#psyker-class

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wind spruce
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eepy brain rupture build to role play yourself

long wharf
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which IAG is meta right now?

sturdy reef
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vraks iirc

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fastest rof one

marble crater
sturdy reef
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thats the real perils of the warp

austere burrow
vernal temple
marble crater
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At least I was able to reconnect right away KEKW_ogryn

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Vengeance chadgryn

austere burrow
marble crater
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It was very satisfying after the crash KEKW_ogryn

austere burrow
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Hell yeah

vernal temple
ornate hamlet
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car

green finch
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I'm looking into getting into psyker but I don't know if I should remake and level psyker again since the last time I played it was like beta / release so a lot has changed and I felt overwhelmed when I tried it before D:

patent jacinth
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Why did they buff melee psyker

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the people to my left and right were both arbitrators

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And that 300 damage came from like 2 single hits (which I think should've killed me outright)

modest perch
sturdy reef
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who wants h40

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in the middle

long saddle
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this was civi maelstrom with an ogryn and two arbys, FGS goes hard

sturdy reef
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had a DC

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LOL

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any1

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modifiers are free

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:/

long saddle
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yeah sure

sturdy reef
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ask to join on my social code

long saddle
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said it was unsuccessful weird

sturdy reef
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gimme ur code

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I can try inv

long saddle
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2162480199

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same

sturdy reef
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weird

long saddle
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oh well, gl

ornate hamlet
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what’s a good weapon to run as my secondary and using purge staff with soul flame

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i like the knife for speed and mobility

long saddle
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it works

ornate hamlet
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but i want something I swap to to help kill crushers

long saddle
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deflector on a blaze sword is also handy

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DS should work for that

ornate hamlet
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eh

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i hate being a DS sweat

long saddle
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go FGS then

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it's not nimble but it deals with crushers

ornate hamlet
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like yeah i could use DS and just set everything on fire and smack shit with uncanny strike and keep the fire going

zealous wing
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deimos

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its not better than an FGS for crushers, but it does knock them on their ass, and you can get some mobility from it

young cliff
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Question: with the new changes to the class, is there now a Frontline Psyker style? Not a tank as to take damage or meleeker because every Psyker is meleeker but a CC one that can act like a substitute Ogryn

pale matrix
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should I run empathic evasion on a trauma build?

zealous wing
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(frontline psyker)

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:D

young cliff
strong gulch
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I forgor who Thresius is. That's on me. If you're in the chat and just sent me (beetlejuice) an invite, I'm in a group 3/4 rn. I saw you were also in a 3/4. Was gonna invite but didn't want to feck up your team.

zealous wing
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i run gunker, but yeah you can frontline with trauma pretty fairly

young cliff
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How you run your gunker then? Want to expand my options

dusk void
zealous wing
austere burrow
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Frontline Psyker is any Psyker if you don't get hit

zealous wing
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but it helps if you can also feasably take out anything

young cliff
zealous wing
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thats a mindset

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and me

young cliff
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Frontline mindset

austere burrow
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Hell yeah

zealous wing
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i didnt get this penance by spamming voidblast or playing another class, thats for sure

white sky
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Whats the premier choice of melee for Purge Staff Bubble, or does it not even matter cause you purge staff

young cliff
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Crowd control to make a horse advance slow as hell or make an escape route when needed is what a Frontline must do

zealous wing
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something to take out big things if your secondary weapon is CC, something for CC if your secondary is singletarget

young cliff
sturdy reef
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obscurus my beloved

zealous wing
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FGS is the best all rounder

zealous wing
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strong as fuck and clears hordes very fast

white sky
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But I didnt think itd pair well with Fire Staff

young cliff
zealous wing
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also an old clip

white sky
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Does trauma pair well with FGS?

zealous wing
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gotta remake so much propoganda

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FGS can go with everything

white sky
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Yeah alright

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Ill try some stuff out, see what I prefer

young cliff
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It's a tad slow but if everything is on fire you can take your time jogging to the finish line

white sky
zealous wing
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back into auric o7

young cliff
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Plus the warp slash is good cc for you and team

young cliff
white sky
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I also use

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Shield Maul Arb which is uh

dire burrow
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Holy Globuales

white sky
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Man is that thing slow lol

young cliff
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That's why god Emperor created the bistol

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Really neat speed stick for a slow cc heavy weapon like the shield

white sky
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Sorry buddy, that doesn't sound like the Emperor's own Exterminator Shotgun

strong gulch
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How do we turn off the QP into campaign??

white sky
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God I love that thing

young cliff
white sky
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I love shotguns tbh, and it is quite the shotgun

young cliff
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Indeed, I still like me DB shotgun Vet, but the executor is amazing

white sky
strong gulch
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didn't opt in

white sky
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Oh is it mandatory now?

young cliff
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There is an option in the screen to pick your server iirc

austere burrow
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If by QP you mean queue party you can turn off the server connection

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Then Its you and 3 bots agaisnt the world

zealous wing
jovial juniper
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Yeah

timber spire
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Looking for a chain lightning build- I like the Psyker Smite ability alot. (Anything that can handle Auric or under really)

jovial juniper
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Gimme a year

marble crater
timber spire
jovial juniper
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Since this is mainly a smite build

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My melee and ranged are more single target oriented

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So Deimos/Obscurus

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And electric staff

scarlet timber
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is there

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any psyker player

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who can help with builds?

long saddle
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yeah just post what you have

timber spire
umbral oyster
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Post your build sibling

zealous wing
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or, your build desires and we can help

scarlet timber
strong gulch
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Am I gonna have to add you to the taxe list @zealous wing ?

long saddle
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@zealous wing what blessings do you run on FGS for non-SG builds

umbral oyster
long saddle
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I just rolled myself a 40% warp res one

zealous wing
patent mango
zealous wing
patent mango
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or i just sc the talent screen thrice to get it all lmao

strong gulch
zealous wing
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its a lil treat not the main course

scarlet timber
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i use to run skyrier gaze with this and the stone throwing thingy and the target the dude thingy

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but now eveything looks different...

patent mango
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laspistol still really good and so is obscurus

long saddle
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assail and disrupt destiny?

