with it? haven't kept up with the changes there

[ripe obsidian]

TL;DR: nothing in Psyker's arsenal besides Assail has below 100% ADM on anything besides Carapace. So it's a maximum of +5% damage to everything not a Crusher, but only at 100% peril.

And since it's not even Brittleness, it doesn't help your team

[prime elk]

oof ic

[bright pebble]

I got this one at the end of hab dreyko

With some physical shoving as well

[random spruce]

What's the actual conversion for over pen now? Didn't they make it so brittle/rending gives bonus damage to all armors except armorless?

[static sonnet]

Did mine by accident there. Shrieked them all off lmao. Got a whole hoard

[ripe obsidian]

1/4 of overpen becomes +damage

Does not affect infested or unarmored. Affects maniac, flak, unyielding, carapace afaik

[random spruce]

Multiplicative to your existing? So like 20% overpen on a 1k hit translates to 1250?

[bright pebble]

Even better than me lmao. I got a handful, but it didn’t count right away, so I had to panic shove a couple off manually lmao

And then it counted

[random spruce]

Wait

That was bad math

I mean 1050

[static sonnet]

LOL I can't believe it counted within two seconds

[ripe obsidian]

I am not sure if it's additive or multiplicative. Should be multiplicative