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they are in the same spot on the tree still

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gunker and crit nodes are still to the right as well

patent mango
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yeah the tree is a bit simpler now

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since they removed the trap talents lmao

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well most of em

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imma do an img comparison im wondering how many bad talents r left

scarlet timber
patent mango
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thats like pretty close to mine

ornate hamlet
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i wonder if there is an OP shard build out there

scarlet timber
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any improvements?

patent mango
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the talent in the middle of disrupt destiny

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that ones still pretty bad

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then you can get like warp rider or quetitude or just a dream or smth else

long saddle
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id go warp rider ye

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warp ghost is also v good

umbral oyster
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Why haven't you bought either of the assail talents?

inland ice
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warp rider will give u the damage boost

patent mango
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assail talents arent that worth it specially nowadays

umbral oyster
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High tier ragebait

patent mango
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its just that theres a lot of great things to go for lol

scarlet timber
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so for this build i really dont know what to do

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i use to just go shout and damage boost thingy with it

umbral oyster
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Erm shout is on veteran psyker has shriek ☝️ 🤓

long saddle
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they're both "shouts"

pale prairie
# pale prairie

Ah wait if it’s void blast just switch that white neutral node at the bottom middle for Empyric resolve

patent mango
# pale prairie

do you need that -10% peril gen node above middle keystone lol

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oh ok nvm

pale prairie
patent mango
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idk if inferno would need -10% peril gen

pale prairie
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A little peril resistance but not so much that you have problems building for shriek

patent mango
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but im not really a node enjoyer

pale prairie
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It’s a floating node

patent mango
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i used to take like 1 or 2 toughness nodes on the pre rework tree cause i didnt know what to do with the points actually lmao

royal totem
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I need help

pale prairie
royal totem
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What talents should i take to play smyker that will make ppl hate me

scarlet timber
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how do i fix this ? XD

umbral oyster
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Any

long saddle
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EP and SG

patent mango
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no conditions or anything funny

radiant frigate
scarlet timber
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HELP ME!

patent mango
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how

scarlet timber
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how do i fix this sshiit?

pale prairie
patent mango
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oh i didnt c cause of the gif

umbral oyster
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I need help
Not with darktide though

scarlet timber
pale prairie
royal totem
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according to my psyker loner personality everybody already hates me anyways

umbral oyster
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We sure do

patent mango
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smite moment

scarlet timber
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with thiss build tbf

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its a rending shockwave

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build

royal totem
pale prairie
marble crater
pale prairie
marble crater
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I'm going to bed now

umbral oyster
pale prairie
umbral oyster
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They shut the black clover game down

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Sadge

royal totem
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Im gonna hold smite to 50% then let go!

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Then repeat!

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or just stab my enemies

brazen rampart
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What to put on soyker knife?

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For gunker setup.

sturdy reef
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FGS

radiant frigate
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Yes

thorn cedar
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Smyker rn for me looks like this

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with cknife and rlas

jovial juniper
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Oh wow

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Smite nerf actually hits hard

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Damn

thorn cedar
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wym

jovial juniper
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Went from 18% peril to 22%

thorn cedar
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oh yeah

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i mean

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kinda?

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Lightning Storm is baked in so that's just about the difference in output

jovial juniper
thorn cedar
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BM gets -10% PR and there's another in the tree too

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Almost right back to baseline

jovial juniper
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Yeah you get a lot of -peril

thorn cedar
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you do feel it tho

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if you are used to it

strong gulch
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@zealous wing GG

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Thanks for the games.

zealous wing
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done for the night?

strong gulch
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Am done

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ye

zealous wing
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kk

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ty for having me

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how did i do on inferno? no idea how to use it proper lol

strong gulch
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Thanks for the fun!

pale prairie
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HAVOC!?!

thorn cedar
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unless you didnt take lightning storm before

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which i think is insane

pale prairie
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Smite is insane

thorn cedar
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(but the game didnt really tell you ALL the stuff it did so, not surprising)

strong gulch
gray juniper
thorn cedar
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It listed +1 jump but it was really +1 jump, reduced spread time, +1 m range

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you could think of it as like

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1/3rd of an EP Smite

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(with no damage bonus)

zealous wing
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with inferno do i do mostly LMB or RMB?

thorn cedar
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mostly RMB probs but mix it up

gray juniper
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Option 2

cosmic cobalt
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m1 also stagger crusher out of their combo iirc

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been that way before update

sturdy reef
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M2 has more suppression

thorn cedar
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negative

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well actually

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true if its killing

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LMB has it all frontloaded tho

zealous wing
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ill keep that in mind next time i take it out of the closet

gray juniper
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If you’re talking about smite, don’t take it out the closet

thorn cedar
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i do sometimes talk in this so dont be surprised by the voices in ur head

strong gulch
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Yeah. TLDR is

LMB = stagger
RMB = suppression (and eventually stagger especially with blaze away stacks)

That over simplistic and you get a feel for what needs what and when. Things of note is it's better to M1 shotgunners and M2 reapers.

zealous wing
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how long do i charge RMB

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fire asap?

strong gulch
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Roughly half

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A little under or over is fine.

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Full charges are generally unsafe but can be nice at the start of an engagement

thorn cedar
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can someone with mods do a funny for me

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in the psyk

zealous wing
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do what

thorn cedar
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Just a Dream + Scriers Gaze + Quietude
stand in fire

gray juniper
thorn cedar
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and quell

zealous wing
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yes i can do that

thorn cedar
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i wanna see how long that toughness holds up

zealous wing
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was about to go to bed but i can do a shenanigan

thorn cedar
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make sure you let scriers stack up for a bit first

zealous wing
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lemme load back up

thorn cedar
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so that youre getting the full juice out of that squeeze

zealous wing
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i assume you want it clipped if possible

thorn cedar
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that would be best but im the beggar here

gray juniper
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Yes

thorn cedar
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so i accept anecdote

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its really funny watching my gameplay, you cant actually tell wtf im doing when i insta-smite a special and they just falll over

zealous wing
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best i can do is 60 seconds, if its longer than that, ill send the clip and let you know roughly how long

gray juniper
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Hex is truly feeds the people

thorn cedar
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if its 60 seconds then i mean

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lmao

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look if its more than like 10 seconds that would already be insane

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but in a live match im not gonna stay in it yknow

zealous wing
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ok

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so

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flammers? nothing

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no time

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insta fuck over

thorn cedar
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dang

arctic turret
jovial juniper
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Ok played some M2 Ek Gaze Perfectionism

zealous wing
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grenades next

jovial juniper
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It is very safe to say

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You don't need cruel fortune

thorn cedar
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yeah im starting to come to that conclusion as well

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BUT

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it is a fucken SLOG to get the stacks up

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you arent losing them too much but its an eternity to get the ball rolling

zealous wing
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grenade fire like, a second

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so, usual shit

thorn cedar
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aw, unfort

zealous wing
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you arent able to regain toughness back fast enough

thorn cedar
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granted

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OwtW, etc.

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there's other shit we could do to lean into this

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really we already get it, these are good survivabilty nodes

zealous wing
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cant even escape a burster with half your hp and JaD

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(im on my crystalline will testing one, had all three talents you wanted alr)

pale prairie
# thorn cedar aw, unfort

That’s why I died in that first run with clad yesterday. Maybe like 3 sec of bomber flame cause I was jumping. Can’t believe they threw grenades at me instead of you guys Sitgryn

thorn cedar
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it was very rude

zealous wing
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okii i go bed now

pale prairie
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It was a dumb room to go into. Was just hoping to passthrough

zealous wing
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sorry the testing didnt work out o7

thorn cedar
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is coo'

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wouldve just been funny if you could pull even five seconds out of it

pale prairie
thorn cedar
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i guess jumping up and down is the secret

pale prairie
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But I’ll allow you to sleep

zealous wing
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dude dont challenge me like that you KNOW ill stay up the next 3 hours trying to make it work 😭

pale prairie
thorn cedar
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oh i meant if youre in it

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yeah boxes are op tho

pale prairie
zealous wing
pale prairie
thorn cedar
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sadly i am too lazy to do anything like real video editing

zealous wing
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k ive made notes about this for tomorrow squint

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i am going to try and make a nearly unkillable suipsyker

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figure out weapons, blessings, talents, curio, all of it

pale prairie
zealous wing
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well, skill is also involved, if youre quick you're hard to kill, no? Kappa

gray juniper
zealous wing
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i did say nearly

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im going to make it, and im going to run it in auric

gray juniper
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I’m mad as shit. I don’t know what’s wrong but game has no frames when I start a match

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I died early taking 3 bursters to the face that I pushed and dodged

pale prairie
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Console issue

arctic turret
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going into h40 w/ melee psycher no shield and BB

gray juniper
gray juniper
left hare
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I was losing my havocs so much in pubs

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Until i went psyker

gray juniper
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Strange remark tbh

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Then again I don’t trust anyone else to be the fire/bubble psyker either

north crown
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Query on Souldrinker ("Killing an enemy with soulblaze <does stuff...>"):
Does this proc killing an enemy afflicted by Soublaze (e.g. sword kill on a a burning enemy) OR does the enemy has to die of a Soulblaze DOT tick?

sturdy reef
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with

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they dont have to die from the DoT

gray juniper
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It’s very useful imo

north crown
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Thank you!

gray juniper
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Oh yea I remember what I did @pale prairie

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You’re going to hate it 😇

jovial juniper
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Wow

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3341 damage brain Burst

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Damn is it that good

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I didn't realize until now

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💀

ripe obsidian
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What second perk do people use on Rending Voidblast?

patent jacinth
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flurry

ripe obsidian
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That is a blessing. D:

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I know that part

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I have Carapace on mine, just checking what other people like

jovial juniper
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Probs flak because most important enemies still flak

ripe obsidian
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Flak is a given

strong gulch
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SIX

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Hi

ripe obsidian
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Hello

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I am working on the guide more

strong gulch
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Doing great work.

ripe obsidian
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Thoughts on EE in Blazing Voidblast? I am not a huge fan, given the relatively long charge time between potential crits, but it's still quite good.

strong gulch
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M1 away

bright summit
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Geniuely surprised they didn't rework it

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I guess there's really 1 weapon where you can just hold down m1 and walk at gunners and it's the ones I play

ripe obsidian
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So notably less often than Inferno or EK

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Still good. Just less reliable.

bright summit
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Is full M2 more efficient than half charge qq

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That's what I do

ripe obsidian
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For damage and stagger, likely. The big thing is the AoE of the fire, imo

bright summit
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I pref it it's safer imo

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Also faster procs for ee

ripe obsidian
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This is my working description for Blazing Voidblast + Shriek:

"Nearly identical to the Empyric Resolve Inferno + Venting Shriek build. Empathic Evasion is worthy of a small amount of debate here, as your crit chance will usually max out at 42.5% (7.5% base + 5% small node + 5% Souldrinker +5% Prescience + 5% staff perk + 15-20% Warp Nexus). Combined with a charge rate of 1.3 seconds without Warp Flurry, you’re averaging 1 second of ranged invulnerability per 3.06 seconds of fully-charged RMBs. This is not bad, but it is not on par with something like Electrokinetic or Inferno.
However, you do have the option to use LMB (same attack profile as EK’s LMB, minus the critical bonuses) or short-charge RMBs. I do not have the data to know how much short-charge RMBs affects your damage output, but spamming LMBs will certainly make you less effective."

bright summit
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Looks good

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I've done lmb truama its good

ripe obsidian
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I think, for the average player, LMB Voidblast is not a good idea

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I did add a cheeky FAQ to cover such scenarios, though:

bright summit
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Lol

strong gulch
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More less. EE is just a safety node. Like if doing shriek EK but ranged enemies are suppression immune. LMB spam for EE is your safety that still let's you attack.

bright summit
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Also, I made a ek shriekspam video for fun

ripe obsidian
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I haven't gotten to EK just yet

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I do feel that EK is the hardest staff to perform well on, as it tends to require a player to make Conscious Decisions about LMB vs RMB

swift stag
ripe obsidian
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Whereas the other staves can do fine just spamming RMB

ripe obsidian
bright summit
ripe obsidian
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EK is fun. I do not disagree

strong gulch
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Just an example of LMB EE for safety.

swift stag
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I love EK so good for CC

ripe obsidian
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EK is decent for CC

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It's a difficult staff to master. High skill ceiling compared with the others

swift stag
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EK + BB is my fav

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mutants have no chance to even get close

strong gulch
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It might vary by person. I've found EK to be one of the easier staves.

BUT it could just be a low floor high ceiling thing.

ripe obsidian
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Easy to use, hard to master, I think.

strong gulch
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Right now ye. If the stagger gets fixed, then EK likely won't just stop muties right away.

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valid

bright summit
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M1 kill them fast and on scriers DDs you delete muties

royal totem
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I havent had problems with muties on ek

strong gulch
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Not problem so mush as there is a stagger bug that affects EK RMB. So muties get CC every time you zap em right now.

white river
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new gunker moment

thorn cedar
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When's DoTs and Rending gonna get decoupled.

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Shit is silly.

ripe obsidian
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Elaborate?

modest perch
thorn cedar
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Never.

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(Dots benefiting from Uncanny specifically is really dumbo)

ripe obsidian
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Fair. Not so much an issue with Soulblaze.

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Not sure bleed ADMs. Hold on.

modest perch
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lol soulblaze is like the biggest beneficiary

white river
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I don't even run dueling sword I run the force greatsword

ripe obsidian
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Well, I guess it affects Carapace

ripe obsidian
thorn cedar
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I basically kill Crushers last.

ripe obsidian
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And the only enemy that's carapace as a default armor type is crushers, afaik. I could be missing one.

thorn cedar
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Unless there's only Crushers.

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Yeah why isn't Scab Ragers carapace mainm

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Still not a thing.

ripe obsidian
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It probably should be.

white river
gray juniper
modest perch
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nah

gray juniper
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Good thing idc chadgryn

ripe obsidian
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okay, bleeding gets waaaaaay more from rending/brittleness than soulblaze

thorn cedar
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warp charges more like warp crap

ripe obsidian
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    [armor_types.unarmored] = 0.5,
    [armor_types.armored] = 0.75,
    [armor_types.resistant] = 0.75,
    [armor_types.player] = 1,
    [armor_types.berserker] = 1,
    [armor_types.super_armor] = 0.25,
    [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = 0.5,
    [armor_types.void_shield] = 1,
}

versus

local burninating_warp_adm = {
    [armor_types.unarmored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.armored] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.resistant] = 1.5,
    [armor_types.player] = 0.125,
    [armor_types.berserker] = 1,
    [armor_types.super_armor] = 0.1,
    [armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = 1.25,
    [armor_types.void_shield] = 1,
}
modest perch
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warp sharting

thorn cedar
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and you still get the generic damage boost for overrending too

ripe obsidian
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It is a smol boost, but yes. Or I guess not so smol with the fucking 120% from uncanny

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So, what, 24%?

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On flak, maniac, and unyielding. Then... 100% total damage + 7.5% bonus on carapace? Something like that

bright summit
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Its good but mostly noticable on inferno

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I actually talked about it in the video but it's about ek so the damage didn't look as impressive

ripe obsidian
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Is because of how Soulblaze scales.

thorn cedar
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Then you add +Carapace to your weapon.

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And I whatever else.

ripe obsidian
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Okay, but this is a somewhat niche situation. As you said, you kill Crushers last. For however long they're on fire before you take out your melee, they're taking super minimal damage. Once you turn the melee weapon on them, how much damage are they taking from the melee versus the fire? Especially with the supposedly lowered spawn rates on crushers.

I think that Uncanny is probably in need of rebalancing, but I also think the armor system and per-weapon ADMs on the whole need rebalancing.

sturdy reef
#

yes

ripe obsidian
#

Right now, most weapons are just walled by Carapace, and the other armor types are unimportant.

#

There needs to be more variation.

sturdy reef
#

the day taxe is good against carapace is the day I drop every other melee

gray juniper
#

Like something else besides thunder hammer that’s a guarantee

bright summit
#

Uncanny + one of the strength blessings I forgot the name of on the force sword

#

That's like the combo I've seen

quartz flare
#

Soulblaze greatsword build. Kinda good?

sturdy reef
#

thammer lowkey one of the most buffed weapons this patch

#

with the zealot rework

gray juniper
#

Every zeally is a martyrdom tier zealot now

#

The tree is crazy

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

I like that perspective

#

but

#

that isnt how VT2 approached it

#

and I think people want the VT2 approach

ripe obsidian
gray juniper
#

😐

sturdy reef
#

if the FGS didnt have such mid blessings, itd probably be the best psyker melee

#

it still is rn

cold ivy
#

the reason why crushers are the only enemy worth considering is because purg psyker dumpsters everything else

sturdy reef
#

one of the top

ripe obsidian
gray juniper
#

VM node requirement because it takes ogryn hits to kill back down to old mark

cold ivy
#

not in high havoc density, there are like 30+ ragers/maulers at a time which take too long to kill without purg/flamer

sturdy reef
#

nah

cold ivy
#

but with purg psyker and vet demo team they're just 5% chances for krak grenades

sturdy reef
#

just watch a pickaxe go

#

or frag nades

#

or arby

#

or relic blade martyrdom

#

etc

#

I agree with Six

ripe obsidian
#

Ah, you beat me to it

sturdy reef
#

power sword

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fucking power sword

swift stag
#

only time I actually notice carpace is the laser bois, past that my FS makes quick work of a crusher, mauler or bulwark

sturdy reef
#

Psword still top tier

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

Deimos does but

ripe obsidian
#

FGS does fine as well.

sturdy reef
#

it has to be a QQ macro

#

so not really

ripe obsidian
#

I did say to a lesser extent

sturdy reef
#

fair

royal totem
#

Why is obscurus good against carapace

ripe obsidian
#

Also, VT2 did have some special armor interactions. Shotgun weapons did bonus damage to maniac enemies.

royal totem
#

ive never really used fs

swift stag
#

I use Illisi

ripe obsidian
ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

got buffed continuously

swift stag
#

Its not the stronger but does aggro control they are the last one standing but BB or EK them if I need space

#

just how I do it, right now my biggest struggle is the damn maulers if I get swarmed in a corner.

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But so far thats only happened once and I was in a shite location cause it was dark and spooky xD

ripe obsidian
#

LMB on Inferno staff staggers maulers.

sturdy reef
#

yes

#

and ragers

ripe obsidian
#

And bulwarks, eventually

royal totem
#

Not crushers though right?

ripe obsidian
#

I do not believe Inferno LMB can stagger crushers, no.

royal totem
#

Guess ill just smite them lmao

jovial juniper
fathom adder
#

Isn't everything extra staggerable right now

pale matrix
#

does dropping bubble reduce your perils now?

ripe obsidian
#

No

jovial juniper
ripe obsidian
jovial juniper
#

I could swear that last iLas shot hit the target

#

I gambled everything on that last shot

sturdy reef
#

plasma gaming

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no friendy fire

#

no overheat lol

#

I dont get it

proper osprey
#

did 1.2 mill that game

#

controller wear and tear killed me

proper osprey
gray juniper
#

They shoot through allies with no penalty. Obviously I got downed learning that

jovial juniper
#

They simply have a multiplier of 0

#

Against everything not .player

#

It's shrimple

pale matrix
#

is gunker/scriers good now in havoc or is it still way too ammo hungry?

prime elk
#

lmao what the fuck did they do to gunker

#

or psyker in general

#

first game back

sturdy reef
#

its good

prime elk
#

totally braindead

#

i was playing sloppily as fuck

#

with no repurcussions

pale matrix
prime elk
#

nah auric hitsg

pale matrix
patent jacinth
#

Is it just me or does Just A Dream give you some weird ass oneshot protection

prime elk
#

and lingering influence is just straight up useless now

#

it's not even a choice

#

so cool

#

peak game design

patent jacinth
#

Or whatever the damage to peril thing is

pale matrix
#

is is gunker still not great in havoc due to ammo issues?

#

or is it now so goated it doesn't matter?

prime elk
#

it was always good even in havoc

pale matrix
prime elk
#

i mainly use melee

#

and a lot of assail

gray juniper
sturdy reef
#

the ranged is for reapers and bosses

#

and some gunners

prime elk
#

i'm using perfectionism

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and my average stacks is 21.59

#

whereas with lingering influence you're capped at 15

gray juniper
sturdy reef
#

DD targeting changes make perfectionism better

austere warren
gray juniper
ripe obsidian
#

Trust in Kuli

thorn cedar
#

if you still have toughness when you get hit, you get twice the benefit

prime elk
prime elk
#

if it worked on all targets i would've been at 25 stacks the entire time during combat lol

gray juniper
#

What’s combat pattern?

#

*your combat pattern

prime elk
#

wdym?

#

just assail weaving and spamming taxe, i only use my gun for reapers, bulwarks and bosses basically

#

if that's what you're asking

pale matrix
#

assail, or brainburst/kinetic flayer for gunker/scriers?

prime elk
#

assail's a very important part of gunker

pale matrix
prime elk
#

deals with specialists hiding in hordes

ripe obsidian
#

Assail adds ammoless ranged damage, clears loose hordes

prime elk
#

wrecks shooters at range

#

saves you a lot of ammo

pale matrix
pale matrix
ripe obsidian
#

Assail can also help maintain peril. Less of an issue with Warp Ghost and new Psykinetic's Aura, tho

thorn cedar
#

Malefic Momentum

prime elk
#

yeh and that too

ripe obsidian
#

Oh yeah, that too

prime elk
#

so basically gunker without assail is tantamount to heresy

thorn cedar
#

smh fn dummies

ripe obsidian
#

I am a dummy.

pale matrix
thorn cedar
#

quelling to 0 is unnecessary

#

what you need is an active quell gimmick (bm, bcob, tts) or mim

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

warp ghost isnt necessary for scriers

pale matrix
sturdy reef
#

since u either go true aim or KD

#

for DD

thorn cedar
#

its an easy grab

sturdy reef
#

you dont need to manually quell in scriers unless you are doing staff

ripe obsidian
#

And WG also gives +25% toughness from all sources and +2 stamina

#

Which is fantastic

#

And it has no tax, since it's right next to Warp Rider

pale matrix
thorn cedar
#

MiM is how I do. Basically any moment where there's nothing to hit and nothing worth shooting I just hold R and run at the nearest thing while maintaining gaze.

ripe obsidian
#

Why are you quelling during Warp Unbound?

sturdy reef
#

I have the double stacks on DD instead of WG

thorn cedar
#

And Assail is the most generous perils ability since you can cast it at 99.99% perils without exploding.

sturdy reef
#

I think its worth

pale matrix
thorn cedar
#

So all you need are brief taps and just the slightest amount of passive quell is sufficient.

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

why take WU if you are going to quell

#

its still a good node for SG

ripe obsidian
#

Yes.

sturdy reef
#

I think meleeker wants other stuff more tho

ripe obsidian
#

Yellow is good, but there are better options.

sturdy reef
#

I run it in my Staff SG builds

ripe obsidian
#

Green = great. Yellow = good, but better options. Orange = preference pick.

pale matrix
#

who takes warp unbound on a gunker?

ripe obsidian
#

...

prime elk
#

i do lol

ripe obsidian
#

Most people.

thorn cedar
#

Some do for Assail dump.

#

I don't care for it personally.

ripe obsidian
#

I like it for Assail and FGS warp slash/push attack

#

It's not necessary, but it's hardly a bad choice

pale matrix
#

are just a dream and immaterial focus good?

thorn cedar
#

Amazing.

sturdy reef
#

if you have an ability that can quell

#

take JaD

ripe obsidian
sturdy reef
#

it can make you blow up if you take a hit before say

#

using a single lmb

#

then pop

ripe obsidian
#

JaD doesn't do anything at >=97% peril

#

Except put you to 97% from 100% if you get hit for some reason

sturdy reef
#

I run a bit differently

#

for inferno

#

oh I meant mettle instead of WE

#

but you can honestly replace mettle with whatever

#

I like the MS

pale matrix
prime elk
#

i take all the movement speed nodes when i run gaze lol

#

feels good

sturdy reef
#

anticipation is very nice for maneuvering on havoc

pale matrix
#

perilous combustion good?

sturdy reef
#

very

patent jacinth
pale matrix
#

on scriers/gunker it's that good?

sturdy reef
#

it isnt necessary

patent jacinth
#

Its infinite cleave for free

pale matrix
sturdy reef
#

on melee psyker?

pale matrix
patent jacinth
#

It stacks

pale matrix
sturdy reef
#

gunker/meleeker are the same

patent jacinth
#

You kill 5 shotgunners and it's like you're running purg staff

sturdy reef
sturdy reef
#

that is what I run

bright summit
#

If you take only each individual soulblaze node then yeah they are useless

#

But stacking them however

pale matrix
#

is my build fine or should I change stuff?

strong gulch
#

Yeah you want SB stuff to snowball and build.

A single SB talent by itself doesn't do much.

Even PC as your only SB source is mehh.

plucky flax
#

Kind of sad

strong gulch
#

another round of yellow !

steel flame
#

god i will kill for a premade havoc team, my back fucking hurts man

bright summit
#

I almost only play premades lol

steel flame
#

i cant physically do more damage, can yall just not die?

summer prairie
#

JaD does do something at >97% peril, it sets your peril back to 97%

steel flame
#

my problem is, i refuse to bubble bitch on principle

#

and all anyone knows how to do is play in bubble so they all stand out in the open when there is no bubble

#

and get shot to pieces

plucky flax
#

I lost a rank yesterday. If I play shriek team die cos no bubble. If I play bubble my damage is too low and team also die

#

Game is hard

steel flame
#

my fire sword build absolutly fucks havoc in the ass but it doesnt matter if the team all die from brain damage

summer prairie
steel flame
#

im sitting here having taken 27 damage total for half the mission, and the rest of the team have all gone down to their last wound

#

like what am i supposed to do

plucky flax
summer prairie
#

Sure, but I've the same schedule as yesterday so not too late

plucky flax
#

Bro has an outing

steel flame
#

how rude of me, do any of you feel like playing with a wierdo like zazy

plucky flax
#

Yeah can play later i need to finish coffee then go quick jog then house chores

jovial juniper
#

wtf is ranged damage

steel flame
jovial juniper
#

🗣️

plucky flax
summer prairie
#

Already done with coffee, I'll go for a jog soon

plucky flax
#

Broke and poor europeans

steel flame
#

what you all run on the same schedule too?

plucky flax
#

Give me some of that na tax bracket

summer prairie
#

way ahead of you (2 hours)

steel flame
#

fuckin wierd europeans

#

XP

jovial juniper
plucky flax
#

I wake up at 6am on weekend

summer prairie
#

very normal

plucky flax
#

Sigma grindset type beat

summer prairie
#

if you are 70

steel flame
#

personally i just made the decision to not be shot by anything ever. empathic simply filters and ratios poor plasma gunners

summer prairie
#

I wake up around 8

plucky flax
#

Thats late have you tried going to bed earlier

#

Nobody has a worse sleep schedule than karien tho

#

Maybe that's the secret to carrying

jovial juniper
#

I wish Ilas had Desperado

pale prairie
wraith sphinx
#

in fact I've never actually played a havoc w/ a premade

#

actually no wait I think I attempted H34 a couple times with people from here

sturdy reef
#

I use the party finder since the lfg here isnt always active

wraith sphinx
#

guh, they disabled the psykhanium table?

steel flame
#

ya know, ive never actually used the lfg

ripe obsidian
#

Voidblast stuff has been added to the WIP build guide.

#

I'll try to do EK or Voidstrike tomorrow.

plucky flax
strong gulch
#

Filthy liar. All points are spent.

ripe obsidian
# sturdy reef I run a bit differently

SG Inferno is a fairly niche build to begin with, so I imagine there are a lot of little tweaks to fit people's preferences. Things that are in orange outlines aren't necessarily bad, but they're preference picks. I'm trying to make these templates for new-ish players who are looking for general information rather than experienced players who already know what they do and don't like.

sturdy reef
#

ye its good

ripe obsidian
#

I might add a section at the end that includes links to more bespoke builds

#

And encourage people here to give me links to their stuff

paper harbor
#

could deflector blessing block plasma gunner shot?

ripe obsidian
#

Yes.

paper harbor
#

ridiculous strong

#

breaking lore

#

well i guess psyker could block explosive bolt round from astares

heavy hamlet
# ripe obsidian I'll try to do EK or Voidstrike tomorrow.

Nice, just curious before you post your build? What's the upside of EK in your more experienced opinion. I do love playing with EK (for regular level including Auric) but I know it doesn't scale up to high Havoc due to the amount of enemy there. But I find it fun just to slide and zap around, and I want a justification to keep playing

ripe obsidian
#

EK scales fine into Havoc. It just requires a bit more work than Inferno or Voidblast

#

It's more reliant on swapping between LMB and RMB depending on the situation.

#

It actually got a pretty significant boost with this patch due to the accessibility of Soulblaze. Makes it easier to get and spread that lovely blue fire for horde clear

heavy hamlet
#

An admission : It's very difficult for me to get the hang of voidblast (I suck at the game) - but when I start playing with EK I do a lot better

ripe obsidian
#

EK can do pretty great single target damage with LMB, can blow up bigger targets with RMB, and can horde clear with Shriek, or good use of LMB to a lesser extent

ripe obsidian
heavy hamlet
#

But maybe because I haven't really tried it at high Havoc (my maximum havoc is at 18)

#

So my comparison is just Auric

ripe obsidian
#

Voidblast and Inferno both scale insanely well into high havoc

#

And are generally weaker in low havoc and auric

wind spruce
#

@summer prairie @plucky flax did I hear something about a fix for ovenproofs extension

wind spruce
#

How does someone only do 12k damage per minute

strong gulch
#

Just hold block and walk.

wind spruce
#

Pretty sure that's still more than 12k damage per minute

strong gulch
#

I think I managed to get 5k (maybe 10k) in a 20 - 30 min game as arby.

#

I was trying very hard.

wind spruce
strong gulch
wind spruce
summer prairie
#

It only works if you already had the older localization file

terse wave
#

Was smite nerfed? I feel like I overperil in 2 seconds with it

#

Like what's even the point in CCing enemies for 2 seconds and then go to 90% peril, when I can spend this time killing

#

Death is permanent CC

summer prairie
#

if you run peril reduction nodes, you can still smite long

strong gulch
#

Smite peril gen was increased.

wind spruce
radiant frigate
strong gulch
#

But yeah, smite can still be ran a long time with certain builds.

wind spruce
#

smite gains peril 25% quicker

#

its not THAT different

summer prairie
#

@wind spruce It's a fix for my version of Ovenproof that has a separate blitz category and I previously posted both the main lua and the localization one and this fix only has the main lua

summer prairie
bright summit
hoary spear
#

did they buff the damage though?

summer prairie
#

no

hoary spear
#

wtf

summer prairie
#

you aren't supposed to just smite forever

hoary spear
#

then they prolly changed the scaling for the skill that boosts damage based on peril

summer prairie
#

grab ER and maybe BM/10% peril reduction node and you can still smite way too long

verbal thistle
#

Smite isn't meant to be held

terse wave
verbal thistle
#

It's a quick stun to reposition

#

Imo they should remove smite damage increases

wind spruce
#

just give psyker two blitzes

#

who cares

hoary spear
verbal thistle
#

Not very well

hoary spear
#

why would you want to reduce the damage of smite when its perfect as is rn

verbal thistle
#

Comparing to like 95% of psykers kit

#

Assail does it better

#

Staffs do it better

strong gulch
#

Perma smite was a mistake.

verbal thistle
#

Soul blaze does it better

#

Shriek does it better

summer prairie
#

right, you can smite forever with SG+WU and the new PA

verbal thistle
#

Smite is not perfect

#

It should probably be reworked

#

Very badly designed

wind spruce
strong gulch
sturdy reef
#

yues

wind spruce
#

like its not even difficult

#

as long as your team is getting an elite/special kill every 3s....

#

dumbassery

summer prairie
#

PA doesn't trigger on your team killing an elite/special, does it

#

I don't care what it says

wind spruce
#

lmao

#

fair

summer prairie
#

I've been trying to pay attention to the buff icon and I think it doesn't but not positive

wraith sphinx
wind spruce
#

one sec im queueing in to check now

strong gulch
#

But tired brain doesn't observe very well.

wind spruce
#

yes it does trigger lol

wraith sphinx
#

at this point it would need to be quintuple its current damage for me to consider it worthwhile to hold down rmb smite and slow down to a crawl while doing so

wind spruce
terse wave
#

Just make smite true cc tool, remove damage but make it stun for longer

wind spruce
#

and that would even be true if scriers didnt quell because it has less than 20s cooldown with curios and seer's presence lmao

wraith sphinx
#

it's like, 19 or 18 seconds

#

it's so fast

bright summit
wind spruce
wraith sphinx
verbal thistle
#

Smite being a self explode that releases electric stagger around them would be cool

#

Like a self dog explosion

summer prairie
#

It should only count your kills then

wind spruce
terse wave
#

CC tools in games should be more effective at CC than just outright killing enemies, otherwise there's no point

#

That's why almost no one uses Sterilizer in Helldivers 2

wind spruce
#

the curios take off 11.53%

wraith sphinx
#

smite is already okay at cc except not okay enough

wind spruce
#

so 19.9s with seers

#

actually im not sure if its additive or multiplicative with seer's

wraith sphinx
#

smite also completely lost its niche application of augmenting your melee with charged strike + enfeeble for me now that kinetic flayer got buffed

wind spruce
#

its 22.12s with just curios

summer prairie
#

Additive

wraith sphinx
#

and assail still remains the best overall blitz option with how flexible it is

wind spruce
#

19.62

#

i did remember

summer prairie
#

Warp charges aren't, the reduction is calculated afterwards

wind spruce
#

based, forgetful irosk

verbal thistle
#

Assail is a 1 point invest for horde clear

#

No other class has that

wraith sphinx
#

do you use assail without the subnodes?

verbal thistle
#

Never

wraith sphinx
#

I like using it w quick shards myself

verbal thistle
#

I take all assail buffa

wraith sphinx
#

ah

#

yeah assail doesn't feel as good without at least one upgrade

verbal thistle
wraith sphinx
#

but with how the tree is right now it's harder to excuse not taking both

wind spruce
#

i dont run out of charges on high havoc even without quickshards bc armour

wraith sphinx
#

I sometimes run out of charges on auric without quickshards because pubs close their eyes and pretend rangeds don't exist

wind spruce
#

oh on auric i run out constantly even w/ quickshards lol

#

i have to actively stop myself from using them because its just assail psyker for 90% of threats at that point

#

but thats auric

wraith sphinx
#

yeah fair

wind spruce
#

Hmm chainsword heavy special 50%s a crusher with zero talents

#

Not hard to one shot it with right side

wraith sphinx
#

btw do yall know what is the base crit chance for assail?

#

the show crit chance mod doesn't show it for blitzes

summer prairie
#

default

wind spruce
verbal thistle
#

7.5

wraith sphinx
#

thanks

wind spruce
#

And combat blade

wraith sphinx
#

right then it's 17.50% for my build due to crit chance node and prescience, cool

wind spruce
#

87.5% crit chance duelling sword and force swords is still peak gaming chadgryn

strong gulch
#

@verbal thistle I played EP assail today. 🫡

wind spruce
#

no one is discussing the biggest change from this patch

#

+14 stam psyker is now possible

#

SMDH head

summer prairie
#

crash

plucky flax
modest perch
#

you must appease the machine spirit

wraith sphinx
#

melee psyker is finally real...

radiant frigate
wraith sphinx
radiant frigate
#

@fresh reef is this correct

wraith sphinx
#

ah there they are

#

HEY, MELEE PSYKER IS FINALLY REAL

ornate hamlet
#

Fuck you mean "finally"

#

COME BACK HERE, I JUST WANNA TALK TO YOU

summer prairie
#

@plucky flax the new skitarius broke manual charging for staves

ornate hamlet
wraith sphinx
#

👼

ornate hamlet
#

Too late, I can't unlaunch the nuclear warhead

wraith sphinx
#

damn!

ornate hamlet
#

Sending thoughts and prayers tho

wraith sphinx
#

also unrelated but ngl my voidstrike crit build doesn't feel as good as it used to

ornate hamlet
#

I wouldn't know, I crashed when opening my game due to mods and now I'm just waiting for updates chadgryn

#

I bet my dueling sword build is still silly as ever

wraith sphinx
#

zamn!

plucky flax
#

I'm using a really old version.

#

If you need it let me know.

summer prairie
#

All the olds ones are available on nexus

plucky flax
#

Havoc is too thicc now.

summer prairie
#

are you done

plucky flax
#

Without a good horde clear psyker it's rough.

#

I can play 1 more.

wraith sphinx
#

actually I know what must I do but do I have the strength for it

summer prairie
#

did the other two leave

cosmic cobalt
#

infinite cleave op who would've thought

plucky flax
#

I restarted my game.

#

I'll try oggy it seems ppl don't think it's good anymore. Maybe the bully club does no damage against crusher.

dense valley
#

bruh tf have they done to psyker man this is like half way through

paper harbor
#

my friend now main fgs while playing psyker

#

he deeply love as calling fgs anti-armor weapon

upper sun
#

imagine logging in to see this

#

😭

summer prairie
plucky flax
#

Error message said line 978

summer prairie
#

I know

#

That's the one that is supposed to be fixed

plucky flax
#

mod.ammunition_pickup_modifier = havoc_manager:get_modifier_value("ammo_pickup_modifier") or 1

summer prairie
#

and it is for me

plucky flax
#

What I have atm

summer prairie
#

That's the old file

plucky flax
#

Yes.

summer prairie
#

I don't know what you did with the new one then

plucky flax
#

You sent a localisation file.

#

Earlier today.

summer prairie
plucky flax
#

-.-

summer prairie
#

That was just for Irosk

plucky flax
#

The crusher buff is too op

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Maybe I'm just washed and can only play psyker now.

modest perch
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nah it is kinda alot

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i spent what felt like an hour in a civi earlier

weary crane
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Havoc 40 pus hardened, rotten armour, golden, red crusher being healed by a scab captain

wind spruce
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Lmao parrying with duelling sword at 100% overloads you

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So fucking funny

wraith sphinx
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Lmfao

marble crater
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I'm really close to switching Maniac damage to Elite damage on my EK now, because of the HP buff on all the scab elites staregryn

wraith sphinx
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WELCOME TO THE SLAUGHTAH

plucky flax
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Did mutie get hp buff too?

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They seem tankier (havoc)

wind spruce
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oooh actual new staff model not just a recolour

zinc phoenix
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Does rotten armor give some stagger resist?

wraith sphinx
# plucky flax Did mutie get hp buff too?

Melee damage multiplier against the following Specialist enemies has been reduced:

Dreg Tox Flamer from x3 to x2
Scab Flamer from x3 to x2
Dreg Grenadier from x3 to x2
Scab Grenadier from x3 to x2
Mutant from x3 to x2.5